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You don`t sound like you're asking for help or advise, you are talking in general. I`m bored so I will reply in the same manner.

A `good` tank holds aggro without becoming a liability to the party, performs all the tank utilities properly while tanking (debuffing + timing enraging), positions bosses properly, handles mobs well, adapts and responds to various situations that could come up, knows the mechanics of the dungeon he is doing, and does good damage (the kind that helps breaking shields) in the process, while distinguishing between when he can afford to get hit for the sake of doing more DPS, and between when he cannot afford to do that. In short: someone that's always willing to learn, improve, communicate and adapt. Someone that understands the concept of tanking in general, the concept of teamplay itself, and knows how to preform well regardless of what gear they have, and regardless of the party's composition. Self sufficiency without the salt. Thats a good tank in my opinion.
You can never know what kind of person is sitting on the other side of the screen. Therefore there's a fine line between constructive criticism, gloating over you're own performance, belittling someone, and between genuinely wanting to help them out. The best way to help someone, is not to come across as being condescending. Which is why if you do choose to give them advice, you should do so respectfully, without making it seems like you're "gods gift to Tera".

How? try to think of yourself, and how you would like to be treated if you were in their position. The key to helping someone, is attempting to understand where they come from. Which is why before you choose to say anything, you can start by inspecting them. Look for signs of something that indicates what might be the possible cause to their low performance. This can range to anything from wrong crystals, wrong rolls, wrong etchings, what guild they are in (if any), and basically anything that shows you what you are dealing with. After you do that, you should have enough basic information to deduce a good direction for them to take (this is also something you can do at the beginning of the dungeon itself). Then you can approach them politely, and explain to them calmly that you wish to give them some pointers. Because if you just say "git gud omg use double pounding" or something like that, without providing an explanation, then you are probably just pissing them off. You always need to remember that if you come off too strong about this subject, then some players might misinterpret you're intentions to help them. How you come across will determine if they will want to listen to you (emphasis on the word "want").

I`m not saying there is not a limit to this, some people are willfully dense, and some players are just plain, well.. stupid. It happens. These are things which are not in you're control, and you can`t force someone to listen to you. All you can ever do, is try. If you ask me, the best way to go about this, is to indulge in a brief and friendly conversation before you start playing. Even something as simple as starting off the dungeon with a few jokes and showing others that you are friendly, can set the tone for the entire thing. This is good because it can open the lines of communication between everyone, and you might be able to see what kind of people you are playing with. Just my two cents. I hope this helped someone.
If they even bother responding to this, they will likely give you some official posturing or some one liners about how its "wrong", and how they are "actively" doing something against it. When in reality, until they make an official proxy of their own (or whatever else to fix ping issues), they can`t do much against it. Ive said this in other places, it is more the likely that they "have" to address these issues when "pesky" good Samaritans point them out (I have complained about it as well), but they cant afford to kill something that effects their playerbase to such an extent. Oh sure, there will be people out there that will support whatever they say, and vomit responses for them. "Justifications, reasons, excuses" whatever. Thats great but I don`t care about that, or about other peoples opinions around this subject. That is not my concern, I am not tech support. I dunno who started the whole thing, but the way I see it, these proxies exists because BHS failed to deliver on a great many things. They made their own virus by not fixing things they should have, and by neglecting the needs of the community. And proxies are just one of the evils around.

Don`t get me wrong I strongly object to any proxy or cheat, probably more then most people do being as I don`t think any player should resort to that. However, while I can understand the possible technical limits which would involve such an undertaking, I honestly don`t care much about them. Thats not my problem. And my opinion is the same as it has always been. Talk is cheap. They should either provide alternative solutions to existing problems, or find a way to stop all players from using them, or just go back to keeping in total silence about it this subject and keep showing everyone that their hands are tied. Let me guess: "you're wrong EME has this under control!". No they don`t. Spare me the circumstance, proving i`m wrong does not require words, nor opinions or meaningless platitudes I don`t care about. Proving me wrong requires actions. Anything else is just a bad joke ive heard many times over.
You're generally correct about scum acting as scum, though if you are going to attempt to raise awareness of obvious issues, wouldn't it be more effective to point out how blocking someone doesn't prevent them from mailing you, or harassing you on multiple accounts? that would be a better issue to tackle. Also, I would like to address some of the other things you mentioned.
I've never seen such an unwelcoming and toxic community ever since league. What's even more interesting is apparently this game doesn't care enough to even offer a report section. Toxicity is therefore encouraged as there are 0 repercussions. The fact that elitists exist in such large numbers and toxicity like this vvvvv is allowed is terrible. What's even worse is that these players are in fact protected as I am obliged to block out their names. I'm Aoshikai.

Pardon me for saying this, but have you been playing under a rock, Aoshikai? I`m saying this in accordance to you're own logic. I mean, did you go on League`s forums and submitted threads about toxicity? probably not. P.S: there is an option to report players. If you submit a full documentation of the event via the website itself (through the tech support), its more likely to get addressed.
There are several things I would actually like to note

3) There are plenty of online guides you can read to better inform yourself on all the changes (also answers 4).
5) The bright side is that good players don`t complain so much over game play, and sane players don't make a fuss over IMs (as being there, is on them) and low level dungeons. So to that end, I believe that those guys are probably not that far off from you're level of playing.
Apparently these people automatically assume that the player is supposed to automatically and immediately know everything about the dungeon and the fine math of the game before even playing it. It's a sickening and terrible and toxic assumption, and I've met a large amount of these toxic players (specifically in Ravenous Gorge, as these players can get away with it more because its smaller).

I understand why you got offended. The way that those guys behaved was unsightly and they are clearly lacking in common sense. You would win the moral argument, hands off. There is no excuse for how they behaved. However, in the same context, it also says a few things about you. Perhaps instead of hoping someone will teach you, then why don`t you teach yourself. Going into a dungeon without reading up or any prior knowledge about it (or about your class) is on you. Not doing that makes you come off as seeming entitled, and you did kind of provoke them with some of you're comments. I mean, if someone gets carried, which isn't a big deal, its much better to admit to it or to just stay silent. My point being.. those guys acted prideful, but so did you.
It's depressing that there are no veteran members that politely tell you these things AT ALL, as they either just stay silent and carry you (which does nothing for you in the long run, give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for life) or flame you without actually telling you . . . anything.

I don`t consider myself as being a veteran, but I do know a thing or two about this game, and about gaming in general. So I will give you some advice on what I think you should do. First off, I think you need to change you're attitude because the way that you are going about this, is wrong. I mean, even posting on the forum about this, wasn't a bright move imo. Anyway. So here`s how this goes: start by doing some online research, and NOT dismiss ALL the results you find, and give those a closer look. I mean, you said some guides were "outdated". Thats fair. Though if you're a returning player, then why are you nitpicking over nonsense? any information can be useful. Perhaps min-maxing won`t be an option for you at this point in time, but then again, that's not suppose to be you're objective, right? take what you can, and use what you can. Some of the online guides might not be up to date, I agree on that, but they are certainly not useless. One could argue about the validity and effectiveness of some of the guides, and many of them seem copy pasted. But no one can argue over the fact that is better to start from something, instead of starting from scratch. What you seem to have, is a "hand held mentality". My point being, is that I think you should shake that outta you're system.

The second point id like to bring up about this subject, is the process of trail and error. You said: "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for life". Cliches are nice, but what if the person that teaches you does it wrong? without any prior relevant information you would not being able to cross reference anything, which means that you would have no way of knowing if the teaching is correct, or even if the method itself was done in a way that actually fits you. Why become a burden and liability to the people around you, why be a bottom feeder, when you have access to all the tool to become self sufficient? raging over obvious issues doesn't make a difference. Don`t expect a hail Mary over noticing obvious things. Don`t become one of those people. If something bothers you, then do something about it.
Ardire wrote: »
reading this gave me a stroke i will personally paypal you money directly if you never post on these forums ever again

I prefer cash, but sure. Pay up. And if you do that, I promises I will use some of that of money to buy you an actual book, because if you like the Tera lore, then god knows you need one!
Nicely done! I gave you a "like", and I never give people likes. I don`t really agree with most of you're suggesting, but kudos on putting in so much effort. I actually read the whole thing, and its done nicely. So here is my two cent about what you said. Keep in mind though that I am not going to address this as someone that cares about the overall community. I don`t care about newcomers, and I don`t care about veterans. Try not to think of this in terms of "right" or "wrong", simply consider this as a different observation on the things you have said.

For starter, what you are suggesting is basically not going to happen because you are suggesting a complete rework of WAY too many things which connect to each other as a bundle. That means that you cant have one element alone, you would need all of them to be synced with each other in order for it to make sense as an implement, and I doubt they have enough hamsters to pull this off at this point in time.

Second. This is just my own opinion, but I don`t think that Tera's lore was ever good enough to demand such close attention to begin with, let alone, becoming something to be prolonged. In fact I would even go as far as saying that for me, Tera's story side its mostly just for clicking "yes" on quests. A obligatory hassle. As far as story telling is concerned, some games get it right, but in Tera I think wasn't appealing in the past, its not appealing now, and its not likely to be appealing in the future. Though I will give them props from making Zolyn a lesbian zombie with a hard for wearing too much make up, and for making Paesyn a friend-zoned douche-bag that hits on a girl whose girlfriend died recently. Let that sink in for abit, and then tell me just how "good" Tera is, in terms of story telling. Not even going to get into that guy-girl-hybrid thing at the SG story line. Talk about freaks. Yikes.

Third. As for leveling.. when it was long, people said its too long. When its fast, people say its too fast. There is no pleasing some people. Leveling is fine, and so is the gear people get for it. Prolonging obligatory means and adding more grinds is NOT appealing imo. You wanna talk about issues while leveling? solo dungeons, story quests without dungeons, that's nothing. Of they wanted to change something for the good, then maybe they should change the fact that when you que as a warrior tank, you might end up with a bralwer, a lancer, all in the same party. I`m not sure if this is intentional or not, but I have seen various combos of that. And it sucks imo. Well, to be frank I don`t really care about all the little things, who struggle and who doesn't. I`m just nitpicking because of i`m bored. But if BHS/EME cares, perhaps they can offer a more in depth tutorial for fresh level 65 players might solve that learning curve issue (make it optional though!). They can add levels of difficultt to it, and simulate dungeon environments with dummies that "fill in" for whatever classes required. Like, a tank would have to hold aggro, and for that he would get NPC dps that frequently dps. Or a healer could have healing and cleansing challenges. I mean, yeah, its not necessary but if they really wanted people to be THIS hand held, they could do that.

Forth. In regards to crafting. This isn't EVE. Grinding in a huge open world environment is VERY different from grinding in a relatively low populated game, and in such small enclosures. So If you think that people hogging IOD is bad, wait until you see level 65 players running around Lumbertown, possibly hassling noobs just for crafting mats. People like talking about boundaries, but thats one option, right. Did you put that into you're equation? speaking of which, the Arsenal update gave us the neat illusion that RNG was gone, and now obtaining gear is easier then it has ever been. Many people don`t like this (because they don`t want to see noobs with BiS), but what about people that have a life and a job? do they count in you're equation? now they can actually get BiS gear quickly, and even get actually get to enjoy using their gear, before it gets replaced. My bank slots are already filled with junk and mats I only use for converting into tokens, why the hell would I ever want to start adding Fine Pilka Fibers and freaking Verdra Plant into to that list? no thanks. Enough is enough. I`m glad crafting is simplified now.

Thats all I really how to say. And, again, I have the upmost respect to you're thread. Its fantastic. If more people made threads like yours, perhaps we might have seen some real changes. But here are some of the things which might also constitute as positive changes worthy of investment, in terms of time and resources (this is for EME, not you).

1) Better communication with the community. Like, really.

2) Better optimization. You tell me that they can make Tera console, Elin Gunners, male brawlers, awakening skills, that talisman thing, and NOT have better optimization on a higher place at their priority list? BHS please take the logical course of action here.

3) Make a personal DPS meter. It won`t kill you.

4) Provide official side client solutions, or whatever you have to do in order to address ping issues. The more things you fix by yourselves, the more people will start appreciating you. Whatever rules or policies you have to go through to make this happen, nobody cares about that process, find a way to get it done.

5) As for in-game content. A) Bring back alliance (CU can`t hold a candle to that). B) if you insist on recycling 24/7, you brought back WH at some point, which was cool. But what about RENM/HM? that was a great place. Speaking of fun dungeons, what about a revamped version of KG? (id prefer that over that freaking SF or VOK, any day). Speaking of old dungeons, why don`t you bring back BFTP? (Blast from the Past) it was a great idea imo. Fun, easy, and it promoted positive interaction between the newcomers, and the level 65 players (or was it 60? I don`t remember).

