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Posts by Xristosx
If i wanted to check if someone had cleared and they were lying to me i would just check their achievements. Since there is a achievement for the first clear atleast.
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While those people were being assholes still maybe you shouldn't accuse people right off the bat that their cheating. There are legitimate ways to find out people haven't done something.
I originally thought it was going to be mid january but now i doubt it since EME hasn't given any information at all.
Im leaning towards the 30th because they "technically" arent breaking the promise of january like they did last time with the promise of the RKHM patch being november(november 30th it was released).
StarSprite wrote: »
Xristosx wrote: »
What im talking about is the future of vanguards because it would be very short sighted to only think of January.
Spacecats wrote: »
Beyond this weekend, we're going to leave this event on for the remainder of the month (ending on January 30). Starting in February

They are looking beyond January. They're just also being a bit vague about what the future plans are. Maybe they'll take it as an opportunity to run the double gear xp, tera rewards, and other vg related events. It is clear that they dont intend to keep the 2x vg rewards up all the time anymore so not knocking your feedback about that, just pointing out it's being replaced with something.

It's more that im worried because EME doesnt have a good track record of constantly keeping things to up to date, see us having to remind them every single patch to fix vanguards and NA specific things.So i can see them doing something in February and maybe march and then forgetting about the events entirely and then we'll be stuck with half the vanguard rewards for the rest of the time.
HK6Y6XXHJ6 wrote: »
Are you not happy with the double pop/gg drop? Oh man. They’re adjusting after celebrating the new year. They are working on adjusting things of that sort. You have too high of a standard.
Not once in the entire post did i mention Pit of petrax or ghillie. Their fine. What im talking about is the future of vanguards because it would be very short sighted to only think of January.
They made a post discussing vgs with the community which is good, now this is my feedback. Other people can feel free to tell me im wrong or offer their own suggestions.

Besides
"On an unrelated note, we’ll also be running a double drop event this weekend in Ghillieglade and Pit of Petrax. The specifics of these events will be announced in a news post shortly."
It was a unrelated note so i didn't mention it until you did now HK6Y6XXHJ6
So what your saying is now were gonna get less stuff overall. How is this beneficial at all and how is this supposed to be a improvement? We didn't get the best drops in dungeons and now you want to reduce vanguard rewards? Scheduled dungeons just forces people to play that specific dungeon if they want to get the same rewards that we used to. I could understand if you kept our usual double amount and then added stuff on top of it, but why this?
What kind of improvement are you going to bring with jackpot dungeons? Will they actually have really useful stuff? like say giving 3-4 gold nocts or 3-4 strong braveries/canophoras or 3x gear exp or something along those lines. Because it'll have to be a actual good increase in rewards if your going to justify reducing something like that. You cant just throw in something like hey extra dragon scales or something.

Also on the topic of vg rewards, what ever happened to RKHM's vanguard with metamorphic tokens, Every other region rewards 4500 metamorphics(Yes EU and RU as well as korea) each clear and we have the base stuff in NA. Why is that? Why is NA getting less stuff then the grindy Korean counterpart? They had this since the start of the patch as well so its not a later thing.
Yamazuki wrote: »
Those who even asked for permanent CCB originally were a minority too. Most are unaware what happens in other regions, and before it was known permanent CCBs could be added when was it asked for? Never. Common requests were nocs, braveries, etc added to the bar. The only change permanent ccb did that was asked was the removal of the bubble.
From an objective perspective, the true decision that should not have happened was adding the permanent ccb before consulting BHS about the fact the achievements wouldn't be completed as long as you were Elite. We only got it because a minority group complained another region had it, this would be the mistake.
I never asked for it, but since we got it randomly it was a nice change, what annoyed me was the giving and then subsequent removal of it because they didnt take time to think hey what would this do, who would this effect, will people like it?
Yamazuki wrote: »
Their thought process wasn't explained, and unfortunately I can't read minds. I can't think of a reason to choose 3 over 12, or why care if CCBs are flooded considering they have zero gold value on NA anyways. Then again, knowledge on the value of items is something they need to work on.
Yeah knowledge of the value of items which...someone who plays the game would know... you know something they probably should have people in the company do like they used to with Tonka, Minea and Treeshark. Has anyone actually seen any of the EME staff playing the game on a regular basis? With the exception of spacecat's occasional fraywind canyons and the streams which are 95% hey here's our new costume. i mean for gods sakes the last time i saw him do a dungeon stream(which was over a year ago) he went into the wonderholme dungeon with full relentless(instead of hardy) and wondered why he was dying when its almost the first thing you would know while playing the game while a bunch of people were baffled in chat.
Starkhoe wrote: »
See, as a costumer myself, I feel that my needs are the only ones that matter. Because in my mind, you, the player council, the EME staff, is here to cater my own needs in various shapes and forms, and even seemingly good Samaritans like yourself also play an important part, because you can complain over things for me. Every tool has a use, and I can selectively disregard any opinion or remark which does not serve my interests. Same goes for people that seem overly bias, and SJW`s that sprout nonsense just for sake of coming out as "caring". Can you see my point? 120% selfishness. There is no need to put up this act, just own it.
Well since your a costumer your needs for the game are actually handled pretty well as they release costumes for the game every couple of weeks or so, so you have pretty regular content and your needs are met.
I am a person that actually plays the game and i was seeing effects from the change with all the people i was playing with that i knew and people who i didnt know. But we can just shut down any negative criticism if you want and instead let the entire forums be a echo chamber.
Starkhoe wrote: »
And... you seem to be making a big deal over nothing. The CCB thing isn`t a big deal imo, and paying for Elite with real money is on you.
It is a big deal if we keep allowing them to take things away, it sets a precedent that the community will blindly follow their decisions. As some people have said in other places. You give a publisher a inch and they'll take a mile, they'll keep pushing the boundaries of whats allowed.
Yeah you're also right i shouldn't pay elite with real money, people instead can just keep buying random 30 day elite vouchers off the broker that someone probably bought with a stolen credit card. My point when i mention i actually pay with real money to the game is i'm actively supporting the game. If there weren't people willing to pay for elite or any other thing in the store the game would die from all the people freeloading off it.
Starkhoe wrote: »
Xristosx wrote: »
I'm not saying I'm more important

That is exactly what you are saying though. You're just sugar coating that with a long rational to appeal to the wider audience, making a "stand" as it were, but mostly for you're own sake. And, no, I don`t have a problem with that. I respect it. Though you might as well admit it, at this point. To me it seems like you're just trying argue. Which is cool, I love reading other peoples arguments. But yours seems abit over the top, and overly self righteous. Then again, I suppose staffs member wouldn't tell you that to you're face, to keep up cretin appearances.

