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TERA PC - General Discussion: Rollback DIscussion
I'd like a rollback, please. I think it'd be wise. (Hope this isn't a dupe thread by the time I post it)
As a returning player i am hugely disappointed in this patch. A rollback is mandatory. TBH i am so disappointed i have uninstalled and removed myself from tera server discords and class discords. It's even worse for new players. SO BAD!! Fix it EME
Meningitis wrote: »
I'd like a rollback, please. I think it'd be wise. (Hope this isn't a dupe thread by the time I post it)

And regardless of if we get one or not I have this question for En Masse: for the sake of transparency, can you tell us how you came to the conclusion that this was the best course of action for reset scrolls? Or did you just blindly follow what the devs told you to do? Did bhs give you any reasoning? What do you think of the long term consequences of this decision?

EME does what BHS tells em to do. There is little we can do about it. If BHS (Krafton) tells em to leave the prices alone, then EME will comply.
reminder that BHS wanted the 2% broker listing fee to "combat inflation". (This is an exact quote btw).
Lol, this is just hilarious.
Not rolling back after ppl getting dozens of millions out of a exploit(or whatever you want to called it) would be the most stupidly [filtered] thing eme could do. Only an astronomically stupid company would let a mistake like this destroying the economy.
So I guess they won't reroll at all.
Zoknahal wrote: »
EME does what BHS tells em to do. There is little we can do about it. If BHS (Krafton) tells em to leave the prices alone, then EME will comply.
I'm very aware of this. The least they can do is tell BHS to give them their reasoning to help quell the panic. Though I'm sure it wouldn't do much, but it'd be something.
In order that I can keep feedback threads like this open and relay as much player opinion as possible, please don't make flamebait comments. Please stay on-topic and provide objective arguments to support your case.

As was alluded to above, decisions like this follow a chain of command, so those seeing these arguments need to be able to elevate these arguments to the "higher ups." If the thread is full of bile and insults, they won't pass it along. Everyone's cooperation is really appreciated on this important topic.
At this point I'm starting to question the legitimacy of EME's argument that "BHS made us do it, it's not our fault", because it's sounding a lot more like they're just trying to hide behind a parent company halfway around the world that also has the language barrier as an excuse knowing that the NA community can't really challenge them. The complete and utter inability to take any blame at all for anything that has happened recently and instead just resorting to pointing fingers and shrugging shoulders is disgusting regardless of who's at fault.
In order that I can keep feedback threads like this open and relay as much player opinion as possible, please don't make flamebait comments. Please stay on-topic and provide objective arguments to support your case.

As was alluded to above, decisions like this follow a chain of command, so those seeing these arguments need to be able to elevate these arguments to the "higher ups." If the thread is full of bile and insults, they won't pass it along. Everyone's cooperation is really appreciated on this important topic.
This also needs to be treated with urgency. Waiting for a few days will be too late to roll back I'd imagine. Can you think of any way we might get this process going faster? Eme seems to have gone home for the night when their community is entering cardiac arrest.
kamizuma wrote: »
reminder that BHS wanted the 2% broker listing fee to "combat inflation". (This is an exact quote btw).

You combat inflation by giving one years supply of free gold. GENIUS.
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> In order that I can keep feedback threads like this open and relay as much player opinion as possible, please don't make flamebait comments. Please stay on-topic and provide objective arguments to support your case.
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> As was alluded to above, decisions like this follow a chain of command, so those seeing these arguments need to be able to elevate these arguments to the "higher ups." If the thread is full of bile and insults, they won't pass it along. Everyone's cooperation is really appreciated on this important topic.
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> This also needs to be treated with urgency. Waiting for a few days will be too late to roll back I'd imagine. Can you think of any way we might get this process going faster? Eme seems to have gone home for the night when their community is entering cardiac arrest.

The only way I can imagine is shutting down the svs
At this point I'm starting to question the legitimacy of EME's argument that "BHS made us do it, it's not our fault", because it's sounding a lot more like they're just trying to hide behind a parent company halfway around the world that also has the language barrier as an excuse knowing that the NA community can't really challenge them. The complete and utter inability to take any blame at all for anything that has happened recently and instead just resorting to pointing fingers and shrugging shoulders is disgusting regardless of who's at fault.

I don't think anyone, including them, has made this statement to imply they aren't ultimately responsible for the game they publish. But it is legitimately their policy to defer to BHS on matters involving economic and progression balance; they view that their job as a publisher, whenever BHS screws up, is to send them clear feedback so BHS can take corrective action. In the end, BHS making these decisions doesn't stop either EME or us as players from living with the consequences. But understanding how decisions are made at least explains the process we have to follow to be heard (which supports why people need to try to make feedback as clear and convincing as possible so that it can be passed along). Whether BHS will act, who knows.
Perhaps stop making abusing and/or exploiting something rewarding?
A rollback should be imperative.

Otherwise place the SES back in the shop and let everyone have "fun".
TERA PC - General Discussion#14 Zoknahal04/10/2019, 04:00 AM
Meningitis wrote: »
Zoknahal wrote: »
EME does what BHS tells em to do. There is little we can do about it. If BHS (Krafton) tells em to leave the prices alone, then EME will comply.
I'm very aware of this. The least they can do is tell BHS to give them their reasoning to help quell the panic. Though I'm sure it wouldn't do much, but it'd be something.

A rollback is very hard to perform right now.
Im well aware that there is an apparent bug with the dismantling of semi scrolls. I believe that part as much should be rolled back, and there would be a good reason for it.

But a rollback at this point to me, looks like a double edge sword.

On one edge, you have the people who missed big time on the reset scrolls gold price sale. As always, everyone who misses out, comes out to complain, and demands changes to be made, in this case, a rollback.

On the other edge, you have the people who didnt missed out, the ppl who made big money out of the reset scrolls, and bought a lot of stuff on the broker, stuff they wanted, like costumes, and already soulbinded them to their main characters or whatever.

What do you tell those people, if the server gets rolled back and they lose all the things they already bought? Do you just tell em "serve you right for not letting me have a slice of the cake" ??

You cannot just do a rollback without negative consequences.
The economy will stabilize, right now everything is inflated, but it will stabilize, but if you ask me, i believe everyone who is complaining about the gold inflation, are the ones who missed on the reset scroll thing, even tho it was a thing that was being discussed since months ago.

Rollback isnt something so easy as to press the big red button. Thread carefully with this, because just as many players are pissed right now, with a rollback, you will [filtered] off the other half of the players, so you wouldn't be making anyone happy.
TERA PC - General Discussion#15 Elinu104/10/2019, 04:02 AM
Well I'm over being pissed off at EME right now. Now I am feeling more like sad that a company would do this to its customers. I'm never ever buying emp off them again. Maybe if enough players stopped buying emp they might wake up.
Zoknahal wrote: »
Meningitis wrote: »
Zoknahal wrote: »
EME does what BHS tells em to do. There is little we can do about it. If BHS (Krafton) tells em to leave the prices alone, then EME will comply.
I'm very aware of this. The least they can do is tell BHS to give them their reasoning to help quell the panic. Though I'm sure it wouldn't do much, but it'd be something.

A rollback is very hard to perform right now.
Im well aware that there is an apparent bug with the dismantling of semi scrolls. I believe that part as much should be rolled back, and there would be a good reason for it.

But a rollback at this point to me, looks like a double edge sword.

On one edge, you have the people who missed big time on the reset scrolls gold price sale. As always, everyone who misses out, comes out to complain, and demands changes to be made, in this case, a rollback.

On the other edge, you have the people who didnt missed out, the ppl who made big money out of the reset scrolls, and bought a lot of stuff on the broker, stuff they wanted, like costumes, and already soulbinded them to their main characters or whatever.

What do you tell those people, if the server gets rolled back and they lose all the things they already bought? Do you just tell em "serve you right for not letting me have a slice of the cake" ??

You cannot just do a rollback without negative consequences.
The economy will stabilize, right now everything is inflated, but it will stabilize, but if you ask me, i believe everyone who is complaining about the gold inflation, are the ones who missed on the reset scroll thing, even tho it was a thing that was being discussed since months ago.

Rollback isnt something so easy as to press the big red button. Thread carefully with this, because just as many players are pissed right now, with a rollback, you will [filtered] off the other half of the players, so you wouldn't be making anyone happy.

This isn't about the reset scrolls, unless the prices were changed later.
This is about the SES issue.
Zoknahal wrote: »
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I also agree with pretty much everything you've said here. It's a difficult process and the decision can't be made lightly. But Eme will have to decide swiftly regardless due to the nature of a live service.

I think the main argument is that most players shouldn't have gotten that big of a slice of cake to begin with. I was one of those people who got an absolutely gobsmacking sack of gold and got costumes from broker during the initial buy-panic, but I still think they should seriously consider a roll back.
TERA PC - General Discussion#18 Zoknahal04/10/2019, 04:05 AM
Zoknahal wrote: »
Meningitis wrote: »
Zoknahal wrote: »
EME does what BHS tells em to do. There is little we can do about it. If BHS (Krafton) tells em to leave the prices alone, then EME will comply.
I'm very aware of this. The least they can do is tell BHS to give them their reasoning to help quell the panic. Though I'm sure it wouldn't do much, but it'd be something.

A rollback is very hard to perform right now.
Im well aware that there is an apparent bug with the dismantling of semi scrolls. I believe that part as much should be rolled back, and there would be a good reason for it.

But a rollback at this point to me, looks like a double edge sword.

On one edge, you have the people who missed big time on the reset scrolls gold price sale. As always, everyone who misses out, comes out to complain, and demands changes to be made, in this case, a rollback.

On the other edge, you have the people who didnt missed out, the ppl who made big money out of the reset scrolls, and bought a lot of stuff on the broker, stuff they wanted, like costumes, and already soulbinded them to their main characters or whatever.

What do you tell those people, if the server gets rolled back and they lose all the things they already bought? Do you just tell em "serve you right for not letting me have a slice of the cake" ??

You cannot just do a rollback without negative consequences.
The economy will stabilize, right now everything is inflated, but it will stabilize, but if you ask me, i believe everyone who is complaining about the gold inflation, are the ones who missed on the reset scroll thing, even tho it was a thing that was being discussed since months ago.

Rollback isnt something so easy as to press the big red button. Thread carefully with this, because just as many players are pissed right now, with a rollback, you will [filtered] off the other half of the players, so you wouldn't be making anyone happy.

This isn't about the reset scrolls, unless the prices were changed later.
This is about the SES issue.

To which i said already im well aware of it, and should be fixed. But i keep hearing a lot of people simply complaining about the reset scrolls being part of the economy disaster, mainly those who missed out on the selling of said scrolls.

But the SES issue should be addressed, i do not disagree with anyone on that, but i still hold my ground, that a rollback should be threaded carefully.
This isn't about the reset scrolls, unless the prices were changed later.
This is about the SES issue.
This is about both. A lot of people are really concerned with how this gold gap will affect new players in progression. Especially in the talyph department, because even if inflation/broker prices lower due to goldsink into talyph, there's no way for new players to make up that huge gap.
Zoknahal wrote: »
On the other edge, you have the people who didnt missed out, the ppl who made big money out of the reset scrolls, and bought a lot of stuff on the broker, stuff they wanted, like costumes, and already soulbinded them to their main characters or whatever.

What do you tell those people, if the server gets rolled back and they lose all the things they already bought? Do you just tell em "serve you right for not letting me have a slice of the cake" ??

You cannot just do a rollback without negative consequences.

Well, in fairness, if you did a rollback all the items they bought would be back in the state they were before, and they would have a chance to earn/buy them on a more equal playing field like everyone else. Yeah it'd suck to win the lottery and then wake up again like Groundhog Day, but it doesn't mean the disproportionate winnings were fair to start with.

I think this is a bit more nuanced than "the people who missed out are mad at the people who won big." It's a lot more about fairness and longevity. Consider the impact over-generous events back in the day had on the in-game economy, and now multiple that by tens/hundreds. The amount of time it will take for the impact to be felt to the game is huge, and the people who will suffer most are new players.

It's not really possible to just rollback the semi-exploit on its own either, so it's all or nothing. It's however not easy to cleanup the semi-exploit mess in isolation due to the ripple effects on the economy.

Obviously I do agree that it's a serious issue that needs serious consideration, and not something you do lightly/flippantly. People will be mad in either case. But in the end, I personally would tend to favor fairness and balance:

1) Elite Consumable Boxes should be locked into the state they were when purchased/earned, and their contents should not change retroactively.
2) Scroll sale prices should be balanced to re-consider the total quantity in the economy taking into consideration Elite Consumable Box supplies
3) Obviously, the semi exploit should never have happened.

In my view this would be the more fair and equitable approach.
TERA PC - General Discussion#21 Zoknahal04/10/2019, 04:11 AM
Meningitis wrote: »
This isn't about the reset scrolls, unless the prices were changed later.
This is about the SES issue.
This is about both. A lot of people are really concerned with how this gold gap will affect new players in progression. Especially in the talyph department, because even if inflation/broker prices lower due to goldsink into talyph, there's no way for new players to make up that huge gap.

TBH??? say that the gold talent price stays like that:

With such an inflated price, new players could just sell their spare gold talents, and make a decent amount of gold, more than enough to carry them through the gearing. The smart player will see this as an opportunity, and will take it.

I understand the problems, but thinking from the point of view of a new player, this would be what i would do, just sell my spare materials, for a good chunk of gold, and keep farming without having to every worry about the gold price for enchanting.
At the end of the day, EME is part of the KRAFTON family anyway, so all it really means is that they follow a chain of command. EME's job right now is to collect clear and actionable player feedback and relay it to BHS ASAP.

So long as they make the effort to inform the community of progress and apologise for the massive amount of chaos this has caused, rather than a shrug of the shoulders and making their first response to the outrage "it's not our fault". Surely the angry masses would rather hear some kind of apology for the mess and comforting indication of complaints being acknowledged and passed on BEFORE the knee-[filtered] "we didn't do it".
Zoknahal wrote: »
TBH??? say that the gold talent price stays like that:

With such an inflated price, new players could just sell their spare gold talents, and make a decent amount of gold, more than enough to carry them through the gearing. The smart player will see this as an opportunity, and will take it.

I understand the problems, but thinking from the point of view of a new player, this would be what i would do, just sell my spare materials, for a good chunk of gold, and keep farming without having to every worry about the gold price for enchanting.
Again, I'm inclined to agree with you here. New players could make a regular living if prices stay inflated.
The real problem will present itself if material prices do drop back down to normal, at least in my opinion. That's why I'm in favor of a roll back myself. Because I do think that the talyph sink will combat the inflation as more people reach for 70, since it's like 4mil per character.
But if gold inflation stays the same, people will start complaining about vg gold rewards again. This cycle never seems to end. I won't pretend that I know the best solution or all of the angles to this delicate issue.
At the end of the day, EME is part of the KRAFTON family anyway, so all it really means is that they follow a chain of command. EME's job right now is to collect clear and actionable player feedback and relay it to BHS ASAP.

So long as they make the effort to inform the community of progress and apologise for the massive amount of chaos this has caused, rather than a shrug of the shoulders and making their first response to the outrage "it's not our fault". Surely the angry masses would rather hear some kind of apology for the mess and comforting indication of complaints being acknowledged and passed on BEFORE the knee-[filtered] "we didn't do it".

In fairness, that was in direct response to a question of whether BHS had set/reviewed the price on Discord. It was not a general/official response to the situation on behalf of all EME. I do think they should have a general response, particularly once they decide what to do with the current situation.
TERA PC - General Discussion#25 Sametbh04/10/2019, 04:26 AM
I saw this posted somewhere. tyeme.png

ThisIsFine.jpg

Definitely need that rollback. Can't adequately reverse the effect of this. There's indirect effects and a lot of trades involved.
I disagree. A rollback is pretty feasible.
As for saying some people are salty because they missed out, not true... I made 8 millions myself from the scrolls I had, and I already have 30 million in my bank.

Not only the economy is [filtered] up.
You literally shat on every persons face that bought EMP, in what right does someone just earns 10-20 million for doing literally nothing ?

Gold is much worse than duping items. Duping items that has no value in itself bearing no effect on the economy as a whole.
> @Sametbh said:
> I saw this posted somewhere.
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> Definitely need that rollback. Can't adequately reverse the effect of this. There's indirect effects and a lot of trades involved.



This is a substantial exploit.
TERA PC - General Discussion#28 kamizuma04/10/2019, 04:33 AM
I disagree. A rollback is pretty feasible.
As for saying some people are salty because they missed out, not true... I made 8 millions myself from the scrolls I had, and I already have 30 million in my bank.

Not only the economy is [filtered] up.
You literally shat on every persons face that bought EMP. In what right does someone just earns 10-20 million for doing literally nothing ?

Gold is much worse than duping items. Duping items that has no value in itself bearing no effect on the economy as a whole.

The other thing is who even needs to sell emp for gold now LOL

Hard to keep a free to play game alive when people don't have the need to buy :(
Meningitis wrote: »
I do tend to think the SES incident is more important though. People have said they can fix it without having a roll back. Dunno how true that is.
It can be done without a roll back BUT it still takes man hours to manually go through the data. That is how Trion Worlds (a now dead publisher that didn't rank very well with me) handled some similar issues like this (not all since there were known land hack and dupe issues in ArcheAge they didn't deal with very well) in several of the games they published. They often times chose not to perform a rollback because of the issues with lost progression for players completely out of the loop (including new players who happened to be playing when the shenanigans were happening).

Instead, they had their personnel manually go through data (it helped that they had two data people employed at the time who could pull that information into reports that their assembled teams could go through). EME could do something similar (since they have a fairly short/specific time frame of data they would need to go through). I realize they are personnel strapped BUT something important like this, they should do what is right.
Hi, my name is Betina. I am 22 years old and thanks to eme and 1200 scrolls I have 35m of gold

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Tera Bug at your service.

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when TERA na became venezuela's, only eme could do it. this is so hillarious bigsmile.jpg xD
TE5AGN6R97 wrote: »
when TERA na became venezuela's, only eme could do it. this is so hillarious bigsmile.jpg xD

Outstanding comment.
Sort of accurate as well.
Regarding the rollback, seems it will take a day or more for a decision to be made.
Combining that with the atrocious lack of contact with the community, players will continue leveling.
Later, assuming we do have a rollback, players lose all their leveling progress.
EME will be surprised players are displeased either way?
Oh my, I wonder why.
TERA PC - General Discussion#34 Chlorox04/10/2019, 07:52 AM
Literally rollback this [filtered], fix tria area, how is a new player suposse to buy a diamond an 40k since the old ones buy the entire trader broker and inflated everything to the sky? getting 200 gold in ravenous george till the end of times?
Can you stop crying? Do you want me to tell you when the patch is released? so they can open their elite boxes.

They knew that it was going to be month April they announced 2 months before the date did not know the day but if the month.

It is assumed that these guilds are always someone informed of everything.
let your voice pass you will tell me I do not have guild is new'pues investigated had from patches ktera and tera eu.

Excuse me, do not be weepers
also those who accumulated gold simply do not go farm anymore. easy and simple only we have to do dungeons and upload the set that comes to us in win .. or do nothing.

but if I am against those who took advantage golden talens the exploit as punishment suspend account 7 days and remove all the talens.


what eme and everyone should worry about is if there are people doing dungeons the instance is dead.
leave the party wait like an idiot between someone or your guild someone wants to go.


also ask yourself, do you get everything from the beginning I can get trade broker before you remove everything?

you do not know the date or time
later you will complain because they did not announce time and date
Well, now delay pacht to april 18 dont sounds stupidi now rite ?
Well, now delay pacht to april 18 dont sounds stupidi now rite ?

I'm positive we'd have all the same issues.
Can you stop crying? Do you want me to tell you when the patch is released? so they can open their elite boxes.

They knew that it was going to be month April they announced 2 months before the date did not know the day but if the month.

It is assumed that these guilds are always someone informed of everything.
let your voice pass you will tell me I do not have guild is new'pues investigated had from patches ktera and tera eu.

If you believe you're the only one who made gold out of it, think again. Literally every person with elite that occasionally crafts opens his elite gift boxes (that's the only reason I open mine). One year elite means over 12 million worth of gold in scrolls as handouts. It doesn't mean you're rich if every other person get that handout.

Then don't weep about the jacked up prices you're going to see in the broker. I'll be listing everything I have x5-x10 its prior price. There's no way I'll sell you while the gold I had been depreciated.
In order that I can keep feedback threads like this open and relay as much player opinion as possible, please don't make flamebait comments. Please stay on-topic and provide objective arguments to support your case.

As was alluded to above, decisions like this follow a chain of command, so those seeing these arguments need to be able to elevate these arguments to the "higher ups." If the thread is full of bile and insults, they won't pass it along. Everyone's cooperation is really appreciated on this important topic.

Well here is my argument to why this needs to be reverted back.
Im a returning player, i've played this game 4-5 years ago i dont remmember when we bought the gear for like 20-30-40k gold. Back when buying elite off the broker was 7k gold , i remmember buying it every single month, back when BAMS dropped gold so you could actually farm gold to support the elite status every month and get higher gear.
And now few weeks ago i hear there is gonna be big patch for tera increasing max lvl cap and i get excited quickly installing it again and finding out that the economy is a lot different than before ( no more +12-+15 weapons ) , one [filtered] piece of gear costing over 1milion gold and i get surprise.
Then i think to myself eh alright ill farm it with elite status. I go to broker i check it and its over 30k gold when i only had 27k gold left in inventory because few years back that was ALOT of gold.
And now when this [filtered] patch finally is here i check the forums and what do i see? Screenshots of people selling scrolls and getting back 10+ million gold?!!?
Some other dismantling the semi scrolls to get infinite stacks of emblems and therefore endless supply of talents when i can get like 100 per day from dungeons ?
Is this a joke? How do you need constructive arguments? Dont you people see this is A BIT wrong ?
Tell me, how am i gonna farm up to get SC gear now ? when the talents are already 30g+ each when the darics are already x2 of their price ?
How ???
The reset scroll selling, not nearly as much of an issue and should not warrant a rollback.

However,

The SES exploit should be addressed and is a serious issue. When you see in global people bragging about making 60-95 million gold or open the trade broker and see stacks of 10,000 gold and silver talents, that is a severe exploit and EME should take action because THEY screwed up.
TERA PC - General Discussion#41 DXM04/10/2019, 11:37 AM
I didn't exploit anything and don't want a rollback.
The reset scroll selling, not nearly as much of an issue and should not warrant a rollback.

It IS an issue and I can't believe people keep saying it isn't, are people just pretending to be stupid?

Ktera and EU tera don't hand out reset scrolls with elite, they're only obtainable through the vg shop and maybe some events, hence the price was the way it was. Now, you'd think, with how OBSESSED eme staff and bhs were with keeping NA tera as close to ktera as possible in terms of grind, economy, prices etc. they'd adjust the reset scroll prices accordingly. All their events since mongos have given jack [filtered], we had counterpoint parroting 24/7 that eme don't want to introduce massive amounts of gold anymore, that they don't want events to be rewarding because it sets an unfair advantage yada yada, and then THIS happens. EME was too incompetent as per usual to alert bhs of this discrepancy between the two regions or I don't know what, but they messed up. Introducing such massive amounts of gold only to a small community of older elite players after a year of not giving anything to anyone will once again mess progression up big time.

