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Discussion of 3rd party apps is not allowed. The rules are the rules. Nothing really to discuss. Thread closed.
I'm just going to go ahead and drop this in here...

What About Proxies?
Services that promise to improve your ping and decrease lag may sound promising, but they are frequently used by hackers and criminals who want to remain anonymous. Although we do not block them by default, a proxy or server host will be blocked if it becomes a popular tool for criminal behavior.

http://support.enmasse.com/tera/does-en-masse-ip-block-based-on-region
waiting my ban
the only thing makes me keep playing is the proxy

VPN lets your launcher comes up ready to play, when you wanna get to the game, if you have it running, you can't get into the game. There are legit stuff like WTFast, Pingzapper and some vpns that help and there are illegal ones that changing IP not to be detected.

EME knows about these stuff, and also I don't see any reason to discuss about this. It is a good move, any further discussion can lead to unpleasant stuff.
dude remove noesis name from the tittle
the only thing makes me keep playing is the proxy

@Noesis

pls ban
the only thing makes me keep playing is the proxy
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/13823/cheating-and-third-party-tools-in-tera-you-wont-believe-what-happens-next#latest


I suppose we need a discussion thread about this to see what others think about it.

I am glad that EME is taking down cheaters really serious and will take instant actions right away, however I'm a bit concerned of how far people would go as for as 3rd party tools.

Honest players uses them to help improve their game, gathering statistics, and more importantly: to give them motivation to continue playing the game. So what if some [filtered] will go through youtube and streams, finds someone using those tools, and ends up reporting them. Will they be a target to potential permanent bans? The reason I say this is because Noesis mentions "any third party tool or modification".
I don't think location is the big problem right now.



The guy in this clip has sub 10ms ping in TR server (yes he has under 10ms), and look at his lagspike.
nutmeg wrote: »
Shikine wrote: »
nutmeg wrote: »
Shikine wrote: »
I would recommend you stop comparing eme to other regions

why tho, if they can implement it means it can be done here too
not asking for the impossible :anguished:

Nice try. Spacecats kindly showed us an image of how the drop increase in an instance can be done by changing a simple number from a 1 to 2 during the latest event. The fact that they haven't done so in 23 weeks means they don't plan on it. So yeah, you sorta are asking for the impossible.

You seriously think other regions had double drop the whole time? GG.
I mean they did in other regions after Valkyrie release and because HH30 won't be out for 30 weeks for every raid member to get a brooch who cleared consistently.
And because they realized that it created a frustration within their playerbase?

EME has never implemented double drop in HH. Players have expressed their frustration since like week 2 about the obtainability of Marrow Brooch. The easiest solution was just to add it as a possible exchange for like 100 Behemoth Essence. They've had almost half a year to address it. They haven't made any discussion posts regarding it, so it's clear they don't care and don't intend to change anything. So yeah, it sucks that you might not get a brooch, but begging them now with 2 weeks left isn't gonna change much.

?_? i know they never implemented it, when did I ever say that

And the fact that other regions done it may have an effect don't you think?
They will have double brooch drop for 3-4 weeks only too. Even if for 2 weeks it would be great :pleased:
But I know it won't happen, they deleted my previous thread about it too, and it was 2 weeks ago... so yeah, they are too dum and busy with other [filtered] going on like exploits, calendar items, anniversary event, bugs, etc. too even care about this. But the hope lives :chuffed:
Games like Tera should have ways to farm gold, but only if that gold is used in even larger amounts. At the moment Tera does not have places or things if you like where to spend gold so idk. If you want to do good thing for players you can realize upcoming patch next week, but I guess that will also not going to happen. I still like En Masse like a million times better from gameforge cos I am EU player. 2 years ago I did move here because one of the patches removed every single way to farm alkaheist or enigmatic scrolls in game and you could only buy them with real money from the shop. I like hard farming and I think En Masse have awesome events and with them they give enough to the players. I still hate some part of the community and there are thing that need to be changed in the game if favor of more players to be able to play more of the content in the game.
I had full vm2 gear in Tera EU and here I had full VM 6, but I also have times where I decide that this patch I will only use midd tier gear and will not be able to play that much, but with midd tier gear on brawler I can hold aggro with vm8,5 dps players in the party. Problem is that with midd tier gear people do not want me in raid for that guild bam quest so I could not do that. I will never be able to play harrowhold because I have midd tier
gear. Even tho I am skilled person and I understand mechanics of bosses, new players will not be welcome with midd tier gear from the community
in Tera. I think that the ways that you can enter and play harrowhold or go and fight that world bam guild quest should be changed in a way so that all
people can participate. In the moment the game is giving everything to the people that have everything and I do not thing that is honest way to go.
This is weird to me. It feels like it really doesn't matter if EME does another server merge, the new server will be as empty as the old ones that were merged, followed by the creation of threads talking bout "Server is dead! We need another merge!" like 2 or 3 weeks after.

To me, the only solution here, would be the approach ESO had in regard of servers: Mega Server.

For those who do not know what a Mega Server is, Is basically a HUGE server that can house all players in the game, in different "pocket realms". It is a much more advanced technology than regular servers, and is much more flexible.

A better example of how a Mega Server works, lets take for example one particular area in TERA, lets say Frontera. Imagine Frontera is the Mega Server. Currently it has only 1 channel, but as players keep logging in, the server will keep creating more of this "pocket realms" , Channels, sothey are not actually stable. The system will create or close the channels as needed depending on the amount of players in the Mega Server.

