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TERA PC - General Discussion: Players' attitudes towards newbies
So today, I was watching a friend of mine play TERA - now he only has 1 character, fresh into the game and just doing some KDNM for his feedstock and gear. I told him to go into IMS and get himself a run before the maint.

Here's a screenshot of the chat log that he sent me, right into the dungeon, up till the first boss.



I was sitting right by him when this happened.

People may have different opinions on whether IMS should be fod runs or gear runs, but most newbies won't be taken in pugs (Because LF>+12/15 is so common now and they don't have the gear for it). The best way for most newbies to get their sets is IMS, and I'm sure many of you agree with me on this. If you are fully geared and still want some quick feedstock, you could easily make a LFG for a fod run. There's no need to go into IMS and fight with new players for the gear they NEED.

Now I'm not saying that once you get starfall or whatever it is the [filtered] that you need, you can't IMS anymore. You can. However when you do see new players it'll be nice to help them out, get them geared, be a nice member of the community and not a [filtered] [filtered].

People complain everyday now on the forums that this game is dead. Being a complete [filtered] to new players doesn't help the situation.

I'd love to hear your thoughts about this.


P.S. The other 2 new players gave their permission for their names to be posted, if you happen to meet them in other dungeons and runs, be friendly and say hi :)

[img]http://i.imgur.com/gcNnfeI.pngp[/img]
The fact that things like this still happen is sad. I don't mind if people need gear in dungeons, but my thing is you have to speak up. If you do not say anything in chat and we roll on something you need and then you become angered because we rolled, then that is YOUR fault not ours. However,if you need a certain piece of equipment most players won't mind passing on it.
Call outs on the forum are against the rulesu, even if the players approved.

I'm glad you didn't label them as elitists though; they aren't any form of "elite" if they're IMSing KDNM for feedstock or vanguard dailies. It sucks that they were toxic pretty much for the sake of being toxic, but try not to let it get to you. Chances are you'll never have to meet them again.
Edited by: Chaotix453 less than a minute ago
It is rather disgusting in my opinion, but its something we have to do, just ignore the "Toxic" players and enjoy the game, if you run into people like that repeatedly just consider kicking them, blocking them or running with guild/trusted friends. I tend to ask guild before running due to the amount of "Toxic" players running and taking gear just for fod. I know your pain SgtKitteh. Trust me, priests get this the most.

IsamiGunbara on 04/07/2016, 07:06 AM - view
The fact that things like this still happen is sad. I don't mind if people need gear in dungeons, but my thing is you have to speak up. If you do not say anything in chat and we roll on something you need and then you become angered because we rolled, then that is YOUR fault not ours. However,if you need a certain piece of equipment most players won't mind passing on it.


Exactly my point. However some people are just so self-centered that they refuse to consider anyone else - even after they specifically said they needed the gear.

I ran KDNM the other day. There was a brawler (full Dreadnaught +12) who rolled on a new sorc's boots after the first boss. The sorc had called out need prior to this. When asked why he rolled, he said it's ffa and that he will roll on everything and didn't care that the guy needed to get his gear. So before the next boss we kicked him.
SleepyTime on 04/07/2016, 07:11 AM - view
I ran KDNM the other day. There was a brawler (full Dreadnaught +12) who rolled on a new sorc's boots after the first boss. The sorc had called out need prior to this. When asked why he rolled, he said it's ffa and that he will roll on everything and didn't care that the guy needed to get his gear. So before the next boss we kicked him.


Why is it always brawlers/gunners/reapers?
Chaotix453 on 04/07/2016, 07:11 AM - view
Why is it always brawlers/gunners/reapers?

Our replacement was also a brawler (also +12 Dreadnaught), but he was willing to pass if the others needed.
I have run into this same issue myself. I just returned this week after almost 3 yrs away. I have a founder account but left after my guild moved on to other games. So much has changed I'm almost learning everything all over and am guildless atm so IMS is my only way to re-learn and gear up. I'm just starting Schisma gear and it seems asking someone not to roll on items i need and they don't only encourages them to do it.

and a question.... I was almost kicked from a group formed from instance matching in the Training version of...(forgot the name sorry, where the Schisma gear drops) for being in all Idoneal gear and wep. What should i have been wearing? and where to get it? I have 5 more 60 char to get to 65 so want to get it right next time if i missed something.
TERA PC - General Discussion#10 ShawnSsi04/07/2016, 07:15 AM
Nice :D
Well just to be clear on one thing
Nothing and absolutely nothing is reserved for anyone in IM, just pray to RNG and hope you get it. If you desperately need something then like you said, LFG for it and make a RES run. Don't get all salty when people gonna roll on your items when they don't need it, its not reserved for you. Everyone wants a profit, if you want it, you can pay the person to pass or simply just roll and hope for the best. Just because others are +15 means that they should pass for you, its a profit system, if they pass on items, aren't they running the IM for nothing? We aren't charity yo.
TERA PC - General Discussion#11 Ciel5604/07/2016, 07:20 AM
I'm the priest in that party and all I've been trying to say is everyone IM for whatever reasons they have: Need new gear, feedstock, gold, or just for the fun for it.

IM is not LFG where you can res certain items and the entire party has agreed that they would pass on it.

I made my point and I don't really care if you wanna say I'm toxic. You were the one trying to reset the boss by not coming in while we waited, making comments about us when we stopped. Trying to "figure out who we are" on forums by doing call outs.

Did I make a forum post talking about how people in IM rolled my spars away when I carried the entire team as a brawler? I didn't [filtered] about how I mystic carried it through and got my items rolled away too. I just don't expect much when I IM.

Well I'm out of here, you can continue being salty about it. o/
I think this rule from a Team Fortress 2 group sums it up perfectly...

Rule: Be patient with noobs and help the noobs, you were once a noob yourself.

In fact, there was once a guild named "Noobinators" in another game I play (it's a shame it got stolen by someone else, the dirty little rat). And one of the promotion opportunities is "Help noobs out."

The fact that people discriminate against noobs is sad. It makes my blood boil.

To those who discriminate against noobs: I hope you understand what karma is.

King Crazy
to be fair about all this~ i see alot more people pass gear again in dungeons lately then during the AI nm patch wher you would even get kicked if you needed gear =x
im not saying this is a good way to treat new players atm since the game is kind of in a slump lately... but yah overall the IM comunity is showing ther good sides a little bit more again
Azlin217 on 04/07/2016, 07:15 AM - view
What should i have been wearing? and where to get it? I have 5 more 60 char to get to 65 so want to get it right next time if i missed something.

Gear progression is Idoneal->Schisma right now, so you were fine and they were jerks.
TERA PC - General Discussion#15 sestina04/07/2016, 07:26 AM
Well I'm going to say it,

That was your fault for suggesting your friend to use IMS.

Never have any expectations using IMS. NEVER. Those kinds of people are not obligated to be nice to you because you won't see them again. You shouldn't care about them, and they won't care about you. It's harsh life. If there are people that wants to help, then props to them. But don't EXPECT it to happen.

Yeah yeah you wanna let people know how toxic it is. Well no crap. It's been like that for years and everyone should have known this by this point.

TL;DR: Use LFG/Guildies/Friends and avoid the plague.
sestina on 04/07/2016, 07:26 AM - view
Well I'm going to say it,

That was your fault for suggesting your friend to use IMS.

Never have any expectations using IMS. NEVER. Those kinds of people are not obligated to be nice to you because you won't see them again. You shouldn't care about them, and they won't care about you. It's harsh life. If there are people that wants to help, then props to them. But don't EXPECT it to happen.

Yeah yeah you wanna let people know how toxic it is. Well no crap. It's been like that for years and everyone should have known this by this point.

TL;DR: Use LFG/Guildies/Friends and avoid the plague.


Probably yeah, I've been taking him on runs and showing him different dungeons, we've also been doing some achievement hunting together.
I was actually in this KDNM, I was Dps.Queen, we tried to kick them but it was a Brawler and Priest combo running together, so of course if we try to kick one the other will decline ;.;

Thankfully they didnt kill the final boss before maint as we made it reset >:D (yes this maybe evil but they deserved it muhahha)

im usually friendly in all my runs during IM and if people need gear then its best to respect that and let them have it, people like this ruin the atmosphere of tera and for new people fresh to tera its not a very nice welcoming :/
TERA PC - General Discussion#18 Aluze04/07/2016, 07:33 AM
Even EME doesn't respect their new players unless they come with a big fat wallet, why should the community?
I'm torn on this one tbh. I think both sides are wrong.

On one hand, yeah it's too easy to give up on or two pieces for a person. If they need everything then just say hey let's go 50/50 you get the wep and armor box we'll roll fod on the other stuff. We were all there at one point(and dealt with the same [filtered]). I actually like helping out players, but that may just be me. Besides it's like 24-36 t8 feed per piece of fod. If you're that hungry for feed you've got some issues. Even if you got every piece of fod you'd only end up with 50-75 t9. Hell I'd give you 75 t9.

