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Posts by Starkhoe
Remember when dungeons used to be hard. Remember when pvp was fun, and mixed with pve (aka, alliance). Remember when people didn't use meters and proxies. Remember when leveling was fun. Remember when positive social interaction was promoted, instead of being downsized if favor of mega toxic pseudo parade raids like HH. Remember when gear dropped in dungeons, so you could gear alts properly so you could actually use them everywhere and switch between mains, if you wanted too. Remember when tanking required skill. Remember when healers were healers. Remember Nexus. Remember when "Blast From the Past" gave max level characters a reason to help out newcomers. Remember when people played slayers. Remember Tonka. Remember when 10k was alot of gold. Remember when you could summon BAMs. Remember eclipse potions. Remember when reaching level 60 felt like an accomplishment. Remember when they used to work on balance, instead of popping out OP "toy-dps" for scrubs every time a different game did the same thing. Remember solo instances.

Remember when the game was fun. Remember when we had a lot of servers.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
I will pretty much spend only on Elite because there is not many things worth right now and many costumes, pets, mounts... keps being sold on Loot boxes only, making you to spend a thousand dollars on them and not get the great prize because there is not a cap for failures.

I too have Elite, and several vouchers just sitting around collecting dust. Though I didn't use real money to get those. This game isn't worth my money imo, and its easy to make gold. However I do agree with you. Thats basically the only thing that would be worth buying. I actually know a few people that spent thousand dollars on this game`s RNG cancer, the poor idiots, and all they ever really got in return to their investments, was sheer aggravation and a handful of extra mounts. And, unfortunately for them, the in game inflation is so messed up that ended up having to cut down on the prices of the ones they wanted to sell. Stuff like that sometimes make me wonder whose more adept at being an addict or an advocate of desperation: EME or the community. Its a close call, isn't it.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
If a costume gets to be for sale in a direct way I will buy it but if they keep being in loot boxes then I will just forget about it. I really like it the Attack on Titan and Heavenly costumes way to be sold and hope for more costumes to be like that.

Ah but if they sold costumes directly, then they wouldn't be able to scam folk anymore. And they can`t have that, now can they. The only places I buy from are either the broker, or from friends selling at a reasonable price. I will give them credit on the Heavenly costume though, as it is one of the better ones they made recently. I don`t like the new wings though. Would have been nicer if those had some kind of animation, instead of looking like two sticks of fluff.
Waitress wrote: »
I know the GMs will say something different and that's fine, that's their job to. Because bad news creates panic and they want their current playerbase to feel safe enough to continue spending. Because if people realize how bad things really are, they'll stop spending which will really speed up the dying process. Your spending is the games blood pumping through it's veins.

Actually, if you consider the lack of transparency and how things seems to work here, id say that the GMs don`t even have to bother faking that everything is "ok". Seems to me like people stopped taking them seriously anyway. Myself included. And in my opinion this whole merge is just a way to hurdle in all the sheep together, and milk whats left of the suckers that still actively pay for stuff in this game. In fact it wasn't so long ago that the server transfer thingy malfunctioned, and people were not able to leave dying servers. Then it got fixed and people paid up for server transfers. So technically that's even more money some people threw down the drain, due to the nature merge itself. Not mention that some people might have left their old servers for a reason, either community or economy wise. Hey it happens. So yeah I get that they have to do this merge. But at this point? the only thing that`s really pumping here is BS.
Waitress wrote: »
Realistically, is it wise to continue spending?

Nobody's going to bet on a dead horse, and I think people should just learn to adjust to everything that comes with that. And, to the poor schmucks that wasted tons of real life money, money they will never get back, all I have to say is... too bad lol. Enjoy what you can, for as long as you can. That`s all anyone can do.
Equitas wrote: »
I didn't realize that the prerequisite for addressing someone was being angry. I wasn't aware that addressing someone was the same thing as going at them "with a passion". I'm not one of these braindead weebs who only speak in keyboard faceroll.

It was just the wording I went with. Someone else, might have said something else. I don`t ponder too much about the logic or full rational of that nickname, nor do I care how other people express themselves, or even what they think. This forum is tacky. All I ever really see around here is a bunch of people using that old excuse of "voicing their opinions", when in reality, in most cases it just seems like a pissing content. People arguing to have that last word, the best Meme, the best comeback, the best openly displayed rational, or whatever other stupid trend people choose to go with. As I said before, I just don`t know you well enough to say weather or not you`re a rational person, or if you`re someone that relishes arguments, for the sake of arguing. After all, you seem to be quite opinionated, and most of you`re communication with people here seem aggressive. Which is fine and most of the people I seen you communicate with don`t seem like they are you`re friends. Again, this is simply how it looks from the side, from my own prospective. I`m saying that because, well, I don`t know about you, but I come to this place purely for cheap and free entertainment, read patch notes, and to take occasional jabs at the often ridicules turns this game keeps taking. Why else would anyone be here.

Look. Believe it or not, id like to think that you`re not a "braindead weeb who speaks in facerolls". Whlie its true that I might have given you a nickname you felt was out of place, I did in fact agree with you. Both here, and in some other places. Hell id even go as far as saying that I think its up to the players to call out council pets and put them in their place, just like they do to EME. Because if the players don't, then who will. See, some of the points that Money Bags made were actually quite valid for someone like him. Its like seeing Uncle Scrooge taking a stand for all the other Uncle Scrooge`s out there. Its fantastic imo, funny to watch. However, what he might not have pointed out, is the hypothetical situation of what happens if the game just up and dies, and how would that effect him. In my opinion that`s the scenario he is much more concerned about, as that might actually happen. And if that happens and he looses backing space, names and characters, his account might drop in value because of this. You know what I mean. Its kind of like basic marketing, in a sense. Selling you`re stock at the right time before it plummets. Obviously he wouldn't be able to admit to any of this openly, and its just a theory, right. I`m not saying he`s a scammer. But I am saying that he`s probably not that far from it. So I have no sympathy towards him.
Equitas wrote: »
I understand that you're used to dealing with angsty weebs who don't know how to think for themselves, and who faceroll their keyboards in anger at anything that doesn't align with their misguided views, but I'm not that guy. I feel like that should have made itself obvious by now. I'm not "angry". I don't go at anyone "with a passion". Me replying to someone doesn't mean either of these things.

I`m used to dealing with all sorts of people, and I try not to take anyone too seriously. I don`t take myself very seriously either. If you`re not that type of guy, then i`m glad to hear that. After all nothing is ever truly obvious when it comes to strangers you meet on the internet. A person actual circumstances and current state of mind are things best left seen overtime, and in various situations. The fact that a person can sit down and compose a reply at their leisure and absolute comfort, makes it hard to say whos who. One moment you could be talking to someone that appears calm and rational, the next thing you know, you could see that very same person going nuts over trivial things. It happens.
Equitas wrote: »
"angry"

Yeah "angry". Its just a vibe you put out I guess. Just my opinion, you don`t have to agree me with of course. I don`t really know you. Tho you have to admit, you keep coming at him with a passion, so that kind of rules out giving you nickname like "Kamiz`s fan". And I... can`t really say that I understand why you even talk to him. As much as I enjoy seeing you two go at it, its really quite pointless. I mean look, you told him " You don't PvE. You don't PvP", right? I am led to believe that this is true about him, so that settles it imo. We keep at it? I mean if Money Bags were to argue with me over content, or even in general, id just laugh. All I see is some rich dude complaining about possibly losing his stuff. #Tragedy. #Having.A.Full.Life. Cry me a river, right. So that`s that.
kubitoid wrote: »
ps - tbh im against personal attacks on forums in any form but i upvote that equitas person every time they throw stuff and watnot at kamizuma pls keep it up

I concur. I enjoy seeing the angry fellow go toe to toe with money bags. Thats the server merge spirit!

I`d like to believe that even a game like this can still redeem itself to some extent. This could only happen if they would understand that the more limits they set up for players, the more they force these ridicules enchanting costs and XP requirements, the more that people will be less inclined to play Tera. See, it might not have been said openly, but this direction would in fact force people to stop investing in alts, due to these unrealistic demands. In my opinion this is taking things in the wrong direction, as alts are at the core of people`s income. The economy is already broken, why make things worse.

I`m sure that someone out there might think to themselves something in the lines of: "its a grinding game. If you don`t like it you can leave!". I`m sure that some people out there might feel that way, as well. Which is fine. However, this is not K-Tera. The current populous has a different mindset. I think we do have quite a few spoon fed sheep that mindlessly accept everything they are given, but the game itself is much deader in this region. Do I really need to stress why stopping people from physically entering a dungeon is a bad idea? lol after all... merging the servers, while being a step at the right direction, is also a step toward admitting they are running out of options. That`s not something they wanted to do.

Think about it for a sec, BHS/EME. People have accepted alot of BS in this game: They accepted Xigncode3 (by accepted, i mean bypassed), they accepted the lack of transparency (by accepted I mean, they don`t take you seriously. I share that notion aswell), they accepted the poor optimization and horrible lag (by accepted I mean, went around it). People have even went as far as accepting the fact that endgame rewards are just awful. Think about it - people with Oath gear shouldn't be in a position where they have to grind Legion and Island of Dawn. They didn't obtain Oath gear for that intention! use you`re heads for a change! however.. that being said... these are things that people have learned to live with, since they are still here. Thats how much people enjoy the game play itself. Thats Tera`s only redeeming quality.

But these future updates.. the needless mounts, the insane costs of everything, the continuous lack of content, killing off pvp? i`m not an expert on gaming, but I firmly believe that if someone would have written a book about "how to alienate casual players and veterans alike, and milk dying games at the slowest rate possible", then this would be their source martial.
I don`t know how well ninja would work on console or if its fun to play like that, so I can`t really say. In fact I think that consoles are a not good a platform for something like Tera, in general. That`s just my opinion though. Well since you asked, I personally don`t have any issues with ninja. Its just like all the other classes, if you get good at it, you will do good dps and nobody will ever complain. Its viable for all content. Ive seen alot of people express concerns about the lower end dps, but honestly I think that people should play classes they enjoy playing. I mean if you`re going to spends hours on playing a class, it might aswell be something that will keep you sane through the grinds.

Besides. I don`t know much about what Tera is like on console, but if its anything like it is on PC, then I don`t think you have to worry so much. If you`re good then chances are that you will out dps most players, regardless of what class they are playing. Like on PC zerks are op af right now, like Jesus Christ. But its not like you get to see godlike dps in every single instance you do. Most players are okay but not like "TEACH ME SENPAI" kinda good. Maybe on console its different, I dunno.
RandomElin wrote: »
Actually, you're just guessing at this point. You have no way of knowing what EME is doing about this. For all you know, they could be in the process of figuring out how to get it off of their servers. Point is I don't know what's up with EME on this, and it sure sounds like you don't either.

You`re so stiff yikes lol yeah i`m guessing. That`s what people do when the staff ignores them lol
RandomElin wrote: »
That is not a good example of what you are talking about. I don't believe there is one comment from an EME employee in that thread so far.

The other was from before the fallout had really picked up. That is what I'm referring to. Since the fallout had really kicked into full gear, EME seems to have effectively vanished (save for that one short, rushed looking post that had nothing to do with the fallout) as far as these forums are concerned. I find it had to believe that they are afraid to show their face on the forums. Just what is EME doing?

Yeah they didn't make that thread and they didn't reply in it either. Don`t just read text as it is and parrot information, think about what you`re reading and everything around it. BHS/EME have a very bad attitude. That was my point, and I will not explain it a second time lol

I don`t know what EME is doing, I only know what they are not doing. Their not removing XIGNCODE and their not stopping cheaters.
RandomElin wrote: »
What replies to the xigncode fallout are you refering to that were made by EME employees? I mean replies from after all chaos started breaking lose after xigncode was pushed out. I haven't seen one. Its almost like EME has become missing in action since the fallout started. I only recall one post by an EME employee in this time frame and it was about loading screens, was short, and appeared rushed. It makes me wonder if something is going on behind the scenes on this. I really don't know what is up with EME, though.

I was talking in general about their overall attitude in all manner of things, not just this incident. But sure i`ll be specific. See i`m not going to link you every single reply they ever made in the entire forum because just to further prove a point, because that would take me hours and I don`t care enough about this to do something like that. That would be insane. But here is a good example to what i`m talking about. That comment was posted after they closed the original thread about XIGNCODE.

Read that and tell me if you feel like you`re in capable hands in here lol
RandomElin wrote: »
It's actually already a known that it is driving some players away. The question is, how many will it drive away. Based upon reports I've seen, it sounds like TERA NA really isn't in that great of a state after xigncode. As such, it sounds like you are underestimating the effect. Just because someone can bypass xigncode in a manner that may very well ultimately get them banned does not mean that it is the approach they will choose. Especially when there are still xigncode-free tera servers like the TERA EU servers. Furthermore, it looks like the TERA EU servers will stay xigncode-free. If you are not a "cheater", there isn't really much incentive to bypass xigncode, stay, and maybe get banned when you could instead just go to TERA EU. After all, its not like EME has code out and endorsed bypassing xigncode.

You are correct in saying that Tera NA is not in a good shape, population wise. Though in terms of a mass exodus, a few hundred players (and i`m being very generous about that estimated number) are simply not enough. I mean, yeah, some threads have even began looking like a "who has a cooler desktop competition", its quite fantastic how many well placed arguments people have shown without getting any official response from EME. But be that as it may, i`m afraid that you would need at least a couple of thousands of deserters to start making a real dent in their profits, enough to put the game at a real position of risk and force BHS`s hand into removing this malware. This is not about underestimating what can be done in theory, this is about pure statistics combating an issue practically. I have seen many controversies come and go in this place, but only a handful of changes have actually been done by BHS. And most of those changes didn't happen because the community as a whole "made" them happen, or even wanted these changes in the first place. Which is why i`m saying that sheep mentality is op, and BHS/EME knows it. Think about it, if I was wrong about this, then BHS/EME would be WAY more transparent. Not because they would want too, but because they would have no choice. You don`t have to take my word for any of this, just look around and read the replies posted even by the EME staff members themselves. Read those and you tell me if these people sound concerned about the well being of the game itself, or even concerned about the community itself. Some replies are even so blatantly offensive and smug, they make as much sense as a [filtered] kid swallowing a fork. I can`t even believe someone actually hired some of these people.

Yeah I heard about how things are in Tera EU. However that option is simply not appealing enough. Or, not for me at least. Apart from having to start from scratch, which would be quite the hassle, I don`t think that Tera EU is some magical place without any problems of its own. If push came to shove, id rather just quit Tera altogether. As for them banning everyone that bypass this malware, id like to see them make the mistake of terminating every single account that chooses to use a bypass. That`s like saying that they will get rid of every single person that uses side clients or meters. see now THAT scenario would be a REAL self inflicted exodus.
What you're suggesting isn't going to happen. And if you ask me, I think that the sheep mentality that keeps the game afloat, is also what keeps preventing it from getting the players to cause real change. There will not be a massive exodus, only a handful of paranoid deserters. People will prefer to simply bypass the malware instead of leaving. For the time being there is only a temporary uproar players are attempting to address with screenshots and examples from their own system, or more Google vomits without any official response to address them. In other words: no real change. Not one that I can see so, at least. Talk is cheap. And people sure love to talk and BHS/EME dont like addressing people. Meaning, even if you`re idea was good, it wouldn't happen.
Enough with the brown noses and privileged puppets. Nobody cares about what lackeys have to say. BHS/EME/Whoever official, as someone from the potato nation which no longer cares if they get banned or not, give up you`re official response, and make it a good one.
PhantomV wrote: »
Well thanks for the lengthy and well thought out reply. No, I am not a millionaire, I make okay money. I only made that comparison because fast food workers get paid way too much for doing a do-nothing job that can be automated, and are still asking for more, which I am against. Why do they get an increase yet I still sit at my current salary.. doing a more difficult task. maybe not the best comparison, but the only one I could think of at the time.

