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@StarSprite said:

@Christin said:

@Maldicion159 said:
A quick solution might be to a) offer Bellicarium Credits for participation to help guarantee continuous queues and to supplement the fact that no other BG pops
b) offer jackpots of up to 1000 Wintera Tokens
c) bring back campfires for the battleground to make everyone happy
d) queue as GMs and actually interact with your playerbase in the game.
e) this one's nitpicking but I feel that part of the disappointment I get from the battleground is that I can die. it's a snowball fight. maybe make my character sit down when I run out of HP and can't get back up until someone resses me.
f) grade losers based on participation and grant up to 30 tokens to the losing team. a player who does well shouldn't be entirely held back by their team and it would also scale as a noobs learn the mechanics. if you were fodder on the losing team a loss is still worth 20.

((maybe)) reduce the cost of items that aren't major cashshop items by 25%
I understand the mask hider is a major p2w item and need to be expensive. I wouldn't be opposed to it requiring 2 years of Wintera in order to obtain.
potentially add a sane amount of EMP to the Wintera Token shop. a Christmas present of sorts.
I know I had 700 EMP from just playing the game without ever buying Elite until this month.This was mostly gotten several years ago back when Elite trials were handed out to everyone occasionally.
I also believe that if TERA is to become commercially viable again, gifting digital currency that EME has total control over ought to be sustainable.
I was taken in by the twitch.tv chess community at first through the generosity of strangers, who welcomed me by gifting me month long subscriptions to many channels. I have in turn subscribed for many months with my own money. I believe this principle of investing into players is worth while as long as they put in effort to play the game. enjoyment spreads.

I bought elite in remembrance of the efforts EME has put in over the 5 years I've played this game and because I actually want it to succeed.

Not sure why players even waste their time typing out these "to do" comments when it's obvious EME isn't interested and can't even do most of them. BHS already does their own thing, so yeah, if they wanted to save things, they would have made changes long ago.

Player feedback is always extremely helpful even if you dont see the results. Eme may not visit the forums anymore but the player council does and we do our best to communicate pain points to eme. It definitely helps our case when we can point to a thread or discord discussion and say hey it's not just us saying this. That's how the dungeon event got extended and how we got certain changes with the patch. Player feedback is essential and I personally appreciate when someone takes the time to contact me or post about pain points in the game

There are things eme cant change because of one limitation or other. They're not robots who can work on the game 24/7 and some things only bh has the power to change. If your personal grievances havent been resolved theres probably a reason for it.

Also I know eme makes mistakes and have their flaws, they aren't blameless here. But I'd still encourage people to be constructive and give feedback if they can

Perfect example about how much people really care as you've made a whopping 8 posts to this forum September to November and just recently started posting again in one thread. I do see 2 other posts for December. Wow, you're really concerned about the game I see.

Yeah, EME cares so much that they don't even bother playing the game. You make so many excuses for them acting as though visiting the forums would take countless hours of their precious time. Are you serious with those excuses? You barely even post more than they do but somehow, got the dungeon event extended. Wow! So they made one change to appease people and to use as an example that they really care. However, taking 5 minutes out of their day to respond to forum posts is just too much to ask. I guess why bother anyways seeing as they simply don't care much and just do player council changes to make you guys happy. You basically told us that the forums are nothing more than fodder for changes people on the player council want and not much more than that. I guess the last thing they want is to make their cheer-leading section mad. Then, who would white knight for them every day? Not you, of course, but others on the player council that do actually post here a lot.

You're right though. Players should still take their precious time to create long "to do" posts, so the player council can pick and choose which changes they like and don't like. Players have plenty of time in their lives even though seems no one else actually getting paid to work on the game has much time. Thanks for the clarification.

@Maldicion159 said:
A quick solution might be to a) offer Bellicarium Credits for participation to help guarantee continuous queues and to supplement the fact that no other BG pops
b) offer jackpots of up to 1000 Wintera Tokens
c) bring back campfires for the battleground to make everyone happy
d) queue as GMs and actually interact with your playerbase in the game.
e) this one's nitpicking but I feel that part of the disappointment I get from the battleground is that I can die. it's a snowball fight. maybe make my character sit down when I run out of HP and can't get back up until someone resses me.
f) grade losers based on participation and grant up to 30 tokens to the losing team. a player who does well shouldn't be entirely held back by their team and it would also scale as a noobs learn the mechanics. if you were fodder on the losing team a loss is still worth 20.

((maybe)) reduce the cost of items that aren't major cashshop items by 25%
I understand the mask hider is a major p2w item and need to be expensive. I wouldn't be opposed to it requiring 2 years of Wintera in order to obtain.
potentially add a sane amount of EMP to the Wintera Token shop. a Christmas present of sorts.
I know I had 700 EMP from just playing the game without ever buying Elite until this month.This was mostly gotten several years ago back when Elite trials were handed out to everyone occasionally.
I also believe that if TERA is to become commercially viable again, gifting digital currency that EME has total control over ought to be sustainable.
I was taken in by the twitch.tv chess community at first through the generosity of strangers, who welcomed me by gifting me month long subscriptions to many channels. I have in turn subscribed for many months with my own money. I believe this principle of investing into players is worth while as long as they put in effort to play the game. enjoyment spreads.

I bought elite in remembrance of the efforts EME has put in over the 5 years I've played this game and because I actually want it to succeed.

Not sure why players even waste their time typing out these "to do" comments when it's obvious EME isn't interested and can't even do most of them. BHS already does their own thing, so yeah, if they wanted to save things, they would have made changes long ago.

@Maulclaw said:
I think you're forgetting that this is a thing... all MMOs do? Did you know that character slots over at EU can cost more than 30$? And that they used to have 400$ loot boxes? Have you ever seen the 100$ prices for virtual houses in The Elder Scrolls Online? The list goes on and on, my friend...

Wow, never thought of that! Are those games down to 2 servers to? Have those games had their community managers removed to? Is the developer of those games about to release a competing game soon?

Yeah, I think you're most likely missing the point.

@nnhorizon said:

plus a horse mount, other snowman mount, the skull heads
A win is 40 toks, so 100 wins for a big-ticket item

Def not getting anywhere close by the time the event ends. Queues don't pop anymore, folks have prob given up by now

So happy not bothering with it. Always hated the snowball game, so 100 wins would be impossible for me to even attempt. So sad to see so much charged for stuff that was so much more fun to attain last year.

@DeusFurta said:
Not to keep resurrecting this thread but I just saw this article about TERA's Santa Event by mmobomb. Glad other people agree that these kind of events are just cheap schemes to cash in on the holidays. Unfortunately I don't think there's really much we can do. Complaining about events has never really changed things when there's money involved...

Tbh I really don't mind the golden gift boxes. They've been pretty cool in the past if you want to get something for your TERA friends. The addition of the impossible p2w mount is really the only thing that I don't like :/

I do think 2020 will be an interesting year for TERA though. I have a hard time believing that we'll end the next with the same cold shoulder.

Sad thing is that it must have worked in the past, which is why they are starting to incorporate it more in game now. You'd think people are smarter than that, but obviously, they are not.

TBH, I think the whole point is to put prizes in the store that are not attainable, which is why no one really wants to do that event. Support asking you to post on forums is what they do when they don't really care, so yeah nothing will change. They're probably hoping people will white knight their 4k tokens price, which is highly unlikely.

Yeah, don't blame the dead console version for the dead PC version.

@LiamDahvis said:
I wonder if NA will end up like tera sea where Ganeforge just ends up taking over. I mean at this point it's probably the best thing that could happen to NA

I would come back to the game if Gameforge took over the NA server. I really would, because at least they care about their player base and don't hold out the collection bin while giving all givers the middle finger. Even the last of my friends left over EME's obvious greed and happiness over getting one over on the players. They'd most likely even come back if Gameforge took over. It would really be the best thing for Tera NA.

@Maldicion159 said:

@TJKat said:

@Maldicion159 said:
and you gotta win Wintera 100x to get a mask hider...
unless they buffed the rate which I doubt

They need to remove 3 zeros from the cost of transparent masks and hidden weapon sheaths. I don't know why EME insists on punishing us.

personally I commend them for attempting to maintain the illusion of a decent regulated economy even if the items we requested cost a tad too much

thank you @counterpoint for responding to player feedback.

the hidden weapon/mask items require 100 wins or a greater combination of wins and losses.
most of the items are priced out of the range of times players are willing to queue.

Doesn't matter anyways, the event will no doubt be as barren as the candy canon event. People aren't even bothering to do those events, because they no longer need the grind. Just fish and buy whatever you want as it will take less time than grinding for the nice prizes in events. It's almost like a joke in game now to see who is falling for the events as it's always noobs that don't know how to make bank fishing.

I love how much people complain about so much in the game and how it never changes yet will admit that they "fork over wads of cash". Oh the humor of it all.

And no, I don't get the whole "Well, BHS wasn't going to even have outfits." argument as no outfits is better than just elin outfits. All this does is foster more contempt for elins as if there already isn't enough contempt of them as it is.

@Maldicion159 said:
guys
a lot of story depends on Exodor not being flyable.
remember hitchhiking on the butterfly larva things?
that's because the air is too light and the normal flying mounts can't generate sufficient lift

You do realize the story was created AFTER they decided on ways they would cash in on the new levels right?

You mean for the Wintera stuff? Any screenshots?

@TJKat said:

@Melyodis said:
our CM is no where to be found

There is no CM anymore since there is no Community Team anymore. They literally have no one on staff for interacting with the players. @Counterpoint has summed this up for us several times now. No one will come here to say 'hi' because they've let things deteriorate so badly they know they will be lynched immediately if they post here. I'm sure they blame the players for this, but it's a situation of their own making, and TBH, at this point, I'm not sure there's any way to fix it anymore.

@Melyodis said:
a few patches now this has been taking place

This has been going on for a LOT more than a "few" patches. This started right after Arsenal when they told some people details about the patch ahead of time, who then proceeded to exploit the [filtered] out of that info. Since then, no one gets patch notes until maintenance is underway. This is a deliberate choice on EME's part since they DO seem to have the patch notes up on the forum at least a day ahead of time, but leave them invisible so no one can see them.

But you're absolutely right, EME should be ashamed that their players have to go to Gameforge to get info about their game in a timely manner.

Just another reason why I think EME knows something significant. Going as it is, Tera could be viable for at least 2 to 3 years yet, but for some reason, EME has abandoned the forums and social media other than putting out weekly updates. Why would they abandon the game so early even when new updates are being released and so soon after higher level were added?

@Fainall said:

@Maldicion159 said:
I thought elites had unlimited exodor flight?

Nope, if you want to fly on Exodor you have to do the quest to get the potion. I think it's not even all day, I am not sure I never bothered to do it because not being able to fly on Exodor with a mount that you already paid cash for just grinds my gears. That is one really big point of contention for me. And now they are offering this mount that can fly there, but it comes from the golden gift boxes? Bad move. Just put that thing straight up in the cash shop at least with NO RNG! But once again worst solution to a problem. They should have just made a potion you could quest for once that lets you fly there for all time. Or simply change it so you can fly there period.

Best get used to it. Obviously it was done on purpose and won't be changed. Best thing they could have done to make all flying mounts people paid loads for useless now so they have to shell out more cash. They know their loyal player base will get mad for a few minutes as they pull out their plastic. Surely was nice of BHS to lower the XP requirement all while knowing the setups that awaited the new 68's and higher. So many more customers for their Exodor mat boxes and golden gift boxes with an Exodor flying mount. Of course, they made the change out of love and not out of greed and surely the ones that believe that will be happy to pay. No doubt the partner system will be next to get an Exodor revamp. Maybe a new partner with a higher power bonus and 2 passives.

@MargaretRose said:

@Christin said:

@Maldicion159 said:

@Christin said:

@Maldicion159 said:

@Christin said:

@SaphirKanzaki said:
I started playing an idle game on iOS. So whenever I have a little waiting time during the workday, I click on it. The ingame shop is quite optimistic. Monthly substription up to 28€, single payments up to 100€. I'm not paying this as this is an "idle game" (per definition).