It's called me being tired of being silent on problems EME creates, they have shown in the past 3 years of me playing that they are only reactionary and do what they please even if its harmful to the community until a mass outbreak of complaints happens. This is why i have a very specific attitude. I don't like arguing for the sake of arguing, but there's a point you need to stand up for yourself.
I'm not one to normally put forth my opinion as i usually like to stay quiet so forgive me if my ramblings aren't very palatable.
I guess i'll stop soon and just go back to being a quiet player until EME cause's another problem that they made because they don't play the game.
1. Gear exp increase seems reasonable considering its a new gear system and we should change things for the new style of gearing
2. Elite gift box is honestly fine, its not meant to give you a lot, its just mean for a small little nice stuff each day. Honestly would irritate me to get random cosmetics that i dont like or need and what they could put for it is probably bad anyway.
3. Npc scrolls are nice but honestly not needed, you can get them fairly easily from fashion coupons if you really need one.
4. The gold boost has been fairly useless yeah, especially since they removed gold loot in most open world areas back in the middle of 2015(which they changed felicity to a gold collecting pet called nugget at that time and the community got pretty angry about that since it was really poor timing lol) https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/Changes-made-without-notification?page=1
5. We get one potion of each every day from elite and they drop fairly frequently in events so i think their currently fine. Just a tip as well wintera is dropping 3x Strong braveries or 5x canephoras as a jackpot, i've gotten a fair bit of them the past week or so wintera has been out. Try it out its fun too.
6. Nocts would be nice but i think that might be over doing it, honestly i think they just need them to drop a little more in general in dungeons, the amount we get is kinda low, maybe double noct drops in the vanguard at the minimum.

If were on the topic of elite stuff
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100% questers gold boost is almost useless during leveling and only really kinda useful from 60-65 story quests, past that its not used so its only useful for about 5 hours of play for every character you ever level, provided story quests 60-65 are done which usually they arent after the first time because people just level from the dungeon now.
100% reputation boost is a useful term honestly because almost all of the rep stores are gone now. The only use now is the vanguard points, so might want to change it to just double vanguard credit rewards.
Daily bonus quest increase is what, a thing from back in level 60? We don't do those kinds of dailies any more. Though if this could be transfered instead to vanguard cap maybe might be useful.
Also might want to change the text for the 24 x 3 hour ccbs and put list the permanent one.

Just make sure that elite stays relevant to the current year and patch and i don't think there will be complaints, but I'm mostly happy with it besides the above things.
iLucky wrote: »
Just want to point out that we (player council) weren't asked either. Not to mention we aren't the deciding factor for what EME publishes and what they don't. When I saw the patch notes; I was just as upset as the majority of the community. I do agree there are many player council members who do not play or are very inactive, but don't forget the ones that do and are still trying to do our best for the community. We try to represent the community and bring your concerns to EME. Although, sometimes that process is harder than it seems due to the large amount of tasks EME has on their list.
There is a problem with a player council for a game when most of them dont play, but i do appreciate the ones that do try to make a difference such as yourself but my counter point is theres still ones that seem to not have the community in mind and are just there to try and quiet the community.
iLucky wrote: »
When you try to help and then see a post like this playing down an actual win based on community / player council interactions, it doesn't encourage that to happen again. This was possible (and very quickly I might add) due to the interactions between player council and EME that would have taken a lot longer if there was no player council. If you have any doubts, check who made the thread that had 20 pages of replies that helped lead to this situation that is perfectly described as a win win win. For achievement hunters, elite players, and EME.
Yes i'm aware you made that thread i posted a few times in it and thank you for making it, But also i would of made a thread as well if you hadn't, just by the time i was going to make a thread on it you had already started one and there was no real point spamming more threads.
Yamazuki wrote: »
Xristosx wrote: »
Good, thank you very much for the actual change back.
But please EME next time actually ask the community(the player council isnt the community when 80% of them dont play the game anymore) when your making a change that effects people, You might realise something is a bad mistake and avoid getting people pissed off.

Forum users=/=community either. The change was based on people submitting tickets stating they couldn't finish achievements. To say you're more important than they are would be silly.

Your somewhat right that Forum users=/=community but just for me personally if there's no issue with the game i don't really post on the forum, i only go to the forum to express my discontent with a issue that has arisen. If there's no problems i wont be on the forums I'll actually be playing the game. Now how many people who didn't like the change didn't speak up and instead just went and removed their elite instead? I feel like its better to discuss something before we go straight for the mass elite removal. Because i really do like this game i just don't like poor decisions, i would of stopped paying with real money for my elite a long time ago if i didn't like it. I'm not saying I'm more important but i don't want everyone to silently accept a change when it's for the worse instead of for the better, that's how we let the game get to a bad state if we constantly keep accepting this.

While i agree that it isn't fair that they locked it out initially, honestly how many people in terms of the people who play the game who buy elite liked losing their CCB so they could get the achievement percentage wise, maybe 1% at most? These decisions like removing the permanent ccb shouldn't happened in the first place, they could of just apologized and said sorry were looking for a solution for the achievement and then did the solution a week later or two, But hey lets say they did cut off the permanent CCB like they did, what i didn't get is why they decided to not put a bunch of 12 hour CCB's as the temp solutions like it baffles me to no end why they seemed adamant in not giving us 12 hours and instead 3 hours when 12 hour CCB is the norm in game, it wasn't even a threat to the economy of the game. It was like they wanted to say hey we have access to different versions of a item they haven't seen maybe they'll feel special if we have access to looking up different item codes to make it seem like they have a lot of control over the game. I would of been fine with 12 hour CCB's, i wouldn't of complained as much.
So, we good?
Yes were good for now, but since were catering to the minority like the achievement hunters, could you look into changing the title for RKEM for the minority of title hunters in the game
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/19386/obligatory-patchly-discussion-about-the-hm-gold-title-name/p1
There was a feedback thread on it and it never got responded to.
Remember this back with the FIHM patch that tried to use a pun as the title name completely unrelated to the dungeon at hand, seems like a really weird lore title if its called nightmare trainer.
https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/FIHM-Achievement

Edit: Guess my post was removed from editing it too much so this is a repost
Good, thank you very much for the actual change back.
tisnotme wrote: »
And those that have had elite for ever on a cheep deal that wants this on their Elin gunner or any new alt they just made loose their elite cheap price all costs you just say screw all no compromise for any others just this way , I don't know how any of your managed prier to the short time this was made perm

We managed fine because we were using 12 hour ones, but since they gave us permanent we stopped paying attention to our CCBs, but now that they've removed it we have to get back into the habit of remembering to pop the 12 hour ccbs and were losing a lot of crystals now because of it. I'm of the firm belief that we shouldn't be happy with a change when its objectively worse than what we had or they'll think it's the norm and keep downgrading things while maintaining the same damn price, which i have been paying with real money for the damn past 3 years. I canceled it once to make a point back in the producer letter in 2016 January and i'm considering it now to make a damn point now if they keep doing this [filtered]. Imagine if they took away our permanent nostrum and instead gave us 144 nostrums, they justified it with its 72 hours worth of nostrum each day! Theres no way you could go through it, if we gave you unlimited you would ask for double the power effect nostrum!
People shouldn't be alright with this, elite is a paid service and you should feel better for using it, not have items that are far worse than the easily accessable ones.
mollyya wrote: »
For 200+ ping players, S attack is impossible to dodge without that 3rd party program telling them earlier.

I have 250ms ping and i have like 55+ clears of rkem, I can dodge it without being told earlier. After the double clap the half second he moves one of his hands you can almost immediately tell which side it's going to be on. Sometimes i do get caught out because i was stuck in the middle of a attack when it started but besides that i can do it, i just sometimes have to back off to ensure ill do it in time.
Discussion not closed yet ? :o

Because it's a ongoing issue, there's no point closing it other wise that's basically silencing people who want it changed to something better. Which i don't think that would make people happy.