You may say, such a technology wont benefit TERA, a game that by popular belief is considered as a "dying" game, but to me, it would be the other way around. Seeing as we the NA community are at times, very nit picky about servers, a Mega Server would solve the most common, but always present, issues the game has:

- Not being able to play with friends due to being on different servers.
- Queue times from instance matching finally removed/shortened for good.
- No more feeling of server being empty or dead.
- Much more activity, which translates into more people playing together, more fun, more stuff to do, etc.
- No more server transfer hassle.
- A lot more peace of mind for EME, cause 1 server is easier to handle than 5. (At least thats what i think)

The only problem i could see in a Mega server for TERA, would be the lag. If not handle properly, every player will suffer from severe lag, specially during drop weekends, or peak times.

Once the EME Team is done with the preparations for the big PS4 and Xbox1 release, they could probably look into server issues and re consider a Mega Server, cause in the end, i believe it would be more of an investment for the future, rather than a waste. In the end, a stable server will make players happy after all.
ElinLove wrote: »
Yamazuki wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
VirtualON wrote: »
> @kamizuma said:
> eme has fulfilled my wish by giving diamond on calendar. Btw everyone make sure you make multiple accounts + claim on all servers! Bring more gold into the game!

I am surprised that EME keeps finding new ways to screw up the economy.

kek Kamizuma complaining about economy screw ups huehuehue

I see their move as only a logical one: New patch -> big influx of new players -> These have no idea how to obtain lots of money/any decent amount at all -> they need alkahests from merchants, but don't have money for it -> 10K drops on your lap and cuddles your cheeks -> drops 10K directly on merchant for the potions that are running out and that Tier 10 alkahest that you're lacking.

And balance returns without effort. Only thing I wished was that they gave it a bit sooner even, there's already quite some Lv 65 new players asking how to obtain alkahests and they've got not much more than some ~3K, they're new after all and don't know the drills of how to make quick cash.
The gold those new players spend are sent to rich players, and not removed, in addition to the fact desperate people will claim the diamond on too many accounts to be even richer than they already are. Gold then devalues again and prices rise. This is why holding on to gold is generally not something I ever do, I rarely have over 1 mil at a time and keep all value in items that would rise and I sell when the gold is needed.

I don't see how the gold these new players are getting with the diamond is magically going to make the rich richer (like that was a bad thing to begin with, coming from a player with 60K in bank right now), as like I said most of those are desperate for alkahests, the normal type, that is sold at merchants. If they're buying the alks from rich players, be it, better for them as they'll be purchasing cheaper than merchant (unless they have no brains and only their spine controls their movements in game like a worm).
Then again, "in addition to the fact desperate people will claim the diamond on too many accounts to be even richer than they already are."... I don't see how rich people would get desperate to the point of doing this. Only the ones that never been rich would go trough the effort of doing this, even I wouldn't and like I said i'm nowhere near rich.

I know about the whole inflation system, but I really don't see the moment now as a problematic point for the game economy to just give whoever logs May 5 (which won't be all players) 10K in hands. There's much more going on besides the whole "there's a lot of money being printed" right now that devalued the gold.
I see these 10K as more of a directly sunk gold than something that will get accumulated and given to the rich.

It is shown in the past that it is possible to glitch more than 5 accounts for 1 PC. With that in mind I am sure EME won't want to deal with any single person getting hold of 1 million gold just because he logs in with 100 accounts.
I don't know whoever decided that it was a good idea to put a diamond reward as a calendar reward but this is as exploitable as the diamond jackpot on the weekend. Please remove this.
MiskuChan wrote: »
xoBarb wrote: »
MiskuChan wrote: »
LHMG4YDWYJ wrote: »
Sorcs are extremely overturned..

Perma celerity
5-6s warp bartier with 2s duration
Iframes dont share CD
Sleep reset
Antistag and kd on skills

Sorcs do need nerfs

None of what you said is indicative of being overtuned.

The question is, is there counter play to everything a sorc has? The answer is yes. It doesn't compare to a 50% self heal or leash/giga, backstab etc or invisi traps. Like I said sorcs are noob stompers, but easily exploitable at higher levels of play.

you're delusional or a really bad ex-sorc main

Oh are we doing random assumptions? Okay I guess you're just a bad player who keeps getting destroyed by sorcs or a noob who hasn't learned how to deal with one.

You made a strawman and compared sorcs toolkit to other classes (which are entirely different) so its hardly an assumption at this point
nice advertising that on the official forum you're bright
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A Known Issue, but thanks for making sure we are aware of it. ;)

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/8132/known-issues-honorbound

"Bank expansions from buddyup codes that were used disappeared"
You arent the only one, i lost my 6th slot that i bought previous week from a seller

Needs to be checked this as soon as possible, many people on Fey Forest is complaining about this issue too.

Altough your things are on a TEMP bank, i would like to see my previous slots back
@CobaltDragon @Spacecats @Noesis idk any other gm that can fix this but you might get 1000 tickets about people losing bank space
I don't know if it's just me but now I have a temporary bank. I remember buying extra slots to expand my 4 already and after maint it took my bank room away.
weekly maintance its supposed to be from 7a, to 9am

but i think server were down at 6.50 right?

i didnt was playing just logged in at that hour, and down.
http://tera.enmasse.com/server-status

"Weekly server maintenance occurs on Tuesday mornings from 7–9 a.m. Pacific."
All right.


