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AbstractCH wrote: »
I wish they’d finally use baldera. :(

And Velika Wilds.
It would honestly be beyond boring if they make the 5 levels all in some dungeon thing.
Reminds me of a similar discussion some time ago, a player was concerned about it because he wanted to keep them as a sort of memento or such, meanwhile others want it removed to clear up the trash.
Another one of the "can't please 'em all" situations, but a good option would be to be able to manually delete yourself learned designs.
Nopi wrote: »
This is a Necro thread from April (and I just slightly un-necroed it again from november 29), but I still wanted to say that I played with an xbox 360 pad and currently a Steam controller. All I can say is that you will still need your m+kb nearby and at the ready for certain things, but at least combat can be done with the controller alone.

kek only saw it now that it was a necro, attention 1/10
I don't understand why people bash the controller when they play console games with a controller. take the time to assign skills to your buttons on your controller and play with it a bit and then decide for yourself.

The controller layout on TERA PC is serviceable, but honestly not very intuitive. You don't get very good visibility of how your skills align to buttons, and the UI is still very mouse-centric. (It doesn't help that it has a memory leak that affects many controller types as well.) It's something you can make work, absolutely, but the new layout on the console game is much more controller-friendly.

I use a controller on a lot of PC games, but never could enjoy it on TERA PC -- but TERA Console works well for me. So I do think it would be good for them to at least bring over that UI/control scheme as an option, if they can. But that doesn't mean that people cannot use what's there now. I'm sure some will even prefer it if it makes more sense for them.

At least on previous system (no time to play anything right now...) in therms of intuitive I would say it's a mixed bag: actions all show up to press F OR RT (on Xbox controller), it shows what button to press for confirmation or denial and such, and the little controller at the bottom that showed what key press does what was pretty nice, but incomplete. Adding skills to the bar was guesswork tho, and you had to try where it went with RB/LB.
Not to mention the mouse pointer thingy that was honestly quite intuitive (once you test it 1st, it becomes sorta logic), but not really optimized for prolonged use. As far as it was, I would say 5/10, hope it got better.
Playing itself, controlling character and using skills, I can't see it getting much worse than that one C button messed up so it controls very well, for me it was a solid 9/10 until they messed character/camera direction selection to forced fixed stuff, now 7/10.

If controller use on console is significantly different, then it does require trying both for a while to see what is better.
Nyanta's link is great, at least Passmark is what I use as a comparison for stuff. Ctrl+F and type the CPU's name/code and bingo.

GPU wise: it will be bottlenecked. It isn't all that strong frankly, will need to keep the graphics quite on the low side, or it's a slideshow.

I say this because I play on a GTX 550 Ti, max graphics, and get ~30 FPS on average. Shoot the graphics down the floor and it jumps to 60ish almost anywhere, but since I just can't see motion properly anyway I don't bother and like seeing it well.

The issue, is that even tho my card barely manages it, those mobile GPUs listed a bit above half of my card's performance, the AMD one being the better mobile one:
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+920MX
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD+8790M&id=2993
https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+550+Ti&id=16

The CPUs mentioned whoever, sound like very powerful for the task and should suffice (that is, as much as you can feasibly. NOTHING is enough for TERA, like, ever). Laptop Turbo Boost is usually way more aggressive for single thread right? Given the huge jumps in clocks from stock to turbo max, and yes, TERA uses 2 cores to about 100% and leave the rest to the system, so turbo should hit high enough frequencies.

TL;DR: you'll need to compromise on framerate and/or graphics, but those two options can run it somehow.
Jerichow wrote: »
Partyblast wrote: »
Thing is, this is just the same thing they pulled months ago and a few months before etc etc. This swap benefits a group of people but then ruins the connection for another group, eventually the complaints will become too much again and EME will once again swap back to Zayo and tip the connections again.

It's because Zayo had gotten particularly bad over the last few weeks with spikes for some every day. So yeah, it very much is the lesser of two evils, and not a good permanent solution. (No matter what they do, probably won't be perfect for everyone. Still, it'd be nice if there were an Option C at least.)

Option C could be renting out new servers to run the game on through a more reliable client. Seems the two EME are using are hit-or-miss and were probably cheap and unreliable services chosen to save money.

As far as I remember (which could be wrong) but when Spacecats was here they made that Wonderholme server as a cloud computing test, and it was hosted in some Microsoft servers if I recall. Didn't do all thaaat much better ping wise (in fact my ping went up to 300 I think) but some people said it was more stable even with higher ping.

Makes me wonder how far is En Masse's hardware capable of running spaghetti code
Well, even tho I just can't play at all until like mid December (thanks uni...), I can still contribute a bit.
Test ran just now:

Rastreando a rota para diag.enmasse.com [208.67.49.36]
com no máximo 30 saltos:

1 3 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
2 11 ms 10 ms 9 ms 10.111.192.1
3 16 ms 25 ms 14 ms 201.21.192.1
4 12 ms 17 ms 13 ms 201.21.192.10
5 13 ms 12 ms 11 ms 201.21.192.1
6 26 ms 21 ms 22 ms 189.86.58.69
7 24 ms 21 ms 29 ms 200.244.214.95
8 146 ms 160 ms 149 ms 200.230.230.28
9 * * * Esgotado o tempo limite do pedido. <-maximum request time surpassed
10 * * * Esgotado o tempo limite do pedido.
11 207 ms 220 ms 174 ms 4.68.74.158
12 * * * Esgotado o tempo limite do pedido.
13 168 ms 170 ms 165 ms 216.33.94.118
14 170 ms 172 ms 174 ms 64.37.205.6
15 180 ms 180 ms 179 ms 208.67.48.14
16 169 ms 172 ms 170 ms 208.67.48.14
17 165 ms 167 ms 171 ms 208.67.49.36

From Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil.
My normal game ping was 180ms, jumping occasionally to 210 tops, never dipping much bellow 180ms (I think never)
> ThePieBoy said:
> I think op is reminiscing of the days where max level (60) players were camping the bridge at Lumber Town and killing level 10 players who were trying to get through to do their quests. And people would bring entire guilds to fight there when someone rub them the wrong way.

At least back then there was a population. Took that away and guess what? Population left too.
*shrugs*

That correlation is going way too far, next step drinking water kills you cause everyone that had a cup once in their life either died or will die.

Forgetting conveniently a bunch of stuff here no? Including, well, the ones inconvenienced by that factor itself
This is bait...

TASTY BAIT CAN'T RESIST!!!
Dydric wrote: »
I think Elins are the most sexy things in the game! They look so hot to be 500+ years old! That being said do you think they will just delete the other races in game and make it all about the Elins or just make a Elin spin off game? I don't see the point of the other lesser races. Elin is one of the big reasons why I play this game and all the other lesser races kill it for me. Also do you think they will add a boy Elin? I would love a boy Elin but he has 2 be as cute...


Master Race:
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The Exiled Real of Pora Elinu FTW! (TERPE not too cute of an acronym tho)

Nah the other races can stay, we can give TERA to them and work on a VR Elin-only game

And no boy Elin. Loli only, screw the shotas
Pwhoops wrote: »
I wonder how many reports it’ll take until this guy gets banned from forums for useless thread spamming..

Lol the entire forum is useless 90% of the time anyway, may as well have fun while being useless.
DL7MMWLJ3W wrote: »
Not necessary to do that anyways.

More importantly, having that change could break or exploit something in the game cause there's a huge reputation for that. So best to just leave it alone...

I would argue tho, that breathing makes TERA exploitable. I mean you don't even need the game to inject stuff into the servers so I don't need my sentence to go as far as "Installing TERA makes TERA exploitable".

Point is valid tho, that it can open up another door for exploits... as always.

Regarding effort taken, it would likely take less effort to leave it same as K-TERA.
I seen these gamble boxes, and am not interested in them at all. I prefer to know what I am getting for my money. Do they not try to make money with this game? Just an observation, but if this was my game I would make sure that outfits for sale was a top priority for players. I understand some outfits are seasonal, and some are for dungeons/pvp, but nice outfits should also be available in the store for purchase. As a new player I have to say the outfits I see in the store right now are dreadful, and would not waste my money on them.

You're not alone on your mentality (thankfully as well, when it comes to the lootbox crap), and we've also debated this quite a lot. The store used to have a TON more stuff all year around, but they went with this stupid fake scarcity tactic to force people into impulse purchases when the item hits the store or daily deals.

It really is highly debatable if the impulse purchases are giving them more money rather than constantly having the store full of attractive stuff, daily tempting you instead of rushing you. I would definitely prefer them having the stuff up for sale all the time, and occasional flash discounts on random stuff so you also get the impulse purchases.

I mean temporary availability of some stuff make sense like halloween costumes, santa stuff and swimsuits (tho, we should note that Arborea has all kinds of weather every time of the day and year, making swimsuits and cold weather clothing make sense always...), but like, removing a random dress cause yes has no other excuse than fake scarcity.
Nopi wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
Nopi wrote: »
On a 43 inch 1920 1080 screen, these look bigger than what I'd think a life size elin would be.
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
anyone who likes elins this much needs to be reported to the authorities, something wrong with you.

I'd advice those about to answer to this to forget him and move on. It's sound advice that would deflate the issue before it starts. But I don't care anymore. Anyway, regardless of my stance, you all will anyway fire at will.

kek no, way too lowball attempt, not worth biting the bait on purpose.

Now you made me want to try this on the room's 40" TV...

EDIT: Another thing I wonder, is how tiny Castanics actually are: when you think of it, Elins are shorter indeed, but very little shorter. And heck they're supposed to be loli anyway, and look the part nearby humans (even then they don't have a gigantic difference tho), but Castanics being not so taller, but way less THICC would make them for sure weigh less than Elins...

Castanics are, in comparison to everyone else, mini people. They have less cartoony proportions (they still have fantasy body proportions so I can't say "correct human proportions" either), but their overall size is far past petite. They are miniature. Use a height modifier and they can be shorter than the standard elin. Their hands are also rather big as well.

It feels like all girls (maybe save for Elin, if even) use the same hands, which would be good on humans, tiny but good on elves and...weird on Castanics.
I would estimate a Castanic female's height at around 1.50 or so (meters... can't bother to convert to burger units sorry 'murrica), Elins at somewhere around 1.45 and humans maybe 1.75 or so, elves close to 2m but not that much maybe, or...meh my estimates are likely very far since it's just memory and guesswork
Nopi wrote: »
On a 43 inch 1920 1080 screen, these look bigger than what I'd think a life size elin would be.
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
anyone who likes elins this much needs to be reported to the authorities, something wrong with you.

I'd advice those about to answer to this to forget him and move on. It's sound advice that would deflate the issue before it starts. But I don't care anymore. Anyway, regardless of my stance, you all will anyway fire at will.

kek no, way too lowball attempt, not worth biting the bait on purpose.

Now you made me want to try this on the room's 40" TV...

EDIT: Another thing I wonder, is how tiny Castanics actually are: when you think of it, Elins are shorter indeed, but very little shorter. And heck they're supposed to be loli anyway, and look the part nearby humans (even then they don't have a gigantic difference tho), but Castanics being not so taller, but way less THICC would make them for sure weigh less than Elins...
Castanic horns being separate from hair, choice on size, Elin ears and tail separate from hair, color changeable ton those...
Meanwhile on popori you can make a cat with bunny tail.
Cause.
Yes.
KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
I think you do that when you create your character.