But it appears I'm the only one who thinks the change was absolutely ridiculous to make something worse....unless other people want to speak up.
I still stand by nothing being wrong with putting 12 hour ones in. since it was the standard in the game.
Just an FYI, this topic was discussed in the end of today's stream. They said they're hoping to get a toggle, but BHS has to do it.

Still wasn't a solution at all, 12 hour would of rectified that atleast. when they said it was 72 hours worth it was pointless.I haven't used the 3 hour once and its taking up a extra space on my screen now and it's serving as a constant reminder to me of EME's incompetence while i pop my 12 hour ones i luckly still kept.
I dont think they actually want people to be happy with this temp fix otherwise they wouldn't of done it.
The fact that they refused to put 12 hour CCB's on the bar in large quantities and instead decided that it was some how better to put a bunch of crystal binds that are 1/4 effective of our normal one means they have a severe lack of understanding. Because the 12 hour one still is a better temp solution. I dont get why we get a [filtered] crystal bind.
And for the love of god do not tell me 1 day elite people will abuse it because yeah sure it totally is the most lucrative thing ever, freaking the economy will go completely out of balance if we had 12 hour ccb's on the bar.

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I left some room above this text when i can think of something positive about this change.


nope cant think of anything. i'll be back to update this in 2019 if i find something positive by then
Xristosx wrote: »
Obs wrote: »
How about leaving it alone until BHS can make a change?
It just encourages anyone who really wants these achievements to cancel their Elite subscriptions because it's otherwise impossible to get them due to EME's decision to provide the CCB benefit in the previous way. Which is not a solution any business would accept as a viable option, whether that's what we might suggest or not.

It encourages people who want you guys to change it back to permanent to cancel their elite subscriptions

Counting me as "you guys" is pointless. The only reason I'm trying to explain all this [filtered] is in the hopes of understanding the arguments and proposing a better compromise, if one exists. Quitting over a benefit we went 5 1/2 years without given the compromise presented seems a bit much to me, but if you feel that strongly about it, you should quit and be sure to tell them exactly why. Maybe they could use that as leverage with BHS to put a real solution in place that isn't a workaround. Everyone agrees that the toggle would be better as a permanent solution.

I count you are "you guys" because you are part of EME or if you dont want to say that then, your apart of the player council. I've had the game since launch but i've only been playing the past 3 years and the entire time we had 12 hour CCB in abundance, so why is 3 hour ccb's the solution? How is that a perk of elite, its like having a perk that gives you double the amount of gold drops and then removing gold drops from everything.... oh wait i forgot that happened 2 years ago and we still have double gold drops as a completely useless perk, but once again im glad eme is constantly tweaking elite to better suit their problems.
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Why this elite perk has to be renewed every three hours?? What is the point of it then? Its worse than 12 hr.

Basically because one-day promo Elite is a thing, and they don't want people to use promo elite to get free 12-hour CCB on every one of their alts across all servers. If it could expire when the subscription expires, that'd obviously be another story.
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I'm sorry what....did you read what you typed, Who in their right mind would be using elite just to get "free" 12 hour CCB's on all their alts.. what you can farm like one in a few minutes, I seriously doubt someone got one day elite for CCB's, you know what people would of got elite for? for a permanent ccb. Its called QoL things. Why bother having a travel journal/village atlas, you can technically teleport to all the cities in the game you just need a scroll, or maybe we should also change it to 24 travel journals and 24 village atlases every day, why not put a 3 hour mount as the elite daily thing, or why not have only 1 free ghillie scroll.
The real issue is that we were given something and everyone was happy with it and now you decided the best plan of action was taking it away and giving us a worse solution and thought we would be fine with that? What is this madness. Like theres been some decisions in the past thats annoyed me, but this takes the cake. This is such a lack of understanding of the game.
Obs wrote: »
How about leaving it alone until BHS can make a change?
It just encourages anyone who really wants these achievements to cancel their Elite subscriptions because it's otherwise impossible to get them due to EME's decision to provide the CCB benefit in the previous way. Which is not a solution any business would accept as a viable option, whether that's what we might suggest or not.

It encourages people who want you guys to change it back to permanent to cancel their elite subscriptions
Can we get a definitive list of broken and unable to be completed achievements, since their on the path of fixing achievements because their so concerned about it, i think we should compile it and get EME to fix it next week. Because achievements seem to be a big concern of yours. Like how the title achievement hunters still have to deal with the stupid name NIGHTMARE TRAINER that makes absolutely no sense at all. But please keep making more terrible things, you need something to do to make it look like you guys are actually doing something in the office each day.
Spacecats wrote: »
Why should everyone else who wanted the permanent crystalbind be punished for the ignorance of others?

This definitely isn't intended as any sort of punishment. This method has a single downside vs. the perma-buff, and that's having to click the Elite bar once every few hours of play. I won't argue that having to click a thing is more convenient vs. not having to click a thing, but it's a solution that doesn't punish anyone looking to complete game content that should be available to everybody.

How is something normally permanently on then being changed to not permanently on and requiring constant input not a punishment? Do you actually play the game longer than 1-2 hours a week? I was happy when we got the permanent but now you guys have to remove it and your toting it as a solution to a problem that we should praise you guys when it is causing a inconvenience for 99% of the player base.
If were catering to the 0.1% of the player base then, how about we also buff the RKEM drops since their crap, or how about RKEM doesnt give any metamorphic tokens despite KTERA giving out 4k tokens each clear(how is NA getting worse drops then the grindier version of tera?), or letsee another minor problem why does RKHM give the same gear exp as RKNM and TRHM? When it requires far more effort than those 2 dungeons.
Another thing to mention i stayed logged into the game longer because i didn't need to care about ccb, but not since it'll be 3 hours ill have to close the game so i don't accidentally forget next time i log on and immediately break a crystal.
Well this is player feed back if this forum shows anything. So keep the old changes or people will see it like this.
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Xristosx wrote: »
Either put unlimited 12 hour ones on the bar or give us back the permanent. Because your 3 hour solution isn't a solution, its a band-aid to a problem YOU GUYS CREATED. So stop creating problems just to fix it and say hey were the good guys look. Because thats a [filtered] business practice, You lose your players trust over time and as im sure your aware of us "salty" old players, we keep losing more and more trust every day. Eventually it'll pop.

This broker business is a gross over-reaction that will be corrected once the patch hits -- it's just people taking advantage of FUD. You'll have 24 3-hour ones on the bar per server, so there is not enough time in the day for it to run out. Even if your account had 18 characters on the server, they could each get one 3-hour CCB and have 6 leftover. The people doing this flipping are just hoping that people haven't paid attention and only got so far as "they're turning off permanent CCB" to spin their excess CCB before everyone realizes what's going on.

It's too bad there wasn't an option to "short" items on the broker somehow, because I guarantee this will come back crashing down.

