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Piltover wrote: »
Just get better at the game and stop complaining that other people are better than you

shut up idiot


Send Moods Idiots
Just get better at the game and stop complaining that other people are better than you
I love manifest :)
Someone called for trash?
I only see trash on this thread...
begone heathen
They removed the creds system. I still have 100k that I haven’t used sadly but nothing in the store is worth spending the creds on. I heard they have something in the works but with all the latest changes I have little to no hope.
how to get Belllicariom credit and Killing Spree credit , i keep join BG but still 0/200000
vry sry i m just 63 level and i m just plyed for 4days
Erupt joined in so now 3 [filtered] lancers on this thread
it pops often on days where it is the highlighted bg.
Bubs isn't asian doe
The 3rd one is an autist and the 2nd one is a R word. The first one looks like Zings asian brother
*cough* 3 lesser lancers above me
two trash lancers above me
*checks watch*
6XTHX9KA35 wrote: »
jrtseven wrote: »
The cycle begins anew for the third time.

Manifest loses against giant alliance -> lol cya manitrash, finally stood up to the bullies
Manifest wins against giant alliance -> lol moneyfest, gear carried
giant alliance gets demoralized and quits -> lol manizerg

Never change, MT.

You spent two months competing for 2nd place entirely avoiding Yikes in CU

If you're going to post a polarizing statement at least make sure you're not entirely wrong. We fought Yikes every week, getting more or less destroyed.
jrtseven wrote: »
The cycle begins anew for the third time.

Manifest loses against giant alliance -> lol cya manitrash, finally stood up to the bullies
Manifest wins against giant alliance -> lol moneyfest, gear carried
giant alliance gets demoralized and quits -> lol manizerg

Never change, MT.

You spent two months competing for 2nd place entirely avoiding Yikes in CU

stay salty bad kid
Ayi wrote: »
jrtseven wrote: »
I'm honestly worried for you if you didn't realize that satirical quote was directly mocking how upset you were. Did... you think everyone was laughing with you?

To my understanding, you were busy roleplaying with your friends again about leaving your house. Did I misinterpret? Or did you not leave your house?

But don't worry, I'm certain your parents still love you!

this guy loves role-playing in dead games.
Go through your screenshots, you'll find that you brought up 30 mobs, not me.
jrtseven wrote: »
Ayi wrote: »
Except that your joke made no sense,
I can't tell whats sadder, the fact that you cling to your traumas from 2016, or that language comprehension is so beyond your skill set to the point where you're oblivious to everyone laughing at you.

The twist at the end was nice, it was a good attempt at projecting your emotional insecurity. Unfortunately (and you'd have no way of knowing, sadly) everyone knows you're furiously typing behind your monitor like your life depends on it.

You're a plethora of comedic gold. Too bad it has to come at your expense. Never change!

Aren't you the one who brought up 2016 with 30 mobs? You started it all on global, not me. It's not my fault that your emotions are getting the better of you because you can't figure out how to submit a ticket over an in-game bug. I'm telling ya, your parents are here for you, you could always ask them to help calm you down. :+1:

Or I could write a guide for you on how to properly submit a ticket, I know it will be difficult, but with your guild's help it's certainly possible!
Ayi wrote: »
Except that your joke made no sense,
I can't tell whats sadder, the fact that you cling to your traumas from 2016, or that language comprehension is so beyond your skill set to the point where you're oblivious to everyone laughing at you.

The twist at the end was nice, it was a good attempt at projecting your emotional insecurity. Unfortunately (and you'd have no way of knowing, sadly) everyone knows you're furiously typing behind your monitor like your life depends on it.

You're a plethora of comedic gold. Too bad it has to come at your expense. Never change!

jrtseven wrote: »
Ayi wrote: »
jrtseven wrote: »
I'm honestly worried for you if you didn't realize that satirical quote was directly mocking how upset you were. Did... you think everyone was laughing with you?

To my understanding,
This is the exact moment where everything goes wrong for you. You're just stupid.

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To interpret my quote as self deprecating it would require an instance of my person or personal experience predicating the quote. We were actually just laughing about how angry you are.