6) Better events, and more frequently, so the grind feasts won`t feel so boring.

7) EME, you're forum could use a small personalized blog platform for individual members. Many forums have that, people can write in them without flooding the forums, upload in game pictures or whatever, and it might help to cut down on the amount of people complaining about redundant subjects. Its not a biggy, but it might be neat.
Digivolve wrote: »
It's wonderful having an all-you-can-eat scapegoat known as proxy. Slaying runs in low-end dungeons are done for speedy clears, not to measure e-peens. Because no one cares about KC epeen

Oh forgive me. Perhaps i`ll say it differently. Do I sound like I actually care, Sherlock? I never said he used a proxy, I just theorized what is a more likely of a cause for him getting banned, based on the information and politics available on this site. It was a deduction. What is just or unjust is not up to me, and I did not specify what I thought his intentions were in KC. I didn't do that because It doesn't matter why he was there. Stating the obvious is redundant. You said nobody is dumb enough to risk their +9 account over something so "pleb". You'd be surprised, just as I was surprised to read you're reply. Based on that alone, I wouldn't rule out the option. If you're next reply to me is going to be as whiny as that one, please don't bother.
Well technically the meter is considered as third party software. They could ban over that alone, right. Though I don't think he was banned because of this dps. Some people here seem to be nitpicking over that, and that's not a probable cause. However, if I had to theorize, I would say that there is a high probability that he was banned because he might have been using a proxy. And If that would be the case, even his friends and supporters might not have been aware of that (and even if they were aware, they are not likely to rat him out).

Its just a theory, but it does make some sense. I mean, a +9 SC Valk in KC using slaying is obviously a tryhard, right. Its not unheard of for someone like that to be using a proxy. I could be wrong of course. Just guessing.
Actually I don`t care about these small events and all the petty little communication mishaps that followed. I simply dislike the majority of the current forum staff in general. I barely even read their names anymore, I just look for that official icon and I know to expect one liners and douchebaggery. So I don't bother with them unless I need something. I see most of them as "drones" of obligatory information. See some people buy into that whole "tell us you're constructive criticism" crap, but I think that they simply don`t care, that they see these things as a mild annoyance they have to take part in officially, and I think that they lack the capacity to do things differently. It might even just be a personality thing. And if you don't like someone, if the rub you the wrong way, that's just how it is. What can a person say to that? "this is all circumstantial, get to know them better?" no thanks ive seen enough. Just do you're job, will you.

On the bright side though, the only staff member ive noticed that carries himself decently (imo), is Spacecats. Ive noticed alot of people judge him based on his management skills. Thats fair I guess. But I personally think he is trying (maybe too hard), and he seems down to earth. Just an opinion.
You said that you have been playing for 7 years. Thats fair. Though pardon me for asking, after all these years of experience and reflection, THIS is what rattles you up? seriously? lol
Ray676 wrote: »
How's that EME [filtered] taste bud? make sure you cup the [filtered] too, eme shill dog

I`m going to be perfectly honest with you. I don`t usually care when I see people going at each others throat. In most cases it amuses me, and the anarchist in me thinks that humbling someone, especially council members, can be a good thing sometimes. When people feel too comfortable at their seats, it can turn them sloppy and arrogant. Not to mention lazy. So to that extent, i`m not going to bother you with moral conduct, and I trust that by now you can clearly understand that the only opinion I support is my own. There is a cretin freedom in that. See? i`m not an advocate of EME, and I don`t care about either of you. Felt like I should mention that so you will not confuse between arguments and statements.

That being said.. what you are doing right now is tasteless, pointless and ignorant (statements/opinions). This is what you're reply looks like. Look, I don`t know you're history with Counterpoint mind you, however, from what I can tell he generally has good intentions and he wants to believe in the game and in its community. He mostly wants to help. Which is ALOT more then I can say for myself. However. While its true that he might be bias towards cretin subjects, as a council member would be (common sense), he certainly does not go around attacking people on a personal level. And I really think that all this salt you're throwing at him, isn't called for and its rather silly. You're hating on a individual person, when you're complaints should be aimed at the system itself. I mean you're implying that he is a "EME lackey", right? so if we follow that trail of thought, what kinda idiot goes to a store and complains about a product before a salesmen, instead of going directly to the manager? like, you can hate Bill Gates, but chances are that you're still using Windows. Same idea.

And on that note, ive taken the library to read some of you're posts in other places, trying to understand where you're animosity comes from. And the common "motif" you seem to have, are complaints at the game and its developers. You should know that taking that out on him isn't going to change anything. What you're doing right now, just makes you come out stupid. See i`m not going to tell you some self righteous crap like: "lets all be friends and work together to make the game great!". I`m not going to tell you that because that would fail. Why? well first off Its not THAT great of a game, and, lets face it, you couldn't pull off a Boycott on Tera, even if you wanted too. Second, when you insult people like a child would, you will only earn the respect of people that don`t matter. You did not accomplish anything by doing this.

P.S:
Before you attempt to come at me with some forth-grade comeback and insinuations, please understand that i`m not doing this for his sake at all. As I said before, I don`t care about either of you. I`m doing this for my own sake, being as I am allergic to stupidity. Nothing more, nothing less.
Are you seriously blaming a company for promoting itself, while finding new ways to reach into peoples wallets? lol

Okay i`ll say it differently. Look, you're basically right, okay. Its a greasy scam. Hands off. Calling Argon Front gear as "high-end" was abit too much, and I can understand why newcomers might find that as being misleading. When I saw it even I was, like, "high-end? really? was that the only way to describe that? lol". But there in lays a small part of my point. You see, I am sure that some people out here could argue with you that this promotion (that's what it is) is aimed at new players, almost exclusively. And some people can also say that what you are doing, is that you're basically judging this case through you're own point of view, as someone that's already familiar with the game and its aspects. Now, I dunno how many newcomers you met, but the ones that I have met... well... lets just say that a fresh player is not likely to reach level 65 in 3h, okay? id even say that some of them might even waste one hour just creating their character. You know, because the default faces are meh. See the problem in my opinion, is that both of those arguments (veteran common sense vs exploited noobs) are.. well.. no offense, kind of boring and useless. Its nitpicking over a promotion that doesn't really effect either of you.

Besides. If you think about it, if they don`t scam newcomers, then who are they going to scam? I mean supposedly they can`t scam veterans like you, right. Most veterans and even average players already know how to obtain things for free. They need some kind of a source of income to keep the game going, or at the very least, have something to offer new players. And in a promotion like this, what do you expect them to say exactly? think about this.

Would you play a game that tells you THIS: "Welcome to Tera! its F2P! so don`t bother with EMP - we have a more popular game sponsoring us anyway (google it) - so don`t bother paying us for a level 60 scroll, just get a friend to powerlevel you! you need gear? no problem! join a guild that doesn't mind carrying you. You're going to be carried for at least several weeks anyway, so why not! its going to take you even longer to enchant everything. Oh, you want outfits? mounts? well we overprice stuff from 2014, and the none-flying mounts are basically useless - so don`t bother paying us, get into crafting! get rich in a week so you won`t even need EMP!".

I`m being sarcastic, obviously. But what I said would be equally unfair to the developers. I hope you get what i`m trying to say. Game developers want money even from a F2P game. You can either deal with it, or drug yourself to the point obscurity so you won`t have to deal with pesky realities such as this. Though if you insist on seeing a real evil corporation that steps on the little guy, well.. then you don`t need to look so far. Just go to the bank.
Xristosx wrote: »
Well since your a costumer your needs for the game are actually handled pretty well as they release costumes for the game every couple of weeks or so, so you have pretty regular content and your needs are met.
I am play the game and i was seeing effects from the change with all the people i was playing with that i knew and people who i didn't know. But we can just shut down any negative criticism if you want and instead let the entire forums be a echo chamber.

Costumes? I never even addressed that subject. There is no need for guessing games, Its easier to ask someone what they care about. Though since you brought that up, i`m glad to hear that you (and you're friends?) seem to be satisfied with that aspect of the game. If that was suppose to be some kind of a comeback or insinuation, then this might as well be an echo chamber. You made more sense the first time around. Try again maybe.
Xristosx wrote: »
It is a big deal if we keep allowing them to take things away, it sets a precedent that the community will blindly follow their decisions. As some people have said in other places. You give a publisher a inch and they'll take a mile, they'll keep pushing the boundaries of whats allowed. Yeah you're also right i shouldn't pay elite with real money, people instead can just keep buying random 30 day elite vouchers off the broker that someone probably bought with a stolen credit card. My point when i mention i actually pay with real money to the game is i'm actively supporting the game. If there weren't people willing to pay for elite or any other thing in the store the game would die from all the people freeloading off it.

Its a F2P game, and its assets and policies are not set by the community itself. Publishers and game developers are two separate entities. So to that legal extent, you're definition of boundaries or what you feel should be "allowed" in the game, its not relevant. Though since you mentioned people following blindly, as if they were sheep, then by all means make a real stand and stop supporting it. You are here on you're own accord, and have kept playing along with everything they have done for, like, what, 3 years you said? do you think that makes you any different from the community you accuse? like I said before, its a meaningless argument. You seem to be addressing me under the impression that I care about the same things you care about. That is not the case. Far from it, actually.

Xristosx wrote: »
It's called me being tired of being silent on problems EME creates, they have shown in the past 3 years of me playing that they are only reactionary and do what they please even if its harmful to the community until a mass outbreak of complaints happens. This is why i have a very specific attitude. I don't like arguing for the sake of arguing, but there's a point you need to stand up for yourself.
I'm not one to normally put forth my opinion as i usually like to stay quiet so forgive me if my ramblings aren't very palatable.
I guess i'll stop soon and just go back to being a quiet player until EME cause's another problem that they made because they don't play the game.

I think you're biggest problem is that you are taking this game too seriously. Maybe its time to take a different approach. You said so yourself, that you have been putting up with the same junk for three years, right? thats a long time to be taking things up the antsy, and still bother with trying to make sense of things. Because if you think about all the things which have been said and done, nobody can help you. Not EME (which are bound by legal implications), not the player council (they will not bite the hand that feeds), certainly not me (120% selfish, remember?), and not the community (which in you're words "keeps playing along"). So what is the conclusion? you cant beat the system on you're own, and you are not really a victim because staying here is on you.

Its not that I don`t understand what you're trying to say.
I do get it. But you make no difference. That was my point all along.
Xristosx wrote: »
I'm not saying I'm more important

That is exactly what you are saying though. You're just sugar coating that with a long rational to appeal to the wider audience, making a "stand" as it were, but mostly for you're own sake. And, no, I don`t have a problem with that. I respect it. Though you might as well admit it, at this point. To me it seems like you're just trying argue. Which is cool, I love reading other peoples arguments. But yours seems abit over the top, and overly self righteous. Then again, I suppose staffs member wouldn't tell you that to you're face, to keep up cretin appearances.

See, as a costumer myself, I feel that my needs are the only ones that matter. Because in my mind, you, the player council, the EME staff, is here to cater my own needs in various shapes and forms, and even seemingly good Samaritans like yourself also play an important part, because you can complain over things for me. Every tool has a use, and I can selectively disregard any opinion or remark which does not serve my interests. Same goes for people that seem overly bias, and SJW`s that sprout nonsense just for sake of coming out as "caring". Can you see my point? 120% selfishness. There is no need put up this act, just own it.

And... you seem to be making a big deal over nothing. The CCB thing isn`t a big deal imo, and paying for Elite with real money is on you.
This game is not p2w. Yes, there are plenty of EMP mongers, broker monopolizers, and no-lifers out there with too much time on their hands, and a credit to match. But that does not mean you need to spend real money to achieve the desired result. I keep hearing people crying "p2w" but its really just a minor case of ignorance to what can physically be done, in a relatively short period of time.

Here. I`ll give you one example so that you may understand that i`m not here to belittle you. I won`t make this into a useless reply. Pick a class or two, and start getting into crafting (aka the "theme" of the current patch). Save up until you can reach "Armour Master" and/or "Weapon master", and start investing in Golden Darcis, Golden Plates, and Silver Plates. You want free Golden Talents? (mats) sure. Grind Island of Dawn, particularly the low tier Bams which are weak, and give the most mats. You can speed that process up by adding KC/SF (quick mat sources) into you're grind, since IOD is a soul killer. Doing this in a smart way even for a week or two, will sponsor alot more then just reaching Stormcry. Oh I know whats you're next problem now. You need gear XP, right? but you have no real static, you're guild is dead, and you're abit "dungeon shy". There is a solution to that as well. Reach Frostmetal, and grind easy stuff like SCNM/LKHM/KDNM. If you're shy from the hard dungeons, those are good alternatives for XP.