There's choice for ear size (and quite a ton of customization for ears: angle, size, push to back/front no?), but not for horns as far as I know, they're tied to the hairstyle. Unless they did something good that I don't know of, or my Elin craze has made me not care enough Even tho I love my adorable Castanic Erina... And her clones
@Crvnch
UPDATE:
Kit Tea posted just a day after on the News & Announcement section a topic about the leveling event, and, lo and behold, a full HD version of that picture:
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/29763/levelup-with-buddyup-fiery-featherweights-edition#latest
(Right click and "See image")

Which means....
Waifu2x to the rescue gives you a precisely 4K (nitpicking: home user 4K so 4x Full HD, actual DCI standard 4K is 4096x2160) with just 2x scale, so more detail and less blur!

There you go with the 2x version then, it does have an oversall lower resolution (given the other version went up to 4096 width) but more real detail so there's that huge advantage:
6oEXlh0.jpg
(Same as before, right click, "see image")

*trying to post this [filtered] image since morning but thanks to my internet connection it was an exercise in futility. Now, here it is!
CornishRex wrote: »
Nopi wrote: »
I suppose that little dress will replace the "battle togs" human brawlers use? I would have preferred even the slightest attempt at armor, but w/e...

That dress is a costume we got a few months ago though? Not sure if they'll make new armor for elin brawlers but already existing plate armor for elins is :ok_hand:

To be fair since I love the normal Elin plate armors, and will use tons of costumes anyway, I'm all fine with this if not happy.
Honestly, I would have preferred humans to use the normal plate ones as well even, but that's what we have now.
It obviously has it's blur as... it's upscale it can't invent the detail that was before downscaling, what is lost is lost and only recovered with the original, but best I know for the task.
Also some artists don't draw on full vector but rather on raster, aka pixels, so not mathematically infinite resolution, the original itself may not be 4K but we can always hope and do our little tricks to get by meanwhile.
In case they keep radio-silent (I don't wanna be negative but eh... quite usual + it's likely sort of copyright protected to an extent as commercial use art), I've done a Waifu2x scale on it (4x tho, to get you 4096x2296), which is about the best upscaler ever for drawn art, specially given it's algorithm is tailored for anime art (which these fit enough).

Also agreed they're cute as hell. Here go the images, hope no extra compression applied on upload, to view full resolution, right click and "see image" or whoever it's written there:
4sTPpp6.jpg
q9l4eqw.jpg

So whenever you need to upscale drawn art, Waifu2x is the definitive answer, at least as far as I know. Most pro photo editors use likely Lanczos which is epic for downscaling of pretty much anything other than test patterns (which nothing is good at), but upscaling it isn't as good at that specific task at hand.
TridentRPG wrote: »
@KitTeaCup would the character limit be increased for the elin brawler patch?

Why in the flying f--k would you need more character space? They just gave EVERYONE five slots LOL! On top of the 3 you get just from starting the game..? If you need more characters than that, you have waaaaay too much time on your hands and need to get some semblance of a life, hahaha.

Ignoring the blatantly stupid attempt at a "get a life lol" comment, you didn't even understand the question at hand: every new class release/unlock they've increased the maximum character slots on each server by 1, and specially now after a 3 to 1 and 2 to 1 merges happening just a while ago relatively speaking, a sizeable chunk of players will have a ton of characters filling their servers, possibly on the brink of overflow (maximum 20).

In short: now is the most appropriate time to increase maximum slots that is, not counting during merge dang it, so people can at least create an Elin Brawler without deleting others.


To end it, it's definitely none of your concerns how each one plays and how many characters they want to create nor why they want to create them, life waste per life waste anyway, your comment was that as well so, whatever.
SageWindu wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
Agreed. They're pandering way too much to the elin fan-crowd, and it totally leaves players who play or like other races out. An 'elin garment bag,' really, would it be too difficult for them to do something like that for all the other races too? It'd make them more money along with elin-players, as I don't main elin but I'd shell out money for more high-elf and castanic cosmetics. I get it, elin is really popular, but its not a smart business-decision to alienate other customer demographics, especially considering the state of their game. Its like at this point they've just given up and are lazy.

As noted above, they do it...
It's whoever quite obvious, that the most appropriate to release on the 13th will be the Elin one cause... I wonder why...
The thing is that they could have some leveling events through that cover all races with those garment bags, they did sell them at some occasions to all kinds of races (maybe all races?), they could do it at a random non-specific event.

How about a permanent Garment Bag for all characters regardless of race or gender? Remember the weapon grab bag from a while back? Sounds like a plan, methinks.

For balance, include every outfit ever released and make the price somewhere between 300 and 500 EMP. Do that and I'll buy 2.

I'm in.
That's gotta be the only RNG I'm OK with and think is fair. After all you do get something decent regardless of what you get (...tastes aside).
...I may be sorta biased tho given my experience but well, if this was as much RNG purchase as there was, our store would be orders of magnitude better dare I say.
Catservant wrote: »
Just a head's up it is more like 1:100 now, not 1:40.

This means that for each EMP you should get 100 gold not 40. If you buy and trade a item worth 430 emp you might be able to get your 43000 gold. but agin it has to be an item someone else wants.

Holly cow it went insane...
Dang the times I came to the game and it was 1:10... My 1st EMP costume was the Val Kaeli set if I recall, got from lots of Kumasylum grind and Gods Tears farming gave me an Icaruna uniform (I think it was that...)
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
Guys, you 3 that are saying about Dressing Room, while it still IS relevant and helpful, you forgot the 1st part of OP's post:
OP found the costume for sale in Trade Broker and wants to use EMP to get gold. I mean nothing wrong on your posts, there was indeed questions about the Dressing Room and thus relevant but I think the most important part now shifted:
You have to advertise in global to see if a player wants to exchange in game gold for items you can purchase from the game store. Find out your servers emp ration and go from there

Maleficent hit it spot on.

WhiteQueenX : What you have to do is exactly as Maleficent is saying: you advertise in Global or Trade "WTS EMP", AKA "Want To Sell EMP" (in case not familiar, not necessarily obvious for 1st timers), then you set a ratio for sale. When I was playing and purchased EMP from players, the ratio was about 1:40, which means 1 EMP = 40 gold (always on that order). 20 dollars of it would then give you 80K gold (if the prices are still 10 dollars for 1K EMP), so more than you need, whoever you cannot sell the exact 2K EMP sum so a tad less.

In case (which I bet) it's necessary, a sorta short "How you sell EMP":
1: the player that wants to buy your EMP will PM you, and tell you what it he/she wants from the EMP store, (Tip: be clear on the max sum you have so no time wasted asking to buy something that costs like 5K EMP),
2: then, you purchase that item from the store. It goes into your item claim, from there you claim it, (Beware of some boxes, you cannot open all of them, otherwise it may generate wrong versions, like someone buys an outfit for Castanic but comes in a box, if you open on Elin, it creates an Elin version).
3: After you claim it, you can either trade it with the player (If not familiar, the trade system allows no scam, it can only lock and do the trade once you BOTH hit to agree (lock trade), until then nothing happens. Don't go fast fingers), or if it's some untradeable box, you may need to open it with the appropriate race, as noted above.
4: you got your gold. Out to the Trade Broker.

Except I had also mentioned in my post to them that one of their options is also EMP exchange, so I don't know why you're making it sound like I didn't give them relevant information, or that one person was the only person who mentioned it. Maybe you should pay more attention to what people say in their posts before commenting about it.

If they asked for more details about the EMP exchange I'm sure all of us would have offered the same detailed information that you did.

.....calm down I only said you guys were more focused on the Dressing Room part, I did read your post. Just it was so focused on the Dressing Room part (You see, what I actually noted there) and so little on the current issue at hand that will actually solve OP's issue that it did fit.
Jeez why is it so hard to comment these days without stepping on eggs...
Guys, you 3 that are saying about Dressing Room, while it still IS relevant and helpful, you forgot the 1st part of OP's post:
OP found the costume for sale in Trade Broker and wants to use EMP to get gold.


The
You have to advertise in global to see if a player wants to exchange in game gold for items you can purchase from the game store. Find out your servers emp ration and go from there

And Maleficent hit it spot on.

@WhiteQueenX : What you have to do is exactly as Maleficent is saying: you advertise in Global or Trade "WTS EMP", AKA "Want To Sell EMP" (in case not familiar, not necessarily obvious for 1st timers), then you set a ratio for sale. When I was playing and purchased EMP from players, the ratio was about 1:40, which means 1 EMP = 40 gold (always on that order). 20 dollars of it would then give you 80K gold (if the prices are still 10 dollars for 1K EMP), so more than you need, whoever you cannot sell the exact 2K EMP sum so a tad less.

In case (which I bet) it's necessary, a sorta short "How you sell EMP":
1: the player that wants to buy your EMP will PM you, and tell you what it he/she wants from the EMP store, (Tip: be clear on the max sum you have so no time wasted asking to buy something that costs like 5K EMP),
2: then, you purchase that item from the store. It goes into your item claim, from there you claim it, (Beware of some boxes, you cannot open all of them, otherwise it may generate wrong versions, like someone buys an outfit for Castanic but comes in a box, if you open on Elin, it creates an Elin version).
3: After you claim it, you can either trade it with the player (If not familiar, the trade system allows no scam, it can only lock and do the trade once you BOTH hit to agree (lock trade), until then nothing happens. Don't go fast fingers), or if it's some untradeable box, you may need to open it with the appropriate race, as noted above.
4: you got your gold. Out to the Trade Broker.
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
Agreed. They're pandering way too much to the elin fan-crowd, and it totally leaves players who play or like other races out. An 'elin garment bag,' really, would it be too difficult for them to do something like that for all the other races too? It'd make them more money along with elin-players, as I don't main elin but I'd shell out money for more high-elf and castanic cosmetics. I get it, elin is really popular, but its not a smart business-decision to alienate other customer demographics, especially considering the state of their game. Its like at this point they've just given up and are lazy.

As noted above, they do it...
It's whoever quite obvious, that the most appropriate to release on the 13th will be the Elin one cause... I wonder why...
The thing is that they could have some leveling events through that cover all races with those garment bags, they did sell them at some occasions to all kinds of races (maybe all races?), they could do it at a random non-specific event.
Nopi wrote: »
I wouldn't mind that box with a random elin outfit that was released once long ago... Maybe one box with all regular outfits and a deluxe box with the dyeable stuff. This is the lesser hurting kind of RNG since you would always be getting an outfit. I wouldn't mind they do this for every race regularly as well. Yes, indeed, we need to fix a bunch of things in the game as well. Shouldn't ever forget that. But the sales department should also brighten up the shop since that's their life blood.

I remember when Ninja launched they released those Elin Garment Bags and I bought one from an EMP seller just o try out, got a Dyeable Kitty Cat outfit from it. Literally 10x my investment on the 1st single box/bag I tried.

RNG gods really loved my Panties.Stealer little ninja I guess
LancerJiva wrote: »
Classic fixing things that aren’t broken.

Oooh it is... But granted, it's mostly player based and BG queue related, not the BG itself. There should have been a fix to the queue system itself instead, but BHS...
Vulcarion wrote: »
In the latest k tera patch notes, FWC is removed. It is replaced with what people call "Shoreline Capture" a battleground that seems to be quite similar to FWC in terms of objectives and format. I would consider giving the new BG a chance (or at least learning a detail or two regarding its existance) before flying off the handle too far...

https://seraphinush-gaming.tumblr.com/post/179645161933/ktera-patch-20181101

Kumas Royale back to Lv 20-65? Heck yeah I'm in. Finally that stupidity of separating them cause MUH LEVEL ends, I guess there just has to be logic at their minds every millennia or so.

