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Kregger wrote: »
So let's say i want to get a costume that's not on broker or the store, im f*cked up... right?

Most costumes were lootbox versions so is not a great lose if they come to daily deals as a direct buy.
There is an indirect way to sell EE that I think is better than making it tradeable.
StarSprite wrote: »
metagame wrote: »
StarSprite wrote: »
There should be a reasonable and sustainable way for players to earn a consumable
multiple ways already exist
They're not sustainable for some or we wouldn't have this thread! Feedback has been heard just needs some time. :heart:

Could be they added to dragon scale shop also? If they are included for a fair price this can also help a little people doing higher tier content also.
Vanhelzing wrote: »
Permanent triple vanguard rewards should temporarly fix the gt problem.

Tripple Vanguards only increase talents you get from Island of Dawn.
Pages wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Not that is going to solve all people complaining about talents but I think EME should try to tune drop tables and vanguard rewards to make them a little bit similar as it was when we had feedstocks.

2 and 3 star dungeons droping talents is ok, 4 star should drop darics and siglos and 5 star should drop plates, also the vanguard rewards should give a few amount of those for each content.

IoD bams vanguard rewards should be tuned with that logic in mind also. It is pretty silly that the reward box you get from tier 3 or 2 can give you less materials/talents than tier 1.

If things get done in the right way talents supply wont need events that might break economy again and it can avoid a further increase on their value when gold reward from dungeons get updated in the future patchs to come.

I don't think higher tier dungeons should drop the crafted version because it undermines crafting (the reason they can drop Diamonds is because it's incredibly rare. If you want to reliably obtain diamonds you still need to do crafting or trade them to someone who crafts).

Instead, they should just drop more talents. 439 should drop x2 talents of its 431 counterpart and 446+ should drop x2 talents of 439 dungeons (x4 of 431s).

Make it on basic material or crafted material, the idea is about giving something with similar value as we had in the past when feedstocks was the main enchanting material needed from players, droped and rewarded from dungeons.

Thought you are right, crafting is already a joke so making darics, siglos and plates drops and rewards from dungeons would only make crafting state even worse.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Do not worry anyway, BHS is going to make dungeons more profitable accordlingly to their tier, now we only need to wait when the changes come here what will be the next thing "Psuedo End-Game Players" will be complaining about how unprofitable are their runs.

BHS is not going to make it worth it. They are going to add gold value, but nerf gold value for other dungeons. Sure that 20 minute RRH/RMH/RKH or 25-30 min AAH will get you 2500 gold, but you no longer can log in and run 4 quick queue dungeons as each gives 150 gold. It's a super nerf, but BHS will surely implement it here.

Good luck when your static isn't on, half your guild has quit playing, or you can't get competent people to join your LFG. Instead of being able to log in for 30-45 minutes and run small dungeons, you'll have to sit in LFG spamming for people.

The overall gold "gain" will be a net loss when you see the actual constraints of the Tera playerbase. Not to mention the affect it will have on those random 412 players that think KC should take 30 minutes.

I think the change in the gold reward is something that should be done since the beggining. You dont even need that much gold to make it to SC gear and when you are at that point then you wil need to run dungeons that will give you more than a thousand raw gold.

If anything I only see a good thing from this and it could make 4 and 5 star dungeons more alive on LFG and IM.
Not that is going to solve all people complaining about talents but I think EME should try to tune drop tables and vanguard rewards to make them a little bit similar as it was when we had feedstocks.

2 and 3 star dungeons droping talents is ok, 4 star should drop darics and siglos and 5 star should drop plates, also the vanguard rewards should give a few amount of those for each content.

IoD bams vanguard rewards should be tuned with that logic in mind also. It is pretty silly that the reward box you get from tier 3 or 2 can give you less materials/talents than tier 1.

If things get done in the right way talents supply wont need events that might break economy again and it can avoid a further increase on their value when gold reward from dungeons get updated in the future patchs to come.
I can only imagine a healer or a tank being the ones performing so bad for a group to be wiped.

It is not being toxic to kick someone who refuses to learn, if your group already gave him enought chances. If you are on IM take into account that getting a healer or a tank can take dozen of minutes if you kick your current tank/support class member.
@Saabi not your enemy either, just suggesting ways to include those blue nocs in a way you won't have to complain again from the lack of them for new content.

I believe that it could be easier for EME to include them in other ways than modifying the rewards from vanguard request.

I even think EME should make a post here and show they are looking into it but lately we had seen EME is more aware of Discord than any other social media.

And so far for what they have told me before about suggestions, if they come here to see this thread and read how only less than a dozen of people have show real concern about blue nocs then it might get ignored.

So I would suggest you to make a little bit of noise in their Discord server, at office hours, and hope you can get more people to agree with you in this case.
Saabi wrote: »
Your post doesn't need my approval. It's enmasse's job and read and act upon the suggestions of this thread. All i ask is for there to be easier ways to obtain blue nocs, the way they go about that can be a community effort. You posting "suggestions" and then backpedaling saying we only need them for moongourd doesn't make much sense.

It doesnt make much sense to ask them for only one dungeon either. It wont solve your problem at all.

You can make a better sugestion as I said, if you could think about where they could include that consumable not only as a reward from only one dungeon.

You can read all post in this thread from the self proclamed "True End-Game Players" and you will see most of them are not even making sugestion but only posting personal attacks against other forum users. So I can't see the real need of their claim when they can't even make a proper sugestion for that "need" to be fixed.

They are either saying "EME is incompetent" "EME can't be a normal publisher" "EME only hear casuals" "Casuals doesnt know what they are talking about" "Harder content is no profitable enought" "Upcomming hardest content wont be posible to clear with these consumables" but you can see how most of them can't even make a proper argument and sugestion about how blue nocs could be included. They are more focused on a flame war in the thread than showing a little bit of interest in the main issue, they are more focused on name calling or personal attacks than making a sugestion of how things can be changed for better. If you think about all these things then it's obvious why they keep being ignored by EME, because they are not contributing anything good in the thread but just whining and bickering.