Actually it wasn't that thought out, but you`re welcome. You`re topic interested me. I was simply trying to point out things which are common sense. Ive noticed that alot of people here jumped on you without attempting to see what you`re trying to say. And you admitting that you did not use the correct choice of analogies, speaks well of you`re intentions. I`m sure that you already know how quickly people go for Meme-culture types of replies and one liners, which mean nothing, instead of explaining what they actually mean. In other words, ive noticed that people are trying to "beat you", instead of having an actual discussion. This is a common phenomena, and I personally do not believe that issues that you have raised should be resolved in conflict. In any event, past is past, and one can always start anew.
PhantomV wrote: »
Second, I hear what you're saying, but to some people, fun is to make lots of money in game. Not everyone defines what is a hobby the same, or how to play the game the same. I find enjoyment in seeing a bank full of money, free to buy whatever I want. I just think that the money you get from soloing is way disproportionate to how much you get for doing dungeons. Going by my bad comparison, I feel like you should be rewarded for skill and talent or whatever you want to call it, more than brainless work. The higher tier it goes the more reward you get. It used to be how games worked didn't it? You can solo grind all day but unless you could participate in mvps, raids, wars, you didnt really have good gear. (As far as the xp arguement goes, a person can technically just solo all day, make good money, and buy the gear off broker or buy mats when needed. Not sure how viable that is?)

As I said before, I agreed with you that the solo content is quite profitable. Though I will point out that the XP becomes a real factor once you start getting to +8 and above. I mean, yes, technically a person can grind nonsense and get as much XP as they want, if they don't mind spending alot more hours of doing the same repetitive garbage. Not to mention, that IOD + Legion + Ghilli + Pit is soul crushing. I can`t speak for others, but when i log in I don't feel like doing that sorta stuff, I want to participate in actual dungeons, and enjoy the illusion that i`m playing a game whos developers actually care about their players. I`m being sarcastic of course, I know that Tera NA is nothing more then an experimental trash can for BHS for milking money. Which is one of the many reasons why I don't take this game seriously.
PhantomV wrote: »
I have no problem with the people who have a life and just want to relax and grind a little solo. Thats okay. But they can easily do that on a main with increased vanguards and other things, account bound... would make their life easier also. Dont have to gear up other things.. They have the choice to do them on alts as well if they wish. If they really have not a lot of time, they wouldnt be able to do it on like 8 chars anyway. For someone like me who has about 4 or 5 hours a day to play, once Im done with all my solo things and dungeons, I'm forced to play on alts for an hour or two, or else I get nothing, and I don't remember many games that made alt play a necessity to be ahead of the curve

Way I see it, as someone that has a battalion of fully geared chars, which are skilled in all relevant dungeons, honestly I simply see no use in drawing all these comperasments. As I said before, you`re right about solo content being more profitable and creating a situation where more people with SC are simply not that reliable. However, I still stand by what i said about how the current patch is better then the older ones, in the prospective that more people are able to obtain endgame gear these days. It does add to the numbers, which are you might already know, are lacking quite a bit. 1/10 healers are god awful, 1/10 tanks don't know how aggro works. But the solo content is now what caused this phenomena, it is the gaming culture in general that brought this to life. Personally, i`m not an elitist, I only want basic functionality from players. And yes, the XP argument is still a valid one. Grinding solo content is alot slower.
Meanwhile, as someone from the potato PC nation, im still waiting for an official reply about all the things that people have been raising here. XIGNCODE did not stop gold spammers, it did not stop cheaters, it did not improve game performance (it only made it worse), and I have yet to see a single proven positive attribute for having XIGNCODE in Tera. Nobody wants it. If anything from what I can see the only thing that XIGNCODE has done, is to push people to go outta their way and resort to none official solutions just in order to play the game.

BHS, you like waving policy and preach against third party software, yet you implement one yourselves? you claim to want to hear what people have to say, yet you can`t even bother to open an official thread on you're own accord? EME, how long before you run out of excuses and smug one liners, and give the people something they actually want?
PhantomV wrote: »
Tera doing dungeons = Working a real job
Tera solo = Working at McDonalds

Flippin burgers and being lazy and useless shouldn't allow you equal or better rewards.

I kind of have a problem with that attitude. For starters: actual jobs pay money. Even the so called "lazy burger flippers" as you called them are in fact making more money then you ever did in Tera, and they can in fact save up to buy EMP and obtain a full +9 SC set, and beyond. Would that make them good players? so called "equals"? nobody knows the answer to that because gaming talent is not limited to a persons paycheck. Neither is their intelligence btw. However doing that would certainly save them the trouble of grinding IOD and dungeons alike. And, no, I don`t work at McDonalds, but I think that every job respects its owners. I`m just trying to put that in prospective because it should be said. What you`re talking about, while perhaps not by intention, comes out as life "real life elitism" in a sense. And while that has nothing to do with the game, I kinda doubt that you`re some white collar millionaire. Just something to think about. You don`t have to reply to that.

Second, I don`t know about you, but when I log into Tera i don`t come here to do "work", I come here as a pass time. A hobby. And I feel very sorry for people that treat this game otherwise. Look around you, nothing about this game even hints that it should be taken seriously. I get what you`re trying to say: you`re trying to say that the way that Tera is built these days does not encourage people to do dungeons because the solo content offers quicker payoffs. Correct me if I was wrong about that being you`re bottom line. But if that`s the case, then that statement is only partially correct. Yes the solo content does offer better income then dungeons. Imo those are pennies, but you`re right about that. However, for many people time is of the essence. People with jobs, families and a life don`t have all day to grind solo content for XP because they can`t play all day, and the XP from the solo content just isn't enough. And the same principle can be applied if you`re want to use the BG argument over actual endgame mats. Yes, you can get BiS mats from BGs. But, depending on the hour, those can take around 40m to get into on a good day, and you need to win for it to be worth you`re while. In other words, thats alot of time that gets wasted doing, what. Id rather use that time to play with my statics, instead of running after the lag feast that is Legion, or whatever else.

My point being: yes solo content makes you rich and its mindless, you`re right about that. But if a person has a life, then all that gold is worthless without XP. Dungeons give better XP. Besides. Overall the way that Tera works right now makes life easier. It doesn't mean it has to be a bad thing. I`m happy that everyone has more options now. Not everything has to be a contest. More geared players = more people to play with. Including solo players btw, which also have statics and many of which run all endgame content. And, no, i`m not "attacking you". I`m just saying that perhaps you should put some things in prospective, thats all. I mean.. really. Who cares about how other people spend their time. Use yours productively.
Speaking as a member of the potato nation PC: major FPS drops, a lot more then the usual ones. Ping going nuts. Client freezing, crashes, some new glitches here and there. A bunch of my friends stopped playing. Oh right. Silly me. BHS doesn't care about things like that. I suppose you want me to address the things which are suppose to be official and "relevant" to XIGNCODE in specific. The reason why its suppose to be here, right.

Since the implantation of this useless malware, I keep seeing more gold scammers. I`m no where near being a psychologist but to me they seem to be quite happy and content with the current state of affairs. Oh right XIGNCODE isn't really against those, I forgot. Something else then. Well I have seen a few hackers here and there parading around glitching in and outta stuff, one shotting things they are not suppose too. I don`t know how those cheats are suppose to be called, but I call them "a prime example to why XIGNCODE is useless". In fact, since doing dungeons is quite an endeavor with all these constant lags, I have gotten bored enough to even take some time to talk with some of these people. And while I was reporting them, they did not seem to express any concern about XIGNCODE. Though if i had to guess, id say that it lags them aswell.

I realize that some people have super computers and good enough ping to support this malware. But I don`t. In fact I don`t care if other peoples stuff remains unaffected. See Ive seen people here go through so much trouble to prove that XIGNCODE is garbage, and all the strain on the PC and stuff that it does. Many well placed arguments and a battalion of Google vomits. But... if people want to talk about facts, then lets talk about about a fact which does not require Goolge or being a computer wiz: look at all the trouble people are going through just because of this so called "improvement". Nobody wants XIGNCODE. Literally. In fact this is so ridicules, that his has got to be maybe the first subject ive ever seen here that everyone agrees on lol
I`m still waiting for them to provide proof to what ive said in my previous comment here. Show me something good that came out of this. This is for the staff. Show me physical evidence that XIGNCODE has changed Tera for the better. Because from what I have seen so far the performance only got worse, with absolutely no payoff from having this malware. I`m not asking for company secrets, id even be happy with a simple official statistic which regards Tera NA exclusively (because this is what i`m playing) that shows a decline in cheaters plus something that shows me that the game works better because of XIGNCODE. If you don`t have such proof yet, that`s fine. I`ll wait.

Also i`m sorry but i`m still not seeing a discussion here. Not a real one a least. All I can see are alot of complaints and Counterpoint talking instead of the staff. Great. You know what? good for him. I hope they pay him one day because dayyym son all that free work. But with all due respect, everything said here can be Googled. That`s not good enough imo. And, no, I don` t care about what happens in BDO or Closers. I`m asking for some kind of minimal degree of transparency from someone. You people (EME staff) claim you wanna hear what people say and showing good intentions? that's cute but fact is you didn't even open this thread. This was open via a regular user`s initiative because you closed the popular one saying "we didn't like where this was going". Yeah? well that`s something we have in common EME because you`re still not baring the burden of proof, and I don`t like having malware on my PC. What, you don`t like "negative criticism"? honestly I don`t think anyone does. But i`m not the one shoving useless malware down peoples throat.

I say enough nonsense. No more lackeys. Give proof. Irrefutable proof that even the most casual of players can understand. If you can`t do that then i`m sorry but you really are as incompetent as everyone says you are.
Omg so much BS in one reply, I don`t even know what to say to this lol I

They want a discussion? why don`t they start with showing some proof that this XIGNCODE is worth spit. I don`t care about software comparability issues because I don`t cheat. Show me something good that came out of this. Not in other games, in Tera. That would be a good place to start, wouldn't you say?

And another thing. This person said: "I think that makes for a playing experience that is more fun. So, I’m behind this change because it's to improve everyone's experience overall.". Oh really? more fun for who? why are you making it sound like you play the game? is that suppose to make you sound relatable? its not working and even I could vomit a better forced "response" then that. And whats with this "I look forward to hearing what you have to say" crap. No you`re not. If you really wanted to hear what people have to say you wouldn't have closed that thread, and you and your team would have taken turns in between coffee breaks to respond to people, instead of shutting them up. If this is the best reply you could have come up with, then honestly I think you should have simply closed that thread without saying anything. Wouldn't be the first time, i`ll bet.

I doubt anyone is buying this official pitch. And if someone does, I feel sorry for them. XIGNCODE is worthless. It causes more problems then it solves. No wait. Correction: it has to solve something before I can reference it. See id like to be nicer about this, i`m not usually this vulgar. But i`m sorry but you`re so called "improvement" is screwing me over, and i`ll bet i`m not the only one.
HeyTeacher wrote: »
i'm pretty sure they'll figure out a way to counter that bypass. as long as Xigncode keeps updating to its latest and hopefully it can detect players from messing with the config files or trying to mod their TERA game files.

I`m not an expert on this subject but I do know that the name "XIGNCODE" does not inspire awe in any kind of community. You don`t have to take my word for it, you can do a quick Google search on the subject, or even ask around. I trust that you will find that Its not exactly Skynet. It will not put a stop to third party software, it will not put a stop to gold scammers, and it will not put a stop to cheaters. It wont even put a dent in any of these phenomena. Again, don`t take my word for it. Read up on it.

Don`t get me wrong, i`m against cheating of any kind and I understand that this move is supposedly meant to counter stuff like that. And I will also add that naturally even the people using side clients and meters put themselves at risk willingly, and i`m pretty sure that in the worse case scenario BHS or EME would be the least of their concerns. It should be said. But... thinking that XIGNCODE will do anything other then give people something to laugh about, is just wishful thinking.
I understand that its likely that Tera simply doesn't pull in enough money to invest in optimizing it. I`m sure that there are more technical reasons but those reasons don't matter to players because they just want to play. Like me. I just wanna play and I don`t care about their technical difficulties or whatever backstory comes with that. Hell i`m not even that picky as to how a game looks, either. What I care about is how something actually plays. And ive played some DOS games that run better then this BS.
Christin wrote: »
Plus, there is really nothing they can say to make this any better. Just get your accounts/alts ready for retirement and play something else.

Alot of people already play other games including myself, and I don`t take this one very seriously because just look at this BS lol however, ive heard that XIGNCODE has already been bypassed yesterday, both for regular users and for people that use side clients. So perhaps people don`t need to goto an early retirement just yet. Like really what are they gonna do? ban everyone that's doing them a favor by going out of their way to keep playing? that's sort of action would be ludicrous and i`m sure that they know that they can`t afford to do something like that. This isn't WoW or BDO, they don't have the numbers or player base to afford touching that hornet nest. In my opinion that`s also why they don`t care about side clients all that much either. Beggars can`t be choosers.
Equitas wrote: »
It has nothing to do with "hyped paranoia". The official developer's website has it stylized as "XIGNCODE3".

That`s not the only thing I wrote and I was being sarcastic about how people are freaking over something they will most likely play along with anyway. But you`re right. I`m glad you can read.

* After edit. I wrote more but it didn't save my draft properly *

Remember back when EME made all that noise over people using third party software, and released that security update? well i`m not a tech expert and I could be wrong, but isn't XIGNCODE also considered as third party software of some kind? if what I said is correct then wouldn't that be hypocrisy at its finest? my point being, is that this whole thing is ridicules. And I genuinely don`t understand how people keep being supersized that this sorta stuff keeps happening. I come here for the show. I admit it. But I can see that many of the people commenting do that with a straight face, and Google vomit every little detail they can to present some kind of argument that`s not going to matter because XIGNCODE is going to happen anyway. If people are bothered by this so much then they should just uninstall this game, or attempt a boycott (which will fail because sheep mentality op and god forbid anyone disturbs the grinds, right). And if people insist on staying here and want to bypass it, that's exactly what they are going to do. Then they can continue having these arguments in here, within the comforts of their side clients.

Besides. People wanna cry conspiracy? go ahead. Do it. Who knows, maybe its true and XIGNCODE3 is nothing more then a data collecting scam for profit. Id believe its possible because the same thing happens on Facebook. But the practical problem with that argument is that they probably agreed to this, and signed it themselves. Then there is no point. Cry wolf day all day, but according to that theory they're already infected. There is no point. I keep seeing people here try to "beat" each other in everything, much like happens in the game itself. I find that as being hilarious and that`s the point where blame gets tossed around.

Here is an example to why that is ineffective: Ive seen people here blame the player council or the EME staff for just about everything, when most of them just spew one liners and emotes every once and a while. My point being, those people are not the cause of the problem, and they clearly only concern themselves with things which bother --them--. Same goes for the EME staff. Do the staff seem like nice and interesting people, or even people that actually play the game? no. They don`t imo. I wouldn't hang with those guys even if they paid me. But despite my own opinion, I belive that they are just doing their job. This whole XIGNCODE is not their fault either. For all we know this whole XIGNCODE was something that even EME raised concerns about, but their not allowed to voice that opinion in here. In other words: who tosses blame on the servants, instead of on placing it on their master? its common sense. In fact, the only person I feel bad for in this entire forum, is Counterpoint. I`m not saying I agree with him on everything and he seems bias as hell. Like omg I realize that there are things he probably can`t say openly but Jesus Christ. That being said though, I feel that he might be one of the few people that genuinely tries to help people and make the game better, and he is not stupid. Kudos on that.