(Source: Updated patch notes)

First of all if you read my post i was well aware of the 24 x 3 hour crystal binds since i actually mentioned it in the part of the post you didn't quote. Now 3 hour crystal binds (im not gonna call it a complete one because that is a disservice to it) are going to be frustrating for ALOT of players who play the game because people will forget to put them on and will constantly break crystals and everytime that happens they will remember that EME took away their ability to have a permanent CCB and that will build ire with people.
Having to update you ccb regularly is stupid when the norm for the past 3 years of playing tera was using 12 hour CCB's that we didnt have to refresh that often, rewind to recently we were given permament ones which was a actual nice addition to elite and now they are putting a inferior version in the name of helping 3 achievement hunters in the entire game?
If people wanted to get the achievement that badly they would of waited for their elite to run out, do the achievement then pop elite back on 10 minutes later. This work around that EME has proposed is literally the worst thing they could of done bar removing it. Why does it have to be 1 step forward and 30 steps back with the damn company.
Not to mention achievement hunters are freaking used to waiting hours for spawns, what makes you think waiting 12 hours for a ccb to finish would be so damn difficult. So at the damn minimum we should be given 12 hour CCBs x 24 AT THE MINIMUM. IF achievement hunters are really the cause of this and not some behind the scenes insidious thing.
The broker was just a side affect thing. But it shows what players know more than some people running this stuff.
Hey @Spacecats @Denommenator Look what your changes have already done
Since you made it
"To unblock elite status players from gaining the "Imperfect Crystals" and "Ideal Crystals" achievements, we have changed how we deliver Crystalbinding to those players:

We have added (24) Complete Veteran Crystalbinds (3 hour) to the Elite Status Perks skillbar."

People are now bought out all the cheap ccbs because they are actually useful and are listing it as rediculous prices
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Either put unlimited 12 hour ones on the bar or give us back the permanent. Because your 3 hour solution isn't a solution, its a band-aid to a problem YOU GUYS CREATED. So stop creating problems just to fix it and say hey were the good guys look. Because thats a [filtered] business practice, You lose your players trust over time and as im sure your aware of us "salty" old players, we keep losing more and more trust every day. Eventually it'll pop.
You guys chose to change that of all things when there are different problems that people complain about on a daily basis. Why would you even do that i liked not having to bother constantly putting on a CCB and now you revert this nice change? Put it back the F on seriously. what is wrong with EME. Since when did they care about the 5 people that cared about their achievement points? What is the point of elite if your removing good features
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"better suit our problems" Yeah the one you just created, good thing you listen to elite players. You could of posted a thread saying hey guys were thinking about changing crystal binds back just to help achievement hunters, what do you guys think? the players of the game, the ones who actually play the game and know what goes on instead of the little bubble you guys sit in and not understand how your damn game works. Change it the f back.
streetdog wrote: »
For some reason my last post was deleted??
If you dont want to rewrite your post you can find it on the teradev tracker website
Xristosx wrote: »
For that wonderholme server example. I can imagine the amount of effort that would of went into changing the value of exp rate increase(which is a normal server event), turning on hyper rapid fire(which is a semi regular server event) and updating that one shop in the entire server.

The IT staff configuring the server infrastructure in a different cloud environment, and putting systems in place to gather and evaluate the test metrics to measure server and datacenter performance, was the real work there. Of course nobody cares about the behind the scenes stuff, but sometimes that's what actually makes something a lot of work.

No i care about the behind the scenes stuff, but only if its a benefit to the community, it is nice to evaluate the server and performance so you can better the other servers but i haven't seen anything like that since the servers performance overall is pretty poor the past year. I cant imagine they would of got a lot of data for the performance when the test server was almost dead after the initial 6-10 hours because there was still crappy leveling speed still and bad rewards so there was no incentive for a lot of people to hang around. People want fun things to do. Not monotonous boring things.It was a chance to do something special and make people have a glimmer of joy but it wasn't taken past that point.
For that wonderholme server example. I can imagine the amount of effort that would of went into changing the value of exp rate increase(which is a normal server event), turning on hyper rapid fire(which is a semi regular server event) and updating that one shop in the entire server RvJjavH.jpg. That would of taken months of planning i can tell. Honestly i would of been racking my brain over that. Not to mention summoning bams occasionally that dropped salt as a joke even though the items and characters were going to be wiped, wouldn't want to throw the economy out of balance in a test server. But you know that EU server is giving people heaps of stuff AND they are allowed to transfer one character. but what do i know, i've only been playing the game for 3 years.
Im 100% fine with the current wintera rewards, i normally wouldn't touch this event more than once but since it has the S Braveries, S Canophora and the nocts im running it. Not everyone thinks the rewards are useless, as a end game player i regularly use those sorts of consumables and find them really useful. If you end up just giving us more useless wintera tokens i'll just decide to stop running it, unless you make S Braveries and S Canophora only cost 1-2 tokens each in the token store at the very least. Any higher cost would be rediculous.
Dont worry next year we'll probably have regulations for lootboxes and you wont get shafted by lootboxes. Except tera probably wont survive if loot boxes get regulated.
So can we get a answer on this? It seems they constantly go out of their way to come up with the worst names.
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On top of this laziness to get a proper title name they also didn't even name the boss properly. Why the hell is the boss called "RK-9 Kennel (Hard)"? Did you guys decide to throw out the normal Nightmare <boss name> naming convention? Because if you did that on purpose it might be less damming
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oh wait the other bosses in the dungeon have the nightmare prefix, HMMMM.
Get on top of actually doing the job of translating the patch properly and actually translate the title name properly instead of making some random as name that doesn't make sense. What the hell is a nightmare trainer? Do we train nightmares?

This Is the specific section where he mentions it for anyone who's not informed, just watch 3 minutes of that.

From what i'm led to believe is that the drop amount won't significantly increase like it has in the past, he said something that has a low chance to drop will increase the chance of it dropping(like say if a diamond only dropped 10% of the time it'll drop 30% of the time now), they didn't say the amount of drops will change(So we were technically lied to when promised triple drop on the extra life rewards), which i find really really disheartening when the amount of drops we need are a lot more this patch versus previous patches(like last patch we needed 10-20 of each material to make a vm piece but now we need 1-15 of certain mats per enchant attempt).
Why was this changed to be worse when it's been the same for the past 5 years, I know the gear enchant system has been completely overhauled but once again we need more dungeon materials then ever before.
I feel like people haven't complained about the drops as much because were all still using our tokens we've converted from previous patches materials, but once that dries up things will go to hell.
Just for reference i am in stormcry +7 and +8 but i can't imagine how much a new player would have to grind to even get to frostmetal +9.
JXE5356AKE wrote: »
Xristosx wrote: »
Spacecats wrote: »
Hyper-Fire-Turbo-Time is definitely unlocked, along with overworld BAMs to test your heightened skills against. Nov 17-20 looks like it's going to be an awesome weekend for TERA players.

Looking forward to being annoyed by sorcerers who are literally invincible and spam hailstorm to kill people and lag them out because their warp barrier cool down is nonexistant with hyperfire, unless you can disable pvp during those times so we can actually do the bams properly?

Hell yea. PVP on PVP server for fun. I'm down for the mess.

What part of literally invulnerable dont you understand.
Spacecats wrote: »
Hyper-Fire-Turbo-Time is definitely unlocked, along with overworld BAMs to test your heightened skills against. Nov 17-20 looks like it's going to be an awesome weekend for TERA players.