The new BG actually sounds.... just like FWC itself. Wonder what's so different about it, probably the map. I could give it a go if this sort of thing still interested/interests me when it hits.
....What? Where? I see nothing anywhere on our patch notes (which are even quite old by now), some K-TERA patch notes or what?
Meningitis wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
But more hyped actually if there will be new hairstyles this time as well, hope so but haven't caught up to K-TERA's info to know for sure, Elin Gunner had one (which I love), Ninja had two, Reaper had at least one that I know of, I don't remember if Gunner originally (as in elves and Castanics) got new hair but human brawlers sure had the two new ones and valk got one (or two?) new ones too.
Sorry bud, no new hairs afaik. They even used the gunner panda hair in the trailers and other classic hairs in promo art.
I want a new fox hair that isnt an ugly bowl cut. :(

uuuu
I'll forever dream of the day of floppy dog ears Elins...
Really hyped here as well cause... well check my name.

But more hyped actually if there will be new hairstyles this time as well, hope so but haven't caught up to K-TERA's info to know for sure, Elin Gunner had one (which I love), Ninja had two, Reaper had at least one that I know of, I don't remember if Gunner originally (as in elves and Castanics) got new hair but human brawlers sure had the two new ones and valk got one (or two?) new ones too.

(also... this may be bitchin' I know but... please stop the italic thing...)
Why are so many people concerned with how other people spend THEIR OWN money?

Selling these lust crates made it possible for me to buy an Azure and Diamond Dragon mount.

The concern is because giving them a positive reaction to a P2W move encourages them to nerf out the game's rewarding system in favor of real money paid stuff. If they can get away with milking you, they will. If it sells, they can force it, and still get away with it with people buying it, why not do it?

Adding to it the RNG lootboxes as well: the more we pay for this sort of casino crap, the more incentive we give them to earn less without casino crap mechanics, for reasons stated above.

I for one don't want to have to resort to spending real life cash on anything non-cute. In my view, gearing and anything related to increasing stats in-game should always be obtained by "git gud" mode, not the swipe of a card. But if they can make money forcing you to pay for it, they will. They'll only NOT charge you for gear and such if they cannot, if the population declines too much or it simply doesn't sell. It's all a matter of how the community reacts to it, so sadly how one spends his money on this game, IS of our concern even tho in an ideal situation it shouldn't matter.
metagame wrote: »
P2W wrote: »
If that's the case, then the battlegrounds should be tiered. One battleground for people with HO and SC and a equalized version. Those that have geared up for PVP can queue that unequalized one and the rest without gears can queue the equalized one.
a bg with equalized gear would be easier to stomp players on as a sync, meaning players would still only queue for that. not going to solve anything.

forcing players with higher ilvls into the "uneq" version would only isolate the already small community even further, but they could very easily pick up a set of guardian and trick the system.

At the very least, that would then become a skill/teamwork steamroll. And this, frankly, is fair and deserved.
Overpowered gear is stupid and shows nothing of your actual abilities since swiping a card proves nothing, mindless farming proves nothing either, being actually better in the game mode itself does. I used to win CS a heck lot through guiding my 19 randoms well, that is a matter of actual "git gud" indeed, but if my 19 randoms + me were all ridiculously less geared then that definitely isn't anymore a matter of abilities, one has a serious handicap compared to the other, you can't call that fair.

If I recall FWC had two modes a few years back, one EQ and one non-EQ, but the EQ one never popped.
It's one of those ideas that are epic great on paper and would solve problems nicely and all... but just ain't working in practice. Sadly that's how it was in reality.
ElinLove wrote: »
> @lastofthemeheecan said:
> I disagree, this game hast had new players since idk steam release.
> What I read " lets [filtered] all the p2w or high grinders who took the time to actually learn dungeons and run content so the gear they worked for months and spent real $ on it don't have the right advantage for being BiS"

Sounds elitist to me. So you just want to be able to steamroll new players? Cause that’s what it sounds like. Everyone should have the opportunity to win regardless of gear because at the end of the day pvp is one of the many ways to help progress your gear. Players aren’t even gonna try if they know they don’t even have a chance at a win. This just seems like a selfish and childish attitude. Not to mention I see new players daily. ( can’t say if they stick around or not cause Tera, but they’re here).

get gear kid

Congrats on proving his/her point in such a quick, short way.

that's the point of this game, get gear get gear get gear, that's the whole [filtered] point of this [filtered] game.

Oh jee, all those years I thought it was to have fun...
> @lastofthemeheecan said:
> I disagree, this game hast had new players since idk steam release.
> What I read " lets [filtered] all the p2w or high grinders who took the time to actually learn dungeons and run content so the gear they worked for months and spent real $ on it don't have the right advantage for being BiS"

Sounds elitist to me. So you just want to be able to steamroll new players? Cause that’s what it sounds like. Everyone should have the opportunity to win regardless of gear because at the end of the day pvp is one of the many ways to help progress your gear. Players aren’t even gonna try if they know they don’t even have a chance at a win. This just seems like a selfish and childish attitude. Not to mention I see new players daily. ( can’t say if they stick around or not cause Tera, but they’re here).

get gear kid

Congrats on proving his/her point in such a quick, short way.
Dare I start a conspiracy (note, again, that this is just conspiracy and wild thinking, no proof at all):

I would say that if they DO acknowledge you as being a good player (usually when you play against them, since they kick on sight when not their premade), that's exactly when they will start kicking on sight: so you don't snipe ranks on their side, so you don't get the goodies they want all for themselves.

You're a bigger threat inside a sync by being good than being bad because you can actually be better than the ones in there. And they don't want that.

~end of conspiracy~
uuki wrote: »
> ElinLove said:
> uuki wrote: »
>
> I never said it was justified, but if what you’re saying is true then I can only think of two things
> Every sync has a specific problem with you
> U just unlucky as hell
>
> Either way the only fix to that problem is to keep queueing till you’re good enough for people to recognize u and not kick u
>
>
>
>
> I don't think there's such a thing when it comes to sync queues.

??? You don’t think there’s such a what

Such a thing as " till you’re good enough for people to recognize u and not kick u". They don't recognize you, they don't acknowledge your existence other than feed material on enemy side, or kick material on their side. They don't want someone good with them, they want their own guildies getting the points ONLY, and not anyone else together.
They're not playing together with anyone other than their guild, they behave like the servers are their particular toy and all the rest are their toys as well, or get out and don't bother my fun.

We're dealing with scum here not proper players and acknowledging one's feats.


As a personal experience I can easily say as well that back when I did play FWC, I didn't get kicked for being EQ or barely non-EQ (at that time it was Slaughter gear I think), probably since I did contribute decently, even when I was at the bottom of the rank (I do suck somewhat but bottom of the bottom was rare too, once I even got 1st yay!), I didn't get kicked because I was doing stuff properly, like going to the call points and such, using PVP crystals and capping pyres when called to, BUT, those were indeed different times and I did see more random "kick EQ" than I wanted to even during those days, which got progressively worse on my experience. I did decline all the time and guess what? The oh-so-pros gave up always when they didn't get their way.
That last thing is a good note: they just throw tantrums until they get it their way, and now these scum ones found a way to force their way.

The problem with this thread is that part of the people on the here think we're dealing with good players that do have a reason to kick, part has a hunch that it's the scum ones we're dealing with, and we can't reach an agreement on that.
Pwhoops wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
Pwhoops wrote: »
My point is that I’m a warrior in EQ gear, if you know anything about PvP you’d know that warrior is pretty bad at group PvP and I have yet to get kicked.

Sounds like a time frame issue. One plays FWC on the sync hours, you play on the chill guys hours. It's the same as when I said that AV's population was basically the same as all other servers, because at those specific random times I was in, it really was. The random people spread through the world playing on random time zones in NA's servers, were pretty decently averaged around at least AV and TR, sometimes random logged into MT and all the same too.

At least that would be my bet, you two play in different time zones and then meet different types of players.

That has nothing to do with EQ gear though, it's just bad luck that OP is queuing at a time when people are trying to sync.

I will agree to that, they use EQ as an excuse when it's just their stupid "my way or no way" mode instead. This does shift somewhat the point, in that those syncs should be dealt with, as they're frankly just cancerous and the ACTUAL thing killing PVP way more than imbalance or ping issues.
After all you can play badly with bad balance and ping issues, but you just can't play at all with a sync targeting you and kicking on sight.
Pwhoops wrote: »
My point is that I’m a warrior in EQ gear, if you know anything about PvP you’d know that warrior is pretty bad at group PvP and I have yet to get kicked.

Sounds like a time frame issue. One plays FWC on the sync hours, you play on the chill guys hours. It's the same as when I said that AV's population was basically the same as all other servers, because at those specific random times I was in, it really was. The random people spread through the world playing on random time zones in NA's servers, were pretty decently averaged around at least AV and TR, sometimes random logged into MT and all the same too.

At least that would be my bet, you two play in different time zones and then meet different types of players.
uuki wrote: »
I never said it was justified, but if what you’re saying is true then I can only think of two things
Every sync has a specific problem with you
U just unlucky as hell

Either way the only fix to that problem is to keep queueing till you’re good enough for people to recognize u and not kick u

I don't think there's such a thing when it comes to sync queues.
AmakusaKun wrote: »
they should just remove everyone gears and give 450 to each player, what's so crazy about that?

Well it was full EQ only at a point and then people whined about "muh PVP gear useless this is killing PVP" so they changed. Frankly I think it should ALWAYS be only up to a player's skill only. Of course, this does bring balancing classes as a challenge as well (not like non-EQ does anything to solve that tho).

Heck I remember (and sort of even agree) about fixed EQ crystals, or the simple way: no crystal slot EQ gear. But well that's the current choice they went with, can't say I'm OK with or against as I don't run FWC anymore but a decent EQ gear sounds like a good enough middle ground to allow "Muh PVP gear" and it not being a completely stupid one sided battle of who grinded more.
> AmakusaKun said:
> they should just remove everyone gears and give 450 to each player, what's so crazy about that?


Umad bro? You sound like one of those elitist HO jerks that leaves a PUG if the damage is not to your liking...

[...]

wait wait wait... am I really terrible at reading or what the heck is happening, did you really mean to call someone elitist someone who went with "Just EQ everything lol" type of comment??

Like, I've never ever seen any elitists that wants EQ on anything, that would be new to me.
[...]
Furthermore, so long as you do not run TERA as administrator (which you do not need to do in this region), it will not install a system driver or have any form of administrator access to your machine. When you close the game and the program stops, that's it.[...]

For the sake of completeness, that wasn't always the case.
In my situation on Windows 10 older versions, the game would refuse to update itself, or sometimes even start more than the launcher, without administrator privileges. I do recall seeing this as a solution back then as well, not just my own trial and error.
Yes, it can OBVIOUSLY be some specific circumstances (I mean, I was a beta tester of Windows 10 and ran TERA on it), or "your case is unique", but, it doesn't change the fact that some installs out there are running in admin mode by need, be it previous or current.
Also, we can't ignore some few cases of people here that updated it really early on and got the system driver version of XIGNCODE3 installed. Thankfully they changed this and I don't have it, but can't ignore those cases.

It's still valid tho, that we cannot EVER just demonize a single software and hail the rest that have just as much dark history (say, the OS itself we're using), it's just not rational but instead a feel and blind trust situation.