On the other side of it though. It's ims. They are right, you need specific things don't rely on charity. Thats what friends, lfg, and guilds are there for. Ims has, in the past, been quick don't give a [filtered] runs. You don't go to ims to learn a dungeon, you don't go for specific items. Typically you go for fod and quick runs.

So really I think both sides were wrong, when I was on AV I ran with yoshida. He isn't toxic and he's pretty good. People just have differing views. The thing I have issues with is running to the forums to q.q about something like this. The call outs and forcing a reset and such is imo more bm than not passing gear. Just my opinion though.

Good luck getting the rest of your gear though! ^^
SgtKitteh on 04/07/2016, 07:02 AM - view
now he only has 1 character, fresh into the game and just doing some KDNM for his feedstock and gear

if your friend already does kdnm then he is not THAT fresh and should get used to this attitude by now
TERA PC - General Discussion#21 Cezzare04/07/2016, 07:58 AM
I agree that IMS is no place for expectations. At the same time, I don't think passing on foot/handwear pieces will kill anyone - since those are the most annoying to get and, wether you like it or not, if the rest of the party needs gear or is willing to pass then you, the only one who's queueing for feedstock, are the minority and you certainly can expect people to kick you at any second, just like a fodder/spar run might kick someone who's gearing. In the end is just a matter of don't going to the extremes.

There's always some hidden story, but the "If you want 'x' the go use LFG" argument can be used both ways: a player in need of gear is safer in a group that won't roll on the pieces he needs, a player in need of feedstock is safer in a group where no one will kick him if he doesn't pass the dice roll. In any case, IMS is what it is because you don't expect to get the exact same party twice in a row, if you were running with a friend or a guildmate who needs gear you almost certainly wouldn't roll on the pieces he/she is trying to get (unless you're trolling each other).

Anyways, currently, as long as you're not a healer, using the IoD tokens is an alternative to get the dreadnaught set, it's not fast but it's safe at least, you don't need to deal with RNG to get the exact piece you need or roll against others.

Besides, on the Go Berserk! patch AINM was a huge source of feedstock (so was TAR a bit later) but currenlty, given that you can get in a 2-hour trap run, be kicked for not passing on gear, or outright failing to clear the dungeon, how come you guys use IMS to farm feedstock (outside of CW)? sounds a bit impractical.
TERA PC - General Discussion#22 Mobius104/07/2016, 08:17 AM
Unfortunately, games have been becoming more and more "me first," these days.

People can be selfish and greedy in this game with little consequence. When you can just queue with randoms who you will likely never see again, then there is no price to be paid for being selfish.

Back in the day, most MMOs had much more reliance on the community in order to get by. But the more the community fades, the more selfishness begins to pervade.

All you can really do, is try to be that diamond in the rough. Try to be that person who helps someone just for the sake of helping them. Walk away from situations like these, telling yourself that you will never be one of those people.

In the end, you win, since you will actually enjoy the game more, and form better relationships.
TERA PC - General Discussion#23 thekor04/07/2016, 08:26 AM
Oh look Another fan boy for the "Corporate Enmass can do nothing wrong." Army. Enmass disappoints us constantly but let's keep spending and giving them our wallet to let them know we still care about them!"...

Anyone else notice the EMP heroes are the only people not complaining because it's becoming easier for them?
Hey SgtKitteh I see your friend needs the help you got time ago, feel free to post some lfg's for gear runs.

Theres helpfull people out there, that will help your friend to gear himself. :)
TERA PC - General Discussion#25 sanj6604/07/2016, 08:55 AM
Chaotix453 on 04/07/2016, 07:07 AM - view
Call outs on the forum are against the rulesu, even if the players approved.

I'm glad you didn't label them as elitists though; they aren't any form of "elite" if they're IMSing KDNM for feedstock or vanguard dailies. It sucks that they were toxic pretty much for the sake of being toxic, but try not to let it get to you. Chances are you'll never have to meet them again. If you're on TR and need someone to run you through KDNM, try whispering me sometime. If I'm online, I'll probably be able to put together a group for you.


thing is they are, i know both well........they're not that great either but believe they are better than the rest.....
Azuunyan7 on 04/07/2016, 08:47 AM - view
Hey SgtKitteh I see your friend needs the help you got time ago, feel free to post some lfg's for gear runs.

Theres helpfull people out there, that will help your friend to gear himself. :)


Yea dude I remember you, thanks for that time on my brawler. Usually I play with him but today we had a sleepover so I cbf'd lol.
cause those r baddies (crave and yoshida) not particularly skilled players, in a guild by themselves and no 1 really give a [filtered] about them so being rude to newbies in ims is the most fun thing for them to do.

these are probably the same type of players who cry that the game is dead when they shut down new players like that
TERA PC - General Discussion#28 voidy04/07/2016, 09:40 AM
Everyone brings something to the table with IMS. Like, no one does it without expecting something in return. Sometimes that "something" is as simple as wanting to kill some time, but more often than not it's a need for gear or feedstock that drives players to run with randoms.

In that context, anyone who bites the bullet and goes with a random assortment of people should brace for that, no matter how much it sucks. You're going for gear? That's nice. This guy's going for feedstock. You should've both just wished each other good luck on the rolls at that point, since the alternative -- stalling, fighting, making bosses reset -- only [filtered]s over everyone. Back when I needed dread, I'd end up in parties with brawlers all the time, always rolling on all the metal gear. I needed the metal gear too, so I'd roll on it as well, and then they'd get upset like they had some claim over it or something. Newsflash: other people exist in your group, and they're in it for their own personal reasons.

This is coming from someone who IMSes all the time and passes on pretty much everything except the crystal box at the end. I do that, but it's my choice. Other people can choose not to, and you have to respect their decision. They're sinking their time into a run and you think they'd just be cool with walking away with nothing? Both sides are unreasonable in that regard. A compromise could've easily been reached. Maybe the feedstock kiddos roll on gear that isn't needed, while the people who need gear roll on their stuff when it actually drops. And then "buy gear," that's the dumbest [filtered] thing I've ever heard. Buying feedstock is more reasonable in that context, since gear goes for thousands of gold per piece.

tldr you're all wrong for different reasons. MAN, I remember when everyone wanted dread spars and we'd get that one guy who'd say "need spars" as if everyone was just going to pass on them for him even though everyone else was only in it for spars themselves. Like, I get announcing when you need stuff, but sometimes you've gotta realize that other people are in it for their own reasons and they won't always be willing to waste a run on no results.
TERA PC - General Discussion#29 Sykeeee04/07/2016, 09:48 AM
ShawnSsi on 04/07/2016, 07:15 AM - view
Nice :D
Well just to be clear on one thing
Nothing and absolutely nothing is reserved for anyone in IM, just pray to RNG and hope you get it. If you desperately need something then like you said, LFG for it and make a RES run. Don't get all salty when people gonna roll on your items when they don't need it, its not reserved for you. Everyone wants a profit, if you want it, you can pay the person to pass or simply just roll and hope for the best. Just because others are +15 means that they should pass for you, its a profit system, if they pass on items, aren't they running the IM for nothing? We aren't running a charity here yo.


Lolwat u must be poor as hell my friend 48 t8 feedstock is wat 500 gold? Is it really too hard for u to give up 500 gold to help out a newer player?
TERA PC - General Discussion#30 ShawnSsi04/07/2016, 09:51 AM
Sykeeee on 04/07/2016, 09:48 AM - view
Lolwat u must be poor as hell my friend 48 t8 feedstock is wat 500 gold? Is it really too hard for u to give up 500 gold to help out a newer player?


Its a choice and I didn't feel like it :)
TERA PC - General Discussion#31 Jerichow04/07/2016, 09:56 AM
Honestly a system I think would drastically help in this game is in the "entry dungeons" like KDNM, CW, and the like, or even maybe in all dungeons is a "Need Roll" system.

Basically it works like this:

When you go to roll on an item, obviously everyone can roll on it. However everyone gets a single, one-time-use 'Need' Roll for that dungeon instance.

Basically how it works is if someone rolls a 100 on a regular roll and you roll a 1 on a 'Need' roll, essentially you rolled a 101, and so you will get the item.

If two people do a 'Need' roll, then the same rules apply, whoever gets the higher need roll wins, and both Need Rolls are exhausted.

Yes, I'm aware that in select scenarios, this can be 'abused' but let's all be honest here. Everything in this game can be 'abused' in one way or another to some degree. The single roll per instance limit prevents people from spamming Need rolls at every boss.