If you do this process slowly without exhausting yourself, within a month you will be swimming in gold and you will venture into the true endgame content: Costumes and Vouchers. Then you will find yourself dealing with dilemmas you never really gave much thought into before. Like: Does the new Pop costume look like an overly expensiveness two-cent rehash of other stuff, who buys those things? why does the phoenix mount look like a chicken without eyes, are they intentionally overpriced to match their place on the `ugly-meter`? why don`t all the dragons give buffs? and if I had them all, would I get an achievement that says "sugar daddy"? it is all these questions and more, that you will be able to answer. With gold. Lots and lots of gold.

Putting all jokes aside, this is not my own way of making gold, but its a good start for returning players, for people that are "stuck", and newcomers alike. I already have several Stormcry sets for my --alts. I`ll admit that I am lazy, and have used gold to enchant my alts, instead of grinding dungeons for XP. That`s what mains are for. So guilty as charged of being a sloth. However, I must have done something right. Which is why I don`t consider this game as being p2w. Sorry. If anything making gold is practically brainless, and I have never spent real money on enchanting.
I agree with some of the points you have made, but I would like to point out a few things in regards which I do not entirely agree with.

You mentioned that the game has become a "soul-rotting grind". That`s a fair opinion. Then again, if you take a gander at some of the other online games of this genre, as far as grinds go, Tera is fairly simple and quick in terms of what you can do, what you "need" to do on a basis, and its relatively quick in terms of in-game progression and amassing sufficient founds to sponsors you're in-game needs. And it can all be done in a relatively short period of time, in compare to games which are more in fashion to what you describe as "soul-rotting". Like, if you want to go by different "versions" of the same product, I have heard that the grinds on K-Tera are pretty intense. I don`t care enough to look that up, but its a Korean MMORPG. Grinds are kind of a given, wouldn't you say? id even go as far as saying that despite the game being more "grindy" right now, its still kind of easy even for casual players. Like, you can obtain a full Stormcry set without even going into a single dungeon. In fact, you can become very wealthy in a matter of weeks if you know what you're doing. if anything, there in lays the real problem.

Another thing you mentioned, about the so called "competition" between console Tera and those other games you mentioned. Even if you would compare between games of the same genre (instead of comparing Tera with `triple A` FPS games), then, I`m sorry, but there is no competition. I don`t think that they made Tera console just for the sake of "milking" some more money. I think that Steam is a more likely candidate to what you are suggesting. Though be that as it may, they are not that stupid and I don`t that they are delusional about this product. If anything, I may not be an expert on these things, but I hope that it is through this "console experiment" that they are doing (imo), that we will somehow finally get some much needed optimization and official solutions to problems that have been plaguing the PC version of Tera, for quite some time now. And when I say "some time", I mean years.

Will Tera console fail? in compare to the success the PC version had, yes. Though I think it was ever designed for greatness, in the first place.
Failed games die. This one is far from peeking, and it might meet its grave someday. But not yet.
After looking at the reward list, i`m kind of disappointed by the overwhelming lack of crafting materials. Crafting seems to be a big theme right, so it would have been nice if they would have dropped some Golden Darics or Plates into these rewards. Maybe even a diamond or two, for the people that want more then just cosmetics and silver tiaras. Overcrowding Island Of Dawn is tolerable I guess, but I`m also disappointed that the catalysts won`t be dropping at starter dungeons like RG,SF,KC etcetc, being as fresh level 65 players would probably prefer doing actual dungeons, over grinding those mindless "stick figures" at IOD. Maybe this is just my opinion, but I think that fresh players are not likely to jump into Thaumetal Refinery Hard Mode or RK-9 Kennel. This isn't even about player skill or finding a static, they physically won`t get Vanguard rewards without having the item level for those dungeons.

The new patch is great btw. I`m loving the new crafting system. Thumbs up all the way on that. If only they would have adjusted the catalyst event accordingly, this would have been fantastic. I mean, the Smart Dyad Niveot, the EMP, and the pets are practical rewards, and the Devilicious and Scrubs Costumes are great. But everything else is just... junk. I hope that the RNG on the catalysts is favorable this time around.
JasonTERA wrote: »
This is very minor issue and 99.99999 % people will not care, I know. But I want them not to make any confusing as a game management.

Well I think that the reality of the situation, is that unless you get 99.99999 % of the people to start caring, then all of this is meaningless. I mean, what else is there? more arguing? even if you were absolutely right about something, it wont matter because one person cannot make a difference. In fact, I think you're wasting your breath. Look over some of the comments. The more this keeps dragging out, it makes less of an impact.
JasonTERA wrote: »
Therefore, people who got temporary ban was not cheating? I know it sounds like stupid, but this is why I am asking GMs to clarify their regulations. Why did those people got only temporary ban even if they obviously used 3rd party program?

You are trying to "bait" a publishing company into an open public argument as a single individual, under the argument that they're bans appear to be circumstantial or based on various levels of severity for each case. What you are proposing is essentially an absolute enforcement of policy to its upmost extent, regardless of any technicalities or implications which might be involved in the process. I hope you understand that's not going to happen. Especially not like this.

Hypothetically speaking, lets say that EME had the manpower and ability to address any and all cases as one, in a single day. Lets say that they banned everyone that used third party software, and even found a way to prevent people from being able to use them at all. Lets say that happened. Erasing all those people, as if they were letters on a blackboard. Just like that. Poof. Magic. What happens next? will we be seeing a tranquil and utopian society where all problems are fixed? or will we perhaps witness a lose of a very large and dedicated playerbase? or better yet, do you suppose it would be in a company's interest to act strictly on policy, and set themselves up by creating a public image of a tyrant?

I get what you're saying. But, no offense, if I was a company, even I wouldn't listen to you. I`m not an expert, but (imo) it would be much more profitable to capitalize, exploit, maybe even employ, and explore player-made improvements favorably, and maybe find a way to officially incorporate them into the game. At this point in time, I think that the software can`t be killed, without killing off the community. Perhaps a better argument would be, that if BHS optimized the game experience in the first place, then this situation might have been mediated, or at least downsized.
I think that getting the loot from the event only really requires being present on the same channel, and hitting the boss. This means that "Mr boss man-tank" or people like him, can involuntarily tank for you.

If you know where the spawns are most likely to happen, take a healer or two (or someone with a high enough tire, which can summon), and make sure that this person (or people) has a traveling journal. From that point sync you're own said with each other, and just follow them around and summon you're friends at each boss. You know, like a stalker. This is not very fair or nice, but neither is blackmail. Cheers mate.
gib wrote: »
well to be quite fair, your "functioning product" is more akin to a prototype than the real deal. tera right now is barely functional if you play vanilla.

Tell me about it. Both my ping and FPS are deplorable, and I know for a fact that it has nothing to do with my rig or internet. I play other games too, heavier ones (spec wise), and they all work just fine, even in NA regions. Tera is the only game I play which is so poorly optimized to such an extent that it bothers me. I also play oldschool DOS games, some of which have pixels as big as thumbs. So how a game looks, doesn't bother me, as much as how it functions. So.. yeah.
gib wrote: »
well said. which is why we don't understand why eme and bhs are refusing to cooperate and are ignoring us at every turn. we all know that eme and bhs cant stand to lose the fraction of the playerbase (i'd almost confidently say about 30-50% of active players) because of this. so why are they still refusing to cooperate and implement it in their game? it's not hard. it wouldn't take long.

well i'll tell you why. their ego is too big. they don't want to admit that the problems that have been plaguing their game for years have been fixed by mere players. they won't admit defeat. they'd rather kill their game than have our help. and it sucks. but that's the way that it's been for years and that's the way it will be for as long as this game is around for.

I don`t know about the technicalities, though there has to be more to this then just ego, right? I mean, ego doesn't empty wallets. It can`t be that simple. No game is perfect, but to think that a company would act as if they were a pouty child refusing to go to the dentist, in a game which is obviously experiencing a decline in playerbase. Id like to think that there has to be more to this, some kind of miscommunication or legal issues standing in the way. Maybe things EME/BHS can`t share with us for they're own sake. We don`t know, and will probably never be told the entire story. All that I know is, that player improvements will continue, until people get official ones. And if you think about it, since the game is at the point where one can no longer exist without the other, is that not also a form of admitting defeat? if you were bound legally to act a cretin way like EME, you might have done the same. Maybe many of them are rooting in the shadows and doing what they can behind the scenes, while accepting that they will take the heat for things which are beyond they're control. Id like to think that nobody is dumb enough to wave a while flag, while everyone is still shooting at them.
gib wrote: »
i think you're free to choose what to concern yourself with, which by all means go ahead, but we've all thought that it was "a matter of time" before eme and bhs fixed their problems and guess where that's landed us. right back at the start. it's a vicious cycle and it won't stop until the game is truly gone.

they'd rather lose us for good than accept our help. in a sense, it is game over already.

I concern myself with other games as well, as should any displeased costumer should do. If Tera died today it would be unfortunate, but life goes on. I take into account that maybe everyone's struggles and efforts, would have been entirely in vain, and that eventually BHS will bury Tera and blame it on the community. That would be a [filtered] move but its a very real possibility, and I am not dismissing that at all. But since i`m still here, since you're still here too, the alternative solutions are still here, then I think that being optimistic is the only real option left. If you have a better suggestion, then by all means.
Vindicting wrote: »
@Starkhoe
The problem I think is that you're not very knowledgeable about what had actually happened (given you don't know Noesis - the old Product Manager who got fired over the fiasco). What you're saying is basically all just speculation, we don't need speculations at this point because the facts had been in a long time ago... so there's not much to discuss.

I'm just angry that everything EME had done so far shows either gross negligence/stupidity or an actual contempt for the community. I want this game to get better, the proxy devs made it happen and so EME banned them.

As a costumer I do not need to be knowledgeable, I need a functioning product, and many of the things I said were not just mere speculation. Like proxies are still being used, so there's that. I get it though. Its a long read, so oversights are understandable. Not to mention, not being able to use links (its against the rules) to prove any points. Thats kind of a drag. Don`t worry you don`t have to reply to this.

I understand that you're upset. You have a right to be as a costumer, and I think that you're generally in the right. But I also think you should keep an open mind. You said facts, well, its a fact that EME/BHS can ban people of they're choosing, yeah. Its they're product. But we both know that until all aspects of the game are properly optimized, EME and BHS cannot win the fight against software. For one, if they found a way to prevent people from using all types of third party software (meters & harmless modules included), they will wipe out they're entire playerbase. Meaning, not only can they not afford to do that, they are involuntarily relying on it to keep players in the game. Second, I think they do not legally own the software which creates proxies and modules themselves. Thats outside they're jurisdiction. Meaning, that proxy devs and coders/scripters (whatever), will keep popping up again and again, and keep fighting for improving the game.

In other words: there will continue to be injustices on both sides, but BHS/EME will never be free from this cycle, until they provide an official solution to the pressing matters, along with all around long needed optimizations. But as a costumer, the means and costs are not my concern. So you see, its not just entirely a matter of optimism and wishful thinking, I think its also a matter of time. For companies, the costumer always has to win. Because if they lose for good, its gameover.
Vindicting wrote: »
Do you know why Noesis made that post so many months ago and now they're making huge posts about security while achieving nothing? Because they're stupid. Proxy was quite a niche project but instead of contacting the 3-4 devs actively involved they made a huge fuss publicly triggering a massive Streisand effect in the community. The proxy Discord grew by the thousands overnight thanks to Noesis's incompetence.

Forgive me but i`m afraid i`m not entirely sure who that person is. I`ll assume he is some sort of mod, being as that seems to fit the context (you are welcome to correct me if i`m wrong). Unfortunately, in most cases I don`t commemorate peoples names, unless I find them as being interesting. Generally most mods ive seen here (and in other games) seem either overly monotonic, "conveyors of obligatory information", or simply.. dull enforcement figures. So I don`t usually remember they're names. A classic costumer, I guess. So that`s that. Though most of what I said, are merely logical conclusions ive reached after reading up about whats going on. And what you are describing, is in fact what I was suggesting in the original context: that EME have involuntarily put the game at risk by posting information that perhaps should have been kept under wraps, causing this massive influx themselves, escalating the situation by being put in a position where they feel like they should address the said subject. A double edge sword, of sorts. You are essentially confirming my hypothesis.
Vindicting wrote: »
Let me ask you, if they really cared would they still keep their ego which is bigger than the sun and not even bother testing their "security update" build? When servers went down for maintenance EME and BHS became laughing stocks on Discord and the devs not only predicted memeslash would not be fixed they were even having a stab at each other about how many minutes they think it would take after patch to fix. And guess what? They were right on both counts, and memeslash took the first group like 10-20minutes to fix.