Well, the game is barely thought as an international release.
They can barely make the NA version work in the US alone. Heck, BHS can barely make it work in Korea. It's already a good thing it isn't IP blocked outside Chicago.
It really amuses me how the queue system is so dumb that it fills one team 1st and THEN the other.
It would take no more than freaking interleave the queuing players, and solved. No more sync.

I can agree with a friend wanting to play with another one, but full teams that farm that or possibly even feeder teams ready, is just stupid.

Wonder how long it will take for people to come here and be like "What is impeding you from sync queue as well to win???", "Just git gud and win against all the premades with your bunch of randoms or the feeder team as your ally", "It's not our fault that you're too bad to carry 19 other sync feeders from our feeding guild" and so on...
Nopi wrote: »
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
I am going to come with more questions so please answer if you know:

Is Xingcode3 a keylogger or better said does it scan/save data from the computer or the browser history and/or usernames/passwords used on various websites? I am asking because i have Tera installed on one of the computers from my workplace which is actually a family business and sometimes i am playing when nothing really happens but the issue is that the computer is being used by several members from our family and for example i am now worried that my sister will get really angry if she will find out that there is actually a spyware(?) program installed and all her activity might be compromised including places visited and usernames/passwords ( not only that she is a laywer and she works with private clients but she also likes to buy a lot of stuff from amazon as example ).

So far, after reading so much stuff.. i have learned that Xingcode3 only scans files while the game is active and is only looking for certain things so personal data is out of the question.. But i can never trust a program which my antivirus considers a threat and sadly i have to give it a white flag to let it work meaning that Xingcode3 can do pretty much what it wants...

I will advise this. Do not run an online game on a computer used for work. Period. You risk either hardware failure, software failure, or hacks. Xigncode would be the least of your problems in such a scenario. If able, keep a computer set solely for work and nothing else. No Facebook, no Amazon. Just work. Have it clamped at max security and if you need to browse for something with it, stick with all safe browsing practices. But that's my advise based on witnessed experience.

That, plus auto-login into a standard user on top of all that. No administrator privileges. Install stuff on another account and let the main one be standard so that if it happens that you forget some good practices and anything tries to install you can see a prompt at least. One added layer there isn't an issue.
Answering in sequence:

1) They can but likely won't ban you, unless you do another account to ban-evade (say you were toxic on your other account and proceed to do the same on new one that isn't banned/restricted), or some sort of scam practice or the likes. As you seen on ToS tho, it really isn't allowed, mostly for the above mentioned.

2) You can still probably find some old stock of non-used keys online, as I've heard the TERA box came with.... just a code or a disc that has the downloader inside it so it's beyond disappointing in the sense you don't get even a reduced download on it, but ye you get the Founders code.
One thing: No, you cannot use another player's code. Once used, it's used and not reusable. It's use once per account, same will happen if you buy it and use yourself: if you make another account, no founders.

3) It really is 25K, and it really becomes quick enough to farm once you hit cap (Lv 65). It looks ludicrous to you now because you're not yet high level I assume, and you don't have experience with the materials market and drops you get up there.
Your other option, AKA what mEME will want you to do, is paying for those slots with real money through EMP. You just buy it from their own store and get the slots with the EMP credits you purchased. EMP comes in specific quantities only tho, you cannot spend precisely as much as a slot, you'll be left over with a bit.


Lastly: Even tho I don't really agree with the "necro" rule, even if the topic is relevant to add information or ask new stuff on it, topics about 2 months + old, shouldn't be "revived", this one is more than a year old by now so yeah it's necro.
Opening it with relevant stuff makes sense (and in my opinion should be the case frankly), but "by the norm" what you should do is opening another topic to ask it. Just... Well rules of the house.
Nopi wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
TheDarkWan wrote: »
Just checked out EU and they have an amazing dressing room.

You must have a lot of fun playing "dress up"

Playing "dress up" is also a feature of Tera.
Otherwise the company wouldn't make a profit selling costumes.
Main issue regarding the dressing room, is being unable to preview costumes you'd like to purchase.
Which could discourage a potential buyer.
Reason some of us are unable to understand why it's taking so long to fix the dressing room.

I suppose the dressing room is something EME can't fix. Like the build for the game itself, I assume it comes direct from BHS with a "do not tamper" sticker. This would be the reason why we haven't seen a fix yet. I mean, EME is most likely well aware of the DR issue. And I'm sure that if they could put the fix on patch day, they would have done it long ago.

I vaguely recall them saying that it is something they can (and have to) update themselves.
It's just a sad cause of them not even wanting to make money properly without screwing us over. Don't ask me why but they do it this way but they do.
Zalachiel wrote: »
Gunner changes I see
Bombardement: removed willpower cost
Rolling reload: no more possible reset. Can now be cast twice within 4 sec
Scattershot: after casting scattershot, the following spell will have its casting speed increased
Burst fire: decreased damage, but increased casting speed to reach the full crit bonus faster

This burst fire change sounds like instead of decreasing ping issues, they just went full power the other way around

yes. I know it's K-TERA's demands and we get the finger but yes, it still did this effect to us. Unless they managed to miraculously optimize something, like make it so that you press, and it just returns the command "still pressing" or "released" to the server and you get 0 ping cast...

I bet 1 copper they didn't tho
Place your bets when will this get closed!!
My bet: today in ~3h
Reminder that whoever paid for some in-game crap, got it before others could get it for free, so they had it longer, and also, that the ones that paid for it, still can get more of it anyway, for free this time.
I have a strong feeling that being against Kyra has a lot to do with feeling special about spending real life money on stuff or about having them and others not... I cannot really understand how one could take an in-game costume as some sort of luxury item and status symbol.

I do recall seeing a handful of such comments when costumes that used to be on the store went to be obtainable in events and the same whine happens.
Quite egoistic feeling in my view but whatever, to each their own.
A bit late but I suppose a fitting farewell to a great event? I think Kyra was removed quite some time ago already, since they removed all kyra catalysts from everyone's account.

That's what they do tho to not let people hoard them to the next one, it wouldn't be far fetched to assume they would not screw up and just do it to avoid bugs and hoarding. Like, some other Kyra's events had serious issues with tradeable catalysts that shouldn't be traded circulating around.
Kyra shall not be forgotten.
At least I can have her cute picture as an avatar in memory
AmakusaKun wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
Gatokatzen wrote: »
Graphics. The game engine doesn’t support higher resolutions maybe.

Default screenshot Ini file are set maximum to 1920x1080.
You can change the file to increase the resolution. Buy may will be even worse,
. Game even won’t start.

This sounds quite interesting, specially given the aforementioned increase in monitor resolution from Full HD to 1440p, which given what you say, make sense to crash the game.

I may add that ~2 years ago I played TERA quite a bit on our living room's TV at Full HD and no issues whatsoever. But yes, that was friggin' 2 years ago.

By the way your specs: it can be your specs indeed. And because of the opposite reason you may think: TERA sucks sphincters with new hardware. My ~5 years old hardware never really crashes the game, but yes, I've heard here on these forums a lot of reports of new hardware crashing the game nonstop or having memory leaks (which in your case seem to not be it).

Just to add info to your reports: when did the constant crashing start?

One thing I may propose as a test: run the game in 1080p windowed, and let's see if it crashes a lot or less.

i always forget to try to run it in lower resolution, 1080p is as low as i can do cause lowering more than that is hell in earth, my monitor is 27" xd
maybe it is because my stuff is newer idk, the crashes start always as i approach level 60, before that is very difficult to crash, its so weird

It sounds like it starts when more stuff is on screen then, cause up until that point all the content is quite a lot calmer, now at the Sky Cruiser you have a literal horde of mobs on an airship's upper deck so it has a lot to draw.

It would also make sense to crash at some dungeons (even leveling ones) and when playing them with some specific teammates like Ninjas and such, has this happened also?
Kolbein wrote: »
kumasylum was such a fun bg,,,,sadly hard to win cus ppl need true cooperation to do it ....and prob BHS will screw up again with the balance

Kumasylum and old CS (dunno new) were heavily strategical BGs. I remember knowing all patterns in a 1st glance at the box positioning on the start of the zone already, and having various tactics to keep kumases occupied with one candy while another one sneaks it from the other side, or keeping one Kumas at you as a guard while the rest of the team runs one.
Teams that listened were always a win on my side. But you only needed one single troll to lose the BG almost instantly. Having people that just go with the flock definitely wasn't as much of an issue but the feederinos were
Gatokatzen wrote: »
Graphics. The game engine doesn’t support higher resolutions maybe.

Default screenshot Ini file are set maximum to 1920x1080.
You can change the file to increase the resolution. Buy may will be even worse,
. Game even won’t start.

This sounds quite interesting, specially given the aforementioned increase in monitor resolution from Full HD to 1440p, which given what you say, make sense to crash the game.

I may add that ~2 years ago I played TERA quite a bit on our living room's TV at Full HD and no issues whatsoever. But yes, that was friggin' 2 years ago.

By the way your specs: it can be your specs indeed. And because of the opposite reason you may think: TERA sucks sphincters with new hardware. My ~5 years old hardware never really crashes the game, but yes, I've heard here on these forums a lot of reports of new hardware crashing the game nonstop or having memory leaks (which in your case seem to not be it).

Just to add info to your reports: when did the constant crashing start?

One thing I may propose as a test: run the game in 1080p windowed, and let's see if it crashes a lot or less.
3Hero wrote: »
I thought Kuma's was dead content by now.

It sure becomes when you separate people like that on a dungeon that has 0 difference on level...
Also not like making it dead is any good either, I'm all in for them bringing back Kumas Royale to Lv 20-65, and even Kumasylum.
Naru2008 wrote: »
vkobe wrote: »
Bring Back level 20-65 Kumasylum :3

I believe they are planning on returning Kumasylum eventually. Before last patch, I saw it in the Legacy Achievements list under 'Special', and now it's back in rotation. Makes one wonder..

This seriously gets me hyped... I mean that's when I played TERA the most, and what I did the most on the game after all...
Kuuchan the epic candy carrier shall return!
Ginjitsu wrote: »
En Masse cashing-in while they can with LOOT BOXES; I wonder what will happen to games that heavily rely on whales to keep games alive.

Could we please bring back subscription MMOs? No...? >_> (I do actually know that P2P isn't sustainable for most games anymore, and F2P brings a lot of players who couldn't otherwise afford to play. I'm only being half-serious.)

Inevitably F2P seem to have no way except to get closer and closer to P2W as time goes on. TERA is still relatively balanced, but it keeps creeping forward one step at a time. In other regions they're many steps ahead.

It'd be nice to believe in the "cosmetics-only" dream, but I really feel like they ran out of creativity there, and in the end most people only needs so many costumes/mounts/etc. (Particularly now that they started with the stats on mounts, it renders the other ones basically useless...)

I definitely believe part of it is the "happy customers are happy spenders" problem (and a lot aren't happy), and I know there are other games that have found another way that works for them, but who knows. I hope the industry finds a way out of this current trap before it keeps getting worse.


Oh believe me, there's no such thing as too much costumes on our cute Elins...
There IS such a thing as too little purchase options tho, and "Seen/have it..." moments too. Well, they're barely releasing any new cute outfits so there's that for destroying the whale ecosystem, and I don't really believe the current system is as good as it should be financially.
Thuking wrote: »
lol at these whiteknights im out

"I have no counter arguments so I'll call you the meme word of the group and farm epeen points from the Kool Kids"
Hirumie wrote: »
This post made me join to the Forums. This point of view is from someone that played alot of mmos before. Last one, FFXIV.
It's just a point of my view, okay? I don't wanna start a fight or anything like that. :'c

How can be a game like Tera... With such scenarios in their maps... is so, but so wasted? It's more than a shame that many maps got forgetten, as a new player experience why I can go there? Just to see how wasted the art of this game is? It's really dissapointed.
The easy-fast leveling kill this game, even with those maps without optimization, you could at least felt like you was living an adventure there. But now? It's just like a instanced zone level of 10-15 minutes, where you kill everything with just a few skills.