Now if you dont need them for competing against others in ranking then why would you need of them for?

So far the only thing I can see is that you want them for the new content that is soon to come (new DSU), but if that were the case then saving nocs and buying refiners could solve the problem.
Saabi wrote: »
It's not even about moongourd rank. It's about a consumable that shouldn't be rare being too hard to obtain; it's a damn consumable. Also where is this misinformation coming from? "now that most people have learned the dungeon [AAHM] and don't sit on the floor" Most people still can't even clear RRHM.

And yes, I've been clearing AAHM with normal nocs for a week now because I have no blues. However this is not something everyone is capable of and even still, it's making my runs slower than they need to be. Also considering we don't have veliks blessing or talents this shouldn't even be a problem. Additionally, there's almost always atleast 1 person using a blue noc in AAHM clears.

Anyways, I like how casuals assume that we endgame farmers only care about moongourd, why are you so insecure? Is this why you want to block us from getting blue nocs? Even if... how does this even harm you? Grow up.

But like I said. DSU gonna be a scary sight because of all this nonsense. Enmasse I hope you know what you're doing.

You can always ask them to be included on dragon scale shop for a fair price and you can always ask nocterium refiner to be decreased in cost also, you can ask to get normal nocteriums in vanguard credit shop also, all of these things I have proposed in your own thread but it looks like you don't care to propose something that can solve that issue, you only said that you need them on AAH to get 2 of them as a reward for clearing only that dungeon.

Now you can think again and propose a way to solve your problem with blue nocs that will help you also in the future and not only in a specific dungeon.

Should I repeat myself again?

1. Add blue nocs on dragon scale shop for a fair price, maybe 2 scales per blue noc. You get dragon scales clearing 4 and 5 star dungeons, also FWC and CS
2. Decrease noterium refiner cost and add normal nocteriums in vanguard credit shop so you can get a better value for your credits with this consumable being more accesible.

Would you still complain without telling why these won't help you at all or would you like to add something else than wanting them in only one dungeon and complaining each time a new content is included in the game?
metagame wrote: »
aahm is currently clearable without using blue nocts. based on mg, clear times can range from around 5 minutes to around 11, and i would say an average run is about 7-8

clearing without nocts at all may still be a stretch, but now that most people have learned the dungeon and don't sit on the floor for extended periods of time it's much more possible, with or without cage glitch

They don't care if the dungeon is clearable or not with blue nocs, they only care for their moongourd rank.
vkobe wrote: »
so is mean elin usagi bought 1000 arin maid dyable ?

I am not a whale to do that, just bought 3 of them u_u

I am waiting for the celestial costumes also
After this daily deal I am poor again u_u
Buying right away :v
pltnmvenus wrote: »
metagame wrote: »
yes, item exp does have a finite use, and can't be "banked or traded". however, with the exception of aahm, it's possible to replace a piece or two of equipment with frostmetal/low + stormcry while still keeping the ilvl needed to claim vg rewards

if you don't have any more use for item exp on your main set of gear, start up a new set and funnel the exp into that. not only does it make use of otherwise "wasted" item exp, when you manage to +7-9 it you can lib and sell/give to alt.

enchanting RNG isn't relevant to the topic at hand either way, because even if everything were handed to you in a single dungeon, you'd still be at the mercy of RNG to successfully enchant something.

I've heard of people doing this. And yeah it sounds like a decent way to make money. But here... to someone who's not yet finished with their main set, and wants to enchant more... it makes no sense, doesn't it?

I mean, think about it. Example. Someone has their main gear set at - I dunno - +8 SC. They're capped on item XP, all they need is talents and other mats for more enchantment attempts.

So, they take your suggestion, and make a second gear set, which they could funnel item XP into and eventually sell. But... they can't actually sell it until they hit at least +7 SC. Meaning that they - you guessed it - still need to spend talents and other mats on this alt set. And those mats could have been used to enchant the main set instead.

...So now we went from one gear set needing talents and mats, to two. And all this in the name of conserving item XP, which by all accounts seems to be not a limiting factor on many people come SC-class gear.

By the time you finish your main set at +9 SC, sure, you'd have an alt set of gear with boosted item XP, but... no talents or mats. Because you just used them for your main set. So aren't we right back where we were before? A gear set with a lot of item XP and no talents or mats?

Sure, it's a neat trick. But only if your main set is already done being enchanted. Otherwise you're just doubling your workload, and what you're scrimping now for you'd end up getting later anyway as you grinded out that second set's talents/mats.

Passing from +7 is only a waste of gold, you should sell your gear and you will make about 2 million gold for the whole set at +7.

Just don't buy talents or jewels from other playes, just use those you have farmed and sell those materials you probably don't need anymore (like desings, etching boxes or Titan's).

If players werent willing to buy talents at high prices then they would drop in value anyway, I can understan prices on plates or even on darics but some greedy people want to make a lot of proofit from the raw material and if not for foolish people buying at those prices then it wouldnt be even mentioned here.

Do not worry anyway, BHS is going to make dungeons more profitable accordlingly to their tier, now we only need to wait when the changes come here what will be the next thing "Psuedo End-Game Players" will be complaining about how unprofitable are their runs.
MistyTera wrote: »
pltnmvenus wrote: »
But you're not helping.

I was a victim of martyr with XIGNCODE by BSOD from past experience! I'm evaluating by observations. Trying to understand what's going on! I'm sorry if you take it wrong. However, opposing me on my searches. I'm trying to my best, when I'm not computer savvy at all! Still correct me, but not like some person that is creating drama! We are trying to do this together!

Do you know that a BSOD can happen with only Windows installed without anything more in your PC?

Do you know that a 100% disc usage can happen with only Windows process running and some times for a long time making your SSD life shorter?

Why are you not complaining about that on MS support forums?
tisnotme wrote: »
Moonpelt wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Norafin wrote: »
Just when you started to think that maaaaaaaybeeeeee BHS stuck out their head from their [filtered] (male brawler), they shoved it back even deeper.
Elin brawler. Literally WTF.