I`m not sure EME had much of a choice though. They are publishers, and too much public attention has been brought to this subject recently, they are probably obligated to respond in this way and posture aggressively. I don`t blame them for anything. As for BHS, the game devs themselves, I think that whats happening right now is the logical trajectory of these self manifested circumstances. They created they're own devils and plausible advocators, by not properly optimizing all features of this product themselves. I guess that might cost a pretty penny for them. But i`m just a costumer, thats not my problem. That being said, right now I believe that they are putting they're best effort into attempting to resolve a game breaking cheat. Id like to believe that because that`s what they are suppose to do. Weather this effort is truly successful or not, remains to be seen (imo).
Vindicting wrote: »
I am not benefiting from a [filtered] company ruining a game I love. For the past 5 years what had EME/BHS done for this game? The very players who wrote the original FPS guide which helped everyone I know be able to log on, and subsequently created scripts that changed our lives forever are villainized by this company who would not even bother fixing their own game properly.

You misunderstand. When I said "you benefit", I was suggesting that you are benefiting from the group efforts of many elements, as one. The game devs, EME, the proxy devs, and whatever other devs exist out there. Weather by protest or other means, many sides appear to be taking on the role of fixing or improving the game. Which is why I suggested to keep on waiting to see who crosses the finish line. I think that's better then becoming overly involved. You said so yourselves, that were (and that there stil are) casualties in this story, and that third party software still exist, regardless of anything. In other words: you are still practically benefiting. Its abit cold to look at it this way, yeah, discarding and casting out all emotional factors and the ones that were sacrificed long the way, for selfish benefits. But this is still a product, and I think that's how it should be treated as. Think about it - someone gets paid to keep things up and running - let this be on them. Thats all i`m saying really.
Vindicting wrote: »
All of us long term players agree that these devs improved the game and improved our experiences at a level EME will never even get close to. I wonder how it feels to be a gaming company with less impact than a few players, and now basically at mercy of those few players? It is very sad and embarrassing

I don't consider myself as a long term invested veteran, and I have no emotional attachment to this game, but I get what you're saying. This whole thing could, and should have been avoided. Id like to correct you on one aspect though. You are not at the mercy of anyone. You can choose how to think about this, and you can also choose what to do next. Before being a player, you are a costumer. Which is always the end result. I get that you're invested in the game, but overall, if you are not satisfied, and have lost all hope in things ever changing, then maybe you should play a different game. Nobody would blame you. Also, If you want, you are more then welcome to address me in private, and perhaps fill me in on more sides of this story. You seem to have alot to say, and I don`t mind listening. Just an idea. I mean, because of this Memeslash thing I don`t feel like logging in away. Might as well pass the time. Thinking positively is more effective then thinking negatively.
Vindicting wrote: »
I have been losing interest in Tera recently and if this embarrassing situation isn't amended by EME quickly, I guess this is the nail in the coffin. Probably not just for me either.

Perhaps I might offer a different prospective. A part from things ive mentioned before (which you are welcome to check out), you can also view these current predicaments in a different light. One which works in you're favor.

For one, EME are in fact showing you that they do care about these things, even at a risk to them. Why risk? think about it, when you go on and publish information about stuff like hacks and exploits, you are infact pointing people at particular directions. That move alone can greatly increases the number of users which were previously unaware of what exactly all the hype is about. How many new players do you suppose have read up on these recent issues - because - they are being raised - and have taken liberty to apply such fixes or hacks for themselves. Second, by posting and protesting about these things consistently, they are unwillingly suggesting how easy it is it for someone to actually hack or use third party software. Further more, if you think about it, people that use the hardcore stuff (hacks, or whatever) already have everything they could ever want in the game. Meaning, its likely that many of the people that post hacking videos frequently, are not trying to break the game for everyone. But rather, that they are making a protest about issues and exploits in game. Maybe its they're way fo saying: "Look at all these issues, can you please fix them?". One could argue about methods, but nobody would argue about practical results. Maybe thats what many of them are going for, pushing the game devs to reevaluate (or improve) issues which they feel are not being taken seriously enough. This isn't black and white, whats "wrong" and whats "right" can be widely interpreted.

And I for one only care about results and my own interests. And I hope others feel the same. I say, say your concerns, but be a bystander. Wait this out. Let the fighters fight among themselves. Because you are the one that will benefit from either result. Weather it be through peacefully means such as causing fluid communications and more awareness over existing issues, or weather it be by watching everything burn to the ground and seeing the community hack the game to death, the only person that will benefit from changes, will be you. Think of everything that's happening, as if it were a TV show, you win automatically just by being there.
N3PF5NGPD6 wrote: »
How you dare!!! You should absolutely suffer for not having low ping and must always do subpar dps and have a subpar gaming experience as compared to low ping players. Quoting a certain autist from previous page - "they wanna be the same with 300 ping with someone with 100 ms ping?"

I find it difficult to hold people to they're words, if they appear to suffer from severe [filtered]. I would prefer to offer my condolences, along with handing over a cherry flavored lollipop. That way everybody wins. Including the dentist.
N3PF5NGPD6 wrote: »
So , no , we won't get rid of horrific ping taxes (at least in a official and legal way) as long as this community has these kind of players who believe its correct for high ping players to have subpar gaming experience as compared to low ping players.

You misunderstand. I am aware that there will not be a change anytime soon, and I do not hold the community responsible for technicalities which are beyond they're control. I won`t even blame the toxic and stupid ones, because they are merely users of a platform that was given to them. You can ignore those which you feel are beneath you. Though all I can do is hope that one day these issues will be resolved, as it have been done in many other games.
Catservant wrote: »
4. Anyone else finding it odd that we are still talking to each other about this? I'm glad we are, I think it's a very useful, but honestly I expected to be hit with the Wrath of the Mods by now.

I don`t think its odd. This thread is mostly informative, and alot of people very feel strongly about theses subject, as these are issues which effect everyone. Like, i`m one of those people which are strongly against game breaking hacks, and I appreciate EME (or whoever) for attempting to resolve game breaking issues. And, no, this is not a PR (public relations) educing reply, I genuinely do not care about anyone's circumstances (BHS/EME included), ideology, or counter-arguments. These are not my problems as a costumer. The only things I care about, are results. And I think its good that threads are being made around these subjects because this is not a black and white issue. I think it would be a mistake to cover everything under the rug. Only a fool would try to bury issues which have existed long before they ever did.

Though I think that you're right. If people would be more respectful towards each other, if they find a common ground despite petty disagreements, they would help create a more positive change. But not for the game Devs sakes - for themselves. And, no, I am not taking a moral high ground - I don`t care if a positive change would be born from utter chaos or from tranquil communication. I`m selfish, I just want the game to be played as it was intended: without horrific pings taxes and without game breaking hacks.
To make a long story short: healing is fundamentally easy, and that's in regard to the act of healing itself (debuffing up time and dpsing as healer, are separate subjects). In a nutshell, it all comes down to how much you understand how to utilize the class, as well as familiarizing yourself with the dungeons you intend to do. If you get good in that, most dungeons should be a walk in the park.

That being said, healing can also be thought of as being subjective. Harder dungeons, require a more intense gameplay, and sometimes staying alive can become a challenge on itself (in addition to preforming other healer functionalities, which should be applied during dungeons). Not to mention challenges which are beyond you're control. Challenges such as poor party compositions and god awful players. You could be the best healer in NA, and still wipe because the party members where not well quietened enough with the dungeon/raid you are doing with them. Sometimes you could even wipe because of lack of DPS, which is straight up beyond you're control (even as a DPS mystic).
Halrath wrote: »
As a side-effect however, the update will also render many other third-party tools/mods unusable.

People are making so much noise, when the answers are in front of they're eyes. People need to chill. Look at the bright side, at least they are openly admitting that they only care about game breaking cheats. So keep you're pants on. They know that meters and most quality of life/ping improvements are not the real devil. And even if they were, too many people rely on them at this point in time, so they won`t kill something that keep the players playing, and keeps the buyers buying. Legal posturing required.

As for the game breaking cheats, like that god awful video someone posted, I think they owe it to the community to do something about that. Really. Fine, so they won`t give people a reason to stop using proxies (like fixing ping issues or whatever), people are used to that already. You know, because not providing a permeate solution for ping issue, is on them. However, I think they should at least give people a reason to log into the game. Why am I saying that now? because you see, when people use junk like that Memeslash to break the already broken in-game economy, then I for one am very reluctant to use one of its core features (the broker). And I think that anyone with two cent of brain (and competitive players alike) should be against these things. Its extreme and unnecessary.
Officially? the system Tab calculates you're DPS for you. Crunch in some numbers if you really want to know. Unofficially? don`t rely on software to improve yourself. Read some online guides. Practice. You can even do it old school by looking at HP bars, and check out how much of an impact you're DPS does, in compare to others. Its rugged, but it works (surprisingly).

You're a fresh level 65 (supposedly). Even if you obtained a meter right now, you probably wouldn't like the results anyway. What you really need though, is gear and a decent guild. Aim for those. Meters won`t make you a better player, adapting better makes you a better player.
High ping classes? id say Valkyrie and Archer. Maybe even Sorcs and Gunners, if you understand which rotations to apply. Those classes are not that difficult (imo), but they are relatively "ping friendly". That being said, I think that all classes can give a decent amount of DPS output if you take the time to understand how to play them. Some rotations are more effective then others. Read some guides, get used to the spikes, and have fun!
Actually self promotion is not so different from propaganda. And.. this is not the only Info-graphic. There is one on Steam which tells a different story. I`m just saying...
Reporting and creating awareness is a good start, but I think if you want something to be done about that particular incident, then you might need to provide some physical evidence (pictures/video) of the said hacking. Expecting mods to be on patrol 24/7, is expecting too much. Even if you would somehow get a group effort going on and get the entire raid to report them (which I doubt happened), who knows how many player logs where submitted before yours. In other words, being on call 24/7 for every-single-report, is not something you should expect. EME are not going to hire a equivalent amount of mods, based on report numbers. Nobody does that.

That being said, I think that you are correct about how not enough is being done to prevent these things from happening. Ive even said that myself in various other threads. Though, contrary to popular belief, I believe that the wheels will keep spinning, and the sheep will keep grazing. People keep saying that this will kill the game. No it won`t. Hacking/Injections happen in other games, yet, most games seem to live on. Gotta be realistic. Interestingly enough, people make so much noise about BGs and PVP exploits, yet, seem to be content with other things. I`m not an expert, but I think that in Tera there are probably more PVE related Injections, then ones meant for PVP (CS not being the most sought after). Just my two cents.
Teekz wrote: »
Someone gets it.

I sent you a list of games, but then I got this:

"[Removing section of Post due to Forum Violation : Any promotion of non-En Masse Entertainment, non-TERA commercial ventures. / Any links or advertisements to download software or games which are not published or endorsed by En Masse Entertainment]".

Thats some BS right there. I guess someone couldn't keep they're pants on. Always the pencil pushers. Figures. Anyway. No matter. Teekz, send me a private msg if you're interested, and ill send you a list of games which resemble Tera. That shouldn't be against the rules. Hopefully lol
Teekz wrote: »
And ive already got a guild who merged during the one day they said it was "fixed" while i was at work and guess what they went down the later that day and have been down. Sure recommend some games

I`m sorry to hear that. We are on the same boat. Though i`m glad you understand that arguing with people is pointless, as it is a never ending cycle that gets you nowhere. "Beating" someone in this argument is kinda easy actually, there are no brain surgeons in here. But honestly, its not worth the time. And if you're T10 as you stated earlier, then sounds to me like you spent alot of time, and perhaps its time to spend it on something thats worth your while. Self interest is key, always.

Here are some games you might want to check out, i`ll list the ones which resemble Tera`s gameplay (assuming this is the genre you want):

"Riders of Icarus", "Skyforge", "Dauntless", "Secret World Legends", "SoulWorker", "Blade and Soul", "Neverwinter", "Guild Wars 2", "Black Desert" (not F2P yet, but it will be), "Bless onilne" (not F2P, but can be played with a VPN).

