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Someone called for trash?
@VelvetCake stop lying, you have no heart!
I fought you when I server transferred to rebind an item.... You ran around a dead server with a pocket healer and full buffs to duel, and I still killed you. You were not a top reaper, you just out geared a server that didn't care.

And to your statement that the community didn't "help build up PvP in BHS' place", what are you expecting them to do? Write code? Setting a duel standard is building upon what was given to them by BHS.
I mean you are welcome to think what you want. But it seems the large majority of players want to casually duel without gimmicks like 100-0 stun locks and permanent block and the like.
You can make a tier list on anything. Since the thread is about duels specifically, then people should consider the pretty common duel etiquette.

And banning certain skills isnt as much about making some classes viable but keeping duels from being too frustrating for both parties involved.
Please remember this is a discussion on DUELS which does typically mean that several skills are banned or bm.

Several people will have different opinions on what is what due to their experience and skills so please be mindful of that!

Something else to remember is that most tier lists in games are made with results in mind and not what a class or character can potentially do. So when thinking of the list, it's best to also consider who is playing atm. As an example, the 2 classes everyone brings up in reaper and Gunner, are probably hurt in rating because either have no one playing them currently (basically every Gunner worth mentioning quit) or the best players of the class (by a wide margin) don't play anymore (reaper). This obviously is gonna hurt their positioning on a tier list.
Yes and no. The game developers definitely made certain classes have abilities to basically make another class useless against them (lancers popping rallying cry against a zerker for example,), but this game is a holy Trinity MMO, meaning it's "balanced" around group fighting and all three roles supporting each other, not 1v1s.

The thing to remember is duels are just for fun and to practice PvP in a casual way. If you get cheesed by deadly Gamble backstab all day, are you really gonna have fun?
Players originally implemented skills as bm to prevent duels from being bigger cheese-fests than they already are and to make duels feel more about outplaying than popping a single skill that negates major game mechanics.
He is using ktera as an example to show that different rule sets alter tier lists, like how both NA and Ktera rules are both very different than just straight open world PvP where there are no rules or banned skills.
Just get guardian gear, there are several teams that do guardian gear only. 1 vanguard daily gets you enough points for the whole set.
Pm "Currian" in game if you are on MT c:
You can craft them too c:
Wait do people actually get hit by double shear into sundering???
I've been less concerned with data on gear stats this patch so I'll just trust you guys in the fact that it is a noticable difference between the upgrades.

However complaining that your +2 gear isn't good enough is just silly. Wouldn't that be like complaining that your last patch gear isn't good enough? It sounds like you just don't want to get new gear. And it's not like getting mats is hard, I believe you don't even need diamonds until +6.
But basically any level of storm cry can compete in team 3s atm?
Their crit multiplier isn't 2.0. a 101k white damage laser did 132k crit.
Got alts? Do RG. Easiest fastest gold. It's an mmo... You have to put time into it
You can do 3s for them as well. Losing team gets them. As well as winning in cs and fraywind give a chance to get a large chunk of them.
It's also giant and obvious....

>Sees ToW
>Stun ToW
>Proceed to abuse the fact that mystics can't arise/Rez/Kaias
>Profit
Welcome to old school solo q, start cc'ing the thrall
Why would you cut out another way to farm? Adding different avenues to gear is what people are always asking for
I think you are overestimating the difference between +2 and +7. The difference between each number this patch is nothing compared to last patch. The most recent Excel spreadsheet that idioticgenius put out has a graph showing the difference between all gears at all + levels, go check it out
Your attack speed must be high enough and your ping cannot be too high for it. What is your attack speed?
The gates just got rebuffed back to their original state, this is how it was before the whole meta of "Zerg the gates and burn them under 3:30". Raids just don't want to realize that getting mid and using mid sieges like the old days is actually good.
No. Unequalized all the way please. Tera isn't even the same game in eq gear.
Thank you so much for the extra 3s days!! I'm sure the people who queue it appreciate it since it tends to die with no highlighted bgs c:
Talk to an experienced warrior and ask as many questions as possible, the skill gap in this game is pretty huge.