What, not into loli fisting?
But this is expected, Elin sells.

If Elin Gunner had a good amount of people playing her then why not make an Elin brawler?

As you said making money with the less investment is the way bussiness do profit these days.

Can we all not focus on the ELIN BRAWLER THAT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW AND FOCUS ON THE TOPIC AT HAND? o3o So Awakening ya'll wonder what skills are going to be presented.

and you know Elin Valkyries will be just round the corner coming too :o

TERA = The Elin Realm of Arborea
Norafin wrote: »
Just when you started to think that maaaaaaaybeeeeee BHS stuck out their head from their [filtered] (male brawler), they shoved it back even deeper.
Elin brawler. Literally WTF.

What, not into loli fisting?
But this is expected, Elin sells.

If Elin Gunner had a good amount of people playing her then why not make an Elin brawler?

As you said making money with the less investment is the way bussiness do profit these days.
Xerses wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
cRAPPYGame wrote: »

A support employee is diferent than a GM stand for.

I thought you will quote Seandynamite, CobaltDragon or KitTeaCup.

I think we're missing the bigger point here. It doesn't matter if it was a GM or support. They're both representatives of EME. In your day to day business whether you work for yourself or you work for another company you'd never tell a customer to get lost which is essentially what was said in the quoted link. Then they go one step further and offer to delete your data. That sounds a bit rational and I wonder what exactly was said to them in the first place for them to respond that aggressively. Regardless, with that response from EME it's very obvious they want to kill Tera off now.

You will be surprised how phone support from many bussiness do an awful work (they don't even care the phone call is being recorded and yes I have sent complains and people have been fired). They practically give you that treatment or even worst, not that I am justifying them they surely need to get with better responses but there is only a few things someone can do in those cases so it is up to the customer to chose what to do.
cRAPPYGame wrote: »

A support employee is diferent than a GM stand for.

I thought you will quote Seandynamite, CobaltDragon or KitTeaCup.
Hexagram wrote: »
Pay2play will not kill gold selling bots. I give to you from 07. Although on Tera I am not sure how they are farming gold.

They are not, they are trying to lure you so you carelessly give you credit card info and then he could stole your money.
Rathgar wrote: »
ElinUsagi here to defend all the dumb decisions Tera makes, still. Seriously, stop it. They literally just killed this game. The fact that this intrusive piece of crap program must be loaded to play this game still AND DOESN'T IN ANYWAY STOP CHEATING OR BOTTING is just mind boggling to me. Do you receive a salary or something from EME or Bluehole?

It seems like you have no brain at all.

If you think I am defending them then you clearly havent read anything I have posted at all and just doing random bs post.
Win10 can confilct with Win10 anyway.

I had to block a lot of services and process from Win10 so my laptop could works smooth even using a SSD didn't fix that.
Not willingly to pay that much for a weapon skin but I am thankful that costumes have been released that way also in the last sales we had.
McOnosRep wrote: »
Actually I am now starting to wonder if word of this leaked out before the "official" discord announcement.

The reason is that I realised in hindsight that the biggest market players on my server have always been trying to buy (at pretty terrible rates of course) EMP and strongbox keys in trade chat. But at least some of them stopped offering to buy keys in the last few days, which I thought was a bit odd given talent prices are increasing.

Could just be selective memory or a coincidence of course, but given the debacle with Essentialmana obtaining (and spreading to their friends) valuable insider information it is hard to not be paranoid now about these things....

Suspicious activity about keys prices maybe.

I am sure when no strongbox events are up keys sells for even 500g, but surprisingly few days before the oficial announcement that there is not going to be more strongbox events keys were selling for almost 2k gold.

I could be a coincidence but it is pretty nasty to think that could be a leak or something that was not informed oficially to everyone but only a few players.
CornishRex wrote: »
If people stopped buying it and just got to farming in-game instead, prices would drop.

BECAUSE IT'S CANCER TO FARM IT. After 6+ months the only way to obtain them in pve is low tier content. Why??????? They're needed for all tiers of gear just like feed was, and feed was obtainable through all tiers of dungeons. EU has eleons marks of valor so they can purchase golden talents after any dungeons run.
I can't stand seeing another low tier iod bam and I've been burnt out. I'm still having fun doing dungeons but I can't progress on my own like I used to. Pure pure cancer.

If we asume talents is the equivalent of feedstocks in the past then it would be logical to get them on every dungeon in the game, the harder the dungeon the greater the amount you should receive.

However people werent aware that the new gear progression who has suposed to get rid of the big rng from the past it was adjusted in some way to make it as long as before to get geared. And the way BHS did it was with the amount of untradeable mats and the lack of talents on harder content.

I don't remember the tables in the past season but I think it was something like 12 tier 10 fs on 2 star dungeons, 9 tier 11 fs on 3 star, 12 on 4 star and 9 tier 12 fs from 5 star dungeons (I don't really remember this)., plus the amount of fs you got from dailies.

Nos dailies wont give you talents and talents stop droping on 4 star dungeons and above.

In my understanding the best way would have been to make something similar as we had in the past but I don't know what had BHS in mind when they made the loot tables and reward tables for dungeons.

I hope EME could adjust a little reward in dungeons so 4 and 5 star dungeons could give golden and silver talents in a fair proportion as we had feedstocks on the past.

Anyway, if nothing is done I still will make some gold selling overpriced mats.
And this is going to get worse becuase the end of net neutrality.

Let's see what will happen.
TomRipley wrote: »
And what about Linux and Mac users? They seem to be shut out of Tera completely as of now.

I also want to know about the stance from EME about Linux and Mac users. By far most of them are the ones who need to bypass Xigncode to be able to run TERA.

I know TERA is not officially supported for those OS but several people don't like Microsoft software performance and its cost.
Elinu1 wrote: »
Keys have already dropped by like 500g per key from this afternoon, expect further crashes as people rush to dump their worth pos keys.

