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I understand that more info will be forthcoming, but it's intentional and basically a containment measure until the situation can be reviewed by BHS.

Please, I require my 10-15g per scroll.
Albeit ridiculous, it's most likely to decide the sell prices later.
Basically, we're moving to another world line.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
First, why should Elite who hoarded their boxes and their reset scrolls get millions and millions of gold while the people who actually used their scrolls get nothing? The "adjustment" that BHS did to the sale value of the scroll was clearly, obviously, hilariously wrong given the amount of Elite Consumable Boxes in circulation. Given the care and control BHS has taken to preserving the slow/grindy progression speed these months (even if I hate it), there's no way anyone at BHS could see what happened and say "yep, that's exactly what we wanted to happen!". It was broken..

Actually if you did manage to use all of those scrolls you would have made alot more money than you made by selling them to the npc yesterday. Please, you're almost as bad as EME, at least learn the gains from the dungeons for relevant scrolls for the game you're "player counselling" for.

People had tens of millions of gold from this. There's no realistic way people could have played that much to extract that much value from all those scrolls over the years, and certainly not as "disposable income."

No, believe they meant it's fair having a similar reward while not having to actually grind the dungeons multiple times.

For doing nothing but selling unused scrolls? How many hours upon hours of playtime did those players spend to earn that much? There's no possible world where someone can say that this would be fair.

Reading some of the comments in this thread.
Seems there are a few.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
First, why should Elite who hoarded their boxes and their reset scrolls get millions and millions of gold while the people who actually used their scrolls get nothing? The "adjustment" that BHS did to the sale value of the scroll was clearly, obviously, hilariously wrong given the amount of Elite Consumable Boxes in circulation. Given the care and control BHS has taken to preserving the slow/grindy progression speed these months (even if I hate it), there's no way anyone at BHS could see what happened and say "yep, that's exactly what we wanted to happen!". It was broken..

Actually if you did manage to use all of those scrolls you would have made alot more money than you made by selling them to the npc yesterday. Please, you're almost as bad as EME, at least learn the gains from the dungeons for relevant scrolls for the game you're "player counselling" for.

People had tens of millions of gold from this. There's no realistic way people could have played that much to extract that much value from all those scrolls over the years, and certainly not as "disposable income."

No, believe they meant it's fair having a similar reward while not having to actually grind the dungeons multiple times.
I understand that rollback was needed for the entropy token dupe thing.
But why reset scroll though? Those thing comes from elite box anyway. For those who hoard but didnt open them, well, u still have the elite box with you. EME could've just put something nice in there for u guys. Instead of reducing the reset scroll price..

I deliberately open up those elite boxes when i heard reset scroll are being phased out. I knew its gonna have high merchant sell value. Just like all of those alkahest and other old enchant stuff that i cant remember. Its not an exploit when this kind of thing happened every time new stuff comes in and old stuff phased out.

:unamused:

Worry not, I'm sure they'll be able to properly balance the reset scroll sell prices.
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*Chuckle*
No, I doubt it.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

Of course, shall we have another example?
A bank is unprotected, so people rob it.
Later, noticing the lack of protection, the bank is protected.
All robbers are free to enjoy their rewards for robbery.
Seems fair?

I need another example that ones iffy honestly. So im the robber in this example or am i the protection for the bank? Dont the robbers become criminals? So im a criminal now?

No other examples come to mind at the moment.
It's supposed to mean players that abused the SES bug were rewarded.
While those that didn't abuse it before removal, are basically said, "sorry you didn't abuse it in time."
Apologies if it didn't make sense.
clfarron4 wrote: »
On the SES issue: Is that an issue, given the shortage of materials which has progressively made more and more people quit since this gearing system was introduced?

So the proper solution for that issue is an exploit/bug?
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

What economic exploits my dude? SES to golden talents that people have been complaining they need to introduce more into the game OR the GOLD? I finally got paid then capitalized on all the time and money for elite ive spent in the game. The deal with the rollback im sure is the greed of the people that missed out.

I have a hard time believing that you're arguing in good faith, so I'm not going to keep repeating myself after this. When people exploit the economy for selfish gain, the entire game loses. The people who exploited got an advantage they did not deserve at all. That includes you. You did not deserve to "get paid" for "all the time and money for elite" more than anyone else who paid the same thing, just because you opened your Elite Consumable Boxes before the patch and others who weren't aware did not. This is blatantly and obvious unfair. If this was an award given to all Elite players globally as a thanks for their loyalty and all paying subscribers could benefit, great. (I'm in generally favor of loyalty rewards for long-time Elite subscribers, by the way.) But that's not what this was.