What i`m trying to say is.. people need to get a grip, put things in prospective, realize we have no real say in anything, and stop being paranoid.
Equitas wrote: »
It has nothing to do with "hyped paranoia". The official developer's website has it stylized as "XIGNCODE3".

That`s not the only thing I wrote and I was being sarcastic. But you`re right. I`m glad you can read.
Equitas wrote: »
It has nothing to do with "hyped paranoia". The official developer's website has it stylized as "XIGNCODE3".

That`s not the only thing I wrote but you`re right. I know that and I`m glad you can read.

I used caps because I was being sarcastic about how everyone is making such a big deal out of something they will mostly likely play along with, in some way or another. This is going to happen and fact of the matter is, If people object to this thing so strongly, then by all means they should spare themselves the aggravation and uninstall Tera today, or attempt some organized boycott (which would fail) or whatever. Or if they insist on staying, as was mentioned here a few times, they can find ways to bypass it and continue to argue over the subject in the comforts of their side clients.

In fact, ill add to that, that I genuinely don`t understand why people keep being surprised by these things. Remember back when EME made all that noise and "security update) over people using third party software? well i`m not a tech expert and I could be wrong, but isn't XIGNCODE3 considered as third party software? that's hilarious and I don`t understand why people can respond with a straight face. This whole thing is a bad joke. That`s why I post here and that's why I keep reading this whole thing. Seeing people go overboard and "tryhard" to "beat" everyone is just as funny to see in here, as it is in the game itself. I find that to be ironic, like a social experiment on steroids.
Actually, the mods are looking at this thread

That's fantastic. I`m glad they were able to find some free time in between their lunches. Then surely they know that this will just end up being a game of cat and mouse. Same story with every annual junk that happens. People freak out for a week or two, then it all dies off and fades into oblivion. We both know how this will go, right. They put in Xigncode, then someone stops it from working or makes a bypass. They (BHS) update Xigncode to combat this, then the opposing side does the same. Then come the scapegoats, then comes resentment, then hollow policies get thrown around as if those matter to anyone, and that whole shindig is going to last for about.. ermm.. id say until Ghilliglade has triple drop, and then everyone goes back to their meaningless silent resentment, and the staff can go back to eating their sandwiches in peace.

My point being, is that soon or later it will all become some kind of routine nobodies gonna care about anyway. Talk is cheap. If this bothers people that much, then they should uninstall Tera. I`m considering doing that myself. If the ping continues to drop and the FPS become unbearable because they wanna play rent-a-cop, then i`ll go play something else. Its that simple and none of this would be personal. This is a free product and the staff are tools of service imo. Nothing more, nothing less. People need to get a grip. Ive said this before, this is reality: if people don`t want their data collected by companies, then stop using the internet or something.
Hey BHS here`s a thought: You wanna install some BS in our game? then maybe instead of playing a two cent rent-a-cop with yourselves, just give us better optimization instead of this crap.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Or they are going to play Bless than also uses Xingcode... oh wait!

You know whats really funny? this paranoia is hysterical, but whats even funnier is that i`ll bet most people will still keep on playing even if they flat out said something in the lines of:

BHS/EME: "Xigncode collects you`re personal information. And whats more, we sell this information to further sponsor more maps in Pubg. You want more controversy? no problem. Not only did we tell you openly about Xigncode two days before it came out here, you know, just to mess with you and make it seem like our forums are lively, but not only that.. you know that so called leak of information? yeah that was just to give more people a reason to use side clients. You know because we are cheap and getting players to solve our problems for us lets us go back to working on games we actually care about. How else would we expose newcomers to these things. It just makes life easier. Oh right. You probably have many more complaints about lack of content and optimization issues, not to mention questions about the lack of transparency.

Well you know what? if want answers, then start paying up. You`re not Tera EU, you`re Tera NA, you are the cheap ones. We don`t really have a reason to invest in you. In fact this is such a masochistic community, that you probably think we actually pay attention to this place. Of course we don`t. Thats why we send volunteer lackeys to talk for us. Don`t you see? you are THAT insignificant, that we won`t even bother with you ourselves. So go ahead, cry wolf and keep taking it up the antsy like you always do. Oh right. And don`t forget about buying those cosmetics and worthless mounts without buffs we keep putting out! you wanted a flying suit, well you got it!"


I am being sarcastic of course, they never said something like this. But even if they did, I think the people which are addicted to this game, will keep playing it. Yes, even the ones that are complaining. Besides. If newcomers keep making noise about this subject, they will just silence this after a while, like they do with many other subjects
MistyTera wrote: »
I saw nothing of the sort, but the XIGNCODE only scans for hacking programs running and processes in Tera. That's it! It doesn't read your personal information.

If people are worried about information gathering and being monitored, then they shouldn't go online and sign user agreement protocols or submit reports. This kinda stuff is always going to happen somewhere, somehow. If these things were a virus, id say that most people are already infected. In fact doesn't Tera run via Steam? is that suppose to be "innocent"? I doubt it. But I think that whats really on many peoples minds is weather or not their side clients and DPS meters will still be functional, and weather or not their computers will be red flagged by unrelated apps or modifications, which have nothing to do with Tera itself.

The likely answers to this whole thing is: yes.

1) Will some people be red flagged without a reason? yeah that's probably gonna happen.

2) Will that red flagging process be sorted out fairly by any of the companies involved? nope. Its probably automated.

3) Will Xigncode lag people with potato PCs? most likely. But it probably wont be so different form the normal lag they are already used too. Like instead of the usual 5 dcs in RKEM it will become 7, or something.

4) Will peoples data be sold somewhere? I don`t know but if I had to guess id say its already been sold.

5) Will peoples side clients and meters keep working? yeah definitely. Xigncode seems like garbage.

Maybe i`m wrong about all of this. Who knows really. But hey worse case this game just dies and everyone moves on to another game. Maybe to something like BDO which also uses Xigncode lol
UberMedic7 wrote: »
What i do care about is having my account intact, meaning that i dont want to get falsely banned because i had some overlay on or something. [filtered] anti-cheats are everywhere these days, the best you can ask for is to not hog all your resources and not get you banned for no reason, because really, who cares about "cheaters" in Tera?

I often like to think that when some software issue comes up, it won`t be long before it will be solved by some sort of update. And if EME or BHS ends up being the ones that address this issue properly, that would be fantastic.
UberMedic7 wrote: »
No, its nothing like that, there are solid, honest to god facts that this "anti-cheat" is not effective, its resource heavy and it literally spies on you, and no this is isnt an elaborate scheme of the community to [filtered] about EME and its tactics its about something that is honestly horrible. But go ahead, try to convince me otherwise, tell me that all this is all in my head and im a stupid EME hater and i have no idea about a software that is more shady than actual shady software.

You`re probably right. This thing isn't going to revolutionize online security, or fix the many MANY issues that this game has. This stinks of desperation on their part. But.. its.. not going away. You know that, right? that Tipanni person suggested doing a petition against this, getting 1000 players to stop using Elite for a month, and effect things on a more practical level. That idea wouldn't work because sheep are sheep and they are magnetized to their grinds. But it would be neat if that happened on a grand scale. Might have worked if it kept on for a very long time, and with alot more people.

The thing I wanna tell you though, that this is meaningless. I don`t like the idea of having this malware (is it what it is) around either. Its a desperate attempt at stopping something that's probably never going to stop. And for all you know, all the data collected could be sold to commercial entities for side money, much like happens on Facebook. There is a market for everything, even generalized statistic data alone. These things are probably not even reviewed by actual people, but by bots or some kind of analytical program.

My point being though.. I don`t think you`re a blind hater. Far from it. But you are mistaken if you think that commenting here makes a difference. I comment in these places when i`m bored, not because I think my words matter to anyone.
They did seem to announce it officially. You know... two days before the patch comes out. Classy move EME. Such douchbagary, my god lol

Anyway. Here is my two cents. I`m not an expert on these things, but i`m pretty sure alot of games implement stuff like this XIGNCODE (with caps, because hyped paranoia, right?). Gotta put these things in some kind of prospective. I mean as far as data collection goes, every person with social media apps is basically a walking magnet for third party companies. If fact its likely that every time a person logs in (to anything), chances are that they are being monitored already. Not to mention all the times people just willing submit their data, even by registry entries alone. There are so many examples for this kinda stuff, I wouldn't even know where to start.

So whats a person to do? what are the real options out there? become super paranoid for life and stop using the internet altogether? maybe go full Linux and invest a fortune on creating the most elaborate secure network money can buy? spend thousands of dollars to hire professionals to erase you`re entire online existence for a measly five minutes, before you turn on you`re cell phone and then the whole thing has to start all over again? (because data collection op). Of course not. I`m being sarcastic. People are not going to do that because that would be stupid, paranoid and insane.

In fact, lets also look at this from a another angle as well. Lets be practical. You got something to hide? yeah. You probably do. But I really doubt that EME or Wellbia care about you`re porn. In fact, i`m not expert but if I had to guess... i`d say they probably don`t even care about most third party software all that much. I think that they are implementing this XIGNCODE3 junk for something more specific. The one thing I will mention though, is that I hope that the potato PC nation can still keep playing. This game already runs like a bad joke, so please don`t make things worse.
The basilisks aren't the only BAMs you can farm. So that's that, right.

I will however address something said which I don`t agree with at all. You said: "at least make it somewhat challenging for them". That was you referencing that you want those BAMs to become "equalized" per gear (not just per tier), meaning making them harder to kill for people that have Stormcry. I guess that according to you're logic people with Frostmetal are in the "safe zone" huh. This is ridicules lol

You talk about people being selfish and hogging channels, yet you're suggesting that OP people should suffer longer grinds. That is hypocrisy. Entitlement. Speaking of which, hey wouldn't it be funny if you get Stormcry, and you end up doing what everyone else is doing? what are the odds of that I wonder..
I strongly suspect they'll be able to give missing time back, but first have to fix the issue.

I hope so. I tend to believe in you're intentions, however I am rather skeptic when it comes to them. It wasn't so long ago that they messed up about these things, when they practically erased a newly purchased voucher I got, which were 90 days that went down the drain, after some more so called "updates". I have provided more then enough evidence for all the actions which have transpired, and have never gotten a response. That one is one them, and it was one of their many actions which have led me to believe that they run a two cent little shtick here. However, i`m not one to make a fuss over nonsense considering all the years ive been playing. I have seen their ups and down, have been more then understanding about it, and gold is no object to those with the correct insight to implement proper managing about these matters. However, I do draw the line about not being able to log into the game. That is something I am unable to overlook, despite my best intentions.

P.S: Ive seen how you constantly attention to convey issues which most people choose to overlook. And to that I salute you. Hell, I think they should even pay you, for all the free service you seem to give. Which is also why I should tell you that, out of nowhere, suddenly their launcher started working properly, after hours of tempering on my side of things. Very particular indeed.
Nothing helps. I deleted everything, but now I can not install again. The same message ...

The exact same thing happened to me, right after I used an Elite Voucher. I tried everything, messed with net settings, and followed every instruction I could find. Now i`m losing days on my voucher (not to mention log-in buffs), and can no longer log into this game. Ive even tried downloading the Steam version, just to give it a try. Still didn`t work. Can we get some staff on this or what. This is some real BS. I sent a ticket and waiting for a reply. If they can`t solve this, then I don`t know what to say. Perhaps its time to play something else, maybe something more functional for a change.
Wow you're like a conspiracy theorist on steroids. I love it. There is one problem though. What you said can apply to almost anything. In fact, in a way, the only so called "final solution" to all of this, would be to either stop people from using applications like Discord (not going to happen because people love free stuff), or even take it one step further, shutting down the entire internet (if that's even possible). Those are theoretically the only way to truly surf online safely.

I mean Discord is just one entity right. What about Facebook? Twitter? The Cloud? Youtube? they all have BS policies and manipulative ways of collecting and selling personal information to whichever third parties pay the most. Everyone with two cents knows that, yet practically everyone uses those, while being fully aware that they are most likely being exploited and having their data collected to build up whatever next business model is gonna become the more dominant one on the market. My point being, you can`t stop the corruption and you can`t stop people from jumping head first into seemingly profitable "free" models. Because like it or not when it comes to these things, everyone is going to get used in some way. Literally, everyone logging into anything puts them at some kind of risk. Officially and unofficially as one. Even downsizing you're online data manually, still means you're connected to the internet. Social security numbers, public records, you're own bank accounts, and thats not even the tip of iceberg of what actually gets documented by you, without you're knowledge via policies imposed on the general public by so many entities, I doubt anyone here would even be able to name all of them.

Look, i`m not saying that you're wrong or paranoid, you have presented some facts I won`t attempt to argue over. In fact, I hate arguing in these matters because there's always gonna be someone out there that does these things for a living (or simply has no life at all), and that person could present information I wasn't even aware of. Its a lose lose battle, just by getting into it. Thats how bad things really are imo. I understand that you are trying to raise awareness over a subject that you feel strongly about. However surely you realize that you can`t beat the machine. Especially not in a place like this. Because in Tera in specific, id say that only a handful of people even want to be aware of these things. Most people just get by.
PvE DiscussionNinja's 03/01/2018, 11:37 AM Starkhoe
I play a ninja and I run all the current endgame content. Never felt like its actually "weak", and nobody ever complained about my dps either. It simply requires abit more effort and being spot on with you're timing and rotations. Yes, some classes are generally stronger. Of course. But that shouldn't pull you away from playing a class that's loads of fun, and very strong in capable hands. There are no bad classes, just bad players. I don`t consider myself an expert but that`s my two cents.
Good. I hope it stays dead!
What nonsense. The pull is great in capable hands. Staying in a dungeon with a troll priest is on you. Next time just drop out of the dungeon, or even submit a report about that person (not to mention vote kicking them). Those options are much more useful then making a thread about that one skill, and asking it to be removed. Whats wrong with you lol
This post would be so much better if you were an actual staff member, and knew about their inner workings. Replacing employees happens all the time, and you do realize that even if a publishing company (not the game developers) drops cretin projects, or puts less investment in it, it could be in favor of something much more profitable.

Like, If you ask me.. as far as BHS (the game devs) is concerned, they probably think of Tera NA/EU as being just a dumping ground for various business models and experiments that EME got stuck with having to present. BHS has games like "Playerunknown's battlegrounds" which rigs in alot more players and money. If you were them, could you really blame EME or BHS for not caring all that much about a game like Tera, whos most vibrant and loyal players base probably reside in Korea. See people won`t admit this, and neither would a company, but I think that we are playing the "lazy version". We have a lazy mentality. And if we are lazy, then they can afford to be lazy too. Its a cycle. Which is why there will not be a revolution anytime soon. Trash events? scams? failure in communication and management? outdated optimizations? cringy staff members? sure. Its all here. Same as you.
This is what RNG is like. I have heard stories of people spending ridiculously insane amounts of EMP over RNG boxes, only to face equally disappointing results. When it comes to SC gear, instead of trying to do the actual math (which is technically 50/50 either way), the practical assumption should be to always assume that its going to take you at least 5-10 tries each time you try to enchant something, regardless of anything. And if it takes more then that then you should take it as a sign that the game just hates you, and you should start investing in something else. Even in a different game, who knows.