Let's turn this around. Every game is something you do for relaxing in your free time. And everything does cost money, even when playing basketball you need shoes or pay a club to play indoors. Now compare how much you're willing to spend for your free time.

For me, Tera is still one of my cheapest hobbies. Even hiking does cost more (smartphone app, equipment, hotel, transfer, etc.). When I was shooting firearms, costs did explode due to ammo prices. Even meeting friends, having dinner and some drinks in a bar is going fast up for just one evening.

The trick is to look at the own budget and compare your recreational spendings. It's up to you, if Tera is worth it.
Because unlike other games, in Tera you can farm gold and still get EMP. We still can buy shop items from other players.

First off, your examples give you far greater benefits than Tera ever will. Most of the other stuff you mention will make you more fit and learning to shoot a gun irl I'd say is more important than playing some online game.

So, you like to throw cash at your passive hobby, great for you. However, I'd say most people want to invest cash into a game they know will be around for a while and where the publisher at least pretends to care. I do love how you explain down to us about how much going out costs and so on, but you're missing most of the point. I've played plenty of other online games, and EME is one of the greediest companies I have ever seen. Mostly all dyeable versions of their costumes and mounts with benefits come in loot boxes that people have spent hundreds on trying to get something rare. Their system is beyond sad, tremendously greedy and simply gets old; all while EME calls players "spoiled" and tells them they don't even want to bother with a Community Manager, because Tera players simply don't deserve one.

I mean it's hard to tell which is stupider, the playerbase or the company.
I can kind of empathize with EME for how bloody spoiled the playerbase is (not by EME, granted), how little it appears they know about the game, and how little influence they would have over its direction even if they did know what is up. I feel like the people who knew anything about TERA left a long time, the original devs probably got sacked, most EME is probably different by now, and LOL I'm in the process of cashing out so I can log back on after the ingame economy has inevitably crashed and I can be rich. I expect everyone who's rich to continue to spend money like they're used to after it crashes so eventually I'll be rich in comparison.

Well, good luck with that. I sold a bunch of stuff and can't even be bothered to log back in to waste it on lootboxes like I had planned. I do blame EME, because they pretty much give us all the middle finger and tell us straight up that they don't want to bother with the community. Give them your cash then stfu. Just like how they can't even be bothered to play the game, moderate anything or even seem to care about any of it. Just more evidence that they know something we don't know and don't want to bother on a game they know has no future or hope.

Maybe they do have a high turnover rate, but that is just another reason to move on already. The only thing keeping most players there is the fishing and that will only last until people whine and cry enough for them to get rid of afk fishing to force players back into playing dungeons. Of course that won't work, so yeah, it will be interesting.

I can't blame them for not wanting to bother with the community

Well, golden gift boxes are out (I think) so now, people can throw their cash at those. Maybe after a grand or two, you to can get that new mount to fly in Exodor! LOL

It's adorable how a problem was created to later sell the solution.
Typical...

Waits for that one person to chime in about how they created that mount to actually help players, because they've finally heard the complaints about not being able to fly.

@Maldicion159 said:

@Christin said:

@Maldicion159 said:

@Christin said:

@SaphirKanzaki said:
I started playing an idle game on iOS. So whenever I have a little waiting time during the workday, I click on it. The ingame shop is quite optimistic. Monthly substription up to 28€, single payments up to 100€. I'm not paying this as this is an "idle game" (per definition).

Let's turn this around. Every game is something you do for relaxing in your free time. And everything does cost money, even when playing basketball you need shoes or pay a club to play indoors. Now compare how much you're willing to spend for your free time.

For me, Tera is still one of my cheapest hobbies. Even hiking does cost more (smartphone app, equipment, hotel, transfer, etc.). When I was shooting firearms, costs did explode due to ammo prices. Even meeting friends, having dinner and some drinks in a bar is going fast up for just one evening.

The trick is to look at the own budget and compare your recreational spendings. It's up to you, if Tera is worth it.
Because unlike other games, in Tera you can farm gold and still get EMP. We still can buy shop items from other players.

First off, your examples give you far greater benefits than Tera ever will. Most of the other stuff you mention will make you more fit and learning to shoot a gun irl I'd say is more important than playing some online game.

So, you like to throw cash at your passive hobby, great for you. However, I'd say most people want to invest cash into a game they know will be around for a while and where the publisher at least pretends to care. I do love how you explain down to us about how much going out costs and so on, but you're missing most of the point. I've played plenty of other online games, and EME is one of the greediest companies I have ever seen. Mostly all dyeable versions of their costumes and mounts with benefits come in loot boxes that people have spent hundreds on trying to get something rare. Their system is beyond sad, tremendously greedy and simply gets old; all while EME calls players "spoiled" and tells them they don't even want to bother with a Community Manager, because Tera players simply don't deserve one.

I mean it's hard to tell which is stupider, the playerbase or the company.
I can kind of empathize with EME for how bloody spoiled the playerbase is (not by EME, granted), how little it appears they know about the game, and how little influence they would have over its direction even if they did know what is up. I feel like the people who knew anything about TERA left a long time, the original devs probably got sacked, most EME is probably different by now, and LOL I'm in the process of cashing out so I can log back on after the ingame economy has inevitably crashed and I can be rich. I expect everyone who's rich to continue to spend money like they're used to after it crashes so eventually I'll be rich in comparison.

Well, good luck with that. I sold a bunch of stuff and can't even be bothered to log back in to waste it on lootboxes like I had planned. I do blame EME, because they pretty much give us all the middle finger and tell us straight up that they don't want to bother with the community. Give them your cash then stfu. Just like how they can't even be bothered to play the game, moderate anything or even seem to care about any of it. Just more evidence that they know something we don't know and don't want to bother on a game they know has no future or hope.

Maybe they do have a high turnover rate, but that is just another reason to move on already. The only thing keeping most players there is the fishing and that will only last until people whine and cry enough for them to get rid of afk fishing to force players back into playing dungeons. Of course that won't work, so yeah, it will be interesting.

I can't blame them for not wanting to bother with the community

Well, golden gift boxes are out (I think) so now, people can throw their cash at those. Maybe after a grand or two, you to can get that new mount to fly in Exodor! LOL

How long do you both really think they will continue to let people just afk to earn gold?

The legion quests were pretty cool until they nerfed them. Eventually, they will nerf fishing to.

@Maldicion159 said:

@Christin said:

@SaphirKanzaki said:
I started playing an idle game on iOS. So whenever I have a little waiting time during the workday, I click on it. The ingame shop is quite optimistic. Monthly substription up to 28€, single payments up to 100€. I'm not paying this as this is an "idle game" (per definition).

Let's turn this around. Every game is something you do for relaxing in your free time. And everything does cost money, even when playing basketball you need shoes or pay a club to play indoors. Now compare how much you're willing to spend for your free time.

For me, Tera is still one of my cheapest hobbies. Even hiking does cost more (smartphone app, equipment, hotel, transfer, etc.). When I was shooting firearms, costs did explode due to ammo prices. Even meeting friends, having dinner and some drinks in a bar is going fast up for just one evening.

The trick is to look at the own budget and compare your recreational spendings. It's up to you, if Tera is worth it.
Because unlike other games, in Tera you can farm gold and still get EMP. We still can buy shop items from other players.

First off, your examples give you far greater benefits than Tera ever will. Most of the other stuff you mention will make you more fit and learning to shoot a gun irl I'd say is more important than playing some online game.

So, you like to throw cash at your passive hobby, great for you. However, I'd say most people want to invest cash into a game they know will be around for a while and where the publisher at least pretends to care. I do love how you explain down to us about how much going out costs and so on, but you're missing most of the point. I've played plenty of other online games, and EME is one of the greediest companies I have ever seen. Mostly all dyeable versions of their costumes and mounts with benefits come in loot boxes that people have spent hundreds on trying to get something rare. Their system is beyond sad, tremendously greedy and simply gets old; all while EME calls players "spoiled" and tells them they don't even want to bother with a Community Manager, because Tera players simply don't deserve one.

I mean it's hard to tell which is stupider, the playerbase or the company.
I can kind of empathize with EME for how bloody spoiled the playerbase is (not by EME, granted), how little it appears they know about the game, and how little influence they would have over its direction even if they did know what is up. I feel like the people who knew anything about TERA left a long time, the original devs probably got sacked, most EME is probably different by now, and LOL I'm in the process of cashing out so I can log back on after the ingame economy has inevitably crashed and I can be rich. I expect everyone who's rich to continue to spend money like they're used to after it crashes so eventually I'll be rich in comparison.

Well, good luck with that. I sold a bunch of stuff and can't even be bothered to log back in to waste it on lootboxes like I had planned. I do blame EME, because they pretty much give us all the middle finger and tell us straight up that they don't want to bother with the community. Give them your cash then stfu. Just like how they can't even be bothered to play the game, moderate anything or even seem to care about any of it. Just more evidence that they know something we don't know and don't want to bother on a game they know has no future or hope.

Maybe they do have a high turnover rate, but that is just another reason to move on already. The only thing keeping most players there is the fishing and that will only last until people whine and cry enough for them to get rid of afk fishing to force players back into playing dungeons. Of course that won't work, so yeah, it will be interesting.

@Maldicion159 said:
how about an update to make it so we can actually have access to 100% of Velika rather than 80% or whatever it is now?
a day/night cycle
weather
fill in the rest of the map
something to do in the open world that isn't killing mobs

That doesn't shove cash into their or BHS's pockets, so yeah, that is not likely to get done. It's all about gear and store stuff, so expect more gear and gear levels along with more costumes, mounts and partner junk. That's all Tera is about anymore.

@SaphirKanzaki said:
I'm an exotic from Europe where guns are not allowed for citizens (except sports) and we don't have to fear active shooters. So handling a gun is quite unnecessary here.

I was in the US this year (Boston, NYC), so I probably can compare the actual prices. Having a meal with friends goes for $20, going to a bar will be $10-$20 per cocktail. I'm a quite moderate drinker, so 2 cocktails will be enough for me. So going out with friends will be $40 just for the evening, I'm not even talking about going to a club. I live in Germany, Munich and the prices ramp up. Lunch is for rather $30 and even parking comes with $20-30 (depends on hours).

Going to a Bowling Hall is without meal, but will also be $10-20 per person per hour (depends on how many firends). Some softdrinks do not cost much, but at the end of the evening the same amount will be spent. Btw, I'm paying $90 per month for a gym (yes, it's quite luxurious :-).

I don't know how you may regard playing an MMO as a passive hobby. I'd call watching Netflix/Amazon Prime series as a passive hobby - and a lot of people do that.

Perhaps there's an experience difference between the two of us. I had a lot of hobbies in my life, ranging from archery over cooking to playing some music. There are only a few hobbies that yield a real "benefit". Cooking enables me to show of to my friends, my fishing yields the freshest fish.
However, MMOs in general yield an interesting social component I have learned in the past, though it was not Tera. In applications, putting in e.g. "football capitan" is one very strong point. Unfortunately, we all can't be football team leaders. But in MMOs, we can experience being a leader of a group. I learned quite some skills when leading a 40 man raid back in my old MMO days. And this is a benefit that did effect my career more than cycling, martial arts or freeclimbing, even I did e.g. all these 3 for years.

TMI! I can't tell if your replies are serious or what. The entire point is that this is a game, so all of your examples are really beyond ridiculous. Of course, you haven't bothered comparing their pricing to other games, which is quite amusing. Are you really just trying to justify the amount of money you've put into the game? That isn't what this topic is about. I know the price of stuff, so you rambling on a laundry list of what all this or that costs is not necessary for me or others. I can pay $20 for a game that my son will play for months, so yeah, lets at least stick with games rather than bringing your entire life's worth of hobbies into the mix.