Thanks ^_^
Did you check the server status page?
There says: "Weekly server maintenance occurs on Tuesday mornings from 7–9 a.m. Pacific."
Weekly server maintenance... it happens every Tuesday.

Relax, have breakfast and the servers will be back up in about 2 hrs.
maintenance
Looked through news posts, looked through patch notes.. just a mysterious patch + servers down this morning and no information about it anywhere.


If anyone could fill me in? lol
Closing this thread since there are already multiple discussions about lag, and another rant doesn't help alleviate the problem.

I'd like to encourage you guys to help out by using the "Tools" menu in the TERA launcher, and send the generated diagnostic TXT file to diag@enmasse.com so that we can try to discern where different players are experiencing network problems and attempt to eliminate the cause.

For those saying En Masse should simply play TERA in order to experience (and then instantly fix) all network lag, please just trust me that it isn't that straightforward. The diag file really does help identify problematic routes between players and the TERA servers, so please don't discourage anyone from sending it. You're not getting us any closer to solving anyone's lag problems.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
b) Lag is a problem that exist in this game since launch and is present on every on-line game. It is not exclusive of these last years on Tera.
I have been playing since 2014 and this started to get worse mid-2016. We had server crashes before, we did have lag spikes, lag during triple drop but never NEVER as frequent as now. Do you really play this game? I wonder...
There are already open discussions on all these (mostly unrelated) topics. Please comment in those. Laundry list discussions like this tend to devolve quickly into bickering.

Also you should be able to transfer servers at this point. The problem was connected to the name reservation event. If for some reason you still can't, please create a Customer Support ticket.
Optimization is not on their end tho, that's pretty much Bluehole's bag of potatoes. I do consider the lag a serious issue and I'm still hoping they fix it, if not, sadly as most of my friends have done already, I will have to quit playing Tera due lag issues.
elinusagi can you stop spouting stupid [filtered] on this thread with walls of garbage
people even gonna try since what happened last LSC?
Great keep being delusional yea we are all ranting no worries!!! lul
Nope, EME only want banned people and sell EMP. We say for months about exploits in RMHM but EME ignored it.
Optimization? I'm play for 5 years and EME never do any optimization.
i just came to say lag

Yea the lag has always happened in events but I don't remember it being this bad for a very very long time. It started around when we got flying dragon mounts and is has only escalated since valk release. On top of the lag already caused so far, triple drop really does make it unplayable. I wanted to get elite for triple drop but I can't justify spending money on this until it's resolved.
THis happens since the very beggining of Tera.
Every time there is an event like this... Servers collapse.
Remember the times when Lab of Terror was the fashion way to get Mwa, and do it like 30 times per day in doble drop. Impossible kill that fu.....ing spider with the 1 minute silence skill, for the terrible lag of 1200/1900ms (Im used to lag of 180/220)
I'm quite sure that if EME staff logged into the game and ran RMHM and/or HH when most players are complaining about the lag, they would experience the lag themselves, first hand. Then they could run whatever diagnostic tools they want.
1. For some reason, Tera puts my GPU under 99% load. It uses 1.6 gigs on my GPU.
2. Tera uses 2.5 gigs on average in memory, but memory used is shown to be 29%. I have 64GB of RAM.
3. Within 15 minutes of running Tera, my computer will begin to freeze and lag. When I close Tera, the freezing and lag immediately go away. Last night, my graphics card actually died for a bit and took several resets to bring back online. Tera pushes my GPU temps to 71C.
4. When running BOTH For Honor and Dark Souls 3, using a combined 5 gigs of RAM and 4 gigs of VRAM, my GPU is only under 85% load and my memory used is only 27%. My system is COMPLETELY stable while these run for an hour.
5. When Tera is running, CPU usage is only 10%. My CPU usage with For Honor and Dark Souls 3 running at the moment is 30%.


Ok, so what is wrong? Tera is practically unplayable for me and it's clearly not my machine. Tera could also potentially damage my hardware.


Any ideas?


I don't think it's a RAM problem. It's clearly not a driver problem. My hardware appears to be perfectly ok. Is this just a Tera problem?
Hi all,

Lets take 30sec :

Just after maintenance and triple event : ping ok no spike

Triple event starting : lag spike ( yeah jump to 800 ms )

maybe server need upgrade ? Cause many people came back, farm, or whatever.

For people who dont have lag, please lets do some instance together, then i will see if you lag (die) or not.
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cnetdrs wrote: »
Everyone in the game is experiencing lag.
not everyone is experiencing lag. i've had zero issues., open world, dungeons, everything working perfectly. which is WHY they're asking for info, narrow down what might be causing issues for those that DO have lag.
cnetdrs wrote: »
So sad!
Donald, is that you? Back off Tera and go sending some Tomahawks to some terrorist country.

There might be always a truth to the lag, but in the past, I've seen so many things as people jump on the "I HAVE LAG" train.

- people playing wifi
- people sharing internet with their household
- people confusing lag and FPS drop
- people simultaneously streaming
- people simultaneously coding or heavily loading their PC
- people open Tera twice
- people playing on crowded ISP lines
- any many more

And if you ask them about posting their tracert - "whaat? I have no idea what you want I HAVE LAG!"

So Mr. CNETDRS, post that you have 30ms to Chicago and an ingame ping of 200.
cnetdrs wrote: »
Everyone in the game is experiencing lag. It is barely playable for some. Then you dare post the 'please send us your system specs thread'. Holy crap BHS. Could you get your act together? I have an idea for the devs who need data to troubleshoot the issue. LOG into your own [filtered] game and experience it for yourself! I can't even believe you posted that help us out thread. Like you have noooo idea what is happening in game. So sad!