The system works just fine though. Its not a good system imo but the way things are now, is actually a lot better then it used to be. You should try to think about the amount of percent you have left, as being just a tease. Don`t take these things seriously.
You don`t sound like you're asking for help or advise, you are talking in general. I`m bored so I will reply in the same manner.

A `good` tank holds aggro without becoming a liability to the party, performs all the tank utilities properly while tanking (debuffing + timing enraging), positions bosses properly, handles mobs well, adapts and responds to various situations that could come up, knows the mechanics of the dungeon he is doing, and does good damage (the kind that helps breaking shields) in the process, while distinguishing between when he can afford to get hit for the sake of doing more DPS, and between when he cannot afford to do that. In short: someone that's always willing to learn, improve, communicate and adapt. Someone that understands the concept of tanking in general, the concept of teamplay itself, and knows how to preform well regardless of what gear they have, and regardless of the party's composition. Self sufficiency without the salt. Thats a good tank in my opinion.
You can never know what kind of person is sitting on the other side of the screen. Therefore there's a fine line between constructive criticism, gloating over you're own performance, belittling someone, and between genuinely wanting to help them out. The best way to help someone, is not to come across as being condescending. Which is why if you do choose to give them advice, you should do so respectfully, without making it seems like you're "gods gift to Tera".

How? try to think of yourself, and how you would like to be treated if you were in their position. The key to helping someone, is attempting to understand where they come from. Which is why before you choose to say anything, you can start by inspecting them. Look for signs of something that indicates what might be the possible cause to their low performance. This can range to anything from wrong crystals, wrong rolls, wrong etchings, what guild they are in (if any), and basically anything that shows you what you are dealing with. After you do that, you should have enough basic information to deduce a good direction for them to take (this is also something you can do at the beginning of the dungeon itself). Then you can approach them politely, and explain to them calmly that you wish to give them some pointers. Because if you just say "git gud omg use double pounding" or something like that, without providing an explanation, then you are probably just pissing them off. You always need to remember that if you come off too strong about this subject, then some players might misinterpret you're intentions to help them. How you come across will determine if they will want to listen to you (emphasis on the word "want").

I`m not saying there is not a limit to this, some people are willfully dense, and some players are just plain, well.. stupid. It happens. These are things which are not in you're control, and you can`t force someone to listen to you. All you can ever do, is try. If you ask me, the best way to go about this, is to indulge in a brief and friendly conversation before you start playing. Even something as simple as starting off the dungeon with a few jokes and showing others that you are friendly, can set the tone for the entire thing. This is good because it can open the lines of communication between everyone, and you might be able to see what kind of people you are playing with. Just my two cents. I hope this helped someone.
If they even bother responding to this, they will likely give you some official posturing or some one liners about how its "wrong", and how they are "actively" doing something against it. When in reality, until they make an official proxy of their own (or whatever else to fix ping issues), they can`t do much against it. Ive said this in other places, it is more the likely that they "have" to address these issues when "pesky" good Samaritans point them out (I have complained about it as well), but they cant afford to kill something that effects their playerbase to such an extent. Oh sure, there will be people out there that will support whatever they say, and vomit responses for them. "Justifications, reasons, excuses" whatever. Thats great but I don`t care about that, or about other peoples opinions around this subject. That is not my concern, I am not tech support. I dunno who started the whole thing, but the way I see it, these proxies exists because BHS failed to deliver on a great many things. They made their own virus by not fixing things they should have, and by neglecting the needs of the community. And proxies are just one of the evils around.

Don`t get me wrong I strongly object to any proxy or cheat, probably more then most people do being as I don`t think any player should resort to that. However, while I can understand the possible technical limits which would involve such an undertaking, I honestly don`t care much about them. Thats not my problem. And my opinion is the same as it has always been. Talk is cheap. They should either provide alternative solutions to existing problems, or find a way to stop all players from using them, or just go back to keeping in total silence about it this subject and keep showing everyone that their hands are tied. Let me guess: "you're wrong EME has this under control!". No they don`t. Spare me the circumstance, proving i`m wrong does not require words, nor opinions or meaningless platitudes I don`t care about. Proving me wrong requires actions. Anything else is just a bad joke ive heard many times over.
You're generally correct about scum acting as scum, though if you are going to attempt to raise awareness of obvious issues, wouldn't it be more effective to point out how blocking someone doesn't prevent them from mailing you, or harassing you on multiple accounts? that would be a better issue to tackle. Also, I would like to address some of the other things you mentioned.
I've never seen such an unwelcoming and toxic community ever since league. What's even more interesting is apparently this game doesn't care enough to even offer a report section. Toxicity is therefore encouraged as there are 0 repercussions. The fact that elitists exist in such large numbers and toxicity like this vvvvv is allowed is terrible. What's even worse is that these players are in fact protected as I am obliged to block out their names. I'm Aoshikai.

Pardon me for saying this, but have you been playing under a rock, Aoshikai? I`m saying this in accordance to you're own logic. I mean, did you go on League`s forums and submitted threads about toxicity? probably not. P.S: there is an option to report players. If you submit a full documentation of the event via the website itself (through the tech support), its more likely to get addressed.
There are several things I would actually like to note

3) There are plenty of online guides you can read to better inform yourself on all the changes (also answers 4).
5) The bright side is that good players don`t complain so much over game play, and sane players don't make a fuss over IMs (as being there, is on them) and low level dungeons. So to that end, I believe that those guys are probably not that far off from you're level of playing.
Apparently these people automatically assume that the player is supposed to automatically and immediately know everything about the dungeon and the fine math of the game before even playing it. It's a sickening and terrible and toxic assumption, and I've met a large amount of these toxic players (specifically in Ravenous Gorge, as these players can get away with it more because its smaller).

I understand why you got offended. The way that those guys behaved was unsightly and they are clearly lacking in common sense. You would win the moral argument, hands off. There is no excuse for how they behaved. However, in the same context, it also says a few things about you. Perhaps instead of hoping someone will teach you, then why don`t you teach yourself. Going into a dungeon without reading up or any prior knowledge about it (or about your class) is on you. Not doing that makes you come off as seeming entitled, and you did kind of provoke them with some of you're comments. I mean, if someone gets carried, which isn't a big deal, its much better to admit to it or to just stay silent. My point being.. those guys acted prideful, but so did you.
It's depressing that there are no veteran members that politely tell you these things AT ALL, as they either just stay silent and carry you (which does nothing for you in the long run, give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for life) or flame you without actually telling you . . . anything.

I don`t consider myself as being a veteran, but I do know a thing or two about this game, and about gaming in general. So I will give you some advice on what I think you should do. First off, I think you need to change you're attitude because the way that you are going about this, is wrong. I mean, even posting on the forum about this, wasn't a bright move imo. Anyway. So here`s how this goes: start by doing some online research, and NOT dismiss ALL the results you find, and give those a closer look. I mean, you said some guides were "outdated". Thats fair. Though if you're a returning player, then why are you nitpicking over nonsense? any information can be useful. Perhaps min-maxing won`t be an option for you at this point in time, but then again, that's not suppose to be you're objective, right? take what you can, and use what you can. Some of the online guides might not be up to date, I agree on that, but they are certainly not useless. One could argue about the validity and effectiveness of some of the guides, and many of them seem copy pasted. But no one can argue over the fact that is better to start from something, instead of starting from scratch. What you seem to have, is a "hand held mentality". My point being, is that I think you should shake that outta you're system.

The second point id like to bring up about this subject, is the process of trail and error. You said: "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for life". Cliches are nice, but what if the person that teaches you does it wrong? without any prior relevant information you would not being able to cross reference anything, which means that you would have no way of knowing if the teaching is correct, or even if the method itself was done in a way that actually fits you. Why become a burden and liability to the people around you, why be a bottom feeder, when you have access to all the tool to become self sufficient? raging over obvious issues doesn't make a difference. Don`t expect a hail Mary over noticing obvious things. Don`t become one of those people. If something bothers you, then do something about it.
Ardire wrote: »
reading this gave me a stroke i will personally paypal you money directly if you never post on these forums ever again

I prefer cash, but sure. Pay up. And if you do that, I promises I will use some of that of money to buy you an actual book, because if you like the Tera lore, then god knows you need one!
Nicely done! I gave you a "like", and I never give people likes. I don`t really agree with most of you're suggesting, but kudos on putting in so much effort. I actually read the whole thing, and its done nicely. So here is my two cent about what you said. Keep in mind though that I am not going to address this as someone that cares about the overall community. I don`t care about newcomers, and I don`t care about veterans. Try not to think of this in terms of "right" or "wrong", simply consider this as a different observation on the things you have said.

For starter, what you are suggesting is basically not going to happen because you are suggesting a complete rework of WAY too many things which connect to each other as a bundle. That means that you cant have one element alone, you would need all of them to be synced with each other in order for it to make sense as an implement, and I doubt they have enough hamsters to pull this off at this point in time.

Second. This is just my own opinion, but I don`t think that Tera's lore was ever good enough to demand such close attention to begin with, let alone, becoming something to be prolonged. In fact I would even go as far as saying that for me, Tera's story side its mostly just for clicking "yes" on quests. A obligatory hassle. As far as story telling is concerned, some games get it right, but in Tera I think wasn't appealing in the past, its not appealing now, and its not likely to be appealing in the future. Though I will give them props from making Zolyn a lesbian zombie with a hard for wearing too much make up, and for making Paesyn a friend-zoned douche-bag that hits on a girl whose girlfriend died recently. Let that sink in for abit, and then tell me just how "good" Tera is, in terms of story telling. Not even going to get into that guy-girl-hybrid thing at the SG story line. Talk about freaks. Yikes.

Third. As for leveling.. when it was long, people said its too long. When its fast, people say its too fast. There is no pleasing some people. Leveling is fine, and so is the gear people get for it. Prolonging obligatory means and adding more grinds is NOT appealing imo. You wanna talk about issues while leveling? solo dungeons, story quests without dungeons, that's nothing. Of they wanted to change something for the good, then maybe they should change the fact that when you que as a warrior tank, you might end up with a bralwer, a lancer, all in the same party. I`m not sure if this is intentional or not, but I have seen various combos of that. And it sucks imo. Well, to be frank I don`t really care about all the little things, who struggle and who doesn't. I`m just nitpicking because of i`m bored. But if BHS/EME cares, perhaps they can offer a more in depth tutorial for fresh level 65 players might solve that learning curve issue (make it optional though!). They can add levels of difficultt to it, and simulate dungeon environments with dummies that "fill in" for whatever classes required. Like, a tank would have to hold aggro, and for that he would get NPC dps that frequently dps. Or a healer could have healing and cleansing challenges. I mean, yeah, its not necessary but if they really wanted people to be THIS hand held, they could do that.

Forth. In regards to crafting. This isn't EVE. Grinding in a huge open world environment is VERY different from grinding in a relatively low populated game, and in such small enclosures. So If you think that people hogging IOD is bad, wait until you see level 65 players running around Lumbertown, possibly hassling noobs just for crafting mats. People like talking about boundaries, but thats one option, right. Did you put that into you're equation? speaking of which, the Arsenal update gave us the neat illusion that RNG was gone, and now obtaining gear is easier then it has ever been. Many people don`t like this (because they don`t want to see noobs with BiS), but what about people that have a life and a job? do they count in you're equation? now they can actually get BiS gear quickly, and even get actually get to enjoy using their gear, before it gets replaced. My bank slots are already filled with junk and mats I only use for converting into tokens, why the hell would I ever want to start adding Fine Pilka Fibers and freaking Verdra Plant into to that list? no thanks. Enough is enough. I`m glad crafting is simplified now.

Thats all I really how to say. And, again, I have the upmost respect to you're thread. Its fantastic. If more people made threads like yours, perhaps we might have seen some real changes. But here are some of the things which might also constitute as positive changes worthy of investment, in terms of time and resources (this is for EME, not you).

1) Better communication with the community. Like, really.

2) Better optimization. You tell me that they can make Tera console, Elin Gunners, male brawlers, awakening skills, that talisman thing, and NOT have better optimization on a higher place at their priority list? BHS please take the logical course of action here.

3) Make a personal DPS meter. It won`t kill you.

4) Provide official side client solutions, or whatever you have to do in order to address ping issues. The more things you fix by yourselves, the more people will start appreciating you. Whatever rules or policies you have to go through to make this happen, nobody cares about that process, find a way to get it done.

5) As for in-game content. A) Bring back alliance (CU can`t hold a candle to that). B) if you insist on recycling 24/7, you brought back WH at some point, which was cool. But what about RENM/HM? that was a great place. Speaking of fun dungeons, what about a revamped version of KG? (id prefer that over that freaking SF or VOK, any day). Speaking of old dungeons, why don`t you bring back BFTP? (Blast from the Past) it was a great idea imo. Fun, easy, and it promoted positive interaction between the newcomers, and the level 65 players (or was it 60? I don`t remember).

6) Better events, and more frequently, so the grind feasts won`t feel so boring.

7) EME, you're forum could use a small personalized blog platform for individual members. Many forums have that, people can write in them without flooding the forums, upload in game pictures or whatever, and it might help to cut down on the amount of people complaining about redundant subjects. Its not a biggy, but it might be neat.
Digivolve wrote: »
It's wonderful having an all-you-can-eat scapegoat known as proxy. Slaying runs in low-end dungeons are done for speedy clears, not to measure e-peens. Because no one cares about KC epeen

Oh forgive me. Perhaps i`ll say it differently. Do I sound like I actually care, Sherlock? I never said he used a proxy, I just theorized what is a more likely of a cause for him getting banned, based on the information and politics available on this site. It was a deduction. What is just or unjust is not up to me, and I did not specify what I thought his intentions were in KC. I didn't do that because It doesn't matter why he was there. Stating the obvious is redundant. You said nobody is dumb enough to risk their +9 account over something so "pleb". You'd be surprised, just as I was surprised to read you're reply. Based on that alone, I wouldn't rule out the option. If you're next reply to me is going to be as whiny as that one, please don't bother.
Well technically the meter is considered as third party software. They could ban over that alone, right. Though I don't think he was banned because of this dps. Some people here seem to be nitpicking over that, and that's not a probable cause. However, if I had to theorize, I would say that there is a high probability that he was banned because he might have been using a proxy. And If that would be the case, even his friends and supporters might not have been aware of that (and even if they were aware, they are not likely to rat him out).

Its just a theory, but it does make some sense. I mean, a +9 SC Valk in KC using slaying is obviously a tryhard, right. Its not unheard of for someone like that to be using a proxy. I could be wrong of course. Just guessing.
Actually I don`t care about these small events and all the petty little communication mishaps that followed. I simply dislike the majority of the current forum staff in general. I barely even read their names anymore, I just look for that official icon and I know to expect one liners and douchebaggery. So I don't bother with them unless I need something. I see most of them as "drones" of obligatory information. See some people buy into that whole "tell us you're constructive criticism" crap, but I think that they simply don`t care, that they see these things as a mild annoyance they have to take part in officially, and I think that they lack the capacity to do things differently. It might even just be a personality thing. And if you don't like someone, if the rub you the wrong way, that's just how it is. What can a person say to that? "this is all circumstantial, get to know them better?" no thanks ive seen enough. Just do you're job, will you.

