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IP/MAC address bans are pretty useless and unfair for anyone that shares the machine/network. If for example I was some complete [filtered] on the game and my brother was a nice guy, I would screw him over without him having anything to do, if he plays on same PC (like did use to happen before).
Also those two can be both faked and hidden, people also replace PC parts when necessary so another MAC address from a full new motherboard or network card is on the go albeit extreme.

The deal about not blocking alts tho is completely stupid. Spammers and toxic people can easily have tons of alts and such to avoid restrictions and blocks.

...also whew mother of Resurrection, more than a year old topic is a record for me, and the scavenger in question, my god it sounds like I wouldn't want to run with this person honestly. I somewhat doubt that the "teaching you your class" was both unfounded and as rude as it was made it sound...
vkobe wrote: »
i know the point is valid but you know our gm they hate old thread :/

Aware.
i know the point is valid but you know our gm they hate old thread :/
This thread still has a valid point.
Even if outdated.
ye i post here before the gm close this thread :3
it gets even worse when you want to block someone to just shut them up in a dungeon for "telling" you how to play your class like some elites but you can't due to cross server que's but not friends/banlists
Commission for Dorkably !! :3 <3
I just wanted to offer my own ideas, and hopefully brainstorm with others, on making some changes to the BG rewards. This is a little bit of a rant, but I think it holds valid points for the suggestion that comes at the end. Currently, just as a reminder, these are the following rewards for the remainder of the month via Jackpots:
  • 1x Emerald
  • 4x Titan's Ember
  • 4x Titan's Storm
  • 4x Titan's Ease
  • 4x Titan's Earth

So, these are rather poor options for the jackpot. Especially as you begin to need numerous emeralds, and eventually diamonds, for enchanting gear. I'm not even sure why the titan's materials are dropped in pvp. I suppose it's just another place to farm them, but it's simply not a reliable source right now with the ease of Pit of Petrax, IoD, Ace Dungeons, and so on. As for the emeralds, it just isn't worth doing PvP for a single emerald. With the queue times, if you're lucky (as a damage class), it may take 10 minutes for a quick 3s match. Assuming all the jackpot items are a 20% chance to drop, that's an awfully low chance of being reward a prize holding 1k in value. I've seen emeralds selling for about 1.1-1.2k on broker at times as well. Additionally, if you find a semi decent party, you can run Ravenous Gorge 4 times and obtain 2400 gold just from the vanguard. That's already 2 emeralds off the broker in roughly the same time it took to queue into 3s. I also find that Ghilieglade is much more efficient. While I don't always get emeralds, I have 3 characters I can run it on where the fight itself only takes about 30 seconds. I have a few others that take roughly a minute or less for the fight. While I may not get an emerald, I am stilling getting other materials useful to me for enchanting my gear.

3s queue timer ~4PM EST
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3s queue timer ~7PM EST
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So, on 3s jackpot day (this a screenshot from earlier today 11/15) it's still rather slow. Going into more of a prime time, things definitely picked up, but it's not what it used to be. Now, here's where I think BGs can use some changes. I'll go in order of the battlegrounds and then talk about the jackpot.

Corsair's Stronghold: Let's open this up to level 30s again. While I know many have mixed feelings about this, I think allowing level 30s and above to queue for CS will greatly decrease the queue time and it will allow players to get a feel for some basic PvP early on. I think one of the issues PvP is rather slow at 65 is because it's something only for those at level 65. There is no longer any real PvP BG for players still leveling. I think if we allow these players back into the CS queues, it will definitely create more of an interest to those currently leveling and they will be more likely to give it a try at level 65. As for the rewards of CS, as this is being opened to level 30s, I think there also needs to be a huge incentive for them to want to do this. I think this many receive some mixed opinions, but I feel that changing the reward box to reflect a higher drop rate of emeralds may create some incentive for all players to keep playing CS. Additionally, I would try to change the reward box to reflect the FWC reward box. Make the rewards universally useful. This way, as new players level up, they will have a bit of a head start on materials and can enjoy endgame a little faster.

Fraywind Canyon: Only concern about FWC is that the reward box, currently, is much more valuable than any other BG. Because of this, only FWC seems to get popular on jackpot days. Some of the other BGs still seem a bit slow. Additionally, you even get a box when you lose. So, at the very least, you're coming out of FWC with something. I honestly think that is a great system and I think it should be implemented to other battlegrounds. I'll touch on that a bit more later.

Gridiron: Grid is sort of in the same position as CS. I don't think it should be opened to level 30s, but I think the rewards could be upgraded a bit. The current jackpot system is not enough to make it worth the wait and queue time, in my opinion.

Champion's Skyring: While I may not be the best PvPer out there, I seem to enjoy 3s the most. All of the others have some sort of catch to it that separates them from from being a "true" PvP experience. CS is more like a castle siege with siege weapons and bombs, grid has the various crystals, and FWC has the BAMs and point captures. While those don't make the BGs any less of a PvP BG, they don't have the beauty of simplicity that you find in 3s. Just a nice 3 v 3 match with no catch. However, even 3s is barely worth the time for the reward. The first match I did rewarded 4x Titan's Embers, and the second reward 4x Titan's Storm. Each queue took about 15 minutes, followed by another 5-8 minutes for the matches. Someone who decided to do 4x RG in the same amount of time is already ahead of me, even assuming I won both times.

