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TERA PC - General Discussion: Exposing the rampant kicking system of battlegrounds in the PvP community
DISCLAIMER: I understand the rules of the forum on using direct names of others. What I show you today is a 1 month investigation I took on a not so private community of most players that regularly make up the numbers in ShoreHold. The group in question is part of a more executive sub community in one of the major PvP discords on the North American server.

As many of you may have been on the forums, and like me, have seen many normal people getting kicked from bgs just because of the elitist system in place that is being being frequently abused going unpunished. Most of us has caught on that if you are not friends with the groups that do SH, you can easily be replaced despite having good gear(the reason you are told if you were kicked) because the people with numbers want their friend to take your spot. Some of us stopped playing and just didn't want to deal with it. Some of us decided that it is what it is and didn't mind being harassed if they can eventually get a few games. Well it is much more than that.

Here is the bold incriminating part of this post. tl;dr The discord in question has a point system rewarding the individuals who have kicked the most at the end of each period as part of establishing a hierarchy within their society. The number of people partaking in this club is STAGGERING.

What does this mean? For starters I infiltrated this group by approaching specific players establishing good relationships with them. The said problem in question isn't unknown, but it still took several weeks until I was given permission to participate. From what I understand, the origin of the numbers who made up this discord was from major guild leaders of the top PvP and CU guilds. From there on, they wanted to make the most out of the rewards when Fraywind Canyon was still in place, reaping the rewards of getting golden and silver talents and then distributing the accumulated wealth among the members and leaders of this group.How this is done is quite on paper. They use third party programs to manipulate the queues and somehow group all the veterans with each other and the result is that they will often face inexperienced individuals to easily dominate the game. As I have seen during my acceptance into the PvP discord, they have a point system rewarding the first person who initiate and get anyone kicked, with the actual completion of this sickening competition itself being whenever someone else from their side takes the now vacant spot.

From the tally system they have hanging in this 300 member strong group, I can tell that some points can be as high as 180 points for each week. That means some players have KICKED MORE THAN 180 PEOPLE for this server. This clearly means that undergeared, PvE people aren't the only ones being kicked randomly, but anyone who isn't with most of the people who make up the currently ShoreHold will likely be abused by their system. The rewards for the top "scores" written by their guidelines receive a higher ranking in the sub server(there are 5 roles in hierarchy), costume skins and mount prices, and finally a very feasible amount of gold, topping 800k this month so far.

Result: I do not think EME would accept such a system in place by specific people in Tera. This is clearly a manipulative, abusive, private 3rd party system in place and they are reaping rewards from your normal player. I would like this post to fully inform my brothers who have complained about this going on multiple times but have been ignored. I have seen many people stating that PvP as soon as the event ends, as kicking is just too big of a problem. I hope you read this and understand what is going on. I want your voice to be heard. I tried to follow guidelines with the forum rules by not listing any guild or specific names, and keeping a lot of it vague.
nice conspiracy, alex jones
TERA PC - General Discussion#3 Neatoz05/20/2019, 08:45 PM
This dude must be smoking mids, dont want to be kick get a minimum of +4 preferably +6 for shorehold. People dont get kicked in cs or grid and those are the bgs you need to gear before even heading into shore. No one wants undergeared people who have no clue what they are doing on their team. Same logic apply to pve do you want some in frostmetal +6 or full ho, its not fun sitting in a dng with undergeared people who are just slamming their head into the keyboard. Just like in bgs no one wants people who cant even play their class and who are heavily undeargeared. There is no 3rd party sync module you ape wanna know how all the "top pvp guilds" get on the same team, go to north dock and insta q after you get out a bg
If this is true, they formed a street gang to exploit PvP rewards. That's... kind of amazing, in a frightening way.
Neatoz wrote: »
People dont get kicked in cs or grid [snip] its not fun sitting in a dng with undergeared people who are just slamming their head into the keyboard. Just like in bgs no one wants people who cant even play their class and who are heavily undeargeared.

Actually, you DO get kicked in CS, me and some of my guildmates who run CS, are being targeted by a lot of random ppl trying to kick us all the time when they see us in CS. Is not just ShoreHold, it happens in all of the BGs.

True, it isnt fun to sit on a dungeon with undergeared people to drag us down.
That is why we were born with a mouth and the ability to speak (or type in this case) Always be polite, ask first if the undergeared know what they are doing, if they know the mechs or just started learning, or just need more practice. The same goes for those undergeared people. If you know your gear will be a liability in the dungeon, warn your party first. If you know you arent very good at the dungeon yet, and need practice, tell your party.
Words go a long way, and often end up better than just initiating a kick out of the blue. We veterans should be the ones doing the talk and all, stablishing a good mentor - apprentice relationship with the newer players, sadly, we hardly do that and often just want quick "Flawless" runs.