LMAO

I am glad that I have only 5.

Was tempted to buy the 100 keys daily deal and because of that was my question about contents on stronboxes.
Naru2008 wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
StarSprite wrote: »
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For those of you who dont keep up with the eme discord.

Could we get a full list of stuff you can get from strongboxes?

http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/tera-presents-new-and-improved-strongboxes

:c
Did you try logout and login again?
StarSprite wrote: »
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For those of you who dont keep up with the eme discord.

Could we get a full list of stuff you can get from strongboxes?
RandomElin wrote: »
If blue nocts are such a big deal for running high tier dungeons, maybe they should just add them as vanguard rewards for running mid tier dungeons.

The complain from the OP is that he only have time to run 6 5 star dungeons a day and he clearly with that comment and his "those who don't play the game" statement is neglacting even 4 star dungeons as part of the game.

Basically I think it would be better to include blue nocs on dragon scale shop, reducing refiner cost and including noc infusions in vanguard credit shop also.

That way all people running 4 and 5 star dungeons will have more sources from these kind of consumables.
6XYCGXLAN7 wrote: »
> @darkstriker07 said:
> best bam is to farm coupons is the giants near ebon tower. they have same drop rate as teraliths in northern arun, and they die with a single auto attack.

Hi I’m new to Tera I’m lvl 13- so all the Tera slang is pretty confusing to understand. Can someone tell me specifically what I can do to get fashion coupons?

From level 1 to level 55 is really slow to farm them and its not worth the time you may have to put into it.

Your best course of action would be to level up to 65 and then kill BAM's level 58-68, they will drop 10 fashion coupons some times.
Dyeable version of Arin's Maid costume.
@pltnmvenus I like the idea of them become tradeable.

And I will insist, I think dragon scale shop is the best way to make them avaliable for end-game players, manily because after you already got your Iron Dragon then there is only consumables what they can really be worth trading.

We can get Strong Braveries and Canephoras throught other means so it would be a good choice to get blue nocs in this token shop as well.
RandomElin wrote: »
Normally, new content means a player base spike. So basically, what it appears xigncode gave us is a retracting player base that is more inclined to cheat and less inclined to spend money.

I agree with this.
It is summer where?

Here at NA is still spring.
what DOES worry me is the HUGE spike in people cheating. It's not healthy for a game when most players consider a third-party cheat program to be required for play.

As an interesting side note, according to Google Trends, the search frequency for "Tera Proxy" is at its highest point since august of 2017, and the search frequency for "Xigncode3 Bypass" is at its highest point since 2015.



So, that means TERA have more players mow than other games that have included Xigncode since 2015?
Why do not ask for blue nocs to be included on dragon scale shop?

2 scales for 1 blue noc, problem solved.
Dokibun wrote: »
7 pages long and not a single official EME response.
"we're looking into it."
"we're a little busy atm with doing events for yall"
"we'll do a poll."
"negative. not gonna happen."
any of these responses could have been used to let the forum community know that they were being taken into consideration. yet not one was uttered.

EME DESPERATELY needs a Community Manager.

Didnt we get a new one this weekend?
Zoknahal wrote: »
More important than the rankings, to me, is the fact that on the Lancer category, theres ppl with scores of under 30 seconds. This is coming from a fully geared SC lancer, with +8 lance and +7 the rest, using all of the mandatory end game consumables, and my time is still of roughly 1min 30 seconds to 2 mins.

So care to explain if this is just an exploitable bug ppl are using for the new petrax? or is it actually a legit way? considering i used literally everything to take down end game bosses, for a low lvl boring solo boss.

Try a Priest to buff you before you enter also.
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I5 2400 8 gb everything works. Same fps, same gameplay (~95 on mid in dung, in open world more). The only crap with small delay while open bank/inventory/guild

Yeah, even if I have no issues runing content (BGs or Dungeons), each time I open inventory, bank, wardrobe, pet bank or any kind of window from an storage source or merchant source I notice a small delay.
I think this issue is becuase the new leaderboard dungeons.

I never saw you complaining before and there was a time before that acquiring nocs were even harder than now.
Saabi wrote: »
And first off, why are you so hostile?

He is no hostile, he told you truth about gold version from blue nocs being easily to get, if you chose to get additives instead then dont be cheap and buy nocs from other players.
clfarron4 wrote: »
Look for C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys...

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There is no where to be found.

Are you actually using what other people had said about that even without testing it yourself?

Repeating something that other people said without you actually knowing if its true or not is not a good feedback at all.
RandomElin wrote: »
I still don't like it since it broke the game for us linux users (probably for the mac users too). :'(

I can confirm this, many people that I know using Mac OS and Linux cant play TERA without using a bypass.

Sadly I dont think there would be a fix for this as this game is not oficially supported for those plattforms.
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Turns wrote: »
Okay, so I did a full virus scan and found one malware in my steamVR file, I fixed it and reset my computer and tried to launch Tera again and finally it let me play even though it was slow at launching up the game.

This means TERA xigncode version blacklist have diferent entries than your other game xigncode version.

This kind of feedback is good to know and can enlight some people about what causes xigncode to not let you run a game.

However, it is annoying to not be able to find an oficial and extended list of software that can cause xigncode not let you play. u_u
clfarron4 wrote: »
This is a Gameforge EU staff member commenting on Xigncode and TERA EU:

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You can find this comment in an unofficial TERA Discord if you wish to view it yourself.

I would call that bs as they have games that use Xigncode.

If that was the case then why that Gameforge EU staff member dont post that on the forums games where theyuse Xigncode?

It really impress me the extend of the lies that some people trow about the Xigncode paranoia.
RandomElin wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
I'm wondering why we haven't heard from EME about this rootkit debacle since the xigncode fallout started. I've seen pretty dire reports of IMS queues that used to be very speedy being dead and velika being close to a ghost town.

Yeah, me too.

I wonder what was exactly what made EME to get Xigncode for TERA and what they really want to acomplish with it when most people over the internet knows this software is not eficient at all.