Battleground Jackpots: Here is where my issues with the jackpots begin. If you really want to make use of the current jackpots, you better be winning 100% of your BGs. Unfortunately, that is simply not logical. Even at 50%, you are still relying on the 20% emerald to show up. So basically the likely hood of you winning an emerald, assuming you have a 50% win rate, is about 10%. As many people active in the PvP battlegrounds know, it's very hard for 1 person to make an impact on the match (excluding 3s). It really is a team effort in the end. As of recent, especially in FWC and Grid, I've noticed that one side generally dominates the entire match. Albeit there for some exceptions, but I find those to be a bit more rare. I think the following rewards, in order of how rare they should be (based on my opinion), would be most worth the time spent in a BG:
  • 2x Reward boxes (so instead of 5, you get 10).
  • 1x Diamond
  • 5x Emeralds
  • 3x Emeralds
  • 1x Titan's Essence Box (Player chooses 4x of the following: Titan's Earth, Titan's Fire, Titan's Peace, Titan's Storm)
  • 1x Emerald

Reward Boxes: Basically, the current FWC reward box should be offered in all BGs. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe FWC currently gives 6x of the box to the winning team and 1x to the losing team. These boxes will drop everything from wood scraps to essences. Obviously the rarer the material, the less you get if you actually get one. This provides an effective way for people to gear up if they want spend a large portion of their time doing PvP. With that being said, I think this should be replicated in BGs as follows:

BATTLEGROUND
Corsair's Stronghold: 3 per win. 1 per loss.
Fraywind Canyon: 5 1 per loss.
Gridiron: 5 per win. 1 per loss.
Champion's Skyring: 3 per win. 1 per loss.

Please excuse the makeshift table. I'll make a proper one when I have the time and update it. But this should illustrate my point. Now with this, it really adds a lot more incentive to PvP matches.

So, TERA community, what are your thoughts? What do you think we can do to breathe some life back into the BGs?
why not make a class for castanic male or aman or baraka i mean all is for female class dont need more gunner and no more elins
Basically the answer seems to be to do a repair and take other related actions to make sure your client is in the default state, as it does work "out of the box" after the patch.
Point of interest is working fine on Tempest Reach.
I just tested this and my POI links seem to work - at least in guild chat.
We can only hope that this will be fixed before we get the bam event.
So with HTML being disabled in-game for the time being as a precautionary measure against the recent security vulnerability, this came with the consequence of also not allowing quicklinks in chat to be clicked. Mainly this means no clicking on linked items in chat, and also no clicking on Points of Interest.

While this is at most mildly inconvenient, with the upcoming Overworld BAM Spawn event I've just realized that not being able to share PoIs of BAM spawn locations is going to make killing these BAMs in an efficient manner extremely difficult for all people involved. Not only this, it opens the floodgates for countless fake BAM spawn reports that do nothing but waste time and may result in lost loot due to people going on wild goose chases. Seeing multiple people link the same PoI in Global chat was a solid indicator of a legitimate spawn, but without that measure of verification we're all going to be running around like headless chickens trying to find the legitimate spawns while also attempting to communicate the location of these valid spawns to everyone.

Any plans for some sort of remedy to this situation? Having no way to effectively communicate the locations of BAMs is going to turn an otherwise enjoyable and profitable event into a giant headache with countless missed BAM kills due to confusion and trolls.
its been a while since i have playerd tera (way before ninja came out).

it looks like gender locks hasn't chagned, but how is overall PVP & PVE doing these days?

how can you fail at 62%, 65%, 68%, all in a row

that's 3 times fail eating 12k gold for a +2 frostmetal

this stuff is cancer, i quit
man do you even realize that 32% is HUGE chance to fail
Unbugged itself. Delete please : 3
12k gold though? Oh man... I wonder how will you feel when you get to +5 Stormcry and start enchanting from there. Youre gonna have a bad time
how can you fail at 62%, 65%, 68%, all in a row

that's 3 times fail eating 12k gold for a +2 frostmetal

this stuff is cancer, i quit

I think not.
how can you fail at 62%, 65%, 68%, all in a row

that's 3 times fail eating 12k gold for a +2 frostmetal

this stuff is cancer, i quit

sorry to hear you feel that's bad esp after what the old system was like

but seeing you quite don't forget to delete every thing so some one else gets the chance if they want your character names
how can you fail at 62%, 65%, 68%, all in a row

that's 3 times fail eating 12k gold for a +2 frostmetal

i quit
kubitoid wrote: »
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Lovely series.
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ElinUsagi wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
The Count of Monte Cristo is not a FANTASY story and revenge have nothing to do with TRAITS of a FICTIONAL CHARACTER FROM A FANTASY STORY.

Are you also trying to troll by pretending to be stupid like ElinLove did? Guys, the point of trolling is to make the other person look like an idiot, not to say stupid things and watch jaws hit the floor....