Not to mention there was a thread made by the players of course, which I assume eme didn't even take a peek into because of what happened, which spoke of this very exact thing that happened. A rollback is necessary but now it feels like it's too late, 12 hours after the maint and all.

Oh and one last thing that kami already mentioned earlier but BHS introduced tax for brokering for elites TO COMBAT INFLATION. There is no way this was intended, or that this isn't an issue. It's a big, big issue and it's turning eme into a joke once again. I'm also puzzled that the player council and the mods didn't get the response from eme as they have indeed alerted them beforehand, nor has eme given a proper response in that thread earlier to prepare people for this massive shitstorm but oh well, seems everyone here has a [filtered] for 0 communication. Embarrassing.
The economy is absolutely destroyed at this point. Nearly everything now costs over 1 million gold on the broker. Elite is 1.5 million gold, if you were to do content the game has, which gives about 300 gold per dungeon it would take you nearly 200 days to make enough gold to get 30 days of elite. Sold all my scrolls and got 250k which I can't do anything with due to the inflated prices on the broker.
CornishRex wrote: »
The reset scroll selling, not nearly as much of an issue and should not warrant a rollback.

It IS an issue and I can't believe people keep saying it isn't, are people just pretending to be stupid?

Ktera and EU tera don't hand out reset scrolls with elite, they're only obtainable through the vg shop and maybe some events, hence the price was the way it was. Now, you'd think, with how OBSESSED eme staff and bhs were with keeping NA tera as close to ktera as possible in terms of grind, economy, prices etc. they'd adjust the reset scroll prices accordingly. All their events since mongos have given jack [filtered], we had counterpoint parroting 24/7 that eme don't want to introduce massive amounts of gold anymore, that they don't want events to be rewarding because it sets an unfair advantage yada yada, and then THIS happens. EME was too incompetent as per usual to alert bhs of this discrepancy between the two regions or I don't know what, but they messed up. Introducing such massive amounts of gold only to a small community of older elite players after a year of not giving anything to anyone will once again mess progression up big time.

Not to mention there was a thread made by the players of course, which I assume eme didn't even take a peek into because of what happened, which spoke of this very exact thing that happened. A rollback is necessary but now it feels like it's too late, 12 hours after the maint and all.

Oh and one last thing that kami already mentioned earlier but BHS introduced tax for brokering for elites TO COMBAT INFLATION. There is no way this was intended, or that this isn't an issue. It's a big, big issue and it's turning eme into a joke once again. I'm also puzzled that the player council and the mods didn't get the response from eme as they have indeed alerted them beforehand, nor has eme given a proper response in that thread earlier to prepare people for this massive shitstorm but oh well, seems everyone here has a [filtered] for 0 communication. Embarrassing.

EME did a response. Blamed it on bluehole and said that its already adjuested for our economy. unknown.png

Because you are to blame for leaving the game in safe abandonment you were not guild that informs you

also the people who accumulate the scrolls are the people in the day that passes to the game and dedicates hours

Since I announced Ktera 5 months ago.
Because you are to blame for leaving the game in safe abandonment you were not guild that informs you

also the people who accumulate the scrolls are the people in the day that passes to the game and dedicates hours

Since I announced Ktera 5 months ago.

ktera does not give out reset scrolls with elite the prices were set for the korean economy not the na economy. They didn't have the SES bug either on ktera. So no we didn't know about this 5 months ago on ktera because this never happened on ktera.
TERA PC - General Discussion#47 Lapomko04/10/2019, 12:36 PM
Just ban the people that used the exploit because they agreed to the ToS.
CornishRex wrote: »
It IS an issue and I can't believe people keep saying it isn't, are people just pretending to be stupid?

Ktera and EU tera don't hand out reset scrolls with elite, they're only obtainable through the vg shop and maybe some events, hence the price was the way it was. Now, you'd think, with how OBSESSED eme staff and bhs were with keeping NA tera as close to ktera as possible in terms of grind, economy, prices etc. they'd adjust the reset scroll prices accordingly. All their events since mongos have given jack [filtered], we had counterpoint parroting 24/7 that eme don't want to introduce massive amounts of gold anymore, that they don't want events to be rewarding because it sets an unfair advantage yada yada, and then THIS happens. EME was too incompetent as per usual to alert bhs of this discrepancy between the two regions or I don't know what, but they messed up. Introducing such massive amounts of gold only to a small community of older elite players after a year of not giving anything to anyone will once again mess progression up big time.

You would think that KTERA and EU would have better value for their scrolls since the scrolls they had were rare and not tied to gift boxes. But no, BHS seem to have reverse thinking. Remember what they did with the Entropic shop ?

GM seem to have absolute no idea what is really happening.
I guess that's the kind of reactions when you know the ship is sinking you pretend everything cool to calm yourself...

The only people who will suffer are the new players. Good luck letting them stick around.
I'm really done with this game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#49 Palochi04/10/2019, 01:28 PM
Interesting how many people are saying this is okay.
I guess you are so happy to finally have over 5mil gold that you don't realize it's worth almost nothing. The game is pretty much over, prices are insane for everything while the ways to make gold and the gold/hour they give didn't change, that + the braindead grind that was introduced with 0 content.
Gl keeping new/returning players, or even players who just didn't have elite for a long time. Banning ppl who did the dupe bug will probably only make the problem half better too, a lot of people did it and I'm pretty sure many did it on alt accounts or sent it to others, EME can't even afford to permanently ban those using *ern Scripts and exploits lmao.
A rollback is needed and the scroll prices should be talked about before letting ppl in the game.
CornishRex wrote: »
The reset scroll selling, not nearly as much of an issue and should not warrant a rollback.

It IS an issue and I can't believe people keep saying it isn't, are people just pretending to be stupid?

Ktera and EU tera don't hand out reset scrolls with elite, they're only obtainable through the vg shop and maybe some events, hence the price was the way it was. Now, you'd think, with how OBSESSED eme staff and bhs were with keeping NA tera as close to ktera as possible in terms of grind, economy, prices etc. they'd adjust the reset scroll prices accordingly. All their events since mongos have given jack [filtered], we had counterpoint parroting 24/7 that eme don't want to introduce massive amounts of gold anymore, that they don't want events to be rewarding because it sets an unfair advantage yada yada, and then THIS happens. EME was too incompetent as per usual to alert bhs of this discrepancy between the two regions or I don't know what, but they messed up. Introducing such massive amounts of gold only to a small community of older elite players after a year of not giving anything to anyone will once again mess progression up big time.

Not to mention there was a thread made by the players of course, which I assume eme didn't even take a peek into because of what happened, which spoke of this very exact thing that happened. A rollback is necessary but now it feels like it's too late, 12 hours after the maint and all.

Oh and one last thing that kami already mentioned earlier but BHS introduced tax for brokering for elites TO COMBAT INFLATION. There is no way this was intended, or that this isn't an issue. It's a big, big issue and it's turning eme into a joke once again. I'm also puzzled that the player council and the mods didn't get the response from eme as they have indeed alerted them beforehand, nor has eme given a proper response in that thread earlier to prepare people for this massive shitstorm but oh well, seems everyone here has a [filtered] for 0 communication. Embarrassing.

EME did a response. Blamed it on bluehole and said that its already adjuested for our economy. unknown.png

Just to clarify this, this was just before the SES exploit was known to them and fixed. If it had just been the original issue alone, I'm not sure what they would have done, but the SES issue compounded it even further.
TERA PC - General Discussion#51 kori8304/10/2019, 04:08 PM
The economy is absolutely destroyed at this point. Nearly everything now costs over 1 million gold on the broker. Elite is 1.5 million gold, if you were to do content the game has, which gives about 300 gold per dungeon it would take you nearly 200 days to make enough gold to get 30 days of elite. Sold all my scrolls and got 250k which I can't do anything with due to the inflated prices on the broker.

Palochi wrote: »
Interesting how many people are saying this is okay.
I guess you are so happy to finally have over 5mil gold that you don't realize it's worth almost nothing. The game is pretty much over, prices are insane for everything while the ways to make gold and the gold/hour they give didn't change, that + the braindead grind that was introduced with 0 content.
Gl keeping new/returning players, or even players who just didn't have elite for a long time. Banning ppl who did the dupe bug will probably only make the problem half better too, a lot of people did it and I'm pretty sure many did it on alt accounts or sent it to others, EME can't even afford to permanently ban those using *ern Scripts and exploits lmao.
A rollback is needed and the scroll prices should be talked about before letting ppl in the game.


I picked out these 2 quotes because as a (fairly) new player (since Feb 2019), this affects me the most.
I have 70k gold (due to the generosity of guildies)
I have Frostmetal gear, and was really looking forward to get my Stormcry weapon this month.
Now there is no way for me to buy darics or gems off the Broker to upgrade because everything is ridiculously inflated.

I'm not even gonna bother opening the launcher.
Has Tera on NA ever even experienced a rollback since its inception? From what I've seen a rollback possibility from EME is going to be a tall order. Even though dealing with this problem is going to be a hard choice regardless of the decision, I feel that a rollback is not an easy decision, but the correct one. Worst case scenario of all is just doing nothing from En Masse and not officially addressing the issue.
Guys, Gals. If you paid a little attention at all to when EU got the patch you would of known the prices of the scrolls would increase the amount of gold in the game tremendously. If you had investigated just a little you would of known to remove everything that you were selling in the TB right before the patch. I was watching EU streams for tera when their patch hit. I asked questions. Did my homework. Consolidated, prepped, and waited. The people complaining either didn't get in on the TB buyout in time or didnt have elite resets to sell. The SES blip is hardly game impacting. Oh no somebody made a bunch of golden talents they couldn't possibly ever use all of them. Well the economy eats those up when they get sold. Eventually the gold will settle again. Its been changing for a while now and by that i mean increasing prices on TB as gold is ALOT easier to get now.

TLDR: Salty peeps missed chance to raid TB, or didnt have elite scrolls stacked up. Rollback because of SES is a JOKE.
I was thinking about coming back for Patch 80 at the weekend when I could get some time to actually play, to see how things are. Would I have been in the loop with what's going on? I could have been, but not all players are.

Was.

New players (or even returning players) had extremely high in-game financial cost to supplement any of the current gearing system before the patch. Now, it's not even worth the effort to try unless you have some very kind friends out there.

And that's ignoring the SES issue entirely. But then again, I've heard that EME have caused a shortage of Gold and Silver Talents on the NA region ever since the current gearing system was released, so maybe the whole SES thing might actually be a chance for EME to see what the game could be like if they had supplemented Gold Talents instead of Gems.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Guys, Gals. If you paid a little attention at all to when EU got the patch you would of known the prices of the scrolls would increase the amount of gold in the game tremendously. If you had investigated just a little you would of known to remove everything that you were selling in the TB right before the patch. I was watching EU streams for tera when their patch hit. I asked questions. Did my homework. Consolidated, prepped, and waited. The people complaining either didn't get in on the TB buyout in time or didnt have elite resets to sell. The SES blip is hardly game impacting. Oh no somebody made a bunch of golden talents they couldn't possibly ever use all of them. Well the economy eats those up when they get sold. Eventually the gold will settle again. Its been changing for a while now and by that i mean increasing prices on TB as gold is ALOT easier to get now.

TLDR: Salty peeps missed chance to raid TB, or didnt have elite scrolls stacked up. Rollback because of SES is a JOKE.

A lot of us don't want to treat the game like a job, though. It's casual entertainment and I'll be damned if I'm going to study other versions of the game and "do my homework" prior each patch... that's when it stops being fun. An economy change like this affects even the casual player, though (I'd argue it affects us the most, actually). We are not "salty peeps" crying that we didn't get a chance to exploit the game. We're disheartened players who realize that if the game stands as is after this patch, it will be quite a while before it's even worth playing.
TERA PC - General Discussion#56 Melyodis04/10/2019, 04:36 PM
well here comes the roll back boop!
TERA PC - General Discussion#57 sanj6604/10/2019, 04:39 PM
As a result, we will be executing an emergency maintenance. During this time, we will be accomplishing three things:
Player progress will be rolled back to just before maintenance ended on 4/9.
Dismantling semi-enigmatic scrolls will have an adjusted rate of delivery for entropic emblems.
Free instance reset scrolls obtained from the Elite consumables box will have its sale price reduced drastically.

why wasnt this done yesterday when the exploit was discovered? even an eme employee said there is more than likely going to be no rollback and some of us grinded levels which now is wasted time, great job eme, only took you all almost a day for mainty, and a day to decide to roll back and screw people who leveled over.....
And apparently there is no way to just rollback the SeS exploit and the reset scroll prices alone? All exp and quests progress will be lost as well?
Idiots complain now take a big gold lose
KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
Idiots complain now take a big gold lose

Of course, let's blame the players for complaining.
Not EME for being incompetent.
I logged in too late for SES exploit and i dont care about gold, but i (and many others) been gridning whole day and got to lvl 66. And what we supposed to do? Like, what the actual heck?
How about contacting support with screenshot proof of being lvl 66?
TERA PC - General Discussion#62 Ntrahein04/10/2019, 04:47 PM
Well thanks to you guys everyone who got level 66 yesterday has to restart... That will kill the game, a lot of people told me if they did a roll back; they are quitting the game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#63 NerdFury04/10/2019, 04:48 PM
They could have done the rollback the moment they hotfixed the ses.
But now I lose all my exp, and another day of Elite....

No compensation btw, feelsgood
I can see the point of a roll back, but screwing players legitimately leveling and resetting their exp to pre patch is BS. I just lost a full days worth of questing.
TERA PC - General Discussion#65 Dulce04/10/2019, 04:50 PM
Beyond frustrating that this wasn't fixed yesterday when it was discovered and instead they waited so much time after maint was over..
Has Tera on NA ever even experienced a rollback since its inception? From what I've seen a rollback possibility from EME is going to be a tall order. Even though dealing with this problem is going to be a hard choice regardless of the decision, I feel that a rollback is not an easy decision, but the correct one. Worst case scenario of all is just doing nothing from En Masse and not officially addressing the issue.

It has happened once before many years ago, but it was for a shorter period of time (to address a dupe bug).

HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Guys, Gals. If you paid a little attention at all to when EU got the patch you would of known the prices of the scrolls would increase the amount of gold in the game tremendously. If you had investigated just a little you would of known to remove everything that you were selling in the TB right before the patch. I was watching EU streams for tera when their patch hit. I asked questions. Did my homework. Consolidated, prepped, and waited. The people complaining either didn't get in on the TB buyout in time or didnt have elite resets to sell.

I just want to say that I don't feel this is a fair and equitable way to treat customers who are paying for Elite. If a change is coming that is going to have a major material change in the value of the product you pay for, you need to be officially notified in advance so that you can take the needed action. To make it so that "people in the know" end up with millions or tens of millions of gold while people who weren't "in the know" get nothing (despite both paying the same for Elite) is not like "you snooze, you lose." When customers taking a break come back and find out that, if they had been there at the right time and known the right inside information, they could have instantly made millions of gold, how are they going to feel? Do you think they're going to be like "oh, I guess that's fair; I missed it"? Of course not...

So anyway, I think it's a bit of a bigger deal than you suggest.

(Edit: Most of this is a moot point now.)
Well, this went well, Lost a character i made just after maintenance and i only got like 2.4m from all the instance reset scrolls on top of it all.
TERA PC - General Discussion#68 sanj6604/10/2019, 04:51 PM
BearShoes 12:44PM
As compensation, once maintenance completes we will be running a 24 hour bonus XP event of 20% for 24 hours on all level 65+ dungeons and zones.

are these people even aware of how bad they screwed people over, wasting their time grinding? this is literally pathetic.
Is it possible to send lvl 65 characters a high % xp bonus scroll so those who DID dedicate last night to leveling can get through the level again in half the time? That would be a compromise, at least.
TERA PC - General Discussion#70 Lolitaa04/10/2019, 04:52 PM
im angry, amused, and glad! thanks eme i get my elin costumes back that was basically stole from me :grin:
but big middle finger to you i spent last 14 hrs geting to 66 :D
This is ridiculous. The economy issue would have self resolved within 2-3 months. The real issue is the experience being rolled back, I and many others I know took several days off of work to enjoy this patch, only to be slapped in the face with an extended maintenance?????? So not only did I essentially take leave for no reason, I also wasted many hours reaching 66 and a half, just to be slapped in the face again with a rollback??? How hard is it to just remove the duped stuff as that is the only true issue.
Well, everyone complaining got what they wanted. Now, everyone who was playing legit without cheating is also going to be punished and those scrolls will likely be 10 gold now. So, good job. I am salty that all the crafting i spent hours doing is now wasted, the costumes, the mounts, all a waste of my efforts. I know exploits are bad but now everyone has to suffer.
A roll back is good, and for the people complaining they lost ~16 hours of playing, that's just it, 16 hours of playing. As opposed to losing a whole economy and messing up every new person that decides to play this game or anyone that didn't have elite. Get a grip guys.
BearShoes 12:44PM
As compensation, once maintenance completes we will be running a 24 hour bonus XP event of 20% for 24 hours on all level 65+ dungeons and zones

Gives us 20%? 20%?????????????? Are you really that [filtered] all of you mEME employees?

Better shut down the servers instead. You're a joke for years, but this time, you're not even worth a word.....
exactly they knew about the ses and reset scrolls yesterday but why wait another day to have a rollback. all that grind for nothing. punishing us for their own mistakes.
I logged in too late for SES exploit and i dont care about gold, but i (and many others) been grinding whole day and got to lvl 66. And what we supposed to do? Like, what the actual heck EME?
How about contacting support with screenshot proof of being lvl 66?

Mockery, this is the compensation.
"As compensation, once maintenance completes we will be running a 24 hour bonus XP event of 20% for 24 hours on all level 65+ dungeons and zones."
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/31083/emergency-maintenance-4-10-9-45-am-pdt#latest
TERA PC - General Discussion#77 NerdFury04/10/2019, 04:56 PM
20% bonus exp compensation? LOL we need 200% boost.
wtf i just hit lvl 66 :/
I logged in too late for SES exploit and i dont care about gold, but i (and many others) been grinding whole day and got to lvl 66. And what we supposed to do? Like, what the actual heck EME?
How about contacting support with screenshot proof of being lvl 66?

Mockery, this is the compensation.
"As compensation, once maintenance completes we will be running a 24 hour bonus XP event of 20% for 24 hours on all level 65+ dungeons and zones."
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/31083/emergency-maintenance-4-10-9-45-am-pdt#latest

Great on lvl 65+ only What about people who just leveled to 65 they have time to waste to lvl again? Well done EME. This time you really done it major.
They decided to have Semi scrolls for that amount as well as the reset scrolls. People did the smart thing that was provided to them in game to help their progress. WHY IS THE PLAYER BASE BEING PUNISHED FOR THE IDIOCY OF THE DEVS? It's not cheating.. it's not us exploiting. Fix the [filtered] holes in the game. Get a test server , make sure [filtered] is solid before you inn act such a huge patch and a rollback would never need to occur. It is not OUR FAULT the BHS/EME can't see the obvious inflation in numbers on the selling price or dismantling of an object before they put it into play. They gave it to us and we accepted.
Idk anymore with this company. I came back yesterday cause i was excited for the 70 patch then to be slapped in the face from grinding the quest then for it just to go poof because someone on the COMPANY side couldn't do research on the matter of scrolls etc. Like why are we being punished on the matter when the COMPANY couldn't figure it out before.
TERA PC - General Discussion#81 sanj6604/10/2019, 04:59 PM
CornishRex wrote: »
A roll back is good, and for the people complaining they lost ~16 hours of playing, that's just it, 16 hours of playing. As opposed to losing a whole economy and messing up every new person that decides to play this game or anyone that didn't have elite. Get a grip guys.

a whole economy? it would have sooner or later resolved itself thanks to the high gold sinks implemented in game in recent patches, but losing players who tbh i can see fed up with the literal unprofessionalism of this company that is a bigger problem. first off lets take a look at this patch, no news on the road map and its intended date, no announcement etc for a delay, no real patch notes or rather half baked one and having to rely on another region to get full patch notes, ridiculous mainty time compared to other regions, multiple bugs/issues (quality q&a for you), a staff member telling people a rollback isnt on the cards, then a day later another staff member announces a roll back and a pathetic 20% exp even for 1 day as comp, atleast it should have been 100% exp to make up for losing an entire day but even then that does not equate or compensate for delaying a rollback when you could have brought the servers back down last night or even announced to players a rollback was intended to be done in the future. so who is it that should get a grip?
Like, either playtest things properly before patching it in, or just let the economy fix itself over time. The most [filtered] thing available is what EME chose to do.

And this is not the first time EME does something stupid. Instead of just following the loudest voice on the [filtered] forums, maybe actually use your brain yeah?

I spent a bunch of time grinding mobs to 66 and basically lost all the progress. And no, the [filtered] xp event doesn't do [filtered] for me cause i'm busy today.
Ntrahein wrote: »
Well thanks to you guys everyone who got level 66 yesterday has to restart... That will kill the game, a lot of people told me if they did a roll back; they are quitting the game.

lol, man SES glitch too much crafting mats that cannot be traded... ROLLBACK
TERA Community: Getting talents in this game is a joke fix it!!!, SES glitch used to introduce tons of golden talents to economy... ROLLBACK

So exactly why are we rolling back oh thats right for the peeps that didn't have scrolls to sell and made gold off of them. This happened in EU guys they didn't nerf the price of scrolls there the didn't R O L L B A C K

Watch the steam count on the amount of players in the game over the next week.
rolling back 16 hours of [filtered] RNG, I crit diamonds in that time, I upgraded weapons and got to lv66, rare [filtered] dropped; and I'm going to lose all that cause some fuckheads decided to dupe items. This [filtered] "compensation" isn't going to re-upgrade my weapon. [filtered] this game
20% bonus exp how wonderful, will you call my work and tell them to give me an extra paid personal day for your fuckup? slash sarcasm.
CornishRex wrote: »
A roll back is good, and for the people complaining they lost ~16 hours of playing, that's just it, 16 hours of playing. As opposed to losing a whole economy and messing up every new person that decides to play this game or anyone that didn't have elite. Get a grip guys.

Are you 0iq? New Players aren't the one's syncing thousands of dollars into this company to keep them afloat. I would rather a big F**k you to those "new" players than to ostracize those who actively keep up and support the game. The economy would have self-stabilized eventually. They've screwed everyone over two-fold for absolutely no other reason than their own incompetence.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
How hard is it to just remove the duped stuff as that is the only true issue.

FWIW, it would have been completely impossible. The impact of the exploits was so complete and excessive that it already completely altered the entire economy. The entire broker was bought out and everything relisted at multiple times the price. Gold has shifted all over the game. Basically, it was a cataclysmic event.

It absolutely totally sucks for people who didn't abuse any exploits and were playing the game fairly in the last day, and there's no way around that. But yeah... there would have been no other viable way to clean up this mess.
AngelLiera wrote: »
T Get a test server , make sure [filtered] is solid before you inn act such a huge patch and a rollback would never need to occur.