I know that even if they would explain their motive some players will make more drama about it, however that would be better becuase it could apease most players insecurities about what is hapening.

Sadly all of this make us think that EME is waiting for this matter to get burried and forgoten letin pass the time. Something not nice to do. u_u

I'm hoping it is something like Bluehole pressured EME into it, and EME is currently trying to explain to Bluehole why xigncode isn't needed. I really don't know what's up with EME, though.

I am pretty sure BHS presure EME into it, however I don't think EME will try to rebuke this idea about Xigncode.

Sadly I think Xigncode won't leave TERA and people that has false positives will have to make a choice between bypass it or quit playing TERA.
RandomElin wrote: »
I'm wondering why we haven't heard from EME about this rootkit debacle since the xigncode fallout started. I've seen pretty dire reports of IMS queues that used to be very speedy being dead and velika being close to a ghost town.

Yeah, me too.

I wonder what was exactly what made EME to get Xigncode for TERA and what they really want to acomplish with it when most people over the internet knows this software is not eficient at all.

I know that even if they would explain their motive some players will make more drama about it, however that would be better becuase it could apease most players insecurities about what is hapening.

Sadly all of this make us think that EME is waiting for this matter to get burried and forgoten letin pass the time. Something not nice to do. u_u
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Why there is ppl in favor of Xingcode here? I dont understand.
This is NOT dealing with ANY cheater. Because,Proxy, meters and Cheat Engine are stil working as ever.

The only noticeable thing is the fps drops.

There is no people in favor of Xigncode.

It is a matter of EME doing a bad choice that everyone that has talked about Xigncode has accepted.

The only things that have been discused is about paranoid remarks from some people that doesnt even know what Xigncode really does.

If you read all the post you will notice that everyone wonder why EME make this decision and everyone knew this thing will fail to achieve what is suposed to do.
Elinu1 wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Then I would suggest you to contact EME support and prepare a diagnostic file from TERA tools in case they may ask you for that.

As it was EME decision to get this software in their game then they should take priority for their player base that can be subject of a false positive.

EME doesn't work on weekends, which means people with errors have to either fumble around blindly, turning off all their anti-virus, adblocker extensions, NVIDIA controls, and still not play. That's idiotic.

Why do players have to make their computer LESS SAFE, and disable programs for a third party program that they didn't even agree to use?

Get rid of xigncode.

Their game their rules.

And nobody to pay their bills if everyone leaves

Their problem.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Then I would suggest you to contact EME support and prepare a diagnostic file from TERA tools in case they may ask you for that.

As it was EME decision to get this software in their game then they should take priority for their player base that can be subject of a false positive.

EME doesn't work on weekends, which means people with errors have to either fumble around blindly, turning off all their anti-virus, adblocker extensions, NVIDIA controls, and still not play. That's idiotic.

Why do players have to make their computer LESS SAFE, and disable programs for a third party program that they didn't even agree to use?

Get rid of xigncode.

Their game their rules.
RandomElin wrote: »
I wonder if its possible for one version of xigncode to consider another version as suspicious?

It could be however I have Tree of Savior, BDO, BnS, TERA and several other games that use Xigncode and never had that issue.
Turns wrote: »
I play other MMOs what use XIGNCODE and I've never had this problem before

Can you still play the other game?

Just making sure that.
This is an old list of software or add-ons that may cause that error.

Avast Anti-Virus, BitDefender, AVG, or Avira
LogiTech Gaming Software - these are expressively inclusive to those that have macro's/auto click/multi-key settings/auto hot key, etc.
MSI Afterburner
Setpoint mouse software
Daemon Tools (any virtual drive, really)
NVIDIA Interfaces
Browser Extensions and Toolbars (Plug-Ins) - Any of them. If you're going to run the game, you may have to manually disable any extensions and toolbars on all of your browsers, if you are using them, though it wouldn't hurt to try disabling them when you're not using them. Google Hangouts sometimes causes the error.
Team Viewer
Most Macro, Auto Hot Key, and Auto Click programs.
EVGA Precision
Sandbox
Net Limiter
Rivatuner
Any malware/trojans on your computer (even if you don't know that they're there) can cause it.
Dxtory
Any Program that causes an overlay (ex. Curse/Mumble)
DropBox
Google Drive
Some VPN's
Sometimes Skype
Microsoft Security Essentials
Steelseries Engine 3 (mouse software)
Wacom Tablet Helpers

The list is even larger but it would be good if you can think about what kind of software you have installed on your system.
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Do You mean this one?
lol?

I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic, but either way Petrax still sucks. Before you would get 1 runy and maybe an etching mat every other run. Now you get 2-3 rubies/sapphires, 1 talent, 1 gold finger, and some random stuff. It's still bad.

Now on a single PoP run you can get what you got from 4 runs before the changes, even more.
Synnestraa wrote: »
I unknowingly had this xhunter1.sys file on my PC from late 2017 but I haven't seen anything abnormal with my PC since then. Since I already have this file now, could updating TERA with Thursday's patch still pose a risk to my PC or would it be fine to update?

If you havent had any issues before then it wont be any issues for you if you update TERA.

I have been playing games that use Xigncode for more than 2 years and never had any issues on more than 4 diferent machines.
RandomElin wrote: »
Doesn't steam require much larger downloads for updating TERA? Seems I recall reading that somewhere. What does steam consider as playing TERA? Does it use a launcher like the non-steam version? Does someone have to be logged in as a character to count in those statistics, or is it counting people who are just logged into the launcher?

Steam would consider you as if you were playing if you have only the TERA launcher open.

That's why you shouldnt bother with the 10k hours played from some people over there, obviously they never closes the launcher.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Not sure about all TERA comunity but those who use Steam to get access on TERA werent axed at all if we compare friday vs fiday at the same hours.

Steam only shows what could be a low % of players that are currently playing the game. So far looking at this it seems TERA continues like if nothing has happened with this patch.

u_u

Of course numbers aren't different.. everyone who couldn't login due to xigncode started cheating to log in anyway, and anyone who was cheating before xigncode didn't even notice the patch. It's almost as if EME is encouraging people to cheat.