Now that I had to explain the joke, it's not funny. Thanks a lot

Except that your joke made no sense, and you were the one being discussed in the quotations. This all happened because of your anger when I shut you down, no?

Frankly, I still believe that you're a roleplayer.

Little General off his game? I didn't know you were so easy to [filtered] off.

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Ayi wrote: »
jrtseven wrote: »
I'm honestly worried for you if you didn't realize that satirical quote was directly mocking how upset you were. Did... you think everyone was laughing with you?

To my understanding,
This is the exact moment where everything goes wrong for you. You're just stupid.

9934027a9d.png

To interpret my quote as self deprecating it would require an instance of my person or personal experience predicating the quote. We were actually just laughing about how angry you are.

Now that I had to explain the joke, it's not funny. Thanks a lot
jrtseven wrote: »
I'm honestly worried for you if you didn't realize that satirical quote was directly mocking how upset you were. Did... you think everyone was laughing with you?

To my understanding, you were busy roleplaying with your friends again about leaving your house. Did I misinterpret? Or did you not leave your house?

But don't worry, I'm certain your parents still love you!
I'm honestly worried for you if you didn't realize that satirical quote was directly mocking how upset you were. Did... you think everyone was laughing with you?
jrtseven wrote: »
The day after we won CU I counted 2 instances of "moneyfest" related comments, and 3 comments about us zerging. You must have missed them.

Unfortunately, you're not nearly as informed as your ego leads you to believe. Sorry!

I'm just not into roleplaying like you are, my apologies!

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Your parents still checking up on you? LOOL
The day after we won CU I counted 2 instances of "moneyfest" related comments, and 3 comments about us zerging. You must have missed them.

Unfortunately, you're not nearly as informed as your ego leads you to believe. Sorry!
jrtseven wrote: »
Ayi wrote: »
jrtseven wrote: »
The cycle begins anew for the third time.

Manifest loses against giant alliance -> lol cya manitrash, finally stood up to the bullies
Manifest wins against giant alliance -> lol moneyfest, gear carried
giant alliance gets demoralized and quits -> lol manizerg

Never change, MT.

You are such a roleplayer, nobody even said any of that. lmao

It's repeated daily in global to wildly varying degrees. Excellent try, though!
The only point that occurred was the top one.

So once again, stop roleplaying lmao
Ayi wrote: »
jrtseven wrote: »
The cycle begins anew for the third time.

Manifest loses against giant alliance -> lol cya manitrash, finally stood up to the bullies
Manifest wins against giant alliance -> lol moneyfest, gear carried
giant alliance gets demoralized and quits -> lol manizerg

Never change, MT.

You are such a roleplayer, nobody even said any of that. lmao

It's repeated daily in global to wildly varying degrees. Excellent try, though!
jrtseven wrote: »
The cycle begins anew for the third time.

Manifest loses against giant alliance -> lol cya manitrash, finally stood up to the bullies
Manifest wins against giant alliance -> lol moneyfest, gear carried
giant alliance gets demoralized and quits -> lol manizerg

Never change, MT.

You are such a roleplayer, nobody even said any of that. lmao
stay mad kid, make ur own sync to beat the another one ;) oh wait.... ur 2bad

shut up [filtered] if you havent got something constructive to say then gtfo of this post
Yeah, most of the matches I've won or lost in Fraywind are pretty one sided because of the matching system. Unfortunately, I don't think BHS is going to focus on battleground balance (or any type of real balance) any time soon.

Too bad BHS don't hold polls. It would be nice if we could vote on the things we want them to focus on (e.g. new hair styles vs battle ground changes).
stay mad kid, make ur own sync to beat the another one ;) oh wait.... ur 2bad
Koikoi wrote: »
Agreed.
Match making needs to take into account gear and overall score and move people to balance out the battlegrounds accordingly.

When you get into fraywind and it's a full eq raid against 5+ full +9 team you have to wonder what is going on.

Not to mention the times when one side will have tanks and the other none.
Or one raid all mystics and the other all priests.

Match making definitely needs work.

yee its terrible seems to be the way it works the first 15 people that que fwc go into the first team and the second get put into the other team the only people that would vote no on the matchmaking is the people that abuse the sync que system
Agreed.
Match making needs to take into account gear and overall score and move people to balance out the battlegrounds accordingly.