@Kinghime said:
I took a break for almost a year, even more on my alts, and came back to see they don't do account mounts anymore which is really upsetting;; I don't want to buy a single mount now unless it comes in a loot crate because a $2 character only mount is still justifiable.

I do understand that the game is free and thus makes most of it's money in the shop. That being said, I also feel that they would make more money by lowering the prices. I mean, look how well Cyber Monday did. Not only was everyone buying (because the prices were more reasonable) but they even brought back the elin outfits because of how well they sold.

It's pretty simple economics that if you can hit that lower sweet spot of price, more people would buy. I wouldn't mind more options, especially for masc characters since there's an obvious elin bias to all the outfits they design.

Funny thing is it seems as their server numbers decrease, their prices and greed increase. Amusing concept really. I didn't see the sales after Friday, because I was over it and not going to pay another dime once I saw how horrible the first sale was. Nothing is going to change, they will simply get greedier and put more and more into lootboxes. I was lucky to pay gold for most of what I got, but even then, one eventually realized there is just no point anymore. Hobbies and games should at least be enjoyable, and Tera is no longer that for me. Now, it's nothing but a grind to get stuff or gear up. All of my friends are gone, the community is bitter (not their fault at all) and the devoted spend most of their time defending the greedy publisher along with deny that the game doesn't have much of a future anymore.

@SaphirKanzaki said:
I started playing an idle game on iOS. So whenever I have a little waiting time during the workday, I click on it. The ingame shop is quite optimistic. Monthly substription up to 28€, single payments up to 100€. I'm not paying this as this is an "idle game" (per definition).

Let's turn this around. Every game is something you do for relaxing in your free time. And everything does cost money, even when playing basketball you need shoes or pay a club to play indoors. Now compare how much you're willing to spend for your free time.

For me, Tera is still one of my cheapest hobbies. Even hiking does cost more (smartphone app, equipment, hotel, transfer, etc.). When I was shooting firearms, costs did explode due to ammo prices. Even meeting friends, having dinner and some drinks in a bar is going fast up for just one evening.

The trick is to look at the own budget and compare your recreational spendings. It's up to you, if Tera is worth it.
Because unlike other games, in Tera you can farm gold and still get EMP. We still can buy shop items from other players.

First off, your examples give you far greater benefits than Tera ever will. Most of the other stuff you mention will make you more fit and learning to shoot a gun irl I'd say is more important than playing some online game.

So, you like to throw cash at your passive hobby, great for you. However, I'd say most people want to invest cash into a game they know will be around for a while and where the publisher at least pretends to care. I do love how you explain down to us about how much going out costs and so on, but you're missing most of the point. I've played plenty of other online games, and EME is one of the greediest companies I have ever seen. Mostly all dyeable versions of their costumes and mounts with benefits come in loot boxes that people have spent hundreds on trying to get something rare. Their system is beyond sad, tremendously greedy and simply gets old; all while EME calls players "spoiled" and tells them they don't even want to bother with a Community Manager, because Tera players simply don't deserve one.

@Maldicion159 said:
I predict AIR will fail at launch and that it will nobody will care to res it

No, it will have somewhat of a life seeing as everyone wants to try something new. BHS will put everything into AIR and will be doing everything they can to force Tera players over to their new game. This latest gear revamp along with the advanced HO gear will let them milk a bit more money from Tera players, but even long-term players are getting burned out from the constant grinding and new higher level gear. BHS stating they are going to start making stuff easier is a joke and timed perfectly to sell max amount of mat boxes.

@PP597W94LA said:
There are several channel on youtube that has contract with en masse she is giving code every month.

some of them get 2 code one gets with them and the other they donate randomly.

This is beyond ridiculous. They can't be bothered to deal with their own players yet we're supposed to search far and wide for a code here or there. Doesn't matter anyways seeing as after Sean was hired, they no longer put anything permanent in the codes.

I think the main problem is that anyone thinks EME or BHS even care anymore. They are just milking the spit out of Tera until AIR comes out. No doubt the update team is working on Tera as they have nothing else to do yet and need to milk it as much as they can while they can. Everything they are doing now is to maximize cash flow, and as the release of AIR approaches, it will only get worse.

Obviously, EME knows something we don't know, which is why they aren't even bothering with a community team anymore. Why bother with a community team when you know it won't matter anyways. Surely, BHS isn't going to hire a new update team for AIR, so who will be working on Tera? No one.

A bit harsh, but when you think of how EME manipulated those with gambling addictions, kind of puts it in perspective.

I think PVP is really dead in this game, because it is just broken af and not sustainable anymore. The classes are too specialized and focused now to have a level pvp playing field.

@MargaretRose said:
Must be a feature.
Perhaps that information will be in a loot box in the future
Chuckle

Even if it were, you'd still only get lousy meta tokens. I don't see any message on the forum, so I gather it was yesterday. I keep meaning to log in to buy more loot boxes for more fodder for my posts, but for some reason, I just can't get up enough motivation to do so.

@Aluh said:
it's not eme's decision but they can pass on to BHS and hopefully we get it eventually.

Yeah, by "they" I mean BHS. EME doesn't care enough and BHS won't change it seeing as they made all of that NOT tradable for a reason.

@TJKat said:

@allofspaceandtime said:

@Fainall said:

@Christin said:

@allofspaceandtime said:

@Christin said:

@allofspaceandtime said:
you can also get free mounts through achievements like sparky and the black panther mounts are easy to get and also lumbertown sells the other horse mounts in the stable.

From what I've heard, the quests to get the black panther are tedious. The temp Sparky lasts less than a month, and from my memories the permanent one is through more achievements. Just because you can get some slow mounts by working for them doesn't negate the fact that Tera's mounts are ridiculously expensive and simply not worth the cash. You get a free flying mount, but it's not that great looking and people like to have different mounts.

The easiest way to get a mount is to fish on more than one account and save up gold. Depending on how many accounts you have (you can log into 5 through the launcher) it may take you a few weeks or so. Really, unless you have cash to burn or love running dungeons, it's probably best to move on. I mean what's the point in buying a mount or cosmetics for a game you're just afk fishing in anyways? You can also do Vanguards, but those really only give good gold if you have some alts to farm those with.

sparky is listed as a tempory mount but it doesn't go away. ive had mine for years. the black panther is a little tedious, but they are free, and Sheldon only costs like 10k gold

Maybe if you leave it in your bar, but mine went away, so not sure how that works. Either way, they are seriously slow mounts and not much better than the free horse mount already given. I surely wouldn't put them up to justify the horrific prices EME asks for mounts in the shop. You have to pay thirty bucks just to get a flying mount. You can play a lot of other games out there with a longer lifespan left to them and get more for $30 than you can here. That's for sure.

There are two achievements that give Sparky, one is temp one is permanent.

the sparky mounts I have were the ones where you go to every city and town and the monuments and I have had them for years now

Which is how you get the permanent one. Christin likely only got the temp one you get for picking up 500 uncommon, 300 rare, and 100 superior drops.

Yeah, I had already mentioned that the temp one lasts less than a month and the permanent one needs more achievements to get. I never bothered with the achievement for the permanent one, because it's just another slow af mount.

IMO EME is just hurting themselves with their greed. A lot of people install cause it's a free game and uninstall once they look at the store and broker. Too late to change it now.

@AbstractCH said:
I loved this game with all of my heart for so many years, it's really sad to see it start to fail. I quit about a year ago, the game began to feel stale and just not like the same game it used to be. I don't really plan on returning ever since it starts to grow older and older, it probably won't ever feel the same as it used to. Really a shame, Tera was one of the best MMOs ever relased in my opinion. I still have a love for it and it makes me really sad to see it go down such a bad path. God I loved this game so much, I wish it the best.

I didn't play for a year over that Xingcode mess, but I really only came back because of fishing. I guess once I realized there was no reason to keep logging into a game I was just afking in to buy stuff that really didn't even have any in game value, even fishing seems pointless. I used to do the flying guardian quests at least, but then, they messed the legion missions all up and ruined that. Heaven forbid people make some decent gold while actually playing the game.

They won't, because the whole point of the new partner system was to get YOU to buy EMP to fund your new partners. They already get plenty of cash from the usual EMP buyers, but this system was specifically designed to get MORE players to buy EMP rather than just more EMP sold. The thought is that once you start pumping your own cash into the game, you'll be invested in its future.

I've been dumping gold into lootboxes from the broker, and I can seriously state they are a huge waste of time and money. I've really never played a game selling gamble boxes with such junk in them let alone have the rate at which you can get a decent item be so low.

@SageWindu said:

@counterpoint said:
In general given all the changes over the last few years, I've come to the conclusion that more players prefer playing mains than having alts -- I'm just not in that group myself.

I would argue that's because of recent updates that made playing multiple characters "full-time" infeasible. Before the Arsenal update, most people had 5+ alts (at least in my XP) max level and in +12 mid-tier equipment. All one needed was some spare time and luck.

Once the Arsenal patch dropped, "altaholics" were hit hard. Upgrading was made more difficult due to several factors, the biggest of which I remember being a lack of mat drops (remember all those threads about talents?). So most people with a ton of alts had to make the decision of stagnating themselves (if they didn't like playing a single character long-term, one of which I know personally) or grind their socks doing mundane challenges to make sure all their character could keep up with the game's ever-increasing demands.

@SageWindu said:

@counterpoint said:
In general given all the changes over the last few years, I've come to the conclusion that more players prefer playing mains than having alts -- I'm just not in that group myself.

I would argue that's because of recent updates that made playing multiple characters "full-time" infeasible. Before the Arsenal update, most people had 5+ alts (at least in my XP) max level and in +12 mid-tier equipment. All one needed was some spare time and luck.

Once the Arsenal patch dropped, "altaholics" were hit hard. Upgrading was made more difficult due to several factors, the biggest of which I remember being a lack of mat drops (remember all those threads about talents?). So most people with a ton of alts had to make the decision of stagnating themselves (if they didn't like playing a single character long-term, one of which I know personally) or grind their socks doing mundane challenges to make sure all their character could keep up with the game's ever-increasing demands.

Yes, and many of us "altaholics" have no interest in gearing up only a main while leaving the others behind. Therefore, many of us simply ignored leveling or gearing up altogether. If fishing was never added, I doubt most of the players would even bother logging in. Great for people that want gold without actually playing yet bad for a game trying to get dungeons populated.

@allofspaceandtime said:

@Christin said:

@allofspaceandtime said:

@Christin said:

@allofspaceandtime said:
you can also get free mounts through achievements like sparky and the black panther mounts are easy to get and also lumbertown sells the other horse mounts in the stable.

From what I've heard, the quests to get the black panther are tedious. The temp Sparky lasts less than a month, and from my memories the permanent one is through more achievements. Just because you can get some slow mounts by working for them doesn't negate the fact that Tera's mounts are ridiculously expensive and simply not worth the cash. You get a free flying mount, but it's not that great looking and people like to have different mounts.

The easiest way to get a mount is to fish on more than one account and save up gold. Depending on how many accounts you have (you can log into 5 through the launcher) it may take you a few weeks or so. Really, unless you have cash to burn or love running dungeons, it's probably best to move on. I mean what's the point in buying a mount or cosmetics for a game you're just afk fishing in anyways? You can also do Vanguards, but those really only give good gold if you have some alts to farm those with.

sparky is listed as a tempory mount but it doesn't go away. ive had mine for years. the black panther is a little tedious, but they are free, and Sheldon only costs like 10k gold

Maybe if you leave it in your bar, but mine went away, so not sure how that works. Either way, they are seriously slow mounts and not much better than the free horse mount already given. I surely wouldn't put them up to justify the horrific prices EME asks for mounts in the shop. You have to pay thirty bucks just to get a flying mount. You can play a lot of other games out there with a longer lifespan left to them and get more for $30 than you can here. That's for sure.

im not justifying the crazy cost of the mounts, I was just adding to what counterpoint said about getting free to low cost mounts. im thankful I got my account bound flying dragons when they first came out. I could justify the cost of those, but I cant wrap my head around paying more than the cost of an account bound mount for a character bound one. the only reason games can do this is because people buy the over priced stuff. just look at the new modern warfare 300 dollar characters.