Maybe you don't know what those tools do at all.

EME is asking for the log file created from theiir tracing route tools, that way they can see at which point in your path your are having the problem.
Everyone in the game is experiencing lag. It is barely playable for some. Then you dare post the 'please send us your system specs thread'. Holy crap BHS. Could you get your act together? I have an idea for the devs who need data to troubleshoot the issue. LOG into your own [filtered] game and experience it for yourself! I can't even believe you posted that help us out thread. Like you have noooo idea what is happening in game. So sad!
I for one have been taking advantage of triple exp with a 100 exp boost for a day. too bad they wont keep it that way lol. so im thankful for the exp.
Interesting I had jackpots in all my runs, sometimes even 2 (diamond and costume item).
Maybe you don't notice it since it's a feedstock? Happened to me too before I started looking out for those 75-100 drops.

But beside that I totally agree, too many things are not fixed right now.
Even dungeons like SA/MC are broken as of right now no triple drop/exp god knows why.
for one simple reply to the retards who are saying "its ur location and the isp!!!!", one, shut the [filtered] up, its not. its their AWFUL routing, if you read the post i have perfect internet everywhere else, zayo's routing is awful for the majority of the player base. and yes 100 percent increase in my ping is awful. i can still pvp, but against lower ping players, its impossible to get out of certain combos, impossible to do certain combos, etc.... my isp cant change the routing to zayo, if you think that then you are [filtered]. any isp in texas it'll do the same thing. my isp is the BEST in the entire us, my internet is better than 98 percent of ppl in the US. you are a moron if you think its anything related to my end. zayo is trash.
Just did 5 DFNM 2 had jackpots and 3 didnt considering it's one of only dungeons popping alot in the que so yea sucksville
fyi they fixed the server transfer issue
laggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

i had a lot of lag spikes today
So we've had horrid lag for almost 2 weeks
We cant do server transfers IF our name is taken without changing name first (ps they wont refund if you buy a name change) that broke almost 2 months ago
game optimization....no idea how long its needed fixed
the so called boss drops you can bet they only drop 50% of the time to fix event all you had to do was reveal jackpot before last boss not at start.
Buddy strongbox keys that dont work on any lockbox

Can Tera please get some actual fixing love instead of adding more cash shop items patches etc, you're losing more players due to broken things more then anything else
ElinLove wrote: »
We all know it's gonna be the Bard from He-ll, playing mad metal solos on his flaming guitar while it debuffs the enemies and buffs the party with each perfect note hit
Dragon mounts buff the Bard from He-ll specially more than any other class. Cause dragons and metal are just awesome.
The VM gear will be the double Gibson SG that can be played by 2 players at the same time, buffing the party, debuffing the enemy, dealing damage and healing all at the same time with 4 hands playing it at the same time.

Elins will get a Babymetal exclusive costume
ElinUsagi wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
We all know it's gonna be the Bard from He-ll, playing mad metal solos on his flaming guitar while it debuffs the enemies and buffs the party with each perfect note hit
Dragon mounts buff the Bard from He-ll specially more than any other class. Cause dragons and metal are just awesome.
The VM gear will be the double Gibson SG that can be played by 2 players at the same time, buffing the party, debuffing the enemy, dealing damage and healing all at the same time with 4 hands playing it at the same time.

Elins will get a Babymetal exclusive costume

This class would make a hit on Male Castanic and Male Highelf

I can see it now and ill call him slash-er
kinda like
http://i57.tinypic.com/2zzqcrq.jpg
crossed with
https://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/blogs/lists/slash_lotd_main.jpg
msoltyspl wrote: »
You forget KR running on the same piece of crappy software, handling uncomparably bigger load. With no issues.

We'd need more data to support that there are really "no issues"; I can't prove that's the case, or if they are or are not under "uncomparably bigger load" (just because they have fewer world servers doesn't necessarily mean they have less instance servers; it's not a one-to-one ratio). But even still there are differences between the architecture of the servers across regions as well that could contribute to problems ultimately caused by the software. (As we also know, there are differences in the clients between regions that also cause different performance bottlenecks.)

msoltyspl wrote: »
YIt's not network issue, at least not up to whatever presents their public IPs. It's been proven already. The game regularly falls apart for any sized parties - at the same time for everyone, while you can have crystal clear syn ping running in background with no drops and nearly no jitter.

There are multiple issues going on at once that do affect people at the same time. There definitely are routing-related problems that impact a lot of people as well, even if that's not this specific issue under periods of apparent load on instance server. When people complain about "lag", it is important to understand which symptom they're referring to in particular.
msoltyspl wrote: »
TERA's network protocol is particularly sensitive to ping fluctuations.

It's pile of garbage, ignoring existence of world outside Seoul borders. But that's irrelevant.
But, that being said, I really don't believe that the entire issue here actually has anything to do the location of the servers (although routing is a problem for a lot of people), or the raw power of the servers at all (like just bumping up the processor/RAM or something would fix).

a) It's not network issue, at least not up to whatever presents their public IPs. It's been proven already. The game regularly falls apart for any sized parties - at the same time for everyone, while you can have crystal clear syn ping running in background with no drops and nearly no jitter.