This way, those who need items can do a Need roll and have a much higher chance to get it over Mr. I Need Feedstocks, but only on that one single item. So yeah, Mr. Feedstocks might pull a need roll on boots, but now he just guaranteed he will lose out on the weapon crate to you if it drops.
TERA PC - General Discussion#32 Flamings04/07/2016, 10:02 AM
Isn't your approach kind of arrogant ? those items don't belong to anyone... saying people NEED to pass the item so you can have it is quite selfish. 500g or not, its still gold and they're still "wasting" their time running the dungeon just as you do, and therefor can roll if they need it.

To sum it up, you basically say you deserve it, to have people carry you and then not even get any loot. again I find it quite arrogant the least. Also from my experience most of those newbs have absolutely no problem rolling on fodder when no one needs the gear, which makes it even worst.
They expect everyone to pass on the gear they need yet they keep rolling on fodder (When I still needed gear I wouldn't touch the fodder if people had to pass on stuff for my gear).

Its an IMS, and if you're going to IMS... be prepared for anything. Don't like it? as said before you can make your own lfg , join a guild etc. its a harsh way, but you really can't expect complete strangers over the internet to spend their time and get nothing in return just because you "need" it more.
TERA PC - General Discussion#33 voidy04/07/2016, 10:03 AM
Jerichow on 04/07/2016, 09:56 AM - view
Honestly a system I think would drastically help in this game is in the "entry dungeons" like KDNM, CW, and the like, or even maybe in all dungeons is a "Need Roll" system.

Basically it works like this:

When you go to roll on an item, obviously everyone can roll on it. However everyone gets a single, one-time-use 'Need' Roll for that dungeon instance.

Basically how it works is if someone rolls a 100 on a regular roll and you roll a 1 on a 'Need' roll, essentially you rolled a 101, and so you will get the item.

If two people do a 'Need' roll, then the same rules apply, whoever gets the higher need roll wins, and both Need Rolls are exhausted.

Yes, I'm aware that in select scenarios, this can be 'abused' but let's all be honest here. Everything in this game can be 'abused' in one way or another to some degree. The single roll per instance limit prevents people from spamming Need rolls at every boss.

This way, those who need items can do a Need roll and have a much higher chance to get it over Mr. I Need Feedstocks, but only on that one single item. So yeah, Mr. Feedstocks might pull a need roll on boots, but now he just guaranteed he will lose out on the weapon crate to you if it drops.


This would help a lot. Hell, even a simpler solution like letting players run these dungeons more than twice a day (oh, sorry, four times if you're willing to pay for the privilege to grind more), would alleviate a LOT of anxiety. If you can always say "well, next run might be better" then you're less likely to get frustrated a opposed to the current system, where you miss out on your drop and have to wait until tomorrow to try again.
TERA PC - General Discussion#34 Calla04/07/2016, 10:06 AM
I've been playing for several years and I can tell you it's not just new players. I have had the same thing happen to me time and time again. Just this month I've lost 1 roll to a brawler who acknowledged that they knew I needed the gloves (leather) but they thought that they deserved it because they are superior to the team overall. (Not even kidding, they spent a solid couple of minutes saying how they were the greatest and our team should kill themselves and/or uninstall). And had one run of frickin Channelworks where the brawler (Do trolls go for brawler specifically? I swear...) said that I shouldn't have queued without full +12. I'm not NEW to channelworks, they just didn't like my gear. I was trying to get schisma gear, and I don't understand what their issue is. I've had the same thing with others who didn't actually read that a piece of gear wasn't for their class (IE priest rolling on sorc gloves and vice versa... wow I have bad luck with gloves...). It's always been around. People are selfish, it's nothing new, unfortunately.
TERA PC - General Discussion#35 Aetona04/07/2016, 10:08 AM
I love how people are saying "just make an lfg, you can res what you need there". Do you really think someone who is brand new and doesn't have a friend to help them, is going to lfg? They won't even know what lfg is, as the game tells you how to ims. Every new player is going to ims for their gear, and if it's really that hard to pass for the new players, maybe you should be the one to lfg.
TERA PC - General Discussion#36 Calla04/07/2016, 10:11 AM
ShawnSsi on 04/07/2016, 09:51 AM - view
Its a choice and I didn't feel like it :)

I hope we run into each other sometime, I'd love to see you in their boots :)
TERA PC - General Discussion#37 Ginjitsu04/07/2016, 10:16 AM
ShawnSsi on 04/07/2016, 07:15 AM - view
Nice :D
Well just to be clear on one thing
Nothing and absolutely nothing is reserved for anyone in IM, just pray to RNG and hope you get it. If you desperately need something then like you said, LFG for it and make a RES run. Don't get all salty when people gonna roll on your items when they don't need it, its not reserved for you. Everyone wants a profit, if you want it, you can pay the person to pass or simply just roll and hope for the best. Just because others are +15 means that they should pass for you, its a profit system, if they pass on items, aren't they running the IM for nothing? We aren't running a charity here yo.

Dungeons like Channelworks, Bathysmal Rise and Kalivan's Dreadnaught have always been about gearing up and helping others. If you want to do a fodder run, do it through LFG so everyone who joins can agree that its a fodder run.

Why can't you just let them have the gear they need and ask them to pass on the rest...

I find it silly that common sense has to be explained, and retarded that a +15 would use IMS to farm for FS. FIHM Vanguard daily gives you 50x T9 FS, plenty of Noct and gold.
Flamings on 04/07/2016, 10:02 AM - view
Isn't your approach kind of arrogant ? those items don't belong to anyone... saying people NEED to pass the item so you can have it is quite selfish. 500g or not, its still gold and they're still "wasting" their time running the dungeon just as you do, and therefor can roll if they need it.

To sum it up, you basically say you deserve it, to have people carry you and then not even get any loot. again I find it quite arrogant the least. Also from my experience most of those newbs have absolutely no problem rolling on fodder when no one needs the gear, which makes it even worst.
They expect everyone to pass on the gear they need yet they keep rolling on fodder (When I still needed gear I wouldn't touch the fodder if people had to pass on stuff for my gear).

Its an IMS, and if you're going to IMS... be prepared for anything. Don't like it? as said before you can make your own lfg , join a guild etc. its a harsh way, but you really can't expect complete strangers over the internet to spend their time and get nothing in return just because you "need" it more.


No, I don't deserve it, because I'm in +15 lucid.

My friend doesn't deserve it, nor does the 2 new players, but they do NEED it, and you can't deny that.

My point is not that people should pass gear to every new player they see.

What I'm getting at is the attitude that people have towards new players, and that they should at least be a bit more friendlier.

Did you even look at the screenshot?
Telling a newbie to lfg for their run might not be as easy especially if it's his/her 1st character at end game level 65. They must have a reason why they IMS it in the 1st place. Some new players can be a be a bit timid making lfg or don't have many friends or guild to help out so it's tough for them. Most LFG's are always having +12/+15 requirement. Nowadays most people who are +15 won't even join that person's lfg. This probably forces the person to queue alone, which takes so much time depending on what class they're playing. I've heard where people queue 20+ min and then get kicked. If people are gearing but have the right setup such as crystals and stuff, give them a chance.

It is true that IMS is not a charity thing. You never know what to expect when IMS. Most people who queue up from different server can be a bit difficult to deal with, it's just how it is in the mmo world. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and deal with it and hope for the next IMS will be nice people.

Then again once in a while you can get real lucky and meet the nicest people ever with the nicest attitudes, who don't mind passing the gear or helping. For a player who doesn't have many friends or a guild, it's hard for for him/her to gear up if they keep getting kicked or face the situation that the op mentioned about their friend. The only way would b they would need to win the roll in the party when others roll but that becomes difficult relying on rng.

There are people who also get kicked and can never gear up properly or are just unlucky getting outrolled time and time again. How else can the person gear up? To tell them to buy gear is wrong. A new player at endgame level 65 wouldn't have the money to buy the gear let alone masterworking/enchanting is a whole different story. Not judging or saying anything about Yoshida but to tell someone to buy gear like that is the wrong message. I totally understand that others are in there for the feedstock or whatever. Even if the player had the money, it's not smart to buy the gear because it can be earned in the dungeon easily. Is this what part of the community is about? Sending the wrong messages. Lot of new players get misdirected like this and either quit or never enjoy the game because they can't reach their potential. There are veteran players out there who need to do a better job conveying the right message but I feel this is where some of the issue is that most players in this category either don't care or don't spend that extra second to relate the right message.

So Player A says,"Oh I will roll everything" Then player B mentions,"I need gear" . So whoever says whatever first is the king of that run? Or vice versa, it's like someone wants to b the leader of that run and say what they want. It's not fair for the others. Obviously player A says that they will roll on everything is where the issue begins and causes stir from at least 2 or 3 people in the party. Instead of saying that, the person should ask,"Does anyone need gear?" and then go on from there.