The only one trolling here is You.

And you called yourself a troll already on another post.

Don't you have memory to remember your own words?

Tell me again how you can read.
suppose we need a necromancer then
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Srosa wrote: »
that necro... shammed... but whatever...

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Znc wrote: »
Only in AV :'(

Yes ;v;
Only in AV :'(
TWMagimay wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
The Count of Monte Cristo is not a FANTASY story and revenge have nothing to do with TRAITS of a FICTIONAL CHARACTER FROM A FANTASY STORY.

Are you also trying to troll by pretending to be stupid like ElinLove did? Guys, the point of trolling is to make the other person look like an idiot, not to say stupid things and watch jaws hit the floor....

The only one trolling here is You.

And you called yourself a troll already on another post.

Don't you have memory to remember your own words?
So...shall we talk about why Elins have unnecessary belly buttons next...?

because they born from incubator in lake of tears and elinu was genious scientist like albert wesker it is why zolyn is a tyrant elin B)
So...shall we talk about why Elins have unnecessary belly buttons next...?

Belly buttons are never unnecessary, heathen. You best confess your sin this sunday, i fear for your soul.
TWMagimay wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
The Count of Monte Cristo is not a FANTASY story and revenge have nothing to do with TRAITS of a FICTIONAL CHARACTER FROM A FANTASY STORY.

Are you also trying to troll by pretending to be stupid like ElinLove did? Guys, the point of trolling is to make the other person look like an idiot, not to say stupid things and watch jaws hit the floor....

Thanks teacher, I may improve myself now
ElinUsagi wrote: »
The Count of Monte Cristo is not a FANTASY story and revenge have nothing to do with TRAITS of a FICTIONAL CHARACTER FROM A FANTASY STORY.

Are you also trying to troll by pretending to be stupid like ElinLove did? Guys, the point of trolling is to make the other person look like an idiot, not to say stupid things and watch jaws hit the floor....
LesbianVi wrote: »
wow, not letting this go lol

Worst thing about Elin is an Elin thread.

It's Vi complaining about Elins left and right and coming again with the Elin mount thing

Trolling aside (like there was anything else to do here tho), this thread should be kept alive just for the sake of fun. It's really fun seeing how people go out of their way to refute theories about the double sets of ears and get mad as heck when someone disagrees and so on
wow, not letting this go lol

Worst thing about Elin is an Elin thread.
Lol this thread is lit.
So...shall we talk about why Elins have unnecessary belly buttons next...?
NikuroTega wrote: »
Who the hell still even plays Blade and Soul? :sweat_smile:
idk i never tried bns outside russian pre-beta not-so-legal server lol but i guess there r more ppl who play bns than those who play tera these days
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
elin are created beings, not natural by any definition of the word. can't believe this made it 7 freaking pages and no one mentioned that or that this is a fantasy world of DREAMS.

That's because it's a stupid thing to mention. The question isn't "how is it possible for them to have 4 ears" but "why do they have 4 ears". And even if it was that question, it'd still be a stupid answer because it answers nothing. "It's not real, durrrr, magic" is on the same level as "If I had a wish, I'd wish for three more wishes", it instantly ends the discussion without adding any substance to it.

uh...it's a fact kid.fantasy game, based on a dreamworld and magic...trying to deny that doesn't change anything. nor does it change the lore of elin> created beings. because the goddess created them that way...hurr durr...ROFL. trying to deny this is a game and the lore/genre...lol. classic.

there's no substance here...it's all virtual...man you stepped right into that. lmao.

Nobody is trying you deny it, grandpa. You do not have some brilliant mind that came up with a solution to the problem. You have a very simple mind that can't even see what the discussion is about. EVERYONE knows it's "magic" or "because the devs made it this way" which is why only you are interested in that answer, the rest of us want something more interesting to talk about. You are literally that kid in school who, when asked, "Why does the count of Monte Cristo exact revenge?", answers "cause that's what the author wrote" while the rest of us start discussing motivations.

The Count of Monte Cristo is not a FANTASY story and revenge have nothing to do with TRAITS of a FICTIONAL CHARACTER FROM A FANTASY STORY.

And the answer to WHY? is already in the LORE of the game. If that looks disturbing from others then they are welcome to not play Elins or the game itself, as anyone who dont like crowds wont go to a baseball stadium to see a game even if they like baseball.
TWMagimay wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
elin are created beings, not natural by any definition of the word. can't believe this made it 7 freaking pages and no one mentioned that or that this is a fantasy world of DREAMS.

That's because it's a stupid thing to mention. The question isn't "how is it possible for them to have 4 ears" but "why do they have 4 ears". And even if it was that question, it'd still be a stupid answer because it answers nothing. "It's not real, durrrr, magic" is on the same level as "If I had a wish, I'd wish for three more wishes", it instantly ends the discussion without adding any substance to it.

uh...it's a fact kid.fantasy game, based on a dreamworld and magic...trying to deny that doesn't change anything. nor does it change the lore of elin> created beings. because the goddess created them that way...hurr durr...ROFL. trying to deny this is a game and the lore/genre...lol. classic.

there's no substance here...it's all virtual...man you stepped right into that. lmao.