When you get into fraywind and it's a full eq raid against 5+ full +9 team you have to wonder what is going on.

Not to mention the times when one side will have tanks and the other none.
Or one raid all mystics and the other all priests.

Match making definitely needs work.
The cycle begins anew for the third time.

Manifest loses against giant alliance -> lol cya manitrash, finally stood up to the bullies
Manifest wins against giant alliance -> lol moneyfest, gear carried
giant alliance gets demoralized and quits -> lol manizerg

Never change, MT.
Azuriela wrote: »
Piltover wrote: »
@Azuriela the parse they did on your tower today was pretty neat though :)

im not in attack but with the money manifest spend on their gear i wouldnt expect anything else

Piltover wrote: »
@Azuriela the parse they did on your tower today was pretty neat though :)

im not in attack but with the money manifest spend on their gear i wouldnt expect anything else
@Azuriela the parse they did on your tower today was pretty neat though :)
@VelvetCake stop lying, you have no heart!
I wholeheartedly agree!
We all know Attack is gonna be Mount Tyrannas lead in 2018 mani will deteriorate as theyre already doing MT let mani get away with it too long now mani aint used to the pressure ALL GEAR NO IDEA!

can someone answer me a question. Is it still worth working on a Slayer for pvp? I have enough money to buy the best equipment in the game and I also have a lvl 65 slayer that I have not used for several months. I was wondering if it's worth going back to my slayer or create a warrior instead and spending all my money on it. I never played warrior and I literally hate to level up this why i very reluctant to make a new class

Apparently Warrior will continue being OP at x1 for a long time and will still be stronger as a new expansion is coming (Awakening class) that will vastly improve 7 classes and the warrior is one of them. I wonder how ridiculously OP a warrior or brawler will be after this expansion.
Sync ques kill fraywind one side seriously stacked the other full of pve

http://www.strawpoll.me/14773275
To be honest its quite hard to talk about ''balance'' in a game where there is such thing as ''Ranged tank class''.

In my years and years of gaming, i have never played a game that had a ranged DPS Tank class.

Warlock in WoW had its drawbacks.
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L3HDX7N9WL wrote: »
I don`t really agree with this Tier list! I would actually say that the classes in Tera are so unbalanced that it is almost impossible to rank them. Yes before i go forther this is and will be a cry baby comment because this is a fact. Tera was never a very balanced mmorpg, in the past Lancers were super strong, berserker could ez 1 shoot u etc....But now days look at the classes. The brawler is a Tank class with more dmg then a Reaper and more def as well, they can block while attacking and that makes them both very dangerous because of the dmg and the fact that u can`t hit them cause they are blocking. Gunners are indeed the worst class in Game, if u think that the Valkyrie is bad, then u will love the Gunner. Gunner are a range dps ( range dps should`t take much dmg cause they attack from range lol xd) but they wear heavy armour!!!!! Really bois?????? A range dps with heavy armour that has a healing robot and a healing glyph on Burst fire. Not only that but they can kill u with 1 AB or 2 if u cloth or leather. Well compare gunners to the sorc for example, in my opinion sorc are the worst class in 1vs1 atm..... u are cloth , u got 0 healing glyphs or skills, warp got a nerf, after the revamp the sorc don`t crit at all ( making u only the glas not the cannon), they have the smalest range compared to archers and gunners, and they are harder to play then archers and gunners....
I hope u guys understand my point, I think u should rank the classes separatly like (Range dps/ Meleee DPS / Tanks) and not rank them all together cause as i said the classes are unbalanced in Duels and in pvp all together!!!!!!!!!!

Sorcerer doesn't crit it's true. But we aren't helpless in a dueling environment. We can stagger and stun people from range, Stagger Sleep is still very strong and proper usage of i-frames and warp barrier can make us extremely difficult to pin down. Not to mention the buff to our traps not breaking on Valks dodge.