I think a "classic tera" idea it would bring more people to this game, than the actual sh*t that we can play now. It would be nice if they handle it like Lineage 2 is doing, not just a static server forever.
L2 brings new content in classic time to time, Tera could do the same, could do the right thing but... It's a big game WASTED to reach max level, then what? Run the same dungeons over and over. Put money to dress up my Elin. Stay in Velika. And...Nah, I think that it's what you can expected from the real end game.

This game no need more dungeons, this game needs an actual rework of how the Tera world works. Serious craft system. Professions aside our classes. BAMS spawning randomly across the whole world, so people can party up and kill them for a Usefull end reward, or a nice amount of FC.
Rework of the dungeons. There is no difficult at all in them, made a "sync system" where levels and ilvl gear are sync in the party to get the real experience from every dungeon. So you can get into the dungeon being max lvl and have the same experience as you was in the past days.
Put more things as cosmetics in the cash shop, people will pay them, but CARE about your game too cause no one will play it.

I know Tera should be a BIG game cause action combat. But as I said before, it has a lot of art wasted, it could have a nice lore. Everything is a "instance" now, since you can teleport places without even reach them, so you use the mounts not even for discover places.

While BHS have Tera in their hands these things, sadly I must say, will never happend.

Basically what you're saying can be interpreted (and I agree with this view), that the game should literally be redone using only the concept of it's fight system and it's 3D assets. Keep the art modeling and such, keep the soundtrack (mix and match a bit too, the boss fight music being always the same gets stale, heck Timescape's last boss song was so kick [filtered] it got you hyped to start the fight), and redo something that just retains the fight concept and the races, if not adding some more too (and while at it, customization: Please make Elin ears and tail selection separate from hair selection).

It's gone through so many changes in focus and what exactly you do at this game, that it's getting hard to point out how to fix it. Some of the things that we hate now, match some of the stuff we like now and so on, it's gotten a big mess that is quite hard to fix.

If they ever managed to get money to do some TERA 2 of sorts (like that Project Exa or what was it called) that would be amazing... if they don't screw it up
ElinLove wrote: »
It's not about letting a party wipe, it's about all the others being amazingly stupid and eating damage all at once on an amazing rate, each of them to one of the corners of the map as far as possible from you, and then screaming "HEAL HEAL" when they just took that 50% hit and already were low to begin with, given the above mentioned. It ain't that easy to do 4 resses with aggro on you after all (ye I always res tank or worst case the best player I know that won't die easily... not always available).
You can never underestimate stupidity.

I don't know about other healers but I know for a fact I have some serious god complex. If I'm in the mood to hardcore carry I will and I can. As long as I don't die, it's not a wipe yet. My rule is that as long as you do more damage than I can do, then it's not a waste of my mana to resurrect you. Also a meter is important, to see who is worth my rez more.

By the way, pulling off a rez while having aggro isn't that difficult. But that is given that I am stupidly overgeared.

Nahev wrote: »
I have funny memories trying to keep alive full +12 Schisma people in that's corridor, apparently against its will...

I've had this amazing VSH run back in the days where literally everyone couldn't stop dying at Lakan. That was back when resurrection isn't nerfed to garbage like right now, I remember being so glad that I can sleep Lakan after ring, pop a brooch and rootbeer, rez literally the entire party back up.

Oh I try it, believe me when I say that making the trashiest runs an Extreme Mode is one of the most fun parts of this game for me. Sometimes tho, it's a tad on the mathematical impossibility on some dungeons to do it.
Like right before some specific mechanics and such, or when people die on all corners, you name it. TSNM was THE dungeon to screw up mechanics and make it pretty close to mathematical impossibility to carry, I did pull some amazing carries on that but some others just took it too far to manage, like people all dead on the spheres on 2nd boss yep, forum blocks plural of ball, you either keep running back and forth for minutes until the debuff thing goes out (yeah you sorta can ress and run then pull sometimes but there are guys that die like, on the corner of the map), or you let it wipe. Granted, it was crazier when you actually had to do the 3 rings properly (or was it always possible to do one only?). Heck even the 3 spheres room people managed to do crazy crap.

Also I'm usually just mid-tier gear anyway (if not a tad on the just non-crap enough to enter) so there's that, but sure it's crazy and fun when you manage to carry it....not all times tho
AxeI wrote: »
This reminds me of an experience that I had in RRNM the other day.

As we all know, RR has 2 routes you can take; skip the mobs straight to the 1st boss or take the route with the mobs. Everyone gets inside and we proceed to wait for our healer. Our healer takes the mob route, dropping and luring them. They get to the gate realizing that we were already in the boss room, they died and lost a crystal.


The healer says in party chat "I'm not doing this" and proceeds to drop the party and left.


I normally whisper them "Did you seriously drop cause of that?" and they reply with "You guys were too impatient and didn't wait for me & made me lose a crystal" which I followed with "There are two routes to the dungeon and you took the mob route, you could've unstuck and come back again, take the easy route and drop into the boss room"


And then they proceeded to say "Well sorry for being new, moron" and then blocked me.


I don't have time to deal with petty [filtered]. If you're unwilling to listen to advice in order to improve you can go [filtered] yourself and remain trash forever. I was going to give them 20 complete crystal binds and a crystal replacement but that person can stay in the trash can.

Oh I've seen this, sadly more than I want to. Seen more sides to the same problem than I wanted to.

Been on some DFNM (yes, the normal mode on that thing) and was all fine, a new tank popped in, called that he was new, fine I proceed as a healer to call out mechanics and tips on raid chat, to which he agreed and all were fine. Yes, all 6 others were fine. 1st boss, keeps on puddle, call it, doesn't leave. Calls out again, not name calling, no one mad yet, nothing happens. I pull the tank out of the puddles, call out to try to go to the corner, nothing special happens. People are dying cause puddles everywhere from the random places the tank placed the boss and stayed on puddle all the time with me focusing to, well, not let 2 bosses running amuck killing everyone, people are dying, I'm ressing all the time, on like the 10th tank death, take note: no one was complaining yet, the tank stopped taking ress, and then started throwing a tantrum on chat that "we weren't trying to help him and didn't have patience cause he was new".
Obviously after that the patience ended and hell broke lose, some people still trying to hold themselves alive to not waste the run, but didn't last much with like 95% poisonous floor area.
We took it THAT far and still got treated as if we were kicking him on sight.

On the other side, on the same dungeon (or maybe it was hard mode, dunno) I've come across another tank that wouldn't leave the start until we kicked the ones he though had too low gear, cause he said it would "take too long" to clear. Like, he wasted 5 minutes+ on the tantrum crap but yeah, others would make it take too long. We then kicked that tank, that re-entered in-progress just to go into the 1st boss room by himself and keep dying to waste our time and make it impossible to kick because of the idiotic in-combat thing. He would die and re-enter as fast as possible all the time to keep us locked out wasting time.


Now, back at the topic, I do think that people that are wiling to learn and have some basis at least, should be able to stay in a run that wasn't specifically stating anywhere that it was skilled required. Also, people have to be open enough about being new. If they start it with fear of being flamed, they're giving just fuel to the flames by being quiet about it. At least, if the group is not up to the patience of teaching/carrying then they'll be quick to point out and then it should be expected they're not stupid to the point of flaming someone who didn't even enter the group yet.
Entering through IM on a dungeon tho, should be pretty much obvious that you shouldn't have any expectations on the randoms you get there. LFGs make sense to have criteria, and you really shouldn't be complaining that they don't allow your standards on them. I've never even applied to speed runs and such, rarely even apply to the "skilled" runs of dungeons I could run with my eyes closed, it's all just a matter of respecting the situation you're in and knowing where do you fit.
That's honestly next level childish if you ask me.
Tell me about a tantrum.
Always dying since 2012
*salting meat*

Leveling really was quite fun back then, specially since you actually could do a lot, AND run BGs at Lv 30. Kumasylum and CS was where I learned most of all classes (available at that time...) frankly, it was a different, chill way to play it.
It was when leveling that I learned how to farm gold from Gods Tears (or how was it spelled), and since then the Dress Up Simulator got me good.

I mean the entire system is dumb to the point that I had to name change via support Elin.Complex because it triggered URL filtering.
It let me create the name, and then when I was inspected or such, it wouldn't work, nor could I link stuff on chat because of that
> Gatokatzen said:
> As a witness carry 431 twist 0 as healer or dps believe me the amount of wipes is amazing. People can’t beat first money of thaumetal , Kalivan nightmare, becomes a real nightmare on first boss or last boss.

I think it's literally just you.

I can tell you that right now I don't remember the last time I let a 431 wipe as a healer. There are absolutely no dps checks. Even at TRNM last boss where the mob turns purple, I always make sure I am topped off and position myself at a safe distance from boss attacks. And of course pop a ToL or Divine respite if that's available.

The only reason why you would wipe a 431 besides fking around yoloing is that your party is incompetent, while you, as the healer, is also not competent enough to carry them through it.

It's not about letting a party wipe, it's about all the others being amazingly stupid and eating damage all at once on an amazing rate, each of them to one of the corners of the map as far as possible from you, and then screaming "HEAL HEAL" when they just took that 50% hit and already were low to begin with, given the above mentioned. It ain't that easy to do 4 resses with aggro on you after all (ye I always res tank or worst case the best player I know that won't die easily... not always available).

You can never underestimate stupidity.
LordXenon wrote: »
Would anybody even view proxy in a bad light if all it did was SP, dps meter, and TCC?

Mixed opinion here if that was the case.

Tho I've already said it so many times and won't post the full thing again, just as a TL;DR cause I know people won't bother re-reading something they didn't read in the 1st place:

It would only be fair, if it would be for everyone without needing to risk yourself. Abiding by the rules should NEVER be a disadvantage to anyone, but doing so locks you out of the Skill Predictor and it's other bonuses. Add to that, that it also gives more advantage for who already has geographical advantage (negating entirely the "even playfield" ideology), and also it has enough disadvantages on the desync issues that actually negatively affect others who use it or not, that I cannot side with it.
Whoever I'm definitely not against the use of a DPS meter, or also posting results on a competitive leader board, I'm definitely 100% against it's use for harassment tho.
SageWindu wrote: »
You also can't use open spaces, despite there being a few NPCs in the game that have their names such.

This I'm pretty sure is related to how our names are dealt on the server, but NPCs are just rendered in-game regardless of our server anyway.

Still annoying of course. The extra dots are helpful when creating names with 3 or more parts, like I have a gunner named Daughter.Of.Elleon, or a brawler named Nerf.The.Brewlars none of those come close to Panties.Stealer tho
Gatokatzen wrote: »
ItzMirai wrote: »
^ that's all about people's competence not gear though? You can have a full party in HO and still wipe because you just yolo things. Take the puddles from the last boss from TRN as an example.

That’s my favorite one xd. Tau las boss , He wipe everybody and rage start,tank blame dps for being low. DPS blame tank for being slow. Then all of them blames healer for let them die xd.