You're accusing people arguing out of self-interest, but you're just projecting your own reasons for the argument into the debate. Fairness is a principle that has nothing to do with whether you personally won or lost in the deal.

No need to repeat yourself my dude. How it it an "exploit" when it was a possibility for anybody with an elite box to make gold? The ability for anybody to cash in was there. It was not just the lucky few. It literally was open knowledge to anybody that was interested and watched EU's patch. Two weeks this knowledge was out. It was literally stated that the gold from the scrolls were adjusted to NA's economy by a mod already. Its not an exploit an exploit was the SES to SEMI to SES loop my dude. The elite was open to anybody that had elite status. The fact that people didnt see this coming from two weeks ago is the funny part. As for selfish gain my dude KAMI and FELLOW are a thing. No group of people should have that much influence over the TB. Buying low and selling high (the nature of the TB) is an exploit using your logic. The info was out there people that didnt look into the patch lost out, just like a character that auto attacks in RMHM probably didnt look for info on how to play said character.

All this talk of how the game got broke is just people and their greed. I got more rich from the scrolls. BUT i will still be rich after this rollback.
SES loop yes and exploit: PATCHED
GOLD influx not an exploit: Rollback
Im not entitled to anything, i just capitalized on a opportunity (buy LOW sell HIGH) *exploit*

Of course im putting my opinion into my posts just as you and everybody else is in this thread.
Tell me where the fairness is when i do my homework and pass when the people who didnt bomb so, everybody gets a C across the board for.
*FAIRNESS*

Of course, shall we have another example?
A bank is unprotected, so people rob it.
Later, noticing the lack of protection, the bank is protected.
All robbers are free to enjoy their rewards for robbery.
Seems fair?
Naru2008 wrote: »
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Naru2008 wrote: »
How long does it take to do a rollback?

It's unknown how long it will take for them to rollback the server. They'll give an ETA when they get one. (hopefully.)

Mockery:
EME 1 - "It's been 3 days and we lost both the live data and backup!"
EME 2 - "Hurry, call BHS!"
BHS -
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*Chuckle*

Margaret, darling. Long-time-no-see. ♥

*Wave*
Indeed.
Hi Naru.
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Naru2008 wrote: »
How long does it take to do a rollback?

It's unknown how long it will take for them to rollback the server. They'll give an ETA when they get one. (hopefully.)

Mockery:
EME 1 - "It's been 3 days and we lost both the live data and backup!"
EME 2 - "Hurry, call BHS!"
BHS -
this-is-fine.0.jpg
*Chuckle*
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED if you all gave it time.

Nice.
What is the actual value of the gold you made?

How much time would it take to stabilize?
Active veteran players got 10-30m+ on reset scrolls alone.

Do the math yourself. These are items that are always in demand, and are consumed VERY rapidly. Meaning they disappear. 100k is 1% of 10 million. Meaning for just ~1-2 hours a day, for 100 days, you too could make 10 million being a brand new player. i.e. the economy would have stabilized within 3 months. Gold would have left those greedy veteran hands that had 3 months of zeta/eta reset scrolls (they were added january 2019, fyi, and were the only big source of gold from reset scrolls)

Perhaps you forgot to count the new price of PP potions?
Not to mention elite? (assuming gold purchase).
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED if you all gave it time.

Nice.
What is the actual value of the gold you made?

How much time would it take to stabilize?
Active veteran players got 10-30m+ on reset scrolls alone.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Catfeine wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

SO how did the SES break the game? Everybody sites this but it always comes back to the economy and the gold. If people cared about the economy at all there wouldnt be any kamisumas or fellows. People just want the gold thats all it is.
Someone has already pointed the SES break out to you in a previous post
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THIS shouldn't have happened.

Shouldnt of happned got it. HOW does it break the game?

Players that abused the SES bug plus players that suddenly got 30m+ gold.
Shouldn't be so difficult to figure it out.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
They literally hot patched the SES bug that didnt effect the game in a huge way. THEN decided to do a rollback the next day? WTF? Peoples biggest complaint about the TB? Sooo that guy that was selling a hello kitty pet for 3 mil is mad that somebody actually paid 3 mil for it when he could of gotten 5-6 million if he was there for the influx of gold? Nope its the people that missed the chance that are complaining the most. None of what you need to progress in the game is solely found in the TB. Yet the influx of gold is the most touted reason for the reset.

Apologies, but are you blind?
This is literally in the same thread.
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Do you honestly believe only a single player managed this?
Lyanni wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
How hard is it to just remove the duped stuff as that is the only true issue.

FWIW, it would have been completely impossible. The impact of the exploits was so complete and excessive that it already completely altered the entire economy. The entire broker was bought out and everything relisted at multiple times the price. Gold has shifted all over the game. Basically, it was a cataclysmic event.