The only issue Sorcerer has right now is its abysmal damage average in comparison to other classes because they don't crit (which is more an issue in large scale than anything). However with Gyre/nerve/stun/sleep rotating Sorcerers really don't have any horrible match-ups aside from maybe a good D-Stance Warrior or a good Lancer.

That said. I'm not fond of the revamped Sorcerer because it nerfed our potential for combo's which was a large reason I enjoyed Sorcerer and a huge reason Sorcerers used to be super strong in duels. We could 1 combo like Archers can now. Unlike Archer however, before revamp a Sorcerer could one combo any class regardless of armor type. Sorcerers could put out 300-400k of damage in one combo pre-revamp.

Sorcerers role changed from the extreme damage to a more support/CCer. When Sorcerers do crit it can be pretty devastating though.

Would I like to see Sorcerer return to the highest damaging AoE class? Definitely. But I don't see it happening unless the awakening skills make it happen. But we will have awhile to wait before then.
WHEN IS THE RESET???
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Enmasse was too busy doing whatever to make a post so I figured I would, Here are the official battleground jackpot days.

The jackpots are as follows.

Diamond ×1
Precious Gem Box ×1
Brilliant Enchanting Box ×1
Titan's Earth ×4
Titan's Storm ×4

Have a nice day :)
Im still confused did one of my members flame me out
Another banger pumped! We can really hear the cylinders firing off in your brain for that one
''Community demand''

xd
This might just make your brain liquify instantly, but what if I told you that requirements change frequently based on community demand

I know it’s a concept yet perceived but keep an open mind
ManamiC wrote: »
I used the same picture that was being thrown around in the community battle discord so I just used that.
Eh I would have joined Manifest but they rejected me so I was in mood o well love oharu

how do you get rejected from manifest when they accepted bellalaine.
I used the same picture that was being thrown around in the community battle discord so I just used that.
Eh I would have joined Manifest but they rejected me so I was in mood o well love oharu
ManamiC wrote: »
@Piltover I'm actually in Mood and still think that Folkvangyr had to suck up to us to even get top 5 rofl. Legit I bet the stupid mani alliance didn't think you guys were relevant enough to target Folk, so it was all luck. Mood and Attack won that rofl.
Don't think you should be trash talking with that image, it just makes our alliance look bad compared to the Mani one , especially if the numbers are involved. [filtered] off bro

that screenshot shows you're in mani tf you talkin about
ACKTFFXW7A wrote: »
Tera itself was already a good example of a game where all classes were well balanced. Virtually all classes had the same odds in 1x1 before the game got Free To Play. WildStar is another game where classes are well balanced.
Its really is impossible to make a 100% balanced game, but it does not have to be something as bad as Tera.

I never said that it is impossible for a Zerk to kill a good Gunner, I said that it is necessary to play much better than him, which is a truth. Obviously there are very good Zerks who will kill a good gunners...

What game have you been playing because this is completely false. TERA has always been a roller coaster of balance. When the game came out Slayers destroyed everyone except for a well played Warrior. Priests were the best dueling class because they could roll reflect on gear and kill through that. Conjunct patch came and warriors and lancers became the supreme rulers of 1v1 and 3v3. Warriors still are probably the best dueling class out, minus the OPness of the new classes when they released. Lets not forget when backstab used to reset.

Wildstar was completely imbalanced around all aspects of the game. Stalkers could one combo people out of the gate. Medics were stupidly strong and not even a Stalker could kill them solo. Stalker tanks were unkillable in RBGs because of their evasion and heals off evasion. Then Espers became damage machines with their DoT stacking. Stalker could literally one combo someone from stealth, backdrop back into stealth and do it all over again to another target. You couldn't escape it either cause they could keep you Stun chained the whole time not to mention their first set bonus/runes.