Whether EME comprehends it or not is another thing. Regardless, they should start looking seriously for the issue, or hire people who can. The performance is a joke considering how depopulated the game is now (b) compared to say 2012, where such issues didn't exist - save mchm during drop events).

The game is actively losing players because of that. And t-p while capable of helping with potato netcode, won't help with their servers unable to handle laughably basic load.

And the reasons might be many, including failing hardware, insufficient / imporperly implemented infrastructure (at any level), and so on.
Looking at the conditions where the lag occurs during content, my honest bet is that there are problems with the coding of the server software as well.

c) You forget KR running on the same piece of crappy software, handling uncomparably bigger load. With no issues.

a) Mind to share with us your proofs, something more than words.

b) Lag is a problem that exist in this game since launch and is present on every on-line game. It is not exclusive of these last years on Tera.

c) You forget that Korea has a rather small size as a country and has 10 times better infracstructure than USA. Also they network has basically only one route to their server, something diferent from USA.
TERA's network protocol is particularly sensitive to ping fluctuations.

It's pile of garbage, ignoring existence of world outside Seoul borders. But that's irrelevant.
But, that being said, I really don't believe that the entire issue here actually has anything to do the location of the servers (although routing is a problem for a lot of people), or the raw power of the servers at all (like just bumping up the processor/RAM or something would fix).

It's not network issue, at least not up to whatever presents their public IPs. It's been proven already. The game regularly falls apart for any sized parties - at the same time for everyone, while you can have crystal clear syn ping running in background with no drops and nearly no jitter.

Whether EME comprehends it or not is another thing. Regardless, they should start looking seriously for the issue, or hire people who can. The performance is a joke considering how depopulated the game is now (compared to say 2012, where such issues didn't exist - save mchm during drop events).

The game is actively losing players because of that. And t-p while capable of helping with potato netcode, won't help with their servers unable to handle laughably basic load.

And the reasons might be many, including failing hardware, insufficient / imporperly implemented infrastructure (at any level), and so on.
Looking at the conditions where the lag occurs during content, my honest bet is that there are problems with the coding of the server software as well.

You forget KR running on the same piece of crappy software, handling uncomparably bigger load. With no issues.
Jinsoyun wrote: »
Yamazuki wrote: »
streetdog wrote: »
There isnt much sense in not doing anything about it either. It's been ongoing issue for VERY long time.
The West Coast isn't "more stable". Chicago has been picked in recent years for a good reason. It would just get worse unless you're at the West Coast.

Can confirm, west coast would be a LOT worse. The strange thing is though, I do not see this problem with other game servers in Chicago Ex. League or wow.

TERA's network protocol is particularly sensitive to ping fluctuations. But, that being said, I really don't believe that the entire issue here actually has anything to do the location of the servers (although routing is a problem for a lot of people), or the raw power of the servers at all (like just bumping up the processor/RAM or something would fix). Looking at the conditions where the lag occurs during content, my honest bet is that there are problems with the coding of the server software as well.

(Considering all the optimization problems with the client, I don't think it makes any sense to believe the server code is a shining beacon of performance optimization. My guess is that the server "crunches" at busy times just like the client does, and the combination of the two is what causes these wrecks in content like HH.)

Incidentally, if this theory is true, the attributed quote may not be a lie from EME's point of view. The servers may be, by the numbers, the most powerful servers they've ever had for the game (which makes sense given the march of technology). Of course, if the software running on the server is bad, it doesn't matter, just like how, on the client side, people with blistering-fast PCs struggle to get a stable 30fps, nevermind 60. In both cases, it's just a computer running software at the end of the day, and it's only as good under load as the programmers who optimized it.

This would make perfect sense unless ktera, EU and other regions were free of this problem, which I don't know about. Does anyone know if they suffer this as well or more or less the same?
Jinsoyun wrote: »
Yamazuki wrote: »
streetdog wrote: »
There isnt much sense in not doing anything about it either. It's been ongoing issue for VERY long time.
The West Coast isn't "more stable". Chicago has been picked in recent years for a good reason. It would just get worse unless you're at the West Coast.

Can confirm, west coast would be a LOT worse. The strange thing is though, I do not see this problem with other game servers in Chicago Ex. League or wow.

http://kotaku.com/league-of-legends-is-building-its-own-network-to-kill-l-1677872200

Blizzard have the money too so they could be doing something similar
Madnero wrote: »
@Dhrizzit I don't understand how stupid can u be.
It might not be his fault, but do u see how bad that server lag is???
Which is the whole point of this thread and calling out spacecats name to get his attention.
Tempest Reach's lag is absolutely CANCER.
Literally all they need to do is close all those other trash servers, grab some money togheter and put those players all togheter and invest on a better and bigger server.
Literally 2 raids in HH and TR just cant handle it while u see MT having 4-5 at once and having maybe some minor lags?

How is he stupid? naming is against forums rules. That title needs to change, it will be moded or removed.
problems with the coding of the server software as well.

Would make sense when related to other issues such as Dreamstorm.
Madnero wrote: »
@Dhrizzit I don't understand how stupid can u be.

You're a hateful moron, please don't post anymore
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Jinsoyun wrote: »
Yamazuki wrote: »
streetdog wrote: »
There isnt much sense in not doing anything about it either. It's been ongoing issue for VERY long time.
The West Coast isn't "more stable". Chicago has been picked in recent years for a good reason. It would just get worse unless you're at the West Coast.