On the bright side though, the only staff member ive noticed that carries himself decently (imo), is Spacecats. Ive noticed alot of people judge him based on his management skills. Thats fair I guess. But I personally think he is trying (maybe too hard), and he seems down to earth. Just an opinion.
You said that you have been playing for 7 years. Thats fair. Though pardon me for asking, after all these years of experience and reflection, THIS is what rattles you up? seriously? lol
Ray676 wrote: »
How's that EME [filtered] taste bud? make sure you cup the [filtered] too, eme shill dog

I`m going to be perfectly honest with you. I don`t usually care when I see people going at each others throat. In most cases it amuses me, and the anarchist in me thinks that humbling someone, especially council members, can be a good thing sometimes. When people feel too comfortable at their seats, it can turn them sloppy and arrogant. Not to mention lazy. So to that extent, i`m not going to bother you with moral conduct, and I trust that by now you can clearly understand that the only opinion I support is my own. There is a cretin freedom in that. See? i`m not an advocate of EME, and I don`t care about either of you. Felt like I should mention that so you will not confuse between arguments and statements.

That being said.. what you are doing right now is tasteless, pointless and ignorant (statements/opinions). This is what you're reply looks like. Look, I don`t know you're history with Counterpoint mind you, however, from what I can tell he generally has good intentions and he wants to believe in the game and in its community. He mostly wants to help. Which is ALOT more then I can say for myself. However. While its true that he might be bias towards cretin subjects, as a council member would be (common sense), he certainly does not go around attacking people on a personal level. And I really think that all this salt you're throwing at him, isn't called for and its rather silly. You're hating on a individual person, when you're complaints should be aimed at the system itself. I mean you're implying that he is a "EME lackey", right? so if we follow that trail of thought, what kinda idiot goes to a store and complains about a product before a salesmen, instead of going directly to the manager? like, you can hate Bill Gates, but chances are that you're still using Windows. Same idea.

And on that note, ive taken the library to read some of you're posts in other places, trying to understand where you're animosity comes from. And the common "motif" you seem to have, are complaints at the game and its developers. You should know that taking that out on him isn't going to change anything. What you're doing right now, just makes you come out stupid. See i`m not going to tell you some self righteous crap like: "lets all be friends and work together to make the game great!". I`m not going to tell you that because that would fail. Why? well first off Its not THAT great of a game, and, lets face it, you couldn't pull off a Boycott on Tera, even if you wanted too. Second, when you insult people like a child would, you will only earn the respect of people that don`t matter. You did not accomplish anything by doing this.

P.S:
Before you attempt to come at me with some forth-grade comeback and insinuations, please understand that i`m not doing this for his sake at all. As I said before, I don`t care about either of you. I`m doing this for my own sake, being as I am allergic to stupidity. Nothing more, nothing less.
Are you seriously blaming a company for promoting itself, while finding new ways to reach into peoples wallets? lol

Okay i`ll say it differently. Look, you're basically right, okay. Its a greasy scam. Hands off. Calling Argon Front gear as "high-end" was abit too much, and I can understand why newcomers might find that as being misleading. When I saw it even I was, like, "high-end? really? was that the only way to describe that? lol". But there in lays a small part of my point. You see, I am sure that some people out here could argue with you that this promotion (that's what it is) is aimed at new players, almost exclusively. And some people can also say that what you are doing, is that you're basically judging this case through you're own point of view, as someone that's already familiar with the game and its aspects. Now, I dunno how many newcomers you met, but the ones that I have met... well... lets just say that a fresh player is not likely to reach level 65 in 3h, okay? id even say that some of them might even waste one hour just creating their character. You know, because the default faces are meh. See the problem in my opinion, is that both of those arguments (veteran common sense vs exploited noobs) are.. well.. no offense, kind of boring and useless. Its nitpicking over a promotion that doesn't really effect either of you.

Besides. If you think about it, if they don`t scam newcomers, then who are they going to scam? I mean supposedly they can`t scam veterans like you, right. Most veterans and even average players already know how to obtain things for free. They need some kind of a source of income to keep the game going, or at the very least, have something to offer new players. And in a promotion like this, what do you expect them to say exactly? think about this.

Would you play a game that tells you THIS: "Welcome to Tera! its F2P! so don`t bother with EMP - we have a more popular game sponsoring us anyway (google it) - so don`t bother paying us for a level 60 scroll, just get a friend to powerlevel you! you need gear? no problem! join a guild that doesn't mind carrying you. You're going to be carried for at least several weeks anyway, so why not! its going to take you even longer to enchant everything. Oh, you want outfits? mounts? well we overprice stuff from 2014, and the none-flying mounts are basically useless - so don`t bother paying us, get into crafting! get rich in a week so you won`t even need EMP!".

I`m being sarcastic, obviously. But what I said would be equally unfair to the developers. I hope you get what i`m trying to say. Game developers want money even from a F2P game. You can either deal with it, or drug yourself to the point obscurity so you won`t have to deal with pesky realities such as this. Though if you insist on seeing a real evil corporation that steps on the little guy, well.. then you don`t need to look so far. Just go to the bank.
Xristosx wrote: »
Well since your a costumer your needs for the game are actually handled pretty well as they release costumes for the game every couple of weeks or so, so you have pretty regular content and your needs are met.
I am play the game and i was seeing effects from the change with all the people i was playing with that i knew and people who i didn't know. But we can just shut down any negative criticism if you want and instead let the entire forums be a echo chamber.

Costumes? I never even addressed that subject. There is no need for guessing games, Its easier to ask someone what they care about. Though since you brought that up, i`m glad to hear that you (and you're friends?) seem to be satisfied with that aspect of the game. If that was suppose to be some kind of a comeback or insinuation, then this might as well be an echo chamber. You made more sense the first time around. Try again maybe.
Xristosx wrote: »
It is a big deal if we keep allowing them to take things away, it sets a precedent that the community will blindly follow their decisions. As some people have said in other places. You give a publisher a inch and they'll take a mile, they'll keep pushing the boundaries of whats allowed. Yeah you're also right i shouldn't pay elite with real money, people instead can just keep buying random 30 day elite vouchers off the broker that someone probably bought with a stolen credit card. My point when i mention i actually pay with real money to the game is i'm actively supporting the game. If there weren't people willing to pay for elite or any other thing in the store the game would die from all the people freeloading off it.

Its a F2P game, and its assets and policies are not set by the community itself. Publishers and game developers are two separate entities. So to that legal extent, you're definition of boundaries or what you feel should be "allowed" in the game, its not relevant. Though since you mentioned people following blindly, as if they were sheep, then by all means make a real stand and stop supporting it. You are here on you're own accord, and have kept playing along with everything they have done for, like, what, 3 years you said? do you think that makes you any different from the community you accuse? like I said before, its a meaningless argument. You seem to be addressing me under the impression that I care about the same things you care about. That is not the case. Far from it, actually.

Xristosx wrote: »
It's called me being tired of being silent on problems EME creates, they have shown in the past 3 years of me playing that they are only reactionary and do what they please even if its harmful to the community until a mass outbreak of complaints happens. This is why i have a very specific attitude. I don't like arguing for the sake of arguing, but there's a point you need to stand up for yourself.
I'm not one to normally put forth my opinion as i usually like to stay quiet so forgive me if my ramblings aren't very palatable.
I guess i'll stop soon and just go back to being a quiet player until EME cause's another problem that they made because they don't play the game.

I think you're biggest problem is that you are taking this game too seriously. Maybe its time to take a different approach. You said so yourself, that you have been putting up with the same junk for three years, right? thats a long time to be taking things up the antsy, and still bother with trying to make sense of things. Because if you think about all the things which have been said and done, nobody can help you. Not EME (which are bound by legal implications), not the player council (they will not bite the hand that feeds), certainly not me (120% selfish, remember?), and not the community (which in you're words "keeps playing along"). So what is the conclusion? you cant beat the system on you're own, and you are not really a victim because staying here is on you.

Its not that I don`t understand what you're trying to say.
I do get it. But you make no difference. That was my point all along.
Xristosx wrote: »
I'm not saying I'm more important

That is exactly what you are saying though. You're just sugar coating that with a long rational to appeal to the wider audience, making a "stand" as it were, but mostly for you're own sake. And, no, I don`t have a problem with that. I respect it. Though you might as well admit it, at this point. To me it seems like you're just trying argue. Which is cool, I love reading other peoples arguments. But yours seems abit over the top, and overly self righteous. Then again, I suppose staffs member wouldn't tell you that to you're face, to keep up cretin appearances.

See, as a costumer myself, I feel that my needs are the only ones that matter. Because in my mind, you, the player council, the EME staff, is here to cater my own needs in various shapes and forms, and even seemingly good Samaritans like yourself also play an important part, because you can complain over things for me. Every tool has a use, and I can selectively disregard any opinion or remark which does not serve my interests. Same goes for people that seem overly bias, and SJW`s that sprout nonsense just for sake of coming out as "caring". Can you see my point? 120% selfishness. There is no need put up this act, just own it.

And... you seem to be making a big deal over nothing. The CCB thing isn`t a big deal imo, and paying for Elite with real money is on you.
This game is not p2w. Yes, there are plenty of EMP mongers, broker monopolizers, and no-lifers out there with too much time on their hands, and a credit to match. But that does not mean you need to spend real money to achieve the desired result. I keep hearing people crying "p2w" but its really just a minor case of ignorance to what can physically be done, in a relatively short period of time.

Here. I`ll give you one example so that you may understand that i`m not here to belittle you. I won`t make this into a useless reply. Pick a class or two, and start getting into crafting (aka the "theme" of the current patch). Save up until you can reach "Armour Master" and/or "Weapon master", and start investing in Golden Darcis, Golden Plates, and Silver Plates. You want free Golden Talents? (mats) sure. Grind Island of Dawn, particularly the low tier Bams which are weak, and give the most mats. You can speed that process up by adding KC/SF (quick mat sources) into you're grind, since IOD is a soul killer. Doing this in a smart way even for a week or two, will sponsor alot more then just reaching Stormcry. Oh I know whats you're next problem now. You need gear XP, right? but you have no real static, you're guild is dead, and you're abit "dungeon shy". There is a solution to that as well. Reach Frostmetal, and grind easy stuff like SCNM/LKHM/KDNM. If you're shy from the hard dungeons, those are good alternatives for XP.

If you do this process slowly without exhausting yourself, within a month you will be swimming in gold and you will venture into the true endgame content: Costumes and Vouchers. Then you will find yourself dealing with dilemmas you never really gave much thought into before. Like: Does the new Pop costume look like an overly expensiveness two-cent rehash of other stuff, who buys those things? why does the phoenix mount look like a chicken without eyes, are they intentionally overpriced to match their place on the `ugly-meter`? why don`t all the dragons give buffs? and if I had them all, would I get an achievement that says "sugar daddy"? it is all these questions and more, that you will be able to answer. With gold. Lots and lots of gold.

Putting all jokes aside, this is not my own way of making gold, but its a good start for returning players, for people that are "stuck", and newcomers alike. I already have several Stormcry sets for my --alts. I`ll admit that I am lazy, and have used gold to enchant my alts, instead of grinding dungeons for XP. That`s what mains are for. So guilty as charged of being a sloth. However, I must have done something right. Which is why I don`t consider this game as being p2w. Sorry. If anything making gold is practically brainless, and I have never spent real money on enchanting.
I agree with some of the points you have made, but I would like to point out a few things in regards which I do not entirely agree with.

You mentioned that the game has become a "soul-rotting grind". That`s a fair opinion. Then again, if you take a gander at some of the other online games of this genre, as far as grinds go, Tera is fairly simple and quick in terms of what you can do, what you "need" to do on a basis, and its relatively quick in terms of in-game progression and amassing sufficient founds to sponsors you're in-game needs. And it can all be done in a relatively short period of time, in compare to games which are more in fashion to what you describe as "soul-rotting". Like, if you want to go by different "versions" of the same product, I have heard that the grinds on K-Tera are pretty intense. I don`t care enough to look that up, but its a Korean MMORPG. Grinds are kind of a given, wouldn't you say? id even go as far as saying that despite the game being more "grindy" right now, its still kind of easy even for casual players. Like, you can obtain a full Stormcry set without even going into a single dungeon. In fact, you can become very wealthy in a matter of weeks if you know what you're doing. if anything, there in lays the real problem.

Another thing you mentioned, about the so called "competition" between console Tera and those other games you mentioned. Even if you would compare between games of the same genre (instead of comparing Tera with `triple A` FPS games), then, I`m sorry, but there is no competition. I don`t think that they made Tera console just for the sake of "milking" some more money. I think that Steam is a more likely candidate to what you are suggesting. Though be that as it may, they are not that stupid and I don`t that they are delusional about this product. If anything, I may not be an expert on these things, but I hope that it is through this "console experiment" that they are doing (imo), that we will somehow finally get some much needed optimization and official solutions to problems that have been plaguing the PC version of Tera, for quite some time now. And when I say "some time", I mean years.

Will Tera console fail? in compare to the success the PC version had, yes. Though I think it was ever designed for greatness, in the first place.
Failed games die. This one is far from peeking, and it might meet its grave someday. But not yet.
After looking at the reward list, i`m kind of disappointed by the overwhelming lack of crafting materials. Crafting seems to be a big theme right, so it would have been nice if they would have dropped some Golden Darics or Plates into these rewards. Maybe even a diamond or two, for the people that want more then just cosmetics and silver tiaras. Overcrowding Island Of Dawn is tolerable I guess, but I`m also disappointed that the catalysts won`t be dropping at starter dungeons like RG,SF,KC etcetc, being as fresh level 65 players would probably prefer doing actual dungeons, over grinding those mindless "stick figures" at IOD. Maybe this is just my opinion, but I think that fresh players are not likely to jump into Thaumetal Refinery Hard Mode or RK-9 Kennel. This isn't even about player skill or finding a static, they physically won`t get Vanguard rewards without having the item level for those dungeons.

The new patch is great btw. I`m loving the new crafting system. Thumbs up all the way on that. If only they would have adjusted the catalyst event accordingly, this would have been fantastic. I mean, the Smart Dyad Niveot, the EMP, and the pets are practical rewards, and the Devilicious and Scrubs Costumes are great. But everything else is just... junk. I hope that the RNG on the catalysts is favorable this time around.
JasonTERA wrote: »
This is very minor issue and 99.99999 % people will not care, I know. But I want them not to make any confusing as a game management.

Well I think that the reality of the situation, is that unless you get 99.99999 % of the people to start caring, then all of this is meaningless. I mean, what else is there? more arguing? even if you were absolutely right about something, it wont matter because one person cannot make a difference. In fact, I think you're wasting your breath. Look over some of the comments. The more this keeps dragging out, it makes less of an impact.
JasonTERA wrote: »
Therefore, people who got temporary ban was not cheating? I know it sounds like stupid, but this is why I am asking GMs to clarify their regulations. Why did those people got only temporary ban even if they obviously used 3rd party program?

You are trying to "bait" a publishing company into an open public argument as a single individual, under the argument that they're bans appear to be circumstantial or based on various levels of severity for each case. What you are proposing is essentially an absolute enforcement of policy to its upmost extent, regardless of any technicalities or implications which might be involved in the process. I hope you understand that's not going to happen. Especially not like this.

Hypothetically speaking, lets say that EME had the manpower and ability to address any and all cases as one, in a single day. Lets say that they banned everyone that used third party software, and even found a way to prevent people from being able to use them at all. Lets say that happened. Erasing all those people, as if they were letters on a blackboard. Just like that. Poof. Magic. What happens next? will we be seeing a tranquil and utopian society where all problems are fixed? or will we perhaps witness a lose of a very large and dedicated playerbase? or better yet, do you suppose it would be in a company's interest to act strictly on policy, and set themselves up by creating a public image of a tyrant?