Though warrior is gonna be a little lack luster in bigger group fights, but it's very strong in 3s.
Good luck!
You guys know it's meant to be grinded o-o it's decent if you consistently queue and win. And i like pots :c i actually use them in owpvp
Wait why would a player need t11+ gear for 3s? Solo Q is equalized and only needs crystals too?

Plus CS and FWC get not only the most days but also the highest profile days, Saturday and Sunday.

The 3s community has gotten excluded so much the last few years, and the people who queue it like it more than any other bg. So please do not ruin it for those players. @Halrath :c
He is doing the bullrush "glitch" the whole time o-o while it's super annoying, the inescapable bullrush probably shouldn't be seen as a glitch anymore. To me personally I don't really see it as a glitch, because other skills such as flip kick get added features on knocked up targets.

I'm not sure what other bullrush glitch he could be doing that you don't see :/
Hi I'd like to post a serious comment on class exclusion in a team 3s tournament c:

If a skyring slam tournament were to take place now, I believe the only class worth excluding would be valk. The fact that there are 2(?) Patches coming that are nerfing them in PvP show that they are overtuned enough that even bhs recognize it.

Anyone here who actually plays teams know that a majority of the experienced players actually play vanilla classes and regularly beat teams with non-vanilla classes.

If you excluded all non-vanilla classes, I think you would actually see a very limited assortment of compositions. Which for a viewer is pretty stale.

Kthx c:
For 3s I'm not sure even a limit is needed. The more successful teams don't even use new classes.

And as for fwc, just make a limit of 2 of any classes. Because loading up 4 of any class is just not exciting.
There is also the issue where everyones ping there is so low that pendulum>whipsaw is escapable and the long reaper combo people do on NA is basically impossible to land.
Define fix. Doesn't fixing something usually mean that there are no side effects or it doesn't break other things o-o
Nice videos! Keep them up c:
The sound effects make this great LOL

But for real, it's sad to see how prevalent these modules have become in the community. It really has ruined a lot of aspects of the game :/ feelscheatingman
Don't miss then *shrugs*
Warrior has bad match ups? Any class that would be a bad match up for warrior would be a bad match up for valk too. Which is basically only Gunner?

And both classes lose pressure with the latest patch doubling back stab cooldown and losing the ability to spam it until it works.
It was when it could one shot in solo Q LOL

Rez'ing is totally bm though. And priests who rez against a mystic have a special place in hell waiting for them :3
You don't have to do ALL the festival achievements. Open achievements, click rewards on the left and the mount sub category. Look for the mount you want and it shows which achievements to do.

Currently with the festival of the sun available, you can do all but 1 achievement to gain that mount. Currently you can eat all the food buffs by purchasing then on the broker, and you can visit the sky pond at even when rootstock isn't going. The last achievement you will have to wait on is opening 3 of each box given out during rootstock.
You can look at the stats all you want, but you still take damage like you are paper while in it.
It's cost effectiveness was lost when everyone lost the ability to be farm it. And it really was paper lol
Intended or not, it's programmed differently than your typical roll skills and no patch notes have indicated that anything is changing on it. It's a pretty big point for counterplay on a class that is overtuned damage wise and potentially a giant glaring weak spot after the backstab Nerf and damage nerfs.
They can't use their roll to iframe plague. They will still lose buffs. That's a big deal
@Vunak it's not a bug, nothing to fix. It's a different kind of iframe and has it's strengths and weaknesses.
Best.... Define best....
Doesn't give enough "rewards" for people to do it. Feelsbad
That's not even including the actual 9.5 mats which are the big highlight of the dungeon. And with the new gearing revamp they said we would be crafting etching 4s anyways.
Please give us a second skyring day p.p it's one of the best bgs to farm since the games are faster :c
@Halrath Thank you for the timely responses :)
Yes getting kicked counts as losing. Now that you don't have 1000 rating and look like a 3s virgin you shouldnt have AS much of an issue. But there will always be those people who kick sadly.
What is your rating? A flat 1000 shows it's your first time so I'm sure there is are some people who don't want to deal with it sadly :/ sorry to hear you are having such a terrible time with it all.