On a side note: even Tab targeting games can be played in more of a "action sense", if you tweak you're shortcrust to manual activation, and place skills on top each other, so that they will activate one after the other. Doing this saves you the trouble of using a Macro, if you're interested in competitive gameplay, without cheating. It might not seem like much, but by doing this you can enjoy action based combat in a much wider array of games. BNS for example is very sloppy if you don`t tweak the keys. But if you get it right, its a whole new ballgame. Same goes for other targeting games. You can create you're own rotations, and control everything manually.
Teekz wrote: »
Selfish tantrum for waiting over a month for something that should be fixed, EME waiting for a "new build" we all know how thats gonna go. You'd think they would realize thid issue ans manually xfer chars

You know, I am no where near being an advocate of EME or BHS. You can read some of my previous replies on this thread, if you don`t believe me. I think that a lot of BS is going around this subject, and that dedicated players will say just about anything to make you come out ignorant - even if they agree with you. Why? its the internet and a smart person wont bite the hand that feeds. Do the math. However, that being said... even I understand that waiting is the only option available on this subject. However, there are alternatives. You said that you've been waiting for a month, right? so here are a few things you can do to pass you're time:

1) you can play a different game for the time being, or quit altogether. I can recommend some pretty good action based games, if thats what you're into. Some of them are even better then Tera, if you ask me.

2) open some alts on the server you want to transfer too and put them to use: make some passive farmers so you will have more gold when you move in with you're main. You're already going to be there at some point in time, right? so why not make the best of it? if you're stuck in a dead server, then now you will have something to do. And while you're at it, go make some connections there. Why not. Join a guild, or check out guilds you might be interested in. It works. You can tell them you're story and make some friends along the way. That way when you get you're main there, you will already be somewhat established, and you can get down to businesses.

3) You could continue to do what you're doing, and blame the messengers (EME). But thats not gonna get you anywhere. In fact, if you really feel that strongly about this, then address BHS yourself. They are the ones pulling the strings, not EME. Contact them. And if you feel like you're own voice might not be enough to reach them, then rally more people to you're cause. Make some kind of petition or protest which involves more players. Make some real noise, make some chaos, get dedicated. Become part of a statistic, because one person is meaningless. This suggestion probably wont work though. But, hey, if you got nothing better to do, literally, then go for it.
Scrap wrote: »
no...
no, not...
it can't be...
NOOO NOT TONKA


(off topic but fun fact: my pug's name is Tonka, his breeding name is Cole's Trained Tonka Tanker.
I always break out grinning when I think about them having the same name.)

Oh yes...
And... taking over Tera is only the beginning! first comes Tera. Tomorrow? the world!

You have a pug? that's pretty cool actually :O
Shinku89 wrote: »
Yeah, but usually LFG parties are made of friends, so trying to kick is usually ineffective and just causes fights, so I prefer to leave if it's too trappy.

You can get creative though. Scare them off with some fake Spanish. Been told it does wonders for the sinuses. Fake Spanish, Portuguese, Chinese, go full international on the entire party, if that's what it takes. Anything that can imply that you're ping is horrible should do the trick. Though make sure to "throw" in some emogies into the mix. Bad ones. Strange ones. Ones you make up as you go along. Demonstrate a strong and keen will of a person attempting to overcompensate for the seemingly immense language barrier, and you're likely to empty out at least 5/10 parties. No one will want to stick around, or at the very least, they might assume that you have brain damage, and loose all interest in talking. Like.. at all.

Take a friend with you so they can`t kick you. Safety first!
Scrap wrote: »
@Spacecats poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses

And we are living in the dark ages, it seems. Though you're not thinking BIG enough. Don`t you know that Spacecats is just the fallback guy? I think that the real mastermind behind all of this, is none other then ex community manager, Tonka. He did leave Tera before things started to go downhill. Thats a fact. And THATS suspicious!
To answer you're questions: (ill try to be practical)

1) You should start by joining a server called "Celestial Hills" (more likely to have an RP community). Then join a guild that accepts newbies, and actually helps them. No real politics though, more like: "Hey can you help me?", "sure id love too!", "hey can I get carried? my ping is over 9000! oh wait, my cat is going nuts all over my face hahah", "sigh. fine...". Might not be the type of "hands-on" politicking you seem to be interested in, but thats as good a justice as any, if you ask me.

2) Obtain BiS gear, and max everything you've got in you. People seem to respond well to that. Again, not sure if people will discuss guild politics with you, or, at least not the type you seem to be hoping for. But.. they will surely have an interest to hear you out. Like, really. If you're a full +15 with BiS gear and everything maxed, you could even say that you're one of those "furries", and people will still be like: "oh.. ermm..yeah.. thats cool. So.. HH?! (its an endgame raid)"

3) Mission? stay sane.

If you're looking for more a intense (actual politicking) RP experience, then Tera might not be for you (imo). Though I would suggest checking out a F2P game called "Secret World Legends", which has more of a political themed concept. Or if you're looking for something on a larger scale, you might wanna check out "Eve Online" (also F2P). That game is pure politics.
There hasn't been enough information yet, so you're guess is as good as anyone else. Though I can give you a speculation based on what ive noticed in different games that crossed platforms, along with some of my own estimations.

1 - You will probably need a new account entirely. I don`t know the technical details, but id assume that if they are using new servers (or whatever else new), then it is likely that they will consider the new version of Tera as being a separate entity entirely, and that it will be treated as such.

2 - I believe that they will want to create a separation between the PC and console community. Managing two different entities of the same product would be much easier (imo) then, lets say, having to separate between addressing the communities demands. You know, technical issues, content, credit transactions, etcetc. Thats just a small example, i`m sure you could come up with more. Also, it is probable that the PC community might be a little hostile towards the console community, given the nature of the console controllers themselves, being slower to operate then a mouse and a keyboard. Many people already act toxic towards newcomers, so imagine how they would react towards players that genuinely have a slower in hands-on response time, regardless of determination or skill. Not to mention other aspects. Like, if the console version will have better ping, better FPS (which it will probably have), then those alone are enough to become a subject of controversy on themselves. Ive even heard of people that bought different graphic cards, tweaked they're options, read online guides to no end and much more, all in the hopes of improving their game play experience.

3 - Most likely. Some people play PC Tera via console controllers, so why not. Though even if you can`t achieve that by using official conventional tweaks offered via the platform itself, i`m sure that overtime alternatives will present themselves.
Spacecats wrote: »
The intention has already been communicated. When server transfers are able to be re-enabled, the TERA team will re-enable them. At the moment we're waiting for a fix and there is a lot of attention on the issue. There are no current plans for any server merges.

Obvious things are obvious. Still no real resolve. Though no server merge huh? well that`s unfortunate. Once the fix is done, I guess people will still need to reach into their wallets in order to get anywhere, instead of getting a better deal. Oh well. Though I guess it would make some sense, since I think that merging a server with pvp options like FF, could cause some discomfort for people if it were merged with a pve server (like CH for example).

Thank you for the obligatory information. Appreciated.
There is a limit to that "powerlessness" and people are finding that out when they push the line clearly too far. And to be honest, it's easy to fall in a clique where you believe you're the irreplaceable majority, when you're actually just a vocal minority. I really do fear that some people will take that confidence to their proverbial graves.

Oh everyone is replaceable. For sure. So are games, companies and publishers. Then again, I don`t think they can afford to start all over from scratch. I don't think anything can change that possible hypothesis, at this point in time. Ending the golden goose as it were, terminating accounts or banning the largest player base. It is likely that some birds fall from the nest before they learn to fly, and might be made an example of. For sure. But no company or publisher would be this foolish. Digging a few dozen graves (lets be honest) for the expendables is one thing, but committing [filtered] is another. You seem to be a reasonable person, much nicer then I am, for sure. But surely you realize that I could be right about this.
They didn't even need to -- they did do the talking themselves. But it doesn't help, which is the point. Talk less? It's a conspiracy to not admit the truth. Talk more? It's part of a giant cover-up/disinformation campaign. (Player council member says something? They were thrown in to spread the disinformation!) There is no winning with some people. It's exhausting and ultimately pointless.

This so called conspiracy is utter garbage, even the mere suggestion of this possibility is ridicules. I saw people blame Spacecats (which doesn't really play the game, to be fair) and the player council (which probably care more about them game, then of the forums) for just about every problem there is the game. Any person that has a life or a respectable job, wouldn't commit themselves to such a stupid ordeal. And while it is possible that some of the people mentioned might fall into the "no lifer" category, it wouldn't change the fact that this "conspiracy" wouldn't make anyone of those people richer or smarter. Its just.. idiocy. Well personally I just want a server transfer or a server merge, and I don`t care who gets done, or how.
the truth about the fact that people exploiting/abusing the game are ruining things for others who play by the rules -- people get upset about the perceived "tone", get angry about the fact that they're not getting the answers they wanted, and get suspicious of every single utterance as if it's some giant lie or conspiracy. And then they wonder why EME isn't more communicative.

I somewhat agree with that statement, in particular. I think that the truth is that the sheer amount of people that abuse the rules or exploit the game, has grown to the point, where they are the vast majority, to the point where nothing can be done to them. How many people use meters and side clients? if they ban -all- of those, they will kill too much of the player base, and Tera is already not at the best spot right now. Thats how bad things really are imo. EME probably knows that, but are forced by protocol to parade the terms of use, when that subject comes up. Powerlessness. I think that's the truth. Why would anyone attribute any sort of conspiracy here, is beyond me.

Though now that I think about it, if I was EME, I wouldn't want to communicate with people either. "Throwing" dedicated Samaritans at people, player council members, and glorified secretaries, would be the way to go. Id let other people do the talking. Hell, if I was EME, I think that these days id do everything I could, to rid myself of the responsibility of having to deal with this game. Though server transfers are kind of a minimal thing. If I were EME id get on that, or merge servers. I`m just saying.
Oh effortless dungeons I don`t really care. Come as you are. I`d be cool with: newbies, healers that don`t heal, tanks that can`t hold aggro, DPS with x4 pounding, none-English speakers attempting to hint about they're horrific ping, bf`s gallivanting they're gf`s, I would accept the whole lot. I would even be cool with people who are genuinely kinda stupid and overly vocal about it. Its like kicking someone from CW or BRNM, nobody does that and its not really necessary.

Though if its a HM dungeon or something that requires proper gameplay, i`ll attempt to vote kick anyone that doesn't function on a basic level. Same goes for people that cant keep it together, attitude wise. If someone in the party is doing a learning run that's fine by me, but that should be specified (LFG). I rarely complain about people in IMS though, as it would be my own fault for going on one of those joy rides.
I think that addressing this subject isn't practical due to the legal terms of use. But more importantly, addressing this subject is not really necessary. For one, DPS meters exist and are being used, imo, probably by just about everyone, including the people that write DPS guides, and including people on the player council. I cant even estimate how many people would stop playing, if third party software was really such a huge "game breaking" problem for the game devs. Ive said this in other places: if they really got more into killing the software usage, as they are obligated to state, then they would effectively kill the game. I believe they know this.

Our feedback are things they already know, and its more then likely that EME are probably powerless to support this openly. You can also say the same argument over side-client solutions to reduce ping, as well as various optimizations to fix FPS issues. EME knows this, everyone knows about these things, but officially they have to continue barking at this tree. Its they're job. "Keeping up appearances", if you will. They have to advocate the terms of use, even if some might not agree with all of them.

P.S:
There is a system tab that calculates you're damage for you. Its a nasty, but theirs that too.
I am aware these are different issues, but I figured why not. I saw people complain (myself included) about that whole server transfer thing, and people got into various arguments about the technical details of that, who is responsible and for what, and how it may or may not be of a high enough priority for BHS. Well I am not a fan of such arguments. I`m just a simple and selfish buyer that wants to avoid spending cash on a none-functional feature. So ill present my arguments under a hypothetical assumption, that the technical details have been solved, and that my suggestions could technically be implemented. I don`t care how, lets say it was done by magic. The details are not my concern, as this is just a suggestion.

1 - Merge the dead servers. Doesn't really matter with whom. It would save me (and others like me) the trouble of spending money when then the technical details will be resolved, involving the issues around the server transfer. Imagine that the server transfer got fixed, then a month later, servers got merged. That would be quite a scandal for those that realized they spent money for something they could have gotten for free, if they only waited. I realize that doing this might cost a few pennies that could have been squeezed from people fleeing the dead places, but I think that merging is a better option. Communication is key here, but I am sure that if people knew they had something better to expect, and save themselves a few pennies along they way, they would wait peacefully until they get a full resolve. And, much like many other issues ive noticed, I think that if people knew that this was going to happen, they would be alot more inclined to wait peacefully, without going on a thread bonanza complaining about issues which cannot be solved at this moment. What I am suggesting is better then keeping people in the dark.