Nobody is trying you deny it, grandpa. You do not have some brilliant mind that came up with a solution to the problem. You have a very simple mind that can't even see what the discussion is about. EVERYONE knows it's "magic" or "because the devs made it this way" which is why only you are interested in that answer, the rest of us want something more interesting to talk about. You are literally that kid in school who, when asked, "Why does the count of Monte Cristo exact revenge?", answers "cause that's what the author wrote" while the rest of us start discussing motivations.

I did say the top ones give best hearing while the bottom ones are for headphones and glasses but you guys ignore the truth.

Can you for once read a conversion before jumping into it head first?

I did, I did read the majority if not ALL of the posts here, and it's not worth bothering. It's only worth trolling back.
I mean come f*ckin' on, you out of everyone now gets pissed when people troll? Oh demn...
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
elin are created beings, not natural by any definition of the word. can't believe this made it 7 freaking pages and no one mentioned that or that this is a fantasy world of DREAMS.

That's because it's a stupid thing to mention. The question isn't "how is it possible for them to have 4 ears" but "why do they have 4 ears". And even if it was that question, it'd still be a stupid answer because it answers nothing. "It's not real, durrrr, magic" is on the same level as "If I had a wish, I'd wish for three more wishes", it instantly ends the discussion without adding any substance to it.

uh...it's a fact kid.fantasy game, based on a dreamworld and magic...trying to deny that doesn't change anything. nor does it change the lore of elin> created beings. because the goddess created them that way...hurr durr...ROFL. trying to deny this is a game and the lore/genre...lol. classic.

there's no substance here...it's all virtual...man you stepped right into that. lmao.

Nobody is trying you deny it, grandpa. You do not have some brilliant mind that came up with a solution to the problem. You have a very simple mind that can't even see what the discussion is about. EVERYONE knows it's "magic" or "because the devs made it this way" which is why only you are interested in that answer, the rest of us want something more interesting to talk about. You are literally that kid in school who, when asked, "Why does the count of Monte Cristo exact revenge?", answers "cause that's what the author wrote" while the rest of us start discussing motivations.

i answered the OP pages back...learn to read fool. AND i answered the speculation...what i didn't spell it out CLEARLY enough for you? elinu created the elin, she LIKED the extra animal ears and tails so left everything rather humanoid and just added those bits.. what part of they're created beings (in lore and by artists) didn't you get? i covered both the practical AND the lore.

the lore is what it is, the reality of the designers is also what it is. elin were created and no matter WHICH provenance you choose NOTHING is going to change that fact. want to dig deeper? almost NO ONE removes human or humanoid ears when adding animal ears of any kind. as someone else stated it makes the head look strange without them.

at best (very rarely) they'll EXTEND from the side of the head upwards or outwards to create a single pair of ears. usually you'll ONLY see that when the head itself has been modified to be more animal like.

want further speculation for why elinu did what she did? you could say because the animal ears hear better, they can swivel where the muscles to do so with human ears are vestigial at best. for sound location it would offer greater advantages then just one set of ears especially if that one set is human shaped. an elin could never be surprised, they would always hear someone coming, the direction and distance.

elin makes sense for their role and lore of tera. guardians of nature and the best predators/defenders of that nature. pitch black? irrelevant, they can locate by sound. large eyes for greater vision when there is light and being small they're harder to spot and make less noise moving. throw in stupidly strong for their size and you have the apex.

it's a wonder they never bothered to just conquer everyone else...except for their programming...maybe at some point the goddess will remove that rule...
The problem in first place that you still discuss it :lol:
ElinLove wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
elin are created beings, not natural by any definition of the word. can't believe this made it 7 freaking pages and no one mentioned that or that this is a fantasy world of DREAMS.

That's because it's a stupid thing to mention. The question isn't "how is it possible for them to have 4 ears" but "why do they have 4 ears". And even if it was that question, it'd still be a stupid answer because it answers nothing. "It's not real, durrrr, magic" is on the same level as "If I had a wish, I'd wish for three more wishes", it instantly ends the discussion without adding any substance to it.

uh...it's a fact kid.fantasy game, based on a dreamworld and magic...trying to deny that doesn't change anything. nor does it change the lore of elin> created beings. because the goddess created them that way...hurr durr...ROFL. trying to deny this is a game and the lore/genre...lol. classic.

there's no substance here...it's all virtual...man you stepped right into that. lmao.

Nobody is trying you deny it, grandpa. You do not have some brilliant mind that came up with a solution to the problem. You have a very simple mind that can't even see what the discussion is about. EVERYONE knows it's "magic" or "because the devs made it this way" which is why only you are interested in that answer, the rest of us want something more interesting to talk about. You are literally that kid in school who, when asked, "Why does the count of Monte Cristo exact revenge?", answers "cause that's what the author wrote" while the rest of us start discussing motivations.

I did say the top ones give best hearing while the bottom ones are for headphones and glasses but you guys ignore the truth.