THIS is the TEST SERVER :Xd
Xenomaren wrote: »
rolling back 16 hours of [filtered] RNG, I crit diamonds in that time, I upgraded weapons and got to lv66, rare [filtered] dropped; and I'm going to lose all that cause some fuckheads decided to dupe items. This [filtered] "compensation" isn't going to re-upgrade my weapon. [filtered] this game

The item dupe isnt even that game changing, its the people complaining about not getting on the bandwagon
TERA PC - General Discussion#90 Hectorx04/10/2019, 05:02 PM
What about EMP items purchased during yesterday?
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
So exactly why are we rolling back oh thats right for the peeps that didn't have scrolls to sell and made gold off of them. This happened in EU guys they didn't nerf the price of scrolls there the didn't R O L L B A C K

FWIW, it's totally different there because they don't have Elite Consumable Boxes. That's the source of the problem here.
The economy would have self-stabilized eventually.

Sirenglide wrote: »
I spent a bunch of time grinding mobs to 66 and basically lost all the progress. And no, the [filtered] xp event doesn't do [filtered] for me cause i'm busy today.

That's why I asked about scrolls... at least then people can take advantage of increased xp on their own time.
TERA PC - General Discussion#94 Mopho04/10/2019, 05:04 PM
[filtered] this rollback, EME's too lazy to punish the abusers and instead punishing us all with this [filtered].

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Screw the gold, screw the semis. What pisses me off the most is the hours I've put in last night to playing the game, rushing to 66. Luckily I gave up early and didnt stay up all night playing. I feel bad for the players who have taken work off, played for hours to rush to 66-67. If I alone felt like uninstalling the game the moment I heard about this, I can only imagine how some others feel about it.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
How hard is it to just remove the duped stuff as that is the only true issue.

FWIW, it would have been completely impossible. The impact of the exploits was so complete and excessive that it already completely altered the entire economy. The entire broker was bought out and everything relisted at multiple times the price. Gold has shifted all over the game. Basically, it was a cataclysmic event.

It absolutely totally sucks for people who didn't abuse any exploits and were playing the game fairly in the last day, and there's no way around that. But yeah... there would have been no other viable way to clean up this mess.

The broker being bought out and the slight economy shift (which would have self corrected) had nothing to do with the dupe exploit.It shouldn't be hard to check logs, find dupers, check the tables for the player who duped, reset their bank/inventory, undo trades.
Well, now delay pacht to april 18 dont sounds stupidi now rite ?

I'm positive we'd have all the same issues.

im sure this will be happend, but at least they notice , and maybe delay until they get better solutions , dont get people more rage, cuz they cant wait a sooon (tm)
After this, Elite will be useless anyway. So get your empty headed employees to work ,or recruit new ones. This [filtered] can't go on. We've got forum managers, but they don't care, We've got CM managers, but hey don't care
CornishRex wrote: »
A roll back is good, and for the people complaining they lost ~16 hours of playing, that's just it, 16 hours of playing. As opposed to losing a whole economy and messing up every new person that decides to play this game or anyone that didn't have elite. Get a grip guys.

Are you 0iq? New Players aren't the one's syncing thousands of dollars into this company to keep them afloat. I would rather a big F**k you to those "new" players than to ostracize those who actively keep up and support the game. The economy would have self-stabilized eventually. They've screwed everyone over two-fold for absolutely no other reason than their own incompetence.

Are you that upset over losing a few hours of grind as opposed to losing a ton of players (including veterans!) because of these item dupes and reset scroll messups? Half a day of grind is a tiny amount of grind you'll have to do to reach lvl 70 on one character, let alone multiple. Seriously, chill the heck out. Most people here seem to be rabid, sounds scary lmao

Losing one day is somehow worse than losing months of gold grind and lost value in emp purchases which breeds discontent and makes people leave. You people.
TERA PC - General Discussion#100 jrs104/10/2019, 05:08 PM
Can we have some bonus exp for below level 65 also? I know leveling is already fast, but I just spent a few hours leveling with no idea that the rollback was going to happen. I actually think I made the character after maintenance so he'll probably be gone and have to re-level.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
How hard is it to just remove the duped stuff as that is the only true issue.

FWIW, it would have been completely impossible. The impact of the exploits was so complete and excessive that it already completely altered the entire economy. The entire broker was bought out and everything relisted at multiple times the price. Gold has shifted all over the game. Basically, it was a cataclysmic event.

It absolutely totally sucks for people who didn't abuse any exploits and were playing the game fairly in the last day, and there's no way around that. But yeah... there would have been no other viable way to clean up this mess.

The broker being bought out and the slight economy shift (which would have self corrected) had nothing to do with the dupe exploit.It shouldn't be hard to check logs, find dupers, check the tables for the player who duped, reset their bank/inventory, undo trades.

It's not just the dupe exploit alone that's the problem. The Elite Reset Scrolls were completely imbalanced, but that was not an "exploit" so there's no way to isolate it. Besides, even the people who did the dupe, the impact had ripple effects on the entire economy by that point -- spread to alt accounts, via trade to other players, gold exchanging hands all over the place. It's impossible to clean up the mess. If you participated in the trade economy in any way in the last ~16 hours, you were impacted, and that's a lot of people.
TERA PC - General Discussion#102 Lyanni04/10/2019, 05:09 PM
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
How hard is it to just remove the duped stuff as that is the only true issue.

FWIW, it would have been completely impossible. The impact of the exploits was so complete and excessive that it already completely altered the entire economy. The entire broker was bought out and everything relisted at multiple times the price. Gold has shifted all over the game. Basically, it was a cataclysmic event.

It absolutely totally sucks for people who didn't abuse any exploits and were playing the game fairly in the last day, and there's no way around that. But yeah... there would have been no other viable way to clean up this mess.

It doesnt matter how much people try to explain, some people won't understand the problem counterpoint...
It sucks for the one's that took the time to do stuff fairly, but if there isnt other way around the rollback was needed.

see this quote? people don't understand, trying to explain is just wasting time.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

The item dupe isnt even that game changing, its the people complaining about not getting on the bandwagon


EDIT: I must say that EME should have addressed the issue earlier, and closed the server till something was done, or at least make people know that progress could potentialy be rollbacked.
Again, the economy would of settled to deal with the influx of gold the SES was not game breaking people just say it. Lots of folks didnt have the scrolls to sell and felt left out complained said it broke the game and demanded a rollback. Id ask the support team to sit down drink more coffee and let it do its work then make a decision about a rollback. Just a bunch of people mad they missed the bandwagon is all.
TERA PC - General Discussion#104 Viauxi04/10/2019, 05:11 PM
Just the typical sheer incompetence. Nothing new here!
It is just scientifically fascinating watching this company consistently fail at literally everything for the last 5 years. I somehow, without fail, always return to this game only to witness yet another trainwreck of a show that is worse than the one before. Wait a whole day to try to fix an economy ruining, game breaking bug. Just wow. I have no words.

They have a gem of an absolute game, 2 if you count pubG. And the amount of failure between the both of them is just astonishing. I honestly think a new word needs to be invented specifically for the level of incompetence that is prevalent in the gaming industry today.
TERA PC - General Discussion#105 NerdFury04/10/2019, 05:11 PM
CornishRex wrote: »
A roll back is good, and for the people complaining they lost ~16 hours of playing, that's just it, 16 hours of playing. As opposed to losing a whole economy and messing up every new person that decides to play this game or anyone that didn't have elite. Get a grip guys.

My time is more important than the game economy.
Also this rollback could have been done instantly, the moment they hotfixed the ses issue, it should have been done.

Now I lose my valuable time because eme was lazy? People have every right to be upset.
NerdFury wrote: »
20% bonus exp compensation? LOL we need 200% boost.
wtf i just hit lvl 66 :/

dont forget rested exp cuz you waste all
TERA PC - General Discussion#107 Melyodis04/10/2019, 05:12 PM
sanj66 wrote: »
As a result, we will be executing an emergency maintenance. During this time, we will be accomplishing three things:
Player progress will be rolled back to just before maintenance ended on 4/9.
Dismantling semi-enigmatic scrolls will have an adjusted rate of delivery for entropic emblems.
Free instance reset scrolls obtained from the Elite consumables box will have its sale price reduced drastically.

why wasnt this done yesterday when the exploit was discovered? even an eme employee said there is more than likely going to be no rollback and some of us grinded levels which now is wasted time, great job eme, only took you all almost a day for mainty, and a day to decide to roll back and screw people who leveled over.....

Context is important, you can not take one gm Opinion, for how the whole company feels cause the word i was used if the gm used we you can flame them up. Then again na player base loves to cheat so we get punished for it.
jrs1 wrote: »
Can we have some bonus exp for below level 65 also? I know leveling is already fast, but I just spent a few hours leveling with no idea that the rollback was going to happen. I actually think I made the character after maintenance so he'll probably be gone and have to re-level.

Yes at least give us some bonus xp too Its not just to give them only to 65+. Im soo [filtered] of that I really considering if log in game again or just move on.
TERA PC - General Discussion#109 sanj6604/10/2019, 05:14 PM
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
How hard is it to just remove the duped stuff as that is the only true issue.

FWIW, it would have been completely impossible. The impact of the exploits was so complete and excessive that it already completely altered the entire economy. The entire broker was bought out and everything relisted at multiple times the price. Gold has shifted all over the game. Basically, it was a cataclysmic event.

It absolutely totally sucks for people who didn't abuse any exploits and were playing the game fairly in the last day, and there's no way around that. But yeah... there would have been no other viable way to clean up this mess.

agreed but it should have been done last night, as idk if you saw this but
https://i.imgur.com/E5sovgY.png
the issue is why did it take so long and for a gm to give players false hope into going forward leveling,
Dang I rarely login on this page but goodness mistakes after mistakes, I don't care about the gold I got around 6m from selling them scrolls you can have it (definitely not players fault), but men, to see all players efforts hours of grinding rolled back is very disappointing. Obviously people are not doing their job properly, the incompetence is very strong on this one.
I feel like a rollback was necessary due to how absolutely messed the economy got due to the duping and hyperinflation and etc, but for people who legitimately spent hours working their butts off trying to get levels and gear with the new patch, the only compensation being a 20% xp boost feels like someone walking into a burn ward with a roll of bandages and jar of vaseline expecting everyone to be healed by tomorrow.
TERA PC - General Discussion#112 sanj6604/10/2019, 05:15 PM
CornishRex wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
A roll back is good, and for the people complaining they lost ~16 hours of playing, that's just it, 16 hours of playing. As opposed to losing a whole economy and messing up every new person that decides to play this game or anyone that didn't have elite. Get a grip guys.

Are you 0iq? New Players aren't the one's syncing thousands of dollars into this company to keep them afloat. I would rather a big F**k you to those "new" players than to ostracize those who actively keep up and support the game. The economy would have self-stabilized eventually. They've screwed everyone over two-fold for absolutely no other reason than their own incompetence.

Are you that upset over losing a few hours of grind as opposed to losing a ton of players (including veterans!) because of these item dupes and reset scroll messups? Half a day of grind is a tiny amount of grind you'll have to do to reach lvl 70 on one character, let alone multiple. Seriously, chill the heck out. Most people here seem to be rabid, sounds scary lmao

Losing one day is somehow worse than losing months of gold grind and lost value in emp purchases which breeds discontent and makes people leave. You people.

i can more than assure you vets are more pissed at losing their time grinding that gold fyi
Lyanni wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
How hard is it to just remove the duped stuff as that is the only true issue.

FWIW, it would have been completely impossible. The impact of the exploits was so complete and excessive that it already completely altered the entire economy. The entire broker was bought out and everything relisted at multiple times the price. Gold has shifted all over the game. Basically, it was a cataclysmic event.

It absolutely totally sucks for people who didn't abuse any exploits and were playing the game fairly in the last day, and there's no way around that. But yeah... there would have been no other viable way to clean up this mess.

It doesnt matter how much people try to explain, some people won't understand the problem counterpoint...
It sucks for the one's that took the time to do stuff fairly, but if there isnt other way around the rollback was needed.

see this quote? people don't understand, trying to explain is just wasting time.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

The item dupe isnt even that game changing, its the people complaining about not getting on the bandwagon


EDIT: I must say that EME should have addressed the issue earlier, and closed the server till something was done, or at least make people know that progress could potentialy be rollbacked.

Unfortunately, no.
Communicating something like:
"Hi, guys.
We're aware there was a major issue with the reset scroll sale price and other major exploits.
A rollback might be required tomorrow or in the next few days.
Unfortunately, we need to contact BHS because we have no autonomy whatsoever."
That seems so difficult.
TERA PC - General Discussion#114 Xenomaren04/10/2019, 05:17 PM
CornishRex wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
A roll back is good, and for the people complaining they lost ~16 hours of playing, that's just it, 16 hours of playing. As opposed to losing a whole economy and messing up every new person that decides to play this game or anyone that didn't have elite. Get a grip guys.

Are you 0iq? New Players aren't the one's syncing thousands of dollars into this company to keep them afloat. I would rather a big F**k you to those "new" players than to ostracize those who actively keep up and support the game. The economy would have self-stabilized eventually. They've screwed everyone over two-fold for absolutely no other reason than their own incompetence.

Are you that upset over losing a few hours of grind as opposed to losing a ton of players (including veterans!) because of these item dupes and reset scroll messups? Half a day of grind is a tiny amount of grind you'll have to do to reach lvl 70 on one character, let alone multiple. Seriously, chill the heck out. Most people here seem to be rabid, sounds scary lmao

Losing one day is somehow worse than losing months of gold grind and lost value in emp purchases which breeds discontent and makes people leave. You people.

you hare HANDS DOWN, the biggest [filtered] I've seen in 2 years, and I was here when EME decided to ban 3rd party and everyone went to EU
50% of the values practiced in the European patch, I would already be happy.


-Scroll EU:

Alpha Instance Reset Scroll -1000g
Beta Instance Reset Scroll -1250g
Gamma Instance Reset Scroll -1500g
Delta Instance Reset Scroll -1750g
Epsilon Instance Reset Scroll -2000g
Zeta Instance Reset Scroll -2250g
Eta Instance Reset Scroll -2500g
They literally hot patched the SES bug that didnt effect the game in a huge way. THEN decided to do a rollback the next day? WTF? Peoples biggest complaint about the TB? Sooo that guy that was selling a hello kitty pet for 3 mil is mad that somebody actually paid 3 mil for it when he could of gotten 5-6 million if he was there for the influx of gold? Nope its the people that missed the chance that are complaining the most. None of what you need to progress in the game is solely found in the TB. Yet the influx of gold is the most touted reason for the reset.
TERA PC - General Discussion#117 Lapomko04/10/2019, 05:21 PM
Screw the gold, screw the semis. What pisses me off the most is the hours I've put in last night to playing the game, rushing to 66. Luckily I gave up early and didnt stay up all night playing. I feel bad for the players who have taken work off, played for hours to rush to 66-67. If I alone felt like uninstalling the game the moment I heard about this, I can only imagine how some others feel about it.

You really care more about yourself than the health of the game? The impact what this semis/reset scroll exploit will have will persist for very very long time and your wasted day only took 1 night.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
The economy would have self-stabilized eventually.

Don't agree because I witnessed in other mmorpg with hackers pouring massive amount of gold and GM's trying to block and track the trades but most of the gold was impossible to track also innocent people possibly being banned too. Same with items being duped. After 5 years the game still has destroyed economy and you couldn't buy anything as a new player. So doing a rollback is best course of action because as I described up here it would be impossible to track where the gold/items went to at some point.

Don't cry either because it's only 1 day because I played a MMORPG called SRO and we had a 1 week rollback from 1 hacker that figured out a GM account and generating gold.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
They literally hot patched the SES bug that didnt effect the game in a huge way. THEN decided to do a rollback the next day? WTF? Peoples biggest complaint about the TB? Sooo that guy that was selling a hello kitty pet for 3 mil is mad that somebody actually paid 3 mil for it when he could of gotten 5-6 million if he was there for the influx of gold? Nope its the people that missed the chance that are complaining the most. None of what you need to progress in the game is solely found in the TB. Yet the influx of gold is the most touted reason for the reset.

Apologies, but are you blind?
This is literally in the same thread.
tyeme.png
Do you honestly believe only a single player managed this?
M4JYYX3JRG wrote: »
50% of the values practiced in the European patch, I would already be happy.


-Scroll EU:

Alpha Instance Reset Scroll -1000g
Beta Instance Reset Scroll -1250g
Gamma Instance Reset Scroll -1500g
Delta Instance Reset Scroll -1750g
Epsilon Instance Reset Scroll -2000g
Zeta Instance Reset Scroll -2250g
Eta Instance Reset Scroll -2500g

I literally posted that had people paid attention to EU when they got the patch they would of known that this was comming. I consolidated all my scrolls and took everything i had for sale on the TB off. Sigh lol i think im done with arguing this. Ive officially been mEMEd.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
They literally hot patched the SES bug that didnt effect the game in a huge way. THEN decided to do a rollback the next day? WTF? Peoples biggest complaint about the TB? Sooo that guy that was selling a hello kitty pet for 3 mil is mad that somebody actually paid 3 mil for it when he could of gotten 5-6 million if he was there for the influx of gold? Nope its the people that missed the chance that are complaining the most. None of what you need to progress in the game is solely found in the TB. Yet the influx of gold is the most touted reason for the reset.

Apologies, but are you blind?
This is literally in the same thread.
tyeme.png
Do you honestly believe only a single player managed this?

and having a [filtered] load of crafting mats hurts the economy how? Introducing golden and silver talents to the economy that people were complaining were scarce hurt the economy is bad how? Im not blind i took a second to see how that could hurt the economy and decided it was negligible.
M4JYYX3JRG wrote: »
50% of the values practiced in the European patch, I would already be happy.


-Scroll EU:

Alpha Instance Reset Scroll -1000g
Beta Instance Reset Scroll -1250g
Gamma Instance Reset Scroll -1500g
Delta Instance Reset Scroll -1750g
Epsilon Instance Reset Scroll -2000g
Zeta Instance Reset Scroll -2250g
Eta Instance Reset Scroll -2500g


This man. EU did it. No rollback. Come to NA bunch of kids cry about the fact that they did't have any reset scroll and didn't make a bunch of gold.
Bottom line is, this has been out for a while. We knew the prices, we knew what was coming. Those who got rich off of this, would have helped the economy. We wouldn't just have one or two people dominating the TB. More people investing in buying. Given time, everything would have settled down. The prices on stuff will go up REGARDLESS of what happened last night because of the increase of the gold on vanguard quests. I don't know man, the whole situation is a huge mess.
TERA PC - General Discussion#122 sanj6604/10/2019, 05:25 PM
Lapomko wrote: »
Screw the gold, screw the semis. What pisses me off the most is the hours I've put in last night to playing the game, rushing to 66. Luckily I gave up early and didnt stay up all night playing. I feel bad for the players who have taken work off, played for hours to rush to 66-67. If I alone felt like uninstalling the game the moment I heard about this, I can only imagine how some others feel about it.

You really care more about yourself than the health of the game? The impact what this semis/reset scroll exploit will have will persist for very very long time and your wasted day only took 1 night.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
The economy would have self-stabilized eventually.

Don't agree because I witnessed in other mmorpg with hackers pouring massive amount of gold and GM's trying to block and track the trades but most of the gold was impossible to track also innocent people possibly being banned too. Same with items being duped. After 5 years the game still has destroyed economy and you couldn't buy anything as a new player. So doing a rollback is best course of action because as I described up here it would be impossible to track where the gold/items went to at some point.

Don't cry either because it's only 1 day because I played a MMORPG called SRO and we had a 1 week rollback from 1 hacker that figured out a GM account and generating gold.

because it happened in one game doesnt mean it was right for that game or this one. the gold would have affected nothing you NEED in game, people talking about new players, you literally farm everything you need and enchanting costs are the same, if they had increased inchating cost to deal with the inflation sure then it would be an issue. if you all cared so much about the economy where were you all with the first mongo event? or when someone leaked the token rates to their friends when they were supposed to make a guide for eme? because losing 1 day for you is not a problem doesnt mean it is for everyone else, i can ask you the same thing do you put your self ahead of the game?
TERA PC - General Discussion#123 Lyanni04/10/2019, 05:26 PM
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

I literally posted that had people paid attention to EU when they got the patch they would of known that this was comming. I consolidated all my scrolls and took everything i had for sale on the TB off. Sigh lol i think im done with arguing this. Ive officially been mEMEd.

You need to take a while and read carefully what's the problem, I dont think you have a clue what's the problem.
With every reply you make im more sure that you have no clue.
Xenomaren wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
A roll back is good, and for the people complaining they lost ~16 hours of playing, that's just it, 16 hours of playing. As opposed to losing a whole economy and messing up every new person that decides to play this game or anyone that didn't have elite. Get a grip guys.

Are you 0iq? New Players aren't the one's syncing thousands of dollars into this company to keep them afloat. I would rather a big F**k you to those "new" players than to ostracize those who actively keep up and support the game. The economy would have self-stabilized eventually. They've screwed everyone over two-fold for absolutely no other reason than their own incompetence.

Are you that upset over losing a few hours of grind as opposed to losing a ton of players (including veterans!) because of these item dupes and reset scroll messups? Half a day of grind is a tiny amount of grind you'll have to do to reach lvl 70 on one character, let alone multiple. Seriously, chill the heck out. Most people here seem to be rabid, sounds scary lmao

Losing one day is somehow worse than losing months of gold grind and lost value in emp purchases which breeds discontent and makes people leave. You people.

you hare HANDS DOWN, the biggest [filtered] I've seen in 2 years, and I was here when EME decided to ban 3rd party and everyone went to EU

Calm down and take a deep breath. You'll be grinding a couple of weeks non stop. You lost only 16~ hours provided that you played the whole time after the servers went up. It's really, really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things and it's better EME did this later than never. They should've done it right away and it would've been much better but this is better than leaving it as is.
NerdFury wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
A roll back is good, and for the people complaining they lost ~16 hours of playing, that's just it, 16 hours of playing. As opposed to losing a whole economy and messing up every new person that decides to play this game or anyone that didn't have elite. Get a grip guys.

My time is more important than the game economy.
Also this rollback could have been done instantly, the moment they hotfixed the ses issue, it should have been done.

Now I lose my valuable time because eme was lazy? People have every right to be upset.

Your name fits your post lmao
Anyway you deserve the right to be upset but you should also be able to see why this was ultimately the right decision and why leaving it as is would have harmed you more than this MINOR setback. I've got 7k (steam logged...) hours in this game and 16 hours is like 0.2%, in the end it's just a small amount of time lost for a big fix. Also who knows, this [filtered] up economy could've made you quit sometime into the future so /shrug
Getting lots of entrophic emblems, gold and golden talents legitly? Doubt it..

Getting a unique item from a rare dungeon drop and rollback items? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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Seriously, rare may be the cases, but yestereday on a AAHM run i got a Energetic Trascended mask and now its getting rerolled....

That wont ease the thing that THOSE MASKS ARE RARE! >:V
CornishRex wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
A roll back is good, and for the people complaining they lost ~16 hours of playing, that's just it, 16 hours of playing. As opposed to losing a whole economy and messing up every new person that decides to play this game or anyone that didn't have elite. Get a grip guys.