Tera simply isn't in the same league, and you're talking about a character versus a mount. Don't really even think Tera was in the same league when it came out, so maybe not a great comparison. I get what you mean though. I didn't buy the account dragon but did get a piggy. Now, I wouldn't waste the cash, because the game is no longer alt friendly. I've dumped cash into games before and still play a game that I have dumped about a grand into so far. Since I have played Tera, I have spent I doubt even $150. I spent a chunk in the beginning, but for some reason, Tera never made me even want to throw my money at it. It just never seemed like a good investment to me, and the loot boxes are a total turn off. What isn't in a lootbox is ridiculously expensive. I like fashion, but this game never offered enough to get me seriously invested.

@kori83 said:

@Maldicion159 said:

Now that I've been gifted level 70 there is very little incentive for me to dungeons anymore. If I want skill experience I do caiman. I don't see plates dropping at all in dungeons...so it's pretty much pointless.

I'm going to go back to the OP's topic - cuz I feel like i'm one of those "stuck in the middle" . I dont know about moving forwards, or backwards. So, I'm just waiting.
Waiting for the next Enchanting Event. No motivation to grind, to do dungeons, to do anything in game really. I used to log in 3 or 4x a week - now, it's like reduced to twice.
I'm partially HO geared (thanks to the last Enchanting Event).
Stormcry now being much easier to enchant (which means soon everyone will have a full SC set, making it - and everything below - worthless).
Same thing with the new Blue gear - it's practically handed to people now.

I have a feeling most people are just waiting until the next server merge or something else big happens that forces people to log in. Suppose you can always wait to see how the next HO advancing gear works. They'll have to do something big now that they've sold away the ability to enchant gear. Although it was finally nice to see people actually be able to enchant their gear. Personally, I am taking a total break and just blowing the last of my gold on lootboxes just to thank the lord I didn't actually spend any cash on them. Black Friday was a great wakeup call though.

Waiting is probably the best thing. They'll get a bump of traffic for a bit over the holidays, and then, it will be a ghost town again. Of course in order for anyone to care about the HO advanced gear, it will have to be better than the gold stuff, so that will be interesting. The only other thing I can think of is for them to come out with dungeons or something requiring magic or physical gear. Oh well, no doubt it will be something to annoy the masses.

@allofspaceandtime said:

@Christin said:

@allofspaceandtime said:
you can also get free mounts through achievements like sparky and the black panther mounts are easy to get and also lumbertown sells the other horse mounts in the stable.

From what I've heard, the quests to get the black panther are tedious. The temp Sparky lasts less than a month, and from my memories the permanent one is through more achievements. Just because you can get some slow mounts by working for them doesn't negate the fact that Tera's mounts are ridiculously expensive and simply not worth the cash. You get a free flying mount, but it's not that great looking and people like to have different mounts.

The easiest way to get a mount is to fish on more than one account and save up gold. Depending on how many accounts you have (you can log into 5 through the launcher) it may take you a few weeks or so. Really, unless you have cash to burn or love running dungeons, it's probably best to move on. I mean what's the point in buying a mount or cosmetics for a game you're just afk fishing in anyways? You can also do Vanguards, but those really only give good gold if you have some alts to farm those with.

sparky is listed as a tempory mount but it doesn't go away. ive had mine for years. the black panther is a little tedious, but they are free, and Sheldon only costs like 10k gold

Maybe if you leave it in your bar, but mine went away, so not sure how that works. Either way, they are seriously slow mounts and not much better than the free horse mount already given. I surely wouldn't put them up to justify the horrific prices EME asks for mounts in the shop. You have to pay thirty bucks just to get a flying mount. You can play a lot of other games out there with a longer lifespan left to them and get more for $30 than you can here. That's for sure.

@allofspaceandtime said:
you can also get free mounts through achievements like sparky and the black panther mounts are easy to get and also lumbertown sells the other horse mounts in the stable.

From what I've heard, the quests to get the black panther are tedious. The temp Sparky lasts less than a month, and from my memories the permanent one is through more achievements. Just because you can get some slow mounts by working for them doesn't negate the fact that Tera's mounts are ridiculously expensive and simply not worth the cash. You get a free flying mount, but it's not that great looking and people like to have different mounts.

The easiest way to get a mount is to fish on more than one account and save up gold. Depending on how many accounts you have (you can log into 5 through the launcher) it may take you a few weeks or so. Really, unless you have cash to burn or love running dungeons, it's probably best to move on. I mean what's the point in buying a mount or cosmetics for a game you're just afk fishing in anyways? You can also do Vanguards, but those really only give good gold if you have some alts to farm those with.

@counterpoint said:

@Christin said:

@counterpoint said:

@Christin said:
You're not the only one feeling like this, and there are plenty of other players that most likely have spent their last dime on this game. From players that bought $250 for a mount that ended up getting dumped on broker [...]

You've mentioned this in a bunch of threads now, but FWIW, people spent $250 to get 35000 EMP and as a bonus they got a dyeable outfit and a rare mount. No one should have thought the mount or the outfit would be "worth $250" -- they still have the $250 worth of EMP to spend on whatever they want.

The argument about lootboxes I totally understand (as mentioned above), but this one is just some weird sort of misunderstanding if people are actually upset about this.

Actually, it was a big selling point for that huge pack to get a an exclusive mount. Yeah, you can buy a lot smaller pack of EMP and still have the EMP, so to say "Well, they still got the EMP." is a bit cold-hearted. Are you seriously sitting there saying everyone bought $250 worth of EMP just for the EMP? Yeah, and the mount turned out to be dumped all over the broker along with that dyeable outfit. Everyone knew the outfit wasn't going to keep its value, but to have the mounts drop like that is ridiculous. Just another perfect example of how little EME really cares about the players that they let something some people paid big bucks for just tank on the broker. Your defense of that really doesn't help much.

They were literally "gifts with purchase" -- they're bonus items.

Besides, what exactly do you expect them to do to make sure the mount "retains its value on the broker"? They're still exclusive to that bundle. What people are selling them for is a reflection of how desirable they are to other players, and the apparent fact that more people bought the $250 bundle without caring about the mount than you seemingly hoped. Are you saying they should have given people less of a reason to want to buy EMP so that the mounts would remain more rare to the people who bought it, and thus more desirable?

Again, there is so much legitimately wrong to complain about... I don't know why this is taken as a sign of the end-times in the midst of everything else. It makes no sense.

Once again you just twist everything and then add in some random point to deflect the real issue(less of a reason to buy? smh). I'll be sure to tell the people that feel burned by the entire Black Friday event that they should just stfu, because you feel they have nothing legitimately to complain about. Just wow. You act like this to so many people on here yet if anyone posts anything about you, you label it as a "personal attack". Oh, the irony of it all.

TBH, I don't really care what they do anymore. The smartest thing they could have done would have been to buy up those mounts, so they wouldn't have dropped to be utterly worthless. Of course, they don't do that, because they can't even stand to play their own game let alone log on to buy up some mounts so people that spent a lot of money on them don't feel like a bunch of fools, but who cares. They spent money on this game, so yeah, they should feel like a bunch of fools right? On one hand you say that people that spend money are supporting the game, but on the other hand it's alright if they end up regretting it within hours of their purchase. Whatever. You and the other brain surgeons at EME seems to know everything anyways. You all have done such a great job so far that as soon as summer was over, the pvp server became dead and new players constantly complain on the pve server that dungeons won't pop. Yeah, applauds all around! Certainly whatever you're doing is working out really great!

Well, moving on now. Not even going to bother to comment on the other threads as it's obvious nothing ever goes anywhere anyways. You simply placate everyone on here and then proceed to explain to them why their complaint or issue isn't really BHS or EME's fault at all. Same rhetoric, different day.

@counterpoint said:

@Christin said:
Even BHS released their latest statement about making the game easier when all they wanted to do was create a bunch of new level 70 players to scarf up loot boxes.

IMO, the level 70 grind should never have been as extreme as it was in the first place anyway, as it actively turned away people from playing the game due to not being seen as worth the effort (and for the way to put in the effort being boring as sin). So I think for them to lower this bar and make it easier for people to get to 70 should be applauded, and it has been a long time in coming. I don't like the increased emphasis on selling progression-impacting consumables in this game, but the fact that they were walling people off from wanting to purchase them is mostly evidence that the endless grind was counterproductive even to their own business model, so never made any sense. (I also think it was counterproductive to their prior business model of encouraging people to make more alts, which is another story.)

At the end of the day, they need to keep people playing the game first. If people are playing the game, they might want to spend money. But if people stop playing the game, they won't spend anything. The broken grind of gearing/enchanting is the next thing they need to target -- the message says that they'll be easing it in time, and we should hold them to that. Even if they insist on selling items on the cash shop, the way to earn in-game should be fair and balanced so that -- again -- people will want to play the game.

In the end, you can get so wrapped up in endless cynicism that you risk losing sight of the thing we want out of this: a F2P game that's fun to play for as many as possible without being forced/coerced to spend any money (but people still feel encouraged/happy to do so, since that does keep the game alive).

Then ask yourself this: Why did they wait until right before Black Friday to make such a change? Because your defense of the way they act is getting really irritating. You know as well as everyone else that hangs out on these forums that both BHS and EME were well aware of the fact that almost everyone thought the level 70 grind was beyond acceptable. Numerous players have already left due to the extreme grind. However, they waited (how long?) before doing this supposed change of heart. No, don't even tell me that they did it for the players, because no, they didn't. They did it for their little sale so they could time it perfectly to make the biggest buck they could. Yeah, games should be fun, but who is really having any fun on this game? Who? People sit on Tera afk fishing, or grinding, or throwing their cash at the game so they can max their gear to move onto something else that is fun. Seriously, why is this so hard to admit?

Maybe I would have believed they did it for the love of the players if they had made this change at least a few months ago. However, their timing was way too obvious. They changed the XP required to make a whole bunch of new higher leveled players then drop boxes in the shop that give enchanting materials and wish boxes that give more gear. All of us on Friday saw the +12, +13, +14 and so on announcements right after people started opening those jagged boxes. Yeah, they didn't do it for the love of the players, they did it for quick cash.

In the end, you can get so wrapped up in defending a company that you simply can't see what is right in front of you. Sorry, but I am getting a bit tired of being treated like a child and constantly typed down to as though I simply don't have any idea of what is really going on. And you know what, the only thing they are doing is ensuring their game crumbles faster than it would on its own. Now, people were handed higher levels, they could pay to enchant their gear, so now, why even bother anymore? They didn't do the grind, so they most likely won't bother with the dungeons and all of that other stuff. They'll play around in their maxed gear for a week or two, get tired of it and move on. All EME really did was end the game sooner for them. The only thing that will save what has been done is if the gear that works off of HO is way better than the new gear, which is only going to make a bunch of people angry. However, that's really the only way. So, it's going to be more of a grind until boxes for a quick fix are released again. An endless cycle that you call "fun".

@Rubberkitten said:
Enmasse charges 3995 EMP when its not on sale!? Thats $40 f*****g dollars.

So its on sale for 1997 EMP. Thats $20 plus you get left over, useless, extra EMP sitting there, no way to use them up. I made a YouTube video explaining about that, and how much I hate game developer companies do that.

Guild Wars 2 has MC but its balanced, and for mounts its no more than $20-25 without any sale.

Enmasse emailed me and told me to take it to the Forums, which basically means "We dont want to hear about it, or read it." I told them fk that st, dont tell me where to post my problem when you wont read it.

Enmasse feels like EA, Activision, and Bethesda.