That being said, if the undergeared person is just, not doing its part, and refuse to speak, then a kick is justified.

As for OP, where the hell you get that from? I mean, yeah, i knew of geared ppl kicking anyone who isnt +6 and above in shorehold, but the evidence you said you already gave to EME, sounds very fishy to me, care to elaborate? With no concrete evidence, no one will believe you in this forums.
no one wants people in pve gear or low pvp gear who dont know pvp in their sh games
no one wants people in frost who dont know what a burn is in their 4 star dungeons

if you are getting kicked you are at fault, instead of potentially holding the team back play the content you are supposed to play first, gear up in grid and cs before u go to 'endgame pvp'
no one wants people in pve gear or low pvp gear who dont know pvp in their sh games
no one wants people in frost who dont know what a burn is in their 4 star dungeons

if you are getting kicked you are at fault, instead of potentially holding the team back play the content you are supposed to play first, gear up in grid and cs before u go to 'endgame pvp'

They are kicking people from "enemy guilds" not because they are bad or have bad gear, they are actually abusing the kicking system. Not like you are implying.
Zoknahal wrote: »
Neatoz wrote: »
People dont get kicked in cs or grid [snip] its not fun sitting in a dng with undergeared people who are just slamming their head into the keyboard. Just like in bgs no one wants people who cant even play their class and who are heavily undeargeared.


As for OP, where the hell you get that from? I mean, yeah, i knew of geared ppl kicking anyone who isnt +6 and above in shorehold, but the evidence you said you already gave to EME, sounds very fishy to me, care to elaborate? With no concrete evidence, no one will believe you in this forums.

EME and Moderators will delete the evidence from abuse of the system, cheats or exploits, if we share it on forums and it may get us getting banned.

I have had post being deleted/edited because of that. And those were not even call outs.
I left their Discord and gave up on PvP ever since..

It is very unpleasant to see a couple of players deciding who to win and who to lose ( depending on guild ) to gear up slower or faster.. And even who to get ranks on leaderboards or who to not get... since they simply make sure to kick any challenger for the top 3 ranks to make that player lose points so they can crown themselves the champions of any chosen battleground..

p.s. they go as far to even go on alts to kick certain players while being anonymous
TERA PC - General Discussion#10 Erazus05/20/2019, 11:05 PM
What the ... I have been PvPing since forever, I know all the people that are on all the PvP leaderboards, basically anything about Tera PvP because it is so small. I have never heard, ever, of a discord (or third-party like you said) that has 300 PEOPLE PARTICIPATING in it. That is like the entirety of the current playerbase playing PvP times 2!
Big props to this man and his underground work.

I always knew there was something up, but for players to resort to an organized system of griefing just for a video game is beyond pathetic.

I'll stay in my realm of fishing :)
TERA PC - General Discussion#12 Emeris605/21/2019, 01:53 AM
People only kick others who, if we're being realistic, contribute nothing to the team. I have 1 shot heroic people with my unsheath on slayer with nothing but absolute base pvp gear, and the disparity between base pvp gear and +9 pvp gear is just as much if not worse.

They should honestly either nerf the gear difference to make it more fair, or simply block people who don't have +6 from entering like they do with ilvl's for dungeons.

Edit: As a disclaimer I don't play shorehold because it really is a toxic place to be
TERA PC - General Discussion#13 Xandervb05/21/2019, 02:37 AM
The most shocking part of this post is that Tera NA still has at least 300 active PvPers. Man, that's crazy.
EJECWCWG55 wrote: »

They are kicking people from "enemy guilds" not because they are bad or have bad gear, they are actually abusing the kicking system.

you act like they know any of the fod they are kicking on a personal level, they are desperate enough to have someone they don't like on their team if it means winning. if they know the person then they are probably not a bad player vs the fod they'd get if they kick.
TERA PC - General Discussion#15 Zoknahal05/21/2019, 03:11 AM
If said info the OP has is true, then we have ourselves a giant case of griefing and elitism going on in the PvP aspect of the game
And here i thought PvP in TERA couldnt get more elitist than this.
fod beliving fod, name a more iconic duo
TERA PC - General Discussion#17 ic3dt3a05/21/2019, 03:32 AM
Zoknahal wrote: »
If said info the OP has is true, then we have ourselves a giant case of griefing and elitism going on in the PvP aspect of the game
And here i thought PvP in TERA couldnt get more elitist than this.