Instead of creating such a fight, everyone could've came to some kind of agreement. Most people I've seen where they need gear and they're okay passing on starfall mats, which works in favor for the rest of the people. Some are there just for fun and don't mind passing the gear. I can understand the frustration between both sides but there is always a way to agree on something and prevent this from happening in the 1st place.
And then you have those people who after asking for they gear, don't have the decency on dropping in the pieces they don't need. And RNG favors them and they end up with most fs and even the terebins and bezoar, after being totally carried.

Talk about fairness.
i think this is a good example of why people say there is a lack of community, or that the community is somewhat toxic in na_tera.

nonetheless, the people that wanted feedstock did nothing wrong. they were simply d*cks, that's all. in fact, the op is at wrong here calling out players.

before this drags any longer, I think spacecats should erase/lock-up this thread :o
TERA PC - General Discussion#42 Jerichow04/07/2016, 10:58 AM
Virtualoid on 04/07/2016, 10:26 AM - view
And then you have those people who after asking for they gear, don't have the decency on dropping in the pieces they don't need. And RNG favors them and they end up with most fs and even the terebins and bezoar, after being totally carried.

Talk about fairness.


I've noticed that. Whether I'm doing KDNM or FINM I'm always kind of at a loss when the person who spent the most time kissing the floor ends up with the Starfall mats, weapon crates, or in Velik's event, the Terebins.
seraphinush on 04/07/2016, 10:44 AM - view
i think this is a good example of why people say there is a lack of community, or that the community is somewhat toxic in na_tera.

nonetheless, the people that wanted feedstock did nothing wrong. they were simply d*cks, that's all. in fact, the op is at wrong here calling out players.

before this drags any longer, I think spacecats should erase/lock-up this thread :o


If I wanted to call them out I would've jumped on AV lol. I don't care about calling them out, the thread was made to raise awareness about how new players are being pushed away by behaviors like these.
TERA PC - General Discussion#44 xxanderr04/07/2016, 11:24 AM
Wanna know what Russians did about that and what EmE will never do, cuz they are too busy doing crappy reward systems? If you use IMS for dungeons, you automatically get class loot set up. It's by default in RuTera IMS. EmE just doesn't care about newbies. They are too lazy to change default loot settings to class loot.
don't ask. make them give gear to you. show dominance. threaten their children. eat their snacks. go to their house and just stare at them. you deserve that gear, you better show how much u want it.

buncha pansies being all polite n [filtered]
TERA PC - General Discussion#46 ShawnSsi04/07/2016, 04:08 PM
Calla on 04/07/2016, 10:11 AM - view
I hope we run into each other sometime, I'd love to see you in their boots :)

Sure thing :) But the only thing is I won't actually NEED the gear so yeah, pretty sure I won't fit into their shoes :)
Another point to note, if someone desperately needs the gear, he could either pay people a small sum to carry him/her on their respective server, pretty sure every server has this (at least for AV we do sell gear runs to newbies for a affordable price) IM isn't a place where you automatically get gear if you need them, in no way does anyone owe you your gear or materials. Same thing applies in real life, just because you're dirt poor in real life doesn't mean the rich have to sponsor you, no one owes you a living.
TERA PC - General Discussion#47 Mobius104/07/2016, 04:21 PM
In a thriving community, noobs simply pay it back, later on. Instead of being so bloody greedy, set the example for them. One day, when they are in the position to help the new generation of noobs, they will be more likely to.

Just tell them, "To pay me back, just do the same for others, some day."
feazeshero on 04/07/2016, 10:23 AM - view
Telling a newbie to lfg for their run might not be as easy especially if it's his/her 1st character at end game level 65. They must have a reason why they IMS it in the 1st place. Some new players can be a bit timid making lfg or don't have many friends or guild to help out so it's tough for them. Most LFG's are always having +12/+15 requirement. Nowadays most people who are +15 won't even join that person's lfg. This probably forces the person to queue alone, which takes so much time depending on what class they're playing. I've heard where people queue 20+ min and then get kicked. If people are gearing but have the right setup such as crystals and stuff, give them a chance.

There are people who also get kicked and can never gear up properly or are just unlucky getting outrolled time and time again. How else can the person gear up? To tell them to buy gear is wrong. A new player at endgame level 65 wouldn't have the money to buy the gear let alone masterworking/enchanting is a whole different story.


When I started I ran through IMS because no one would take me, friends that told me to join left me in the dust, and I didn't even know I had the wrong crystals for a year and a half because no one told me. I didn't really understand what guides were talking about and I was generally ignored by alot of people when I tried to ask people questions. People also rolled on gear even when I needed it. It took me awhile just to get steadfast. It took me three months and I only got it after I joined a guild.

However, while I was taking time to get gear from dungeons, in the first three months I played, I was easily making 300k-500k gold per month. So I'm pretty sure new players should have the gold to buy gear. They even get free gold from the storyline quest now. Even if they wanted to stick with idoneal for awhile, its crap but they can still make gold while using it. I was smart with my gold and I invested in the broker and followed events. Gold is even easier to get now. I was able to make 210k in just a week and a half just this week recently by selling random things from just running crap dungeons like TSNM/KDNM/CW/FINM.

Telling them to buy gear is stupid, but its doable. Even then, if they really wanted to do endgame content, they could just sell EMP or do IoD crap to get free schisma. They can one piece of schisma everyday if they took it slow and they could get gold from it too. They also get free vanguard credits from the storyline now which results in MWAs. So, that covers alks and gear, feedstock, they could just use their gold from the storyline to buy cheap T7 feedstock.

I really don't see a problem.
TERA PC - General Discussion#49 Mobius104/07/2016, 04:28 PM
ILikeTeddyBears on 04/07/2016, 04:21 PM - view
I really don't see a problem.


I believe this is the OP's whole point. If people had a kinder attitude towards newbies, then they would see a problem.
They give newbies free gold and free vanguard credits to get at least schisma. Schisma can also be obtained from the IoD from dailies. Dreadnaught I can kind of understand, not really honestly, I came back after a break and geared up 2 healers in full +12 DN in a week and I had less than 500g in my bank when I came back.
guess im lucky. i did a lot of IMs for a lot of dgs and still do them, and never had such people.

these kind of people are actually killers of tera btw. sorry a new player wont care if he/she can make it other ways, cus they wont know about it. game tells them to IM, so they do that. not everybody lives the same way you do, so dont expect them to do the things way you would(even tho its a blatant lie. you simply dont get in lfg without +12).

there's this thing called decency. learn it you [filtered] people.
What server is your friend on? I'd be happy to help him get situated :D I really hate when this happens as well, but there are always baddies
InvaderSqueak on 04/07/2016, 05:01 PM - view
What server is your friend on? I'd be happy to help him get situated :D I really hate when this happens as well, but there are always baddies


Same here, I'm on TR and I've already min/maxed my character as far as it can go. If anyone needs help I'm dying to do things. I can only handle so much fihm a day XD
TERA PC - General Discussion#54 Feefili04/07/2016, 06:46 PM
Some newbies are horrendous though.

They'll say they need a piece of gear, when they're only +9 schisma, and made a total of 3% damage on each boss. Then they'll also roll on VM BoP materials.
Feefili on 04/07/2016, 06:46 PM - view
Some newbies are horrendous though.

They'll say they need a piece of gear, when they're only +9 schisma, and made a total of 3% damage on each boss. Then they'll also roll on VM BoP materials.


Pretty much. I honestly want to help newbies but most of the time, they're kinda dip[filtered]s that don't deserve any of the gear, let alone the loot.
ILikeTeddyBears on 04/07/2016, 04:35 PM - view
They give newbies free gold and free vanguard credits to get at least schisma. Schisma can also be obtained from the IoD from dailies. Dreadnaught I can kind of understand, not really honestly, I came back after a break and geared up 2 healers in full +12 DN in a week and I had less than 500g in my bank when I came back.


(This might sound sarcastic but it really isn't)

Not everyone is skilled in the game like you to make that much gold in a month, not for maybe most of the new players anyway.

At some point they do need to learn to get their own gear and buy their things, but until then all I'm asking is if you just see a blue weapon in KDNM, just know that they might need some help passing gear.

:/
SgtKitteh on 04/07/2016, 07:20 PM - view
(This might sound sarcastic but it really isn't)

Not everyone is skilled in the game like you to make that much gold in a month, not for maybe most of the new players anyway.

At some point they do need to learn to get their own gear and buy their things, but until then all I'm asking is if you just see a blue weapon in KDNM, just know that they might need some help passing gear.