Been there, felt that... Quite classic, but at least I was lucky to find some nice parties on my 1st runs to learn it up. Like I've said quite some time before, I always start it up with will to learn and telling it right away, plus at least enough understanding of my class and basic avoiding, and knowing my timings and delays.

The funniest of all blame game players was a tank in LKNM (Yes, Lilith's A$$ NORMAL mode) that I ran with on like my ~30th run or what was it that kept face tanking everything. And I do mean no blocks whatsoever or blocking the unblockable. And then on 2nd boss "Takeda I don't think we'll be able to do the 3rd boss, your heals aren't strong enough"
Dang that was the laugh of the day. I just didn't type it out on chat and let that ego live to avoid any stupid tantrums, of course we cleared last boss as well (and after tank left someone was also laughing loud on party chat about that tank's big ego)
Nahev wrote: »
Gatokatzen wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
Gatokatzen wrote: »
I understand the gear progression but the damage is terrible, they say you that you can complete a 431 just with twist +0 and is fake a full 431 will be wiped no matter what.
That's not true at all???? 431s are hella easy even with a complete party in twist 0. It might take long because people aren't familiar with their classes but it certainly is not a wipe "no matter what".

As a witness carry 431 twist 0 as healer or dps believe me the amount of wipes is amazing. People can’t beat first money of thaumetal , Kalivan nightmare, becomes a real nightmare on first boss or last boss.

Liliths keep first boss have destroyed tons of 431 parties before start.

You need at least +5 twist full to dare a 431 as DPS gear damage is also zero before that. If any CM really play this game they will know how useless becomes guardian and twist-5 gears.

You can do it if the party knows the dungeon mechanics, almost any 431 boss can kill a full +9 stormcry if is a brainless facetank zombie.

And you reminded me of Akeron's Inferno: the fire corridor was the strongest boss of all times
Gatokatzen wrote: »
> SageWindu said:
> This can easily be fixed by making the 412s have a proper tutorial on how TERA's end-game works instead of just saying "Hey f****t, use a nostrum so we can go, please?!" (the game, not the players (cough)).
>
> Seriously, I know they're "Intro" dungeons, but they don't teach a g*****n thing

Xd welcome to Tera Since level 1 they dont teach you nothing.

Thats another point to remove 412. In 431 new players need to fight for their lives or follow mechs to survive.
While in 412 you can face mortal attacks and nothing kills you.then they reach high levels and die like candies.

Gap between gears and rewards made the steps from guardian to twishard a bored non sense forced steps for new players.

When real game starts at 431. A lot of people going to learn playing with old players.
Also help the community making queque times faster to enjoy the game and new players progress faster than waste half of their vanguards in zero rewarding kc sf rg and castle aranea

Well that really wasn't my experience through my ~3 years of actively playing this.

I mean I love crawling the lowball dungeons with the newest and most inexperienced players, healing them through and resurrecting them through their stupid misses was among the most fun things I could have, call me nanny all you want it was fun as heck. And I can guarantee you, that none of those I was healing through or DPSing along (rarely tanking), learn anything from seeing experienced players. They may have learned by themselves dying and getting always on the last pixels of HP bar.

There's nothing too obvious why the experienced ones are at the back, even when the back has some tail swipes like in KC/KDNM/KDHM, it's just more effective to do it at the side and not bother with the hard tail swipe at the back no? I mean I'm here doing my thing and the healer even gets less work to do with me by not getting hit!

Then, they get flamed.

And meanwhile it's 100% true that you just don't learn this on any ilvl regardless, I can't see anything really good about dropping into a dungeon where you just do death combos and count how much % of the dungeon time you've been laying on the floor. The game's difficulty is indeed (was at least...) an exponential curve. I'll spare the math details but the point on which it starts to get real hard compared to the start is likely around these starting/learning Lv 65 dungeons. And as said above, with the low gear you have, you actually do need to learn to dodge finally. You don't necessarily need to know mechanics on RG (maybe 3 mechanics...is that thing still there?), but you at least start dodging stuff.
I feel like it's a necessary middle step, and the issue with those dungeons right now is more likely the population being as unhealthy as it is, than the dungeons themselves. I can't say about rewarding on them as I haven't run those in a while, but from my past experience, I say they're a good place to start learning to dodge.
Superp117 wrote: »
You do not need the proxy to cheat. You can cheat without it. But thats besides the point, this stance of yours, i could be mis interpreting, is contradictory to the primary statement. Why even suggest petitioning to the thing youre opposing in the same paragraph?

I don't support proxy, and I don't think EME should either. I'm telling you that if you really want proxy to work on NA again, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Also, reading comprehension, man. I didn't say you need proxy to cheat, I said you CAN use proxy to cheat (and it makes it a LOT easier..)

As far as legal action goes, DMCA is pretty much a joke, they just throw those out like candy for absolutely anything these days. If proxy devs really cared about NA community like everyone is claiming, they'd still support it until some form of actual legal complaint gets filed, rather than doing everything in their meager power to stop people from using proxy on NA.

You're taking a really shallow view on the matter. Since proxy came out people have been permanently banned for very little. Meishu was permanently banned after having played since VM1/CBT days. Bern was banned, Pinkie was banned. And they still developed the tools. More people getting banned over time, on top of EME completely ignoring any and every attempt of their approach to try and improve the game, reporting bugs, reporting exploits, reporting the solutions to those and still they were being completely ignored. Asking for any sort of communication and being completely ignored and targeted with bans, dmca's, several attempts at obfuscating the opcodes and making it as hard as possible to keep 3rd party softwares running.

All of that over a period of over a year culminated in this situation, what they did was just the last straw. What is done is done. To any poor soul attempting to keep it running on NA they can expect even more vicious waves of Bans and other actions against them and their users.

One of the big issues here, is that people feel like TERA is some sort of open source community project. Sorry but that's not really the case. Not in the slightest. Having a community playing it doesn't mean at all, that the community develops the product as well. It's a closed source, particular company product, produced overseas on top of that, and distributed (in our case) by their sister/child company, also private one with closed source codes.

The devs playing the game since beta doesn't mean they get the authority to develop it, regardless of both their competence or the original dev's lack thereof. The "Played since X" is a feels matter, shouldn't even be brought up, and doesn't change the fact that you cannot tamper with the net code of the game. The bans were valid even if the intentions were good. I could give away my account to some new player to have a fun start in TERA with tons of costumes and cute characters and the ban would be as valid. There's no such thing as Robin Hood in real life, that breaks rules for the good of others, and much less can one complain about the rules applying to him/herself when they're broken, just because of intentions.

As @KillerPenguins is saying through many comments that thankfully ain't getting flamed for who knows what kind of sense-bomb people got hit by, there isn't much to question the company's stance on removing a tool that messes up packets from their product to their servers. What's up to question is their methods and time taken for this. Even I as a company owner wouldn't let something like this roam around.
Whoever my stance regarding how it was dealt with would be a heck lot different of course, I would never have just out of the blue taken it down without a word, and if it really is true that the devs have been contacting En Masse to give this out as a solution, then I would have taken this to a higher priority as a potential solution.

And still would not just pick his/her code as-is and implement as a thankful gift. No way in hell I would be doing something this stupid. You can't just blindly trust that an external developer fixed your product and take it as-is. Specially, since the developer itself knows it's big issues, exploitability, and the desync problem. Also as @TheCatalyst said, "And u dont get to decide what benefits outweigh which risks on their stuff.", someone outside the product team, decides which benefits outweigh which risks. As a company, would you REALLY allow this?


And as I said on other posts: the argument that this gives an even playing field isn't valid in my view, since this does require you to not abide by the rules, risking getting (rightfully) banned/blocked from the game, and thus not everyone has it. It's a matter of risk if you use it or not, a risk which isn't fair. Getting benefits (call if fixes if you want) that others don't have because you risk your account isn't fair.
And as said, even the ones that do not need it, get even more benefits, so there goes away all the "even playfield" argument too. Not to mention the desync issue with causes issues to the ones around you, and there's simply no argument I can take as valid for this.
Soffyasd wrote: »
It would be the same thing, IMS is dead af... Even on prime time... Just look at this.
EkPU0cu.jpg

...you couldn't have chosen a worst timing to post a UI modded game screenshot...
...or was that on purpose?
yes

~writes 7 more characters~
Wonder if it's any better for controller use, anyone knows if they brought back the camera/character direction selection? That one really made me stop playing melee and half-quit TERA for quite a while. It really isn't cool when you forcefully change the basic controls way of the game that you were used to for like 3 years.
DL7MMWLJ3W wrote: »
[...] That honestly depends if other ppl can stay on topic and not lash at somebody like they killed their parents or whatever motivates they have here.

Sadly it didn't take 20 minutes for it to happen... Well that was quite inside expectations tho, you agree with the way I want you to agree with me or you're a stupid troll, my enemy for life, and your opinion or even factual data is wrong.

Anyway on my view on it: As I said on another topic, I cannot consider fair that some people risk their accounts for benefits that the ones not doing so will not have. It's obviously not fair to have geographical advantage on something that is not a real world war, but having benefits for daring against the rules is also NOT fair. Saying that "it fixes what never should have been the issue" isn't for me a valid point, since that said fix still requires you to go out of your way to violate the politics to which you agreed and can get banned for doing so. Basically any 1st time player or someone that has the habit of firmly abiding to rules is automatically at a disadvantage. I can't call this fair.
Not to mention desync. "But the devs themselves said to not use it on PVP" yeah right but how is it in reality? Specially with people here so strongly stating that PVP will be dead without it. See, that's how I'm not really in favor of it, not some stupid "muh cheaters" or just a troll as some love to lash at, but then, I also agree that they suddenly throwing a DMCA without having even anything to show as a fix, was a ridiculous stupid idea.
yourboi wrote: »
xoBarb wrote: »
yourboi wrote: »
Your boi zingopingo from the pvp community told every proxy user to leave na and go to eu so there will be no pvp cheaters. Genius right? Now you barely have no one to play with.

You made a new forum acc just to call out @ZingoPingo without @'ing him

0 testosterone

Very good stalking skill there mah boi. How did you knew that i just joined forum yesterday? WOW. Did you also knew that i had been playing since 2016? :o

It... Takes literally ONE CLICK. On your name. Try it with me
also I've been playing since 2014 woooo!! And it doesn't show here (let's be honest, it's irrelevant as heck any of those dates)
yo... I know the issue at hand but... is there any need to make another almost identical thread, just different BG? https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/29312/en-masse-the-que-times-are-unbearable-please-can-you-do-something/p1
Ryusama wrote: »
Unironically, adding a new support/healing class that is balanced for both PVE and PVP is quite difficult at this point. If they plan on releasing another healing/support class, it will take a lot of time since they gotta think how the PVE and PVP scene will react to it and how broken it's gonna be.
feminzii wrote: »
they couldn't even balance priests and mystics without turning them into clones of each other. I don't see the need for a third right now.

Agreed with both, but that's honestly the same as been with DPS ain't it? Release a new one and the shiny toy in the box makes all the rest useless for the 1st month or at least 2 weeks, and then they nerf it to oblivion.

I also don't see them adding a new class... but dang I would love a bard playing guitar lute madly, add to it some Guitar Hero/Rockband/any rhythm game mechanics to chain up combos and increasing buff multiplier by note combo, and it will be epic. Hard to do? Heck yeah. Cool? Heck yeah.