Looking forward to being annoyed by sorcerers who are literally invincible and spam hailstorm to kill people and lag them out because their warp barrier cool down is nonexistant with hyperfire, unless you can disable pvp during those times so we can actually do the bams properly?
Thank you so much, i really love delays, Everyone should stop shitting on EME, They are the best, they give us a chance to go and play other games and not actually play tera.
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where we'll get to open tera in the background while we afk for rewards and not actually play the game.
But yeah as a few other people said, This is almost as bad as the Forsaken Island patch where they wanted to elongate the patch by delaying the hell out of main HM release where it was to the point where we only had the hard mode about for 2 months.
Digivolve wrote: »
November 14th

Ooo where did you see this? :open_mouth:

Anyone who plays the game enough knows how they work their schedules.
It's most likely November 14th because its a month after the arsenal patch came out and also when the kyra's catalyst event ends.
So it's a pretty safe bet. It's also most likely when RKHM comes out.
Hey the prizes seem to be pretty bad and useless cosmetics this time around(unless we can pick only the consumables like last time), if i save my catalysts this time will i be able to use them next event?
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Still works?
Hey guess its this time again, @seandynamite @Spacecats @Denommenator Can you please update the vanguards to give reward points, you seem to have forgotten to do it again this patch, remember how theres NA specific changes your supposed to do as a job each patch?
Hey while i normally would like to rag on Tera for lag because they are to blame 99% of the time, i just wanted to check this for you incase this is it, you mentioned you used discord while playing tera. Awhile back i was having a really weird spike issue with tera only lag spiked with weird packet loss issues, turns out a option on discord was causing me grief. Is this setting turned on for you on discord?
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If it is, turn it off like i have in this picture, it might help. Because this issue started happening to me when i had switched isps and they gave me a different router. But this fixed it for me.
JasonTERA wrote: »
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easier version for comparison, FYI.

Wow..KTERA had more keybadges than NA..KTERA pvp was not dead even without jackpot. :thinking:

Thank you, i wanted to do that but i was too lazy, adding it to the main post.
Catservant wrote: »
Blessed and Noble Enigmatic Scrolls seem to be listed twice, and Noble has two different values.

Unless I'm missing something...

Tradable and non tradable
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/17969/tera-na-dismantling-exchange-rates

Eme just responded to what the conversion rates will be next patch and i believe that most of those conversion rates are abysmally low and completely invalidates all the work people have put into their accounts over the years as the rates barely give you anything unless the shops also have reduced prices which i doubt. How do you think people who have stuck with your game feel about this change? When i talk about rates im not even just talking about the semis(Which were pretty high in the first place) im talking about all the others in general. Those rates are just [filtered] in general, heres kteras rates im pretty sure
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Now Eme you think you know what your doing but you dont, If you basically restart this for grind for everyone, no one has any more reason to stay if you know of something called the sunk cost falacy. But sure whatever i'm sure kritika and closers will definitely make up for that right. ;)
The mods should really stop unpinning this thread, This issue is still ongoing. Stop trying to hide that fact.
CornishRex wrote: »
Isn't this just shinra meter tho, I mean it looks the same
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https://www.facebook.com/nexontera/videos/2012797118734305/

I just came across this post on the ktera facebook page, it has a really neat video of a player doing Ghillieglade.
BHS seems to be showing off the new dps meter that they were developing, it looks really robust. Eme should try and get a hold of it for us.
Been getting large amounts of latency spikes and what seems to be packet loss the past few weeks which is making the game very unplayable at times. Also no it isn't my internet because every other game i play online isn't affected by it. I'm even using wtfast to try and get a better route but its not helping.
People can potentially suggest skill rotations and what not for higher latency builds, but whatever people can suggest, it will not compare to a low ping player. This game relies so heavily on ping that high ping players lose out so bad. A higher ping player(say 250+ms) most likely does 15-25% less dps than a 1-50ms player. So its not optimal and honestly it will cause issues in hard fights with dps checks on shields and stuff.

So if your a newcomer with high ping and haven't invested much, i'd say avoid the game if possible. It's not worth getting into to deal with the heart aches of dying to some mechanics because you have less time to react to a mechanic then low ping players, you'll do worse dps because of the games heavy reliance on skills that combo one after each other because the game has no skill queueing in any form in the vanilla game so skills come out very chunky and slow. You have to iframe and dodge much earlier and have to know a mechanic coming ahead of time but with recent bosses that ktera is designing they are making them more reliant on a players reactionary speed rather than learning specific patterns (Mainly because they balance the game around ktera players which have 5-20ms at most).

I'm a zerk player with 300-400ms (because of "recent" server fuckery the past "10 months") which goes down to 230-280 with wtfast. So this is coming from a high ping player with experience. So once again avoid the game if you have the chance while your fresh. It's not worth it.
This update will feature the return of Manglemire and Akeron's Inferno (Hard Mode). It will also feature some class balancing adjustments and some miscellaneous fixes/adjustments.
Can't wait for Akeron's Inferno (Hard Mode) to return. I've been pretty bored with running the Akeron's Inferno (Hard Mode) we currently have in game. So i hope this new Akeron's Inferno (Hard Mode) is the most Akeron's Inferno (Hard Mode) that it can be, otherwise i'll judge it pretty harshly to the Akeron's Inferno (Hard Mode) in this current patch.
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Or maybe you guys should stop reading patch notes off like a teleprompter from ktera and actually give a poop about your game and actually write what's in the game. I think that it is very Kritikal for you to care about your games other wise it might be closers to losing a fan base over every single mistake that keeps happening, which might translate to other future games.
Seems like this was quietly unpinned from the first page even though this is still a issue. Same thing that always happens, you let people forget probably because half the people who were affected by this issue probably left and reduced the stress on the servers so it can seem like it was "fixed". Just making a post here so i can remember to reference this post the next time this issue comes up again in a month or two's time, so eventually maybe they'll be some rammifications, Carry on.
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I think they meant Peer to Peer, but that wouldn't really help much as some peoples internet is pretty unstable and unable to host multiple players.
HH 20 should be coming in the next 2-4 weeks and i'm not looking forward to how these servers are going to handle that again even if its 10 less people per instance.
Is there any ETA on switching back to zayo? Tera is more or less unplayable for me on savvis, and I'm only four hours from the server..
Generally there isn't, last time they did this, it'll probably be another 6 months of "lag mechanic" HH before they revert back after HH gets removed.
Another work around is just use the money you would normally pay for Elite subscription with and instead buy a wtfast(or any other routing providers) subscription. since that might fix some of the routing issues i hear that EME would definitely support, since the money doesn't actually go to NA Tera's servers as its been painfully obvious the last 8 months when the "Servers were infact upgraded"
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/102078/#Comment_102078
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So once again please tell us how these problems have been happening since "May" or is being quiet and hoping it blows over again the PR solution.
Yup as people said ping has increased significantly
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So yeah, not really giving me any incentive to play. Didn't play during the afk event because of the insane lag and now i just have insane lag in general.
So savvis is [filtered].
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I did a quick bad photoshop putting the a gunners gun over the image and yeah they are very similar with a few minor differences.
Its a Elin gunner
Reposting this here since you closed my thread even though it was talking about lag the entire 8 months we've had it as opposed to the lag we've had directed at "May" only