All MMOs are roller coasters of balance. Every class has counters. That's why I said it's better to choose a class you enjoy rather than one to counter one class because you are going to have a counter some where else. If you get good with a class you enjoy first, it's more likely you will overcome that counter since you enjoy it enough to learn that class.
I don`t really agree with this Tier list! I would actually say that the classes in Tera are so unbalanced that it is almost impossible to rank them. Yes before i go forther this is and will be a cry baby comment because this is a fact. Tera was never a very balanced mmorpg, in the past Lancers were super strong, berserker could ez 1 shoot u etc....But now days look at the classes. The brawler is a Tank class with more dmg then a Reaper and more def as well, they can block while attacking and that makes them both very dangerous because of the dmg and the fact that u can`t hit them cause they are blocking. Gunners are indeed the worst class in Game, if u think that the Valkyrie is bad, then u will love the Gunner. Gunner are a range dps ( range dps should`t take much dmg cause they attack from range lol xd) but they wear heavy armour!!!!! Really bois?????? A range dps with heavy armour that has a healing robot and a healing glyph on Burst fire. Not only that but they can kill u with 1 AB or 2 if u cloth or leather. Well compare gunners to the sorc for example, in my opinion sorc are the worst class in 1vs1 atm..... u are cloth , u got 0 healing glyphs or skills, warp got a nerf, after the revamp the sorc don`t crit at all ( making u only the glas not the cannon), they have the smalest range compared to archers and gunners, and they are harder to play then archers and gunners....
I hope u guys understand my point, I think u should rank the classes separatly like (Range dps/ Meleee DPS / Tanks) and not rank them all together cause as i said the classes are unbalanced in Duels and in pvp all together!!!!!!!!!!
@ManamiC What
In 2018 Mood rulez and MANIFEST DROOLZ
Warrior is probably the most hard to kill. Blocks, iframes, Stupid Op Backstab, A lot of KD skills, AoE stun and counter-stun if you attack him while blocking. This [filtered] class have everything to counter the others.

I consider warrior worse than valkyrie. A well equipped warrior with a good PING will kill you in a single backstab and if you survive your HP will be completely [filtered] anyway.

Meanwhile, valkyrie has extremely long Iframe, good defense and an absurdly high damage, combined with good speed, makes this class very difficult to defeat.
This how i see duel tier list

tier S:

Warrior D-stance

Valkyrie

brawler

gunner

socerer


tier A:


Reaper

archer

Lancer

tier B:

zerk

slayer

warrior A-stance


Vunak wrote: »
X46Y4P45G9 wrote: »
So you mean a berserker can only beat a gunner if they are noob? What Ahrii said is a truth. If you fight the counter of your class you will need to play 3x better. The same skilled gunner and zerk fighting each other would be a Stomps against the zerk.

Tera is horribly balanced, because there should never be a "counter class". A well balanced game all classes must have the same chances of winning in an X1 and only the play style should decide who will be the winner.

No. I've seen top end zerks down very good gunners. It takes more skill yes, but its not impossible. Knowing how to avoid AB and keep pressure on is hard for Zerk against gunner but its not impossible. Zerks are extremely dangerous in the right hands.

No game is balanced perfectly. TERA is more out of balance than it used to be because of new classes and class updates, but its not like other games are more in balance in comparison. Every game that includes a class system is not balanced. I dare you to find a class based system where every class is balanced in 1v1 with equal odds against each other because that doesn't even happen in fighting games, let alone a game that balances around a class design.


Tera itself was already a good example of a game where all classes were well balanced. Virtually all classes had the same odds in 1x1 before the game got Free To Play. WildStar is another game where classes are well balanced.
Its really is impossible to make a 100% balanced game, but it does not have to be something as bad as Tera.

I never said that it is impossible for a Zerk to kill a good Gunner, I said that it is necessary to play much better than him, which is a truth. Obviously there are very good Zerks who will kill a good gunners...
wow, just wow.
wow, just wow
wow, just wow
Manifest has suffered another defeat at the hands of the skeleton army, led by Sir.Cage. Manifest's noble efforts to preserve the rebel constitution have once again been stricken down to the floor. In his dying breaths, General, leader of the geeks, muttered "At l-least... I still won.. S-skyring sl--"
Who the hell brings up KDA in an mmorpg this isn't call of Duty.
Hey buddy you seem mad

are you ok?

I just made a forum account just to reply to you.