Yeah, I am on the side where people wonder "why include a tool that is not going to solve the issues that is suposed to solve?"

I mean, I guess EME included Xigncode as a way to fight gold sellers but everyone here knew it wouldnt work anyway, so why make something useless that will only get players upset even more than they are already?
Not sure about all TERA comunity but those who use Steam to get access on TERA werent axed at all if we compare friday vs fiday at the same hours.

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Steam only shows what could be a low % of players that are currently playing the game. So far looking at this it seems TERA continues like if nothing has happened with this patch.

u_u
Regarding performance there are no changes.

Most people I know that play TERA are still playing so lets see what happens in the near future.
voidy wrote: »
Can we get back on track, for [filtered]'s sake. Whether you agree with that Misty dude or not, he posted screens of xhunter1 causing someone's system to Blue Screen, which is the point of this thread: providing objective evidence that xigncode is garbage that creates more issues than it solves. Conveniently, no one's addressed that. Maybe the people accusing him and others of overblowing the problem should go apply for positions at wellbia; I mean, you might as well get paid if you're gonna sit around defending friggin' xigncode3 while pretending the neverending criticisms against it is all just "overblown" since it hasn't happened to you yet.

Honestly all of those risks are made worse by the fact that it doesn't even work as intended. Get that nasty stuff out of here fam. Legit no good argument to have it has been posted even once; it doesn't stop proxy users. It doesn't stop dps meters. The gold sellers are still at it. Meanwhile there's heaps of evidence showing that it CAN cause issues ranging from false positives to actual hardware failure and you're all like "just use it, you're being paranoid," it's like they're paying you for every post you make.

Paranoid comes about the sentence "confidential info theft" that has been spit from other users and no one has proved that, I even dared to share my Xigncode files and people went like "o no one cares" a good way to lose face from them I would say.

Most people here that talks like paranoic people doesnt even make test and share the results with others yet people who are here on these forums that alreayd have tested and shared the results and showing there is nothing abnormal are treated as lairs, thats another sympthom of their paranoia.
MistyTera wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

I already read your post, I already made a search about Xingcode not only this time but also when that was introduced on BnS, BDO and other games, what I have noticed is that most things looks to be made up and people doesnt share the whole picture of what is happening.

Most of my friends that have had issues with Xingcode is because they have software blacklisted or because they are not running the game using Windows or an original copy of windows. Everyone else of my friends that have their original copies installed and dont use software blacklisted never had issues of any kind, no blue screens, no crashes, no error messages.

Interesting, yet my laptop is original and is windows 7. So perhaps Windows 10 blocks it better? I don't know?

Maybe.

As I said, there are more things to look into it.
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

I already read your post, I already made a search about Xingcode not only this time but also when that was introduced on BnS, BDO and other games, what I have noticed is that most things looks to be made up and people doesnt share the whole picture of what is happening.

Most of my friends that have had issues with Xingcode is because they have software blacklisted or because they are not running the game using Windows or an original copy of windows. Everyone else of my friends that have their original copies installed and dont use software blacklisted never had issues of any kind, no blue screens, no crashes, no error messages.
MistyTera wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
xhunter1! NOT xhunter!

If you look for xhunter then you will get also xhunter1 on you search list result, genius.

No you won't!

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This is just to apease your own ignorance.
MistyTera wrote: »
xhunter1! NOT xhunter!

If you look for xhunter then you will get also xhunter1 on you search list result, genius.

If you don't even know this basic thing then no wonder why you believe lies from other paranoid people.
MistyTera wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Why are people making it worse, when there is a problem?! Blue-Screens from XIGNCODE is a serious problem! I really don't know what to think anymore?! We are demanding something better and more trustworthy for customer use! Something that doesn't cause a blue-screen! Something is causing an interference perhaps with some people's computers so I can't explain everything! Since 'xhunter1' is linked to WELLBIA and there are blue-screens happening to people, that means XIGNCODE is that intrusive! So we are trying to get that across!

no xigncode or xhunter1 on my system anymore and it never comes back, it's an easy fix if u still want to play the game.

xhunter1 has never been on my system even with several games that use Xigncode.

Which games? I don't know what in the world is your problem? However, I found a link and I found xhunter1 in my registry on my laptop. I played Skyforge and Blade&Soul, which both have XIGNCODE!

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Not going to bother to reapeat again and again what games I played, you can at least notice 4 games I have that use Xigncode if you read what I have already posted and there are many screenshoots.
MistyTera wrote: »
Why are people making it worse, when there is a problem?! Blue-Screens from XIGNCODE is a serious problem! I really don't know what to think anymore?! We are demanding something better and more trustworthy for customer use! Something that doesn't cause a blue-screen! Something is causing an interference perhaps with some people's computers so I can't explain everything! Since 'xhunter1' is linked to WELLBIA and there are blue-screens happening to people, that means XIGNCODE is that intrusive! So we are trying to get that across!

no xigncode or xhunter1 on my system anymore and it never comes back, it's an easy fix if u still want to play the game.

xhunter1 has never been on my system even with several games that use Xigncode.
Literally no class plays the way they are supposed to be played until level 65. Brawler falls off hard at 65 in current endgame content as Lancers are the preferred tank.

And priest is an extremely active class at level65 and is extremely underrated in its support capability

Not even until level 65, you need also to farm master glyphs, reroll to recomended stats for your class on your end-game gear, get at least frostmetal, get etchings recomended for your class at least tier 3 and you will have a whole diferent experience than playing with a plain and simple level 65 character in guardian gear without etchings and without master glyps-
Aimovera wrote: »
I don't understand why everyone's so against it.
It won't even harm you if you're still an active player.
The point is to release names of INACTIVE characters, that haven't been online for well over a year.
This is just giving others a chance to use a name that hasn't been active in forever, I don't see how that's a bad thing.
Besides, they send out an e-mail if they do end up doing a name release, so if you so desperately want to save the names of your inactive account, you can just log in on them for a minute and BAM, you won't lose them. *shrug*

Change it from inactive characters to inactive accounts.