its gotta be the player council for sure

TERA PC - General Discussion#18 Luniack05/21/2019, 03:40 AM
Yea, queue an battleground does it's pvp focused content with your own gear, that's says before you queue and everyone thinks you can read right? '~'
well If you complain for being kicked while using gear like this: UBqqq9L.png

you must have to stop smoking drugs lol

even base pvp gear gets kicked because it's paper, everyone gonna one hit you and that is very annoyed for the others.
Shore gives enchant mats for pvp stuff for +6 or above, there no sense an +0 pvp guy tries to do shore if his enchant mats are only obtained doing CS that was equal BG, and LESS SENSE for queing with PVE gear LMAO

Well there no conspiracy, just the obvious, it's like trying to do Bahaar with guardian gear xD

Edited with blur on nick names.
TLDR : use pvp gear, kill any and everyone you can (except luniack, that guy is one of the best healers in tera), contribute to your team and SH is fine for a nightmare-ish amount of farming plates and forevercrying on the +8 fails when you get so close to +9
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
From the tally system they have hanging in this 300 member strong group, I can tell that some points can be as high as 180 points for each week. That means some players have KICKED MORE THAN 180 PEOPLE for this server. This clearly means that undergeared, PvE people aren't the only ones being kicked randomly, but anyone who isn't with most of the people who make up the currently ShoreHold will likely be abused by their system.

You are really, really delusional.

First of all, there are less than 300 PvPers in the entirety of NA TERA.

You said "[...] undergeared, PvE people aren't the only ones being kicked randomly [...]" so you must be referring to Shorehold right? Did you actually ever try to queue it? Because you clearly did not. Aside from the celebration event weeks (this week and 3 weeks ago), Shorehold popped LESS THAN 10 TIMES IN A MONTH. HOW THE !#&% CAN YOU MANAGE TO KICK 180 PLAYERS???? There is something wrong in your head to make this story up.
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
They use third party programs to manipulate the queues and somehow group all the veterans with each other and the result is that they will often face inexperienced individuals to easily dominate the game.

You are extremely uneducated and it shows. The reason why you think that veterans "manipulate" the queues with a "third-party program" is because there is no matchmaking system where they balance the rating to be equal or shuffle the players around at random. It fills up a team and once that team is filled, it starts filling the other team and it fills based on the time you started queuing (if you queue early, you will basically get with people that queued early), same principle as first come first serve. The reason why veterans will be together a lot of the times is because they will generally tend to queue as soon as possible when a game ends, they queue in North Dock for faster loading screen, they leave the match as soon as possible and queue as soon as possible. That's why they get together, not because of a "third-party program" you [filtered] moron.

This will be solved in the future with a patch: https://seraphinush-gaming.tumblr.com/post/183442272448/ktera-patch-20190314

TL;DR: You make sh*t up out of your [filtered] and you talk about things that you have no knowledge on. You just spread misinformation.
ic3dt3a wrote: »
Zoknahal wrote: »
If said info the OP has is true, then we have ourselves a giant case of griefing and elitism going on in the PvP aspect of the game
And here i thought PvP in TERA couldnt get more elitist than this.

its gotta be the player council for sure

The only conspiracy theory that runs deeper than the OP.
"even base pvp gear gets kicked because it's paper, everyone gonna one hit you and that is very annoyed for the others.
Shore gives enchant mats for pvp stuff for +6 or above, there no sense an +0 pvp guy tries to do shore if his enchant mats are only obtained doing CS that was equal BG, and LESS SENSE for queing with PVE gear LMAO"

Well at least this explains it
TERA PC - General Discussion#23 Luniack05/21/2019, 04:35 AM
39HATFDXLY wrote: »
TLDR : use pvp gear, kill any and everyone you can (except luniack, that guy is one of the best healers in tera), contribute to your team and SH is fine for a nightmare-ish amount of farming plates and forevercrying on the +8 fails when you get so close to +9

When the lack of argument makes the person tell lies without any support, how much lack of coherence.
Luniack wrote: »
Yea, queue an battleground does it's pvp focused content with your own gear, that's says before you queue and everyone thinks you can read right? '~'
well If you complain for being kicked while using gear like this: UBqqq9L.png

you must have to stop smoking drugs lol

even base pvp gear gets kicked because it's paper, everyone gonna one hit you and that is very annoyed for the others.
Shore gives enchant mats for pvp stuff for +6 or above, there no sense an +0 pvp guy tries to do shore if his enchant mats are only obtained doing CS that was equal BG, and LESS SENSE for queing with PVE gear LMAO

Well there no conspiracy, just the obvious, it's like trying to do Bahaar with guardian gear xD

Edited with blur on nick names.