Are you 0iq? New Players aren't the one's syncing thousands of dollars into this company to keep them afloat. I would rather a big F**k you to those "new" players than to ostracize those who actively keep up and support the game. The economy would have self-stabilized eventually. They've screwed everyone over two-fold for absolutely no other reason than their own incompetence.

Are you that upset over losing a few hours of grind as opposed to losing a ton of players (including veterans!) because of these item dupes and reset scroll messups? Half a day of grind is a tiny amount of grind you'll have to do to reach lvl 70 on one character, let alone multiple. Seriously, chill the heck out. Most people here seem to be rabid, sounds scary lmao

Losing one day is somehow worse than losing months of gold grind and lost value in emp purchases which breeds discontent and makes people leave. You people.

Breeds discontent? You act like everyone was okay with the game before the patch dropped. Who do you think are the people out there grinding their asses off last night? A whole [filtered] ton of veterans. I know so many of them and not a single one of them complained about this nonsense. All they did was get on and do their thing, grind. I don't think you get the fact that these "couple hours of grinding" aren't simple hours. Many people took time that they could have spent making real money to play this game. You know what they got? 15 hours of maintenance (roughly after this emergency one), a Rollback, and a [filtered] 20% xp buff. Anything rng that was obtained, now lost. It's not a simple matter, stop acting like it is. The rollback is just another bandaid on an already dying game. As a veteran, this is by far the furthest I've seen enmasse shove their heads up their own asses.
Hahaa Sanj brought up the mongos that was a big one.
Lyanni wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

I literally posted that had people paid attention to EU when they got the patch they would of known that this was comming. I consolidated all my scrolls and took everything i had for sale on the TB off. Sigh lol i think im done with arguing this. Ive officially been mEMEd.

You need to take a while and read carefully what's the problem, I dont think you have a clue what's the problem.
With every reply you make im more sure that you have no clue.

So break it down what IS the problem as you see it
Getting lots of entrophic emblems, gold and golden talents legitly? Doubt it..

Getting a unique item from a rare dungeon drop and rollback items? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

?name=TERA_ScreenShot_20190410_114244.png

Seriously, rare may be the cases, but yestereday on a AAHM run i got a Energetic Trascended mask and now its getting rerolled....

That wont ease the thing that THOSE MASKS ARE RARE! >:V

You dont need the mask You will get a nice 20% xp as compensation (Just being sarcastic)
NerdFury wrote: »
My time is more important than the game economy.
Also this rollback could have been done instantly, the moment they hotfixed the ses issue, it should have been done.

Now I lose my valuable time because eme was lazy? People have every right to be upset.

Enmasse doesn't own they game. Just the rights to publish it. I imagine any changes made had to be discussed over with Bluehole first, including possible fixes to the problem. This statement you made here only makes you sound egocentric...
@TailofHarts LOL take your upvote
TERA PC - General Discussion#131 Catfeine04/10/2019, 05:32 PM
As someone who made a good chunk of money off the reset scrolls, I honestly think the rollback is a good idea.
People can say that the market would "balance itself out" after awhile, but that's just not fair to new players. I'm an old time player who just came back a few weeks ago, and even then the market was pretty high. Though still doable since gold seems to be a little easier to get now without having to buy stuff with EMP. Granted in Kaiator the market is higher than in Velika (I've got characters on both).

It's a little upsetting losing the costumes you finally got to buy after so long, but a lot of people didn't just buy costumes because they have been wanting them, a lot of people bought them to make profit off them later. Plus the huge exploit with semi's was just ridiculous, I know someone who took advantage of it, and it was just mind boggling. The people who made tons and tons of gold are going to be salty about the rollback, but you'll still be getting some of that money back, just not nearly as much so it doesn't break the economy.
I do agree that EME should have rolled back a lot sooner than this, but the game did take awhile to even get finished.

Sorry if what I said was already mostly stated in this thread, I just thought I'd give my opinion on the matter as someone who was part of the people who got to profit off the reset scrolls.
As a veteran, this is by far the furthest I've seen enmasse shove their heads up their own asses.

Best. Comment. On. This. Thread.
Catfeine wrote: »
As someone who made a good chunk of money off the reset scrolls, I honestly think the rollback is a good idea.
People can say that the market would "balance itself out" after awhile, but that's just not fair to new players. I'm an old time player who just came back a few weeks ago, and even then the market was pretty high. Though still doable since gold seems to be a little easier to get now without having to buy stuff with EMP. Granted in Kaiator the market is higher than in Velika (I've got characters on both).

It's a little upsetting losing the costumes you finally got to buy after so long, but a lot of people didn't just buy costumes because they have been wanting them, a lot of people bought them to make profit off them later. Plus the huge exploit with semi's was just ridiculous, I know someone who took advantage of it, and it was just mind boggling. The people who made tons and tons of gold are going to be salty about the rollback, but you'll still be getting some of that money back, just not nearly as much so it doesn't break the economy.
I do agree that EME should have rolled back a lot sooner than this, but the game did take awhile to even get finished.

Sorry if what I said was already mostly stated in this thread, I just thought I'd give my opinion on the matter as someone who was part of the people who got to profit off the reset scrolls.

SO how did the SES break the game? Everybody sites this but it always comes back to the economy and the gold. If people cared about the economy at all there wouldnt be any kamisumas or fellows. People just want the gold thats all it is.
CornishRex wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
A roll back is good, and for the people complaining they lost ~16 hours of playing, that's just it, 16 hours of playing. As opposed to losing a whole economy and messing up every new person that decides to play this game or anyone that didn't have elite. Get a grip guys.

Are you 0iq? New Players aren't the one's syncing thousands of dollars into this company to keep them afloat. I would rather a big F**k you to those "new" players than to ostracize those who actively keep up and support the game. The economy would have self-stabilized eventually. They've screwed everyone over two-fold for absolutely no other reason than their own incompetence.

Are you that upset over losing a few hours of grind as opposed to losing a ton of players (including veterans!) because of these item dupes and reset scroll messups? Half a day of grind is a tiny amount of grind you'll have to do to reach lvl 70 on one character, let alone multiple. Seriously, chill the heck out. Most people here seem to be rabid, sounds scary lmao

Losing one day is somehow worse than losing months of gold grind and lost value in emp purchases which breeds discontent and makes people leave. You people.

Breeds discontent? You act like everyone was okay with the game before the patch dropped. Who do you think are the people out there grinding their asses off last night? A whole [filtered] ton of veterans. I know so many of them and not a single one of them complained about this nonsense. All they did was get on and do their thing, grind. I don't think you get the fact that these "couple hours of grinding" aren't simple hours. Many people took time that they could have spent making real money to play this game. You know what they got? 15 hours of maintenance (roughly after this emergency one), a Rollback, and a [filtered] 20% xp buff. Anything rng that was obtained, now lost. It's not a simple matter, stop acting like it is. The rollback is just another bandaid on an already dying game. As a veteran, this is by far the furthest I've seen enmasse shove their heads up their own asses.

They weren't okay and this patch just made it much, much worse. And I couldn't agree more with you, enmasse messed up big time, they had to waste their own players time even more with the rollback but I stand behind it, ultimately the rollback was the right decision to make. I know how it is to lose hours of time when you have a day off and eme decides to do a 12 hr maint and it sucks but I'd rather have a more proper version of the game than this mess.
TERA PC - General Discussion#135 Catfeine04/10/2019, 05:38 PM
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

SO how did the SES break the game? Everybody sites this but it always comes back to the economy and the gold. If people cared about the economy at all there wouldnt be any kamisumas or fellows. People just want the gold thats all it is.
Someone has already pointed the SES break out to you in a previous post
tyeme.png
THIS shouldn't have happened.
TERA PC - General Discussion#136 MrPhoenix04/10/2019, 05:38 PM
man i honestly dont give a rats [filtered] about the gold that was givien so freely. i'm more upset about the fact i spent last night to grind for the experience and the red quest to have it thrown out the window because they couldn't, you know, test their game to make sure it wasn't broken/bugged.
Catfeine wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

SO how did the SES break the game? Everybody sites this but it always comes back to the economy and the gold. If people cared about the economy at all there wouldnt be any kamisumas or fellows. People just want the gold thats all it is.
Someone has already pointed the SES break out to you in a previous post
tyeme.png
THIS shouldn't have happened.

Shouldnt of happned got it. HOW does it break the game? Where was this explained ive missed it in this [filtered] storm of a thread.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Catfeine wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

SO how did the SES break the game? Everybody sites this but it always comes back to the economy and the gold. If people cared about the economy at all there wouldnt be any kamisumas or fellows. People just want the gold thats all it is.
Someone has already pointed the SES break out to you in a previous post
tyeme.png
THIS shouldn't have happened.

Shouldnt of happned got it. HOW does it break the game?

Players that abused the SES bug plus players that suddenly got 30m+ gold.
Shouldn't be so difficult to figure it out.
TERA PC - General Discussion#139 Melyodis04/10/2019, 05:43 PM
Real game freak type thing. Taking time off your job for a game that's on it death bed wth.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Catfeine wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

SO how did the SES break the game? Everybody sites this but it always comes back to the economy and the gold. If people cared about the economy at all there wouldnt be any kamisumas or fellows. People just want the gold thats all it is.
Someone has already pointed the SES break out to you in a previous post
tyeme.png
THIS shouldn't have happened.

Shouldnt of happned got it. HOW does it break the game?

"because it's a free market so those mats that are consumed will be traded (at a competitive price due to trade broker listing fee, i.e. no stupid prices that won't sell) and most of the gold will go to one person that then buys other stuff from other people putting gold into other players hands and this cycle will continue until the economy reaches a balanced point" (but forum brainlets won't understand that this means it won't break the economy)
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Catfeine wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

SO how did the SES break the game? Everybody sites this but it always comes back to the economy and the gold. If people cared about the economy at all there wouldnt be any kamisumas or fellows. People just want the gold thats all it is.
Someone has already pointed the SES break out to you in a previous post
tyeme.png
THIS shouldn't have happened.

Shouldnt of happned got it. HOW does it break the game?

Players that abused the SES bug plus players that suddenly got 30m+ gold.
Shouldn't be so difficult to figure it out.

SES bug introducing untradeable mats and infusing the game with talents everybody has been crying about there being a lack of does not break the game. The gold? Prices steadily on a creep up anyways. 1 mill gold for a dragon mount tell me how this effects new players in a positive way the way the prices were?
I swear to god the Beta Version of this game that I tested is still by far superior than the [filtered] we have now. Not everyone exploited the patch but we're all forced to suffer regardless. At this point, it's not even about the rollback or the exploits. It's about how EME and BHS consistently make such simple ports of the game turn into something convoluted and confusing. I've never once seen a good patch note drop before a patch. I've never seen them hit a PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED ETA for a huge update. Even when they do meet eta's they still leave the game a little more broken than the patch that was the predecessor. What is the point of giving a patch announcement when all you do is hide information until AFTER the patch? It makes no sense. They have twitter, their forums, their own website, and even discord. yet they still do not utilize these things properly and communicate with us. Player council? they have no more say than the rest of us. It's a complete sham. There' is no transparency with EME or BHS. It's ridiculous. Everyone gets shafted left and right consistently. @CornishRex
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
(but forum brainlets won't understand that this means it won't break the economy)

ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED to a MUCH more healthy place and given new players good income by doing stuff that isnt running top tier dungeons if you all gave it time.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
(but forum brainlets won't understand that this means it won't break the economy)

This is very concerning... I JUST came back after not playing for a very long time and my first character I made is already getting a rollback? I've been able to play maybe 20 mins today and it's all rolled back? lol
TERA PC - General Discussion#147 Melyodis04/10/2019, 05:49 PM
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Catfeine wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

SO how did the SES break the game? Everybody sites this but it always comes back to the economy and the gold. If people cared about the economy at all there wouldnt be any kamisumas or fellows. People just want the gold thats all it is.
Someone has already pointed the SES break out to you in a previous post
tyeme.png
THIS shouldn't have happened.

Shouldnt of happned got it. HOW does it break the game?

Players that abused the SES bug plus players that suddenly got 30m+ gold.
Shouldn't be so difficult to figure it out.

SES bug introducing untradeable mats and infusing the game with talents everybody has been crying about there being a lack of does not break the game. The gold? Prices steadily on a creep up anyways. 1 mill gold for a dragon mount tell me how this effects new players in a positive way the way the prices were?

Stop going back front with ignorant people simple as that. This guy does not understand the real issue, so leave him in his ignorance the rollback is happen and no amounts of bad talk will stop it.
Melyodis wrote: »
Stop going back front with ignorant people simple as that. This guy does not understand the real issue, so leave him in his ignorance the rollback is happen and no amounts of bad talk will stop it.

Break it down for me Senpia as you see it because im putting you in the salty i didnt get rich category till then

TERA PC - General Discussion#149 NerdFury04/10/2019, 05:51 PM
NerdFury wrote: »
My time is more important than the game economy.
Also this rollback could have been done instantly, the moment they hotfixed the ses issue, it should have been done.

Now I lose my valuable time because eme was lazy? People have every right to be upset.

Enmasse doesn't own they game. Just the rights to publish it. I imagine any changes made had to be discussed over with Bluehole first, including possible fixes to the problem. This statement you made here only makes you sound egocentric...

Yeah you have no clue at all.
They hotfixed the ses problem quickly, they could have rolled back if they wanted to.
They do not need to consult BHS for that.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED if you all gave it time.

Nice.
What is the actual value of the gold you made?

How much time would it take to stabilize?
Active veteran players got 10-30m+ on reset scrolls alone.
@TailofHarts
Yep. The best part is, eme is a subsidiary to bhs. They should be the region that's thriving and doing better than other regions due to y'know having better access and communication with bhs. But nope. Here we are, with a patch that's two weeks later than EU's, patch notes that can't even rival theirs, reset scrolls that were allegedly adjusted for NA's economy *cough*notheyweren't*cough* and all other things that got messed up, that somehow other regions didn't mess up. EME sure is getting special treatment, and that treatment is neglect.
This rollback should be a wake-up call to start testing patches more thoroughly but eh. Ehhh.
TERA PC - General Discussion#152 Melyodis04/10/2019, 05:52 PM
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED to a MUCH more healthy place and given new players good income by doing stuff that isnt running top tier dungeons if you all gave it time.

NA player base is to greedy, the economy would have never stabilized.
TERA PC - General Discussion#153 xIopen3r04/10/2019, 05:53 PM
HOLY [filtered]. I AGREE. ROLLBACK.
[filtered] IS [filtered]. How can anyone new or just late to the party recover
Also wth is this exp boost only for end gamers for the "trouble" ... my 20 mins wasted wasn't "trouble" for me? lol Seriously
TERA PC - General Discussion#155 reezz04/10/2019, 05:55 PM
good they made a rollback i had stacks of sms scrolls that did not use on the glith yes sold my resets scolls that i had for years. made some gold but didnt went buying crap in the broker to resell stuff that was under mil and post them for 6-8mils. not the frist game they do rollbacks i have play others games over the years seen them close up after the economy gose to hell
CornishRex wrote: »
@TailofHarts
Yep. The best part is, eme is a subsidiary to bhs. They should be the region that's thriving and doing better than other regions due to y'know having better access and communication with bhs. But nope. Here we are, with a patch that's two weeks later than EU's, patch notes that can't even rival theirs, reset scrolls that were allegedly adjusted for NA's economy *cough*notheyweren't*cough* and all other things that got messed up, that somehow other regions didn't mess up. EME sure is getting special treatment, and that treatment is neglect.
This rollback should be a wake-up call to start testing patches more thoroughly but eh. Ehhh.

Even if they test patches thoroughly they couldn't have planned for NA greed. I mean seriously, golden talents at 3k per talent? Some items seemed to still be reasonably priced ( IE some of the mounts and costumes and loot box's) but i saw people jacking the prices up so severely that no one besides people who hoarded their scrolls could afford. This certainly did not happen on EU , people still ended up with millions of gold there but the economy remained unchanged. No amount of testing done would have prepped them for how NA player actually behave. It's Greed, plain and simple.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED if you all gave it time.

Nice.
What is the actual value of the gold you made?

How much time would it take to stabilize?
Active veteran players got 10-30m+ on reset scrolls alone.

Do the math yourself. These are items that are always in demand, and are consumed VERY rapidly. Meaning they disappear. 100k is 1% of 10 million. Meaning for just ~1-2 hours a day, for 100 days, you too could make 10 million being a brand new player. i.e. the economy would have stabilized within 3 months. Gold would have left those greedy veteran hands that had 3 months of zeta/eta reset scrolls (they were added january 2019, fyi, and were the only big source of gold from reset scrolls)
Melyodis wrote: »
NA player base is to greedy, the economy would have never stabilized.

So
Melyodis wrote: »
Real game freak type thing. Taking time off your job for a game that's on it death bed wth. I'll be so glad if all the toxic vets leave and even the ones that only play, to find bugs to exploit lol.

This is who you are. The vets went MEH and continued to grind like they always do. Judging this person for taking time off, wow guy your in your own league of head up [filtered] do you work for bluehole?
TERA PC - General Discussion#159 Melyodis04/10/2019, 05:59 PM
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
Stop going back front with ignorant people simple as that. This guy does not understand the real issue, so leave him in his ignorance the rollback is happen and no amounts of bad talk will stop it.

Break it down for me Senpia as you see it because im putting you in the salty i didnt get rich category till then

I don't need to prove anything to you i've been playing for 3 years non stop with elite for 2 years i'm now a casual player afking most of time. I did made some mils too you point is what exactly. Thing is i'm not greedy like you and it was broken down for you by so much people and you still didn't get it. What more can i say to you?
CornishRex wrote: »
@TailofHarts
Yep. The best part is, eme is a subsidiary to bhs. They should be the region that's thriving and doing better than other regions due to y'know having better access and communication with bhs. But nope. Here we are, with a patch that's two weeks later than EU's, patch notes that can't even rival theirs, reset scrolls that were allegedly adjusted for NA's economy *cough*notheyweren't*cough* and all other things that got messed up, that somehow other regions didn't mess up. EME sure is getting special treatment, and that treatment is neglect.
This rollback should be a wake-up call to start testing patches more thoroughly but eh. Ehhh.

Even if they test patches thoroughly they couldn't have planned for NA greed. I mean seriously, golden talents at 3k per talent? Some items seemed to still be reasonably priced ( IE some of the mounts and costumes and loot box's) but i saw people jacking the prices up so severely that no one besides people who hoarded their scrolls could afford. This certainly did not happen on EU , people still ended up with millions of gold there but the economy remained unchanged. No amount of testing done would have prepped them for how NA player actually behave. It's Greed, plain and simple.

3k per talent. Ask yourself who introduces the most talents into the game. People farming IoD. Who farms IoD. New players. That price wouldn't have even stayed btw, by the time I checked broker golden talents were at ~100g. It would have stabilized.
I don't understand why we speculating on what would happen. We don't know for sure. All I've got to say, is EU got it done.
The way I look at it, prices would go down eventually. You'd have people with more money to invest, more people interested in playing the game because they finally were able to afford to get a 2.0 dragon. This ain't about SES exploit. This is about people who cried because they didn't get a piece of cake. That is ALL people talked about in trade and global chat. /end rant It is pointless to try to explain.
Just keep in mind that VETS are the people who keeping this alive. New players come and go.
Melyodis wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
Stop going back front with ignorant people simple as that. This guy does not understand the real issue, so leave him in his ignorance the rollback is happen and no amounts of bad talk will stop it.

Break it down for me Senpia as you see it because im putting you in the salty i didnt get rich category till then

I don't need to prove anything to you i've been playing for 3 years non stop with elite for 2 years i'm now a casual player afking most of time. I did made some mils too you point is what exactly. Thing is i'm not greedy like you and it was broken down for you by so much people and you still didn't get it. What more can i say to you?

You dont have to explain [filtered] but calling me ignorant and not explaining why is weak sauce my dude. You missed spending the millions on the TB too didnt you?
I don't understand why we speculating on what would happen. We don't know for sure. All I've got to say, is EU got it done.
The way I look at it, prices would go down eventually. You'd have people with more money to invest, more people interested in playing the game because they finally were able to afford to get a 2.0 dragon. This ain't about SES exploit. This is about people who cried because they didn't get a piece of cake. That is ALL people talked about in trade and global chat. /end rant It is pointless to try to explain.
Just keep in mind that VETS are the people who keeping this alive. New players come and go.

My point exactly. As someone who's dropped thousands on this game and knows others who've done the same, This could not be further from the truth. Veterans are what keep this game alive.
TERA PC - General Discussion#164 wokthefok04/10/2019, 06:03 PM
this was said yesterday in eme discord btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221038275194912772/565342590233346067/unknown.png
CornishRex wrote: »
@TailofHarts
Yep. The best part is, eme is a subsidiary to bhs. They should be the region that's thriving and doing better than other regions due to y'know having better access and communication with bhs. But nope. Here we are, with a patch that's two weeks later than EU's, patch notes that can't even rival theirs, reset scrolls that were allegedly adjusted for NA's economy *cough*notheyweren't*cough* and all other things that got messed up, that somehow other regions didn't mess up. EME sure is getting special treatment, and that treatment is neglect.
This rollback should be a wake-up call to start testing patches more thoroughly but eh. Ehhh.

Even if they test patches thoroughly they couldn't have planned for NA greed. I mean seriously, golden talents at 3k per talent? Some items seemed to still be reasonably priced ( IE some of the mounts and costumes and loot box's) but i saw people jacking the prices up so severely that no one besides people who hoarded their scrolls could afford. This certainly did not happen on EU , people still ended up with millions of gold there but the economy remained unchanged. No amount of testing done would have prepped them for how NA player actually behave. It's Greed, plain and simple.

It didn't happen to EU because EU players had no reset scrolls to sell. Reset scrolls are only obtainable through the vg shop and most people spend their vg points on crafters cures on EU so nobody had huge stacks. Also their reset scroll prices got halved so there's that.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED if you all gave it time.

Nice.
What is the actual value of the gold you made?

How much time would it take to stabilize?
Active veteran players got 10-30m+ on reset scrolls alone.

Do the math yourself. These are items that are always in demand, and are consumed VERY rapidly. Meaning they disappear. 100k is 1% of 10 million. Meaning for just ~1-2 hours a day, for 100 days, you too could make 10 million being a brand new player. i.e. the economy would have stabilized.

"The economy would have stabilized" isn't really the point at all. Of course the economy will eventually stabilize from any cataclysmic event until it reaches a new normal. The issue is: who are the winners and losers in that process, and is that fair? With a massive scale event like this, the impact isn't isolated so it's like you can just ban the "exploiters" and that's the end of it -- it completely pervades the game. The fact that eventually it'd reach equilibrium doesn't change the massive upheaval caused and the way that slants the economy in favor of the beneficiaries. The new players, the returning players, and those that didn't exploit all lose.

This whole situation was caused by human error, and the rollback provides a way to undo those errors. Unlike real world cataclysmic events and the fallout that happens, a game gives you the chance to reset. Given that opportunity, it's better to go down a more fair and equitable path, even if it means people lose up to ~16 hours of play time, rather than having the results of the grossly unfair imbalance play out over months and months until equilibrium is reached.
TERA PC - General Discussion#167 Melyodis04/10/2019, 06:05 PM
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED if you all gave it time.