2 - Bring back alliance. I am not a pvper. My ping isn't good enough for that. But pvping is fun sometimes. I could get into an argument about how doing pvp nowadays isn't really immersive enough, or even worthwhile at all that much if you consider the various monopolies. But thats a technical argument and those bore me. So instead, i`ll go in a different direction. I think that the old alliance was more immersive then its modern counterfeit (Civil Unrest). Apart from how alliance was more of a joint experience, involving more players in a much larger area (which gave it more of a "sandbox feeling"), the old alliance also involved hunting BAMs (mixing pvp and pve), and you didn't have to be Ubber-geared in order to participate. Imagine how much nicer it would be, if the new double stat roll option on our current gear, would be implemented back then. The average player has no real reason to even use the double rolling feature. People like community effort, and, i`m sorry, but the old Alliance system was vastly superior social wise. Civil Unrest just... isn`t all that interesting (imo), and does not have a "community feel" to it, like the old alliance did. People say that pvp is dead. So I think Alliance could help to revive it. They already recycle content to no end, so why not recycle something that was good, for a change. Even Crusade gave people some kind of thrill.
I am aware these are different issues, but I figured why not. I saw people complain (myself included) about that whole server transfer thing, and people got into various arguments about the technical details of that, who is responsible and for what, and how it may or may not be of a high enough priority for BHS. Well I am not a fan of such arguments. I`m just a simple and selfish buyer that wants to avoid spending cash on a none-functional feature. So ill present my argument under a hypothetical assumption, that the technical details have been solved, and that my suggestions could technically be implemented. I don`t care how, lets say it was done by magic. The details are not my concern, as this is just a suggestion.

1 - Merge the dead servers. Doesn't really matter with whom. It would save me (and others like me) the trouble of spending money when then the technical details will be resolved, involving the issues around the server transfer. Imagine that the server transfer got fixed, then a month later, servers got merged. That would be quite a scandal for those that realized they spent money for something they could have gotten for free, if they only waited. I realize that doing this might cost a few pennies that could have been squeezed from people fleeing the dead places, but I think that merging is a better option. Communication is key here, but I am sure that if people knew they had something better to expect, and save themselves a few pennies along they way, they would wait peacefully until they get a full resolve. And, much like many other issues ive noticed, I think that if people knew that this was going to happen, they would be alot more inclined to wait peacefully, without going on a thread bonanza complaining about issues which cannot be solved at this moment. What I am suggesting is better then keeping people in the dark.

2 - Bring back alliance. I am not a pvper. My ping isn't good enough for that. But pvping is fun sometimes. I could get into an argument about how doing pvp nowadays isn't really immersive enough, or even worthwhile at all that much if you consider the various monopolies. But thats a technical argument and those bore me. So instead, i`ll go in a different direction. I think that the old alliance was more immersive then its modern counterfeit (Civil Unrest). Apart from how alliance was more of a joint experience, involving more players in a much larger area (which gave it more of a "sandbox feeling"), the old alliance also involved hunting BAMs (mixing pvp and pve), and you didn't have to be Ubber-geared in order to participate. Imagine how much nicer it would be, if the new double stat roll option on our current gear, would be implemented back then. The average player has no real reason to even use the double rolling feature. People like community effort, and, i`m sorry, but the old Alliance system was vastly superior social wise. Civil Unrest just... isn`t all that interesting (imo), and does not have a "community feel" to it, like the old alliance did. People say that pvp is dead. So I think Alliance count help to revive it. They already recycle content to no end, so why not recycle something that was good, for a change. Even Crusade gave people some kind of thrill.
Same. Got locked afew times.
I personally don`t care whose responsibility that is, or whatever technical difficulties are involved in fixing this. I don`t care whose at fault, or how many good Samaritan attempt to present arguments for them. I don`t care, i`m just a simple buyer, and this is suppose to be a valid feature of this product. And, no, I`m not going to go with the whole losing the player base argument because I think that's redundant. They are losing money, players and reputation. That's obvious. Its also obvious that there are many other problems which might be at a higher level of priority for them. I think that if the server transfer was such a "deal breaker", more then anything else, then they would have fixed it by now. Just an opinion.

Hey, wouldn't it be cool if they compensated the players by merging servers. I mean, dead servers create buyers like me, so there's some profit in that I guess. Though that's a poor business model, squeezing money from people fleeing dead places. Nobody is that desperate, I hope. Though I personally would overlook everything involving this, if they merged the servers. I would rather wait for a server merge, over waiting for a server transfer. Communication is key here, and I believe that if people that shared my opinion knew they had something better to expect, I think they would wait in peace.
What are.. these.. Reapers you're talking about. You must be talking about a rare Pokemon, because I don`t remember the last time ive seen one in the wild!
Naru2008 wrote: »
"Ooh, conspiracies~~ blah blah blah" - Where's your proof, @Shinku89? You're being called out by multiple people (now including myself) about proof that this is some sort of conspiracy, but your claims have no basis, and they make no sense. When you get your crap together, feel free to make a long, detailed post showing proof of this conspiracy. I want to be impressed.

For the people like @LancerJiva who think if people were to Boycott TERA it would fix it quicker (in and of itself would be useless, it would kill the game, not fix it, as mentioned by other people) - You obviously don't understand anything about coding, developing, any of it. First of all, En Masse is a PUBLISHER, not a DEVELOPER. They cannot rush the developer to fix anything.

Well I for one don`t believe in any conspiracy theory involving this game. I wouldn't credit anyone here, with such a feat. Giving official comfy answers to shoulder intimidate questions, yes. This they will do. Having randoms present cyber friendly arguments for the hand that feeds, yes. These options are within the realm of logical probability. As for being impressed and conspiracies, i`ll settle for being mildly amused by whats going on. Thats as good as it gets in there imo.

As for the Boycott. Keyboard heroes are a dime a dozen, but oh so few rebels. And while I do believe that a proper and relentless Boycott would have forced some hands, i`m afraid I don`t think that would fly in a game like this. Not with this community anyway. Sure, id watch a burning house for lolz. But its not gonna happen.

Overall, the talks here are great and all that, but i`m hoping they fix this thing so that I may use the server transfer myself. They closed the official thread, so...
LancerJiva wrote: »
I bet if people were to boycott TERA or EMP purchases this would get fixed really fast..

I vaguely recall some people attempted that, over that whole third party software scandal. It was a good read though. They even posted some videos of other people criticizing the lack of communication from EME, even going as far as to involve afew MMO sites. They even addressed the ex community manager. You could find it on Youtube I guess, being as that thread was removed. Oh, by accident, for sure.

Though it seems that revolution has failed to leave a lasting impression on both parties. I mean, you're still playing right? the 4 people that gave you a "like" seem to be active, as well. Even the said subject of protest (software) seems to be flourishing. So if you think about this for a sec, who really "won" from that boycott?

Did EME win because they're game is still standing, or have they lost because too many people play the game and invest in it - because - of the said software's? I mean, lets face it, everyone loves to seeing those hot full +15s with everything maxed. Even EME likes them, i`ll bet. Now turn off all of his hypothetical software. Forever. That would be a proper enforcement of the terms of service, and EME has the right to do that legally. Then again, if EME did that to everyone that "uses" (sounds like drugs!), then they would have infact, unwillingly, orchestrated a boycott of they're own. One which would have been much more effective, then that of the people which came up with that idea, in the first place. In other words: kill the software, kill the game. Because good luck in telling people with 200+ ping, that they actually have to play with that. Or better yet, go tell people to calculate their DPS by using tab information (it can that be done!)

My point is: boycotting Tera is unnecessary, as it scrambles itself. Besides. The communities overall mentality in this specific game kinda prevents that from ever being successful. Its like: "today is the day I will gather my friends, and we will boycott Tera to prevent further injustice! WAIT! WHAT OMG NEW SWIMSUITS AND LFG SUDDENLY STARTED WORKING IN MY TIMEZONE! LETS GRIND! ill totally get on that boycott thing tomorrow. For sure".

You get the idea.
Shinku89 wrote: »
Yamazuki wrote: »
Shinku89 wrote: »
Oh, @Spacecats , you make me feel special that my "conspiracy theory" was disturbing enough for you to say something against it. :)
Suspicious..? Or it's just because my theory ( the sheep may not agree but alot of people who think a little bit outside the box do believe of it as something that bhs are compatible of doing) sounds too logical so you have no other choice but to address it? :open_mouth:
Anyhow, this is issue doesn't disturb me too much personally.. But, If I were you, I would be a little bit concerned why players of the Tera community in NA are so quick to jump into "paranoid conclusions" (like how you prob would've worded it) , that Tera are trying to "trick" them in some way or another in the first place.


Your theory makes no sense because they don't make money by keeping people on a 'dead' server. Money isn't being spent on transfers and lazy people would just quit resulting in less money being spent. Unless you're suggesting BHS wants less money.

They will lose money in both scenarios, the difference is, where they lose most of the money: would they lose less money if they will "keep the current players intact inside the dead server" or let the server get even more dead by letting the committed players the server-transfer option?
I am not aware of the statistics, so I am free to speculate. As so is you.

I find that proof is the only truth any sensible gamer should trust. And such a truth, should not be handled with mere opinions, mockery or speculation, but rather, with presentable facts on both side. Enough facts and presentations, to prove the other person wrong.

Otherwise, both you and the person you accuse (Spacecats), just come out as being full of BS. Enough BS, to make any none-sheep discredit you. And lord knows, that speculation and BS, are plentiful and abundant.

You are welcome to speculate me tho, as your feelings and opinions do not matter to me. You presented a case, not me. Now either you or Spacecats needs to fill the void. Or forever be thought of as empty talkers, sheep, or tools of some sort. This is you're conspiracy, not mine. I think you're both desperate to send this community a msg, because you understand there are too many complications, for a single answer.
Shinku89 wrote: »
Oh, @Spacecats , you make me feel special that my "conspiracy theory" was disturbing enough for you to say something against it. :)
Suspicious..? Or it's just because my theory ( the sheep may not agree but alot of people who think a little bit outside the box do believe of it as something that bhs are compatible of doing) sounds too logical so you have no other choice but to address it? :open_mouth:
Anyhow, this is issue doesn't disturb me too much personally.. But, If I were you, I would be a little bit concerned why players of the Tera community in NA are so quick to jump into "paranoid conclusions" (like how you prob would've worded it) , that Tera are trying to "trick" them in some way or another in the first place.

Tho, if this was a real conspiracy, you would have to respond and accommodate, under the assumption that the people at the low ranks even have a say, or are aware of the higher ups plans. If such a conspiracy existed, people like Spacecats or the players council, would be playing at the sandbox, as they would be insignificant tools forever, content puppets being fed by convenience and circumstance (in-game accomplishments) at the logical (or illogical) beacon of those that fill their Tires needs/plates. Like dogs enjoying eating at they're masters table, as long as they are being compliant.

If this was a real conspiracy, that's how it would be. As they say in GOT: "the hand of the king shits, and the hand wiped". Thank god this is just a fantasy, right?
Actually, I somewhat agree with you. And while I do think you're presentation is a tad too vulgar, offending people openly like you have done in some of you're previous replies (defending your claim, or whatever you wish you call it), can get you're thread closed. But you're basically correct about the specific subject you are referring too. I can`t tell you how many times the server died, without being given a notice. Not to mention far graver issues. And, i`m sorry, but I have no intentions of following Tera`s Twitter. Thats for people that care.

Which leads me to the one thing you did not touch in you're thread. If this game is not to you're satisfaction, then play something else. Because If you think that barking at the doors will create a change, or even evoke some kind of awareness to things people don`t already know, then you are sourly mistaken. The way things are, is not likely to change, and its only a matter of time before glorified secretaries and no-lifer sheep bring the bars down on this issue, like they have probably done on many others.

Don`t get me wrong, You are generally correct, and I am not an advocate to this game. I could list many games which have their stuff up and running more often, are better optimized, and are more set on including they're community with whats going on, on a higher priority. Not to mention, that being good in Tera doesn't mean all that much for people that have a life. But thats my own opinion, mind you, and I don`t care about anyone's thoughts about that statement. My suggestion: you claim that you're new? then find a better game before you get invested. You say you're into gaming, then i`m sure you already know quite a few.
Yamazuki wrote: »
I haven't seen you provide any alternatives. Stating they exist while failing to list them multiple times suggests there really aren't any...

I have actually. Here. That is all I really have to say about this subject.
If people got it, then thats cool. And if not, lets agree to disagree. I wouldn't mind going into more detail, but i`m starting to understand that the open forum is not the right place for this sort of conversation. Plus i`m getting tired of following clone after clone. I actually wrote you a different and more in depth reply afew minutes ago, only to realize I was addressing someone else. This is what happens when people quote too everyone else, and myself at the same time, often doing a mix between different conversations I have with different people. Too much junk lying around for me to follow the none interesting ones.
aeee98 wrote: »
In short, stop looking at DPS meters, play the game and have fun knowing you have maximised your use with what you have (proper rotations etc).