No, people in PvP +6 gear are getting kicked too. I am practically tired of start a match 6v7 or 5v7 because people on my team kicking others even with PvP gear +6 and trowing the game since the start and to make it even more agraviating those same people kicking if they are not winning they stop trying and goes afk on base flaming others. That is the issue here.
TERA PC - General Discussion#25 Luniack05/21/2019, 04:57 AM
EJECWCWG55 wrote: »

No, people in PvP +6 gear are getting kicked too. I am practically tired of start a match 6v7 or 5v7 because people on my team kicking others even with PvP gear +6 and trowing the game since the start and to make it even more agraviating those same people kicking if they are not winning they stop trying and goes afk on base flaming others. That is the issue here.

Make a sure you're not being carried for doing nothing or for being bad at pvp also LOL
or if you flames everyone for losing match, they can try to kick you next, that's normal thing even in CS, EVEN IN PVE because, if you dont understand mechanics .. well ... xD
Fun Fact : I wiped 8 times in lilith keep HM today due to the wipe mech

Spoilers : The healer learnt how to do LKHM properly and we had lots of fun
TERA PC - General Discussion#27 Christin05/21/2019, 10:47 AM
It's simple. Since kicking is being exploited, just no longer offer matching and make people form their own teams. That way, the people that don't know what to do won't even bother. And, the elite pvpers can make their own groups without kicking strangers and enemy guild players. If your nasty little clique isn't big enough, too bad. You just won't be able to play SH that day. SH probably won't pop, because most of the elites with their noses in the air can't make that many friends to play with, but that's life. Make players inspect their teammates before the game starts and form parties rather than kick players after the ques have popped.
Erazus wrote: »
What the ... I have been PvPing since forever, I know all the people that are on all the PvP leaderboards, basically anything about Tera PvP because it is so small. I have never heard, ever, of a discord (or third-party like you said) that has 300 PEOPLE PARTICIPATING in it. That is like the entirety of the current playerbase playing PvP times 2!

There is a pvp discord server and no....it's nothing like what this cry baby is claiming. lol They black list people for cheating in battlegrounds with videos and evidence of them doing so this person sounds like a cry baby who was kicked for not having proper gear.
Apparently some of you weren't around for neither the Vanarch system nor the Crusades, where guilds were actively conspiring with each other (and becoming increasingly blatant about it with each season) to exploit the rewards therein.

Want a PvE example? The original iteration of Kyra's Potion Shop, where people would kick others before the last boss fight to increase the chances of getting a rainbow shard (since it only went to one person in the party at the time). Now, whether or not anyone made a competition out of that, I couldn't tell you.

This TOTALLY sounds like something some of the more unscrupulous members of the community would pull.
TERA PC - General Discussion#30 Serenade05/21/2019, 01:41 PM
I can believe it.

  • Back in the days before vote kicking was a thing, we had plenty of party leaders that kicked all party members once a boss was at low health to keep rewards to themselves.
  • Back in the days of vanarchy, guilds would mass vote themselves using alts to keep their vanarch status.
  • During the noctenium wars, people quite literally cheated - feeding themselves kills, sabotaging others, or literally using game exploits - in order to get exarch status and the gold rewards that came with it.
  • In the earlier days of PvP, we had guilds mass kicking people until their friends/guildies joined the match, since public queue was faster than 15v15.
  • Skyring had all sorts of shenanigans, including people using forfeit alts to exploit ranks and kicking anyone below an artificially high rank.
  • I still remember the +12 VM-equivalent requirements on low-level dungeons, or the mass-kicking and restricting of certain classes that were perceived to be lower on the DPS scale (ABHM zerkers only 1 war).
  • Back when Kumas (the 10 normal players vs. 3 kumas thingy) was popular, and when BHS implemented draw-when-enough-people-left, you had kumas that would kick people and force a draw if they were on the cusp of losing. On an unranked "PvP" instance where losing and drawing had no difference, players would kick to force a draw just to deny the other side rewards out of spite.

I'm sure there's half a million things from the older days of TERA that i don't even remember anymore.

I don't see why it's anything of a surprise that people might still be doing it now. Once greed sets in, players are liable to become literal sociopaths.
TERA PC - General Discussion#31 Luniack05/21/2019, 02:46 PM
39HATFDXLY wrote: »
Fun Fact : I wiped 8 times in lilith keep HM today due to the wipe mech

Spoilers : The healer learnt how to do LKHM properly and we had lots of fun

patience is a virtue '~'
TERA PC - General Discussion#32 mosku05/21/2019, 03:21 PM
Serenade wrote: »
I can believe it.