Can you for once read a conversion before jumping into it head first?
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
elin are created beings, not natural by any definition of the word. can't believe this made it 7 freaking pages and no one mentioned that or that this is a fantasy world of DREAMS.

That's because it's a stupid thing to mention. The question isn't "how is it possible for them to have 4 ears" but "why do they have 4 ears". And even if it was that question, it'd still be a stupid answer because it answers nothing. "It's not real, durrrr, magic" is on the same level as "If I had a wish, I'd wish for three more wishes", it instantly ends the discussion without adding any substance to it.

uh...it's a fact kid.fantasy game, based on a dreamworld and magic...trying to deny that doesn't change anything. nor does it change the lore of elin> created beings. because the goddess created them that way...hurr durr...ROFL. trying to deny this is a game and the lore/genre...lol. classic.

there's no substance here...it's all virtual...man you stepped right into that. lmao.

Nobody is trying you deny it, grandpa. You do not have some brilliant mind that came up with a solution to the problem. You have a very simple mind that can't even see what the discussion is about. EVERYONE knows it's "magic" or "because the devs made it this way" which is why only you are interested in that answer, the rest of us want something more interesting to talk about. You are literally that kid in school who, when asked, "Why does the count of Monte Cristo exact revenge?", answers "cause that's what the author wrote" while the rest of us start discussing motivations.

I did say the top ones give best hearing while the bottom ones are for headphones and glasses but you guys ignore the truth.
DeadX wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
elin are created beings, not natural by any definition of the word. can't believe this made it 7 freaking pages and no one mentioned that or that this is a fantasy world of DREAMS.

That's because it's a stupid thing to mention. The question isn't "how is it possible for them to have 4 ears" but "why do they have 4 ears". And even if it was that question, it'd still be a stupid answer because it answers nothing. "It's not real, durrrr, magic" is on the same level as "If I had a wish, I'd wish for three more wishes", it instantly ends the discussion without adding any substance to it.

uh...it's a fact kid.fantasy game, based on a dreamworld and magic...trying to deny that doesn't change anything. nor does it change the lore of elin> created beings. because the goddess created them that way...hurr durr...ROFL. trying to deny this is a game and the lore/genre...lol. classic.

there's no substance here...it's all virtual...man you stepped right into that. lmao.

Nobody is trying you deny it, grandpa. You do not have some brilliant mind that came up with a solution to the problem. You have a very simple mind that can't even see what the discussion is about. EVERYONE knows it's "magic" or "because the devs made it this way" which is why only you are interested in that answer, the rest of us want something more interesting to talk about. You are literally that kid in school who, when asked, "Why does the count of Monte Cristo exact revenge?", answers "cause that's what the author wrote" while the rest of us start discussing motivations.
What you are talking about is suspension of belief. Which in most cases that you mention work fine but not for Elin ears. Theres just no reason for them to have 4 ears.
TWMagimay wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
elin are created beings, not natural by any definition of the word. can't believe this made it 7 freaking pages and no one mentioned that or that this is a fantasy world of DREAMS.

That's because it's a stupid thing to mention. The question isn't "how is it possible for them to have 4 ears" but "why do they have 4 ears". And even if it was that question, it'd still be a stupid answer because it answers nothing. "It's not real, durrrr, magic" is on the same level as "If I had a wish, I'd wish for three more wishes", it instantly ends the discussion without adding any substance to it.

uh...it's a fact kid.fantasy game, based on a dreamworld and magic...trying to deny that doesn't change anything. nor does it change the lore of elin> created beings. because the goddess created them that way...hurr durr...ROFL. trying to deny this is a game and the lore/genre...lol. classic.

there's no substance here...it's all virtual...man you stepped right into that. lmao.
Because of reasons I guess?
DeadX wrote: »
elin are created beings, not natural by any definition of the word. can't believe this made it 7 freaking pages and no one mentioned that or that this is a fantasy world of DREAMS.

That's because it's a stupid thing to mention. The question isn't "how is it possible for them to have 4 ears" but "why do they have 4 ears". And even if it was that question, it'd still be a stupid answer because it answers nothing. "It's not real, durrrr, magic" is on the same level as "If I had a wish, I'd wish for three more wishes", it instantly ends the discussion without adding any substance to it.
elin are created beings, not natural by any definition of the word. can't believe this made it 7 freaking pages and no one mentioned that or that this is a fantasy world of DREAMS.

anything is possible. you have popos with legs barely long enough to reach the ground that can keep up with humans. femanis whose feet somehow morph to fit in heels, cast fems who run by falling forward and constantly saving at the last instant. lancers that SOMEHOW can take a hit from something that out weights them by orders of magnitude and they STAND THEIR GROUND.

ffs...4 ears? pretty damn minor. it's magic, deal with it.
voidy wrote: »
Vanilla elins (i.e. not reaper/ninja) don't breathe. Watch their chests when they're standing still. They don't move.