We did more of Manifests guild tower damage than Mood anyways so you can leave your salt alone sir

How are we sucking up to you guys? Our tower just lasted longer so it just seems you are very mad and upset

The numbers do not matter because we still won? numbers dosent show you who wins so I do not know why you defending

maybe next time you can win first haha but Mood didn't do more than us so go away mad kid

@Piltover I'm actually in Mood and still think that Folkvangyr had to suck up to us to even get top 5 rofl. Legit I bet the stupid mani alliance didn't think you guys were relevant enough to target Folk, so it was all luck. Mood and Attack won that rofl
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@Piltover It really is pal, it really is
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TLDR; Tera is fun
sludeater wrote: »
The idea of the battleground jackpot calendar has become obsolete. I pvp all the time, and this is the first month I didn't even bother looking for the calendar . Its not because I dislike the rewards, but because it takes hours for anything except FWC. FWC isn't tera's best battleground either, so that is disappointing ay. Plus the atmosphere has become something out of lord of the flies.

The reason FWC pops is because a large part of the community do actually think its the best BG, hence its own discord channel. Just saying.
It's almost as if the game wasn't ever once balanced towards dueling and was always balanced towards either pve or team 3v3, although the ladder doesn't hold true past vm5. So who cares.
If you use the "BM" skills in 1v1s it'll be less fun for both parties. Like using Bladers Tears against a zerk is just unfair, there's no way a zerk would win. But without it both classes have a shot.
I agree on items for the most part. Nostrums/bravery/crit scrolls/etc.. can promote single combo wins. That being said landing a 2nd or 3rd backstab as warrior doesn't mean much especially against a higher latency opponent. So what's the difference between death to a single combo... or death to 3 "sure land" combos from a kiting warrior? If anything items disadvantage classes that engage and disengage easier than others ie: Warriors or Reapers.(assuming player doesn't iframe the backstab->I honestly never saw anyone aside from myself do that consistently... against you specifically I think, lol)

I think brooches are exceptional. They can counter each other and they don't cost anything to use aside from the initial time investment in getting them. They also make it very obvious when they're in use via brooch specific animations... So it's not like you can't counter a power brooch via kiting it, or purifying at a convenient point in a combo.

I don't agree that zerks shouldn't use their cc immunity skills. Your ability or inability to kite a zerk for the duration of that buff is literally part of what determines whether you should win that duel >_> (as well as their positioning when they cast their self buffs and the associated cooldowns of both party's distance closing skills).


As far as shadow reaping goes: reaper full combo without reaping will kill you or at least take you down 80-90% anyway(except fully PvP geared lancers)... and the tradeoff with shadow reaping is that it's a huge mana investment on the reaper's part. If a reaper cast shadow reaping and doesn't get the "sure kill"(again doesn't apply to lancers->it is a viable strategy to finish them off at lower hps before they can self heal though) their mana pool is essentially gone. Don't forget that it doesn't really help at all in cases where traps are involved or the opponent can block well or they camo at the right time... I can't think of a class that can't defend against it tbh.

I'd argue the game is about as imbalanced either way. If anything less balanced the way players are trying to make it.
X46Y4P45G9 wrote: »
So you mean a berserker can only beat a gunner if they are noob? What Ahrii said is a truth. If you fight the counter of your class you will need to play 3x better. The same skilled gunner and zerk fighting each other would be a Stomps against the zerk.

Tera is horribly balanced, because there should never be a "counter class". A well balanced game all classes must have the same chances of winning in an X1 and only the play style should decide who will be the winner.

No. I've seen top end zerks down very good gunners. It takes more skill yes, but its not impossible. Knowing how to avoid AB and keep pressure on is hard for Zerk against gunner but its not impossible. Zerks are extremely dangerous in the right hands.

No game is balanced perfectly. TERA is more out of balance than it used to be because of new classes and class updates, but its not like other games are more in balance in comparison. Every game that includes a class system is not balanced. I dare you to find a class based system where every class is balanced in 1v1 with equal odds against each other because that doesn't even happen in fighting games, let alone a game that balances around a class design.
''Why perpetuate PvP etiquette if it still results in an imbalanced game?''