I wouldnt mind buying cosmetic micro transactions but they charge way too much. I highly doubt they will read this since its tasty money they want. If the prices were lower, i wouldnt mind buying the mounts. [filtered] loot boxes though. I would never support loot boxes even if a Game Company were to pay me.

If Enmasse lowers their EMP cost for these micro transactions, i wouldnt mind a lil support but i wouldnt want to spend $40 on 1 mount.

Enmasse, change it dammit....

This game has always been terribly greedy and most of us just reap the rewards of the ignorant by allowing others to throw their cash at the game while buying stuff up in the broker for next to nothing. People defend it like crazy, but really, the game isn't worth throwing your cash at anymore. It's already down to 2 servers with one server pretty much dead. They (Krafton) is already working on another game and will no doubt use that to replace Tera. Surely their update teams won't be working on two games at the same time, so yeah, it's simply not worth the expense.

@counterpoint said:

@Christin said:
You're not the only one feeling like this, and there are plenty of other players that most likely have spent their last dime on this game. From players that bought $250 for a mount that ended up getting dumped on broker [...]

You've mentioned this in a bunch of threads now, but FWIW, people spent $250 to get 35000 EMP and as a bonus they got a dyeable outfit and a rare mount. No one should have thought the mount or the outfit would be "worth $250" -- they still have the $250 worth of EMP to spend on whatever they want.

The argument about lootboxes I totally understand (as mentioned above), but this one is just some weird sort of misunderstanding if people are actually upset about this.

Actually, it was a big selling point for that huge pack to get a an exclusive mount. Yeah, you can buy a lot smaller pack of EMP and still have the EMP, so to say "Well, they still got the EMP." is a bit cold-hearted. Are you seriously sitting there saying everyone bought $250 worth of EMP just for the EMP? Yeah, and the mount turned out to be dumped all over the broker along with that dyeable outfit. Everyone knew the outfit wasn't going to keep its value, but to have the mounts drop like that is ridiculous. Just another perfect example of how little EME really cares about the players that they let something some people paid big bucks for just tank on the broker. Your defense of that really doesn't help much.

@Maldicion159 said:

@Christin said:
Like I stated in another comment, they deliberately threw you to 70 to get you to go crazy this weekend to gear up. People that don't want to grind caimen surely aren't going to want to grind for gear. How long ago was the new gear introduced? I am too lazy to look, but whatever the time, just know that will most likely be the cutoff for grinders from now on.

Caimen would be fine if they upped the rates so that portals popped as frequently as they did when you could raid it. That was cash. It even felt great because even though it was a grind you had a hoard of people grinding beside you. It just isn't fun grinding for a half an hour or more to have nothing to show for it. Back when it was raided you could depend on one showing up every 10 to 20 minutes. It wouldn't make sense so much to make it raidable again because fewer people need to Cai, but having the rate be similar would help a lot.

I've stated this numerous times, and if you've played this game long enough, you should know by now that there is a specific pattern to how all of this works. People scoff and players like me that don't take the bait and bust a gut to level up or grind for new gear. A lot of us don't, because after we did it a few times, we realized that the grind just never ends. I think even we're starting to realize that even by grinding for cosmetics is still taking the bait. At least I have. So many worked so hard to get the latest or whatever cosmetics and mounts only to have them just turn into nothing. I know a few people that bought the large pack thinking those mounts would be rare, but they didn't know that those wish boxes were what everyone wanted. So, no doubt EMP prices have tanked, because everyone with better RNG feels somewhat desperate to dump the EMP they have leftover. I mean they were lowering the prices of the new celestial mounts so fast I thought they were going to start giving them away.

I get the fashionistas are keen on having whatever is in vogue at the given moment while still maintaining exclusivity. Maybe TERA has fallen behind in the wardrobe department, I wouldn't know about any of that because I try to avoid that part of the game as best as I can. I do think it's a good way to make money, even if EME's implementation falls short on RNG.

If EME wants people to continue paying for elite they would actually need to ensure that decent new content is provided. I understand that they more or less have a one way relationship with Blueholes and also that may be starting to improve in lieu of the recent surveys.
Once new content is being provided I believe it would be in the best interest of giving Elite Status value, to give Elites a period to TRIAL the new content for 3 days before it is released to us plebs. If a new dungeon is made then it would great for everyone if people dedicated to the game enough to pay for it could go ahead and learn its mechanics. Without getting the mats or anything else except maybe the normal Vanguard Gold reward for completing a dungeon.

Why do you try so hard? I think you missed most of the point. Either way, you now decide on whether you want to grind for gear to match your new level, pay for gear to match your new level or leave. It's not complicated. Most of the stuff you mention on trying to improve the game will never happen, because they simply don't care. Even BHS released their latest statement about making the game easier when all they wanted to do was create a bunch of new level 70 players to scarf up loot boxes. The players are getting played and have been for many years. So, sorry, but trying to make a game better would best be suited for devs and publishers that actually want to make their game better. That isn't the case with Tera.

@Terraforming said:
I opened 48 Emulator lootboxes (5300 EMP worth) and all I have to show for it are completely useless Metamorphic Emblems (why is this even in the prize pool?). Why is there no transparency regarding the odds with these boxes? Seriously this Black Friday "sale" feels more like a Black Friday SCAM.

You're not the only one feeling like this, and there are plenty of other players that most likely have spent their last dime on this game. From players that bought $250 for a mount that ended up getting dumped on broker to players that were destroyed by rng only to see lucky players cash out. Not only do I feel bad for all of the above, but if you saw how fast people were enchanting gear on Friday, you'd feel bad for all of those that wasted time grinding to enchant their gear only to see people throw cash and level up their gear in a day (no joke). Personally, just tired of seeing so many others take the bait in a game that doesn't have much of a future anyways. Lets face it, as soon as AIR gets released, BHS will most likely stop updating Tera in order to force current Tera players over to the new game. So, why even bother anymore when all most of us did was fish anyways? Now, that is even a waste when you fish and fish only to waste your entire gold stash on something that turns out to be absolutely worthless. Not much point to even bother after that.

Well, just wait, because no doubt more P2W items are on the way. I predict revamped partner system or next tier of partners with level IV or V abilities and new mounts that give magic or physical amplification.

Like I stated in another comment, they deliberately threw you to 70 to get you to go crazy this weekend to gear up. People that don't want to grind caimen surely aren't going to want to grind for gear. How long ago was the new gear introduced? I am too lazy to look, but whatever the time, just know that will most likely be the cutoff for grinders from now on.

I've stated this numerous times, and if you've played this game long enough, you should know by now that there is a specific pattern to how all of this works. People scoff and players like me that don't take the bait and bust a gut to level up or grind for new gear. A lot of us don't, because after we did it a few times, we realized that the grind just never ends. I think even we're starting to realize that even by grinding for cosmetics is still taking the bait. At least I have. So many worked so hard to get the latest or whatever cosmetics and mounts only to have them just turn into nothing. I know a few people that bought the large pack thinking those mounts would be rare, but they didn't know that those wish boxes were what everyone wanted. So, no doubt EMP prices have tanked, because everyone with better RNG feels somewhat desperate to dump the EMP they have leftover. I mean they were lowering the prices of the new celestial mounts so fast I thought they were going to start giving them away.

Well, it's a free game and TBH, I really don't think BHS or EME care if people get annoyed and leave, because there will always be new players to replace them. If they did, they wouldn't keep on with the same system over and over again. New gear tough to get and beyond expensive to enchant, every few months a bit easier to enchant and a bit easier to get, after 6 months or so, come out with P2W option and let players through cash to get or enchant along with lowering XP requirements to increase population desperate for fast enchantment. I mean there was a reason they lowered the XP requirement to get to 70. It's not because they care, it's because they wanted more people to throw money at them this weekend. The timing couldn't be more obvious, and how long does it take people to realize that they are totally getting played? They are coming out with the levels higher than HO and the next step will be a whole new system or up to 75 or whatever. It will just never end, because as soon as they stop with this current system, their money source ends.

@LiamDahvis said:

@Christin said:
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Maybe, but no interest in starting again. Sure Gameforge may have more players, but it's still on the same lifeline that EME Tera is. It's like jumping off a sinking ship only to swim over to another sinking ship with a smaller hole. Plus, EME has been doing a lot better lately IMO. The updates that make people want to leave EME Tera are still similar updates that will make people want to leave Gameforge Tera. A few things may be different, but all in all, it's still the same game. Props to the EME team IMO, because they've been bringing out new stuff and making changes. Most of the stuff making everyone so mad are just BHS updates that EME hasn't totally revamped like Gameforge has. However, no doubt Gameforge will stop doing so much adjusting over time as they get other, more popular games.

If you say so. Meanwhile I'm in full gold gear over there all plus 7 and while I know it's not the max it's better than what's going on here lawl. Considering eu actually gives out the mats you need.

Well, if EME actually gave out the mats people needed, they wouldn't be able to cash in on rng mat boxes and all that later on.

I feel the sorriest for the people that spent $250 for an exclusive mount only to see it dumped for a few hundred k gold on the broker. Or how about the people that spent 1.5 million gold for a dyeable summersilk robe only to see them now getting dumped like trash. I think this whole black friday sale really put this game into perspective.

Just think of it this way, once you get to the end, what else is there? Don't worry, no doubt they will keep cashing in on those Perfect Wish Boxes and find many more excuses to bring them out. Gamblers are weak and will go broke in the end, which is why games love the rngfest.

Oh well, good luck. Hopefully, you won't have regrets when it's all done.

@LiamDahvis said:

@Maulclaw said:
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But it's Gameforge, though. They're a terrible company.

Not horrible at all. They answer my support tickets within hours. They host community events give out codes in streams and listen to the players. Maybe once they were bad but I couldn't be happier with them now.

Maybe, but no interest in starting again. Sure Gameforge may have more players, but it's still on the same lifeline that EME Tera is. It's like jumping off a sinking ship only to swim over to another sinking ship with a smaller hole. Plus, EME has been doing a lot better lately IMO. The updates that make people want to leave EME Tera are still similar updates that will make people want to leave Gameforge Tera. A few things may be different, but all in all, it's still the same game. Props to the EME team IMO, because they've been bringing out new stuff and making changes. Most of the stuff making everyone so mad are just BHS updates that EME hasn't totally revamped like Gameforge has. However, no doubt Gameforge will stop doing so much adjusting over time as they get other, more popular games.

@BigL23187 said:
I see someone on global saying they are selling 3.8million in gold and to PM him. Im assuming they want real cash collected through an outside source. I won't name the person but he is well known by the player counsel. So that must be ok. Otherwise I think a mod would have said something.
It was in global for everybody to see. If you're worried about a ban it looks like just don't by from and outside source, just stick to people who play the game.

Personally, I am so happy that EME does not and will not allow gold selling. All it leads to is loads of hacking. Runescape pretty much allows it, so they even need to put extra security systems in place to combat account stealing. I was told by a customer service rep over there that the only way to avoid getting hacked is using those systems as hackers had numerous ways of getting into other accounts. They even had to change their security over to another program, because hackers had a way to go through their first system.

The only way to stop the silly bots in Velika is to raise the level for trade and area chat to 20 like they have for global. It wouldn't stop them, but at least it would be somewhat more of a deterrent. And maybe even BHS could have some ingame report system that autobanned chat until review or have some people that play often be moderators that could chat ban people while in game. You have to find really invested players though that are on a lot and only allow them to ban for gold selling or other serious chat abuse.

@fromsector7 said:
if the quest bores you to get apex ... the quest of lv68 in the new area is MORE boring.

pd: this game is not for people who get bored fast

It isn't boring, but I don't get why they would waste so much of even their time to make the quest so repetitive and mundane in order to just give us a few additional skills. It's just a weird use of resources, and if Olivung's quests are going to be pretty much worthless, don't make players do them in order to advance.