Nice.
What is the actual value of the gold you made?

How much time would it take to stabilize?
Active veteran players got 10-30m+ on reset scrolls alone.

Do the math yourself. These are items that are always in demand, and are consumed VERY rapidly. Meaning they disappear. 100k is 1% of 10 million. Meaning for just ~1-2 hours a day, for 100 days, you too could make 10 million being a brand new player. i.e. the economy would have stabilized within 3 months. Gold would have left those greedy veteran hands that had 3 months of zeta/eta reset scrolls (they were added january 2019, fyi, and were the only big source of gold from reset scrolls)

Even if they were just added in January, anyone that saved up elite boxes for how many years would get them when you open the boxes just before the patch hit like I did.
I don't understand why we speculating on what would happen. We don't know for sure. All I've got to say, is EU got it done.
The way I look at it, prices would go down eventually. You'd have people with more money to invest, more people interested in playing the game because they finally were able to afford to get a 2.0 dragon. This ain't about SES exploit. This is about people who cried because they didn't get a piece of cake. That is ALL people talked about in trade and global chat. /end rant It is pointless to try to explain.
Just keep in mind that VETS are the people who keeping this alive. New players come and go.

Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.
TERA PC - General Discussion#169 Naru200804/10/2019, 06:06 PM
wokthefok wrote: »

It was Rox's opinion at the time. It wasn't an official statement, nor did he rule out completely a rollback. Politely get outta here trying to cause crap.
He said 'I' not 'we'. It was obviously his viewpoint and that was before the exploit was made known to them.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED if you all gave it time.

Nice.
What is the actual value of the gold you made?

How much time would it take to stabilize?
Active veteran players got 10-30m+ on reset scrolls alone.

Do the math yourself. These are items that are always in demand, and are consumed VERY rapidly. Meaning they disappear. 100k is 1% of 10 million. Meaning for just ~1-2 hours a day, for 100 days, you too could make 10 million being a brand new player. i.e. the economy would have stabilized.

"The economy would have stabilized" isn't really the point at all. Of course the economy will eventually stabilize from any cataclysmic event until it reaches a new normal. The issue is: who are the winners and losers in that process, and is that fair? With a massive scale event like this, the impact isn't isolated so it's like you can just ban the "exploiters" and that's the end of it -- it completely pervades the game. The fact that eventually it'd reach equilibrium doesn't change the massive upheaval caused and the way that slants the economy in favor of the beneficiaries. The new players, the returning players, and those that didn't exploit all lose.

This whole situation was caused by human error, and the rollback provides a way to undo those errors. Unlike real world cataclysmic events and the fallout that happens, a game gives you the chance to reset. Given that opportunity, it's better to go down a more fair and equitable path, even if it means people lose up to ~16 hours of play time, rather than having the results of the grossly unfair imbalance play out over months and months until equilibrium is reached.

Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED to a MUCH more healthy place and given new players good income by doing stuff that isnt running top tier dungeons if you all gave it time.

You are pleased to have sold your moongourds for a far higher price than their value I get that. But does this boon outweigh the short term effect this inflation will have? I'd personally prefer to know my items sold and not simply cause a bunch of other players got a ton of extra gold in 24 hours.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED to a MUCH more healthy place and given new players good income by doing stuff that isnt running top tier dungeons if you all gave it time.

You are pleased to have sold your moongourds for a far higher price than their value I get that. But does this boon outweigh the short term effect this inflation will have? I'd personally prefer to know my items sold and not simply cause a bunch of other players got a ton of extra gold in 24 hours.

SHORT term inflation. Key point here ladies and gents
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED if you all gave it time.

Nice.
What is the actual value of the gold you made?

How much time would it take to stabilize?
Active veteran players got 10-30m+ on reset scrolls alone.

Do the math yourself. These are items that are always in demand, and are consumed VERY rapidly. Meaning they disappear. 100k is 1% of 10 million. Meaning for just ~1-2 hours a day, for 100 days, you too could make 10 million being a brand new player. i.e. the economy would have stabilized within 3 months. Gold would have left those greedy veteran hands that had 3 months of zeta/eta reset scrolls (they were added january 2019, fyi, and were the only big source of gold from reset scrolls)

Perhaps you forgot to count the new price of PP potions?
Not to mention elite? (assuming gold purchase).
TERA PC - General Discussion#174 sanj6604/10/2019, 06:10 PM
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED if you all gave it time.

Nice.
What is the actual value of the gold you made?

How much time would it take to stabilize?
Active veteran players got 10-30m+ on reset scrolls alone.

Do the math yourself. These are items that are always in demand, and are consumed VERY rapidly. Meaning they disappear. 100k is 1% of 10 million. Meaning for just ~1-2 hours a day, for 100 days, you too could make 10 million being a brand new player. i.e. the economy would have stabilized.

"The economy would have stabilized" isn't really the point at all. Of course the economy will eventually stabilize from any cataclysmic event until it reaches a new normal. The issue is: who are the winners and losers in that process, and is that fair? With a massive scale event like this, the impact isn't isolated so it's like you can just ban the "exploiters" and that's the end of it -- it completely pervades the game. The fact that eventually it'd reach equilibrium doesn't change the massive upheaval caused and the way that slants the economy in favor of the beneficiaries. The new players, the returning players, and those that didn't exploit all lose.

This whole situation was caused by human error, and the rollback provides a way to undo those errors. Unlike real world cataclysmic events and the fallout that happens, a game gives you the chance to reset. Given that opportunity, it's better to go down a more fair and equitable path, even if it means people lose up to ~16 hours of play time, rather than having the results of the grossly unfair imbalance play out over months and months until equilibrium is reached.

even if it means screwing the people that kept/keep the game alive by spending and playing over? how is that fair for people who got dungeon drops, enchanted or grinded levels?
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
ALSO of note, this "inflation" makes it MUCH easier for a new player to make money. I got bored and was looking through my bank, I had like 400 moongourds that I spent maybe an HOUR gathering when I was bored a few weeks ago and sold them for ~100k. Easy money for new players through gathering!
I sold a few stacks of 100 lein's dark rootbeer for ~50k each. Easy money for new players! Makes crafting worthwhile!

The economy would have STABILIZED to a MUCH more healthy place and given new players good income by doing stuff that isnt running top tier dungeons if you all gave it time.

You are pleased to have sold your moongourds for a far higher price than their value I get that. But does this boon outweigh the short term effect this inflation will have? I'd personally prefer to know my items sold and not simply cause a bunch of other players got a ton of extra gold in 24 hours.

What part of that says I'm pleased? The gold doesn't matter to me, I'm just showing you a small example of how the economy would have worked to stabilize. What matters to me is my *time*.
Does this mean all the quests I did for the last 10 hours are gonna be reset?
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

5 years of elite equal to $900 into the game. 5 years of logging in everyday and playing the game.
Yet the guys that never paid for elite or played this game for long enough to even understand any of the mechanics of the dungeons are crying about "vets got bunch of gold". You know what? Vets did deserve this. Why shouldn't people who played this game for so long and spend real money on it not be rewarded for it?
Melyodis wrote: »
NA player base is to greedy, the economy would have never stabilized.

THIS is the reason there is a rollback because the greedy peeps didnt get to cash in also, lol.
Lilienette wrote: »
Does this mean all the quests I did for the last 10 hours are gonna be reset?

Yes, all your time the past 24+ hours was wasted. We'll be going back to a snapshot of 4/8. :smile:
TERA PC - General Discussion#180 Naru200804/10/2019, 06:13 PM
Lilienette wrote: »
Does this mean all the quests I did for the last 10 hours are gonna be reset?

Correct. It'll be like the patch just released today.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Lilienette wrote: »
Does this mean all the quests I did for the last 10 hours are gonna be reset?

Yes, all your time the past 24+ hours was wasted. We'll be going back to a snapshot of 4/8. :smile:

4/9
TERA PC - General Discussion#182 sanj6604/10/2019, 06:15 PM
Lilienette wrote: »
Does this mean all the quests I did for the last 10 hours are gonna be reset?

quests, trades, enchanting, dungeon drops, ep/exp farm everything done goes back to how it was prior to yesteday mainty.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Lilienette wrote: »
Does this mean all the quests I did for the last 10 hours are gonna be reset?

Yes, all your time the past 24+ hours was wasted. We'll be going back to a snapshot of 4/8. :smile:

4/9

Tera was down for most of 4/9 so it's essentially 4/8 as very little can even be done the morning before maintenance due to low player population. :)
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.
TERA PC - General Discussion#185 MrTubby04/10/2019, 06:16 PM
Hi guys, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and i approve of this rollback! Next week we should put in participation rewards for everyone who just cant get through a dungeon but tried their best! Don't forget we only have 12 years left on this planet so we should just give free stuff to everyone!
mrtubby, the heck are you on about?
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

What economic exploits my dude? SES to golden talents that people have been complaining they need to introduce more into the game OR the GOLD? I finally got paid then capitalized on all the time and money for elite ive spent in the game. The deal with the rollback im sure is the greed of the people that missed out.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Lilienette wrote: »
Does this mean all the quests I did for the last 10 hours are gonna be reset?

Yes, all your time the past 24+ hours was wasted. We'll be going back to a snapshot of 4/8. :smile:

4/9

Tera was down for most of 4/9 so it's essentially 4/8 as very little can even be done the morning before maintenance due to low player population. :)

Yes, it was down most of the day. It's already said that everything will be reset to right before maint started on 4/9.
Im reading these comments and holy [filtered] there are so many greedy people here and so many mad nerds that they lost their "progress" in the past 16 hours.
How selfish can you be to be crying over your 1 [filtered] level up you got when the entire game broke , when a [filtered] group of people bought the ENTIRE Trade broker and put the prices higher, THEN ANOTHER group did the same and it went over.
Now many of you mad uneducated fuckign retards ask how this affected the game in a bad way, did any of you crying plebs even checked the TB today? Talents were few times higher than normal , darics were the same , EVERYTHING was more expencive, even glasses i had for sale were bought and put on the market for [filtered] 200k gold when i sold them for 30.
Why this happened? (you wont ask because you are obviously braindead) It happened because someone made [filtered] 150 millions gold out of nothing and could literally dictate how you play the game.
stop crying your [filtered] asses off over your "lost" progress in 1 level when the [filtered] patch isnt even intended so you reach 5 lvls in 2 days. Also if you managed to reach 1 lvl in 1 day , congrats you gonna do it again because you obviously have nothing else to do than grind 15 hours a day, while the rest of the playerbase cant play that much even if we wanted to.
So yeah if 10% of the playerbase is "hurt" about the [filtered] exp lost or even the quests ( LIKE SOMEONE IS FORCING YOU TO DO QUESTS OR LEVEL UP, ITS A [filtered] GAME DO WHAT YOU WANT) it will be FOREVER better than the game being broken as [filtered] and probably 100 players on server dictating how the game goes because they simply can with the amount of gold they got from nothing.
So shut your crying asses and be happy this is getting done.
Yes its a bit late for a rollback but holy [filtered] was i happy when i got dced while playing because i didnt know its happening, if your tiny brains with 4 braincells cant understand what the [filtered] just happened with the last patch now , you would have understood in the future probably and left the game instantly altho by that time it would have been 100 people playing it anyways.
I cant express how pissed off i get from reading these selfish [filtered] fuckign comments crying over everything.
You got 20% exp boost as compensation? be [filtered] gratefull about it its better than what happened, EVERYTHING is better than what happened.
But ofcourse im gonna get flamed now by the "elitists" after i post this with your shittalk like "i paid 10000000$ to this game bla bla bla bal bla" , let me tell you something pal, NOBODY GIVES A [filtered] NOBODY ASKED YOU DO TO IT NOBODY FORCED U TO DO IT. So shut the [filtered] up and play if you wanna play.


EDIT:
Would you look at that?

As additional compensation:
From the end of maintenance to Monday, April 15th @ 4am PDT, logging in will gain you 5 days of elite status time. If you already have elite status, this will be added on to that existing Elite status time.

As well, purchases that were claimed from the item claim during the period between the ending of the 4/9 maintenance and the beginning of today's maintenance, those purchases will be re-added to your item claim so that there are no lost items.

Let me hear your [filtered] cries about YOU not getting FREE stuff after the FREE stuff you got is removed ?
How long does it take to do a rollback?
TERA PC - General Discussion#191 Naru200804/10/2019, 06:21 PM
-snip-

This isn't exactly constructive. If you want to be taken serious, I'd advise re-doing your whole post. You sound exactly what you're calling out in your post, not gonna lie OP.
TERA PC - General Discussion#192 Naru200804/10/2019, 06:22 PM
How long does it take to do a rollback?

It's unknown how long it will take for them to rollback the server. They'll give an ETA when they get one. (hopefully.)
Im reading these comments and holy [filtered] there are so many greedy people here and so many mad nerds that they lost their "progress" in the past 16 hours.
How selfish can you be to be crying over your 1 [filtered] level up you got when the entire game broke , when a [filtered] group of people bought the ENTIRE Trade broker and put the prices higher, THEN ANOTHER group did the same and it went over.
Now many of you mad uneducated fuckign retards ask how this affected the game in a bad way, did any of you crying plebs even checked the TB today? Talents were few times higher than normal , darics were the same , EVERYTHING was more expencive, even glasses i had for sale were bought and put on the market for [filtered] 200k gold when i sold them for 30.
Why this happened? (you wont ask because you are obviously braindead) It happened because someone made [filtered] 150 millions gold out of nothing and could literally dictate how you play the game.
stop crying your [filtered] asses off over your "lost" progress in 1 level when the [filtered] patch isnt even intended so you reach 5 lvls in 2 days. Also if you managed to reach 1 lvl in 1 day , congrats you gonna do it again because you obviously have nothing else to do than grind 15 hours a day, while the rest of the playerbase cant play that much even if we wanted to.
So yeah if 10% of the playerbase is "hurt" about the [filtered] exp lost or even the quests ( LIKE SOMEONE IS FORCING YOU TO DO QUESTS OR LEVEL UP, ITS A [filtered] GAME DO WHAT YOU WANT) it will be FOREVER better than the game being broken as [filtered] and probably 100 players on server dictating how the game goes because they simply can with the amount of gold they got from nothing.
So shut your crying asses and be happy this is getting done.
Yes its a bit late for a rollback but holy [filtered] was i happy when i got dced while playing because i didnt know its happening, if your tiny brains with 4 braincells cant understand what the [filtered] just happened with the last patch now , you would have understood in the future probably and left the game instantly altho by that time it would have been 100 people playing it anyways.
I cant express how pissed off i get from reading these selfish [filtered] fuckign comments crying over everything.
You got 20% exp boost as compensation? be [filtered] gratefull about it its better than what happened, EVERYTHING is better than what happened.
But ofcourse im gonna get flamed now by the "elitists" after i post this with your shittalk like "i paid 10000000$ to this game bla bla bla bal bla" , let me tell you something pal, NOBODY GIVES A [filtered] NOBODY ASKED YOU DO TO IT NOBODY FORCED U TO DO IT. So shut the [filtered] up and play if you wanna play.


EDIT: Would you look at that?
As additional compensation:
From the end of maintenance to Monday, April 15th @ 4am PDT, logging in will gain you 5 days of elite status time. If you already have elite status, this will be added on to that existing Elite status time.

As well, purchases that were claimed from the item claim during the period between the ending of the 4/9 maintenance and the beginning of today's maintenance, those purchases will be re-added to your item claim so that there are no lost items.

Let me hear your [filtered] cries about YOU not getting FREE stuff after the FREE stuff you got is removed ?

wow you took all that time and pissed off a bunch of people to say that its all about gold. LOL
Im reading these comments and holy [filtered] there are so many greedy people here and so many mad nerds that they lost their "progress" in the past 16 hours.
How selfish can you be to be crying over your 1 [filtered] level up you got when the entire game broke , when a [filtered] group of people bought the ENTIRE Trade broker and put the prices higher, THEN ANOTHER group did the same and it went over.
Now many of you mad uneducated fuckign retards ask how this affected the game in a bad way, did any of you crying plebs even checked the TB today? Talents were few times higher than normal , darics were the same , EVERYTHING was more expencive, even glasses i had for sale were bought and put on the market for [filtered] 200k gold when i sold them for 30.
Why this happened? (you wont ask because you are obviously braindead) It happened because someone made [filtered] 150 millions gold out of nothing and could literally dictate how you play the game.
stop crying your [filtered] asses off over your "lost" progress in 1 level when the [filtered] patch isnt even intended so you reach 5 lvls in 2 days. Also if you managed to reach 1 lvl in 1 day , congrats you gonna do it again because you obviously have nothing else to do than grind 15 hours a day, while the rest of the playerbase cant play that much even if we wanted to.
So yeah if 10% of the playerbase is "hurt" about the [filtered] exp lost or even the quests ( LIKE SOMEONE IS FORCING YOU TO DO QUESTS OR LEVEL UP, ITS A [filtered] GAME DO WHAT YOU WANT) it will be FOREVER better than the game being broken as [filtered] and probably 100 players on server dictating how the game goes because they simply can with the amount of gold they got from nothing.
So shut your crying asses and be happy this is getting done.
Yes its a bit late for a rollback but holy [filtered] was i happy when i got dced while playing because i didnt know its happening, if your tiny brains with 4 braincells cant understand what the [filtered] just happened with the last patch now , you would have understood in the future probably and left the game instantly altho by that time it would have been 100 people playing it anyways.
I cant express how pissed off i get from reading these selfish [filtered] fuckign comments crying over everything.
You got 20% exp boost as compensation? be [filtered] gratefull about it its better than what happened, EVERYTHING is better than what happened.
But ofcourse im gonna get flamed now by the "elitists" after i post this with your shittalk like "i paid 10000000$ to this game bla bla bla bal bla" , let me tell you something pal, NOBODY GIVES A [filtered] NOBODY ASKED YOU DO TO IT NOBODY FORCED U TO DO IT. So shut the [filtered] up and play if you wanna play.


EDIT: Would you look at that?
As additional compensation:
From the end of maintenance to Monday, April 15th @ 4am PDT, logging in will gain you 5 days of elite status time. If you already have elite status, this will be added on to that existing Elite status time.

As well, purchases that were claimed from the item claim during the period between the ending of the 4/9 maintenance and the beginning of today's maintenance, those purchases will be re-added to your item claim so that there are no lost items.

Let me hear your [filtered] cries about YOU not getting FREE stuff after the FREE stuff you got is removed ?

wow you took all that time and pissed off a bunch of people to say that its all about gold. LOL
TERA PC - General Discussion#195 sanj6604/10/2019, 06:26 PM
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

not of people quit over the continued incompetence and issues, do you think people who legit grinded are happy and want to regrind? and lets be real the people who actually play the game, from even back then value the time they spent yesterday over the nostalgia of the past my dude.
TERA PC - General Discussion#196 Melyodis04/10/2019, 06:27 PM
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
NA player base is to greedy, the economy would have never stabilized.

THIS is the reason there is a rollback because the greedy peeps didnt get to cash in also, lol.

And your still here missing the point is not about the gold dude. You got gold free for hoarding some scroll and yet still listing items for far more that its worth and what about the ses exploit. I saw the rollback was asked for after the ses expoilt was leaked, cause those who found it refrained from reporting it that's just greed of its self. No honesty or morals. None of this happend on EU why? they not greedy like us.

Your done rich and still want to be more rich. why didn't golden talents raise to 90g to cover the 2%, or the golden plates that i saw for 3k per plates raise to 700g and what about the other items costumes ect that went sky high. The issue is greed its not about the gold we all got from the reset scrolls.
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Naru2008 wrote: »
How long does it take to do a rollback?

It's unknown how long it will take for them to rollback the server. They'll give an ETA when they get one. (hopefully.)

Mockery:
EME 1 - "It's been 3 days and we lost both the live data and backup!"
EME 2 - "Hurry, call BHS!"
BHS -
this-is-fine.0.jpg
*Chuckle*
TERA PC - General Discussion#198 Naru200804/10/2019, 06:28 PM
sanj66 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

not of people quit over the continued incompetence and issues, do you think people who legit grinded are happy and want to regrind? and lets be real the people who actually play the game, from even back then value the time they spent yesterday over the nostalgia of the past my dude.

If you wanna be real, let's be real. The game is still heavily populated at times after everyone has screamed 'I'M QUITTING AND NEVER COMING BACK.' Honestly, 'quitting' has become more of a meme than anything else around here.
TERA PC - General Discussion#199 Naru200804/10/2019, 06:29 PM
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Naru2008 wrote: »
How long does it take to do a rollback?

It's unknown how long it will take for them to rollback the server. They'll give an ETA when they get one. (hopefully.)

Mockery:
EME 1 - "It's been 3 days and we lost both the live data and backup!"
EME 2 - "Hurry, call BHS!"
BHS -
this-is-fine.0.jpg
*Chuckle*

Margaret, darling. Long-time-no-see. ♥
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

What economic exploits my dude? SES to golden talents that people have been complaining they need to introduce more into the game OR the GOLD? I finally got paid then capitalized on all the time and money for elite ive spent in the game. The deal with the rollback im sure is the greed of the people that missed out.

I have a hard time believing that you're arguing in good faith, so I'm not going to keep repeating myself after this. When people exploit the economy for selfish gain, the entire game loses. The people who exploited got an advantage they did not deserve at all. That includes you. You did not deserve to "get paid" for "all the time and money for elite" more than anyone else who paid the same thing, just because you opened your Elite Consumable Boxes before the patch and others who weren't aware did not. This is blatantly and obvious unfair. If this was an award given to all Elite players globally as a thanks for their loyalty and all paying subscribers could benefit, great. (I'm in generally favor of loyalty rewards for long-time Elite subscribers, by the way.) But that's not what this was.

You're accusing people arguing out of self-interest, but you're just projecting your own reasons for the argument into the debate. Fairness is a principle that has nothing to do with whether you personally won or lost in the deal.
TERA PC - General Discussion#201 sanj6604/10/2019, 06:31 PM
Im reading these comments and holy [filtered] there are so many greedy people here and so many mad nerds that they lost their "progress" in the past 16 hours.
How selfish can you be to be crying over your 1 [filtered] level up you got when the entire game broke , when a [filtered] group of people bought the ENTIRE Trade broker and put the prices higher, THEN ANOTHER group did the same and it went over.
Now many of you mad uneducated fuckign retards ask how this affected the game in a bad way, did any of you crying plebs even checked the TB today? Talents were few times higher than normal , darics were the same , EVERYTHING was more expencive, even glasses i had for sale were bought and put on the market for [filtered] 200k gold when i sold them for 30.
Why this happened? (you wont ask because you are obviously braindead) It happened because someone made [filtered] 150 millions gold out of nothing and could literally dictate how you play the game.
stop crying your [filtered] asses off over your "lost" progress in 1 level when the [filtered] patch isnt even intended so you reach 5 lvls in 2 days. Also if you managed to reach 1 lvl in 1 day , congrats you gonna do it again because you obviously have nothing else to do than grind 15 hours a day, while the rest of the playerbase cant play that much even if we wanted to.
So yeah if 10% of the playerbase is "hurt" about the [filtered] exp lost or even the quests ( LIKE SOMEONE IS FORCING YOU TO DO QUESTS OR LEVEL UP, ITS A [filtered] GAME DO WHAT YOU WANT) it will be FOREVER better than the game being broken as [filtered] and probably 100 players on server dictating how the game goes because they simply can with the amount of gold they got from nothing.
So shut your crying asses and be happy this is getting done.
Yes its a bit late for a rollback but holy [filtered] was i happy when i got dced while playing because i didnt know its happening, if your tiny brains with 4 braincells cant understand what the [filtered] just happened with the last patch now , you would have understood in the future probably and left the game instantly altho by that time it would have been 100 people playing it anyways.
I cant express how pissed off i get from reading these selfish [filtered] fuckign comments crying over everything.
You got 20% exp boost as compensation? be [filtered] gratefull about it its better than what happened, EVERYTHING is better than what happened.
But ofcourse im gonna get flamed now by the "elitists" after i post this with your shittalk like "i paid 10000000$ to this game bla bla bla bal bla" , let me tell you something pal, NOBODY GIVES A [filtered] NOBODY ASKED YOU DO TO IT NOBODY FORCED U TO DO IT. So shut the [filtered] up and play if you wanna play.