Good idea, I dont state at their chests nearly enough.
> @Xeiryl said:
> anyone in this thread smoke weed

Yep and alot of it
E tu?
that necro... shammed... but whatever...
You can't get it if you don't have bellicarium credits.
sorry to comment on an old post but how do we get it other than bellicarium points
tisnotme wrote: »
your worried about 4 ears on an elin :p
there have been humans over the years that have been born with extra body parts having an extra nipple or two or extra fingers or toes even limbs or with both genders reproductive organs
and your really worried about 4 ears on an elin :p
why cant it be possible ??

4 ears just can't be. It's plain logically wrong. This fictional character that I didn't make up and existed far before I knew about it, should follow the rules that I did make up right now. That's how truth works and why 4 ears are as disturbing as pineapple on pizza.

Also... man... I didn't expect someone to go that far into proving me wrong on dog's hearing + theory of Kemomi... by ultimately stumbling around a lot and not quite even making me wrong/stupid on the process (??) but just changing words and repeating what we...both said

*Also: Show By Rock!! they have both pairs of ears. Check Cyan.

~I feel like Snoop Dog would be asking what kind of dank thing we using if he read all this~
tisnotme wrote: »
your worried about 4 ears on an elin :p
there have been humans over the years that have been born with extra body parts having an extra nipple or two or extra fingers or toes even limbs or with both genders reproductive organs
and your really worried about 4 ears on an elin :p
why cant it be possible ??

You forgot to mention that there have been people born stick together sharing some organs.

So that would be 4 ears, 4 eyes, 2 noses, 2 mouths and 2 heads in the same body.
your worried about 4 ears on an elin :p
there have been humans over the years that have been born with extra body parts having an extra nipple or two or extra fingers or toes even limbs or with both genders reproductive organs
and your really worried about 4 ears on an elin :p
why cant it be possible ??
seriously not sure if troll thread or not !
but goodbye threads arnt allowed and I suppose that's two of these you've done now so best you stay away so as not to make it three , bye
oh and BHS and EME thanks for the hot fix maintenance and the speed it was implemented
ElinLove wrote: »
That "quieter sounds louder" means DYNAMIC RANGE, and it's related to how big is the difference between loudest at that moment and quietest heard at the same time. Humans have about ~60db of dynamic range, dogs have way higher. They also don't just have simply an amplification of every sound whatsoever, they just perceive these quieter sounds better (OR louder, whatever you relate better) both overall and during moments with higher intensity sounds present. Not that loud sounds are even louder, it's not how dynamic range works. Otherwise they would go deaf with a pack of dogs barking.
"Louder" means "better" for laymen. "Better" is not an actual measurement of sound and is pointless to say something sounds "better" since it's an opinion. Of course, the ear separates the sound into frequency bands, so in this case "louder" applies to each band separately not to the entire sound. Dogs' hearing above 20k is also "louder" than human hearing (which is near zero or really zero) which is why it is "better".

In what world do you actually hear two sounds at the same time and not hear it louder? Doesn't matter if you're a dog, it cannot be the same, because no matter the function, summing in such function two "stuff" never produces the former unless the latter is zero (which means deaf set of ears, aka pointless). That doesn't mean that you will hear "twice" as loud, considering the human hearing itself is logarithmic and NOT linear. Yet, even summing any amount in logarithmic terms still produces a higher value (not twice as high though), and that's what I meant when I said they hear both as dog PLUS as human.

You know what the alternative is? That their hearing from their dog ears (or w/e) and their human ears gets averaged together by the brain (i.e. x+y / 2), in which case indeed, it won't be louder. What's the point of 4 ears then? Since human hearing sucks, the average between their animal hearing and human hearing ends up as something worse than animal hearing.

Even more: it means you can't "listen to human stuff while animal stuff focuses on something else" at the same time. Because if it DOES listen to both, then you must hear both at once, i.e. twice as loud (twice in whatever scale, in this case, logarithmic).

(btw what you said is the dynamic range at a given moment, not the entire dynamic range of human hearing, which is adaptable and can reach 100dB or more, just like how your eyes can adapt to the darkness etc)
ElinLove wrote: »
Usually only a furry character would have a single set of ears, in case the animal ones. There are exceptions of course, like Konohana Kitan anime this season, where (as far as I've seen at lest) they only have the animal ears, but they are also positioned as such that they would overlap the human ones in this case, in TERA they are so high up that they would end up looking like something is missing, instead of being logically replaced.
"Exceptions" sounds more like a rule to me. The kemomimi or w/e you said are for characters whose ears are usually not real or not actually part of themselves. They're decorations. But we're not talking about decorations. I've never personally seen 4 ears on any such "animal humanoid" or "furry", so to me it seems elins are the only exception. (can't say about Konohana Kitan mentioned, but classic animes with normal 2 animal ears such as Utawarerumono and Spice & Wolf kinda prove your "exceptions" wrong to me)

Also, nobody said ears have to be "so high up" like elins which is stupid by itself and NOT "cute" at all. Animal ears should go exactly where human ears are. That's the norm, not the exception.
You can go back to Blade and Soul which has maintenance extensions in the middle of the day with absolutely no explanations while their other favorite region does not.
Let's all agree here that the human ears were made to wear normal headphones and glasses meanwhile the animal ones are the added hearing benefit during fights and sneak operations through monsters
VirtualON wrote: »
2 human ears + 2 animal ears still look cute.