It is not the same, inactive characters can be from an active account, mean while an inactive account obviously will have all his characters inactive.
CornishRex wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Runinig Closers, TERA, Steam, UnderNight, LoL and several apps at the same time.

So far no issues at all.


BTW Closers and TERA both uses Xigncode and they can be executed at the same time without issues.

CPU usage: 123% :blobsweat:
I don't know what you're trying to prove with running more apps at once

That's not CPU Usage it's called Maximum Frequency which means his CPU is overclocked by a marge 23% of his base clock

Look at the screenshoots I provided, it clearly says CPU usage (uso de CPU) 123%
CornishRex wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Runinig Closers, TERA, Steam, UnderNight, LoL and several apps at the same time.

So far no issues at all.


BTW Closers and TERA both uses Xigncode and they can be executed at the same time without issues.

CPU usage: 123% :blobsweat:
I don't know what you're trying to prove with running more apps at once

That Xigncode wont harm your hardware in anyway.

I already uploaded screenshoots using only one game with Xigncode at a time and common apps to work daily task and social media.

Stressing CPU usage is only for amusement.

123% means the CPU is overclocking to meet the requirements to run all the process needed for those apps. The normal speed is 2.5 GHz and I think overclocked can reach up to 3.5 GHz
Runinig Closers, TERA, Steam, UnderNight, LoL and several apps at the same time.

So far no issues at all.

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BTW Closers and TERA both uses Xigncode and they can be executed at the same time without issues.
R59AL7XFN5 wrote: »
What happen with this ?

It's not going to happen anything at all.

Xigncode will do nothing to block cheaters and bots.

However is good to inform you that Xigncode doesnt do what you have heard/read about it on other unnoficial sources. You can even look at the screenshoots I posted with Closers and TERA before/opening the laucher/opening the game/runing the game with Xigncode already used on those games.

It is false that is that intrusive as some paranoid folks claim to be and it is false that burns your hardware resources or being a risk for your SSD (I use SSD in the laptop I took those screenshoots btw).

There are lot of games that use Xigncode like BnS, BDO, Bless and many many others and you can read how Xigncode is more like a joke that will not do anything to your machine but will not do either what is suposed to do, prevent cheats and bots.
sum1 wrote: »
If uninstalling the game won't get rid of it will rolling back windows first work?

You dont need to roll back, you can delete the folder and reg entries manually or use the removal tool provided from Xigncode developers.

It is like removing an antivirus from your computer, yeah, those malware like avast, esset, norton, mc affe, kaspersky and many others of the same kind u_u
ovr wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Jdog wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Does anyone want my Xigncode log file?

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It should have my bank account info in there.

xD

I don't think anyone wants ur account with like....5 Dollars in it. No wonder ur not worried. I get it.

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Yeah, I wonder how can mere 5 dollars can be worth this credit avaliable xD

Please donate me some money so i can have more than 3 dollars in my account. :)

https://www.paypal.me/mackaydj

@ElinUsagi

I have only donated a few dollars to people from Venezuela, I don't think someone who is from CA really needs donations u_u

Last time I was there (San Jose, CA) the rent of a house cost me about 3k dollars for a month u_u

If people can pay that much over there then having more than 3 dollars in their bank account shouldnt be that hard e.e
Dokibun wrote: »
you need to go outside and stop caring so much

ElinUsagi supposedly works 50 hours a week and makes bank, but also has Time to play TERA 8 hours a day. How do I know this? Because they say it all the [filtered] time. They have to make sure YOU KNOW not only is their opinion always the right one, but their life is better than yours also.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
I am at my office at the moment, can't leave until I finish to check on some files I need for my tax declarations or whatever is called in english e.e

See? Lol. So sad. Such thin skin.

Also, how do you have such a good job when you are on the TERA forums ALL DAY LONG, EVERY SINGLE DAY. lol

Never said I play 8 hours a day.

As always you are only trash talking others without evidence and as always you will cowardly walk away without showing proof that backs up what you posted.

One more thing, it is not my job it is my bussiness if you dont understand the diference then you are already hopeless.
Dokibun wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Jdog wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Does anyone want my Xigncode log file?

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It should have my bank account info in there.

xD

I don't think anyone wants ur account with like....5 Dollars in it. No wonder ur not worried. I get it.

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Yeah, I wonder how can mere 5 dollars can be worth this credit avaliable xD

you need to go outside and stop caring so much

I am at my office at the moment, can't leave until I finish to check on some files I need for my tax declarations or whatever is called in english e.e
Jdog wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Does anyone want my Xigncode log file?

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It should have my bank account info in there.

xD

I don't think anyone wants ur account with like....5 Dollars in it. No wonder ur not worried. I get it.

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Yeah, I wonder how can mere 5 dollars can be worth this credit avaliable xD
vkobe wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
OMG Help! My Laptop hardware is burning!

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Xigncode is the evil incarnated!

xD

lol elin usagi play black desert and starcraft :3

Sorry, I thought I told you previously but I bought an account in BDO when it released at NA, played over a year and leave the game as I didn't like the way it was managed, not because the publisher but because the devs.
Does anyone want my Xigncode log file?

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It should have my bank account info in there.

xD
OMG Help! My Laptop hardware is burning!

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Xigncode is the evil incarnated!

xD
RKC wrote: »
God please will this affect razer synapse?

There are many legit questions like yours and its a shame they are not addressed by EME.

And it will be hard to do it in a thread full of paranoia from other users.
It is funny to see how people that claims to not play anymore come here to make crypost and insult other forum users.

xD

And they say they dont care but they post their thoughts here anyway

xD
I remembered cromartie high school http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2qamgp
So overwhelming threads we have here...
i`m not really read all pages, but here is something that i get from conversation..