EDIT:
Would you look at that?

As additional compensation:
From the end of maintenance to Monday, April 15th @ 4am PDT, logging in will gain you 5 days of elite status time. If you already have elite status, this will be added on to that existing Elite status time.

As well, purchases that were claimed from the item claim during the period between the ending of the 4/9 maintenance and the beginning of today's maintenance, those purchases will be re-added to your item claim so that there are no lost items.

Let me hear your [filtered] cries about YOU not getting FREE stuff after the FREE stuff you got is removed ?

that compensation amounts to nothing lol, 20% exp for 24 hours, 5 days elite and your going to get back your purchses. lets see 20% exp does not equate to the time or effort spent to level yesterday, legit leveling. getting back purchases doest equate to if you made the purchases yeterday and got a rare item, cuz guess what you're gonna get back a loot box and not the item. 5 days elite whats the point if you pissed people off to the point they dont care to bother with your title anymore? you jsut seem salty over not making gold yesterday, i didnt part take of the leveling bug or talent bug, i grinded legit and guess what me and my guildmates get a big f u as does the majority of the actual endgame players. if you're gonna talk about the gold there is nothing on the broker you NEED, there are items you CHOOSE to buy or WANT, you can literally farm everything you need to enchant etc and you can make gold easier as a new player to enchant by selling less of your talents to make gold to enchant so where was the issue and how does this adversely affect new palyers?
Im reading these comments and holy [filtered] there are so many greedy people here and so many mad nerds that they lost their "progress" in the past 16 hours.
How selfish can you be to be crying over your 1 [filtered] level up you got when the entire game broke , when a [filtered] group of people bought the ENTIRE Trade broker and put the prices higher, THEN ANOTHER group did the same and it went over.
Now many of you mad uneducated fuckign retards ask how this affected the game in a bad way, did any of you crying plebs even checked the TB today? Talents were few times higher than normal , darics were the same , EVERYTHING was more expencive, even glasses i had for sale were bought and put on the market for [filtered] 200k gold when i sold them for 30.
Why this happened? (you wont ask because you are obviously braindead) It happened because someone made [filtered] 150 millions gold out of nothing and could literally dictate how you play the game.
stop crying your [filtered] asses off over your "lost" progress in 1 level when the [filtered] patch isnt even intended so you reach 5 lvls in 2 days. Also if you managed to reach 1 lvl in 1 day , congrats you gonna do it again because you obviously have nothing else to do than grind 15 hours a day, while the rest of the playerbase cant play that much even if we wanted to.
So yeah if 10% of the playerbase is "hurt" about the [filtered] exp lost or even the quests ( LIKE SOMEONE IS FORCING YOU TO DO QUESTS OR LEVEL UP, ITS A [filtered] GAME DO WHAT YOU WANT) it will be FOREVER better than the game being broken as [filtered] and probably 100 players on server dictating how the game goes because they simply can with the amount of gold they got from nothing.
So shut your crying asses and be happy this is getting done.
Yes its a bit late for a rollback but holy [filtered] was i happy when i got dced while playing because i didnt know its happening, if your tiny brains with 4 braincells cant understand what the [filtered] just happened with the last patch now , you would have understood in the future probably and left the game instantly altho by that time it would have been 100 people playing it anyways.
I cant express how pissed off i get from reading these selfish [filtered] fuckign comments crying over everything.
You got 20% exp boost as compensation? be [filtered] gratefull about it its better than what happened, EVERYTHING is better than what happened.
But ofcourse im gonna get flamed now by the "elitists" after i post this with your shittalk like "i paid 10000000$ to this game bla bla bla bal bla" , let me tell you something pal, NOBODY GIVES A [filtered] NOBODY ASKED YOU DO TO IT NOBODY FORCED U TO DO IT. So shut the [filtered] up and play if you wanna play.


EDIT: Would you look at that?
As additional compensation:
From the end of maintenance to Monday, April 15th @ 4am PDT, logging in will gain you 5 days of elite status time. If you already have elite status, this will be added on to that existing Elite status time.

As well, purchases that were claimed from the item claim during the period between the ending of the 4/9 maintenance and the beginning of today's maintenance, those purchases will be re-added to your item claim so that there are no lost items.

Let me hear your [filtered] cries about YOU not getting FREE stuff after the FREE stuff you got is removed ?

It seems you have very little regard for all of the comments that have been posted on this thread thus far. Instead you're choosing to act like a belligerent adolescent going through their "hormone changes." Keep going though, let out your stress. That's what we're here for isn't it? I for one didn't use any exploit. I logged on, sold my scrolls, bought what I wanted from broker and went about my day grinding. My point is, Many of us complaining aren't even the greedy ones abusing the exploits. Do you think those people would be on this thread right now still talking about this? No, they're probably rolling in their chairs laughing their asses off while everyone is discombobulated and running around without their heads.
Funny how they keep trying to put a bandaid over a gushing wound. 5 days of elite! 20% exp bonus! Woo. So wait, thats the price of people's time?
Like 5 days of elite? Elite status not even WORTH it anymore. It is such a small help for $15 that they charge it ain't even funny.
Melyodis wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
NA player base is to greedy, the economy would have never stabilized.

THIS is the reason there is a rollback because the greedy peeps didnt get to cash in also, lol.

And your still here missing the point is not about the gold dude. You got gold free for hoarding some scroll and yet still listing items for far more that its worth and what about the ses exploit. I saw the rollback was asked for after the ses expoilt was leaked, cause those who found it refrained from reporting it that's just greed of its self. No honesty or morals. None of this happend on EU why? they not greedy like us.

Your done rich and still want to be more rich. why didn't golden talents raise to 90g to cover the 2%, or the golden plates that i saw for 3k per plates raise to 700g and what about the other items costumes ect that went sky high. The issue is greed its not about the gold we all got from the reset scrolls.

SO what your saying is R O L L B A C K because were greedy?
Still no mention on how any of this broke the actual game?
Making profit in game is bad... getting a sweet deal in game is bad... getting more GOLD is worthy of a rollback?
You think the price of a golden talents/plates would of remained that high with the SES glitch feeding literally millions of them back into the game?
So pretty much ROLLBACK because of GOLD it seems.
Melyodis wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
NA player base is to greedy, the economy would have never stabilized.

THIS is the reason there is a rollback because the greedy peeps didnt get to cash in also, lol.

And your still here missing the point is not about the gold dude. You got gold free for hoarding some scroll and yet still listing items for far more that its worth and what about the ses exploit. I saw the rollback was asked for after the ses expoilt was leaked, cause those who found it refrained from reporting it that's just greed of its self. No honesty or morals. None of this happend on EU why? they not greedy like us.

Your done rich and still want to be more rich. why didn't golden talents raise to 90g to cover the 2%, or the golden plates that i saw for 3k per plates raise to 700g and what about the other items costumes ect that went sky high. The issue is greed its not about the gold we all got from the reset scrolls.

You fail to understand the concept of a free market. An item is worth what someone will pay for it. The seller has to pay a listing fee regardless, so they will lose money if they post for a price people will not buy at.
Not only rich people sell.
Poor people and new players have an opportunity to sell stuff too, at increased prices, see my prior posts.
The market wasn't "ruined" due to the short term inflation. Infact, it gave poor people a very great opportunity (read up on the greater fool theory) to sell some very easy to get stuff at a nice price and level out the gold and reach an equilibrium.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
@TailofHarts
Yep. The best part is, eme is a subsidiary to bhs. They should be the region that's thriving and doing better than other regions due to y'know having better access and communication with bhs. But nope. Here we are, with a patch that's two weeks later than EU's, patch notes that can't even rival theirs, reset scrolls that were allegedly adjusted for NA's economy *cough*notheyweren't*cough* and all other things that got messed up, that somehow other regions didn't mess up. EME sure is getting special treatment, and that treatment is neglect.
This rollback should be a wake-up call to start testing patches more thoroughly but eh. Ehhh.

Even if they test patches thoroughly they couldn't have planned for NA greed. I mean seriously, golden talents at 3k per talent? Some items seemed to still be reasonably priced ( IE some of the mounts and costumes and loot box's) but i saw people jacking the prices up so severely that no one besides people who hoarded their scrolls could afford. This certainly did not happen on EU , people still ended up with millions of gold there but the economy remained unchanged. No amount of testing done would have prepped them for how NA player actually behave. It's Greed, plain and simple.

3k per talent. Ask yourself who introduces the most talents into the game. People farming IoD. Who farms IoD. New players. That price wouldn't have even stayed btw, by the time I checked broker golden talents were at ~100g. It would have stabilized.

Actually, those golden talents were there from people exploiting and once busted the talents went back down in price. Also wrong on that new player theory. 90% of the people I see on IOD are in Stormcry and even HO so tell me how exactly those people are new players. The reality is, NA= Greedy AF. EU Talents are 16 gold lol but NA oh boy NA is just a greed factory.
It was definitely needed to do a rollback and fix such a big mess but what i do not understand is this:

Free instance reset scrolls obtained from the Elite consumables box will have its sale price reduced drastically.

What means drastically reduced? And compared to what? Because if it is lower than what we were supposed to receive if the maintenance was not a mess only because the market received such a shock and now something must be changed drastically.. Then the players are going to be the biggest losers .. And only because the maintenance was a mess.

I hope that we are going to get some decent prices for our region and this drastically lower will not be something miserable only because there was this shock with the market and now the prices should be drastically lowered to fix it..


One blunder after another.
Naru2008 wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

not of people quit over the continued incompetence and issues, do you think people who legit grinded are happy and want to regrind? and lets be real the people who actually play the game, from even back then value the time they spent yesterday over the nostalgia of the past my dude.

If you wanna be real, let's be real. The game is still heavily populated at times after everyone has screamed 'I'M QUITTING AND NEVER COMING BACK.' Honestly, 'quitting' has become more of a meme than anything else around here.

Heavely populated? We lose more than half the population in the last year, How can you say we are heavely populated?

At the current stage TERA is unoficially in maint mode after the amount of people who left when we had the last issue half year ago.

Funny thing is when the game had more population than ever we got events that "broke the economy" several times and the game was doing better than ever.

Now things are done "caring for that economy" and the game is going downhill.
TERA PC - General Discussion#209 sanj6604/10/2019, 06:35 PM
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

What economic exploits my dude? SES to golden talents that people have been complaining they need to introduce more into the game OR the GOLD? I finally got paid then capitalized on all the time and money for elite ive spent in the game. The deal with the rollback im sure is the greed of the people that missed out.

I have a hard time believing that you're arguing in good faith, so I'm not going to keep repeating myself after this. When people exploit the economy for selfish gain, the entire game loses. The people who exploited got an advantage they did not deserve at all. That includes you. You did not deserve to "get paid" for "all the time and money for elite" more than anyone else who paid the same thing, just because you opened your Elite Consumable Boxes before the patch and others who weren't aware did not. This is blatantly and obvious unfair. If this was an award given to all Elite players globally as a thanks for their loyalty and all paying subscribers could benefit, great. (I'm in generally favor of loyalty rewards for long-time Elite subscribers, by the way.) But that's not what this was.

You're accusing people arguing out of self-interest, but you're just projecting your own reasons for the argument into the debate. Fairness is a principle that has nothing to do with whether you personally won or lost in the deal.

where was this fairness with the token price leak? they refused to roll back then, or the broken mongo event, both issues were blatantly unfair, people abused both for selfish gain anbd got and kept an advantage they didnt deserve.
Naru2008 wrote: »
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Naru2008 wrote: »
How long does it take to do a rollback?

It's unknown how long it will take for them to rollback the server. They'll give an ETA when they get one. (hopefully.)

Mockery:
EME 1 - "It's been 3 days and we lost both the live data and backup!"
EME 2 - "Hurry, call BHS!"
BHS -
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*Chuckle*

Margaret, darling. Long-time-no-see. ♥

*Wave*
Indeed.
Hi Naru.
TERA PC - General Discussion#211 Naru200804/10/2019, 06:36 PM
EJECWCWG55 wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

not of people quit over the continued incompetence and issues, do you think people who legit grinded are happy and want to regrind? and lets be real the people who actually play the game, from even back then value the time they spent yesterday over the nostalgia of the past my dude.

If you wanna be real, let's be real. The game is still heavily populated at times after everyone has screamed 'I'M QUITTING AND NEVER COMING BACK.' Honestly, 'quitting' has become more of a meme than anything else around here.

Heavely populated? We lose more than half the population in the last year, How can you say we are heavely populated?

At the current stage TERA is unoficially in maint mode after the amount of people who left when we had the last issue half year ago.

Funny thing is when the game had more population than ever we got events that "broke the economy" several times and the game was doing better than ever.

Now things are done "caring for that economy" and the game is going downhill.

The only time anyone actually argues 'playerbase drop' is when they include it with Steam logistics, which doesn't account for even a substantial amount of players. There's been no real showing of a playerbase drop other than 'I'M QUITTING'.
It was definitely needed to do a rollback and fix such a big mess but what i do not understand is this:

Free instance reset scrolls obtained from the Elite consumables box will have its sale price reduced drastically.

What means drastically reduced? And compared to what? Because if it is lower than what we were supposed to receive if the maintenance was not a mess considering that the market received such a shock.. Then the players are going to be the biggest losers .. And only because the maintenance was a mess.

I hope that we are going to get some decent prices for our region and this drastically lower will not be something miserable only because there was this shock with the market and now the prices should be drastically lowered to fix it..

Are they actually reducing scroll prices?
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Naru2008 wrote: »
EJECWCWG55 wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

not of people quit over the continued incompetence and issues, do you think people who legit grinded are happy and want to regrind? and lets be real the people who actually play the game, from even back then value the time they spent yesterday over the nostalgia of the past my dude.

If you wanna be real, let's be real. The game is still heavily populated at times after everyone has screamed 'I'M QUITTING AND NEVER COMING BACK.' Honestly, 'quitting' has become more of a meme than anything else around here.

Heavely populated? We lose more than half the population in the last year, How can you say we are heavely populated?

At the current stage TERA is unoficially in maint mode after the amount of people who left when we had the last issue half year ago.

Funny thing is when the game had more population than ever we got events that "broke the economy" several times and the game was doing better than ever.

Now things are done "caring for that economy" and the game is going downhill.

The only time anyone actually argues 'playerbase drop' is when they include it with Steam logistics, which doesn't account for even a substantial amount of players. There's been no real showing of a playerbase drop other than 'I'M QUITTING'.

From 5 servers to only 2 in the last 2 years after the prevois merge. That speak a lot about the population itself dude.

It is you trying to be blind about what is happening.
TERA PC - General Discussion#214 Naru200804/10/2019, 06:38 PM
It was definitely needed to do a rollback and fix such a big mess but what i do not understand is this:

Free instance reset scrolls obtained from the Elite consumables box will have its sale price reduced drastically.

What means drastically reduced? And compared to what? Because if it is lower than what we were supposed to receive if the maintenance was not a mess considering that the market received such a shock.. Then the players are going to be the biggest losers .. And only because the maintenance was a mess.

I hope that we are going to get some decent prices for our region and this drastically lower will not be something miserable only because there was this shock with the market and now the prices should be drastically lowered to fix it..

Are they actually reducing scroll prices?

Yeah, it's been stated they're reducing it. It's in the Emergency Maintenance thread;
bit.ly/2IaIQy9
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
NA player base is to greedy, the economy would have never stabilized.

THIS is the reason there is a rollback because the greedy peeps didnt get to cash in also, lol.

And your still here missing the point is not about the gold dude. You got gold free for hoarding some scroll and yet still listing items for far more that its worth and what about the ses exploit. I saw the rollback was asked for after the ses expoilt was leaked, cause those who found it refrained from reporting it that's just greed of its self. No honesty or morals. None of this happend on EU why? they not greedy like us.

Your done rich and still want to be more rich. why didn't golden talents raise to 90g to cover the 2%, or the golden plates that i saw for 3k per plates raise to 700g and what about the other items costumes ect that went sky high. The issue is greed its not about the gold we all got from the reset scrolls.

You fail to understand the concept of a free market. An item is worth what someone will pay for it. The seller has to pay a listing fee regardless, so they will lose money if they post for a price people will not buy at.
Not only rich people sell.
Poor people and new players have an opportunity to sell stuff too, at increased prices, see my prior posts.
The market wasn't "ruined" due to the short term inflation. Infact, it gave poor people a very great opportunity (read up on the greater fool theory) to sell some very easy to get stuff at a nice price and level out the gold and reach an equilibrium.

There's nothing "free market" about this. Imagine you wake up one morning, and 1/3 of the people in your city suddenly won the lottery and have millions of dollars while the rest don't. Are you really going to tell the people who didn't win "don't worry -- it's a free market, it'll all work out in time"? In our case, this imbalanced change would have completely upended the intended progression flow of the game in completely unpredictable ways for months, and to the massive benefit of those who "won the lottery." It's some real twisted logic to tell the people who didn't win "actually this is good for you, really" when the people it's most good for are those who exploited.

You're basically saying "you should overlook this grave unfairness, and look to the bright side of how this might actually benefit you!" and that's just ridiculous. How about we address the underlying unfairness.
EJECWCWG55 1:38PM
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Naru2008 wrote: »
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The only time anyone actually argues 'playerbase drop' is when they include it with Steam logistics, which doesn't account for even a substantial amount of players. There's been no real showing of a playerbase drop other than 'I'M QUITTING'.

From 5 servers to only 2 in the last 2 years after the prevois merge. That speak a lot about the population itself dude.

It is you trying to be blind about what is happening.

I've seen a lot good players quit this game, A LOT. While it might not look like big numbers, but loosing even 10 players that spend hours upon hours playing the game, making LFG groups, helping people learn and etc is a big thing. The less skilled dedicated players you have, the less new players will be able to do higher content and learn the game properly. And let's be honest here, Tera has a high learning curve.
Just look at the buddy up codes. After posting over 10 of them x3, I had all of them used. That's 30 people. You know how many made it to level 65? 5. 5 out of 30 people. You know how many I still saw playing? 2. Just 2 people out of 30 that used my buddy up code stayed in the game. And we worry about new players and not the vets?
Naru2008 wrote: »
EJECWCWG55 wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

not of people quit over the continued incompetence and issues, do you think people who legit grinded are happy and want to regrind? and lets be real the people who actually play the game, from even back then value the time they spent yesterday over the nostalgia of the past my dude.

If you wanna be real, let's be real. The game is still heavily populated at times after everyone has screamed 'I'M QUITTING AND NEVER COMING BACK.' Honestly, 'quitting' has become more of a meme than anything else around here.

Heavely populated? We lose more than half the population in the last year, How can you say we are heavely populated?

At the current stage TERA is unoficially in maint mode after the amount of people who left when we had the last issue half year ago.

Funny thing is when the game had more population than ever we got events that "broke the economy" several times and the game was doing better than ever.

Now things are done "caring for that economy" and the game is going downhill.

The only time anyone actually argues 'playerbase drop' is when they include it with Steam logistics, which doesn't account for even a substantial amount of players. There's been no real showing of a playerbase drop other than 'I'M QUITTING'.

A *percentage* of the playerbase uses steam. A 10% steam drop will generally mean a 10% player drop overall
TERA PC - General Discussion#218 kubitoid04/10/2019, 06:45 PM
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HitAhARD16 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

What economic exploits my dude? SES to golden talents that people have been complaining they need to introduce more into the game OR the GOLD? I finally got paid then capitalized on all the time and money for elite ive spent in the game. The deal with the rollback im sure is the greed of the people that missed out.

I have a hard time believing that you're arguing in good faith, so I'm not going to keep repeating myself after this. When people exploit the economy for selfish gain, the entire game loses. The people who exploited got an advantage they did not deserve at all. That includes you. You did not deserve to "get paid" for "all the time and money for elite" more than anyone else who paid the same thing, just because you opened your Elite Consumable Boxes before the patch and others who weren't aware did not. This is blatantly and obvious unfair. If this was an award given to all Elite players globally as a thanks for their loyalty and all paying subscribers could benefit, great. (I'm in generally favor of loyalty rewards for long-time Elite subscribers, by the way.) But that's not what this was.

You're accusing people arguing out of self-interest, but you're just projecting your own reasons for the argument into the debate. Fairness is a principle that has nothing to do with whether you personally won or lost in the deal.

No need to repeat yourself my dude. How it it an "exploit" when it was a possibility for anybody with an elite box to make gold? The ability for anybody to cash in was there. It was not just the lucky few. It literally was open knowledge to anybody that was interested and watched EU's patch. Two weeks this knowledge was out. It was literally stated that the gold from the scrolls were adjusted to NA's economy by a mod already. Its not an exploit an exploit was the SES to SEMI to SES loop my dude. The elite was open to anybody that had elite status. The fact that people didnt see this coming from two weeks ago is the funny part. As for selfish gain my dude KAMI and FELLOW are a thing. No group of people should have that much influence over the TB. Buying low and selling high (the nature of the TB) is an exploit using your logic. The info was out there people that didnt look into the patch lost out, just like a character that auto attacks in RMHM probably didnt look for info on how to play said character.

All this talk of how the game got broke is just people and their greed. I got more rich from the scrolls. BUT i will still be rich after this rollback.
SES loop yes and exploit: PATCHED
GOLD influx not an exploit: Rollback
Im not entitled to anything, i just capitalized on a opportunity (buy LOW sell HIGH) *exploit*

Of course im putting my opinion into my posts just as you and everybody else is in this thread.
Tell me where the fairness is when i do my homework and pass when the people who didnt bomb so, everybody gets a C across the board for.
*FAIRNESS*
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
NA player base is to greedy, the economy would have never stabilized.

THIS is the reason there is a rollback because the greedy peeps didnt get to cash in also, lol.

And your still here missing the point is not about the gold dude. You got gold free for hoarding some scroll and yet still listing items for far more that its worth and what about the ses exploit. I saw the rollback was asked for after the ses expoilt was leaked, cause those who found it refrained from reporting it that's just greed of its self. No honesty or morals. None of this happend on EU why? they not greedy like us.

Your done rich and still want to be more rich. why didn't golden talents raise to 90g to cover the 2%, or the golden plates that i saw for 3k per plates raise to 700g and what about the other items costumes ect that went sky high. The issue is greed its not about the gold we all got from the reset scrolls.