I`m too tired to argue about gear and rotations, or even skill and proper use of everything I am aware of which can be done to boost dmg lol I fear that if I get into these subjects openly, this thread will turn toxic. So I will not go into that.

I will however say that I agree with you that DPS meters are not really necessary.
The issue is just that you can stand on equal ground, but if want to do it solo, it's going to take more effort than it would for a larger guild. But that, in a nutshell, is the plight of the solo gamer: choosing to go it alone rather than leverage the benefits of a group. If these were buffs that you could not possibly get solo and they were limited to guilds of <x> people or more, that would definitely be unfair and it would be "forcing" people into guilds. But given that you can actually do it if you put in the time/effort, it's difficult to sustain an argument. I realize you're arguing about the principle of the thing, but it's gone beyond principles into the practical now; tons of guilds (even some solo guilds) have put in the efforts to earn these points, and they can't very well turn them off or disenfranchise everyone who worked for them. You're basically arguing that, because of your choice to play solo, you should not have to work for buffs that others have worked for.

I've also played other MMOs that also have benefits tied to guild advancement, and I've worked towards those achievements in a solo guild. It takes time/effort, but you can get there. Likewise here. It can be done.

I don`t mind putting in the additional effort. Thats something alot of people here failed to understand. But I do think that solo players shouldn't have to walk that extra mile just because the developers are desperate to adding more team play elements. I don`t mind if people in guilds got perks. I really don`t. But I dont think that these perks should involve practical advantages over someone who is not inside a guild. In fact, id even go as far as saying, that, for all I care, they can have tons of free mounts, costumes, better castles (maybe interesting ones for a change). [filtered], they could even have elite vouchers in guild merchants, level 60 scrolls, even the p2w dragons, and I wouldn't complain about a thing because those would be things I could obtain myself.

I have infact made a guild of my own in order to attempt getting these extra buffs. But that in my opinion is just an additional, and unnecessary grind, which I could do without. I don`t care about the gold or bank slots. Besides. If the developers wanted to be fair, they could have simply given these buffs to anyone whose not inside a guild, and then let the players decide if the oh so valued community effort, is worth their trouble or not. Now thats a real choice. Unlike like when they started adding vm materials in the PvP shops, or even adding PvP properties to PvE gear. You tell me that doesn't reek of desperation in their part.
Felhammer wrote: »
The simple part of it being you want something for nothing.

No really. I just want the basic stats, without being in a guild lol
dinners wrote: »
I agree with dragon buff. But, you can just join casual guild.
Some hardcore guild kick out guildmemeber without contribution point. But, most of tera guild is easy going now. No drama as like before.
Enjoy and have fun.

Wow. Well that is terrible lol
Felhammer wrote: »
Anyway it is with soloers in any MMORPG. You're going to struggle if you try to do everything yourself. Make some friends during dungeon runs or hang around with a guild for a bit. Make some friends in that guild and see if it's right for you. Some guilds out there have trial runs / online applications to see if you feel like you fit in but also are a benefit to them. Happy hunting.

I dont mind struggling and learning on my own, ive been done that for awhile. And I do have some friends. When I want to do endgame content, I know who to contact. These things have never been a real issue for me. I simply dont like having to be in a high level guild in order to obtain superior basic stats. I think that is a wrong move by BHS. I dunno if you read some of the comments here, but people have turned this into such a big issue, when really its quite simple lol
aeee98 wrote: »
In short, don't whine for this one. Even the "guild bank being tied to guild levels is a bad idea" problem is a better argument than this one.

You can read back on replies if you want too, I probably addressed the points you made in the previous comments. Though I should tell you that you are barking at the wrong tree. So am I probably lol. However, I did not get into any points which involve obtaining gear, and the gold distribution is far from being an incentive. These are pennies (even if you are the only person in the guild, and are entitle to the entire sum).

Look. Its a fact these buffs exists, and that solo players don`t have them. And I think that they should, regardless of what gets done with the said guild skills. Look, I am trying really hard to avoid talking about various skill levels of players, regardless of gear, because I know that people will turn this into something its not. In fact, it seems silly, but some older replies here have already been deleted (by the admins I guess). And I do not have enough tolerance in me to address every two cent analyst thats looking for an excuse to google vomit things they probably copied from someone else.

Wanting to be guileless isn't a crime. In fact, Its not even a real argument. But I do think that solo players should at least get the meaning full character buffs so that they can potentiality stand on equal ground with everyone. Thats all i`m saying really.
Baldurdash wrote: »
You don't need a guild to have drama that happens regardless of being in one or not.

Well I guess you saw my point about you putting words in my mouth. Though who knows really lol

Though i`m not sure I understand you right now. Please enlighten me, where else is there drama in such abundance outside of guilds? what, in global? in alliance? those are known garbage disposals, and I dont even have a tab for those. Or are you talking about instance matching?
Soffyasd wrote: »
Just read a part of your post. The buffs aren't the big deal anyways. Since im a solo player like you, i made my own guild lvl it up alone, now its lvl 29.

Very nice :)
Baldurdash wrote: »
I'm not putting words in your mouth and I did mention catharnac because literally nothing changed except the permanency of guild benefits.

Didn't you say that I don`t like guild because of the way that people supposedly treated me? that's funny because I never really gotten into my experiences when I was in guilds. I never said they treated --me badly. Most of the people I met were very nice people, and I have no beef with them. I merely hinted that guilds in general are known for having drama. And when you play solo, you don`t really experience too much of that. Like, when you grind IOD, its not like the BAM cuss you for killing them, right? so.. again, this thread is not about people, its about the system.
Baldurdash wrote: »
Why would you think I feel superior to you? Are you insecure?

Two cent reverse psychology? really? please lol. You did better on your first reply.
Baldurdash wrote: »
You just said you don't care what people have to say unless they agree with you. This is why you aren't being taken seriously. You could get catharnac awards before the guild update btw which gave you access to power and endurance. The only things that changed is that there is no longer currency involved in the process of getting guild benefits and the reward is permanent instead of a 30 minute potion.

You say you don't like being in a guild because of how other people treat you, but if you meet assholes everywhere you go... I'm sure they're not the problem.

Oh another "know it all" clone fishing for *likes*, without really addressing the topic, mentioning something which is no longer relevant, and putting words in my mouth. Great lol

Anyway. This is getting old. Well, you are more then welcome to think of me as being a selfish player, a noob, or whatever makes you feel superior in some form. I think that people that take anything too seriously (including themselves) should not be playing this game. Besides, I too can force myself to recital blank information about Tera, just like you did. But what would that accomplish? absolutely nothing. Thanks for replying I guess. Ill give you a *like* too.
Shinku89 wrote: »
People here are missing out the point in here. If I understood it correctly, Starkhoe is complaining about the principal of Tera making up this "guild perks" in the first place.
We've all noticed that lots of changes taken place since the guild perks update - one of the most noticeable ones are small guilds that collapsed and old strong guilds grew even larger/and/or new big guilds opened.
Also, Starkhoe said that he made his own guild and is leveling it slowly, so don't try to give him solutions... eventually, in about a month or two,, his own guild will get the perks that he needs in PVE.

I`ll tell you whats funny. Ive noticed that many comments keep focusing on trying to make me come out a cretin way, or try to make me "fit" into some form of "agreeable box-like" category, that everyone keeps following because they say it works for them, and because there is nothing else. Well, i`m sorry but I don`t have to like it. And now because of this nonsense I have to waste god knows how long to reach level 60, just because BHS failed to deliver and entertain people. And thats what this is imo - a way to revive something that - they - killed.

This thread is about BHS doing more BS. And nothing else. People can defend this system and keep spinning this all they want, but its all the same. I don`t have to like it and my opinion will not change. This thread is ultimately meant for people that might possibly relate to what I am saying. These are the people whose voice I would care to listen too, and take seriously. For me all these arguments are just... an emphasis as to why I don`t like being in guilds. I know that solo players are a minority, and probably even a dying race. But I didn't see a thread like this one, so I felt like it had to be made.

Thank you for your comment. Apparently even dudes can get white knights :)
OP, I hate to burst ur bubble here, but...

Nobody is being forced into guilds.

My friend here can attest to that, behold his quote:
Starkhoe wrote: »
Ive gotten by just fine without being in guilds. This also includes gear progression, learning how to play, etcetc.

See, he's happy being solo player.

Actually thats still me. I think you got confused. Its okay though lol
Doganzaka wrote: »
Honestly, you seem like the only one against the system, maybe because you're too lazy to do anything for someone besides youself, or because you legit don't like guilds (wich has a solution already given), or just for complaining, who knows?

Am I the only one against this system? I wouldn't be so sure about that. But you are right about one thing, solo players have always been the minority, and sheep will always be sheep, walking around fences and accepting whatever comes next. And in that sense, you are alot like me - we both have no control over what we are defending. Welp. I can`t change your opinion, so I wont try. As you said, I am lazy and I like to complain, right? I might as well live up to your expectation, if this is what will settle this argument.

I will however answer one of your questions though. I legit don`t like being in guilds, and I can get by find even without socializing. And when I have tried out guilds, I never asked for anything, and I always got the things I wanted by myself. Self sufficiently. After realizing it can be done alone, I choose to walk that path. Its what i`m like as a person. Some people are like that. Though as for guilds being dead thats a lack of content issue imo.
Yamazuki wrote: »
You yourself actually said these stats were not needed and only had any impact on very good players (capable/the best), meaning roughly 1% of the player base. You then said you weren't even the best, meaning these stats actually have no impact on you. Does it not mean you're actually simply complaining about one of two things:
-People having something you don't
-You not willing to take the time to do 5x quests a day for a month

I am not particularly fond of the system, but other than you not liking it you have zero reason for removing it, nor did you even provide these supposed alternatives. What else can be offered for leveling your guild? Tera is strictly about dungeon and pvp instances, so beyond adding entirely new systems there's nothing to provide beyond stats. If you don't want to solo level a guild you already have multiple options, most guilds won't bother you if you're a solo player, and you can also just join the many alt guilds with other solo players and level a guild with them and never talk to each other. As pointed out, being alone will always make things harder, if you're alone because you hate socializing and not for the challenge, then you are playing the wrong type of game for that.

I wonder where you got that statistic from. 1% is rather low. It sounds ridiculously fantastic. If you can reference me a link or something, that would be great. But if you can`t that cool too. Well, I am not in the 1% according to you, and probably neither of most of the people that replied in this thread. But.. don`t you think that people should be given the benefit of the doubt?

Yes: I`m a solo player, me being selfish and wanting things to benefit myself is self explanatory, no? lol
Yes: My daily grinds are more then enough for me, and I don`t like having this aggravation.

Humm. I agree that there are alternative, like the said rouge guilds that you mentioned, and there are many other alternatives which I can also come up with. But I have to disagree about you saying that i`m playing the wrong type of game. Ive gotten by just fine without being in guilds. This also includes gear progression, learning how to play, etcetc. Some people just like to be left alone to their own vices. I simply don`t like this system, and I think that its flawed. I know of many guilds that simply died off because of this update. Do you think that people should be okay with solo playing dying as well? thats what most of the comments I get hint at, that people simply lay over and accept everything blindly simply because... its there. You sound like a reasonable person, can you really tell me that this is "okay"?
Xandervb wrote: »
I also don't like that we are forced into guilds. Mixing social stuff with gear progression stuff is not healthy at all. Ppl who do not feel ready to join a small community are forced into one. Higher level guilds need to handle joining requests from ppl who do not want to socialize at all. Guild communities are more likely to get toxic, even if nobody says anything I still feel bad for not being able to contribute much because of irl stuff.

You get it. You know people in the comments keep talking about "earning" this and earning that, as if this was some kind of contest. Its not, this thread is not about people at all (despite what people keep suggesting), and it just shows you how people blindly jump to defend this system blindly, simply because it is.. there. Because someone else has it. Because Ktera has it. Because EU has it. Because someone on Youtube has it.
NikuroTega wrote: »
Who is this Kirito-kun? :anguished:

Its a fictional character from an Anime/Manga called "Sword Art Online". People use him as an example for a semi solo driven mentality. Why people use him as an example is beyond me, being as he got the first guild he was in killed (a good example for solo player mentality not fitting inside guilds), and he only joined a guild a second time because he lost in a fight. He is kind of proving my points actually lol
canikizu wrote: »
It's just like irl. Joining organizations give you some perks, it's normal. You can't just say you want equal footing in a game where you have shared bank, p2w innerwear, abundance amount of gold ready to feed to alts, etc.

Further more, you can make your own individual guild, it's harder for you to level up yourself, but isn't that the point? You choose to play solo to make things harder for yourself, then accept it.

As you said, you are not the best players, and even to best players, those perks are marginally making no difference, so why even worry about it to the point you have to complain about it? Moreover, doesn't it feel better to beat people who has perks as a player who don't have perks?