  • Back in the days before vote kicking was a thing, we had plenty of party leaders that kicked all party members once a boss was at low health to keep rewards to themselves.
  • Back in the days of vanarchy, guilds would mass vote themselves using alts to keep their vanarch status.
  • During the noctenium wars, people quite literally cheated - feeding themselves kills, sabotaging others, or literally using game exploits - in order to get exarch status and the gold rewards that came with it.
  • In the earlier days of PvP, we had guilds mass kicking people until their friends/guildies joined the match, since public queue was faster than 15v15.
  • Skyring had all sorts of shenanigans, including people using forfeit alts to exploit ranks and kicking anyone below an artificially high rank.
  • I still remember the +12 VM-equivalent requirements on low-level dungeons, or the mass-kicking and restricting of certain classes that were perceived to be lower on the DPS scale (ABHM zerkers only 1 war).
  • Back when Kumas (the 10 normal players vs. 3 kumas thingy) was popular, and when BHS implemented draw-when-enough-people-left, you had kumas that would kick people and force a draw if they were on the cusp of losing. On an unranked "PvP" instance where losing and drawing had no difference, players would kick to force a draw just to deny the other side rewards out of spite.

I'm sure there's half a million things from the older days of TERA that i don't even remember anymore.

I don't see why it's anything of a surprise that people might still be doing it now. Once greed sets in, players are liable to become literal sociopaths.

I can't, this whole thing is stupidly fabricated. Although, i can only speak from my own experience the same way op does which kinds of negate both points either way. I'm not a raid member you'd want in your team, i'm merely average at most with average gear, you'd be better letting one of your probably better skilled and geared friends yet, i haven't experienced any kick in the bg other than when i initially wasn't properly geared for it.

All of this sounds false and most people that do the bg will probably agree with it being that way. Which is true however, is small groups kicking to get their friends or syncs in but, this is very rare nowadays. In the start of the new patch when SH was released this was indeed common. Today most kicks are due to not meeting gear requirements or just because someone's straight in pve gear. And yes, i completely understand that there's no real requirement for the bg but just because you can do the bg naked it doesn't make it right.

If i had to add something is that kicking can go wrong because!...we don't have a strong population in pvp and kicking can just mean you gotta 5v7 or 6v7. So there is actually a good incentive to not kick, which partially is why sometimes lower than +6 is still accepted.
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
DISCLAIMER: I understand the rules of the forum on using direct names of others. What I show you today is a 1 month investigation I took on a not so private community of most players that regularly make up the numbers in ShoreHold. The group in question is part of a more executive sub community in one of the major PvP discords on the North American server.

As many of you may have been on the forums, and like me, have seen many normal people getting kicked from bgs just because of the elitist system in place that is being being frequently abused going unpunished. Most of us has caught on that if you are not friends with the groups that do SH, you can easily be replaced despite having good gear(the reason you are told if you were kicked) because the people with numbers want their friend to take your spot. Some of us stopped playing and just didn't want to deal with it. Some of us decided that it is what it is and didn't mind being harassed if they can eventually get a few games. Well it is much more than that.

Here is the bold incriminating part of this post. tl;dr The discord in question has a point system rewarding the individuals who have kicked the most at the end of each period as part of establishing a hierarchy within their society. The number of people partaking in this club is STAGGERING.

What does this mean? For starters I infiltrated this group by approaching specific players establishing good relationships with them. The said problem in question isn't unknown, but it still took several weeks until I was given permission to participate. From what I understand, the origin of the numbers who made up this discord was from major guild leaders of the top PvP and CU guilds. From there on, they wanted to make the most out of the rewards when Fraywind Canyon was still in place, reaping the rewards of getting golden and silver talents and then distributing the accumulated wealth among the members and leaders of this group.How this is done is quite on paper. They use third party programs to manipulate the queues and somehow group all the veterans with each other and the result is that they will often face inexperienced individuals to easily dominate the game. As I have seen during my acceptance into the PvP discord, they have a point system rewarding the first person who initiate and get anyone kicked, with the actual completion of this sickening competition itself being whenever someone else from their side takes the now vacant spot.