Okay so this seems to be a very regular occurrence so im gonna chime in again even. You guys just switched to savvis about 20-30 minutes ago and now ping has increased and its horrible.
I said in the past that it doesn't help besides a few people (yes even people in america it makes it worse for them) and EME keeps switching them in hopes of fixing the lag, Your recent post stating sorry theres been lag issues since may is very wrong and misleading to anyone whose a newer player from the past few months,
Heres a reference for people who dont know
November October 2016
http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/network-outages-compensation
January 2017
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/10943/megathread-lag-issues-and-what-to-do/p1
March 2017
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/12239/mt-tons-of-lag-in-harrowold#latest
April 2017
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/13485/regarding-the-lag/p1
Here in "may" 2017
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/16021/status-update-and-community-call-to-action-regarding-recent-increase-in-lag-related-incidents#latest
If anyone searches any more they'll find heaps more threads unless they were removed.
We've been having lag since 8 months ago back in november last year when you switched to savvis originally to try and fix a [filtered] login server issue, so you gave us a crappy server with savvis almost the entire HH patch while in savvis people repeatedly complained that it was spiking horribly and made repeated jokes about lag being a mechanic of HH, So with HH coming back very soon you want to mess with people again by savvis turned on when HH20 returns which will be more difficult and you know how frustrated people will be when they lag because of the server and constantly wipe their runs through no fault of their own?
I said it last time and ill say it again switching back and forth between the two savvis and zayo does not fix the root of the problem. This will only bring more problems i said last time i'm sick of it and with how this patch is turning out with slow [filtered] bosses with extremely buffed endurance i'm getting bored real fast and this isn't helping.

Oh and i encourage more people to speak up with this and make more threads so they know this is a problem
Okay so this seems to be a very regular occurrence so im gonna chime in again even. You guys just switched to savvis about 20-30 minutes ago and now ping has increased and its horrible.
I said in the past that it doesn't help besides a few people (yes even people in america it makes it worse for them) and EME keeps switching them in hopes of fixing the lag, Your recent post stating sorry theres been lag issues since may is very wrong and misleading to anyone whose a newer player from the past few months,
Heres a reference for people who dont know
November October
http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/network-outages-compensation
January
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/10943/megathread-lag-issues-and-what-to-do/p1
March
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/12239/mt-tons-of-lag-in-harrowold#latest
April
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/13485/regarding-the-lag/p1
Here in "may"
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/16021/status-update-and-community-call-to-action-regarding-recent-increase-in-lag-related-incidents#latest
If anyone searches any more they'll find heaps more threads unless they were removed.
We've been having lag since 8 months ago back in november last year when you switched to savvis originally to try and fix a [filtered] login server issue, so you gave us a crappy server with savvis almost the entire HH patch while in savvis people repeatedly complained that it was spiking horribly and made repeated jokes about lag being a mechanic of HH, So with HH coming back very soon you want to mess with people again by savvis turned on when HH20 returns which will be more difficult and you know how frustrated people will be when they lag because of the server and constantly wipe their runs through no fault of their own?
I said it last time and ill say it again switching back and forth between the two savvis and zayo does not fix the root of the problem. This will only bring more problems i said last time i'm sick of it and with how this patch is turning out with slow [filtered] bosses with extremely buffed endurance i'm getting bored real fast and this isn't helping.

Oh and i encourage more people to speak up with this and make more threads so they know this is a problem
Xristosx wrote: »
But one still remains EME still needs to put reward points in NEW dungeons.

Actually they mentioned here that that is being fixed next week as well. (Would have been nice if it was caught first, considering it's been mentioned repeatedly... but we'll take it.)

Oh my bad, well that's great. Glad it's going to be finally fixed. Lets hope that next major patch these sorta things are caught right away, but its probably asking too much.
It was nice to see EME did actually do some of the changes that were often overlooked so i checkmarked what they did with a ✓. A forgotten one i forgot to add to the list was the IMS only dungeon stuff but i think that was getting fixed next maint(as usual..). But one still remains EME still needs to put reward points in NEW dungeons.
Currently only IOD(island of dawn) BAMS and 3 battle grounds get reward points. DF and DFHM get reward points but no one really runs it because its two patches old(and its been made clear by what happened with the anniversary tokens that it also is a bad idea to just leave things on DF). The reward points were supposed to be given to "loyal" tera players back when it was released, but since the system has almost been forgotten by EME they dont update it to give points for relevant dungeons. It should be given out in VHNM/HM, VSNM/HM(when released) and even BRNM and TSNM. It doesn't make sense to not include these unless they have completely given up on the system.
@Halrath @Geletron @Spacecats

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Yeah that isn't the main hard mode clearing title so its probably a silly one, so the name doesn't really matter.
5H96Y49G6D wrote: »
I think this is a great idea! I'm sure all of us casual players can now get carried for free gear and roll on mats. Also, since 3rd party programs aren't allowed anymore, it's not like your dps matters! I love casual Tera! Thx for letting me queue IM and afk for free mats and clears!

ppl will sync qs no biggy

Your probably right, if it does pop they probably will chain kick people until the correct people are found, causing more anger on the forums from new players being kicked, because this is a damned if you do and damned if you dont situation, so they should just not make it IMS only.
clfarron4 wrote: »
Velik's Hold Normal Mode is a gearing dungeon as well. If I'm not mistaken (from EU experience), it drops the weapon. This is going to cause conflicts for guild/groups of friends that want to do gearing runs.

Also, sidn't we have this with the FIHM patch, when Kallvan's first appeared? This has definitely happened before and it did upset the community then...

Yeah it happened in FIHM patch for kalivans, happened in SSHM patch with demekron factory, happened in RMHM patch with LKNM
When i say happened, it happened like for the first few days/week because people rage about it right away.
Halrath wrote: »
While we're on the subject...
The achievement. What is the number 6 and 8 for?
Is it seconds, minutes, hours? 6 wrist slaps on Lakan??
:scream:

There are 6 achievements for Normal Mode. There are 8 achievements for Hard Mode, including one that grants a title. Hope that helps.

So gonna ignore the actual topic of the post? @Halrath
Salvatori wrote: »
> @clfarron4 said:
> Velik's Hold Normal Mode is a gearing dungeon as well. If I'm not mistaken (from EU experience), it drops the weapon. This is going to cause conflicts for guild/groups of friends that want to do gearing runs.
>
> Also, sidn't we have this with the FIHM patch, when Kallvan's first appeared? This has definitely happened before and it did upset the community then...

Kallivan never went as 7-man to NA. That was a KTERA thing only.

It did for a brief few days/week until they fixed it, but it shouldn't be a thing that happens when its a NA specific localization that EME is supposed to do to make it NON IMS only.
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IMS only?
Comon EME do we have to tell you every patch to fix it to non ims only every single patch?
If this is a actual intended change a lot of people will be very angry.
@Halrath @Noesis
Spacecats wrote: »
Thanks for noting these. I'll pass this on to the TERA team.