:/


Given they don't start screaming [filtered] at the other parties members, then I would be fine with passing on the gear. However, most of the time, people [filtered] at other people for the smallest [filtered] in IMS. Generally with IMS, the newbies [filtered] the most about not getting carried and not getting free [filtered] from veteran players from what I've experienced anyway.
TERA PC - General Discussion#58 Saxblade04/07/2016, 09:03 PM
Azlin217 on 04/07/2016, 07:15 AM - view
I have run into this same issue myself. I just returned this week after almost 3 yrs away. I have a founder account but left after my guild moved on to other games. So much has changed I'm almost learning everything all over and am guildless atm so IMS is my only way to re-learn and gear up. I'm just starting Schisma gear and it seems asking someone not to roll on items i need and they don't only encourages them to do it.

and a question.... I was almost kicked from a group formed from instance matching in the Training version of...(forgot the name sorry, where the Schisma gear drops) for being in all Idoneal gear and wep. What should i have been wearing? and where to get it? I have 5 more 60 char to get to 65 so want to get it right next time if i missed something.


Try Channelworks! That's a better way to get your gears since it's a 3 player dungeon and you'll most likely run into players with higher tier gears.
TERA PC - General Discussion#59 Saxblade04/07/2016, 09:05 PM
I don't mind if I don't get the item I rolled for. There's always a next time.
TERA PC - General Discussion#60 RKC04/07/2016, 09:57 PM
Am I the only one here who is still kind and nice to noobs or to anyone in the game? If so I deserve a prize.

Anyway about OP, yes you will always run into those people, they dont care and wont care at all. The communities actions in the reflection on what EME and BHS is doing to the game... If they are poorly managing the game and players are angry then that will reflect on what players will do inside the game.

Long short story just make an LFG and run for gear.. As for me I always pass gear to those who need it.

The last time I ran into those type of players is when I was getting my metal DPS glove for brawler and some random reaper rolled for it and when I asked why she rolled do you know what that player said. "You cant tell me what to do" so if you are sulking for that then you in for a ride.
I get there are no special rules in IM and nothing is actually reserved. However, what happened to "look to those who walked before, to lead those who walk after"? Only takes a little common sense and courtesy to let people in your run knows.
After 7 pages I think its time to close this thread and sum it up of sorts. Thank you for all your input.

Lets try to be a bit nicer to new players and show them the better part of the community.

(of course if they are an [filtered] then you [filtered] slap them back to where ever the [filtered] they come from)
Read this post, get into my KDNM, there's a raging [filtered]. LOL.
ShawnSsi on 04/07/2016, 04:08 PM - view
Another point to note, if someone desperately needs the gear, he could pay people a small sum to carry him/her on their respective server, pretty sure every server has this (at least for AV we do sell gear runs to newbies for a affordable price)


LMAO, I died.
TERA PC - General Discussion#65 Yamazuki04/08/2016, 08:31 AM
ShawnSsi on 04/07/2016, 07:15 AM - view
Nice :D
Well just to be clear on one thing
Nothing and absolutely nothing is reserved for anyone in IM, just pray to RNG and hope you get it. If you desperately need something then like you said, LFG for it and make a RES run. Don't get all salty when people gonna roll on your items when they don't need it, its not reserved for you. Everyone wants a profit, if you want it, you can pay the person to pass or simply just roll and hope for the best. Just because others are +15 means that they should pass for you, its a profit system, if they pass on items, aren't they running the IM for nothing? We aren't running a charity here yo.

If you're after "profit" then using IMS is not profitable from a time:gold perspective, the runs are much slower compared to just making fod runs through lfg, then there's also varying que times. You would make more gold staring at the broker during that time than actually carrying new players.
TERA PC - General Discussion#66 Porkchan04/08/2016, 01:52 PM
ShawnSsi on 04/07/2016, 07:15 AM - view
Nice :D
Well just to be clear on one thing
Nothing and absolutely nothing is reserved for anyone in IM, just pray to RNG and hope you get it. If you desperately need something then like you said, LFG for it and make a RES run. Don't get all salty when people gonna roll on your items when they don't need it, its not reserved for you. Everyone wants a profit, if you want it, you can pay the person to pass or simply just roll and hope for the best. Just because others are +15 means that they should pass for you, its a profit system, if they pass on items, aren't they running the IM for nothing? We aren't running a charity here yo.


While it's true you're not OBLIGATED to be a decent human being, I guess some people just choose not to be.
Porkchan on 04/08/2016, 01:52 PM - view
While it's true you're not OBLIGATED to be a decent human being, I guess some people just choose not to be.


too bad everyone's definition of "Decent" is different.
TERA PC - General Discussion#68 Zajchik04/09/2016, 09:18 AM
ShawnSsi on 04/07/2016, 07:15 AM - view
Nice :D
Well just to be clear on one thing
Nothing and absolutely nothing is reserved for anyone in IM, just pray to RNG and hope you get it. If you desperately need something then like you said, LFG for it and make a RES run. Don't get all salty when people gonna roll on your items when they don't need it, its not reserved for you. Everyone wants a profit, if you want it, you can pay the person to pass or simply just roll and hope for the best. Just because others are +15 means that they should pass for you, its a profit system, if they pass on items, aren't they running the IM for nothing? We aren't running a charity here yo.


I just felt like I should point something out about this. I spent well over an hour trying to LFG a KDNM gear run for my Warrior. No one joins them because it's simply a waste of time to them. Why spend over an hour LFG'd when you can queue and wait thirty seconds and then just ask? If the player is polite and carries their weight in the dungeon, there's simply no reason to not pass on something that they actually need to progress in the game (to do the higher ilvl instances).
seraphinush on 04/07/2016, 10:44 AM - view
i think this is a good example of why people say there is a lack of community, or that the community is somewhat toxic in na_tera.

nonetheless, the people that wanted feedstock did nothing wrong. they were simply d*cks, that's all. in fact, the op is at wrong here calling out players.

before this drags any longer, I think spacecats should erase/lock-up this thread :o


Mate, the fact that people are unfriendly towards noobs is absolutely unacceptable.

I mean, come on...we were all noobs once, amirite?

So please help other noobs. That's what the OP is trying to get at.

There is nothing else to be said here.
TheRealKingCrazy on 04/09/2016, 09:54 AM - view
I mean, come on...we were all noobs once, amirite?


We were all newbies, sure. But we didn't all go around demanding stuff just because we graced a party with our presence nor did we repeatedly reset a boss to spite people for not agreeing to our demands. That's terrorism, man, and if American TV has taught me anything it's "you don't negotiate."
TERA PC - General Discussion#71 Madoif04/09/2016, 12:16 PM
I'm not replying to the pictures or the context of the thread, but the title.

There is no reason to be nice to new players. My experience with leveling up 16 characters has shown me that new players don't listen to advice and think they're hot [filtered].I may seem like an elitist [filtered], but it's not worth extending your hand out to 90% of players. Of course there are exceptions to everything but generally until they prove themselves by being actual decent human beings to everyone around them I don't bother to help them. It's real easy for new people to throw the elitist label when really it's them who don't give a damn about what they do that affects the attitude of veterans.
IsamiGunbara on 04/07/2016, 07:06 AM - view
The fact that things like this still happen is sad. I don't mind if people need gear in dungeons, but my thing is you have to speak up. If you do not say anything in chat and we roll on something you need and then you become angered because we rolled, then that is YOUR fault not ours. However,if you need a certain piece of equipment most players won't mind passing on it.


Most players I played with are unwilling to do so.

Every dungeon I play the first thing I ask is to set loot for class restricted but always get neglected and I better wait to get kicked and start over instance matchin.

Veteran's behaviors are the cause this game is losing players, not BHS not EME.
ElinUsagi on 04/09/2016, 12:44 PM - view
Veteran's behaviors are the cause this game is losing players, not BHS not EME.


I shall amend my evil ways, I'm sorry. From now on, I shall demand I be given uncontested loot without offering anything in return and if my request were to be denied, I shall reset bosses in retaliation. Because, apparently, that's what decent people do and I want to be decent.
Blanket statements and assessments and the inability to come to compromise is what is killing the community. Everyone knows everything and how it should and shouldn't be. Hence why Enmasse doesn't get cut slack for what they can and can't do. And why "noobs", "veterans" and "elites" all get categorized and talked down about. This is a pointless war and time wasted that could be used to get gear, mats, feedstock or alk. Used to have fun and make friends.

You play a game with a lot of other people. No need to belittle.

As for the feedstock debate, heres my thing as to why I give people gear. It is RNG what drops. A person may run 20 KDNM and not see their piece or someone else got it. This person finally sees it and is the only one who needs it to complete their gear. If I only need feedstock, something that is readily available in every dungeon, is not RNG related. Why would I take from them something I know they may not see again for a while. Their time is worth that much less then mine? No. I give them that piece and run again. There are plenty of runs that I can roll for feedstock something not dictated by RNG. Plenty of runs where people don't say what they need and I roll. I've seen RNG enough to know, it sucks for some why would I make it worse.

At the same time, new people shouldn't be greedy either. Chances are the dice won't fall perfectly for you and everything is for you. Only roll on what you need. Be fair. Everyones time is worth something.