From the tally system they have hanging in this 300 member strong group, I can tell that some points can be as high as 180 points for each week. That means some players have KICKED MORE THAN 180 PEOPLE for this server. This clearly means that undergeared, PvE people aren't the only ones being kicked randomly, but anyone who isn't with most of the people who make up the currently ShoreHold will likely be abused by their system. The rewards for the top "scores" written by their guidelines receive a higher ranking in the sub server(there are 5 roles in hierarchy), costume skins and mount prices, and finally a very feasible amount of gold, topping 800k this month so far.

Result: I do not think EME would accept such a system in place by specific people in Tera. This is clearly a manipulative, abusive, private 3rd party system in place and they are reaping rewards from your normal player. I would like this post to fully inform my brothers who have complained about this going on multiple times but have been ignored. I have seen many people stating that PvP as soon as the event ends, as kicking is just too big of a problem. I hope you read this and understand what is going on. I want your voice to be heard. I tried to follow guidelines with the forum rules by not listing any guild or specific names, and keeping a lot of it vague.

I have documented many incriminating evidence and sent them to EME through ticket. However I want to also inform us, the players, of what is going on. The sad reality is that everyone want to PvP for fun, but something is not right.

I can confirm this group exists, I was a part of it when I was active.
Erazus wrote: »
What the ... I have been PvPing since forever, I know all the people that are on all the PvP leaderboards, basically anything about Tera PvP because it is so small. I have never heard, ever, of a discord (or third-party like you said) that has 300 PEOPLE PARTICIPATING in it. That is like the entirety of the current playerbase playing PvP times 2!

There was this guild on Tempest Reach that had so many friends on Mount Tyrannas in this another guild and used to talk in Discord about who to kick or not to kick at Fraywind for certain purposes like for example the battleground ranks for the titles and the masks ( they simply thought that some players are not worthy enough based on certain criteria and should not get top 3 so they should be kicked or anything for that purpose ). They also kicked at Sky Ring.

This guild was also active when the new PvP gear came up with this guild simply doing exactly the same thing with some of their members even acquiring full +9PvP gear because they could decide who was going to win or not at Shore Hold ( they went as far to banish certain guilds that were winning at Civil Unrest just to try to conquer those guilds by not letting them to go past +7PVP gear ).

It was a mess but i am glad that it is over since the PvP is no longer anything special in this game and now we simply focus on PvE..
TERA PC - General Discussion#35 Serenade05/22/2019, 01:48 AM
mosku wrote: »
All of this sounds false and most people that do the bg will probably agree with it being that way.
If you don't believe the stuff I said actually happened in the past, feel free to ask the other veterans posting in this thread. Heck, if the old forum archives are still up, I could point you to multiple threads complaining about each and every single bulletin I listed.

I can't verify if the OP's claims are true or not, but it doesn't even scratch the tip of the "horrible stuff that players have done on TERA" list, and so is not nearly as unbelievable as you might think.
TERA PC - General Discussion#36 mosku05/22/2019, 01:57 AM
Serenade wrote: »
mosku wrote: »
All of this sounds false and most people that do the bg will probably agree with it being that way.
If you don't believe the stuff I said actually happened in the past, feel free to ask the other veterans posting in this thread. Heck, if the old forum archives are still up, I could point you to multiple threads complaining about each and every single bulletin I listed.

I can't verify if the OP's claims are true or not, but it doesn't even scratch the tip of the "horrible stuff that players have done on TERA" list, and so is not nearly as unbelievable as you might think.

I'm talking about the present as this post claims, there's no active kicking going for unfair reasons for the most part.
mosku wrote: »
I'm talking about the present as this post claims, there's no active kicking going for unfair reasons for the most part.

Even if you set aside the situation alleged in this thread, the larger issues are: 1) defining what would constitute "kicking for unfair reasons", and 2) understanding if there would actually be appropriate punishment for any "unfair" kicks.

When the developers creating the kick system, they were probably thinking of the more obvious cases: people who are AFK, people who are being too overly toxic, people who are overtly undermining the team, etc.

But there's another way to use the kick system: to strategically kick people who reduce your team's chances of winning. In here we have a whole wide range of rationales, ranging from "people who aren't even in PvP gear at all" to "people whose gear isn't up to the right level" (what's the right level?) to "people who've built a bad reputation in the community and are on a community-maintained blacklist" (are the criteria fair?) and potentially even further (as the OP is claiming). Basically, all this is using the kick system as a form of "team selection," which wasn't the original intention of building the kick system in the first place. The intention of the matching system vs. the premade party system is that the first is random and the second is controlled, but now people have found ways to control the former as well (due to poor implementation).