Bumping this thread as a reminder since the patch date for the 9th had been announced so this hopefully happens as a few of those should be a default thing each patch, and I'll be bumping this thread again for visability if some how its forgotten even after the "TERA team has been notified."
@Spacecats
Use a vpn, it'll fix your issues in no time.
Its funny when you say that when it lowered my ping by 80 to 100ms difference. The issues you are having OP are related to your location and isp, Other people benefit from this, They originally had zayo for the longest time, the switch to savvis was only done back in late oct - early september last year, which caused largely increased lag for a certain set of people. So basically if you want to get your original ping back then use a vpn like WTFast, it'll route your internet to have said lowered ping trust me, but if you refuse to pay for a vpn then enjoy your higher ping. I've had to deal with this crap for 6 months with a vpn and now i can play tera normally again now they've switched back to the original routing they used. Also a 40 ping increase is nothing between 40 and 80, so stop complaining.
It's just the usual triple drop lag making things worse than usual, it should die down once triple drop finishes.
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This patch some necessary things were missing that really shouldn't of been overlooked,
So here's some stuff that most people probably want and the staff should really remember to do for next patch:
  • Putting new reset scrolls for the new dungeons in the elite consumable boxes and in the vanguard store (especially since the old reset scrolls will 100% be useless next patch.)
  • Adding strong bravery and strong canephora to the elite consumable box
  • Adding reward points to the current/new dungeons as they were almost completely overlooked and forgotten by the staff this patch
  • Make sure to update the Island of dawn tokens amount and the vanguard credit amount to the proper NA localized amount.

If there's anything else people feel that need to be on the list that I've forgotten please add to this discussion.
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/102092#Comment_102092
Its great you added some new changes to elite, but what about the promised Strong bravery and strong canephoras that were supposed to be added to the elite consumable box? @Spacecats @Halrath

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/11355/strong-bravery-and-canephora-potions/p1
Where it was originally said ^
Honestly im looking forward to the male oriented poledancer class
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Circlet doesnt show up on people at all, its not a visual accessory. what are you even looking at?
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I took a picture of my character and i photoshop drew on what i would of been happier with. I still like the new armour but this way it would of been heaps better.
Like dont get me wrong, i dont mind them showing characters showing skin even with armours but theres a time and a place to show skin, and this armour didn't warrant showing skin especially like i feel like they just wanted a excuse to show underboob, it was a lazy way to sexualise it tbh.
Any update on strong bravery and canephoras being added to elite consumable boxes @Spacecats ?
I just did the HH raid 1-4 and the entire time i was spiking from 300-450 ping, and we had mass spikes in the raid during it. Seriously what the [filtered]. I've tried being calm and collected and try to be reasonable but im getting absolutely no response regarding zayo and savvis.
Well I'd like to point out they've been using Savvis for over a month and a half now (last time it was on zayo was december 18th) and latency has been pretty bad in general during that time, so is there any update on the matter @Spacecats @Noesis
A certain set of people have been dealing with extra latency on top of what they used to deal with years back, and i'd like to find out whats going on since the whole zayo and savvis debate has gone a little too quiet, and i asked the question awhile back regarding wether we would be sticking with savvis and it appears that decision was made. So is there no chance of the zayo route being used any more?
I'd ask with a ticket but at the start of last month i was "asked" to never reopen tickets regarding that issue again so is it safe to assume that they don't care about the issue any more in any capacity, because last time i posted it on the forums to get a debate going for it it was largely ignored by any of the staff.

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Everyone gets a 23 power and 23 endurance buff is what your referring to.Which honestly is a nice change to compensate for the lack of talents atleast in HH. Though it is weird that there was no mention of it because people would actually be happy if they knew. At least one nice thing EME did, wether they intended it or if BHS did it.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
HH should return several months later but you are right.

That tittle was thought for korean sever, they have talents and boosters so they can do the whole HH every week.

People are clearing on MT each week fine. That wasn't the issue i was stating
metagame wrote: »
if a raid was dedicated enough, it would be possible to get the 12 clears in a little over a month, as transferring servers resets your weekly hh entry, and you can server transfer every 5 days.

I was well aware of the transfer method, but i don't think its worth spending over $100 for something ridiculous like that.
I've been thinking about this and i've been wondering how EME was going to handle this for awhile. For those who don't know there is a title you get for getting 12 clears in harrowhold (combined with 77 clears of RMHM) and that requires 12 whole weeks(3 months) of running the dungeon to get it, Now its only been 2 months. My question is EME even going to give people enough reasonable time to get the title because a whole lot of people would get pretty annoyed if HH was removed earlier than 3-4 months since HH is removed basically shortly after lunar dancer came around. Will people have enough time?
I honestly hope the patch comes at the end of march at the earliest because that is atleast a reasonable amount.
What prompted this was the comic posted on the http://tera.enmasse.com/game-guide/sword-and-hoard Sword and horde update

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which is basically hinting at the lunar dancer /moon dancer/moon zerker/ moon warrior, coming some what soon unless this is some really really early teaser?
Noesis wrote: »
It took me a few minutes to double check I wasn't going to delete the wrong items from the wrong shops, but it should be showing bravery / health pots and no hardened eggs in the dragon scale shop now.
I really hope this is some kind of mistake, because putting 10 scales for 1 bravery or 1 health potion is a massive joke, Even 1 scale for 1 brav/health potion would be a joke. Do you honestly think running 1 dungeon for 15-30 minutes is worth 1 scale, So your saying 2.5 hours to 5 hours are worth 1 health potion, 200 gold.
This is a sick joke and shows out of touch people really are.
Yeah i'd love to see the real stats like this in NA, it would be nice to see how many people are enjoying tera and whats going on in the game.
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/94726/#Comment_94726
I thought what GF put together was really cool and I'd like to do something similar. It's definitely on our radar.
Hopefully this is on your radar as well.
This is a nice change provided EME keeps this up to date and actually remembers to put the new reset scrolls for new dungeons when they come out later down the line.
Hold the phone everyone i can reasonably explain why everything is messed up!

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Its because we got the Broken PrisonBroken Prison version of Broken Prison instead of actually recieving the Broken Prison version of Broken Prison.

But jokes aside its okay just expect the servers to be messed up as more and more people remove their elite and servers cant be paid for.
I've been asking support to help with lag and latency issues for the past few months and nothing has become of it. They told me to make a thread to start a "discussion" with users on the forum and so its more visible. So if possible i'd like this thread to not be locked like the other one was for some reason even though the issues were still very real? https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/98857/#Comment_98857


So the servers as of this post are routing via Savvis which causes higher latency then usual for me which varies from a extra 70-180 ping on top of my normal ping, my normal ping is 210ms but with these issues i get 280-380. This is because of the way i route to the servers via savvis. But these issues aren't just me, a lot of people i know and talk to from different locations in the world from US and outside of the US suffer from this. This issue has only been happening since they switched to savvis, For the longest time the servers were running with routing from zayo which was great, i had much lower ping with it.

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These issues started because as of the 30th of october 2016 when they had a logon issue for a couple hours they decided to switch from zayo to savvis and the lag issues started to happen, higher ping, random spikes. Now the random spikes are most likely attributed to the ddosing thats been happening in the US as they stated in the news post http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/network-outages-compensation but that doesn't account for them keeping savvis active when they were using zayo in the past.

While this is a issue for me and others also keep in mind that savvis actually has helped some people also have a better connection because of the change so this isnt a clear hey this fixes it for everyone scenario.

I guess this thread just could be a means for people to speak up who are having the issues now that savvis has been on for the majority of the past 2 months.
Last time zayo was active was between december 8th to december 18th.
Spacecats wrote: »
76FYEP7WJN wrote: »
So we got a server downgrade, and now you guys got a downgrade in offices, are ya'll doing alright?
As for the servers, they haven't been downgraded at all. In fact, TERA servers were upgraded a few months ago and are very much up to date.