There are people on the other side of the computer and time keeps ticking forward. Play the game for fun, but not at someones expense. We all set the tone for the community.
TERA PC - General Discussion#75 pituco04/09/2016, 03:02 PM
Lol dude.. guy you want to start the game and want everything facio?
complicated .. !! today everything is easy and still want to pass it, no and no!
we also need to feed weapons or gold!
Also, to the people reading this, if you IMS for anything, don't be like this one tank I got yesterday. We're in FINM, Viyor is doing the big purple thingy and the lancer runs up to the reaper and the gunner, holds his block and just types in "I GOT YOU FAM." Then proceeds to die. He proceeded to do it a lot more. Please don't do this. Ever.
TERA PC - General Discussion#77 Klice04/09/2016, 08:12 PM
This debate is never ending and will always be because their are so many ways to see it. I personally will pass for people that 'need' in IM most of the time but that doesnt mean that giving to the 'needy' is always right way to go.

Lets say I run 150 Kdnm since it was released. I have Starfall weapon at +14 and need to farm feedstock to enchant it, so i IM to farm feed cause I dont feel like lfg'ing etc. If this is my 151st Kdnm and a schisma +6 reaper comes in and is dead the entire boss fight on his 1st Kdnm run... I'm supposed to pass him the gear/feedstock? Not roll giving each of us an equal chance? Not to mention 2-3 of the other members pass cause they are nice as well. That's giving him a 50% shot at the best gear he'll ever obtain by literally being floor carried. I say it's a good deal and more people should probably roll on others 'needs' in IM. BUTTT I'm still nice and pass like 99% of the time even though I disagree with it lol.
SgtKitteh on 04/08/2016, 01:48 AM - view
After 7 pages I think its time to close this thread and sum it up of sorts. Thank you for all your input.

Lets try to be a bit nicer to new players and show them the better part of the community.

(of course if they are an [filtered] then you [filtered] slap them back to where ever the [filtered] they come from)


As you can see I sort of wanted to close the dicussion at page 7.

Most of you guys are giving examples of new players being complete [filtered]s, well in which case you can roll on whatever they need and have a clear conscience about it, that was made clear in my previous post as you can see above.

What I'm begging for is that UNTIL you see that they are complete [filtered]s, give them a chance to prove they are not.

Is that so hard?
SgtKitteh on 04/09/2016, 08:18 PM - view

What I'm begging for is that UNTIL you see that they are complete [filtered]s, give them a chance to prove they are not.

Is that so hard?


The moment you say "I need this" and expect people to pass on it without bothering to add "but I'll pass on everything else", you qualify as a greedy prick. You don't get to guarantee your fair share of the loot and then roll on other people's shares and think you still have anything to prove.
TERA PC - General Discussion#80 Lyem04/09/2016, 09:41 PM
Mount Tyrannas... demanding gear and crying out loud when denied... are you in touch fluffy tail? rofl.

Also, knowing you, you're the best example of someone who doesn't do their part in runs and yet roll on everything, i doubt your friend is different, but you're both wrong, IM is for people who actually know what they're doing and can guarantee their part, if you have an undergeared guy who needs everything you're supposed to get your friends and do a guildie/friend run so you guys can pass for him, do not expect others to do the things you're supposed to, that if you call yourself a "friend".

Afterall, we have to remember that it is thanks to those "veterans" that the dungeon was, in 80% of the time cleared, nobody read guides anymore, and if you tell your friends to IM instead of bringing him with you, you're doing nothing aswell.
TERA PC - General Discussion#81 Laemie04/09/2016, 09:44 PM
Pretty much what Magimay said, its also 1 of the reasons why i dont queue for "Gearing" dungeons anymore, not because of the veteran players but because of the greedy "newbies". Saying "I need" without adding "I'll pass on everything else", how would other players know you wouldnt roll on everything even though you'v got your needed things. So when they go ahead and roll, its really easy to understand.

When you say "I need" and other ppl pass, its not that they dont need it but they're giving up their own needs for yours so atleast pass on other things when you'v already got what you need.

When i did IMS for KDnm alot before, ppl went in and be like "I NEED THIS THAT", sure i passed, and at the end, they won both the spar and the crystal box, seriously, if i could "pass" my VG credits, i would too - That what i was thinking.

Im still happy to join any gearing run in LFG though, atleast that is where ppl with common sense are.
Lyem on 04/09/2016, 09:41 PM - view
Afterall, we have to remember that it is thanks to those "veterans" that the dungeon was, in 80% of the time cleared, nobody read guides anymore, and if you tell your friends to IM instead of bringing him with you, you're doing nothing aswell.


There's nothing wrong if nobody read guides.

You are wrong here, even without those veterans new players can clear dungeons.

Talking about being greedy.
ElinUsagi on 04/10/2016, 01:31 AM - view
There's nothing wrong if nobody read guides.

You are wrong here, even without those veterans new players can clear dungeons.

Talking about being greedy.


If veterans agreed to restrict the loot for clases this would be easier, but the first thing veterans do is vote against that or ignore it.

Who are the greedies here?
Lyem on 04/09/2016, 09:41 PM - view
Mount Tyrannas... demanding gear and crying out loud when denied... are you in touch fluffy tail? rofl.


Salty because you have to play with the same 3 people everytime on highwatch?
ElinUsagi on 04/10/2016, 01:34 AM - view
If veterans agreed to restrict the loot for clases this would be easier, but the first thing veterans do is vote against that or ignore it.

Who are the greedies here?


It's not about greed. It's about class loot being pointless and unfair.
TERA PC - General Discussion#86 Venpai04/10/2016, 02:41 AM
TWMagimay on 04/10/2016, 02:32 AM - view
It's not about greed. It's about class loot being pointless and unfair.


how is it unfair? the classes that can roll on the piece can roll and can't get gear sniped unless another class can use it and is in the party. that would stop a lot of I GOT GEAR SNIPED complaints.

if nobody needs a piece of gear then the loot can be set to random so less tie is wasted on rolling.
TERA PC - General Discussion#87 Veldoran04/10/2016, 02:53 AM
Unfortunately this sort of [filtered] happens, I don't come across it often. Probably due to me 90% of the time being 1) Lead of the party and 2) Not taking any pissing contest bull[filtered] in the runs.

I can tell you right now. In IMS there can't really be any expectations so expect SELF ENTITLEMENT to be HIGH. Generally when 1 or 2 people begin to be [filtered]s I go to 3 options.

1) Manually position the boss so as it launches a heavy hitting attack it either almost kills or outright finishes off said trouble maker (usually requires the healer in my groups to be in agreement of disposing of a problem.

2) I sit back and watch as they die trying to tank the upcoming boss.

3) Doesn't always pan out well but kicking people or refusing to budge an inch until problem party leaves. (It's been successful twice in really difficult circumstances).

I suggest you take your friend into IMS and try to get the lead so you can have some measure of control within the party.

IMS has somewhat become the only viable way for new players to get by given the fact so many runs now are +12/15 skilled yadda yadda bla bla bla. Generally I ask at the start of a run if anyone needs anything and try my utmost to assist them.
Edited by: Veldoran less than a minute ago
Lyem on 04/09/2016, 09:41 PM
Mount Tyrannas... demanding gear and crying out loud when denied... are you in touch fluffy tail? rofl.

Also, knowing you, you're the best example of someone who doesn't do their part in runs and yet roll on everything, i doubt your friend is different, but you're both wrong, IM is for people who actually know what they're doing and can guarantee their part, if you have an undergeared guy who needs everything you're supposed to get your friends and do a guildie/friend run so you guys can pass for him, do not expect others to do the things you're supposed to, that if you call yourself a "friend".

Afterall, we have to remember that it is thanks to those "veterans" that the dungeon was, in 80% of the time cleared, nobody read guides anymore, and if you tell your friends to IM instead of bringing him with you, you're doing nothing aswell.


???

I'm in lucid +15 if you missed that.

I also have my tensus gear from the days I take a [filtered] on you in GvGs, but lets not go into there shall we?

Not every new player have friends to help them along the way, and if they don't they are just supposed to quit the game because IMS is for skilled and geared people, you reckon?

The rest of your post is irrelevant so apologies for not answering those.
Venpai on 04/10/2016, 02:41 AM - view
how is it unfair? the classes that can roll on the piece can roll and can't get gear sniped unless another class can use it and is in the party. that would stop a lot of I GOT GEAR SNIPED complaints.

if nobody needs a piece of gear then the loot can be set to random so less tie is wasted on rolling.