A less imbalanced game.............
I find it alot funner when I don't get 1 combo'd in duels tbh so ye i'd definitely rather play without certain skills/nostrum/brooch. You can make an agreeance to use certain things anyway it's not set in stone that you need to follow the ettiquette it's just duels aren't as BS without them.
For me its more about fun. If a warrior pops deadly gamble, marrow brooch, nostrum, bravery, etc and lands a backstab you're done. doesn't matter how good the warrior is literally any basic backstab combo will kill most classes. Same with Sorc and archer it just makes duels more about whoever lands the first full combo rather than landing multiple combos and knowing how each class works and playing accordingly. Reaper would be the most [filtered] thing in the game with reaping in 1v1s, even if you allow cleansing brooch their stuns go on such a low cd they will still win by spamming the same 4 skills and perma stunning you. Also if a zerk pops tenacity and mocking you literally cant do anything... good zerks are hard to kite already make them immune to all ccs and its just dumb. Since the game is mostly balanced around PVE there are obviously gonna be a bunch of skills that are stupidly strong in PVP and makes it unbalanced for 1v1s... tho even with calling skills bm there are still some classes that are unbalanced (like slayer) but it makes it a little more fair. I've agreed to duels with consumables and bm skills and its just boring.
The recent attempts at people justifying 1v1 rules outside of the obvious "this is what the game environment allows" has been gotten me curious. Why are people so against playing the game out to its fullest extent?

My base premise here is that the game will be imbalanced regardless of the "etiquette" imposed by some players. Therefore, why bother? Is there some arbitrary point of meddling by players where the game suddenly becomes a measure of skill? (it's not... go play a PvP oriented game if you want that) Is it any more fun with player rules? (I'm sure it is if you play any of the classes that benefit from the rules)


Some other thoughts:

The idea of not using consumables. It gets costly and will typically result in a duel time out as well as giving the advantage to the player who decided to level their crafting skills in that direction (even though there's no barrier from any other player doing the same).

The issue with brooches. There are no walls to getting one. They have multiple options that can counter each other. The effects they give behave like skills (use limited by cool down). The only issue arises from situations where a bad class literally get decimated by the effect (slayer vs purify lol). But even with that considered, slayer would still be trash comparatively speaking. So the choice to not use brooches in 1v1 would only really effect players by making them lose about as much as they already did (slayer being trash at PvP anyway).

So to the hard part: can anyone bring about a serious counter argument that's objective vice subjective?
Vunak wrote: »
Ahrii wrote: »
I dont know i just cant apply it to tera. Its near impossible for a lancer to beat a gunner., zerker cant win vs gunner, mystic no matter what is barely viable in team skyring.. Stuff like that just cant be avoided no matter the skill.

I'd say yes at top end. But like I was saying a top end Zerker would destroy a gunner that doesn't know what they are doing regardless of the counter. So putting time into a class you enjoy and are more willing to learn is more important to just finding a counter to a class you don't. You are just going to trade one counter for another anyway. If you put in the time to learn and master a class you will end up winning more matches in a 1v1, 3v3 or FWC if you aren't focusing on one thing like being a counter to one class.

So you mean a berserker can only beat a gunner if they are noob? What Ahrii said is a truth. If you fight the counter of your class you will need to play 3x better. The same skilled gunner and zerk fighting each other would be a Stomps against the zerk.

Tera is horribly balanced, because there should never be a "counter class". A well balanced game all classes must have the same chances of winning in an X1 and only the play style should decide who will be the winner.
Warrior is the best choice without a doubt
> @Maleficent94 said:
> > @Edomdrah said:
> > If it wasn't for those clowns camping places like Lumbertown bridge PKing all the potential new players I would agree with you. However, at some point the game's player base got so toxic it became bad for business...
>
> Oh great another cryed baybe. Lumbertown was the pinnacle of PVP and love

They weren't crying , they were staying how players like you screwed PvP for others
Lumbertown had a bottleneck bridge with a safe zone border on it where people sniped new players on the regular. I PKed enough garbage max level players there to know what the deal was.
Can't really say I care about that kinda stuff either way. (Try talking about the threads topic?)
Edomdrah wrote: »
Dude, I honestly got salty when people camped cleric in VO... especially when they already had heals running around with them.

I could never use the cleric as fast on a controller so I just had to run down the coast and hope they'd follow.