Can confirm, west coast would be a LOT worse. The strange thing is though, I do not see this problem with other game servers in Chicago Ex. League or wow.

TERA's network protocol is particularly sensitive to ping fluctuations. But, that being said, I really don't believe that the entire issue here actually has anything to do the location of the servers (although routing is a problem for a lot of people), or the raw power of the servers at all (like just bumping up the processor/RAM or something would fix). Looking at the conditions where the lag occurs during content, my honest bet is that there are problems with the coding of the server software as well.
Madnero wrote: »
@Dhrizzit I don't understand how stupid can u be.

Literally 2 raids in HH and TR just cant handle it while u see MT having 4-5 at once and having maybe some minor lags?

Same [filtered] happens in CH~ It's every server...

Wyoming iirc was where Wonderholm was located. So if you're closer to he East coast, it would make sense that you'd have higher ping there.
Where was located that Wonderholme test server?
Cause that one wasn't any more stable for me, and also had way higher ping. My normal is already a nice 180ms, and there it was 240ms stable.
metagame wrote: »
Zoknahal wrote: »
They should stop investing on unstable servers on Chicago, and start looking at some better options at the West Coast.
heII yea dude

gimme 5 ping

heII no dude

gimme 5 ping
Yamazuki wrote: »
streetdog wrote: »
There isnt much sense in not doing anything about it either. It's been ongoing issue for VERY long time.
The West Coast isn't "more stable". Chicago has been picked in recent years for a good reason. It would just get worse unless you're at the West Coast.

Can confirm, west coast would be a LOT worse. The strange thing is though, I do not see this problem with other game servers in Chicago Ex. League or wow.
streetdog wrote: »
There isnt much sense in not doing anything about it either. It's been ongoing issue for VERY long time.
The West Coast isn't "more stable". Chicago has been picked in recent years for a good reason. It would just get worse unless you're at the West Coast.
There isnt much sense in not doing anything about it either. It's been ongoing issue for VERY long time.
Zoknahal wrote: »
They should stop investing on unstable servers on Chicago, and start looking at some better options at the West Coast.

For a ping dependent game it makes no sense to have servers in the West when for Canada and the United States the population is at the East.
Zoknahal wrote: »
They should stop investing on unstable servers on Chicago, and start looking at some better options at the West Coast.
heII yea dude

gimme 5 ping
Madnero wrote: »
Literally 2 raids in HH and TR just cant handle it while u see MT having 4-5 at once and having maybe some minor lags?

Our raids also have the exact same thing happen it's not just "minor lags", the servers have been freezing like this in HH since it was released but whenever someone tries to talk about lag on forums it's apparently our whole raid's ISP issue ^^
They should stop investing on unstable servers on Chicago, and start looking at some better options at the West Coast.
@Dhrizzit I don't understand how stupid can u be.
It might not be his fault, but do u see how bad that server lag is???
Which is the whole point of this thread and calling out spacecats name to get his attention.
Tempest Reach's lag is absolutely CANCER.
Literally all they need to do is close all those other trash servers, grab some money togheter and put those players all togheter and invest on a better and bigger server.
It's just the usual triple drop lag making things worse than usual, it should die down once triple drop finishes.
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spacecats dont have the fault, change your title man
that rubberbanding. ouch.
you should see how was lot mwa farm during 3x.
if you played that time, you wouldnt see the lag is bad
The people who complain about this are the ones that already took full advantage. This was an easy way to make a lot of gold before anyone found out. Most of the people that knew are the same people that have millions in the game. To complain now after the fact was a clever way to keep themselves on top. "Remove diamonds" you may as well say "Remove diamonds because I've already indulged before anyone else found out about this". What is funny is that I guarantee these same people in the past found similar exploits or "get rich" schemes and is the very reason why they have millions to begin with.

What enmasse should do is remove the diamonds from the people who were exploiting including any gold they got out of selling the diamonds as well. That's their punishment for taking advantage of this loophole. Letting them off the hook is essentially supporting what they did. You fixed it so this can't be done anymore, but what about the people who walked away with all those diamonds and gold? Letting them off the hook shows the community that it's okay to cheat to get ahead in this game.

Perhaps we should all cheat so we can be rich together. Being an honest player gets you no where..

Let's start with hijacking rally bam ambush boxes from newbs that don't look at loot rules! :proud:
The people who complain about this are the ones that already took full advantage. This was an easy way to make a lot of gold before anyone found out. Most of the people that knew are the same people that have millions in the game. To complain now after the fact was a clever way to keep themselves on top. "Remove diamonds" is like saying "Remove diamonds because I've already indulged". What is funny is that I guarantee these same people in the past found similar exploits or "get rich" schemes and is the very reason why they have millions to begin with.

What enmasse should do is remove the diamonds from the people who were exploiting including any gold they got out of selling the diamonds as well. That's their punishment for taking advantage of this loophole. Letting them off the hook is essentially supporting what they did. You fixed it so this can't be done anymore, but what about the people who walked away with all those diamonds and gold? Letting them off the hook shows the community that it's okay to cheat to get ahead in this game.

Perhaps we should all cheat so we can be rich together. Being an honest player gets you no where..