Just to make sure, what are all of your crystals? What's your rating when being kicked? Also class won't really matter, in eq gear everything hits hard.
When every healer complains about EQ gear, why would it make more healers queue?
It's power hour all day for 1 battleground, so only that 1 pops. 6pm is when it gets busiest but it pops all day. Check the main site page for a calendar of which bg is which day.

Also no more credits because you get a RNG for winning.
I see a bigger issue where people kick after the first round. The first round doesn't go the way they wanted it so they kick what they see is the problem and try to get a better player. Obviously the "problem" wasn't crystals or it would have gotten kicked before round 1. It's players upset that their team isn't as strong as they wanted so they attempt to stack.
Eq teams would be awesome, if they fix eq gear. I'm not sure healers would actually want to queue against the eq damage with teams that are actually coordinated. I'm not saying it needs to match the current BiS gear but it's definitely in need of improvements, and I'm sure the pvp community would gladly help with that :)
Basically what gear said, you call your basic starting strat, north/south/ns climb then just call things based on what happens. Get wiped at gate on offense and pyre taken? Go to opposite side and climb to contest mid. Your climbing team can't make it? Have them back crit gate or contest mid to pull the enemy to mid to defend. There is a correct action to most situations and you just have to do it well enough and fast enough.

Your team gets wiped at gate on defense? All mid and fill all 4 mid sieges to contest mid (or inner if they went there) to slow them. The real thing is understanding that people are going to flame you more for leading and that majority of the time it's not your fault and to just ignore it and learn from the lose. If your team is just worse than the other in PvP by a wide margin, chances are you are gonna lose no matter if you make the right calls. It just happens and don't get too down about it.
@Borsuc I think you took something I said incorrectly. But the people in this game who are the best at PvP and are the ones doing team 3s, are not only PvPers. They are very good at all aspects of the game and do all of the content.

I'm not saying an eq 3s is bad, I think it would be good as an option for sure. What I was doing was pointing out the issue with peoples mindsets and why they don't do team 3s.

Obviously I rather the PvP content reward the pvpers and not need pve to be accessable, but I also believe knowing both pvp and pve is makes players better overall.
I don't know if it's changed necessarily but even from the beginning it's been pretty terrible. Ive gotten a VM may maybe once every 2 days since this started, and I win the majority of my bgs. The 2 bgs that seem the worst are fwc and grid. I think I've seen the reward for fwc twice ever and grid maybe once. Feels bad to grind and spam and see no progress :/
But majority of the people who do team 3s get their gear through PvE :thinking:

The real reason most people don't do team 3s(the people who do have gear) is because they find it stressful because of the large gap in player skill. There are plenty of players who could do it, but it requires more individual skill and effort, which is lacking in the game for the most part.

Which sucks because it really can be a lot of fun since you are presumably playing with friends and not randoms :/
What is your class and Crystal set up? What was your rating before getting kicked?
The latest patch notes show valk's get "reduced pvp damage". So overall damage nerf soon(tm).
The only part of your open world gear that affects battlegrounds (except team 3s) are your crystals. Note that if you are missing a piece of gear, the battleground won't give you that item. Ex: if you don't have a belt in openworld, it won't give you a belt in the battleground.
Praise be on to them who follow the words and actions of THE GOD PANG.KRONOSSSSS
Oh I meant what kind of gear does it get you lol I wasn't very specific. Pump answered, tyyy. Also my original question of why invigorating rage was bm was dumb. I was thinking mounting rage was the banned skill. Derp
What does ilevel 429 get you? Ambush/conflate mix?
Welp I tried *shrugs*
An issue though is the many people who get mad when you say simple tips. Literally flamed like 30 minutes ago for saying "cleanse before healing". There are some players who just refuse advice as well :/
Can I ask why invigorating rage is considered bm?
They are getting 2 key nerfs in the coming patches that will be decently big to possibly very big so while yes they are really strong atm, the nerfs are coming.
Whoaaaa kids pissed
@Naiaki Lies
I'm not sure anyone said anything about how you presented your post but about the content. Mostly because your point was to take away a way for PvP players to get mats. Complaining can be annoying yes, but complaining against something that can help players is gonna get backlash.
Um.... What?
Why are battlegrounds rewards considered "ways to finish gear" and not a way to farm gear?