The most we are getting now is versions of locked classes coming to Elin Master Race other races, and for some weird reason I can picture them taking a Zerk style approach and making Sorcerer having some few heal skills to make it sort of a hybrid, even if more DPS focused regardless of hybrid role. Frankly would be quite cool, obviously as always hard to balance, but then again not as much work as another entire class that would obviously be race/gender locked again and cause another uproar
Dang I missed the <Steroids +6> item event!
Khernz wrote: »
Elinlove just another alt account for elinusagi after he finally got banned.

You don't agree with me = You're a troll, stupid, wrong, my enemy and likely an alt
ElinLove wrote: »
>stop being delusional

Stop you being delusional, you know very well the game was in crap state before the merge, and you know very well that people just rush to get their crap sorted out post merge. Merge done? 'kay I'm out. This game has been like this since always, all you got now was the fusion of both.

Really. Stop the majority crap. Go ahead and quote Moongourd uploads like everyone else did as well like yeah that's "the majority".

I definitely do not doubt that the top dogs doing the competitive PVP/PVE runs have influence. But yes it still IS delusional to think that those rule the game. Whales are still whales paying for 100+ dollars of EMP to sell and get stuff easy. They don't even need the higher end runs to get their stuff, and definitely don't need to pull the top level damage numbers (who other than competitive ones need that anyway?). Those, are maintaining it standing. Those, got screwed on MERGE with character deletion. You just got into a very terrible timing for this, it was no wonder it would happen. I do agree it gave a nice push, but no more than this.

I mean you just trying to maintain your narrative by saying stuff without much basis to it. I didn't know a single person I used to play with who didn't use proxy or dps meter in one way or another.

Great basis there also. I didn't know a single one that DID use proxy or DPS meter. I've been in very few runs where people said they had/posted it as well, Conclusions? Yeah very consistent "It is what I've seen" data.
AxeI wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
>stop being delusional

Stop you being delusional, you know very well the game was in crap state before the merge, and you know very well that people just rush to get their crap sorted out post merge. Merge done? 'kay I'm out. This game has been like this since always, all you got now was the fusion of both.

Really. Stop the majority crap. Go ahead and quote Moongourd uploads like everyone else did as well like yeah that's "the majority".

I definitely do not doubt that the top dogs doing the competitive PVP/PVE runs have influence. But yes it still IS delusional to think that those rule the game. Whales are still whales paying for 100+ dollars of EMP to sell and get stuff easy. They don't even need the higher end runs to get their stuff, and definitely don't need to pull the top level damage numbers (who other than competitive ones need that anyway?). Those, are maintaining it standing. Those, got screwed on MERGE with character deletion. You just got into a very terrible timing for this, it was no wonder it would happen. I do agree it gave a nice push, but no more than this.

What should we believe, all the data proving us right or your baseless comment? The whales in this game were the high end community. All you'll have left is privileged people with 30ms left in the game. Even people that didn't use proxy but used DPS meter have no reason at all to stick around. You're truly delusional.

....what data? Seriously, WHAT DATA? The dev's own data showing a mass migration? Ain't it a tad skewed perspective there?

As I say, the game's health has been crap since ~2016 to begin with. This did give a push. Merge that was supposed to solve the population gave another huge push. Stop being delusional with the majority crap is all I ask. I don't care how much you think it's important for the proxy to exist and all, I just can't with that crap that everyone and their dog's alt account have proxy enabled.
>stop being delusional

Stop you being delusional, you know very well the game was in crap state before the merge, and you know very well that people just rush to get their crap sorted out post merge. Merge done? 'kay I'm out. This game has been like this since always, all you got now was the fusion of both.

Really. Stop the majority crap. Go ahead and quote Moongourd uploads like everyone else did as well like yeah that's "the majority".

I definitely do not doubt that the top dogs doing the competitive PVP/PVE runs have influence. But yes it still IS delusional to think that those rule the game. Whales are still whales paying for 100+ dollars of EMP to sell and get stuff easy. They don't even need the higher end runs to get their stuff, and definitely don't need to pull the top level damage numbers (who other than competitive ones need that anyway?). Those, are maintaining it standing. Those, got screwed on MERGE with character deletion. You just got into a very terrible timing for this, it was no wonder it would happen. I do agree it gave a nice push, but no more than this.
Saabi wrote: »
> @Dokibun said:
> I don't want to have to use proxy to play the game with a decent ping. I live 5 hours from the servers. There is no reason why I should be getting the same ping as someone who lives half way across the world.

So basically you want an advantage over everyone who doesnt have your location privaledge? Lol... Why is it so hard for people to want a common ground. Most players in tera used proxy, it provided an even playing field. You living near the server vs others who don't is an unfair situation.



Or are you saying you have bad ping...?

can... we.... JUST STOP THIS MAJORITY BULLCRAP ALREADY???

Seriously. At least tone it down to "most hardcore/competitive players" (which even that could be a stretch but I'll accept this one)... Just... STOP this, it ain't giving you any more credibility to your words.
Ketoth wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
What do you want, yet another server merge?

(cough)

bg/dg queues are cross-servers. merging wouldnt help

I think... that's the joke
SageWindu wrote: »
Paige007 wrote: »
As a founder account who plays casually, I'm just really sad to see all the drama on the forums.

Luckily none of these issues impact me and I enjoy Tera.

Just watching people wish for the game to close down and making forum threats is really draining.

I don't think the players wants this game dead, however I do think that's what EME is trying to do. You see someone shooting their own foot and eventually moved onto shooting their own head, youd also assume that they wanted to end themselves.

Agreed. Hell, I don't think EME is even deliberately trying to sabotage the game, but I do think the higher-ups don't understand the consequences of their actions.

You can only make so many poor decisions before people start to question your intellect and/or integrity.

Like, even as someone who's not sided with the proxy as you could see prior, it's really one of the most idiotic ways to deal with the issue at hand to just out of the blue right after a turmoil time (server merge and it's conflicts that were left to the middle finger approach), they just go and out of the blue DMCA strike a dev's entire git (or what was it that the screwed), and then, after it, "We'll be looking into fixing stuff soon".

Like if the dev had clear cheat stuff on there, had been contacted to stop and pull his/her stuff from public availability and nothing, then OK agreed just strike the hammer and f00ck the sucker who's building actual cheats or being persistent on offenses, but if that's not the case, they sure dealt it the most dumb way possible.

Also if it really is as harmless as supporters say, then they should have shown they're working on a proper solution (and at least some results) before the takedown and all.
......isn't tuesday a normal maintenance day regardless????
Sounds like the classical "let's add fuel to fire for no reason" when things ain't well.
feminzii wrote: »
Aryd wrote: »
True, but that's how the game is designed, and has been since day 1. However, the "learning curve" of each player is different, regardless of the tools they use or don't use. There are still people who have never cleared Red Refuge Normal Mode. Should they just quit? Since we're not offering any help or support to them.
It's not designed that way. Like I said, in K-Tera they have to figure everything out themselves. They don't have full guides written out for them by patch day. As for the RRNM comparison, I don't understand what it is you're trying to say with it. When I don't know how to do a dungeon, I make a learning run, fill it with other people who don't know how to do the dungeon, and we figure it out together. I don't see what's stopping anyone else from doing that. No help or support is necessary. The people who cleared it the first day didn't have any help or support.
Aryd wrote: »
To build on my previous statement a little bit, dungeon guide provided by Proxy are no different than dungeon guides provided by EM, with the only exception being Proxy's dungeon guide is real-time in-game, and EM's is screenshots and somebody telling you what to do. You keep mentioning this so I'll note it, "not everyone is going to have it or know about it, or want to use it", the same could be said about written guides/advice from other players. Look, Proxy didn't tell you how to play your class, it didn't move your character from harm, it gave people who wanted to be better at the game a fair and fighting chance at doing so. That's just my opinion.
All I will say is that, to me, there is a clear difference between a written guide outside of the game and an in-game guide. One is definitely advantageous over the other.

You reminded me of when VS hit NA TERA, I got into a random learning run group on day 1. Heck it was awesome even tho servers were trash and we wiped over and over. We sucked, we knew it, but it was hella lot more fun than going there with the guideline handbook on your face. That kind of trial and guts spirit has to get more popular. If I was active enough (don't have time for it now...) I would probably do a guild named "No Homework" where we learn it by sucking and "git gud" in real time, figuring it out the hard way just for the fun of challenge and surprise.
Aryd wrote: »
[...] it gave people who wanted to be better at the game a fair and fighting chance at doing so. That's just my opinion.

While this can be supported, and agreed upon, that the proxy and any other tools just fix what should never have been an issue, and thus makes it a more fair game, I cannot side with the fairness of the advantages provided with those tools for one fact: It is not fair, if not everyone has that chance.
It would be totally fair if it was possible for everyone, and you can argue that with a little google search you could find so no excuses, but yes there are excuses, or better, solid reasons, why people would not go that route, and the biggest most simple being that yes it IS against ToS and can get you banned, so anyone that doesn't use this has all the right to be concerned about their account and effort put into the game going to waste from a ban, and end up not choosing to use it, going by the rules.
It's honestly not fair in my view that people chose to risk their accounts and mess around with stuff to gain advantages that the ones playing by the rules don't get, no matter how much anyone thinks the rules ain't fair, and then come complaining that the rules are being enforced on them as well. The rules were always there regardless of you liking them, you agreed to them, and there are TONS (and yes, THAT portion is the majority) that complies with them and have no advantages to that, which were at the mercy of the same rules.

Obviously I'll get labeled as the trash dungeon low DPS casual trash since I'm not siding with the Kool Kids side but that is my view on it, that the fairness of these tools are highly debatable. On one hand it does fix what never should have been an issue, and on another one it's not on everyone so not fair that some have advantages or handycap compensations that others don't have access to by abiding to the rules.
ElinLove wrote: »
My vote: 1 month. Because it will reach peak on October 16 probably (or what is the date people have been bitchin' here about?) and saying the game will die then, and after that there will be some two weeks of bitchin' hard on 1st, and then a handful of loudmouths after the 2nd, then we'll be back to asking for name wipe again and saying the game is P2W as always.
And population will be the same thing it's always been.

Very highly doubt. Things are very different now

Nah it's 3rd party "witch hunt" all over again.
For some reason I can think of mEME taking the chance to give some little bit of effort into it as well and at least managing ISPs that route better for further locations
My vote: 1 month. Because it will reach peak on October 16 probably (or what is the date people have been bitchin' here about?) and saying the game will die then, and after that there will be some two weeks of bitchin' hard on 1st, and then a handful of loudmouths after the 2nd, then we'll be back to asking for name wipe again and saying the game is P2W as always.
And population will be the same thing it's always been.
VirtualON wrote: »
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The people who don't use meter are irrelevant erplords anyway so this stats are pretty representative of NA Tera's state right now.

kek tell me about a high and mighty statement. Want me the non meter player to polish your boots mr. king?

Can't tell if serious or not... the Internet killed my sense for sarcasm
ElinLove wrote: »
MForAll wrote: »
There are a couple of factors here. Three of which are: 1) Is your college internet good? 2) How is it routed? 3) Are you on wifi? These three alone can [filtered] your connection over. Nearly all Chicago players I know with ethernet have sub 20ms.

1. My college internet is good, I can play any other game except tera. I'm a big MOBA player / overwatch player and I usually have really low ping.
2. Lmao I have no clue tbh, I use the ethernet and had a vpn that ended my subscription to because I don't wanna continue playing tera
3. Ethernet :shrug:

it could easily be your VPN routing you towards somewhere hella random, and then back to Chicago. You could be doing a roundtrip on the entire USA just to get to the building next door sadly.