So anyway, all this to say... let's assume for the sake of the argument that what the OP is alleging is actually happening (I don't know if it is or not). If it were happening, would everyone agree that that's an example of "unfair kicking"? What makes it unfair, exactly? What should the punishment be to stop people from doing these kinds of unfair kicks? How do you enforce that, when a kick happens, it happens for a "fair" reason? (And, as I was alluding to above, what are the "fair" reasons for a kick? Would everyone agree to those reasons?)

Someone could probably actually argue that there doesn't need to be "fair" reasons for kicking at all -- that if someone proposes a kick and it's accepted, that's all the criteria there needs to be. I would argue that if the situations like the OP is claiming become rampant, it would continue to hollow out the pool of PvP players and make it harder to form matches and actually enjoy PvP content... but who is to force people to think of the long-term consequences of their actions?

Anyway, that is all a bit academic. The other angle, that is unfortunately also probably academic, would be to ask what changes BHS should make to fix this whole thing so these sort of kicks wouldn't be necessary (things like requiring minimum gear type/minimum gear level, forcing use of PvP crystals (or eliminating crystals in PvP entirely), etc.). If you could somehow make it so that people wouldn't feel the need to kick for "team selection" reasons, then maybe it would be used more for the "blatant abuse" sorts of cases it was originally designed for and more people would agree that other uses are "unfair."

In any case, whether the OP's allegation is true or not, the whole thing is a mess that needs a serious look by the developers. Whether they'll give it the look it deserves...
TERA PC - General Discussion#38 Zoknahal05/22/2019, 05:00 AM
I can vouch for @Serenade I been here since the Closed Beta, and i have seen all of the things that happened since vanarchy, specially the alliance times and the Kumas force draw.

I can tell you that alliance in TR was really messed up, having a single person and his/her underlings monopolizing all 3 alliances and deciding who was gonna rank, and everyone who got in their way, was to be eliminated, or even bribed. People who ranked up the legit way, was hunted down to avoid them from ranking so that one of his/her underlings could get the rank and the mask.

Another thing i was victim of, was the abuse of the kick system during dungeons. When wonderholme was a thing and they first introduced the Nightforge gear, a certain guild in TR we all know that was the source of many dramas, including the start of win trading in Skyring, invited me to a "friendly run" in wonderholme, supposed to be ffa, and they needed a tank.

I made sure to ask if the loot was FFA, and they did told me it was. How would i had know, that once we were at last boss, right before it died, i got kicked, just so that someone else could have the loot.

As things stand now, i believe we should worry more about the moral and ethics of the people running the PvP scheme of the game, rather than the kick system.
mosku wrote: »
I'm talking about the present as this post claims, there's no active kicking going for unfair reasons for the most part.

Ohh believe me, as i said before, me and my guildmates, there are times when we do CS, and people just start random vote kicks against us. I dont know if its because of our guild, or because our ranks, nor i care, the point is, people do kick without valid reasons.

Heck, i was accused one day of team jumping. Sucks to not be able to control which team i get into when doing CS
TERA PC - General Discussion#39 kubitoid05/22/2019, 02:54 PM
its quite amazing that such things happen in f2p mmo where virtual riches of ppl doing these mentioned things dont even belong to them :lol: :lol:
TERA PC - General Discussion#40 voidy05/22/2019, 03:32 PM
Came in here hoping for screenshots of the discord, left disappointed. It wouldn't even be hard to provide proof while staying anonymous.
I mean, while we're at it, I'm part of a discord that worships KTC and sees her return to the forums as Christ's second coming. I can't provide screenshots though, so you'll just have to take my word for it.
HUGE UPDATE: As of today I have been found out and banned from that server. I also have been DDOS'd for a while as apparently one of the members has my IP, so I am currently typing in a coffee shop.

A few respondent posters has been noted. @ChiefBananaHead for example is a known mascot and poster for the server and did not dispute anything, but rather only tried to make it a meme.

You guys deserve to know that before I was gone, a few leaders came out and said they were doubling down on the actions and nothing will happen. A direct quote is - from ADMIN LEADER "Debating if we should get together to actually hard lock all randoms out of shore so they see what it would really look like."

To respond to @counterpoint here is what I've seen their excuses have been regarding why it is happening and what to fix. From what I saw, a big sarcastic statement they repeated is that they removed premade 15 v 15 Fraywind, Corsair, and none for Shore Hold.

Also thankfully BHS is implementing a ranked queue change and listening to us, so I believe them grouping to bully is going to be impossible if they don't have numbers. If a fix is happening then we can celebrate of the fix and their end of tyrant.

As long as the proxy does not surpass the fix then we win.