So toons that started with guardian and completed the banquet quest up until they got twistshard will no longer get scrolls to enchant the twistshard up to frostmetal? Just confused as I know twistshard and bellum jewelry are now sold by the Vanguard Merchant. However, scrolls are no longer given for the Olivung questline. Is that a mistake or have I missed something? After completing the Apex questline, we get frostmetal enchant scrolls to get to Frost +3, but that only works on frostmetal gear and weapon. I should maybe start a toon from scratch to see all what they get, but I thought everyone doing the full banquet questline was to get gear up to the +3 frostmetal. I am mainly wondering about all of my alts as I don't want to do anything more with them until it works out. Spent so much time questing and didn't get much out of it at all. The rewards for these beyond boring and mundane quests are just silly. From Olivung's quests forward, you literally get 3 emeralds, 10 rubies, a bit of gold 3 Apex skills as 1 is literally useless along with 5 glyph points. We barely even get any xp for it all.

The banquet questline alone is enough to put people off on this game. I really had no idea how flipping ridiculous it was until last night. A lot makes sense now, and I wonder how many players just abandoned it and left.

Is this permanent or temporary?

@TJKat said:

@counterpoint said:
So it's not "incompetence of an employee" -- there is no employee.

You can still argue employee incompetence since someone made the incompetent decision to scrap the community team.

EME definitely needs new management. Any manager still putting in as many man hours to rework and look over the updates along with installing the updates and updating the shop is crazy to then end up giving a middle finger to the forum and other social media sites. It would literally take less than 30 minutes a day to check the forum for issues or whatever. They still have someone posting updates on Twitter and Facebook, so there is someone out there posting some information.

I guess since they don't want to bother with the forums, move your complaints and feedback or whatever to Facebook and Twitter so everyone can see it. I recently joined Reddit, so there is another site to get stuff out there. Why keep everything hidden in the forums anyways?

Better get used to it, because in a year or so, they will have a whole new system of gear. They just can't help themselves.

Don't do stuff that gives tokens away then. Pretty simple IMO. You argue that lower stat stuff is useless, but at least now new players can afford somewhat decent inners where they couldn't before. The real issue is that too many people are doing Ghillieglade now for mystery merchant coins which is causing a flood of inners to hit the market each day. You're not doing the Ghillie for Goldfinger tokens anyways, so why should they amp up the rates?

The new inners are mainly for the higher level toons that already had their high level inners, so no, the inner lootboxes aren't really affecting Goldinger sales at all nor is it what is causing Goldfinger inners to be worthless. The only thing changing the rng will do is flood the broker with higher stat inners that will work their way to become as cheap as the lower rate inners. So, having an rng change is the last thing anyone should be thinking about doing. Maybe what they should think about doing is lowering the rate at which Goldfinger tokens even drop seeing as people are spamming Ghiilie so much for mystery tokens now. Otherwise, let new players have their practically free inners. At least some new players are benefiting in some way from all of the latest updates, because they sure aren't benefiting in many other ways.

More fun stuffs and less everything for new island. Oh, and maybe stop flooding the system with gold, because everything is over a million gold now. After the new gear came out, gold has been flooding the brokerage. New players have no hope to buy much if anything. Barely any flying mounts besides Lenox, only a few pages of pets, not even a page of weapon skins. Yeah, it's slim pickings these days.

Yeah, most players just want to have fun, and lately, everything really has been for the extreme end gamers. Granted, there are a lot of extreme end gamers out there, but the majority of players are casual players that see this game as an endless grind. No doubt they are simply overwhelmed even if they get to 65 and call it quits. I think if I had started recently, I would just move on to. That entire card system is ridiculous along with experience points, item xp, partners, and all of the rest of that nonsense. Having level 68 gear (no matter if it's good or not) be 250g is just so beyond pathetic and sad. New players try to buy needed weapons and see a flood of 68 gear sold as though it is trash. How did Krafton not know that this is how it was going to be? Gear is still sellable even though they acted as though the new update was going to solve the problem of players just buying their way through everything. They made it seem like players were going to have to grind for their own gear. So, really nothing has changed except that the green gear is thrown around like trash, and soon, the blue gear will follow. Just shocking really.

@Anung said:

@Christin said:
They are already working on A:IR so why on Earth would they be working on a Tera 2 when that is pretty much exactly what A:IR is.

Because A:ir looks like a game from 1995 with a graphics mod, I'm not an expert, but I can say that the game wont be successful as some people think.

I totally agree with you. Plus, the goal is to work for gear and house stuff so there's that. I'll probably try it out if it works on my system, but yeah, working for furniture just doesn't seem to be super fun.

Either way, it's what they are working on. And, if it does fail, I doubt they'll turn their attention to a Tera 2.

They really do need to open up everything to all classes. It's sad seeing just a few races be able to use the latest classes.

Heard the same over 6 months ago and no release on Krafton's side yet. It doesn't matter much to me, but it would be nice to be allowed 24 slots to finish up my third page of toons.

@JRHY7R47MP said:
You are all just a bunch of lazy people, farming some dungeons to get scales + caiman for one hour (with elite) is enough to lvl a lot in a day and lvling doesn't really get annoying till you start doing it with alts but if you get bored or annoyed on your main character... well you won't be able to handle what you've to do after because when you start needing to farm for your gear then gold and materials just to try and fail really often in any part you're enchanting is when the game start getting stressing and "hard". The spawn rate of the portals being too low was understandable when people was complaining but this event scroll is just good enough to help anyone lvl faster, just stop being so lazy because as i said it just get harder and not easier after reaching 70.

Yes! I am a lazy flip. I am a lazy flip with 22 toons that I have absolutely no interest in grinding for. I am even too lazy to grind for my main. I play this game to have fun and buying clothes, pets and mounts is way more fun than wasting my gold on gear. They keep changing the gear around anyways. In a year or so , they will come out with a whole new system (knowing Krafton) and I will have saved so much time. I know Krafton is really trying to get players like me to level up with their events, but yeah, Imma just go over here and fish.

This scales event is really just another way to make people grind away. I will grind to do fun stuff like Guordo hunt or even cannons if they had decent prizes, however, farming dungeons just isn't fun for many players nor is caimen farming. We'll just hang out until Krafton gets desperate enough to let us level up with fun stuff.

Yeah, enough with the dang RNG. That way those of us deliberately not upgrading due to RNG will no longer have an excuse. There are just many players that have no interest in losing or being punished by failures or level cuts with the current system. I've even dumped working on my partners due to the awful RNG. Just tired of it being a part in everything.

They are already working on A:IR so why on Earth would they be working on a Tera 2 when that is pretty much exactly what A:IR is.

@counterpoint said:

@TJKat said:
Doesn't look like you get 1000 EMP for logging in today. Wording sounds more like you'll get a total of 1000EMP if you log in every day between Nov. 9 and Nov. 28. I definitely didn't get 1000 EMP today, but it was more than 30EMP. Should work out to about 400EMP today?

Yeah I think this is what we figured out. It's 30 per day, and 400 today so that it adds up to 1000 over the period. (Basically, 30 EMP for 20 days = 600 + 400 one-time gift = 1000.)

And yeah, this is one of those things that got posted on the EME news page and didn't make it to the regular news feeds, so a lot of us were noticing it for the first time today. We definitely passed that feedback along as well.

Sometimes, I wonder if EME even cares who all knows what's going on. Oh well, nice to know lots of people missed out on 400 free EMP. So nice of them.

Each scroll will get me a whole 2 millimeters worth of XP. Yeah, just not really bothering with the whole scale event. It sounds like more of a grind than grinding caimen.

So many people have loads of keys. It was such a failure and those caimen are a nightmare to kill cause they run around so much you gotta use all stuns. Just silly cause no one wants to waste time farming for boxes to use those keys.

@Erazus said:

@Christin said:
I don't get it. So did it just change the companion over to a pet then? What was consumed? Oh, so you maybe thought the change was temporary then?

Let's say you have 2 companions. One looks like Cocomin and the other looks like Loo. You want your Cocomin to look like Loo because your Cocomin is 45 fellowships while the Loo has 37 fellowships but you prefer the appearance of the Loo. So you use that voucher so your Cocomin now looks like a Loo. But if you do that, you completely lose the companion with 37 fellowship which was a Loo.

The image, as shown by OP, is extremely misleading because of the arrows basically saying that it swaps rather than any sort of consumption. I would not doubt that it is made on purpose so that happens (for people to spend more because of their [filtered] up).

Serious? Wow, that is awful. I know I made a thread asking what companions we could change the appearance to, so you have to have the companion already that you want to change the other into? So in order to change one of my companions to Loo, I have to already have a companion that look like Loo? That voucher seems so flipping messed up if it really does eat a companion. I mean we can have more than one of the same companion, so I don't get why it would eat up an already existing companion. Plus, they don't have any detail really saying what that voucher does or how it works. That is simply awful.

I was thinking of getting one, because I wanted my cocomin to look like my violette but not if I have to give up my actual violette in order to do so. Plus, they don't even specify that we can only change the appearance into something we already have. The whole thing just seems like a nightmare tbh. I ddin't see the image as swapping, I thought it meant you could change the appearance back if you wanted. Either way, it's misleading and confusing.

@HitokiriXD said:
The description does not say you lose the Companion when the item is used. I used this on one companion and the other was consumed. Even the photo shows arrows on each pet like they swap. I feel some what cheated.https://static.enmasse.com/store/tera/20190822_High_Stakes/Appeance_Change_large.jpg

I don't get it. So did it just change the companion over to a pet then? What was consumed?

They don't care. It's all junk they can toss in to ruin the lootboxes and make us cringe. Just like with the campfires to turn in and get wood scraps. It's just sad. So much in this game is devs trying to force us into doing what they want. Like getting legacy essence shoved down our throats to try to force us to work on partner leveling or dumping level 68 stuff on us to clog up our banks for expansion sales. Mostly all of the prizes in this game are not really even prizes.

Well, the place is deserted and seeing as everyone is going to be doing the Guordo event in the evenings, it's going to be tough as heck to get any decent runs in. So many are doing this solo and most others are simply ignoring the cannons now. Every time I go to the area, it's just totally dead. I can probably get enough candy for the one Boo we're allowed through the Guordo event, but it would be nice to at least be able to do the achievement. RNG ruining everything.

I remember around this time of year the Halloween pets like Addams and Boo running around all over. Now, there are barely any pets on the broker and the Halloween pets are barely anywhere.

Event is pretty OK, but I am really getting tired of EME thinking Item XP Boosts and Skill Advancement Scrolls are prizes. Cashed in 2 pies just to get that junk, and it's really annoying. Next, they'll be giving away cards as prizes. Oh, and let us train pets already. You give away legacy essence as prizes, but what if we aren't interested in feeding partners? I'd rather train the pets and be able to use them as autolooters. Stop trying to control everything we do in this game. It's like you force this stuff on us to get us to do what you want. Sometimes, we just want to goof off and have fun, but lately, mostly all of your prizes have had an agenda EME or at least let us start selling this stuff if we don't want to use it. At least we could sell the enchanting materials we used to get in events. Can't even do that anymore.

Thanks for the footsteps at least. I doubt if I'll get the maple steps or the new pet, but at least my toons can get the frightsteps, and those are pretty cool.

@Concepcion30 said:
I don't know where my Tera is installed, there is no client folder drop down box. Unless it got overwritten by mistake I don't know. The only thing I could find in a search was an EmE diagnostic folder. Does that mean I have to reinstall? =/

How did you originally install the game? Was it through the website or was it through Steam?

Yes, we are all forced to use the new launcher now. Everything worked for me, because all I relocated to my desktop was a shortcut to the exe file.

If you try to use the old exe file, the play button just directs to installing the new launcher.

Well, I hope it's cool cause I will abandon my family for it today. I am in low gear, so hopefully, I can still participate. Crossing my fingers. I won't be mad if I can't just hoping.

@LoadedGamer said:
mmmm so you promote a 5h event with random spawns and even higher RNG? cheers I will be doing it too, just kinda odd. I just do it solo if i cant find a group and still get 8candy a run just still have a few alts to get achievement on.