I get what you're saying. But, no offense, if I was a company, even I wouldn't listen to you. I`m not an expert, but (imo) it would be much more profitable to capitalize, exploit, maybe even employ, and explore player-made improvements favorably, and maybe find a way to officially incorporate them into the game. At this point in time, I think that the software can`t be killed, without killing off the community. Perhaps a better argument would be, that if BHS optimized the game experience in the first place, then this situation might have been mediated, or at least downsized.
I think that getting the loot from the event only really requires being present on the same channel, and hitting the boss. This means that "Mr boss man-tank" or people like him, can involuntarily tank for you.

If you know where the spawns are most likely to happen, take a healer or two (or someone with a high enough tire, which can summon), and make sure that this person (or people) has a traveling journal. From that point sync you're own said with each other, and just follow them around and summon you're friends at each boss. You know, like a stalker. This is not very fair or nice, but neither is blackmail. Cheers mate.
gib wrote: »
well to be quite fair, your "functioning product" is more akin to a prototype than the real deal. tera right now is barely functional if you play vanilla.

Tell me about it. Both my ping and FPS are deplorable, and I know for a fact that it has nothing to do with my rig or internet. I play other games too, heavier ones (spec wise), and they all work just fine, even in NA regions. Tera is the only game I play which is so poorly optimized to such an extent that it bothers me. I also play oldschool DOS games, some of which have pixels as big as thumbs. So how a game looks, doesn't bother me, as much as how it functions. So.. yeah.
gib wrote: »
well said. which is why we don't understand why eme and bhs are refusing to cooperate and are ignoring us at every turn. we all know that eme and bhs cant stand to lose the fraction of the playerbase (i'd almost confidently say about 30-50% of active players) because of this. so why are they still refusing to cooperate and implement it in their game? it's not hard. it wouldn't take long.

well i'll tell you why. their ego is too big. they don't want to admit that the problems that have been plaguing their game for years have been fixed by mere players. they won't admit defeat. they'd rather kill their game than have our help. and it sucks. but that's the way that it's been for years and that's the way it will be for as long as this game is around for.

I don`t know about the technicalities, though there has to be more to this then just ego, right? I mean, ego doesn't empty wallets. It can`t be that simple. No game is perfect, but to think that a company would act as if they were a pouty child refusing to go to the dentist, in a game which is obviously experiencing a decline in playerbase. Id like to think that there has to be more to this, some kind of miscommunication or legal issues standing in the way. Maybe things EME/BHS can`t share with us for they're own sake. We don`t know, and will probably never be told the entire story. All that I know is, that player improvements will continue, until people get official ones. And if you think about it, since the game is at the point where one can no longer exist without the other, is that not also a form of admitting defeat? if you were bound legally to act a cretin way like EME, you might have done the same. Maybe many of them are rooting in the shadows and doing what they can behind the scenes, while accepting that they will take the heat for things which are beyond they're control. Id like to think that nobody is dumb enough to wave a while flag, while everyone is still shooting at them.
gib wrote: »
i think you're free to choose what to concern yourself with, which by all means go ahead, but we've all thought that it was "a matter of time" before eme and bhs fixed their problems and guess where that's landed us. right back at the start. it's a vicious cycle and it won't stop until the game is truly gone.

they'd rather lose us for good than accept our help. in a sense, it is game over already.

I concern myself with other games as well, as should any displeased costumer should do. If Tera died today it would be unfortunate, but life goes on. I take into account that maybe everyone's struggles and efforts, would have been entirely in vain, and that eventually BHS will bury Tera and blame it on the community. That would be a [filtered] move but its a very real possibility, and I am not dismissing that at all. But since i`m still here, since you're still here too, the alternative solutions are still here, then I think that being optimistic is the only real option left. If you have a better suggestion, then by all means.
Vindicting wrote: »
@Starkhoe
The problem I think is that you're not very knowledgeable about what had actually happened (given you don't know Noesis - the old Product Manager who got fired over the fiasco). What you're saying is basically all just speculation, we don't need speculations at this point because the facts had been in a long time ago... so there's not much to discuss.

I'm just angry that everything EME had done so far shows either gross negligence/stupidity or an actual contempt for the community. I want this game to get better, the proxy devs made it happen and so EME banned them.

As a costumer I do not need to be knowledgeable, I need a functioning product, and many of the things I said were not just mere speculation. Like proxies are still being used, so there's that. I get it though. Its a long read, so oversights are understandable. Not to mention, not being able to use links (its against the rules) to prove any points. Thats kind of a drag. Don`t worry you don`t have to reply to this.

I understand that you're upset. You have a right to be as a costumer, and I think that you're generally in the right. But I also think you should keep an open mind. You said facts, well, its a fact that EME/BHS can ban people of they're choosing, yeah. Its they're product. But we both know that until all aspects of the game are properly optimized, EME and BHS cannot win the fight against software. For one, if they found a way to prevent people from using all types of third party software (meters & harmless modules included), they will wipe out they're entire playerbase. Meaning, not only can they not afford to do that, they are involuntarily relying on it to keep players in the game. Second, I think they do not legally own the software which creates proxies and modules themselves. Thats outside they're jurisdiction. Meaning, that proxy devs and coders/scripters (whatever), will keep popping up again and again, and keep fighting for improving the game.

In other words: there will continue to be injustices on both sides, but BHS/EME will never be free from this cycle, until they provide an official solution to the pressing matters, along with all around long needed optimizations. But as a costumer, the means and costs are not my concern. So you see, its not just entirely a matter of optimism and wishful thinking, I think its also a matter of time. For companies, the costumer always has to win. Because if they lose for good, its gameover.
Vindicting wrote: »
Do you know why Noesis made that post so many months ago and now they're making huge posts about security while achieving nothing? Because they're stupid. Proxy was quite a niche project but instead of contacting the 3-4 devs actively involved they made a huge fuss publicly triggering a massive Streisand effect in the community. The proxy Discord grew by the thousands overnight thanks to Noesis's incompetence.

Forgive me but i`m afraid i`m not entirely sure who that person is. I`ll assume he is some sort of mod, being as that seems to fit the context (you are welcome to correct me if i`m wrong). Unfortunately, in most cases I don`t commemorate peoples names, unless I find them as being interesting. Generally most mods ive seen here (and in other games) seem either overly monotonic, "conveyors of obligatory information", or simply.. dull enforcement figures. So I don`t usually remember they're names. A classic costumer, I guess. So that`s that. Though most of what I said, are merely logical conclusions ive reached after reading up about whats going on. And what you are describing, is in fact what I was suggesting in the original context: that EME have involuntarily put the game at risk by posting information that perhaps should have been kept under wraps, causing this massive influx themselves, escalating the situation by being put in a position where they feel like they should address the said subject. A double edge sword, of sorts. You are essentially confirming my hypothesis.
Vindicting wrote: »
Let me ask you, if they really cared would they still keep their ego which is bigger than the sun and not even bother testing their "security update" build? When servers went down for maintenance EME and BHS became laughing stocks on Discord and the devs not only predicted memeslash would not be fixed they were even having a stab at each other about how many minutes they think it would take after patch to fix. And guess what? They were right on both counts, and memeslash took the first group like 10-20minutes to fix.

I`m not sure EME had much of a choice though. They are publishers, and too much public attention has been brought to this subject recently, they are probably obligated to respond in this way and posture aggressively. I don`t blame them for anything. As for BHS, the game devs themselves, I think that whats happening right now is the logical trajectory of these self manifested circumstances. They created they're own devils and plausible advocators, by not properly optimizing all features of this product themselves. I guess that might cost a pretty penny for them. But i`m just a costumer, thats not my problem. That being said, right now I believe that they are putting they're best effort into attempting to resolve a game breaking cheat. Id like to believe that because that`s what they are suppose to do. Weather this effort is truly successful or not, remains to be seen (imo).
Vindicting wrote: »
I am not benefiting from a [filtered] company ruining a game I love. For the past 5 years what had EME/BHS done for this game? The very players who wrote the original FPS guide which helped everyone I know be able to log on, and subsequently created scripts that changed our lives forever are villainized by this company who would not even bother fixing their own game properly.

You misunderstand. When I said "you benefit", I was suggesting that you are benefiting from the group efforts of many elements, as one. The game devs, EME, the proxy devs, and whatever other devs exist out there. Weather by protest or other means, many sides appear to be taking on the role of fixing or improving the game. Which is why I suggested to keep on waiting to see who crosses the finish line. I think that's better then becoming overly involved. You said so yourselves, that were (and that there stil are) casualties in this story, and that third party software still exist, regardless of anything. In other words: you are still practically benefiting. Its abit cold to look at it this way, yeah, discarding and casting out all emotional factors and the ones that were sacrificed long the way, for selfish benefits. But this is still a product, and I think that's how it should be treated as. Think about it - someone gets paid to keep things up and running - let this be on them. Thats all i`m saying really.
Vindicting wrote: »
All of us long term players agree that these devs improved the game and improved our experiences at a level EME will never even get close to. I wonder how it feels to be a gaming company with less impact than a few players, and now basically at mercy of those few players? It is very sad and embarrassing

I don't consider myself as a long term invested veteran, and I have no emotional attachment to this game, but I get what you're saying. This whole thing could, and should have been avoided. Id like to correct you on one aspect though. You are not at the mercy of anyone. You can choose how to think about this, and you can also choose what to do next. Before being a player, you are a costumer. Which is always the end result. I get that you're invested in the game, but overall, if you are not satisfied, and have lost all hope in things ever changing, then maybe you should play a different game. Nobody would blame you. Also, If you want, you are more then welcome to address me in private, and perhaps fill me in on more sides of this story. You seem to have alot to say, and I don`t mind listening. Just an idea. I mean, because of this Memeslash thing I don`t feel like logging in away. Might as well pass the time. Thinking positively is more effective then thinking negatively.
Vindicting wrote: »
I have been losing interest in Tera recently and if this embarrassing situation isn't amended by EME quickly, I guess this is the nail in the coffin. Probably not just for me either.

Perhaps I might offer a different prospective. A part from things ive mentioned before (which you are welcome to check out), you can also view these current predicaments in a different light. One which works in you're favor.

For one, EME are in fact showing you that they do care about these things, even at a risk to them. Why risk? think about it, when you go on and publish information about stuff like hacks and exploits, you are infact pointing people at particular directions. That move alone can greatly increases the number of users which were previously unaware of what exactly all the hype is about. How many new players do you suppose have read up on these recent issues - because - they are being raised - and have taken liberty to apply such fixes or hacks for themselves. Second, by posting and protesting about these things consistently, they are unwillingly suggesting how easy it is it for someone to actually hack or use third party software. Further more, if you think about it, people that use the hardcore stuff (hacks, or whatever) already have everything they could ever want in the game. Meaning, its likely that many of the people that post hacking videos frequently, are not trying to break the game for everyone. But rather, that they are making a protest about issues and exploits in game. Maybe its they're way fo saying: "Look at all these issues, can you please fix them?". One could argue about methods, but nobody would argue about practical results. Maybe thats what many of them are going for, pushing the game devs to reevaluate (or improve) issues which they feel are not being taken seriously enough. This isn't black and white, whats "wrong" and whats "right" can be widely interpreted.

And I for one only care about results and my own interests. And I hope others feel the same. I say, say your concerns, but be a bystander. Wait this out. Let the fighters fight among themselves. Because you are the one that will benefit from either result. Weather it be through peacefully means such as causing fluid communications and more awareness over existing issues, or weather it be by watching everything burn to the ground and seeing the community hack the game to death, the only person that will benefit from changes, will be you. Think of everything that's happening, as if it were a TV show, you win automatically just by being there.
N3PF5NGPD6 wrote: »
How you dare!!! You should absolutely suffer for not having low ping and must always do subpar dps and have a subpar gaming experience as compared to low ping players. Quoting a certain autist from previous page - "they wanna be the same with 300 ping with someone with 100 ms ping?"

I find it difficult to hold people to they're words, if they appear to suffer from severe [filtered]. I would prefer to offer my condolences, along with handing over a cherry flavored lollipop. That way everybody wins. Including the dentist.
N3PF5NGPD6 wrote: »
So , no , we won't get rid of horrific ping taxes (at least in a official and legal way) as long as this community has these kind of players who believe its correct for high ping players to have subpar gaming experience as compared to low ping players.

You misunderstand. I am aware that there will not be a change anytime soon, and I do not hold the community responsible for technicalities which are beyond they're control. I won`t even blame the toxic and stupid ones, because they are merely users of a platform that was given to them. You can ignore those which you feel are beneath you. Though all I can do is hope that one day these issues will be resolved, as it have been done in many other games.
Catservant wrote: »
4. Anyone else finding it odd that we are still talking to each other about this? I'm glad we are, I think it's a very useful, but honestly I expected to be hit with the Wrath of the Mods by now.

I don`t think its odd. This thread is mostly informative, and alot of people very feel strongly about theses subject, as these are issues which effect everyone. Like, i`m one of those people which are strongly against game breaking hacks, and I appreciate EME (or whoever) for attempting to resolve game breaking issues. And, no, this is not a PR (public relations) educing reply, I genuinely do not care about anyone's circumstances (BHS/EME included), ideology, or counter-arguments. These are not my problems as a costumer. The only things I care about, are results. And I think its good that threads are being made around these subjects because this is not a black and white issue. I think it would be a mistake to cover everything under the rug. Only a fool would try to bury issues which have existed long before they ever did.

Though I think that you're right. If people would be more respectful towards each other, if they find a common ground despite petty disagreements, they would help create a more positive change. But not for the game Devs sakes - for themselves. And, no, I am not taking a moral high ground - I don`t care if a positive change would be born from utter chaos or from tranquil communication. I`m selfish, I just want the game to be played as it was intended: without horrific pings taxes and without game breaking hacks.
To make a long story short: healing is fundamentally easy, and that's in regard to the act of healing itself (debuffing up time and dpsing as healer, are separate subjects). In a nutshell, it all comes down to how much you understand how to utilize the class, as well as familiarizing yourself with the dungeons you intend to do. If you get good in that, most dungeons should be a walk in the park.

That being said, healing can also be thought of as being subjective. Harder dungeons, require a more intense gameplay, and sometimes staying alive can become a challenge on itself (in addition to preforming other healer functionalities, which should be applied during dungeons). Not to mention challenges which are beyond you're control. Challenges such as poor party compositions and god awful players. You could be the best healer in NA, and still wipe because the party members where not well quietened enough with the dungeon/raid you are doing with them. Sometimes you could even wipe because of lack of DPS, which is straight up beyond you're control (even as a DPS mystic).
Halrath wrote: »
As a side-effect however, the update will also render many other third-party tools/mods unusable.

People are making so much noise, when the answers are in front of they're eyes. People need to chill. Look at the bright side, at least they are openly admitting that they only care about game breaking cheats. So keep you're pants on. They know that meters and most quality of life/ping improvements are not the real devil. And even if they were, too many people rely on them at this point in time, so they won`t kill something that keep the players playing, and keeps the buyers buying. Legal posturing required.

As for the game breaking cheats, like that god awful video someone posted, I think they owe it to the community to do something about that. Really. Fine, so they won`t give people a reason to stop using proxies (like fixing ping issues or whatever), people are used to that already. You know, because not providing a permeate solution for ping issue, is on them. However, I think they should at least give people a reason to log into the game. Why am I saying that now? because you see, when people use junk like that Memeslash to break the already broken in-game economy, then I for one am very reluctant to use one of its core features (the broker). And I think that anyone with two cent of brain (and competitive players alike) should be against these things. Its extreme and unnecessary.
Officially? the system Tab calculates you're DPS for you. Crunch in some numbers if you really want to know. Unofficially? don`t rely on software to improve yourself. Read some online guides. Practice. You can even do it old school by looking at HP bars, and check out how much of an impact you're DPS does, in compare to others. Its rugged, but it works (surprisingly).