Let's start with hijacking rally bam ambush boxes from newbs that don't look at loot rules! :proud:
Ahem, I think I've figured out how it works thanks to all these posts. Just saying.
P.S. I rarely run dungeons and I have no intentions of using it.
The people who complain about this are the ones that already took full advantage. As mentioned in previous comments this was an easy way to get gold and they took full advantage of it before a lot of people could. These are the same people who have millions in the game. To complain now after the fact was a clever way to keep themselves on top. "Remove diamonds" all together is like saying in other words "Remove diamonds because I've already indulged and now I don't want to lose value on my in game items. If everyone has money I won't be able to sell those items for the same price". What is funny is that I guarantee these same people in the past found similar exploits or "get rich" schemes and is the very reason why they have millions to begin with.
SocateKun wrote: »
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> 1. I opened 350 lach chests and got 1 hankie.
> 2. You can only get 1 hankie a week by spamming bgs.
> 3. It is mEME's fault for not looking into this sooner or delaying triple drop till they fixed [filtered].
> 4. People that exploited already got their mats, you're mostly punishing honest players here.
> 5. A promise is a promise, im tired of white knights that can't even run RMNM without dying saying its "deserved", because it's not.
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> bad rng im guess, they are cheap now, no point for no open more boxes, 2 chars means 2 ladys in a week. and smart boxes still droops in Raly . im dont see the point

Bad rng my backside,EME controlls all rng in the game,the exploit was there since first days of release,on ru tera people have been exploiting it and glich cdr any time they can.
I opend close to 1,5k to get 10 for the rest of the mats i did 4 months of bg.
All those 4 months were only for vm8 weapon!

yes, bad rng, im only buy one lady from bg, the rest came up from jackpots, sea chest (3) , im dont remember if fwc box droop too, same for kumas chest, liliths treasure and lacheliths treasure ( im get one ladys from lilith treasue),this boxes are cheap now, maybe im saw leess issues because im only get ambush in 2 characters.
Lets just say from some personal knowledge ( not saying I did or did not do it ) IT DEFINITELY APPLIED DOUBLE DROP 100% it worked, and uh IT WAS DEFINITELY THE BEST IDEA NOT TO APPLY TRIPLE DROP ON RMHM TO AVOID PEOPLE EXPLOITING THE BAD CODING OF BLUEHOLE. If they let this go by it would just ruin the economy further and cause some people disadvantage as they do not want to exploit.
Several ppl here are admiting that.

Good work EME, te ones abusing exploits are coming without you having to investigate them.

^^
did OP just admit to using the exploit
This is exactly why people, especially those on forums, should NEVER be listened when it comes to handling the game.


Glitching was never a popular thing to do, it removed JOP 100% and on top of that, clears didn't count in your profile, so you couldn't title farm with it. And this is why glitching was never popular after the first days when people learned about it (just for the info, you can still glitch it now, and very very few people do it, certainly not because they are afraid of ban lol)
Starryskys wrote: »
iTzHao wrote: »
Can you test it yourself Spacecats if triple drop exploit glitch for RMHM even give triple drop at last boss? During double drop a couple or few weeks ago IDK when, it did not have double drop during last boss. So resetting and doing the dungeon normally gave actual double drop. Please confirm it yourself so you can [filtered] fix this event since the only good dungeon to is RMHM. Exploiting it is actually more cancerous than actually doing the dungeon too, just saying. You save more time by just doing the dungeon the normal way maybe because I don't run with complete garbage players. Thanks!

-Pyonta The God of TR

A nice idea but they would not consider doing this b/c it violates there contract renting the ownership of the game. Allowing third party programs to intentionally alter the game is a big no for pretty much any big contract out there.

Someone would have to take a video of it not working for them but they can't do that because it is not currently triple drops in rmhm. So lastly the only thing to be done is to sumbit a video of rmhm last boss glitched during the double drops to make it proof for them.
iTzHao wrote: »
Can you test it yourself Spacecats if triple drop exploit glitch for RMHM even give triple drop at last boss? During double drop a couple or few weeks ago IDK when, it did not have double drop during last boss. So resetting and doing the dungeon normally gave actual double drop. Please confirm it yourself so you can [filtered] fix this event since the only good dungeon to is RMHM. Exploiting it is actually more cancerous than actually doing the dungeon too, just saying. You save more time by just doing the dungeon the normal way maybe because I don't run with complete garbage players. Thanks!

-Pyonta The God of TR

A nice idea but they would not consider doing this b/c it violates there contract renting the ownership of the game. Allowing third party programs to intentionally alter the game is a big no for pretty much any big contract out there.
streetdog wrote: »
RMHM glitching resulted in joy of party being 0%, which negated the effect of tripple drop back then. So people who were sane in the head didn't glitch it.

People who wrote to spacecats to "report" are morons and they are the reason why triple drop was disabled in rmhm, not the people who glitched. Because glitching had exactly the opposite effect and actually harmed people who used to do it.

This. EME isn't checking the facts about these exploits. In both this case and the TERA rewards one, there is no actual harm being done. Players won't be utilizing the rmhm exploit b/c there is no triple drop applied after the first run. They would still have to reset the instance and use reset scrolls. Not to mention, players that tend to abuse this exploit most likely have multiple alts with ambush, so it's not an issue for them either way. All EME did by excluding RMHM from the event was make it harder for players that don't exploit to farm their gear.
RMHM glitching resulted in joy of party being 0%, which negated the effect of tripple drop back then. So people who were sane in the head didn't glitch it.

People who wrote to spacecats to "report" are morons and they are the reason why triple drop was disabled in rmhm, not the people who glitched. Because glitching had exactly the opposite effect and actually harmed people who used to do it.
Hey Dhrizzt, I think you mean the 'no spheres' glitch that is legal to use. Most dungeons allow you to skip certain mechs - SSH double debuff, BP circles etc. If you don't want to glitch spheres make a 'no glitching' lfg.