What the f are you on about? Your still talking about gold, tell me I am an [filtered] for making assumptions about you, then you right away make them about me ROFL................. I seriously give up on this community every time I try to play. cheers mate enjoy Tera the way you want, and I will just walk away from the Discord and these Forums you guys are fuking toxic.

So much name calling and resentment just because you're given reasons as to why you can't fill a party or take a long time to fill one. Sorry not everyone loves rng prizes the way you do. Yes, it is a bit annoying when you praise EME for changing from prizes we could work towards to all rng boxes and temp stuff. It's only going to encourage them to do it more often. The first year I did the event, I was able to farm like 10 boo pets which I was able to use and sell for all kinds of costumes. It was great. Not so anymore.

@LoadedGamer said:

@Christin said:

@LoadedGamer said:
Still wish more people were doing it, I've gotten 3 pets, 6 legacy essences, lots of pie's and costumes from it... I guess people don't need/like those things. Fact is I am just returning and this to me looks like a great way to get some partners made.

Let alone the crt/cdr/atk masks are better than the 446 dg masks even if timed for a year.

Players are simply getting tired of all of the rng. You've most likely been grinding like crazy to get what you've gotten so far. Is any of it sellable? Six legacy essences aren't even enough for one pet right? Are the pets sellable?

Even with all that you've mentioned, it still doesn't seem like it's worth the time. Every time I go there, I just see people waiting and waiting to fill a party.

I know how to play, time is what you make of it. I lfg while doing dailies, gaurds, fish. Typically if we find a good 3 people it stays a group and we make the rounds on more than one char. Most of my rewards have come from the RNG boxs and have only gotten 20 of each so....
the achievement gives 5x of each like i have said above.....

Look, if you find your play time valued else where that's fine, I enjoy farming it. Compared to say the summer event its actually a challenge to get a high score. Its just something to break up the day to day Tera play.

With all you QQ gamers out there I really wonder some times why you play video games in the first place. If you QQ over every thing in every game and its just your thing or if you hate a game so much what makes you stay lol just FFFFFFFSSSSSSSSSS

@Cristalin I can tell for you playing the trade broker and making money might be more rewarding experience and thats why you play.. So you get your undies in a wad when a event cant net you a profit, or maybe nothing there of value to you cause you "have it all" idk what to say ....

What are you even on about? So because we don't want to waste our time farming some silly canon event that requires 3 people and gives nothing really great, you wonder why we even play games in the first place? No, I don't play the trade broker, and for you to assume I do is sad. You obviously don't know how to farm gold in this game, which is why you think what you've gotten so far is worth the time. Fact is they took a fun event where we could work towards nice prizes, and turned it into another rng grind. I gather from your snippy response that nothing is sellable, so we're stuck with whatever rng costumes or accessories we get. You say "pets" so I gather they aren't the Adams autoloot pet then? Not all of us just want pets for partner fodder. Either way, mostly all of the nice prizes from that event are temporary. So, we're left choosing whether to do the canons and hope for something we can use or farm gold to be able to buy what we can use. Instead of filling my bank with consumables, I think I'd rather just farm gold and buy what I need.

BTW, not sure why you're getting mad that people don't want to run the canons. If EME really cared about you guys being able to fill your party, they would not have made mostly everything temporary. Plus, once the Guordo event starts, it will be twice as tough for you to fill parties. At least that event gives permanent prizes.

@LoadedGamer said:
Still wish more people were doing it, I've gotten 3 pets, 6 legacy essences, lots of pie's and costumes from it... I guess people don't need/like those things. Fact is I am just returning and this to me looks like a great way to get some partners made.

Let alone the crt/cdr/atk masks are better than the 446 dg masks even if timed for a year.

Players are simply getting tired of all of the rng. You've most likely been grinding like crazy to get what you've gotten so far. Is any of it sellable? Six legacy essences aren't even enough for one pet right? Are the pets sellable?

Even with all that you've mentioned, it still doesn't seem like it's worth the time. Every time I go there, I just see people waiting and waiting to fill a party.

I just love how they try so hard to fill up our banks and inventory with all of this junk. Every update brings more and more to fill our banks with. They are so obvious with it to. Cards don't even stack and all kinds of new gear along with enchant materials to take up space. New players must just feel so overwhelmed when they start and see how far they need to go. Everything is so rng in this game. Can't even have an event without making all of the prizes pretty much rng. The constant gambling does get a bit old after a while.

Event starts tomorrow BTW.

Mostly everyone I have chatted with isn't wasting their time on the canons this year. RNG boxes are a rip, and one boo per account is also another let down. You've managed to get a lot of consumables, but that event is just no longer worth much time IMO. I mean some cosmetics? Yeah, just not worth the time. The other games i play are doing actually good events, so I plan to hang out there this month unless the Guordo event makes up for the candy canon disappointment.

No doubt you're posting this to try and bring in new players as it's tough now to even find 3 people to play with. The changes just turned it into another smashing keyfest, and the monsters go so fast that it's tough to keep up with all of it. Plus, they've limited runs to only 3 per day per toon, so there's another big letdown.

Thanks for the information though. I was thinking I might try to do it again, but seeing as the rng is so bad that all you're getting is misc stuff, I am surely going to pass. With all of the gold to be made, wasting time on this is simply wasting gold that I could be using to buy some decent prizes with.

@LoadedGamer said:
A file being corrupted more like, and the repair only fixed it from happening on the game launch that ONE time.... it still happens when im loading other chars and click my other monitor it seems... while that's still speculation on my part as its pretty random. Happens the most if im switching chars for sure!

also this never happened prior to the recent patch

I think in the last 6 months, I've gotten that error once. However, after this last patch, I got it three times in one day. Today, however, I have not gotten it yet. Could be the servers are just busy. I think that error happens when data isn't retrieved from the server fast enough. Not sure though.

@LoadedGamer said:
I had to run a repair to fix it one time because every time game loaded it would crash with fff0:0000, after repair game launched fine, but I will still get the error when switching chars the game will crash but then loads right back up without another repair.

Yeah, It was always when I was changing characters to.

  1. You shouldn't be crafting until you get to 65. Before 65, your focus should be on getting to 65. If you want to relax, go gathering. That will also help you level up. Crafting before 65 is like fishing before 65. People just want an afk way to level up.
  2. 10 Channels would be nice for all areas. Would help gatherers to, but they won't ever do that, because that is how they limit materials.
  3. Pass on this one as the card system just seems like another mess thought up by BHS.
  4. Elite is what it is. It's mainly for heavy dungeon runners. Plus, how do you take character slots away?
  5. Why do you care? What's it to you if people want to afk fish?
  6. Already have shared bank. Personal bank comes from tote pets.
  7. Expand ability to IM by one or two levels sure, but anything past that no. Otherwise, I think it would be abused.
  8. Yeah, way too slow. Better to use travel journals or teleports.
  9. Eh
  10. Lets not start that where everything is determined by level. Only gatherers would face much of this. If you don't like the lower mobs, don't gather in that area.
  11. They are putting everything on Discord.

Yeah, old thread, but I got this error like 4 times yesterday out of nowhere. Think it might have been server lag though as everything seemed pretty busy yesterday. Last night all was working fine again. Hopefully, nothing ended up corrupted.

@Breach3440 said:
Hey guys. I was wondering what the policy is for buying and selling gold. I see people selling EMP all the time in game where they will buy items from the Tera store then someone mails them gold for it and they return the mail with the items. Because I see that everywhere I assume that's allowed(correct me if I'm wrong). I also see websites saying they will buy or sell you gold. Are there rules about that? Will you get banned if you sell gold on one of those sites or buy gold on them? Do they not care what you do?

They just do a trade. I wouldn't send gold or a high ticket items in the post.

Just leveled up to 66 and got a prize pack. Wish I would have known earlier as everyone said it was for sure over. Thanks though. Got my prize as I only had to get 10 more fish.

Anyone know? Halloween candy canons are kind of a waste now so hoping at least the Gourdo event will be something.

I completely agree. It's time to move on and start appreciating everything that BHS and EME still do for the game, because they are still making big updates years later. I highly doubt most players thought that the game would still be bringing out large updates the way it is. People may not like all of the changes, but at least the game always seems to have something to work for whether it's grindy or not.

People can kick for whatever reason they want to kick. Obviously, if the other players agree, there is a good reason. If players just agree to the kick for no reason, that's on them. Some of you may act like you're so above the rest of us, but I don't doubt most of you have kicked players as well. Don't sit there and chastise me for stating an experienced MMO player crying about getting kicked all while stating over and over they didn't know anything about the dungeon is ridiculous. Sure they have a right to cry, but I also have a right to point out their complete hypocrisy.

I do get that people need a place to cry and vent. However, the irony that most complaining about being kicked will end up kicking others after they learn the dungeon is not lost. In fact, mostly all of you end up as kickers once you learn a dungeon and can pick out the players that have no clue as to what they are doing. Of course, you won't admit it, but yeah, it happens all of the time.

If you're new and don't feel you should read a guide or watch a video, simply say so in global. Surely all of the people here against kicking will step up and donate their time to help you learn the dungeon.

Don't feel too bad. Many of us didn't realize the cutoff was 6am PDT either. I literally missed level 66 by like 10 fish. Oh well.

It doesn't matter if you're kicked from an end game dungeon or a "leveling" dungeon. Get over it already and move on. If you can't, don't do anymore dungeons. This thread has turned into some kind of witch hunt, and I guarantee people aren't going to be banned for kicking no matter how much others stomp up and down about it. There's nothing against the rules about kicking, and we're only getting one side of the story from all of these complaints. Yeah, I've made mistakes, and I've been kicked. However, I either worked on my toon more or read a guide telling me why I died. It's really not that complicated. If you want to do a lot of dungeons, find friends or get your current friends to play. Time to grow up a bit, stop calling everyone "elitist" for not wanting to hand-hold you or take the time through every part to make sure everyone knows what to do. If you're too lazy to look up guides or even try to learn mechs on your own, this game or dungeons aren't for you. It's as simple as that.

Y'all can say the game is dead, because you're not getting coddled, but it's obviously still pulling in plenty of cash. There's plenty of players out there willing to learn and join with the veteran players, play event or farming for whatever. All games start off heavily populated and end up with a lower population. The population isn't lowering just because the devs aren't following your instructions or demands.

Really, the only answer to this problem is to make the dungeons extremely easy, because people say they shouldn't be made to read guides. That means that all dungeons would need to remove mechs and be easy enough for children to do them. Is that really what you guys need? The dungeons dumbed-down for you, because you can't be bothered to learn anything before hand? Seems like that really is the only thing that will satisfy most of you. Sad but true.

From what I've read and understand, the entire hall is getting a revamp along with the store and prizes. Candies are being changed to go with the new store. No doubt they will have at least one pet in the new store. I'm crossing my fingers at least. I just hope the rates are similar to the beach event. Make everything untradable like the beach event. That was awesome.

I wouldn't worry about it too much as they will most likely have another event in a month or so.

@counterpoint said:

@SageWindu said:
@counterpoint
Remember, this all started from Styx saying he was kicked from a LEVELING dungeon for being NEW.

Again, KICKED from a LEVELING DUNGEON for being NEW.

Yes, I personally think that's a ridiculous end-result and is absolutely hurting the game's long-term growth potential (as it impacted these people), wherever the "fault" lies. I actually passed this video along to EME staff and noted that specific point: the transition from leveling content to end-game has a wall that many new players don't cross due in part to design and part to player toxicity. Ultimately, player behavior is driven in large part (though not exclusively) by the game design, so the game designers ultimately have to make a game that encourages the kinds of behaviors they intend. Of course, the trouble with this is that is that player behavior is also cultural, so the way players approach things like IMS might be very different in Korea than it is here. That's why they have to be aware of the cultural differences and the impact, and change the game accordingly to take that into account. Whether they will or can... well, that's another story, obviously.