Having a way to let PvP players enjoy farming should be a normal thing and I'm not sure why people think it's a bad thing?
It shows the rewards are vm9 mats now, that's awesome! Thank you so much @Spacecats
Why would fwc die when it was shown to pop all day last time it was non-eq :thinking: which was during vm7 and gear had both PvP and PvE attributes... So...
Those people are selling them by liberating the piece they want it on, trading it and adding the etching. And trading back. It's not a hack, and is a high price because you can't sell the gear after doing this.
I am typically on between 5 pm CST and 3 am. Through out that time it definitely pops. But I could understand if it's not earlier in the day :/
People say that it was too one sided when there was +15 involved. But ignore that it is still a factor in the current fwc. Majority of my games are still 1 team slaughtering the other. Not because of gear being too strong, but by it being paper thin and the team that is slightly more organized just burning the other very fast.
I have been queuing 3s since the week started and never has it not popped. I have had a period where I've waited 13 minutes for a pop, but that's mostly due to a lack of healers in queue.
I don't actually want that change. I rather both aspects need more than just the character creation screen. And you can say I like killing people with no gear but all of my current pvping consists of team 3s. And actually I fight mostly people in behemoth and I'm in ambush so..... Anyways.

And fwc popped all of vm7 patch. If you quit then how would you know otherwise?
I'm not saying ignorant things at all. It's an MMO, where typically you do content to improve your character's gear. Why should PvP be different?

As seen with the vm7 patch, gear has nothing to do with whether or not battlegrounds pop, it's the rewards that dictate those.
all PvE should be equalized, only that way skills matter
3s has been popping all day though? At least for me.
I kinda just skimmed through this thread and it seemed to get a little heated since I posted on it last. But if OP still has some questions he hopes to get answered I don't mind trying to help. @3LWMDDHHDX
There is actually a discord made by the player council if you are looking for a more civil place to ask questions. Ofc there is a bit of trolling but all of it is in good fun. Unfortunately I don't have a link atm but I'd suggest that one if you are looking for a more useful discord c:
I agree, currently the victory boxes drop rates and items just don't reward enough for the time put in. It feels like trying to gear through pve if you only got the rng box at the end and no raw mats drop. It's very discouraging.

I think the idea of having reward tokens per win could be a good solution. Possibly those tokens could be used to get bonanza boxes or raw mats. Obviously a balance needs to be made because again the rewards from PvP are just horrible in comparison to pve.
Unfortunately I think most people in this thread are looking over the underlying reason that fwc has always popped. Rewards. During crusades fwc seldomly popped outside of the first 2 days of a new season because the top PvP guilds wanted the ranks. At that time fwc didn't really give any rewards that made people keep running it. CS was much more popular because you could level with it and get sea chests.

During the last 3-4 seasons of crusades they buffed the amount of ks you got from fwc and nerfed CS. Thus fwc started popping like crazy.

Now since then fwc has continued to pop due to rewards but the population has shifted. Previously it was the top PvP guilds and dedicated PvP players who were willing to invest in gear. Since the shift to eq gear those players have stopped spamming fwc like they did and moved to PvE due to it being more profitable and eq pvp is vastly different to un-eq PvP. (On a side note, many PvP players also feel betrayed and let down because of how much dedicated PvP content has been cut out).