As far as I know you forced spheres on multiple groups by rushing Lache before everyone was ready. That's why nobody wants to run with you now. Haven't you noticed that there are multiple LFGs that fill up quickly and yours is still empty for hours?

I understand that you value challenge, but most ppl are bored with RMH after ~100 clears and just want to farm mats efficiently. You can't forcefully push your approach to Tera as 'the one and only right'. The Tera code is that LFG does not say 'not skipping mech' it means that party is skipping any mech if possible. I have no idea why are you so against RMH glitch but happily let healers skip BP in the same time.
Why do people do this? What is so fun/funny about purposely wasting your own time just to purposely lose via trolling as Mama Kuma!??
It's so frustrating, I've played this game for hours today and have only won on Kumas once, and the reason behind a lot of the losses is because of people throwing. And I'm not making the assumption that a newbie/bad mama = throwing, these people are literally typing "LOLOL IM THROWING! or "IM THROWING JUST SO U KNOW! lul" in chat before doing just that.

There's no recourse, those of us wanting to play honestly can't fight back, and it's so unfair. I just want to enjoy some pvp and finish my quest, the XP earned is really high atm yet I can't get a single win largely because of people like this.


My first guttural instinct is to hate these people, but after my frustration backs off I honestly pity them, since I realize that you have to be a really miserable person with a doubly miserable life to purposely try and ruin peoples time/enjoyment of a game. Your irl must so awful and pathetic for you to come on the internet and purposely set your goal for the night as ruining the game for other people over and over and over again, with those big brass [filtered] that you only get to have behind the anonymity the internet affords you.
I just wanna give up. I don't think I'll be able to deal with another thrower, I hate the feeling of helplessness in situations like this. None of the options in the report section fit "throwing" and there's no "Other" where i could type in what I'm reporting them for.......and on the other hand, if the thrower doesn't talk in chat I can't seem to be able to report them at all! I pressed tab, went to battle group, and tried to click their name in the party ui on the side - nothing worked..........-sigh-

I know, it's the internet, and sadly people like to act like a-holes on the internet and we just have to deal with it, but throwing in this manner over and over and over again is particularly mean-spirited and sad imo.....
Earlier today, one of the Mama Kuma throwers i ran into actually was calling everyone the n-word, f*gg*ts, and etc., and I couldn't report them. I opened a ticket about this person and included screenshots but I can't help but feel they'll get away with it.
It's just disheartening, makes me not want to play anymore. -sigh-


I'm sorry for writing a book, I just didn't know where else to vent.
don't worry bro. im not you.
iTzHao wrote: »
Dhrizzit wrote: »
iTzHao wrote: »
nah what im asking is. he needs to test it himself if the exploit gives triple drop or normal drops. during the exploit last week. it gave normal drops if u exploit it instead of doing the dungeon normally.

edit: whenever the last double drop was

last double event rmhm was dropping 6 ladies to glitch people, and already gms said rmhm its disabled from the event of drop

thanks for confirmation bro! now new plan. day 1. watch peopel who exploit. ban them for 3 days so we can enjoy triple drop and give people no incentive to exploit EZPZ

oh. and ban people who use injectors. THANKS! WE NEED TO PLAY E T H I C AL TERA. ban anyone for 3 days who glitches last boss too THANKS!

hear me

if you continue saying what i said, the only thing u are going to win here its what they are doing to me, for example, i was kicked for rmhm for dont glitch, now that people who hates me because i ask this, hates me and dont let me get behemoth, because behemoth needs 30 ppl, so if that people dont agree " small group of people " for example, you and me, dont enter to HH, so, HH its technically, a "dark thing" now in tera NA

so if yo ucontinue doing this post of " justice " probabbly they are going to do you the same

when i reported exploits that makes people win more money than " diamond triple drop " or rmhm glitch, i won a lot of hate from the community because many people entered to the game each day, just log in to do that

well

so be carefully, and if this is your name in game, try to post this thing with another name in forum

remember its a part of my job study how the people is in the deep web, how they react, how justiice works in this deeply sites " games "

most of them are kids, people believe kids are the best innocent and good person in the world, but this things happen in a game, you could imagine outside the game what corrupt things and dark things can happen

this is just an example, so be carefull, when you report something doing justice, because remember world its more " yang " to "ying"
Dhrizzit wrote: »
iTzHao wrote: »
nah what im asking is. he needs to test it himself if the exploit gives triple drop or normal drops. during the exploit last week. it gave normal drops if u exploit it instead of doing the dungeon normally.

edit: whenever the last double drop was

last double event rmhm was dropping 6 ladies to glitch people, and already gms said rmhm its disabled from the event of drop

thanks for confirmation bro! now new plan. day 1. watch peopel who exploit. ban them for 3 days so we can enjoy triple drop and give people no incentive to exploit EZPZ

oh. and ban people who use injectors. THANKS! WE NEED TO PLAY E T H I C AL TERA. ban anyone for 3 days who glitches last boss too THANKS!
Fruits wrote: »
All this talk about exploits is making people curious and searches about it. EME should have just kept quiet about the exploits for tera rewards and Ruinous Manor.

yes, last global searchs on google report what you say.

sad
All this talk about exploits is making people curious and searches about it. EME should have just kept quiet about the exploits for tera rewards and Ruinous Manor.
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