1. XIGNCODE3 seem designed not to prevent hack or anything in game, the purpose seem to be monitoring the system while playing the game, this data collection seem to be analize in result to gives player punisment or ban, if they were doing something like cheat, hack, or probihited modification in the games.

2. The problem `if` XIGNCODE3 was implemented in TERA, that would effected in player PC/laptop performance significantly, since TERA was poorly optimized.

3. Problem when launching the game and another error would be happen, if they implemented XIGNCODE3.

4. I dont know if this valid, but since XIGNCODE3 was monitoring the player system since they play, is that probably XIGNCODE3 would do mistake, that result in wrong data report and punish innocence player which is honest, i dont know..

Sorry for my bad english..
for anyone feel free to reply or quote my post,
and thank you in advance :)

Its pretty much as you said.
why eme does not answer the comments?

Maybe because they were forced to make this decision by BHS and they don't even have enought info about how Xingcode will operate until they get the patch ready?
Waiting for this to get more votes than Valkyrie name pool... /jk
DIONI wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Starkhoe wrote: »
Maybe i`m wrong about all of this. Who knows really. But hey worse case this game just dies and everyone moves on to another game. Maybe to something like BDO which also uses Xigncode lol

Or they are going to play Bless than also uses Xingcode... oh wait!

To be fair Bless doesnt have hackers... or players

This is a good one xD
Starkhoe wrote: »
Maybe i`m wrong about all of this. Who knows really. But hey worse case this game just dies and everyone moves on to another game. Maybe to something like BDO which also uses Xigncode lol

Or they are going to play Bless than also uses Xingcode... oh wait!
MistyTera wrote: »
I saw nothing of the sort, but the XIGNCODE only scans for hacking programs running and processes in Tera. That's it! It doesn't read your personal information.

If Xingcode on TERA works as it works on Closers then I suspect the scan is lesser than people claim over here.

Anyway, EME need to address the purpose of this "security update" because so far most people knows it wont stop cheaters at all and false positives is something too risky to get from a tool that won't get to do what it is supposed to do (there is already a by-pass to not let it install or to making it useless).
Khalgoroth wrote: »
We NEED the REASON why it's being implemented and I don't know why people are DEFENDING this.

Just so people know, I am not defending it and I also wonder why to make that decision now. I also want to know what EME expect from this rootkit that it only seems to not achieve the purpose it was designed for.

If the worst came to worst (what is not exactly confidential info being leaked as no one has proved that) the most I will do is to ignore it.
DIONI wrote: »
I got some info about Xigncode from a friend

3 - Its useless as antt-cheat program, maybe eme was scammed

4 - This is the most important: False positives can happen, if the company is good theres not so much problem (eme? LOL)

Those 2 points are what I think are the more importan issues about Xingcode.

I don't think EME was scammed, I think BHS gave out the order to implement it on our region.

About the false positives, yes this has happened at other games so it makes me wonder if EME said anything to BHS before they start making arragements in NA to implement it. False positives can be the main thing that could hurt playerbase the most. Right now support looks like they can't handle most of the current tickets and with this they could get overflowded by tickets about this matter making support service more slow than it is already.
I cant understand yankees :P
Seriously, there is ppl in favor to install this shi* EVEN KNOWING THAT IS ALREADY FUC**D BY CHEATERS?
So, it is basically USELESS.

I think everyone agree about Xingcode won't serve the purpose its suposed to fullfill.

Here we are arguing about people overreacting and spiting lies about what does and what not that tool, and how much stress mean for hardware.

The hardware part is easy to show proof about how will not damage your hardware and if you worry if a potato pc will have performance issues, well, you already have performance issues so I doubt you will ever find how much performance you are losing because of Xingcode anyway.

I have seen windows 10 process burn 100% disc usage on SSD and 100% CPU usage also, without nothing else installed. I have seen how many people have to tweak it and also their webbrowsers because performance issues. And here I am only talking about 2 things that most people use.

Xingcode by far it doesnt show signs to use even 0.1% of the laptop resources that I was using today.
DeusFurta wrote: »
Secondly data is being processed in Korea Wellbia says that it is in their EULA under "Data Collection"
The performance issue is clearly not true and so far no one has shared proof of confidential data stolen and being delivered to korea.

I asure you most of your personal info was already sold by your cellphone services provider. If you doubt it then get a new cellphone number and don't share it with anyone, do not use an smart phone (yes, there are some still on the market) and you will see how you will sudenly days later or in some cases even the same day, you will receive calls from bussiness making you offers diferent from the one you got your new cellphone number.

If info would be that precious to people I wonder how you hasnt stopped them to leak your info around the world. It is really disgusting looking at how more important issues get overlooked and when it comes to this laughtable efforts from a game bussiness people become paranoid xD
Khernz wrote: »
the blind whiteknighting will never stop. so just ignore the paid ad. literally 1 mongol trying to whiteknight against hundreds, its actually even entertaining to watch at this point.

So far paranoid people hasnt show evidence about they claim.

So it can works the other way also, 1 person against hundreds of mongols.

Just to make it clear for those people that only spit info without backing up anything, if Xingcode would work as they said they there would not be a workaround it or a bypass at all.

Xingcode doesnt work as intended because it only works over a blacklist of process and that's why Proxy and many other apps can bypass that tool.

So before anything people that claims Xingcode looks at your personal info, bank accounts passwords and everything they have claimed up until now they should post proof about it.

So far they only goes for the bla bla bla and nothing relevant but just assumptions.

The performance issue is clearly not true and so far no one has shared proof of confidential data stolen and being delivered to korea.
CornishRex wrote: »
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
Elite will no longer be tradeable?

That said, the daily deals are extremely lacking. If they made some interesting weekly themes for example where they would bring back accessories, costumes and mounts to complete a look or if there was a larger amount of desirable items daily I could see it work. The way it is now is pretty sad.

Maybe making it a weekly or weekendly deal with at least 14 diferent items over there.

I agree that this daily deals doesnt motivate to spend money at all and less for those who already have most of the cash shop items in their hands.
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