Too many people keeping missing the point about equal footing, I think I might just let this thing grow on a life of its own lol

Look. I don`t want anything from guilds, or the people in them. So far so good? they can keep their gold and bank slots, those are meaningless to me, and I have also stated that I do have my own guild. Still with me? this thread is about the system being flawed (imo). Just being in a guild shouldn't make a practical difference. Thats all i`m saying, this is not a complicated thread lol and who said I want to beat anyone in anything? do you think that beating someone with these perks would change the fact that he still has them? this is a thread about the system - not about the people or even player skill. This is about the principle of the thing.
Yamazuki wrote: »
It takes very little time to get enough levels to max out the stats at the top, since you don't need to level your guild much due to the higher leveled "skills" being aimed at CU:V which isn't a solo event and the others being expansions for bank and slots, which again isn't relevant for a solo player. You also said the stats are minor, so how is that "forcing" you into a guild then?

You mean reaching a level 60. That is the level where a PvE guild can be completely up-to par with the larger guilds PvE wise (and only PvE wise). Because a level 30 have the ability to max out the basic 5/5 power and critical (covering the smacking basis), and the same amount of points would of course be required in order to apply to max the HP and endurance buffs 5/5 (covering resistance and longevity). So... yeah. Perhaps the process is a little longer then you suggested.

You should read what I said a bit more carefully, in rearguards to the effectiveness of these buffs. I would have gone into more detail about them, but as you can see, people keep fishing for an argument and missing every possible point i`m trying to make. I`m pretty sure most of them probably didn't even read this whole thing.
I dont get it. U want to be the best.. compared to what?

Those who in the guild, they didn't get their perks 'magically'. They work for it.
In case u dont know, achievement also give u some perks. Extra inventory, more health, and I dont remember the rest..

So if u a solo player, then u a solo player. Why u want equal footing with people in guild?
Now I think about it, didn't kirito-kun also join guild for benefit?

:anguished:

I never said I wanted to be the best, nor have I hinted at that. This thread is about lack of equality which has been produced by a flawed system. Its not about anything else. You should read this again, perhaps the lower section of the thread where I have expressed my support for the positive changes that it could, and already has produced.

Long story short, I want equal footing because being inside a guild should not mean anything, or have an impact on anyone. That is my point in a nutshell. Though since you brought up Kirito kun. He joined a guild because he lost a match, and his hootchy mamma just happened to be there too. so.. social aspects? sure why not lol
AKF3FHXPD9 wrote: »
Not if you're going to be an antisocial [filtered]. Sit in a lone group and do nothing but sit alone, not talk to people or never do anything but play or take part when people invite you to dungeons or ask you to join guilds but go,

"oh I'm sorry I'm a soloplayer *glares edgily I don't do "social"things. I love to thrive on the darkness of my own heart and will away from the rules and laws of ordinary men and woman. nothing personaal kid. "

Well good luck there buddy! ya wont be getting anywhere in the game then. you may be able to get the lowest gear set possible. Through hardwork but you won't be getting anything higher then slaughter or guile if you're just going to play solo and alone.Unless you pay a lot of money and even then. I don't think anyones gonna be soloing them rmhm,s lkhms schm. It has to be done with at least a duo or alot of [filtered] pots. : P

Wow. Yikes lol how on earth did you come up with... that? You can be a poet I swear xD but since you insist on arguing, ill oblige for the time being. But do i feel I need to point out that you seem to be forecasting your own decision making process and gaming progression, onto me. Why do you keep doing that? maybe YOU need to be in a guild in order to get anywhere, but that doesn't mean everyone is like you.
AKF3FHXPD9 wrote: »
I get why people don't want to be parts of guilds. Honestly I do I was the gm of the knights of Reprisal on Vot for 2 years and i was in two really successful guilds on MT. Ascent, and then Divine penetration. I know all about the drama, the cliques,the back stabs

I`m afraid I have to disappoint you, but I dunno what you are talking about. Was I suppose to know any of these guilds that you have mentioned? was that a way of validation that you "know your [filtered]"? i`m very sorry but your line of thought puzzles me, to say the least. I don`t want to be in a guild, and I don`t think that players should be forced into them by this new system. And that is what I keep talking about - the system - not - the people lol
AKF3FHXPD9 wrote: »
Understandable. But at the end of the day. It's a social game.part of the fun is triumphing over multiple foes or dungeons with the help of friends or people you've partied up with or come to know. You dont learn to play the game by yourself you need other people to help practice combos damage. Otherwise you're doomed and you sill get thrashed by anyone who competes competition against any ofher players or brings a team.

All this doom and gloom you keep talking about, when it comes to solo players. You should try speaking for yourself for a change. Because you sir, are killing me already lol
kyoukaya wrote: »
I feel for you, but it's pretty clear that Tera wants people to be in guilds and I don't think the new guild skills are going anywhere. With the nerf to guild quest requirements, you can probably level a guild on your own if you can get someone to help you make it. Before the nerf, there were two people managing to level a guild by themselves and the requirements have been basically halved. Or maybe make a guild for loners that can agree to work together to get the buffs.

Finally someone polite that gets what i`m saying! well my friend I have started to do that, and my guild is progressing. But I still feel like its an unnecessary burden, you know? as if all the other grinds weren't enough.
Kossploss wrote: »
make a solo guild and quit crying.

Another linear meme-like driven comment? oh well. To be fair I suppose your right. I could do that. I have done that actually, and my solo guild is progressing. But, putting... childlike emotional issues aside for a moment, this thread is more about the principle of the thing. A person can make a solo guild and level it slowly, via small quests. Especially now that they have made some changes to that. Making it easier. But... all things considered? a person shouldn't "have" to do that.
Starbuzz wrote: »
I'm sorry we all can't be Kirito kun in this game for you.

I`m sorry you misunderstood me on this simple subject, Kirito kun. But you do bring up a good point. There are many idiots in this game, and some of those people are in guilds. Complete freedom of choice would be a blessing.
AKF3FHXPD9 wrote: »
Okay number one in case you didnt notice. this isn't just an rpg it's a mmorpg=many massive multiplayer online roleplaying game. Its not made for solo artists its made for teamwork,socialization, and working to accomplish a goal.if you want to be that guy who goes in solo sporting bad [filtered] armor and gear killing everything having to ask no on for anything? Play a different [filtered] game.

Not an mmo. Mmorpgs should always have to require people to work together to achieve goals for important things like huge dungeon or raids. It should not be soloable by one person.

Dear team player, your opinion has been dully noted. Though I did not mention anything about me soloing all the dungeons on my own, nor have I implied that a solo player should ignore said mechanics or the elements of team play which are required in cretin dungeons, in order to clear them. This is not a post about behavior and common courtesy among players. We are talking about different things entirely. This thread is not meant to promote sociopaths. So... pls lol
Originally I wanted to talk about the p2w dragons and the unnecessary innerwear, and quite a few other issues ive noticed. But, being as I am a solo player, I have decided to share with you some of my thoughts and concerns about the negative changes that keep being implemented into this game.

Now the reason as to why I have decided not to really tackle these specific issues (the "p2w dragons" and new inners) is, because, lets be honest, they can still be obtained -without- reaching into your wallet. And, yes, even a casual trash like myself could in theory obtain these "tryhard trophies" by grinding efficiently and saving up. And yes I believe thats what those really are, just another unnecessary luxury. A gimmick. Nobody really "needs" them in order to play Tera, and you can still have solid, elbow deep dps, even without them. That is a fact. Now weather or not these items should be in the game in the first place? thats... more up for debate (imo). And the same can be said about the +15 weapons. But thats a sort of debate I will have no part in. This is not what my thread is about, and i`m not really looking for an argument.

See, the reason I am using the Dragons as an example, is because these guilds buffs, while not being earth shattering, are infact (imo) an unnecessary (and forced) change which I feel like that this game could do without. And, yes, I believe that they do in fact -make a difference- in capable hands. Because unlike previous updates and changes, this is infact the first, singular, 100% exclusive practical advantage people in guilds will have -over- solo players. And you know what? i`m not the best player in Tera, okay. Ive seen players in this game which can school me in every-possible-class roles. Ive seen people do that on they're alts, which is depressing lol. But... when it comes down to it, if a person is not inside a guild, they will always be a few hands short on bonuses. I`m not even going to get into the whole monopoly thats going on with the rally quest.

So in conclusion: i`m not saying that all the solo players want to be "the best" or whatever, or that anyone "needs" these buffs in order to enjoy the game. Thats not what I am saying. And furthermore, I will add to that, that imo guild quests and rewards can be a great addition to the game. It -can- be a positive change, and it -does- promote social and casual interests. And I think that giving people new objectives and neat perks -can- be a VERY good thing, and it CAN be balanced. And if done correctly, I believe that it can be fair to all types of players. Why? well because perks -don`t- necessarily have to be -actual advantages, like having more power and more critical factor. Any person that joins a high level guild, which has maxed the basic PvE advantages (maxing power, HP, MP, endurance, critical factor), will have a better starting point then a solo player, and they will always have those advantages (PvP included) as long as this new system exists.

Look. I`m not saying that everything needs to be perfect. But.. shouldn't everyone at least.. start on equal footing? and what about the small guilds, the ones that just want to get by? should they be written off the grid just because they don`t feel like adding more grinds, to the already long grinds routine? I understand that this update is suppose to promote more activity, but is forcing people into guilds really the right way to go at it?

Anyhow. These are just some of the many questions which I feel this updates brings up. And, yes, I am more then aware that talking about this in the forums is probably pointless because they will keep doing exactly as they (the developers) want, until the game loses all its F2P elements. Because that`s where I feel that this game is heading. And I hope that, among all the smug trolls and toxic elitists, that there might be some casual souls out there, which feel the same as I do.
Honestly I think that you love this. But sure here is my two cents. I think that people over complicate these things, often wanting people to perhaps be something that they are not, in accordance to they're gender. Which is exactly why my philosophy is simple: I consider everyone as lying sack of potato's. And, no, I wouldn't want to know otherwise. Why, are things like this suppose to matter? way I see it, women aren't special and men aren't special. Both can be equally loud and sprout the same sort of nonsense. Stupidity is a none discriminating, universal concept. I see no victims, only broker scams. And I think that if certain people are so desperate to seek a difference in each other, then they should take comfort in the fact that no matter how badly they're online persona is composed, there's always gonna be someone out there that does it worse. After all.. white knights and sugar mamma`s have one thing in common - they rarely press "negotiate".

And thats what really matters. $_$
I think that since BHS are promoting brawlers, naturally they would make they're core functions more appealing (easy to use) to both seasoned, and casual players alike. This is most likely what is causing the class to seem ridiculously OP (easier to play = easier to max dps). Which is why I often feel that the last (truly) sensibly balanced enough character BHS released, was in fact the reaper. Which, as many might remember, did not start out as conveniently designed core wise as brawler (or gunner), and it took a great deal of effort to learn how to play it well. In fact, till this day you can still see plenty of players hammering that spacebar (less we forget the hating on reapers in WHHM).

Now, I know you were talking about something different, and I am far from being an expert on gear and rolls, but I felt that perhaps the reaper might serve as a good example (when compared to the other new classes) for when BHS decides to go all Up-and-Atom in they're recent releases. Which is a major issue on itself.

Which is why I think that, if anything, while its true that this thread addresses various issues, i feel like the real is... -not- just the arguably overpowering of cretin classes over others. But rather, that this thread (like many others ive seen) ultimately address the issue of class functionality, rather then overall performance. Not to mention, the pressure that DPS`s meters pose on players and the overall impact that these sorta things have on the community. For example, i`m not an expert but brawlers are meant to be some sort of tanks. And, yet, so few of them ever attempt to actually tank (let alone, block).

Now i`m not saying that all brawlers are like this, some do infact remember that keeping aggro and handling MOBs/BAMs is a tanks relative objective, not a competition (over aggro). But the fact of the matter is, is that all classes (not just brawlers) are constantly being pushed to max the DPS as much as possible (regardless of how they actually prefer to play). Now i`m sure that at this point some random nerd can pop outta nowhere and cough up some numbers, demonstrating further just how deeply he cares about how good he is, and how foolish and scrub am I for suggesting that DPS`s meters are a cancer which fill up the overwhelmingly abundant existing water well of elitist, player hating sheep.

Like I said, I am not an expert on Tera. I`m just another casual like yourself. What i`m just to say is... I hear what you are saying, and I agree with you about the majority of the subjects you addressed. i firmly believe that maxing DPS is skill based, but to answer your threads question, I think that the average brawler is as strong as the average Zerks used to be, before the patch. Give or take.
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