4 of anything else ( eyes, arms, legs ) and you are already in monstrosity territory.

Designs don't need to make sense. If you can't handle it, you need to grow up.

but dr octopus is sexy and i wish a day my cute elin look like him :3
voidy wrote: »
Vanilla elins (i.e. not reaper/ninja) don't breathe. Watch their chests when they're standing still. They don't move.

Trolling with voidy: How I will watch at something that is nowhere to be found. Elin's chest, what is that?
NikuroTega wrote: »
Twinner wrote: »
Oh well. I still have Blade and Soul.

Who the hell still even plays Blade and Soul? :sweat_smile:

Me? :#
Twinner wrote: »
Oh well. I still have Blade and Soul.

Who the hell still even plays Blade and Soul? :sweat_smile:
Twinner wrote: »
I came back after a year away from the game. I thought, give it a shot, however my experience has been less than stellar and the patch this morning was the final straw that broke the camels back. I had this morning to play for the weekend and only Enmasse could be so narcissistic to think it's alright to patch on the busiest time of the week. Oh well. I still have Blade and Soul.

Saturday early morning is not the busiest time of the week.
2 human ears + 2 animal ears still look cute.

4 of anything else ( eyes, arms, legs ) and you are already in monstrosity territory.

Designs don't need to make sense. If you can't handle it, you need to grow up.
Twinner wrote: »
I came back after a year away from the game. I thought, give it a shot, however my experience has been less than stellar and the patch this morning was the final straw that broke the camels back. I had this morning to play for the weekend and only Enmasse could be so narcissistic to think it's alright to patch on the busiest time of the week. Oh well. I still have Blade and Soul.

Tbh it was a really urgent patch that protects you from malicious activity, you should be glad it's happening now and not on Monday or any other later day.
Have a good one o/
I came back after a year away from the game. I thought, give it a shot, however my experience has been less than stellar and the patch this morning was the final straw that broke the camels back. I had this morning to play for the weekend and only Enmasse could be so narcissistic to think it's alright to patch on the busiest time of the week. Oh well. I still have Blade and Soul.
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Borsuc wrote: »
Dogs hear quiet sounds louder and can actually receive pain with high frequency sounds if it's too loud. Nevertheless, dogs have 2 ears, not 4. Logically, a dog-eared elin would hear as a dog PLUS as a human, so yeah, louder.

That "quieter sounds louder" means DYNAMIC RANGE, and it's related to how big is the difference between loudest at that moment and quietest heard at the same time. Humans have about ~60db of dynamic range, dogs have way higher. They also don't just have simply an amplification of every sound whatsoever, they just perceive these quieter sounds better (OR louder, whatever you relate better) both overall and during moments with higher intensity sounds present. Not that loud sounds are even louder, it's not how dynamic range works. Otherwise they would go deaf with a pack of dogs barking.

Also you seem to be confusing mixing with summing up sounds, you don't record louder sound with more microphones.

End of the day, sound wave and perception technicalities aside, additional set of ears is a typical kemomimi character trait, when they just have animal ears and tails added to a normal human.
Usually only a furry character would have a single set of ears, in case the animal ones. There are exceptions of course, like Konohana Kitan anime this season, where (as far as I've seen at lest) they only have the animal ears, but they are also positioned as such that they would overlap the human ones in this case, in TERA they are so high up that they would end up looking like something is missing, instead of being logically replaced.

Tho... I gotta say that... it's really friggin' stupid to battle about that as it being "wrong" or "stupid" as you're already thinking of how it should be in reality... a species that doesn't exist.


If you don't like the 4 ears, just get the elin that has hair horns instead. Apparently, someone at BHS thought rams hear out of their horns?
Vanilla elins (i.e. not reaper/ninja) don't breathe. Watch their chests when they're standing still. They don't move.
Because most animals still go for the same number of eyes, nose, mouth, and all that. The idea here is to have some animal features on a humanoid, not be an amalgamation of everything, and the ears (and tails) are the ones that make the most sense because they're the most obvious from behind or from far away.
Not following it. Animals don't have 4 years, so what sense does it make to say "they don't have 4 eyes and all that"? Tails make sense, considering humans have none: 0+1 = 1.

Ears make as much sense as having 4 eyes, 2 noses, 2 mouths, etc. And I'm pretty sure if "from far away" is your "logic", then 4 legs or 4 arms is much better distinguished from "far away" or "behind".

@ElinLove: Dogs hear quiet sounds louder and can actually receive pain with high frequency sounds if it's too loud. Nevertheless, dogs have 2 ears, not 4. Logically, a dog-eared elin would hear as a dog PLUS as a human, so yeah, louder.
hmm 4 sets of ears? does that mean they can hear things really LOUDLY?

Daily reminder dogs have a hearing many times better than us, and they DON'T hear anything louder, they just have a way higher frequency band (15Hz to 50KHz compared to 20-20K average) and higher dynamic range. So they can perceive much lower sounds together with higher intensity ones, they don't hear stuff louder.