You fail to understand the concept of a free market. An item is worth what someone will pay for it. The seller has to pay a listing fee regardless, so they will lose money if they post for a price people will not buy at.
Not only rich people sell.
Poor people and new players have an opportunity to sell stuff too, at increased prices, see my prior posts.
The market wasn't "ruined" due to the short term inflation. Infact, it gave poor people a very great opportunity (read up on the greater fool theory) to sell some very easy to get stuff at a nice price and level out the gold and reach an equilibrium.

There's nothing "free market" about this. Imagine you wake up one morning, and 1/3 of the people in your city suddenly won the lottery and have millions of dollars while the rest don't. Are you really going to tell the people who didn't win "don't worry -- it's a free market, it'll all work out in time"? In our case, this imbalanced change would have completely upended the intended progression flow of the game in completely unpredictable ways for months, and to the massive benefit of those who "won the lottery." It's some real twisted logic to tell the people who didn't win "actually this is good for you, really" when the people it's most good for are those who exploited.

You're basically saying "you should overlook this grave unfairness, and look to the bright side of how this might actually benefit you!" and that's just ridiculous. How about we address the underlying unfairness.

Except it hardly benefits the people who "won", and when things stabilize it's the people that didn't win that will come out ahead LOL. The people that "won" generally already have nice full banks so the "winning" is negligable - the people who didn't win are the ones scraping by with pennies.

Current:
Player A with 5 million "wins" and now has 20 million that gets him nothing he couldn't get before - he just has to pay heaps more to buy common yet farmable stuff from broker for convenience
Player B with 10k doesn't win, but now has an opportunity to sell common farmable stuff at greatly increased price to people who did win. This will put him upwards of a million gold within a week or two, and he can now easily pay the raw gold fee for all his gold sink enchants.

Prior/rollback:
Player A with 5 million gets nothing. Prices stay the same, he continues as is, buying common stuff for pennies, he can still easily afford all he wants.
Player B with 10k also gets nothing, and has to continue scraping by earning maybe 5k a day (since he can't sell at higher prices to players that suddenly won the jackpot, so the prices just stay the same), just enough gold for one raw gold sink enchant.

How are you so blind to see that the short term inflation was better for the common player???
kubitoid wrote: »
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I am really curious to see how much the prices are going to be reduced since it says drastically because if the prices will be lower than what we were supposed to get originally for our region only to fix the mess caused by turning the prices from the scrolls into something almost miserable then guess who will be at loss from this..

What we were supposed to get originally and what we might get after such a mess..

Talk about juicy rewards.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
NA player base is to greedy, the economy would have never stabilized.

THIS is the reason there is a rollback because the greedy peeps didnt get to cash in also, lol.

And your still here missing the point is not about the gold dude. You got gold free for hoarding some scroll and yet still listing items for far more that its worth and what about the ses exploit. I saw the rollback was asked for after the ses expoilt was leaked, cause those who found it refrained from reporting it that's just greed of its self. No honesty or morals. None of this happend on EU why? they not greedy like us.

Your done rich and still want to be more rich. why didn't golden talents raise to 90g to cover the 2%, or the golden plates that i saw for 3k per plates raise to 700g and what about the other items costumes ect that went sky high. The issue is greed its not about the gold we all got from the reset scrolls.

You fail to understand the concept of a free market. An item is worth what someone will pay for it. The seller has to pay a listing fee regardless, so they will lose money if they post for a price people will not buy at.
Not only rich people sell.
Poor people and new players have an opportunity to sell stuff too, at increased prices, see my prior posts.
The market wasn't "ruined" due to the short term inflation. Infact, it gave poor people a very great opportunity (read up on the greater fool theory) to sell some very easy to get stuff at a nice price and level out the gold and reach an equilibrium.

There's nothing "free market" about this. Imagine you wake up one morning, and 1/3 of the people in your city suddenly won the lottery and have millions of dollars while the rest don't. Are you really going to tell the people who didn't win "don't worry -- it's a free market, it'll all work out in time"? In our case, this imbalanced change would have completely upended the intended progression flow of the game in completely unpredictable ways for months, and to the massive benefit of those who "won the lottery." It's some real twisted logic to tell the people who didn't win "actually this is good for you, really" when the people it's most good for are those who exploited.

You're basically saying "you should overlook this grave unfairness, and look to the bright side of how this might actually benefit you!" and that's just ridiculous. How about we address the underlying unfairness.

I would seriously ask if they had bought a lotto ticket or not. Cant win if you dont play.
TERA PC - General Discussion#223 Zoknahal04/10/2019, 06:54 PM
A rollback was needed, but it could had been handled better.

Main issue was the exploit of the semi scrolls. I would believe the sell back prices of the scrolls would had been stabilized after a few days, but what really broke the economy was the exploit of the Semi Scrolls.

I cant say im not frustrated, as i am one of those players who was only gonna use the newly made fortune in gearing alts, and paying for kits and stuff. The "drastically" reduced price on the scrolls might look like a total insult to some who made millions, if not properly managed.

I am sorry for those who lost progress and bought items with this, me included, but i suppose, i can get em back once the servers are up if the price is right.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

What economic exploits my dude? SES to golden talents that people have been complaining they need to introduce more into the game OR the GOLD? I finally got paid then capitalized on all the time and money for elite ive spent in the game. The deal with the rollback im sure is the greed of the people that missed out.

I have a hard time believing that you're arguing in good faith, so I'm not going to keep repeating myself after this. When people exploit the economy for selfish gain, the entire game loses. The people who exploited got an advantage they did not deserve at all. That includes you. You did not deserve to "get paid" for "all the time and money for elite" more than anyone else who paid the same thing, just because you opened your Elite Consumable Boxes before the patch and others who weren't aware did not. This is blatantly and obvious unfair. If this was an award given to all Elite players globally as a thanks for their loyalty and all paying subscribers could benefit, great. (I'm in generally favor of loyalty rewards for long-time Elite subscribers, by the way.) But that's not what this was.

You're accusing people arguing out of self-interest, but you're just projecting your own reasons for the argument into the debate. Fairness is a principle that has nothing to do with whether you personally won or lost in the deal.

No need to repeat yourself my dude. How it it an "exploit" when it was a possibility for anybody with an elite box to make gold? The ability for anybody to cash in was there. It was not just the lucky few. It literally was open knowledge to anybody that was interested and watched EU's patch. Two weeks this knowledge was out. It was literally stated that the gold from the scrolls were adjusted to NA's economy by a mod already. Its not an exploit an exploit was the SES to SEMI to SES loop my dude. The elite was open to anybody that had elite status. The fact that people didnt see this coming from two weeks ago is the funny part. As for selfish gain my dude KAMI and FELLOW are a thing. No group of people should have that much influence over the TB. Buying low and selling high (the nature of the TB) is an exploit using your logic. The info was out there people that didnt look into the patch lost out, just like a character that auto attacks in RMHM probably didnt look for info on how to play said character.

All this talk of how the game got broke is just people and their greed. I got more rich from the scrolls. BUT i will still be rich after this rollback.
SES loop yes and exploit: PATCHED
GOLD influx not an exploit: Rollback
Im not entitled to anything, i just capitalized on a opportunity (buy LOW sell HIGH) *exploit*

Of course im putting my opinion into my posts just as you and everybody else is in this thread.
Tell me where the fairness is when i do my homework and pass when the people who didnt bomb so, everybody gets a C across the board for.
*FAIRNESS*

Of course, shall we have another example?
A bank is unprotected, so people rob it.
Later, noticing the lack of protection, the bank is protected.
All robbers are free to enjoy their rewards for robbery.
Seems fair?
Zoknahal wrote: »
Main issue was the exploit of the semi scrolls. I would believe the sell back prices of the scrolls would had been stabilized after a few days, but what really broke the economy was the exploit of the Semi Scrolls.

How is the introduction of massive amounts of un-tradable crafting mats and huge amounts of gold and silver talents that people have been complaining about being a pain to get for the last months a game breaker?

TERA PC - General Discussion#226 Naru200804/10/2019, 06:58 PM
Zoknahal wrote: »
A rollback was needed, but it could had been handled better.

Main issue was the exploit of the semi scrolls. I would believe the sell back prices of the scrolls would had been stabilized after a few days, but what really broke the economy was the exploit of the Semi Scrolls.

I cant say im not frustrated, as i am one of those players who was only gonna use the newly made fortune in gearing alts, and paying for kits and stuff. The "drastically" reduced price on the scrolls might look like a total insult to some who made millions, if not properly managed.

I am sorry for those who lost progress and bought items with this, me included, but i suppose, i can get em back once the servers are up if the price is right.

Essentially me with this tbh.

and if any of you are on Velika and I gave you some of the gold I had gotten from my Reset Scrolls, i'm terribly sorry you're getting yet another slap in the face, since the reason I was giving you all gold was because you already didn't know about the selling of the scrolls and didn't open your boxes. :( I'm sorry you don't get to keep the gold, guys.
TERA PC - General Discussion#227 clfarron404/10/2019, 06:58 PM
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
NA player base is to greedy, the economy would have never stabilized.

THIS is the reason there is a rollback because the greedy peeps didnt get to cash in also, lol.

And your still here missing the point is not about the gold dude. You got gold free for hoarding some scroll and yet still listing items for far more that its worth and what about the ses exploit. I saw the rollback was asked for after the ses expoilt was leaked, cause those who found it refrained from reporting it that's just greed of its self. No honesty or morals. None of this happend on EU why? they not greedy like us.

Your done rich and still want to be more rich. why didn't golden talents raise to 90g to cover the 2%, or the golden plates that i saw for 3k per plates raise to 700g and what about the other items costumes ect that went sky high. The issue is greed its not about the gold we all got from the reset scrolls.

You fail to understand the concept of a free market. An item is worth what someone will pay for it. The seller has to pay a listing fee regardless, so they will lose money if they post for a price people will not buy at.
Not only rich people sell.
Poor people and new players have an opportunity to sell stuff too, at increased prices, see my prior posts.
The market wasn't "ruined" due to the short term inflation. Infact, it gave poor people a very great opportunity (read up on the greater fool theory) to sell some very easy to get stuff at a nice price and level out the gold and reach an equilibrium.

There's nothing "free market" about this. Imagine you wake up one morning, and 1/3 of the people in your city suddenly won the lottery and have millions of dollars while the rest don't. Are you really going to tell the people who didn't win "don't worry -- it's a free market, it'll all work out in time"? In our case, this imbalanced change would have completely upended the intended progression flow of the game in completely unpredictable ways for months, and to the massive benefit of those who "won the lottery." It's some real twisted logic to tell the people who didn't win "actually this is good for you, really" when the people it's most good for are those who exploited.

You're basically saying "you should overlook this grave unfairness, and look to the bright side of how this might actually benefit you!" and that's just ridiculous. How about we address the underlying unfairness.

I think we do understand the concept of a free market and the TERA market is usually a free market.

The problem that we have is this: The publisher has given so much buying power to those that converted scrolls into gold that a few people actually bought everything on the broker. This is the same as your countries central bank making a few people billionaires and leaving everyone else as it is at the drop of a hat.

And in this situation, EME thinks that it is so out-of-balance that they need to intervene, making it a temporarily co-ordinated market. I mean, the biggest assumption that some people seem to make is that video game environments are democracies and fair. They're not.
TERA PC - General Discussion#228 clfarron404/10/2019, 06:59 PM
On the SES issue: Is that an issue, given the shortage of materials which has progressively made more and more people quit since this gearing system was introduced?
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Time to ask all players their start date when they apply to my LFGs so I can actually kill the game by denying them from my parties so they have no reason to play, since they want to cry to the forums and have my personal time (HINT: THIS IS THE IMPORTANT THING. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN OFF WORK JUST TO BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE) rolled back because they couldn't make the same gold as someone who's had elite for close to 5 years straight.

No, my start date is May 1, 2012 when the game launched and I've been a subscriber or Elite basically the entire time. There is a perspective that is about a lot more than just "what's in it for me." These economic exploits completely undervalued the time we all spent in the game, veterans and new players alike -- not just the last 16 hours of time, but years of time spent in the game. So this decision actually was about valuing your time. The short term pain will pass.

What economic exploits my dude? SES to golden talents that people have been complaining they need to introduce more into the game OR the GOLD? I finally got paid then capitalized on all the time and money for elite ive spent in the game. The deal with the rollback im sure is the greed of the people that missed out.

I have a hard time believing that you're arguing in good faith, so I'm not going to keep repeating myself after this. When people exploit the economy for selfish gain, the entire game loses. The people who exploited got an advantage they did not deserve at all. That includes you. You did not deserve to "get paid" for "all the time and money for elite" more than anyone else who paid the same thing, just because you opened your Elite Consumable Boxes before the patch and others who weren't aware did not. This is blatantly and obvious unfair. If this was an award given to all Elite players globally as a thanks for their loyalty and all paying subscribers could benefit, great. (I'm in generally favor of loyalty rewards for long-time Elite subscribers, by the way.) But that's not what this was.

You're accusing people arguing out of self-interest, but you're just projecting your own reasons for the argument into the debate. Fairness is a principle that has nothing to do with whether you personally won or lost in the deal.

No need to repeat yourself my dude. How it it an "exploit" when it was a possibility for anybody with an elite box to make gold? The ability for anybody to cash in was there. It was not just the lucky few. It literally was open knowledge to anybody that was interested and watched EU's patch. Two weeks this knowledge was out. It was literally stated that the gold from the scrolls were adjusted to NA's economy by a mod already. Its not an exploit an exploit was the SES to SEMI to SES loop my dude. The elite was open to anybody that had elite status. The fact that people didnt see this coming from two weeks ago is the funny part. As for selfish gain my dude KAMI and FELLOW are a thing. No group of people should have that much influence over the TB. Buying low and selling high (the nature of the TB) is an exploit using your logic. The info was out there people that didnt look into the patch lost out, just like a character that auto attacks in RMHM probably didnt look for info on how to play said character.

All this talk of how the game got broke is just people and their greed. I got more rich from the scrolls. BUT i will still be rich after this rollback.
SES loop yes and exploit: PATCHED
GOLD influx not an exploit: Rollback
Im not entitled to anything, i just capitalized on a opportunity (buy LOW sell HIGH) *exploit*

Of course im putting my opinion into my posts just as you and everybody else is in this thread.
Tell me where the fairness is when i do my homework and pass when the people who didnt bomb so, everybody gets a C across the board for.
*FAIRNESS*

Of course, shall we have another example?
A bank is unprotected, so people rob it.
Later, noticing the lack of protection, the bank is protected.
All robbers are free to enjoy their rewards for robbery.
Seems fair?

It is not, because the robbers should be jailed and here exploiters are not punished. This makes this even worse because exploiters are running free even with the rollback.
TERA PC - General Discussion#230 Werid04/10/2019, 07:01 PM
I personally don't see that bad the reset scroll bug since it was like a useful reward for elite players and old players and since elite now sucks with the 2% taxes and the things they removed on this patch it was a good thing since elite costs real money.
clfarron4 wrote: »
On the SES issue: Is that an issue, given the shortage of materials which has progressively made more and more people quit since this gearing system was introduced?

So the proper solution for that issue is an exploit/bug?
clfarron4 wrote: »
On the SES issue: Is that an issue, given the shortage of materials which has progressively made more and more people quit since this gearing system was introduced?

Yes it is. Golden talents and silver talents are not an easy thing to obtain on NA. While EU has very much easier time, NA has to wait for double vanguard event, and then grind for hours on Tier 1 IOD to get any decent amount of the talents. And even during those events the prices of the talents do not drop enough to go crazy on buying them.

Of course, shall we have another example?
A bank is unprotected, so people rob it.
Later, noticing the lack of protection, the bank is protected.
All robbers are free to enjoy their rewards for robbery.
Seems fair?

I need another example that ones iffy honestly. So im the robber in this example or am i the protection for the bank? Dont the robbers become criminals? So im a criminal now?
TERA PC - General Discussion#234 clfarron404/10/2019, 07:05 PM
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

Of course, shall we have another example?
A bank is unprotected, so people rob it.
Later, noticing the lack of protection, the bank is protected.
All robbers are free to enjoy their rewards for robbery.
Seems fair?

I need another example that ones iffy honestly. So im the robber in this example or am i the protection for the bank? Dont the robbers become criminals? So im a criminal now?

Better example is the one I used. The central bank in your country printing free money for a few people to make them rich. I think Counterpoint used it too.
TERA PC - General Discussion#235 Naru200804/10/2019, 07:08 PM
clfarron4 wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

Of course, shall we have another example?
A bank is unprotected, so people rob it.
Later, noticing the lack of protection, the bank is protected.
All robbers are free to enjoy their rewards for robbery.
Seems fair?

I need another example that ones iffy honestly. So im the robber in this example or am i the protection for the bank? Dont the robbers become criminals? So im a criminal now?

Better example is the one I used. The central bank in your country printing free money for a few people to make them rich. I think Counterpoint used it too.

Banks don't print money? They lend it?
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

Of course, shall we have another example?
A bank is unprotected, so people rob it.
Later, noticing the lack of protection, the bank is protected.
All robbers are free to enjoy their rewards for robbery.
Seems fair?

I need another example that ones iffy honestly. So im the robber in this example or am i the protection for the bank? Dont the robbers become criminals? So im a criminal now?

No other examples come to mind at the moment.
It's supposed to mean players that abused the SES bug were rewarded.
While those that didn't abuse it before removal, are basically said, "sorry you didn't abuse it in time."
Apologies if it didn't make sense.
I understand that rollback was needed for the entropy token dupe thing.
But why reset scroll though? Those thing comes from elite box anyway. For those who hoard but didnt open them, well, u still have the elite box with you. EME could've just put something nice in there for u guys. Instead of reducing the reset scroll price..

I deliberately open up those elite boxes when i heard reset scroll are being phased out. I knew its gonna have high merchant sell value. Just like all of those alkahest and other old enchant stuff that i cant remember. Its not an exploit when this kind of thing happened every time new stuff comes in and old stuff phased out.

:unamused:
clfarron4 wrote: »
HitAhARD16 wrote: »

Of course, shall we have another example?
A bank is unprotected, so people rob it.
Later, noticing the lack of protection, the bank is protected.
All robbers are free to enjoy their rewards for robbery.
Seems fair?

I need another example that ones iffy honestly. So im the robber in this example or am i the protection for the bank? Dont the robbers become criminals? So im a criminal now?

Better example is the one I used. The central bank in your country printing free money for a few people to make them rich. I think Counterpoint used it too.

Thats just it its not a few people most people that play this game even new players get elite. Or grind gold to buy elite. It wasn't just a few people that got rich it was a lot of people. If you did your homework it was literally 200k + gold to buy 2 seven day elite scrolls. The info was there it was out there it was available to everybody. So for your example with the central bank, maybe they put out the info that they were giving out the money but only a few showed up.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
How it it an "exploit" when it was a possibility for anybody with an elite box to make gold? The ability for anybody to cash in was there. It was not just the lucky few. It literally was open knowledge to anybody that was interested and watched EU's patch. Two weeks this knowledge was out. It was literally stated that the gold from the scrolls were adjusted to NA's economy by a mod already. Its not an exploit an exploit was the SES to SEMI to SES loop my dude. The elite was open to anybody that had elite status. The fact that people didnt see this coming from two weeks ago is the funny part.

This isn't fair at all.

First, why should Elite who hoarded their boxes and their reset scrolls get millions and millions of gold while the people who actually used their scrolls get nothing? The "adjustment" that BHS did to the sale value of the scroll was clearly, obviously, hilariously wrong given the amount of Elite Consumable Boxes in circulation. Given the care and control BHS has taken to preserving the slow/grindy progression speed these months (even if I hate it), there's no way anyone at BHS could see what happened and say "yep, that's exactly what we wanted to happen!". It was broken.

Second, why should paying customers have to pay attention to other regions' patch notes and follow player chatter just to receive a "fair reward". If the intention was to reward Elite players, you would do it in a balanced, equitable way, not "if you so happened to have these scrolls lying around still, we'll make you a multi-millionaire!". You would provide advanced notification so everyone gets a fair chance. You would have clear criteria so there's no misunderstandings/surprises of what you were going to get.

When people heard that the sale values were going to be adjusted for the economy, they rightfully assumed that meant the values would be dropped to maybe 100G or something -- you'd benefit, but it wouldn't be game-breaking or anything. The amounts given are so astronomical that it makes no sense.

HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Tell me where the fairness is when i do my homework and pass when the people who didnt bomb so, everybody gets a C across the board for.

It's more like you did one unannounced assignment in high school and as a result were instantly granted a full PhD. While it sucks to lose it, you didn't deserve that scale of a reward to start. It's like "bank errors in your favor; collect $200." For $200, they might just overlook it and let you move on. But if it's like "bank errors in your favor; collect $20,000,000."... they won't overlook it.
I understand that rollback was needed for the entropy token dupe thing.
But why reset scroll though? Those thing comes from elite box anyway. For those who hoard but didnt open them, well, u still have the elite box with you. EME could've just put something nice in there for u guys. Instead of reducing the reset scroll price..

I deliberately open up those elite boxes when i heard reset scroll are being phased out. I knew its gonna have high merchant sell value. Just like all of those alkahest and other old enchant stuff that i cant remember. Its not an exploit when this kind of thing happened every time new stuff comes in and old stuff phased out.

:unamused:

Worry not, I'm sure they'll be able to properly balance the reset scroll sell prices.
laughing-anime-girl-gif-8.gif
*Chuckle*
No, I doubt it.
Something alot more curious, will there be full on account rollbacks for people that purchased benefits with gold yesterday, such as elites and using them, char/bank expansions. LUL
Let's put it this way. They can't win no matter what they do. No matter how you do it, you going to have someone pissed off. That just the way it is.
On one side you got people pissed off about the scroll prices, one another people that think that is fair and it will work out.
No matter what EME/BHS does at this point its not going to fix the issue. There will be people pissed off, there will be people leaving the game, simply because of the fact of how messed up this all got all because EME/BHS can't get their [filtered] together.
I understand that rollback was needed for the entropy token dupe thing.
But why reset scroll though? Those thing comes from elite box anyway. For those who hoard but didnt open them, well, u still have the elite box with you. EME could've just put something nice in there for u guys. Instead of reducing the reset scroll price..

I deliberately open up those elite boxes when i heard reset scroll are being phased out. I knew its gonna have high merchant sell value. Just like all of those alkahest and other old enchant stuff that i cant remember. Its not an exploit when this kind of thing happened every time new stuff comes in and old stuff phased out.

:unamused:

Worry not, I'm sure they'll be able to properly balance the reset scroll sell prices.
laughing-anime-girl-gif-8.gif
*Chuckle*
No, I doubt it.

The prices this time will be drastically lowered but that can also mean lowered more than originally planned for our region before the mess to happen.

3qsA.gif
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
How it it an "exploit" when it was a possibility for anybody with an elite box to make gold? The ability for anybody to cash in was there. It was not just the lucky few. It literally was open knowledge to anybody that was interested and watched EU's patch. Two weeks this knowledge was out. It was literally stated that the gold from the scrolls were adjusted to NA's economy by a mod already. Its not an exploit an exploit was the SES to SEMI to SES loop my dude. The elite was open to anybody that had elite status. The fact that people didnt see this coming from two weeks ago is the funny part.