So you guys can fix things like trading brooches and etching boxes withing 2-4 weeks but you cant change the bravery potion cd to 30 minutes within 2 entire years of people asking.
Vysse wrote: »
KanaKasane wrote: »
Savvis is causing Australian's (Telstra) to be routed through Japan, increasing our ping by a further 100-200.
We're being forced to buy a VPN just to get near our old ping.

No offense but EME isn't even technically serving you.

Margarethe wrote: »
Vysse wrote: »
KanaKasane wrote: »
Savvis is causing Australian's (Telstra) to be routed through Japan, increasing our ping by a further 100-200.
We're being forced to buy a VPN just to get near our old ping.

No offense but EME isn't even technically serving you.

Believe, quite a few Australians purchase EMP and/or Elite. Therefore, they are serving them.
Also, it is not a blocked region.

Yeah i've been paying for elite for the past 2 years with real money and buying emp throughout that time. EME can feel free to tell me that they dont have to serve Australian people that's fine and well within their right to. I can stop buying emp and cancel my elite because i most definitely have enough gold to purchase elite in game for at least the next 2 years if i wanted, No offense.

Because constantly flipping a switch on servers to keep both sides happy for one week at a time is not healthy and doesn't instill consumer confidence in their product.
vrale wrote: »
We were finally able to clear a 30 man raid with zero lag and the servers have been very stable. I don't know about any of this other "lag" that people say they have but they also tend to never mention where they are from or what their ISP is.

We were finally able to wipe multiple times in our 30 man raid with massive lag spikes and the servers have been very unstable. I don't know about any of the stable servers that people say they have seen but they also tend to mention they are from the US and should be having this issues.

Jokes aside, Yeah despite the change to savvis that you claiming helped people the past two days since the change we have been wiping on mechanics due to massive lag spikes at key moments in the raid thus repeatedly wasting our time, once again it was changed back to savvis which from what i've seen besides my own personal problem with it, it IS still affecting people in the US region so it ISNT helping. People in my raid of varying locations from NA to EU to OCE were all experiencing lag spikes the same as well as a extra 20-100ms on top of their normal pings.
Well since the original server issues thread was removed/hidden ill post here, the game started to lag more again in the past few hours consistently and i see that the routing is now going to savvis, so what game is EME playing switching providers every week.
This doesn't help find the cause of the issue all it does is [filtered] off one different set of people each week, zayo on, savvis on, zayo on, savvis on, zayo on, savvis on, zayo on, savvis on.
When will it stop, are you going to leave it in this state for the christmas holidays too?
I honestly don't even care about the compensation i just want the game working in a playable state. Once again this is getting tiring to deal with.
Now my ping is fine now it's switched to zayo once again. But honestly i don't know how long you guys will keep it normal again for me, but also other people seem to be affected now so i honestly dont know what you can do. This whole situation has made me pretty lethargic in general as people really shouldn't have to deal with this kind of thing. But once again looking forward to that news post explaining all this being posted this week.
Okay now i've been raiding for 3 days and have been getting massive lag spikes constantly through out it repeatedly killing the whole raid very frequently. This is unnacceptable, raid leaders in a raid should not be having to call out lag as a mechanic of a dungeon. You've tried savvis now for a full week and it hasn't made a difference so why isn't it switched back to zayo for one thing.
Im still getting 350ms ping (when i dont use a vpn that i've now having to start paying for because of this when i shouldnt have to) when my default is normally 220ms.

On top of that you've put all these complaints in one thread so you can easily read peoples issues yet no GM's or CM's have said anything at all for over 2 weeks now.
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/92002#Comment_92002

That was your last response on the matter, okay your investigating, okay. But 2 weeks of absolutely no communication is frankly [filtered] to be honest as people are paying for a game and having to deal with this. Eme promised about having more communication with people in the production letter early this year after all [filtered] broke loose because of this publishers mess ups and yet now here we are issues happening again and staying completely silent. This doesn't put confidence in your product your supplying to people, what is this showing for the future to come? People eventually will get sick of it you know? It's only how far people can be pushed before they break and move on to better and more stable things.

So we deserve some kind of reply. @Denommenator @Spacecats @CobaltDragon
Amianne wrote: »
Can anyone from eme tell when are they going to turn Zayo servers back on? Or are they going to do it at all. I'm getting fed up of logging in all the time to see how my ping is doing just to realize nothing's changed. Is eme even planning to turn the servers back on by Wednesday or are they planning to keep them off just to make sure most NA players won't cry about lag in the 30-man raid?
An official response would be nice.

You actually don't even have to log in to check wether its still lagging, just open your computers command prompt and type "ping 208.67.49.145 -t" (without quotes) and you can see what ping you generally are getting with barely any hassle.
See?
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But yeah at any rate i do hope they actually change it back on, I'm currently being forced to use wtfast to even play and even then the ping is worse then my normal ping so its not really that beneficial.
So yeah its not just people outside of NA being affected negatively because of zayo being off, its NA people as well. Some NA people I've talked to have had slightly higher ping then usual as well. So using the alternative to zayo is not the solution.
As of 30 minutes ago my ping has now gone back up into 350ms territory.
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Zayo was turned off, why. Do i have to keep putting up with this every 3-4 days in a week? Good thing i didn't get around to purchasing emp for black friday yet...
I would like to find out what day the 30 man raid entry resets on in NA specifically since on EU and KTERA its on a thursday afaik. Is there a known weekly date for this yet?
@Spacecats @CobaltDragon
3F6FACHKA4 wrote: »
Apparently Zayo was turned back on, and surprise surprise, the lag and packet loss is back. :(
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Apparently Zayo was turned back on, and surprise surprise, the lag and packet loss is gone. :)
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So everything is currently better for me and i hope it stays like this especially considering my elite for this month just reactivated and with black friday coming up i might spend some money though if it starts going to crap again i might change my mind. :+1:
What about the people who have been having constantly higher ping for the past two weeks? Is that even being looked into?
Geletron wrote: »
We just turned off our Zayo connection and failed over to one of our other internet providers. We will monitor performance with this change for the next 24 hours to see if the situation improves.

Still the Zayo connection is disabled, even though you said you would monitor it after 24 hours(it's been 3 days now). I'm constantly seeing more complaints of lag since it was turned off compared to when it was on.
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The performance is terrible, so please turn it back on so we can enjoy the game as paying customers instead of cancelling our subscriptions and looking into other recently released titles for alternatives.
370ms ping is not a reasonable ping, and i want to see action, I've been playing this game constantly for the past 2 years(and had elite that entire time) and I've rarely had a issue, but this is the longest period of time where the game has been broken for me, almost 2 weeks now this lag has been unbearable and I've tried to put up with it but this is absolutely atrocious. Something needs to be done, everyone in my country is currently being affected and i don't see it being very good business completely denying a entire continent.
I dont see zayo in my tracerts currently that's why i'm lagging. Usually when i see zayo in my log everything is fine.
Yes i normally play with 230ms, but i'm getting 370ms because of the lack of zayo. Idk why they turned if off, it seems to be causing more issues then it's helping from what i see.
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