Yes I know this has nothing to do with the topic... or does it?

Maybe Elins have the top ears for the added fidelity and spatial perception and the human ones for listening stuff on headphones!
I mean the Notes by Dolme headphones don't go on the animal ones.

*also we need floppy dog ears on our Elins, please do it BHS
phantazum wrote: »
Because if they were doing it well enough Elins would have 2 ears.

Nope.
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hmm 4 sets of ears? does that mean they can hear things really LOUDLY?
Borsuc wrote: »
Why would 2 make more sense than 4?
Why stop at ears? Give them two extra animal eyes, one extra mouth and nose, two extra furry animal arms and legs. Why would 4 ears but human amount of anything else make more sense than all-out?

Because most animals still go for the same number of eyes, nose, mouth, and all that. The idea here is to have some animal features on a humanoid, not be an amalgamation of everything, and the ears (and tails) are the ones that make the most sense because they're the most obvious from behind or from far away.

i think only spiders has more than 2 eyes

i dont know which animals has more than 2 ears
Please see Denommanator's post on this:
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/18877/status-of-potential-chat-vulnerability
Ah, the old debate of practical design vs creative design.
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Borsuc wrote: »
Why would 2 make more sense than 4?
Why stop at ears? Give them two extra animal eyes, one extra mouth and nose, two extra furry animal arms and legs. Why would 4 ears but human amount of anything else make more sense than all-out?

Because most animals still go for the same number of eyes, nose, mouth, and all that. The idea here is to have some animal features on a humanoid, not be an amalgamation of everything, and the ears (and tails) are the ones that make the most sense because they're the most obvious from behind or from far away.
Why would 2 make more sense than 4?
Why stop at ears? Give them two extra animal eyes, one extra mouth and nose, two extra furry animal arms and legs. Why would 4 ears but human amount of anything else make more sense than all-out?
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oohh... tnx... I read that post... I thought it had already been resolved

Tnx again.
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phantazum wrote: »
Because if they were doing it well enough Elins would have 2 ears.

I like them having 4.
Fite me

*ACTUALLY: I have the kitty ears maid headbands on some characters so I LIKE THEM HAVING 6
Pretty sure Elins having 4 ears is not the primary selling point for Tera.
Ardire wrote: »
having animal ears = makes sense
having animal and human ears = a great illogical feat, folly of man. a disaster.

And one making money.
having animal ears = makes sense
having animal and human ears = a great illogical feat, folly of man. a disaster.
phantazum wrote: »
Because if they were doing it well enough Elins would have 2 ears.

Why would 2 make more sense than 4?
Because if they were doing it well enough Elins would have 2 ears.
phantazum wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
phantazum wrote: »
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TWMagimay wrote: »
phantazum wrote: »
DeadX wrote: »
phantazum wrote: »
Digivolve wrote: »
phantazum wrote: »
Thats not a style, its literally, lol i dont know lets just give them 4 ears!, because the alternative takes effort.

So what's the effort-taking creative alternative?

Figuring how how to handle the sides of their heads. Attractive hair styles for it. How to make it not look weird. Takes much less effort to slap a couple ears there and proceed using common hair knowledge.

you don't seem to get several things but i'll start with a few. ears = extra poly's which = extra work for the rendering engine. 4 sets more work, 2 sets, less work.

the humanoid ears clip ANYWAY as doe the animal ears so "doing it for easy hairstyles" never entered into to it since it would be MUCH easier to style hair for NO EARS.

believe i know, i do cg work...when i do hair it's an enormous pain in the [filtered] styling around or compensating for %($*#^ ears.

so your laziness BS is just that...though they DID go lazy on another aspect of all character models...the hands. all near enough the same size that they don't look bad with weapons making it easier to set up animations and grips across the races. now you know why elin have humongous man hands.

No, im referring to the additional creativity it takes to made hair that works for a earless head.

How about you show us some creativity and make 20 different styles without ears and without just replacing the ears with hair.

Not my job

Or, in other words, you have no idea how that'd work mostly because it wouldn't.

No, I have a job and its not creating hair.

If your job is not creating hair, why do you feel competent enough to tell people whose job it is to create hair that they are not doing it well enough? When, clearly, you have no idea how hair works.
I think it's the massive heads that they have . . it's not proportionally right imo

You know, thats literally all it takes to make a loli. Change a characters head size and people freak out.
I think it's the massive heads that they have . . it's not proportionally right imo
vkobe wrote: »
kubitoid wrote: »
the most disturbing thing bout elin is devilicious costume combined with default elin voice and that certain childish face. its just 439% disgusting. but not ears. put so many ears on elin as possible. 25 30 188. i dont care

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should have had her shot from the left> show that ear ^_^ if i remember that hairstyle correctly.
kubitoid wrote: »
the most disturbing thing bout elin is devilicious costume combined with default elin voice and that certain childish face. its just 439% disgusting. but not ears. put so many ears on elin as possible. 25 30 188. i dont care

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