Because if you have 1 player with a certain item type(say, healer because nobody plays sorc), they get higher chance at getting gear that'd normally be available to everybody in the party. At the same time, unless you only run CW, you can never have only 1 of each armour type aka you can still get sniped.
TERA PC - General Discussion#90 Venpai04/10/2016, 03:25 AM
TWMagimay on 04/10/2016, 03:17 AM - view
Because if you have 1 player with a certain item type(say, healer because nobody plays sorc), they get higher chance at getting gear that'd normally be available to everybody in the party. At the same time, unless you only run CW, you can never have only 1 of each armour type aka you can still get sniped.


so it's unfair that the class that needs to gear should only get to roll on it? or is it unfair because you think people who want feedstock should get a chance to roll as well? i don't think i get why it's unfair if the latter isn't the case.

and i didn't say it would stop sniping, i just said it'd be less prevalent is all. :P
Guys, please remember that this discussion is for overall giving new players more love (until they prove that they are [filtered] [filtered]s), not about passing gear to people. Heck, passing gear was what started this discussion, but not the point of it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#92 Venpai04/10/2016, 04:11 AM
SgtKitteh on 04/10/2016, 03:33 AM - view
Guys, please remember that this discussion is for overall giving new players more love (until they prove that they are [filtered] [filtered]s), not about passing gear to people. Heck, passing gear was what started this discussion, but not the point of it.


very true.

on topic, why don't people just treat others the way they want to be treated? the golden rule we learned when we were like seven? makes me weep for humanity sometimes.
Venpai on 04/10/2016, 03:25 AM - view
so it's unfair that the class that needs to gear should only get to roll on it? or is it unfair because you think people who want feedstock should get a chance to roll as well? i don't think i get why it's unfair if the latter isn't the case.


So, you mean to tell me you'd enter a run and need both gloves and boots from a 5men dungeon that drops 5 items total. And you think you have the right to get 2 of them? And that's not greedy?
TERA PC - General Discussion#94 Venpai04/10/2016, 04:40 AM
TWMagimay on 04/10/2016, 04:19 AM - view
So, you mean to tell me you'd enter a run and need both gloves and boots from a 5men dungeon that drops 5 items total. And you think you have the right to get 2 of them? And that's not greedy?


okay let me just make sure i'm understanding what you mean, because i genuinely want to make sure i get it (i need to stop being on the forums at 4 am)

do you mean like... if i'm with another reaper and we both need gloves and boots, and we're the only leather classes, it's greedy to roll on both? because it's not... we both need it, so we both roll for it. that's logical. i've never seen anyone get mad at someone for doing that. (unless there was doubles of the same item and person a rolled after getting the first one so person b didn't get it either.. THAT'S a diick move.) though if they asked me hey you got x can i have y i would happily pass on it.

it would be better if doubles dropped for these things, just so more people had a chance for their stuff. i think that would help people gear a bit faster. especially for gloves and weps.

tbh there isn't going to be a perfect solution to make everyone happy and let's be real enmass isn't going to listen to any suggestions because they have other things they wanna mess with.





Venpai on 04/10/2016, 04:40 AM - view
okay let me just make sure i'm understanding what you mean, because i genuinely want to make sure i get it (i need to stop being on the forums at 4 am)


OK, here's a hypothetical:
A brawler, a gunner, a reaper, an archer and a priest get matched in KD NM. They set class loot. The priest needs a weapon, the brawler needs a spar, the archer needs a chest, the gunner needs gloves, nobody needs boots. Now, let's assume that nobody will roll on an item that somebody else needs(aka, the brawler will get his spar and, yes, please, suspend your disbelief). In a fair situation, the reaper should get the boots because he's the only one who's, so far, not getting anything. However, cloth boots drop and only the healer can roll on them. At the end of the dungeon, the priest got a weapon and boots, the brawler got a spar, the archer got a chest, the gunner got gloves and the reaper got to watch them get all the loot.

Basically, when you set class loot, you are actively preventing people from rolling on fodder. Let's look at the above situation in a slightly different light, just focusing on the boots that nobody claimed. Without class loot, each of them has 1/5 chance of getting the boots. With class loot, each of the plate classes has 1/6, each of the leather classes has 1/6 and the healer has 1/3. Even if we accept that the "needed" stuff is out of the equation, by setting class loot, you have taken the only ffa item and messed with the odds. You haven't guaranteed that the brawler won't roll on the gunner gloves(let's face it, who's gonna believe those guys that they'll pass on the spar when topics like this one are a thing), the only thing you've made certain is that somebody will have better odds at getting fodders compared to the rest of the party.

PS: Time to queue some KD NM on muh healer and demand class loot. *rubs hands together*
TERA PC - General Discussion#96 Venpai04/10/2016, 07:36 AM
TWMagimay on 04/10/2016, 07:26 AM - view
snip


OHHH okay you were talking strictly about the loot being set to class restricted. okay now i get you. yeah that's actually a good point i completely forgot about that fff. x___x
TERA PC - General Discussion#97 Madoif04/10/2016, 07:44 AM
Class loot should be an IM option before you queue. I bet a lot of people would go for that.
SgtKitteh on 04/10/2016, 03:33 AM - view
Guys, please remember that this discussion is for overall giving new players more love (until they prove that they are [filtered] [filtered]s), not about passing gear to people. Heck, passing gear was what started this discussion, but not the point of it.


Wow. For someone who randomly call another player a "c*nt" and start bull[filtered]ting rudely, you actually advocate showing "love"

How very hypocritical. Some sort of 2-face you have there
welcome to tera.. and some of the toxic comunity i guess... sadly when i go IMS (im full geared) i see ppl like that... i try to kick them and the ppl that need the gear refuse.. and after sometimes they complain the dude didnt get kicked lol. but ya its sad this kind of ppl r around
TERA PC - General Discussion#100 Lyem04/10/2016, 11:37 AM
SgtKitteh on 04/10/2016, 02:54 AM - view
???

I'm in lucid +15 if you missed that.

I also have my tensus gear from the days I take a [filtered] on you in GvGs, but lets not go into there shall we?


Except that this never happened cause i used to spam Bgs instead of running in the open in GvGs? lying to get some attention? sounds cute, shall we remember that...

You're the guy who took 5 hours for a tsnm run with said "friends"
You're the guy who wiped a skilled/overgeared pt in tshm cause you couldn't do mid despite all the bragging you did when people were lfging?
You're a potato, known that since the days you were in HW, not even starfall +15 would make you close to being in position of "ordering gear", but matter of fact you cry like a baby, even using your "said friend".

SgtKitteh on 04/10/2016, 02:54 AM - view
Not every new player have friends to help them along the way, and if they don't they are just supposed to quit the game because IMS is for skilled and geared people, you reckon?


Not every new player make a forum post to cry about their butthurtness because they weren't given everything, and don't lie, we know at best that new players WILL roll for everything, mats, recipes, everything they see, if you think mentioning your friend was completely new could make it any better you failed.

But wait, ins't it your friend? then why are you the one so butthurt posting this and crying out loud? at this point it could easily be you in an alt, or just attwhoring for some attention like you were used to.

Azuunyan7 on 04/10/2016, 02:11 AM
Salty because you have to play with the same 3 people everytime on highwatch?


Yes, because IM ins't server cross and i'll always end with the same people from HW :D
Pathetic.
TERA PC - General Discussion#101 Azlin21704/10/2016, 12:03 PM
This is nothing new and there are many selfish players on both sides of the fence on this issue. It's certainly not limited to TERA. They are in every game. I have played since Beta and the first two years after launch (back in the good old days when we had vanarchs...such fun :). I just recently returned to TERA.

I have yet to win one single piece of Schisma armor or the weapon for my sorc even when politely asking those that just need fodder, if I could have just ONE piece each run. After 8+ runs the only thing i have gotten is a belt. I dont mind being outrolled (my sorc has horrible rolls lol) by someone who needs but i have to admit being outrolled by someone who doesn't need the item and is just farming fodder for broker sales is disheartening.
TERA PC - General Discussion#102 Yesuna04/10/2016, 02:18 PM
A case could be made that rolling on something another person needs is immoral behavior if you subscribe to the theory of the greater good (utilitarian ethics) because you are getting in the way of the greater good aka overall average endgame dps of all players.

But that aside, it's simply a [filtered] move to pull, and people should have a little compassion for people who are less fortunate. That's called being a good person, which I know is a little old fashioned nowadays, but sometimes we need a little old fashioned.
TERA PC - General Discussion#103 Minazuki04/10/2016, 04:21 PM
I been passing gear/fodder in IMS run since I am there for VM mats.
But do they pass VM mats to me after I passing all the gear/fodder?
It doesn't matter newbie or veteran, greedy will be greedy and jerk will be jerk.