It absolutely totally sucks for people who didn't abuse any exploits and were playing the game fairly in the last day, and there's no way around that. But yeah... there would have been no other viable way to clean up this mess.

It doesnt matter how much people try to explain, some people won't understand the problem counterpoint...
It sucks for the one's that took the time to do stuff fairly, but if there isnt other way around the rollback was needed.

see this quote? people don't understand, trying to explain is just wasting time.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

The item dupe isnt even that game changing, its the people complaining about not getting on the bandwagon


EDIT: I must say that EME should have addressed the issue earlier, and closed the server till something was done, or at least make people know that progress could potentialy be rollbacked.

Unfortunately, no.
Communicating something like:
"Hi, guys.
We're aware there was a major issue with the reset scroll sale price and other major exploits.
A rollback might be required tomorrow or in the next few days.
Unfortunately, we need to contact BHS because we have no autonomy whatsoever."
That seems so difficult.
As I said at https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/31065/rollback-discussion/p3

"Regarding the rollback, seems it will take a day or more for a decision to be made.
Combining that with the atrocious lack of contact with the community, players will continue leveling.
Later, assuming we do have a rollback, players lose all their leveling progress.
EME will be surprised players are displeased either way?
Oh my, I wonder why."

Outstanding EME, congratulations.
I logged in too late for SES exploit and i dont care about gold, but i (and many others) been grinding whole day and got to lvl 66. And what we supposed to do? Like, what the actual heck EME?
How about contacting support with screenshot proof of being lvl 66?

Mockery, this is the compensation.
"As compensation, once maintenance completes we will be running a 24 hour bonus XP event of 20% for 24 hours on all level 65+ dungeons and zones."
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/31083/emergency-maintenance-4-10-9-45-am-pdt#latest
KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
Idiots complain now take a big gold lose

Of course, let's blame the players for complaining.
Not EME for being incompetent.
Purchased a commission from this artist at April of 2018.
Still haven't received the completed art, last update being on October.
Do not recommend this artist.
Will update this post in case of any updates.
Well, now delay pacht to april 18 dont sounds stupidi now rite ?

I'm positive we'd have all the same issues.
Regarding the rollback, seems it will take a day or more for a decision to be made.
Combining that with the atrocious lack of contact with the community, players will continue leveling.
Later, assuming we do have a rollback, players lose all their leveling progress.
EME will be surprised players are displeased either way?
Oh my, I wonder why.
TE5AGN6R97 wrote: »
when TERA na became venezuela's, only eme could do it. this is so hillarious bigsmile.jpg xD

Outstanding comment.
Sort of accurate as well.
Is this change intentional?
Zoknahal wrote: »
Meningitis wrote: »
Zoknahal wrote: »
EME does what BHS tells em to do. There is little we can do about it. If BHS (Krafton) tells em to leave the prices alone, then EME will comply.
I'm very aware of this. The least they can do is tell BHS to give them their reasoning to help quell the panic. Though I'm sure it wouldn't do much, but it'd be something.

A rollback is very hard to perform right now.
Im well aware that there is an apparent bug with the dismantling of semi scrolls. I believe that part as much should be rolled back, and there would be a good reason for it.

But a rollback at this point to me, looks like a double edge sword.

On one edge, you have the people who missed big time on the reset scrolls gold price sale. As always, everyone who misses out, comes out to complain, and demands changes to be made, in this case, a rollback.

On the other edge, you have the people who didnt missed out, the ppl who made big money out of the reset scrolls, and bought a lot of stuff on the broker, stuff they wanted, like costumes, and already soulbinded them to their main characters or whatever.

What do you tell those people, if the server gets rolled back and they lose all the things they already bought? Do you just tell em "serve you right for not letting me have a slice of the cake" ??

You cannot just do a rollback without negative consequences.
The economy will stabilize, right now everything is inflated, but it will stabilize, but if you ask me, i believe everyone who is complaining about the gold inflation, are the ones who missed on the reset scroll thing, even tho it was a thing that was being discussed since months ago.

Rollback isnt something so easy as to press the big red button. Thread carefully with this, because just as many players are pissed right now, with a rollback, you will [filtered] off the other half of the players, so you wouldn't be making anyone happy.

This isn't about the reset scrolls, unless the prices were changed later.
This is about the SES issue.
Perhaps stop making abusing and/or exploiting something rewarding?
A rollback should be imperative.

Otherwise place the SES back in the shop and let everyone have "fun".
Agreed, servers should be rolled back.

Honestly, how can you guys be so incompetent?
How are we even supposed to give "constructive" feedback?
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