Instead of the "top PvP guilds", it's now pve players or players who feel investing in PvP gear is wasteful. This is perfectly fine, they are players like the rest who want PvP, they just don't want to do pve or other content to get gear(also okay because some players don't have the time to).

Now the current issue is the PvP players are being split, the eq people don't want to have to pve for gear and the non-eq want higher quality PvP (sadly only players who have experienced both can understand how poor the eq gear is in the larger scale bgs, gridiron is the biggest example, anyone saying it is quality PvP has not done any form of un-eq PvP). The real way to resolve this is to bring the eq players up to non-eq standard. Give PvP players a PvP avenue to advance their character and gear. Not only will the eq players get the enjoyment of seeing improvement in their own character, but the non-eq players will get to use their gear more and not have to be forced to play with the even more unbalanced gear that is eq gear.

TL;DR

Rewards are the biggest issue. Let PvP players gear doing PvP. Help bring players up, not drag higher players down.
Can we make pve eq as well then?
Inb4 the OP admits he has been playing only grid, the single laggiest garbage bg we have :/
Agreed. A lot of PvP players were excited about this patch with the idea that they could gear doing the content they enjoy. Opening 7 boxes and getting 5 potions and 9 feedstock doesn't bode well.
No. It's obsolete. You can't get PvP credits anymore. Just do bgs and get vm9 mats from them. Also it did not get buffed so pointless to start getting it now.
Team 3s is unequalized. It's pretty lit!
Unfortunately from the very start the purpose of the player council was not explained properly. Most people I've talked to thought they were just glorified forum moderators. I cannot speak for every member since I have not come into contact with them all, but the few I have talked to have been really informative even with the limited information they are given. If we want them to seem like a position of respect, we have to first not think of them as a joke and start seeing them as people who can give a bit more insight into current events.

While no they are not voted in by the community, they are a part of it and available. If you have an issue or opinion or idea that you would like to get brought up to EME, I'd suggest seeking out one of the members and talking to them. It's unreasonable to expect them to hear every idea or issue if we as a community don't bring it to them ourselves.
@Spacecats @Geletron I completely understand that events such as Canyon Clash and Skying Slam would take up a majority of your time but when you first became the Community Manager you made a lot of PvPers excited because you said you also wanted to experience the PvP of Tera and help its community. Sadly though the only PvP event I remember you doing was on CH server, a none PvP server :/ that's not exactly helping the already hurting PvP community. In the last year that you have been here you have hosted several events such as invasions, half a dozen mongo events and other really awesome stuff that brought a lot of players together. But the fact that you gave an evil look to someone for suggesting a single PvP event does not make us feel any better in hopes of some kind of improvement.

I really hope this changes because while the PvP community is dearly hurting, we are trying our best to do what we enjoy in this game. We have recently set up a 3s discord to aid in the rebirth of solo q(Since the power hour day for it is atrocious for only getting 1 day). I'm sure the 3s community would really appreciate it if you could even just promote this discord with a shout out during a stream in the future to help spread the word that it is there to help people get into more PvP.

Thank you and good luck on future events c:
It's lit! Please join c:
Slayer has 3 anti KD moves, 1 of them being the first part of hearthrust so you won't see Slayers using it for the anti. And knockdown strike has such a long lag time that it can be punished semi easily if you block well. Warriors I think have 2 anti? I don't remember, but they have block so they probably don't use the anti kds for that purpose very much.

Mocking used to be bm but most people don't mind anymore. I'd just say no complaining if you use mocking and the opponent doesn't engage you as much because obviously you have the advantage, especially if you used tenacity too. Too many times have I had a zerker get mad and call bm for me focusing on not getting hit while they pop both :/

The big deal with valk's anti KD is that it has a longer duration of 15s, reduces damage by 70%, and if glyphed can heal up to 36% of your hp over it's duration. That's a lot of really strong effects in 1 skill. What most people have pointed out though is it is a skill with a cooldown longer than 1 minute, which is sorta the baseline of "bm skills in duels".
Does warrior really have an issue with a non block class o.O
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