Thats probably the case LUL

But i guess I was wondering more is that why is Chicago so significant for the server stability (guess thats the best word) for TERA? Never really had problems server wise other than...last year when everybody and their mother was having major lag and rubberbanding issues and they had to issue an official statement and really recently, like this summer recently.

The servers are physically located in Chicago as far as we know, hence it's held as the holy grail of TERA low ping.
Whoever as you could see this does not guarantee it, and also your ISP's routing is also big (or biggest) part of it. If your ISP's distribution is close to or in Chicago, and you're close to that distribution center, then you scored gold, any longer fiber path and ping increases.
MForAll wrote: »
There are a couple of factors here. Three of which are: 1) Is your college internet good? 2) How is it routed? 3) Are you on wifi? These three alone can [filtered] your connection over. Nearly all Chicago players I know with ethernet have sub 20ms.

1. My college internet is good, I can play any other game except tera. I'm a big MOBA player / overwatch player and I usually have really low ping.
2. Lmao I have no clue tbh, I use the ethernet and had a vpn that ended my subscription to because I don't wanna continue playing tera
3. Ethernet :shrug:

it could easily be your VPN routing you towards somewhere hella random, and then back to Chicago. You could be doing a roundtrip on the entire USA just to get to the building next door sadly.
ItzMirai wrote: »
Tydarius wrote: »
When they joined is relevant given the sheer amount of whine spam lately. Clear that some of your are creating multiple accounts just to keep spamming the same tired QQ over and over again.

Lifes too short. Go outside and play or something, log off and, I dunno, go have a life. Stop spending so much time crying over nothing.

Then you're either assuming there aren't that many people playing the game or denying that there may be more people than you thought recurring to proxy to play the game... anyways, i've left my feedback in the proper thread already i don't want to bother engaging in useless fight with people, have a nice day

It's called vocal minority. It's the same as when Elins got censored on NA release and it was a huge uproar by a handful of randoms. The rest just went along as if nothing happened, but the few loudmouths made themselves seen as if they were a gigantic portion of the community by sheer noise.
Hard defenders/believers of something will always make the most noise. The part that doesn't have such strong stances will not bother enough.
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Equitas wrote: »
These guys were literally fixing the issues your game had for 0 profit. You guys profited from their work.
Even if you guys DO implement ping compensation into your game, the game won't be as active as it was before, because you guys literally just showed how out of touch with the playerbase you are and ultimately, you showed us that you don't even care. People will come back, but not active as it had been post-merge up until now.

So with that, I say; Have fun focusing on Kritika, AVA, and Closers! It's been a nice 6 years!

Joined 12:47pm
Avroraa wrote: »
AVA shut down 3 months ago lmao

Joined 7:24am

Does it matter when they joined if they're stating facts?

The only fact I saw was the AVA shutdown tho. The rest is just the same exaggeration and holding the devs in a pedestal as all the other threads. The rest of the 1st comment is all opinion as well. Opinions aren't facts.
Tydarius wrote: »
Basically, these "hero of the people" devs show their true snake like colors and show how petty they truly are. Just like your typical haxor. Like insignificant petulant children, they throw tantrums and threaten to hold the actual player base hostage.

The thing I honestly do not understand is that people are constantly expressing concerns about accountability in case there was a security issue with Xigncode, and how they don't trust it to not be used for malicious purposes. And yet, people will install this stuff on their computer. Where is the accountability? If the developers get into a spat and decide to weaponize their software to "take EME down", or if they decide to "punish" those who stick with EME and try to keep using their tool (by, for example, mass deleting their characters, disbanding their guilds, and getting the accounts banned), who is going to be accountable? Why would these people, who try to come across as benevolent, admit to holding this much power -- even as a "joke" -- and think no one who installed their software will have any problem with random people on the internet having that much control, but then say they're so concerned about Xigncode distributed under license by EME with full U.S. consumer protections and accountability?

Besides that, there are people in the community who have now made actual material threats (not jokes) about disrupting EME's business operations via exploits and cyberattacks, and this is actually against the law -- it is a criminal offense. The people who have done this could literally find themselves arrested and charged and go to jail -- and I'm not even being facetious or exaggerating at all. That's what this has come to -- over this.

This whole weekend I have been trying to prepare a clear explanation of the positive benefits these tools brought people in the hopes that there will be a small chance BHS will finally listen. But people have taken it way too far now. This has gone far past being just a game now, and it has nothing to do with what consequences there may or may not be to EME and this game. I don't think that people realize how serious some of this stuff actually is; they just think it's all a fantasy and they can make real or implied threats that have no negative consequence to them. Even totally setting aside this game, for people's own well-being, I really urge them to just take a big step back off this ledge. This game isn't worth becoming a martyr for.

It's the "Big companies are evil" rule Counterpoint. It's basic, the same always happens. Heck, if they did license a proper fix from a reputable big company, it worked and all, but was a big company, people would still throw their fit and use the 3rd party one I bet ya.

This proxy fandom tries hella hard for me to turn against them when I never had an issue with their stuff.

It's "The Big 3rd Party Witch Hunt" all over again. Just like before, "Everyone uses this or they're useless casuals that do nothing but trash dungeons" (ain't even exaggerating, I'm really just rewriting comments I saw on these topics here, on both occasions), "The game will shut down for good when you ban all the people with this", and "We're organizing a mass boycott, when it happens you'll all see the servers empty", and that last one was the meme of the month, there was like no difference. I predict the exact same thing this time, just with new gear sets, Elin Gunners and Male Brawlers.
ElinLove wrote: »
W66995R7J7 wrote: »
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4 - a couple of days ago, I saw a lot of players in the game chat, I went to the dungeons easily, now, I stand in a queue for a very long time, it feels like the players just leave.

I will believe that by October 16, the situation will change for the better. Thanks for reading my post.

Best regards, Tera player online.

A couple of days ago (yeah more precisely middle of the month so two weeks give or take) was the merge. People rushed around to see if they got names taken, had to delete stuff, could log-in, how were friends and so on. Then the usual TERA hype died hits, and people come and leave at their usual downwards sawtooth graph.

This situation right now is exactly the same as the 3rd party witch hunt thing that never made the impact that 3rd party supporters said it would do, the game itself had and still has many other reasons for declining population and that one was definitely not the straw that broke the camel's back, it was just another straw on the camel's back and the camel keeps marching forward. Now, yet another straw to the camel's back was added. I predict the camel will keep marching forward slowly and surely more exhausted day by day. The 2 straws did nothing. There is way heavier cargo on the back of that starving and thirsty camel that are killing it. Namely who added the straws not the straws themselves.


Delusional. What happened is not even a day later we discovered that maintaining proxy was still possible and easy since the countermeasures didn't do anything, that's why nothing happened. Now both proxy and DPS meter are simply gonna stop working on NA.

I don't see what you mean on Delusional there, unless you mean the people who make it seem as if a vast majority uses proxy and DPS meters and that this will kill the game.

As I keep saying, there's a ton of worse and more impacting decisions En Masse and specially Blue Hole have been taking that just isn't promissing. And still, the same downwards sawtooth of population will keep happening
W66995R7J7 wrote: »
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4 - a couple of days ago, I saw a lot of players in the game chat, I went to the dungeons easily, now, I stand in a queue for a very long time, it feels like the players just leave.

I will believe that by October 16, the situation will change for the better. Thanks for reading my post.

Best regards, Tera player online.

A couple of days ago (yeah more precisely middle of the month so two weeks give or take) was the merge. People rushed around to see if they got names taken, had to delete stuff, could log-in, how were friends and so on. Then the usual TERA hype died hits, and people come and leave at their usual downwards sawtooth graph.

This situation right now is exactly the same as the 3rd party witch hunt thing that never made the impact that 3rd party supporters said it would do, the game itself had and still has many other reasons for declining population and that one was definitely not the straw that broke the camel's back, it was just another straw on the camel's back and the camel keeps marching forward. Now, yet another straw to the camel's back was added. I predict the camel will keep marching forward slowly and surely more exhausted day by day. The 2 straws did nothing. There is way heavier cargo on the back of that starving and thirsty camel that are killing it. Namely who added the straws not the straws themselves.
Hanuishi wrote: »
No point in a name wipe now since they accidentally did one with the merge. There's no names to snatch up since most ppl saved them already.

Not really accidentally, just a ninja wipe to avoid name sellers from logging into their tons of characters beforehand to screw up the name solving.
Tho, it would have worked anyway unless there were actual players with longer playtime than the name hoarder, even if you log beforehand.

Don't think they'll do another one, as the only reason I can see for a name wipe is clearing up path for an influx of name demand, say merge (name conflicts, as it did happen), and something like huge patch well promoted.

To be fair it would be very nice to see them having a reason to perform name wiping, like, huge influx of players for whatever reason...
Berogi wrote: »
Does BHS own Gameforge? Genuine question.

They don't, Gameforge is an entirely separate company, contrary to En Masse
Since you did ask, I play it cause it was fun enough.
No other game had the same BGs and cute Elins for me to play that, so that's the game I went to play, and it's combat mechanics are fun.

You make it sound as if I'm torturing myself and making myself as an idiot for playing it because of all the 3rd party deal but no, sorry, I never used any of those tools and always played fine enough on my 180ms ping on average, while knowing that I can't go as high DPS as the top tier players.
The deal is just that the extremely loud minority of the playerbase that claims those tools are essential to play and "you can barely start the game without" and "vast majority users" are just spewing entitled BS, sorry if it offends but it's as simple as that. I never used those nor any of the people I know that played this game with me here in this very same country.
Nor did any of us need weird tweaks to keep us from jamming up the entire game every hour or so logged, so even the whole memory leak problem was absent, even on lower end PCs than mine (and heck mine isn't all that).

I do not deny any of those issues. I don't say that my case is the most common of all. But this entitlement of this loud vocal minority is just stupid. Stop making it seem as if anyone that just normally has their fun without any 3rd party or mod is non-existent or stupid casual.

I predict the population hit from this 3rd party takedown will be the exact same BS as it was on the so called 3rd party witch hunt from last year or 2016 when was it... It's the same crap all over again and as always, the loud as heck minority that says everyone uses that will make it seem as if the game will shut down for good when they stop playing. But.... Yeah it will be the same downwards sawtooth graphic on the population from each new patch.
Sounds weird... I can think of two things, one being p!ss-poor code as always, like some controllers causing memory leak for random reasons, the other one being that I've heard of some gaming mice doing this, and they usually have some extra software on the system related to them that handles their special functionality (say macros, extra keys, lighting and such). If your keyboard has that, the software for that may be giving issues instead of the game just blocking the macro function and that's it, as it is with my Microsoft Wireless 2000 set that does have macro key functionality. Indeed I've tested creating chat macros for BGs (since some instructions are always the same after all) and it just blocked the macro usage in-game regardless of it being a chat input only, but no FPS issues, freezes or such.
This sadly doesn't mean that the game handles macro key blocking properly without freezing up tho, so may be your case.
I'm like, not even against the use of non-cheat tools that fix mEME's routing and provide a less bad ping. I'm not against UI mods that fix FPS dips.
But, this stupid idea that "90% uses it you'll be playing alone when this gets banned" just has to stop. It's outright stupid.

At least, keep a little bit more of an idea on how big is the demographic of those tools and stuff that you claim being the saving grace of the game that "you cannot even start the game without" and BS alike.
*With this, I mean no one in specific, but EVERYONE that spews that stupid exaggeration. No, you're not a vast majority, stop that.
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