You're a fresh level 65 (supposedly). Even if you obtained a meter right now, you probably wouldn't like the results anyway. What you really need though, is gear and a decent guild. Aim for those. Meters won`t make you a better player, adapting better makes you a better player.
High ping classes? id say Valkyrie and Archer. Maybe even Sorcs and Gunners, if you understand which rotations to apply. Those classes are not that difficult (imo), but they are relatively "ping friendly". That being said, I think that all classes can give a decent amount of DPS output if you take the time to understand how to play them. Some rotations are more effective then others. Read some guides, get used to the spikes, and have fun!
Actually self promotion is not so different from propaganda. And.. this is not the only Info-graphic. There is one on Steam which tells a different story. I`m just saying...
Reporting and creating awareness is a good start, but I think if you want something to be done about that particular incident, then you might need to provide some physical evidence (pictures/video) of the said hacking. Expecting mods to be on patrol 24/7, is expecting too much. Even if you would somehow get a group effort going on and get the entire raid to report them (which I doubt happened), who knows how many player logs where submitted before yours. In other words, being on call 24/7 for every-single-report, is not something you should expect. EME are not going to hire a equivalent amount of mods, based on report numbers. Nobody does that.

That being said, I think that you are correct about how not enough is being done to prevent these things from happening. Ive even said that myself in various other threads. Though, contrary to popular belief, I believe that the wheels will keep spinning, and the sheep will keep grazing. People keep saying that this will kill the game. No it won`t. Hacking/Injections happen in other games, yet, most games seem to live on. Gotta be realistic. Interestingly enough, people make so much noise about BGs and PVP exploits, yet, seem to be content with other things. I`m not an expert, but I think that in Tera there are probably more PVE related Injections, then ones meant for PVP (CS not being the most sought after). Just my two cents.
Teekz wrote: »
Someone gets it.

I sent you a list of games, but then I got this:

"[Removing section of Post due to Forum Violation : Any promotion of non-En Masse Entertainment, non-TERA commercial ventures. / Any links or advertisements to download software or games which are not published or endorsed by En Masse Entertainment]".

Thats some BS right there. I guess someone couldn't keep they're pants on. Always the pencil pushers. Figures. Anyway. No matter. Teekz, send me a private msg if you're interested, and ill send you a list of games which resemble Tera. That shouldn't be against the rules. Hopefully lol
Teekz wrote: »
And ive already got a guild who merged during the one day they said it was "fixed" while i was at work and guess what they went down the later that day and have been down. Sure recommend some games

I`m sorry to hear that. We are on the same boat. Though i`m glad you understand that arguing with people is pointless, as it is a never ending cycle that gets you nowhere. "Beating" someone in this argument is kinda easy actually, there are no brain surgeons in here. But honestly, its not worth the time. And if you're T10 as you stated earlier, then sounds to me like you spent alot of time, and perhaps its time to spend it on something thats worth your while. Self interest is key, always.

Here are some games you might want to check out, i`ll list the ones which resemble Tera`s gameplay (assuming this is the genre you want):

"Riders of Icarus", "Skyforge", "Dauntless", "Secret World Legends", "SoulWorker", "Blade and Soul", "Neverwinter", "Guild Wars 2", "Black Desert" (not F2P yet, but it will be), "Bless onilne" (not F2P, but can be played with a VPN).

On a side note: even Tab targeting games can be played in more of a "action sense", if you tweak you're shortcrust to manual activation, and place skills on top each other, so that they will activate one after the other. Doing this saves you the trouble of using a Macro, if you're interested in competitive gameplay, without cheating. It might not seem like much, but by doing this you can enjoy action based combat in a much wider array of games. BNS for example is very sloppy if you don`t tweak the keys. But if you get it right, its a whole new ballgame. Same goes for other targeting games. You can create you're own rotations, and control everything manually.
Teekz wrote: »
Selfish tantrum for waiting over a month for something that should be fixed, EME waiting for a "new build" we all know how thats gonna go. You'd think they would realize thid issue ans manually xfer chars

You know, I am no where near being an advocate of EME or BHS. You can read some of my previous replies on this thread, if you don`t believe me. I think that a lot of BS is going around this subject, and that dedicated players will say just about anything to make you come out ignorant - even if they agree with you. Why? its the internet and a smart person wont bite the hand that feeds. Do the math. However, that being said... even I understand that waiting is the only option available on this subject. However, there are alternatives. You said that you've been waiting for a month, right? so here are a few things you can do to pass you're time:

1) you can play a different game for the time being, or quit altogether. I can recommend some pretty good action based games, if thats what you're into. Some of them are even better then Tera, if you ask me.

2) open some alts on the server you want to transfer too and put them to use: make some passive farmers so you will have more gold when you move in with you're main. You're already going to be there at some point in time, right? so why not make the best of it? if you're stuck in a dead server, then now you will have something to do. And while you're at it, go make some connections there. Why not. Join a guild, or check out guilds you might be interested in. It works. You can tell them you're story and make some friends along the way. That way when you get you're main there, you will already be somewhat established, and you can get down to businesses.

3) You could continue to do what you're doing, and blame the messengers (EME). But thats not gonna get you anywhere. In fact, if you really feel that strongly about this, then address BHS yourself. They are the ones pulling the strings, not EME. Contact them. And if you feel like you're own voice might not be enough to reach them, then rally more people to you're cause. Make some kind of petition or protest which involves more players. Make some real noise, make some chaos, get dedicated. Become part of a statistic, because one person is meaningless. This suggestion probably wont work though. But, hey, if you got nothing better to do, literally, then go for it.
Scrap wrote: »
no...
no, not...
it can't be...
NOOO NOT TONKA


(off topic but fun fact: my pug's name is Tonka, his breeding name is Cole's Trained Tonka Tanker.
I always break out grinning when I think about them having the same name.)

Oh yes...
And... taking over Tera is only the beginning! first comes Tera. Tomorrow? the world!

You have a pug? that's pretty cool actually :O
Shinku89 wrote: »
Yeah, but usually LFG parties are made of friends, so trying to kick is usually ineffective and just causes fights, so I prefer to leave if it's too trappy.

You can get creative though. Scare them off with some fake Spanish. Been told it does wonders for the sinuses. Fake Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, go full international on the entire party, if that's what it takes. Anything that can imply that you're ping is horrible should do the trick. Though make sure to "throw" in some emogies into the mix. Bad ones. Strange ones. Ones you make up as you go along. Demonstrate a strong and keen will of a person attempting to overcompensate for the seemingly immense language barrier, and you're likely to empty out at least 5/10 parties. No one will want to stick around, or at the very least, they might assume that you have brain damage, and loose all interest in talking. Like.. at all.

Take a friend with you so they can`t kick you. Safety first!
Scrap wrote: »
@Spacecats poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses

And we are living in the dark ages, it seems. Though you're not thinking BIG enough. Don`t you know that Spacecats is just the fallback guy? I think that the real mastermind behind all of this, is none other then ex community manager, Tonka. He did leave Tera before things started to go downhill. Thats a fact. And THATS suspicious!
To answer you're questions: (ill try to be practical)

1) You should start by joining a server called "Celestial Hills" (more likely to have an RP community). Then join a guild that accepts newbies, and actually helps them. No real politics though, more like: "Hey can you help me?", "sure id love too!", "hey can I get carried? my ping is over 9000! oh wait, my cat is going nuts all over my face hahah", "sigh. fine...". Might not be the type of "hands-on" politicking you seem to be interested in, but thats as good a justice as any, if you ask me.

2) Obtain BiS gear, and max everything you've got in you. People seem to respond well to that. Again, not sure if people will discuss guild politics with you, or, at least not the type you seem to be hoping for. But.. they will surely have an interest to hear you out. Like, really. If you're a full +15 with BiS gear and everything maxed, you could even say that you're one of those "furries", and people will still be like: "oh.. ermm..yeah.. thats cool. So.. HH?! (its an endgame raid)"

3) Mission? stay sane.

If you're looking for more a intense (actual politicking) RP experience, then Tera might not be for you (imo). Though I would suggest checking out a F2P game called "Secret World Legends", which has more of a political themed concept. Or if you're looking for something on a larger scale, you might wanna check out "Eve Online" (also F2P). That game is pure politics.
There hasn't been enough information yet, so you're guess is as good as anyone else. Though I can give you a speculation based on what ive noticed in different games that crossed platforms, along with some of my own estimations.

1 - You will probably need a new account entirely. I don`t know the technical details, but id assume that if they are using new servers (or whatever else new), then it is likely that they will consider the new version of Tera as being a separate entity entirely, and that it will be treated as such.

2 - I believe that they will want to create a separation between the PC and console community. Managing two different entities of the same product would be much easier (imo) then, lets say, having to separate between addressing the communities demands. You know, technical issues, content, credit transactions, etcetc. Thats just a small example, i`m sure you could come up with more. Also, it is probable that the PC community might be a little hostile towards the console community, given the nature of the console controllers themselves, being slower to operate then a mouse and a keyboard. Many people already act toxic towards newcomers, so imagine how they would react towards players that genuinely have a slower in hands-on response time, regardless of determination or skill. Not to mention other aspects. Like, if the console version will have better ping, better FPS (which it will probably have), then those alone are enough to become a subject of controversy on themselves. Ive even heard of people that bought different graphic cards, tweaked they're options, read online guides to no end and much more, all in the hopes of improving their game play experience.

3 - Most likely. Some people play PC Tera via console controllers, so why not. Though even if you can`t achieve that by using official conventional tweaks offered via the platform itself, i`m sure that overtime alternatives will present themselves.
Spacecats wrote: »
The intention has already been communicated. When server transfers are able to be re-enabled, the TERA team will re-enable them. At the moment we're waiting for a fix and there is a lot of attention on the issue. There are no current plans for any server merges.

Obvious things are obvious. Still no real resolve. Though no server merge huh? well that`s unfortunate. Once the fix is done, I guess people will still need to reach into their wallets in order to get anywhere, instead of getting a better deal. Oh well. Though I guess it would make some sense, since I think that merging a server with pvp options like FF, could cause some discomfort for people if it were merged with a pve server (like CH for example).

Thank you for the obligatory information. Appreciated.
There is a limit to that "powerlessness" and people are finding that out when they push the line clearly too far. And to be honest, it's easy to fall in a clique where you believe you're the irreplaceable majority, when you're actually just a vocal minority. I really do fear that some people will take that confidence to their proverbial graves.

Oh everyone is replaceable. For sure. So are games, companies and publishers. Then again, I don`t think they can afford to start all over from scratch. I don't think anything can change that possible hypothesis, at this point in time. Ending the golden goose as it were, terminating accounts or banning the largest player base. It is likely that some birds fall from the nest before they learn to fly, and might be made an example of. For sure. But no company or publisher would be this foolish. Digging a few dozen graves (lets be honest) for the expendables is one thing, but committing [filtered] is another. You seem to be a reasonable person, much nicer then I am, for sure. But surely you realize that I could be right about this.
They didn't even need to -- they did do the talking themselves. But it doesn't help, which is the point. Talk less? It's a conspiracy to not admit the truth. Talk more? It's part of a giant cover-up/disinformation campaign. (Player council member says something? They were thrown in to spread the disinformation!) There is no winning with some people. It's exhausting and ultimately pointless.

This so called conspiracy is utter garbage, even the mere suggestion of this possibility is ridicules. I saw people blame Spacecats (which doesn't really play the game, to be fair) and the player council (which probably care more about them game, then of the forums) for just about every problem there is the game. Any person that has a life or a respectable job, wouldn't commit themselves to such a stupid ordeal. And while it is possible that some of the people mentioned might fall into the "no lifer" category, it wouldn't change the fact that this "conspiracy" wouldn't make anyone of those people richer or smarter. Its just.. idiocy. Well personally I just want a server transfer or a server merge, and I don`t care who gets done, or how.
the truth about the fact that people exploiting/abusing the game are ruining things for others who play by the rules -- people get upset about the perceived "tone", get angry about the fact that they're not getting the answers they wanted, and get suspicious of every single utterance as if it's some giant lie or conspiracy. And then they wonder why EME isn't more communicative.

I somewhat agree with that statement, in particular. I think that the truth is that the sheer amount of people that abuse the rules or exploit the game, has grown to the point, where they are the vast majority, to the point where nothing can be done to them. How many people use meters and side clients? if they ban -all- of those, they will kill too much of the player base, and Tera is already not at the best spot right now. Thats how bad things really are imo. EME probably knows that, but are forced by protocol to parade the terms of use, when that subject comes up. Powerlessness. I think that's the truth. Why would anyone attribute any sort of conspiracy here, is beyond me.

Though now that I think about it, if I was EME, I wouldn't want to communicate with people either. "Throwing" dedicated Samaritans at people, player council members, and glorified secretaries, would be the way to go. Id let other people do the talking. Hell, if I was EME, I think that these days id do everything I could, to rid myself of the responsibility of having to deal with this game. Though server transfers are kind of a minimal thing. If I were EME id get on that, or merge servers. I`m just saying.
Oh effortless dungeons I don`t really care. Come as you are. I`d be cool with: newbies, healers that don`t heal, tanks that can`t hold aggro, DPS with x4 pounding, none-English speakers attempting to hint about they're horrific ping, bf`s gallivanting they're gf`s, I would accept the whole lot. I would even be cool with people who are genuinely kinda stupid and overly vocal about it. Its like kicking someone from CW or BRNM, nobody does that and its not really necessary.

Though if its a HM dungeon or something that requires proper gameplay, i`ll attempt to vote kick anyone that doesn't function on a basic level. Same goes for people that cant keep it together, attitude wise. If someone in the party is doing a learning run that's fine by me, but that should be specified (LFG). I rarely complain about people in IMS though, as it would be my own fault for going on one of those joy rides.
I think that addressing this subject isn't practical due to the legal terms of use. But more importantly, addressing this subject is not really necessary. For one, DPS meters exist and are being used, imo, probably by just about everyone, including the people that write DPS guides, and including people on the player council. I cant even estimate how many people would stop playing, if third party software was really such a huge "game breaking" problem for the game devs. Ive said this in other places: if they really got more into killing the software usage, as they are obligated to state, then they would effectively kill the game. I believe they know this.

Our feedback are things they already know, and its more then likely that EME are probably powerless to support this openly. You can also say the same argument over side-client solutions to reduce ping, as well as various optimizations to fix FPS issues. EME knows this, everyone knows about these things, but officially they have to continue barking at this tree. Its they're job. "Keeping up appearances", if you will. They have to advocate the terms of use, even if some might not agree with all of them.

P.S:
There is a system tab that calculates you're damage for you. Its a nasty, but theirs that too.
I am aware these are different issues, but I figured why not. I saw people complain (myself included) about that whole server transfer thing, and people got into various arguments about the technical details of that, who is responsible and for what, and how it may or may not be of a high enough priority for BHS. Well I am not a fan of such arguments. I`m just a simple and selfish buyer that wants to avoid spending cash on a none-functional feature. So ill present my arguments under a hypothetical assumption, that the technical details have been solved, and that my suggestions could technically be implemented. I don`t care how, lets say it was done by magic. The details are not my concern, as this is just a suggestion.