Sorry for my side. I somehow do not know but my account has all character deleted and no more 65 left. This is my fault. I use proxy for high ping and now because I [filtered] wrong people I suffer consquence. But I believe post has helped us bring the change and make it better for everyone. Please do more PvP from now on my brothers because situation is changed. I am glad I have different email password and they did not log on here forum and change or delete things. Or make me say something else.

Thank you EME for the new change and fix it help all who want to play.
I think you probably went a bit too far weaving the tale with this one, even if the original one was already a stretch. Being DDoSed if true might hurt your ping, but it's unlikely to completely take you down or prevent you from posting on the forum. Plus, even if there were some way to delete characters via a proxy module, they'd still be subject to the 24-hour cooldown and could be undeleted from support. This is a bit like "the mob tried to take me out" and is probably just a bit too extreme drama given the current size/state of the PvP community. I did appreciate that it weaves enough bits of truth and past rumour into it that it's close to believable, though.

That said, if they do actually make queueing improvements (assuming that part is true), that could still be a good thing. Whether the specifics are true or not, the developer should still make improvements to reduce people's need to kick people in PvP, as that'd be better for all.
@ everyone here, come que shorehold (with or without pvp gear) pls, SH dead atm

I have full +9 on my character and I wont kick anyone, I just want it to pop lol
@voidy

I will take your bait because you are trolling in a serious discussion when you dont even play this game.

https://imgur.com/KoN4ELS.png

You know pretty well that showing evidence will get banned the person who post it but no worries everyone knows that you are here only disrupting the threads from these forums.

The worst thing on this matter os that player council members are on that discord and are turning a blind eye on this matter or even worse some of them take active part on this griefing against tera comunity.
meh, to be honest not really that caring about Manifest, Ero, Yakuza, Definitive, Pig or any of the other pvp guilds that show up in Shorehold, i'd be happy if it was actually active at this hour lol

Besides, there are alot of skilled players in Shorehold, but if you keep playing there's no reason that you can't beat them. Just use the anger towards them and kick their butts in Shorehold. They lose, you got your revenge, and shorehold is alive...everyone is happy (:

But if im 100% honest @ the player council issue, I don't think there are any "player councils" or if there are some, they really don't hold as much sway as you think they may. I think it's more like, 1 person initiates a kick -> everyone accepts without inspecting for the most part lol
voidy wrote: »
Came in here hoping for screenshots of the discord, left disappointed. It wouldn't even be hard to provide proof while staying anonymous.
I mean, while we're at it, I'm part of a discord that worships KTC and sees her return to the forums as Christ's second coming. I can't provide screenshots though, so you'll just have to take my word for it.

spacecats > kitteacup. If KTC is the second coming of christ, spacecats coming back to tera is like the rise of god himself gracing us with his glorious image
@counterpoint is that so

i can not log in during that day at all tried so many times but after going somewhere else i can. No matter though because all my character acc info has been erased so I think i take a break anyways.

I think it is time to take my leave here and hand any policing in the future for other people. @The3rdPartyHunter that is exactly why I did not post here. did not want this to be deleted at all.

For others here is the link https://discord.gg/8vrBfqb

Like everyone else even people in that server I want PvP to suceed and have fun.. Maybe in alternative day one day it will all be fixed and people enjoy it now.

For those who are doing these tasks and monitoring them. One hard advice: Do not leave your proxy around or update because it might one day mess everything up you never know.

@39HATFDXLY My friend I will be happy too if SH happen every moment. I hope everyone move on and word together and do not go back to their malicious ways.

Thank you all for following and reading
TERA PC - General Discussion#48 ic3dt3a05/22/2019, 07:09 PM
You need your meds.
This has played itself out I think. Locking this for now
I just want to add a comment to this thread since people may notice and wonder what happened.

Using duplicate forum accounts is against the Forum Rules. Even if you have multiple EME accounts, you may only use one of them to post on the forums. If your primary account is banned for whatever reason, you may not start posting on the forum using a different account. Trying to evade forum bans can result in action being taken against your overall EME account, including but not limited to account bans and account termination (as noted in the Terms of Service).

I will also note, since some may wonder given the threads' contents, that this use of duplicate accounts was not limited to this thread (so it's not like they created the account just to post an anonymous exposé or something). Even if that were your intention... this forum isn't the right place for it.

Last but not least, I will make this comment: some of the material in this thread is not true, but the underlying issues do exist to some degree. If someone would like to have a further conversation about this issue without the theatrics/drama, you could create a thread to discuss it, but please keep it civil.
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