I still passing gear/fodder when friend nap me to IMS even I don't really like using IMS now.
Keep in mind
Do not do to other what you do not want to be done to you.
TERA PC - General Discussion#104 SgtKitteh04/10/2016, 05:51 PM
Idunnowhen on 04/10/2016, 09:31 AM - view
Wow. For someone who randomly call another player a "c*nt" and start bullsh*tting rudely, you actually advocate showing "love"

How very hypocritical. Some sort of 2-face you have there. I will not have spoken out against you if you have maintained your sh*tty attitude in the forums as you had towards me in-game. But I guess your hypocrisy disgust me too much


Because you are not new, go learn the dungeon like everyone else and stop begging for a [filtered] SF belt.
TERA PC - General Discussion#105 Discolips04/10/2016, 05:57 PM
How can people be rude when there's like no one playing this game anymore.
SgtKitteh on 04/10/2016, 05:51 PM - view
Because you are not new, go learn the dungeon like everyone else and stop begging for a [filtered] SF belt.


So based on your view, players who are not new don't deserve respect? Anyway, buying a SF belt is a personal choice. I don't see why I have to listen to a stranger's words, let alone a fking rude one who calls people a c*nt.

Go home and learn some manners little kid. And stop being a hypocrite on the forum
TERA PC - General Discussion#107 SgtKitteh04/10/2016, 06:13 PM
Idunnowhen on 04/10/2016, 06:11 PM - view
So based on your view, players who are not new don't deserve respect? Anyway, buying a SF belt is a personal choice. I don't see why I have to listen to a stranger's words, let alone a fking rude one who calls people a c*nt.

Go home and learn some manners little kid. And stop being a hypocrite on the forum


Spamming the global every 3 secs is definitely worthy of a [filtered]. This'll probably be my last response to your irrelevant contributions. You can join our friend Lyem on the salty sidelines and leave the discussion, thanks.
I... just pass if someone say it earlier.

Sometimes, I mentioned earlier, like " Please say ealier if you need it, or else, after 10 sec, I will consider it as fodder".

And yes, after 10 sec, I rolled, and someone mad at me. I'm like...... WUTTTT!!!!

1 more thing is, they do say they need something, yes I agree, but they also roll for something not for them. I'm like, HELLO, I pass you something, at least give me something to win, I'm here for fodder, not just helping newbies. If I found someone like this, I just roll everything.
TERA PC - General Discussion#109 Kalinda04/10/2016, 07:17 PM
Azlin217 on 04/10/2016, 12:03 PM - view
This is nothing new and there are many selfish players on both sides of the fence on this issue. It's certainly not limited to TERA. They are in every game. I have played since Beta and the first two years after launch (back in the good old days when we had vanarchs...such fun :). I just recently returned to TERA.

I have yet to win one single piece of Schisma armor or the weapon for my sorc even when politely asking those that just need fodder, if I could have just ONE piece each run. After 8+ runs the only thing i have gotten is a belt. I dont mind being outrolled (my sorc has horrible rolls lol) by someone who needs but i have to admit being outrolled by someone who doesn't need the item and is just farming fodder for broker sales is disheartening.


What server are you on? If you are on TR I can run you through CW and help you get your pieces, all if you need. I pass on gear if people need and I always ask, even in IM if people need gear...After all, everyone is a newbie at one stage.

I got to admit though, I get peeved In KDNM if newbies roll on the spar when they don't know what it is used for, especially when you have passed on all gear. After you say please don't roll if you have no intention of making SF, and the newbie rolls, well then I think it is BM and being selfish.
TERA PC - General Discussion#110 aeee9804/10/2016, 07:52 PM
Alright I sum it up what I have seen over the past like 10 months (less actually due to hiatus) of playing this game.

Not everyone knows everything. In low levels there are people who just roll on everything because they don't really care who is around them. My answer? Let them be. They probably won't ever make up the IMS community, and when you see them in CS or whatever you can have a good time destroying them over and over whatever. Even in high levels there will always be that minority that are so selfish they can't just drop a single piece of gear, and it is fine.

Not sure about others, but I advocate this message : "Do unto others as you would have done to you". If OP has BMed you, BM him back. Newbies aren't 100% selfish, but have to be taught how to contribute to the community, both through learning dungeons and caring for others as a whole.

Nowadays I tend to solo queue CS whenever I am bored. I get people who complain about newbies not holding ladders when they themselves don't realise someone is blatantly spamming for ladders and inner sieges knowing they are being compromised. And I get teams that can actually bring the full potential of lower levels (including decoy strats).

I follow a "if no one needs it everyone roll" scheme in IMS. It is definitely not the fairest, but I will take it. Similarly, I would be glad if people in my own party does the same when I actually need them. If people don't call, just roll. It is their own mistake for assuming we will roll for them thinking we know they need gear without telling us. If people decide to be a complete [filtered], do unto them as well. I won't say OP did a good job in this scenario, but it is still a way regardless. The only time I did roll on every single piece of gear, was when I was really mad at the entire raid.

Also, make an agreeable exchange. Something like "I will pass on your gloves if it drops, but please let me have the dreadnaught spar when it comes" will go a long way. It doesn't work all the time, but it will set the mood.

Regardless, if it all fails, sigh and just try to get it another round. It is of course a day wasted, for some probably a week because they can only play on a few days. But eventually when they finally get dreadnaught they will realise it get outclassed by the next batch of gear.

To divert from the whole "need gear vs feedstock" debate, I will give another scenario to help newbies in general. Telling them mechs. Sometimes they don't listen. Like when I pug into level 60s at manaya's core (did it when I was bored), I told them to jump to cleanse the debuff on the second boss which I can't even remember the name is. Only 2 of them jumped, and the rest wondered why they died and why the healer didn't cleanse them.

You may sometimes see me give entry rotation guides to people in IMS dungeons. I only do that when I obviously see they are just casting fireball as a sorc (Arrow if archer), or just not playing the class properly at the minimum level. If they heed the advice, they will be very happy they hit larger numbers, otherwise I just move on and stop teaching a lost cause. I won't say I am a very good player, but at the very least I am putting effort to bring people below me up so they can improve from there. Why IMS? Because most newbies pug. And most newbies will want to spam spacebar cuz chain skill boys. (This is why you get so many bad reapers who only spacebar their way). Our job in IMS is a little tougher, cuz correcting a bad habit is always hard. And something like a Final Salvo animation cancel or Replenishment to reset Arcane Barrage is something the newbies may have read but not realised how to put in practice. Even as I alt on new classes I want to learn something new and would be glad if another person who is more experienced show me the ways.

All in all, it is attitudes on both sides. This is a really hard problem to fix because it isn't even 10% the game's fault. Sure you can say that limiting the number of entries also limits the amount of progress a player makes in a day (which forces them to buy elite to make progression faster) and limiting the progress helps EME earn more money, but really it is the only thing that keeps the game playable and have a market that is actually better than many games out there (not the best but still you get the point)
TERA PC - General Discussion#111 Azlin21704/11/2016, 05:14 AM
Kalinda on 04/10/2016, 07:17 PM - view
What server are you on? If you are on TR I can run you through CW and help you get your pieces, all if you need. I pass on gear if people need and I always ask, even in IM if people need gear...After all, everyone is a newbie at one stage.

I got to admit though, I get peeved In KDNM if newbies roll on the spar when they don't know what it is used for, especially when you have passed on all gear. After you say please don't roll if you have no intention of making SF, and the newbie rolls, well then I think it is BM and being selfish.


Tyvm Kalinda but I'm on CH. It's encouraging to hear from you and others here that are nice and considerate. I will keep running till i get my armors and wep. :) Eventually i will and I'm really in no rush. I ran on my Archer until she had all of hers but I was more lucky with grouping. Right now I am guildless so I know joining a guild would help but have been taking my time looking for a guild that fits for me and them.
TERA PC - General Discussion#112 Klice04/12/2016, 08:52 AM
Azlin217 on 04/11/2016, 05:14 AM - view
Tyvm Kalinda but I'm on CH. It's encouraging to hear from you and others here that are nice and considerate. I will keep running till i get my armors and wep. :) Eventually i will and I'm really in no rush. I ran on my Archer until she had all of hers but I was more lucky with grouping. Right now I am guildless so I know joining a guild would help but have been taking my time looking for a guild that fits for me and them.


Dougal will give you that [filtered] in Highwatch... Just do his quests.
Edited by: Klice less than a minute ago
TERA PC - General Discussion#113 Yamazuki04/12/2016, 08:56 AM
Azlin217 on 04/11/2016, 05:14 AM - view
Tyvm Kalinda but I'm on CH. It's encouraging to hear from you and others here that are nice and considerate. I will keep running till i get my armors and wep. :) Eventually i will and I'm really in no rush. I ran on my Archer until she had all of hers but I was more lucky with grouping. Right now I am guildless so I know joining a guild would help but have been taking my time looking for a guild that fits for me and them.

At lvl 65 you have a quest to do KC>BRNM>CW>KDNM and the quest gives you gems (gold), tokens and enchantment items along with a weapon and chest box.
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