1 - Merge the dead servers. Doesn't really matter with whom. It would save me (and others like me) the trouble of spending money when then the technical details will be resolved, involving the issues around the server transfer. Imagine that the server transfer got fixed, then a month later, servers got merged. That would be quite a scandal for those that realized they spent money for something they could have gotten for free, if they only waited. I realize that doing this might cost a few pennies that could have been squeezed from people fleeing the dead places, but I think that merging is a better option. Communication is key here, but I am sure that if people knew they had something better to expect, and save themselves a few pennies along they way, they would wait peacefully until they get a full resolve. And, much like many other issues ive noticed, I think that if people knew that this was going to happen, they would be alot more inclined to wait peacefully, without going on a thread bonanza complaining about issues which cannot be solved at this moment. What I am suggesting is better then keeping people in the dark.

2 - Bring back alliance. I am not a pvper. My ping isn't good enough for that. But pvping is fun sometimes. I could get into an argument about how doing pvp nowadays isn't really immersive enough, or even worthwhile at all that much if you consider the various monopolies. But thats a technical argument and those bore me. So instead, i`ll go in a different direction. I think that the old alliance was more immersive then its modern counterfeit (Civil Unrest). Apart from how alliance was more of a joint experience, involving more players in a much larger area (which gave it more of a "sandbox feeling"), the old alliance also involved hunting BAMs (mixing pvp and pve), and you didn't have to be Ubber-geared in order to participate. Imagine how much nicer it would be, if the new double stat roll option on our current gear, would be implemented back then. The average player has no real reason to even use the double rolling feature. People like community effort, and, i`m sorry, but the old Alliance system was vastly superior social wise. Civil Unrest just... isn`t all that interesting (imo), and does not have a "community feel" to it, like the old alliance did. People say that pvp is dead. So I think Alliance could help to revive it. They already recycle content to no end, so why not recycle something that was good, for a change. Even Crusade gave people some kind of thrill.
I am aware these are different issues, but I figured why not. I saw people complain (myself included) about that whole server transfer thing, and people got into various arguments about the technical details of that, who is responsible and for what, and how it may or may not be of a high enough priority for BHS. Well I am not a fan of such arguments. I`m just a simple and selfish buyer that wants to avoid spending cash on a none-functional feature. So ill present my argument under a hypothetical assumption, that the technical details have been solved, and that my suggestions could technically be implemented. I don`t care how, lets say it was done by magic. The details are not my concern, as this is just a suggestion.

1 - Merge the dead servers. Doesn't really matter with whom. It would save me (and others like me) the trouble of spending money when then the technical details will be resolved, involving the issues around the server transfer. Imagine that the server transfer got fixed, then a month later, servers got merged. That would be quite a scandal for those that realized they spent money for something they could have gotten for free, if they only waited. I realize that doing this might cost a few pennies that could have been squeezed from people fleeing the dead places, but I think that merging is a better option. Communication is key here, but I am sure that if people knew they had something better to expect, and save themselves a few pennies along they way, they would wait peacefully until they get a full resolve. And, much like many other issues ive noticed, I think that if people knew that this was going to happen, they would be alot more inclined to wait peacefully, without going on a thread bonanza complaining about issues which cannot be solved at this moment. What I am suggesting is better then keeping people in the dark.

2 - Bring back alliance. I am not a pvper. My ping isn't good enough for that. But pvping is fun sometimes. I could get into an argument about how doing pvp nowadays isn't really immersive enough, or even worthwhile at all that much if you consider the various monopolies. But thats a technical argument and those bore me. So instead, i`ll go in a different direction. I think that the old alliance was more immersive then its modern counterfeit (Civil Unrest). Apart from how alliance was more of a joint experience, involving more players in a much larger area (which gave it more of a "sandbox feeling"), the old alliance also involved hunting BAMs (mixing pvp and pve), and you didn't have to be Ubber-geared in order to participate. Imagine how much nicer it would be, if the new double stat roll option on our current gear, would be implemented back then. The average player has no real reason to even use the double rolling feature. People like community effort, and, i`m sorry, but the old Alliance system was vastly superior social wise. Civil Unrest just... isn`t all that interesting (imo), and does not have a "community feel" to it, like the old alliance did. People say that pvp is dead. So I think Alliance count help to revive it. They already recycle content to no end, so why not recycle something that was good, for a change. Even Crusade gave people some kind of thrill.
Same. Got locked afew times.
I personally don`t care whose responsibility that is, or whatever technical difficulties are involved in fixing this. I don`t care whose at fault, or how many good Samaritan attempt to present arguments for them. I don`t care, i`m just a simple buyer, and this is suppose to be a valid feature of this product. And, no, I`m not going to go with the whole losing the player base argument because I think that's redundant. They are losing money, players and reputation. That's obvious. Its also obvious that there are many other problems which might be at a higher level of priority for them. I think that if the server transfer was such a "deal breaker", more then anything else, then they would have fixed it by now. Just an opinion.

Hey, wouldn't it be cool if they compensated the players by merging servers. I mean, dead servers create buyers like me, so there's some profit in that I guess. Though that's a poor business model, squeezing money from people fleeing dead places. Nobody is that desperate, I hope. Though I personally would overlook everything involving this, if they merged the servers. I would rather wait for a server merge, over waiting for a server transfer. Communication is key here, and I believe that if people that shared my opinion knew they had something better to expect, I think they would wait in peace.
What are.. these.. Reapers you're talking about. You must be talking about a rare Pokemon, because I don`t remember the last time ive seen one in the wild!
Naru2008 wrote: »
"Ooh, conspiracies~~ blah blah blah" - Where's your proof, @Shinku89? You're being called out by multiple people (now including myself) about proof that this is some sort of conspiracy, but your claims have no basis, and they make no sense. When you get your crap together, feel free to make a long, detailed post showing proof of this conspiracy. I want to be impressed.

For the people like @LancerJiva who think if people were to Boycott TERA it would fix it quicker (in and of itself would be useless, it would kill the game, not fix it, as mentioned by other people) - You obviously don't understand anything about coding, developing, any of it. First of all, En Masse is a PUBLISHER, not a DEVELOPER. They cannot rush the developer to fix anything.

Well I for one don`t believe in any conspiracy theory involving this game. I wouldn't credit anyone here, with such a feat. Giving official comfy answers to shoulder intimidate questions, yes. This they will do. Having randoms present cyber friendly arguments for the hand that feeds, yes. These options are within the realm of logical probability. As for being impressed and conspiracies, i`ll settle for being mildly amused by whats going on. Thats as good as it gets in there imo.

As for the Boycott. Keyboard heroes are a dime a dozen, but oh so few rebels. And while I do believe that a proper and relentless Boycott would have forced some hands, i`m afraid I don`t think that would fly in a game like this. Not with this community anyway. Sure, id watch a burning house for lolz. But its not gonna happen.

Overall, the talks here are great and all that, but i`m hoping they fix this thing so that I may use the server transfer myself. They closed the official thread, so...
LancerJiva wrote: »
I bet if people were to boycott TERA or EMP purchases this would get fixed really fast..

I vaguely recall some people attempted that, over that whole third party software scandal. It was a good read though. They even posted some videos of other people criticizing the lack of communication from EME, even going as far as to involve afew MMO sites. They even addressed the ex community manager. You could find it on Youtube I guess, being as that thread was removed. Oh, by accident, for sure.

Though it seems that revolution has failed to leave a lasting impression on both parties. I mean, you're still playing right? the 4 people that gave you a "like" seem to be active, as well. Even the said subject of protest (software) seems to be flourishing. So if you think about this for a sec, who really "won" from that boycott?

Did EME win because they're game is still standing, or have they lost because too many people play the game and invest in it - because - of the said software's? I mean, lets face it, everyone loves to seeing those hot full +15s with everything maxed. Even EME likes them, i`ll bet. Now turn off all of his hypothetical software. Forever. That would be a proper enforcement of the terms of service, and EME has the right to do that legally. Then again, if EME did that to everyone that "uses" (sounds like drugs!), then they would have infact, unwillingly, orchestrated a boycott of they're own. One which would have been much more effective, then that of the people which came up with that idea, in the first place. In other words: kill the software, kill the game. Because good luck in telling people with 200+ ping, that they actually have to play with that. Or better yet, go tell people to calculate their DPS by using tab information (it can that be done!)

My point is: boycotting Tera is unnecessary, as it scrambles itself. Besides. The communities overall mentality in this specific game kinda prevents that from ever being successful. Its like: "today is the day I will gather my friends, and we will boycott Tera to prevent further injustice! WAIT! WHAT OMG NEW SWIMSUITS AND LFG SUDDENLY STARTED WORKING IN MY TIMEZONE! LETS GRIND! ill totally get on that boycott thing tomorrow. For sure".

You get the idea.
Shinku89 wrote: »
Yamazuki wrote: »
Shinku89 wrote: »
Oh, @Spacecats , you make me feel special that my "conspiracy theory" was disturbing enough for you to say something against it. :)
Suspicious..? Or it's just because my theory ( the sheep may not agree but alot of people who think a little bit outside the box do believe of it as something that bhs are compatible of doing) sounds too logical so you have no other choice but to address it? :open_mouth:
Anyhow, this is issue doesn't disturb me too much personally.. But, If I were you, I would be a little bit concerned why players of the Tera community in NA are so quick to jump into "paranoid conclusions" (like how you prob would've worded it) , that Tera are trying to "trick" them in some way or another in the first place.


Your theory makes no sense because they don't make money by keeping people on a 'dead' server. Money isn't being spent on transfers and lazy people would just quit resulting in less money being spent. Unless you're suggesting BHS wants less money.

They will lose money in both scenarios, the difference is, where they lose most of the money: would they lose less money if they will "keep the current players intact inside the dead server" or let the server get even more dead by letting the committed players the server-transfer option?
I am not aware of the statistics, so I am free to speculate. As so is you.

I find that proof is the only truth any sensible gamer should trust. And such a truth, should not be handled with mere opinions, mockery or speculation, but rather, with presentable facts on both side. Enough facts and presentations, to prove the other person wrong.

Otherwise, both you and the person you accuse (Spacecats), just come out as being full of BS. Enough BS, to make any none-sheep discredit you. And lord knows, that speculation and BS, are plentiful and abundant.

You are welcome to speculate me tho, as your feelings and opinions do not matter to me. You presented a case, not me. Now either you or Spacecats needs to fill the void. Or forever be thought of as empty talkers, sheep, or tools of some sort. This is you're conspiracy, not mine. I think you're both desperate to send this community a msg, because you understand there are too many complications, for a single answer.
Shinku89 wrote: »
Oh, @Spacecats , you make me feel special that my "conspiracy theory" was disturbing enough for you to say something against it. :)
Suspicious..? Or it's just because my theory ( the sheep may not agree but alot of people who think a little bit outside the box do believe of it as something that bhs are compatible of doing) sounds too logical so you have no other choice but to address it? :open_mouth:
Anyhow, this is issue doesn't disturb me too much personally.. But, If I were you, I would be a little bit concerned why players of the Tera community in NA are so quick to jump into "paranoid conclusions" (like how you prob would've worded it) , that Tera are trying to "trick" them in some way or another in the first place.

Tho, if this was a real conspiracy, you would have to respond and accommodate, under the assumption that the people at the low ranks even have a say, or are aware of the higher ups plans. If such a conspiracy existed, people like Spacecats or the players council, would be playing at the sandbox, as they would be insignificant tools forever, content puppets being fed by convenience and circumstance (in-game accomplishments) at the logical (or illogical) beacon of those that fill their Tires needs/plates. Like dogs enjoying eating at they're masters table, as long as they are being compliant.

If this was a real conspiracy, that's how it would be. As they say in GOT: "the hand of the king shits, and the hand wiped". Thank god this is just a fantasy, right?
Actually, I somewhat agree with you. And while I do think you're presentation is a tad too vulgar, offending people openly like you have done in some of you're previous replies (defending your claim, or whatever you wish you call it), can get you're thread closed. But you're basically correct about the specific subject you are referring too. I can`t tell you how many times the server died, without being given a notice. Not to mention far graver issues. And, i`m sorry, but I have no intentions of following Tera`s Twitter. Thats for people that care.

Which leads me to the one thing you did not touch in you're thread. If this game is not to you're satisfaction, then play something else. Because If you think that barking at the doors will create a change, or even evoke some kind of awareness to things people don`t already know, then you are sourly mistaken. The way things are, is not likely to change, and its only a matter of time before glorified secretaries and no-lifer sheep bring the bars down on this issue, like they have probably done on many others.

Don`t get me wrong, You are generally correct, and I am not an advocate to this game. I could list many games which have their stuff up and running more often, are better optimized, and are more set on including they're community with whats going on, on a higher priority. Not to mention, that being good in Tera doesn't mean all that much for people that have a life. But thats my own opinion, mind you, and I don`t care about anyone's thoughts about that statement. My suggestion: you claim that you're new? then find a better game before you get invested. You say you're into gaming, then i`m sure you already know quite a few.
Yamazuki wrote: »
I haven't seen you provide any alternatives. Stating they exist while failing to list them multiple times suggests there really aren't any...

I have actually. Here. That is all I really have to say about this subject.
If people got it, then thats cool. And if not, lets agree to disagree. I wouldn't mind going into more detail, but i`m starting to understand that the open forum is not the right place for this sort of conversation. Plus i`m getting tired of following clone after clone. I actually wrote you a different and more in depth reply afew minutes ago, only to realize I was addressing someone else. This is what happens when people quote too everyone else, and myself at the same time, often doing a mix between different conversations I have with different people. Too much junk lying around for me to follow the none interesting ones.
aeee98 wrote: »
In short, stop looking at DPS meters, play the game and have fun knowing you have maximised your use with what you have (proper rotations etc).

I`m too tired to argue about gear and rotations, or even skill and proper use of everything I am aware of which can be done to boost dmg lol I fear that if I get into these subjects openly, this thread will turn toxic. So I will not go into that.

I will however say that I agree with you that DPS meters are not really necessary.
The issue is just that you can stand on equal ground, but if want to do it solo, it's going to take more effort than it would for a larger guild. But that, in a nutshell, is the plight of the solo gamer: choosing to go it alone rather than leverage the benefits of a group. If these were buffs that you could not possibly get solo and they were limited to guilds of <x> people or more, that would definitely be unfair and it would be "forcing" people into guilds. But given that you can actually do it if you put in the time/effort, it's difficult to sustain an argument. I realize you're arguing about the principle of the thing, but it's gone beyond principles into the practical now; tons of guilds (even some solo guilds) have put in the efforts to earn these points, and they can't very well turn them off or disenfranchise everyone who worked for them. You're basically arguing that, because of your choice to play solo, you should not have to work for buffs that others have worked for.

I've also played other MMOs that also have benefits tied to guild advancement, and I've worked towards those achievements in a solo guild. It takes time/effort, but you can get there. Likewise here. It can be done.

I don`t mind putting in the additional effort. Thats something alot of people here failed to understand. But I do think that solo players shouldn't have to walk that extra mile just because the developers are desperate to adding more team play elements. I don`t mind if people in guilds got perks. I really don`t. But I dont think that these perks should involve practical advantages over someone who is not inside a guild. In fact, id even go as far as saying, that, for all I care, they can have tons of free mounts, costumes, better castles (maybe interesting ones for a change). [filtered], they could even have elite vouchers in guild merchants, level 60 scrolls, even the p2w dragons, and I wouldn't complain about a thing because those would be things I could obtain myself.

I have infact made a guild of my own in order to attempt getting these extra buffs. But that in my opinion is just an additional, and unnecessary grind, which I could do without. I don`t care about the gold or bank slots. Besides. If the developers wanted to be fair, they could have simply given these buffs to anyone whose not inside a guild, and then let the players decide if the oh so valued community effort, is worth their trouble or not. Now thats a real choice. Unlike like when they started adding vm materials in the PvP shops, or even adding PvP properties to PvE gear. You tell me that doesn't reek of desperation in their part.
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