You know when you're texting someone and they send you 7 messages to your 1. Yeah thats you.
Dude, I honestly got salty when people camped cleric in VO... especially when they already had heals running around with them.

I could never use the cleric as fast on a controller so I just had to run down the coast and hope they'd follow.
hey hardmode there's a reaper out there named tesa chan continuing your legacy. not only does he pop shadow reaping and brooch in 1v1s, he also saves cleric which takes the PVP to a whole new level. just letting you know that you're not alone out there
> @Edomdrah said:
> If it wasn't for those clowns camping places like Lumbertown bridge PKing all the potential new players I would agree with you. However, at some point the game's player base got so toxic it became bad for business...

Oh great another cryed baybe. Lumbertown was the pinnacle of PVP and love
Fyi: I appreciated the Nicholas Cage meme... It's pretty much how I felt when people got uppity in groups then faced the stark reality of 1v1 xD
Edomdrah wrote: »
6. Not a single person I ran into in my Tera experience didn't choose to camp a safezone over 1v1ing me when I KoSed em. Yourself included.


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1. Never had a pocket healer (did have a few people who tagged along in the case of group pvp)
2. Perma red named due to haters infamy feeding (aka never had buffs in any meaningful capacity)
3. Server didn't seem very dead to me till after brawler patch
4. People still implying gearing up to its conclusion is a bad thing...
5. Would be funny if you were one of those guys I sent packing in VO back in the day.

I'm not asserting anything about the community building up PvP in BHS' place. I'm asserting that if the game is going to unbalanced in either case (as demonstrated by the existance of this tier thread); then why shouldn't the authority of which class is a higher tier not lie with the devs? And therefore why isn't reaper S/S+?
I fought you when I server transferred to rebind an item.... You ran around a dead server with a pocket healer and full buffs to duel, and I still killed you. You were not a top reaper, you just out geared a server that didn't care.

And to your statement that the community didn't "help build up PvP in BHS' place", what are you expecting them to do? Write code? Setting a duel standard is building upon what was given to them by BHS.
Seems like reading comprehension isn't your strongest trait... I already clearly deconstructed that argument with the assertion that this thread wouldn't exist if the 'PvP community' could balance the game in the dev's stead. The only thing the 'PvP community' managed to do was shift the class paradigms away from what the devs made it and to what a few loud gangs of players wanted.

So... go ahead and take your time explaining the need for a duel tier list with the 'PvP scene' built by players and why the tier list(aka full kit vs full kit) established by the devs isn't just as valid. (In case you missed it earlier being in a majority position doesn't establish anything in this argument)
my points were made in my first post. don't pretend you're out here wanting to hear "points" or "debate". you're like every other basement neckbeard pseudo-intellectual dudebro who thinks he knows how to "debate" when all you're capable of is borderline masturbation of your ego and passive-aggressive blasé

one more time: the pvp community built up the pvp scene from the ground up, not BHS (they do the exact opposite for the most part since tera's inception, perhaps the biggest insult starting with reaper release). that's why majority of the pvp populace agrees on ruling together and neanderthal reaper mains like you are the whiny minority

otherwise known as non-factors. merry christmas non-factor, i'm done for the night.
Yet again, a person willing to throw insults but not willing to argue an actual point. Why even bother posting?

Do either of you guys even have a point to make regarding the topic?
Edomdrah wrote: »
Edomdrah is hardmode backwards... former top reaper >_>, people used to server transfer just to play with me or get away from my KoS list.

Btw, I almost never used shadow reaping in duels because I could 100-0 people without it. The few exceptions were for the day 2 released +15 brawlers, and the rare clutch duel where everything was being used anyway.

If you wanna hear even more blasphemy, I even advocated brooching during duels (the more complex the duel the better imo)

god this is like an early christmas present i don't even have to say anything you're out here embarrassing yourself for us all. god bless

"minimize duel complexity"

i don't think you know what the word complex means
(once again........... not surprising from a reaper)
I take it you're not used to dealing with confident/competent people huh... You still haven't addressed any of my assertions or acknowledged anything in the conversation.

At this point you're just acting like an uppity kid who wants to be part of a conversation but has nothing to contribute.
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