I definitely don't think the situation is okay as is, but it's also a complicated issue. Predicting the impact of game design decisions on human behavior is one of the most advanced (and I think interesting) aspects of multiplayer game design theory. I hope they'll look at it seriously.

At least with the current system, they keep veterans and players willing to learn some of the dungeon on their own. Maybe if veteran players have rookies on their team, they shouldn't lose adventure coins or something like that. Maybe the dungeon could be adjusted or extra/special loot added whenever there is a rookie on the team. Something that would reward veteran players for taking the time and energy to educate new players. The main problem is that players unwilling to learn anything on their own aren't going to change for end game dungeons if they are being hand held through leveling dungeons. Plus, they are the ones that end up complaining that the game is too easy whenever they do get walked through dungeons, so it's just a no win situation. If you really like the game, you're going to take the extra time to learn dungeons and keep at it until you get there. If you aren't really into Tera, you're just going to make excuse after excuse on why it's not new player friendly and doesn't accommodate new players and so on. Lets face it, most of the ones demanding that they shouldn't be expected to work or learn anything on their own are the same ones that visit the forums daily to trash EME or Tera in general. So, obviously, they aren't into the game enough to want to learn.

@Viennoiserie said:
Wait what
Reading guides equates to cheating now? Damn.

Skipped over most of the rantings, but just had to add a little something to your cute replies. Don't even try to understand any of it, because it's nothing more than a bunch of adults acting like a bunch of spoiled children. They are the very reason EME and BHS allow players to kick in the first place. People work hard to create guides that these people are simply too lazy to bother to read. All they come up with is excuses and more excuses. I wish when I started, I could have been as lazy as them and not looked anything up, because I thought I was too good to be bothered with learning anything on my own. However, I am an adult and tend to act like one.

I do find it funny at how they keep calling everyone "elites" while literally stomping up and down and stating that they are simply too good to be bothered to learn a dungeon, and those so called "elites" should be eager to hand-hold them through. I've never been in such support of so called "elites" as I am now. Actually, I feel so sorry for them, that they have to put up with such spoiled-acting players.

In fact, this thread is a perfect reason why EME staff don't even bother to come to the forums anymore. No one bothers to give them much if any praise when they do good, and all that many here do is trash and have righteous meltdowns over the silliest of things. Yeah, demand they ban people for kicking players that demand to be carried. LOL Good luck with that.

What program are you using to save it as a bmp file?

@AlbedoBloodfallen said:

@TJKat said:
@AlbedoBloodfallen
You are completely missing the point; you shouldn't NEED to read a guide before playing the game. Why are you even playing an MMO? Why aren't you playing a single player game where you won't have to worry about someone else's lack of perfection slowing you down? You accuse people who refuse to look up a guide of being entitled? Your expectation that people study before running a dungeon so that they will measure up to whatever arbitrary minimum standards you've dreamed up is the very height of entitlement. YOU are the entitled one for expecting everyone to treat the game like a job. The people playing the game to have fun and relax are the ones who are doing it right.

You are just spouting your feelings and opinions again boss. Slow down and nice straw man, sage made the same one. You are saying I'm looking for perfection and have some standards wich of course you can't quantify or even prove exist. YOU are entitled because you expect other people to waste their own time for you. You are not owed their time. You trying to convince me other people owe you their time by making an arbitrary accusation is not very convincing big guy. Trying to call me entitled for not letting people like you waste my and other people's time is childis and falls flat of it's mark.

Just be thankful most of them no longer play the game, so at least there are a few less people demanding a carry. For the most part, they just wanna have tantrums over getting kicked, because they are in a perpetual state of "learning" the dungeons. However, they don't want kick limits. No, they want kickers to get banned. Really? As if customer service has any interest in reading the constant crying over dungeons.

BTW, not sure most of you really have a clue as to how ignorant you're acting. As if none of you needed to read guides when you started playing to learn how to do most of the stuff we have to do in game. Were you just constantly spamming global with every question you had? You're the reason people kick in this game, because your lazy mentality simply gets old after a while. Veteran players aren't paid to teach you dungeons. They don't get extra bonuses if you get the team killed, because you can't even bother to look at a guide. Maybe most of you selfish players forget that some of these players ARE PAYING CASH TO BE ABLE TO DO DUNGEONS! Not that you care, as I doubt most of you pay for coins, but some do. Why is it their responsibility to teach any of you anything? It flat out isn't! You're pretty much defending complete laziness, selfishness and demanding others take their time and money to teach you stuff you don't want to learn on your own. And then people wonder what is happening to the world and why so many people feel entitled to everything. This thread is a perfect example of that. Can't even be bothered to take a few minutes to look at a guide or video. After reading what y'all stated here, no, I no longer think they should have any limits on kicking. In fact, I totally understand why y'all are getting kicked.

You're right, you should go back to games that don't require guides. This is an adult game where other adults don't want to have to treat you like a child. Players have taken a lot of their time and energy into creating the guides that you all feel you're too good to read. Maybe games like Roblox and such are better fitted for you. Most of those games don't require guides, so you should really like those games.

Funny how many of you say that games are supposed to be fun, but I guess that only applies to YOU. The people you run dungeons with aren't allowed to have any fun and run with experienced teams. No, they are supposed to sacrifice their fun, because somehow, they owe you something. Sorry, but they don't owe you fun nor do they owe you a free tutorial. They don't owe you their time to explain to you what to do nor do they owe you a free dungeon run, because you can't do your part. They are players just like you, it's just that unlike you, they have taken the time, money and energy to learn the dungeon. Where you have not. Moving on.

@Blackbirdx61 said:
So I've been watching a good few Tera Video's on Youtube. One thing you'll see a lot of in the comments section are people noting/complaining about the absurd wait times to get into Dungeons, coupled with the fact that once in a person might well get booted if some Leet Groks that a sub optimal player has slipped into their party. So two Idea's too potentially speed things up.

  1. Make an Ace Version of all Dungeons. I recently started a toon in the new Astrellia game and that is their approach from day one. Admittedly I am no expert on Dungeons, but it seems to me like Lilith is pretty much Lilith Ace or Party. Same Skills, Same AoEs all that, running Ace Dungeons while waiting to group would give players an opportunity to hone their skills for Multiplayer Dungeons. The Loot gap should entice most players to not go Ace only.

  2. Alternatively look at a Henchman System like Guild Wars 1 Employed. Instead of 3 DPS players waiting an hour for a Tank to show up they could hire Rock the Lancer and go in; Sure a little time and energy would have to go into creating an AI thats not a complete idiot; but again you would get more people into game in a timely manner, and that would give more players more reason so stay in Tera than migrate else where; after all there are alot of MMOs they could be playing instead of spinning their wheels in a Que.

Again this is a Suggestion for the Devs. So please if you dont have a Constructive Critique, if you just feel the need to vent your Venom. Do something else.

BB.

  1. Yes totally agree. There has got to be some way for people to learn, since they don't look at guides or videos.

  2. Yes, allowing NPC's to take the open slots would be really nice. No, they aren't going to be as great as a player tank, but at least they will keep aggro and allow DPS to do their thing.

  3. Kicking limit of 2 per day or something like that. Seriously, unlimited kicks is just silly IMO.

  4. 24 hours penalty for players that get kicked multiple times a day. Like 5 times or so to prevent trouble makers from abusing the kick limits.

Well, if they can't program an NPC to help, then scale down the dungeon maybe? Or, just have an NPC that keeps aggro and scale down the dungeon to offset the NPC's inabilities.

@Jerichow said:

@CornishRex said:

Frankly I have never in my life seen anyone get kicked in a leveling dungeon (that wasn't afk of course) and I've leveled well over 50 characters over the 4 years I've been playing. Much less seen anyone get kicked for gear? Or not knowing mechs? In a leveling dungeon. I wonder what was the case in reality, perhaps he meant a lvl 65 dungeon but he said he got to 64 so that's weird as hell.

I have - it's pretty awful. Was running KC right at the border of leveling dungeons and starting to get into actual gearing dungeons, and after the first boss two people started trying to kick the archer that didn't keep up in DPS. I accidentally misclicked to kick the first guy but wrote it off as a mistake. After they did it again to the person who replaced the first guy - I refused to kick them and asked to just finish the dungeon. They just trolled the party (and didn't recruit because one was party leader) - and just kept throwing up the kick vote for the next 40-ish mins until the last random decided to leave - few seconds later, I was gone too.

I sent in a pretty lengthy and scathing report for the two players but honestly I would bet money that it never amounted to anything. The problem is, that one run alone set the expectation of how the end game is for two new players, and then for me, an at-the-time +2yr Lancer main - that queuing in this game outside of a static has devolved into just toxic elitists who would rather spend an hour trolling a random party than to just finish the last boss of a dungeon a little slower because someone wasn't as sweaty, tryhard as them.

So in that regards - I fully agree with the review, being kicked for the most pathetic and arbitrary reasons by openly vocal and hostile toxic elitists probably does more damage to this game's population than a lack of content. My only regret is that I don't get to see the faces of these cancerous people when they get the notice that Tera is shutting down. That moment when they realize the game they so openly prided themselves on, with borderline hostility towards anyone 'lesser' than them is shutting down would be hilarious to watch, if only because we all know that it was their antagonistic, better-than-you attitudes they shoved in every newer player's faces was a key driving force in the downfall of this game's player count.

Again, having kicking limits would have worked here. Each player should only be allowed to vote to kick twice per day or something like that. That would stop stuff like this from happening. Maybe limit players to 2 kicks per day and if a player gets kicked 5 or more times, they get a 24 hour cool down. That would also stop players from trying to pull stuff. Again, it's tough to make everyone happy, but yeah, having some limits would at least make people think before kicking.

@Blackbirdx61 said:

@Christin said:
Interesting video until he practically starts crying over getting kicked from a few dungeons. Only alternative is to not allow kicking, so yeah.

So, make the world pretty again and hand hold them to 70. Wait, they don't like the hand holding,

It should be noted Byte is a professional MMOs are what he does for a living; and he has no little experience of Tera; if you check his library this is like the 3rd Video he has done on the game over the years. Now I have no doubt that he must of been standing on the wrong Pixel, or used the wrong skill, in the wrong order, or in someway offended someones Eliteness. God forbid; but I think the point was, and its pretty clear in the comments of the YouTube; if a player of even that level can get booted; how are new commers ever supposed to learn... Oh yes there not they offend your Leetness. Fine really you have every right to never party with someone beneath you; but please then stop whinning about how your game is dying.

Because you cant have it both ways. You can Have a tiny, ever diminishing population of Elitists, or you can welcome new players into your game; but when you boot someone thats an invitation to leave the game, not just the party. So hand out all those invites you want; and when your game dies remember it was YOU that killed it.

I could care less at how "professional" of an MMO player he is. Kicking is part of a game, and the only way not to get kicked is be geared and know what you're doing. Kicking is part of MMO's, so if he is such a professional, he should be able to get over it. Alos, if he is such a professional, why didn't he go over a guide of the dungeon instead of crying over being kicked, because he was such a noob? He even states in the video that he didn't know the dungeon, but how is he supposed to learn? Guides buddy.

And no, I don't really have a lot of sympathy for people that don't even bother to look up guides or videos, then, go into a dungeon totally expecting to be carried and hand held the entire way through. Sure, they may not know all of the mechs, but when they gotta hide behind rocks but just stand there and die, you can't blame a team for getting annoyed. Most of the players that gripe about "elites" are simply players that feel they deserve to be carried through until they can "learn". Plus, even telling players the mechs in the dungeon doesn't work half of the time, because so many of the players don't speak English.

Maybe they should add training dungeons where players can go in and learn the mechs, solo versions of every dungeon or let players run dungeons with NPC's. Of course, they'll be trashed for hand holding like they did with the intro, but at least it will be some way for people to learn. Not sure what else they could do.

You can also buy scales with pilot tokens from flying vanguard missions. It only(haha) takes about 1600 tokens to get a dragon.

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