This isn't fair at all.

First, why should Elite who hoarded their boxes and their reset scrolls get millions and millions of gold while the people who actually used their scrolls get nothing? The "adjustment" that BHS did to the sale value of the scroll was clearly, obviously, hilariously wrong given the amount of Elite Consumable Boxes in circulation. Given the care and control BHS has taken to preserving the slow/grindy progression speed these months (even if I hate it), there's no way anyone at BHS could see what happened and say "yep, that's exactly what we wanted to happen!". It was broken.

Second, why should paying customers have to pay attention to other regions' patch notes and follow player chatter just to receive a "fair reward". If the intention was to reward Elite players, you would do it in a balanced, equitable way, not "if you so happened to have these scrolls lying around still, we'll make you a multi-millionaire!". You would provide advanced notification so everyone gets a fair chance. You would have clear criteria so there's no misunderstandings/surprises of what you were going to get.

When people heard that the sale values were going to be adjusted for the economy, they rightfully assumed that meant the values would be dropped to maybe 100G or something -- you'd benefit, but it wouldn't be game-breaking or anything. The amounts given are so astronomical that it makes no sense.

HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Tell me where the fairness is when i do my homework and pass when the people who didnt bomb so, everybody gets a C across the board for.

It's more like you did one unannounced assignment in high school and as a result were instantly granted a full PhD. While it sucks to lose it, you didn't deserve that scale of a reward to start. It's like "bank errors in your favor; collect $200." For $200, they might just overlook it and let you move on. But if it's like "bank errors in your favor; collect $20,000,000."... they won't overlook it.

Actually if you did manage to use all of those scrolls you would have made alot more money than you made by selling them to the npc yesterday.
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
How it it an "exploit" when it was a possibility for anybody with an elite box to make gold? The ability for anybody to cash in was there. It was not just the lucky few. It literally was open knowledge to anybody that was interested and watched EU's patch. Two weeks this knowledge was out. It was literally stated that the gold from the scrolls were adjusted to NA's economy by a mod already. Its not an exploit an exploit was the SES to SEMI to SES loop my dude. The elite was open to anybody that had elite status. The fact that people didnt see this coming from two weeks ago is the funny part.

This isn't fair at all.

First, why should Elite who hoarded their boxes and their reset scrolls get millions and millions of gold while the people who actually used their scrolls get nothing? The "adjustment" that BHS did to the sale value of the scroll was clearly, obviously, hilariously wrong given the amount of Elite Consumable Boxes in circulation. Given the care and control BHS has taken to preserving the slow/grindy progression speed these months (even if I hate it), there's no way anyone at BHS could see what happened and say "yep, that's exactly what we wanted to happen!". It was broken.

Second, why should paying customers have to pay attention to other regions' patch notes and follow player chatter just to receive a "fair reward". If the intention was to reward Elite players, you would do it in a balanced, equitable way, not "if you so happened to have these scrolls lying around still, we'll make you a multi-millionaire!". You would provide advanced notification so everyone gets a fair chance. You would have clear criteria so there's no misunderstandings/surprises of what you were going to get.

When people heard that the sale values were going to be adjusted for the economy, they rightfully assumed that meant the values would be dropped to maybe 100G or something -- you'd benefit, but it wouldn't be game-breaking or anything. The amounts given are so astronomical that it makes no sense.

HitAhARD16 wrote: »
Tell me where the fairness is when i do my homework and pass when the people who didnt bomb so, everybody gets a C across the board for.

It's more like you did one unannounced assignment in high school and as a result were instantly granted a full PhD. While it sucks to lose it, you didn't deserve that scale of a reward to start. It's like "bank errors in your favor; collect $200." For $200, they might just overlook it and let you move on. But if it's like "bank errors in your favor; collect $20,000,000."... they won't overlook it.

So what your saying is the publisher should of made better patch notes. The information was out there but you shouldn't have to go looking for it and if you did and made a profit from doing so that its not fair. At one point there were what 7 servers? if you were elite and logged into seven different servers to collect boxes then the server merges squished all the boxes together this is my fault? I couldn't use the scrolls fast enough. The people that assumed anything were obviously wrong, they could of just looked how EU patch went down but then again thats work. The employees at microsoft that took stock options instead of bonus's were idiots and greedy same with people who invested in a small company like google (whos that guy)

I shouldnt have to watch EU for patch notes but i did, profit. Or as others here like to say entitled/greedy.
The gold didnt break the game is the funny part. Its just the people that didnt get a piece of the pie are complaining.
If i had put more effort into it i could of had 20-30 accounts with elite status for 2 weeks and made millions from two weeks of elite status but i would have people here calling my homework an exploit.

AND if my unannounced assignment from high school is PHD material gimme the PHD.
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
First, why should Elite who hoarded their boxes and their reset scrolls get millions and millions of gold while the people who actually used their scrolls get nothing? The "adjustment" that BHS did to the sale value of the scroll was clearly, obviously, hilariously wrong given the amount of Elite Consumable Boxes in circulation. Given the care and control BHS has taken to preserving the slow/grindy progression speed these months (even if I hate it), there's no way anyone at BHS could see what happened and say "yep, that's exactly what we wanted to happen!". It was broken..

Actually if you did manage to use all of those scrolls you would have made alot more money than you made by selling them to the npc yesterday. Please, you're almost as bad as EME, at least learn the gains from the dungeons for relevant scrolls for the game you're "player counselling" for.

People had tens of millions of gold from this. There's no realistic way people could have played that much to extract that much value from all those scrolls over the years.
TERA PC - General Discussion#247 kamizuma04/10/2019, 07:24 PM
I'm laughing when I hear people that say the economy would have "balanced" out. Personally, I got 55 mil from scolls but that doesn't really matter as much as the fact I was getting over 250+ mil an hour from selling random items at literally random prices. I just went through a single character pulling items from my bank listing them for 1-5 mil ea and I come back after playing a game of league and 90% of them sold rofl. You really REALLY think the economy will stabilize when I (and maybe 3 other people) would have probably ended up with 85%+ of the gold from this gold influx (because people love buying gear/mounts/rare costumes ect)?
TERA PC - General Discussion#248 Naru200804/10/2019, 07:25 PM
kamizuma wrote: »
I'm laughing when I hear people that say the economy would have "balanced" out. Personally, I got 55 mil from scolls but that doesn't really matter as much as the fact I was getting over 250+ mil an hour from selling random items at literally random prices. I just went through a single character pulling items from my bank listing them for 1-5 mil ea and I come back after playing a game of league and 90% of them sold rofl. You really REALLY think the economy will stabilize when I (and maybe 3 other people) would have probably ended up with 85%+ of the gold from this gold influx (because people love buying gear/mounts/rare costumes ect)?

And they still said you'd go bankrupt. I rofl'd so hard kek
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
First, why should Elite who hoarded their boxes and their reset scrolls get millions and millions of gold while the people who actually used their scrolls get nothing? The "adjustment" that BHS did to the sale value of the scroll was clearly, obviously, hilariously wrong given the amount of Elite Consumable Boxes in circulation. Given the care and control BHS has taken to preserving the slow/grindy progression speed these months (even if I hate it), there's no way anyone at BHS could see what happened and say "yep, that's exactly what we wanted to happen!". It was broken..

Actually if you did manage to use all of those scrolls you would have made alot more money than you made by selling them to the npc yesterday. Please, you're almost as bad as EME, at least learn the gains from the dungeons for relevant scrolls for the game you're "player counselling" for.

People had tens of millions of gold from this. There's no realistic way people could have played that much to extract that much value from all those scrolls over the years, and certainly not as "disposable income."

No, believe they meant it's fair having a similar reward while not having to actually grind the dungeons multiple times.
kamizuma wrote: »
I'm laughing when I hear people that say the economy would have "balanced" out. Personally, I got 55 mil from scolls but that doesn't really matter as much as the fact I was getting over 250+ mil an hour from selling random items at literally random prices. I just went through a single character pulling items from my bank listing them for 1-5 mil ea and I come back after playing a game of league and 90% of them sold rofl. You really REALLY think the economy will stabilize when I (and maybe 3 other people) would have probably ended up with 85%+ of the gold from this gold influx (because people love buying gear/mounts/rare costumes ect)?

You just answered your own question. Do you really think you and 3 other people could maintain a deathgrip on prices once that 85% you project ended up in your hands? You and I both know the answer as to what would happen with prices.
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it would of balanced out KAMI back to you and the select few that dont play the game holding most of the gold just like it is now and has been
TERA PC - General Discussion#253 kamizuma04/10/2019, 07:29 PM
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
kamizuma wrote: »
I'm laughing when I hear people that say the economy would have "balanced" out. Personally, I got 55 mil from scolls but that doesn't really matter as much as the fact I was getting over 250+ mil an hour from selling random items at literally random prices. I just went through a single character pulling items from my bank listing them for 1-5 mil ea and I come back after playing a game of league and 90% of them sold rofl. You really REALLY think the economy will stabilize when I (and maybe 3 other people) would have probably ended up with 85%+ of the gold from this gold influx (because people love buying gear/mounts/rare costumes ect)?

You just answered your own question. Do you really think you and 3 other people could maintain a deathgrip on prices once that 85% you project ended up in your hands? You and I both know the answer as to what would happen with prices.

yes. it's very easy to control/inflate/outprice/manipulate items when you have most of the gold in the game. Even easier when there's a listing fee that you can easily afford to pay and others can't.
TERA PC - General Discussion#254 Mistruss04/10/2019, 07:30 PM
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
Actually if you did manage to use all of those scrolls you would have made alot more money than you made by selling them to the npc yesterday. Please, you're almost as bad as EME, at least learn the gains from the dungeons for relevant scrolls for the game you're "player counselling" for.

As a returning player I only made 60k from selling all my reset scrolls. Because I'm a returning player I wasn't able to hoard a bunch of the newer reset scrolls. Additionally, I wasn't able to farm a bunch of materials since I am a pretty recent returning player. This isn't just an issue for returning players, but for new players as well.

Why would selling my mats for high now that there's a huge influx of free gold even be an argument though? Wouldn't the people who have a ton of reset scrolls lying around and sold them also have that same opportunity? The rich would get richer while the poor try to catch up with no advantage over those who got tons of gold from selling their reset scrolls.

Are you implying new players would eventually catch up because of inflated prices? Because they wont. They will be making more gold because everything sells for so high but again, this is the same for everyone. Good luck trying to catch up to people who made a a sudden 20-50m

I rarely post here but I really don't like people who pretend they are making a decision for the good of the people when it's entirely for themselves.

YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
First, why should Elite who hoarded their boxes and their reset scrolls get millions and millions of gold while the people who actually used their scrolls get nothing? The "adjustment" that BHS did to the sale value of the scroll was clearly, obviously, hilariously wrong given the amount of Elite Consumable Boxes in circulation. Given the care and control BHS has taken to preserving the slow/grindy progression speed these months (even if I hate it), there's no way anyone at BHS could see what happened and say "yep, that's exactly what we wanted to happen!". It was broken..

Actually if you did manage to use all of those scrolls you would have made alot more money than you made by selling them to the npc yesterday. Please, you're almost as bad as EME, at least learn the gains from the dungeons for relevant scrolls for the game you're "player counselling" for.

People had tens of millions of gold from this. There's no realistic way people could have played that much to extract that much value from all those scrolls over the years, and certainly not as "disposable income."

No, believe they meant it's fair having a similar reward while not having to actually grind the dungeons multiple times.

For doing nothing but selling unused scrolls? How many hours upon hours of playtime did those players spend to earn that much? There's no possible world where someone can say that this would be fair.
kamizuma wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
kamizuma wrote: »
I'm laughing when I hear people that say the economy would have "balanced" out. Personally, I got 55 mil from scolls but that doesn't really matter as much as the fact I was getting over 250+ mil an hour from selling random items at literally random prices. I just went through a single character pulling items from my bank listing them for 1-5 mil ea and I come back after playing a game of league and 90% of them sold rofl. You really REALLY think the economy will stabilize when I (and maybe 3 other people) would have probably ended up with 85%+ of the gold from this gold influx (because people love buying gear/mounts/rare costumes ect)?

You just answered your own question. Do you really think you and 3 other people could maintain a deathgrip on prices once that 85% you project ended up in your hands? You and I both know the answer as to what would happen with prices.

yes. it's very easy to control/inflate/outprice/manipulate items when you have most of the gold in the game. Even easier when there's a listing fee that you can easily afford to pay and others can't.

Literally why people like you shouldnt exist in the game, no one person should have that much influence over the TB, OK Halliburton? Ok Fanny May?
kamizuma wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
kamizuma wrote: »
I'm laughing when I hear people that say the economy would have "balanced" out. Personally, I got 55 mil from scolls but that doesn't really matter as much as the fact I was getting over 250+ mil an hour from selling random items at literally random prices. I just went through a single character pulling items from my bank listing them for 1-5 mil ea and I come back after playing a game of league and 90% of them sold rofl. You really REALLY think the economy will stabilize when I (and maybe 3 other people) would have probably ended up with 85%+ of the gold from this gold influx (because people love buying gear/mounts/rare costumes ect)?

You just answered your own question. Do you really think you and 3 other people could maintain a deathgrip on prices once that 85% you project ended up in your hands? You and I both know the answer as to what would happen with prices.

yes. it's very easy to control/inflate/outprice/manipulate items when you have most of the gold in the game. Even easier when there's a listing fee that you can easily afford to pay and others can't.

So you would either broker bot, no life, or are full of it. You couldn't control the items that move through quickly, and those are bought for convenience anyways i.e. can readily be farmed.
Sad day for Betina!
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YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
First, why should Elite who hoarded their boxes and their reset scrolls get millions and millions of gold while the people who actually used their scrolls get nothing? The "adjustment" that BHS did to the sale value of the scroll was clearly, obviously, hilariously wrong given the amount of Elite Consumable Boxes in circulation. Given the care and control BHS has taken to preserving the slow/grindy progression speed these months (even if I hate it), there's no way anyone at BHS could see what happened and say "yep, that's exactly what we wanted to happen!". It was broken..

Actually if you did manage to use all of those scrolls you would have made alot more money than you made by selling them to the npc yesterday. Please, you're almost as bad as EME, at least learn the gains from the dungeons for relevant scrolls for the game you're "player counselling" for.

People had tens of millions of gold from this. There's no realistic way people could have played that much to extract that much value from all those scrolls over the years, and certainly not as "disposable income."

No, believe they meant it's fair having a similar reward while not having to actually grind the dungeons multiple times.

For doing nothing but selling unused scrolls? How many hours upon hours of playtime did those players spend to earn that much? There's no possible world where someone can say that this would be fair.

Reading some of the comments in this thread.
Seems there are a few.
This post went from 0->1000 in a snap lol! What's done is already over with, just wait for maintenance to end and get on with your lives or don't :P. There is no more use in worrying about issues that are already reversed, look forward to doing the day over xD
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
First, why should Elite who hoarded their boxes and their reset scrolls get millions and millions of gold while the people who actually used their scrolls get nothing? The "adjustment" that BHS did to the sale value of the scroll was clearly, obviously, hilariously wrong given the amount of Elite Consumable Boxes in circulation. Given the care and control BHS has taken to preserving the slow/grindy progression speed these months (even if I hate it), there's no way anyone at BHS could see what happened and say "yep, that's exactly what we wanted to happen!". It was broken..

Actually if you did manage to use all of those scrolls you would have made alot more money than you made by selling them to the npc yesterday. Please, you're almost as bad as EME, at least learn the gains from the dungeons for relevant scrolls for the game you're "player counselling" for.

People had tens of millions of gold from this. There's no realistic way people could have played that much to extract that much value from all those scrolls over the years, and certainly not as "disposable income."

No, believe they meant it's fair having a similar reward while not having to actually grind the dungeons multiple times.

For doing nothing but selling unused scrolls? How many hours upon hours of playtime did those players spend to earn that much? There's no possible world where someone can say that this would be fair.

Fair or not, man, EME/BHS done f'ed up this time around. We can argue all we want about this, but at the end of the day it was the company's fault.
The advertisement for PUG is still there, while we are 2 weeks done with the event. New patch notes? Not advertised like it was supposed to be.
The price on scrolls? Companys decision. Their mistake, their fault. No one looked and said "wait a minute, this might cause some issues?"

Its enough already that EU, Korea and NA are completely different games. But NA always gets the short stick.

You can continue go on about how it is not fair and all of that, but at the end of the day, the thing that is most unfair, is that EME/BHS let this happen, wasted people's time and money and putting bandaids over a huge problem.
And blindly ragging on them is making it better?
Why is this patch different to the SAME patch on the EU server, hmm . . That's what we should be assking EME.
TERA PC - General Discussion#264 kubitoid04/10/2019, 07:37 PM
Just keep in mind that VETS are the people who keeping this alive. New players come and go.
yep. they come and go. they dont stay they dont invest $. and vets become fed up with this game after many years and leave one by one. game is shrinking as a result. and fast
TERA PC - General Discussion#265 Kiymori04/10/2019, 07:37 PM
I'm fine with this Rollback as long as they plan to reimburse every single EMP,Gold and materials I used prior to the Maint.
TERA PC - General Discussion#266 MrPhoenix04/10/2019, 07:41 PM
So i come from a smallknit guild where everyone in that guild has had elite for many a month. since they did the scrolls for so much everyone in that guild was actually able to apex/upgrade their gear. but now due to the recent decisions of the rollback we all have to go back and redo our gear while also doing apex once again. Like you guys [filtered] and moan about how "this is fair" etc but you know what it allowed the smaller guilds who struggle to get money etc to upgrade a chance. I'm glad we've came to a decision that it would be best to throw all the work that mine and others guilds have done in the matter of 16 hours.
Why is this patch different to the SAME patch on the EU server, hmm . . That's what we should be assking EME.

Part of the problem is that it wasn't different when it counted. The sale price of the scrolls was changed ostensibly because the amount of scrolls in the economy were different, but obviously whatever calculation they did was wrong. Using the EU values would also have been wrong because of the Elite Consumable Boxes (though it would have been better than what we got). And then the issue with the semi price/sale value seems to have been due to previous region-specific differences that weren't fully considered.

If all the regions were actually the same 100%, obviously this issue wouldn't happen. But the whole thing stems from little regional differences over time that compound to create these problems.
As note also, I didn't even know it was a level 70 patch until my friend told me. By reading the patch notes, I did not see stating that it was level 70 patch. The preparation for this was an utter cluster. They keep players in the dark and then do this. If they would state clearly about the prices on the scrolls a week or more before the release of the patch, we wouldn't be having this problem right now.

This shouldn't have happened at all. This is bad management and producing. Someone needs to get fired and they need to start communicating with the players base.
TERA PC - General Discussion#269 Kiymori04/10/2019, 07:44 PM
MrPhoenix wrote: »
So i come from a smallknit guild where everyone in that guild has had elite for many a month. since they did the scrolls for so much everyone in that guild was actually able to apex/upgrade their gear. but now due to the recent decisions of the rollback we all have to go back and redo our gear while also doing apex once again. Like you guys [filtered] and moan about how "this is fair" etc but you know what it allowed the smaller guilds who struggle to get money etc to upgrade a chance. I'm glad we've came to a decision that it would be best to throw all the work that mine and others guilds have done in the matter of 16 hours.

I hear you, i'm just cheesed I finally was starting the apex quest and poof, from full FM+0 all the way back to Guardian....
So this patch were horrible , said the Truth long time ago xd.
Told ya level 70 patch rip Tera.
TERA PC - General Discussion#271 Teekz04/10/2019, 07:51 PM
curious why EME bans people from their disc for asking questions kind of hard to support a game after behavior such as that, this and all the past mistakes.
TERA PC - General Discussion#272 Naru200804/10/2019, 08:01 PM
Teekz wrote: »
curious why EME bans people from their disc for asking questions kind of hard to support a game after behavior such as that, this and all the past mistakes.

They didn't ban people who asked questions. They banned folks who were spam-flooding the channel with quotes and memes, taking away from the discussion, and being over-all general asshats.

If you're going to accuse them of something, at the very least try to make it sound reasonable to someone who was in there while this happened and watched it happen live. Thanks.
TERA PC - General Discussion#273 SageWindu04/10/2019, 08:05 PM
HitAhARD16 wrote: »
kamizuma wrote: »
YWLD3DX3WH wrote: »
kamizuma wrote: »
I'm laughing when I hear people that say the economy would have "balanced" out. Personally, I got 55 mil from scolls but that doesn't really matter as much as the fact I was getting over 250+ mil an hour from selling random items at literally random prices. I just went through a single character pulling items from my bank listing them for 1-5 mil ea and I come back after playing a game of league and 90% of them sold rofl. You really REALLY think the economy will stabilize when I (and maybe 3 other people) would have probably ended up with 85%+ of the gold from this gold influx (because people love buying gear/mounts/rare costumes ect)?

You just answered your own question. Do you really think you and 3 other people could maintain a deathgrip on prices once that 85% you project ended up in your hands? You and I both know the answer as to what would happen with prices.

yes. it's very easy to control/inflate/outprice/manipulate items when you have most of the gold in the game. Even easier when there's a listing fee that you can easily afford to pay and others can't.

Literally why people like you shouldnt exist in the game, no one person should have that much influence over the TB, OK Halliburton? Ok Fanny May?

In direct response to this assertion, that's not entirely the fault of @kamizuma . Some games that have popular streamers (like this guy) cause massive shifts in item value simply by going "Okay. I had a thought, did a thing, and here's what happened." At least the guy in the link is self-aware enough to realize this and tries to hold off on the crazier setups until the season is almost over (to dissuade the sharks).

That being said, I'm not sure if TERA is one such game. If what I'm reading from @kamizuma is accurate, they're more or less saying "Yes, I'm making a killing, but it's more the game's fault for making it so easy for me to do this."

Not sure if that's a good thing, honestly...
Teekz wrote: »
curious why EME bans people from their disc for asking questions kind of hard to support a game after behavior such as that, this and all the past mistakes.

No one is getting banned for "asking questions." If you think you got banned as a result of a misunderstanding while the channel was memeing or something, or want your ban to be reconsidered, please send a support ticket.
Teekz wrote: »
curious why EME bans people from their disc for asking questions kind of hard to support a game after behavior such as that, this and all the past mistakes.

No one is getting banned for "asking questions." If you think you got banned as a result of a misunderstanding while the channel was memeing or something, or want your ban to be reconsidered, please send a support ticket.

Please send support ticket to not get a response, get ignored and not get the problem taking care of anyway.

TERA PC - General Discussion#276 tadaaaa04/10/2019, 08:10 PM
clfarron4 wrote: »
On the SES issue: Is that an issue, given the shortage of materials which has progressively made more and more people quit since this gearing system was introduced?

Yes it is. Golden talents and silver talents are not an easy thing to obtain on NA. While EU has very much easier time, NA has to wait for double vanguard event, and then grind for hours on Tier 1 IOD to get any decent amount of the talents. And even during those events the prices of the talents do not drop enough to go crazy on buying them.

When you mean "talents" are you also referring to silver talents? Because from my knowledge, those crates from those IOD vg quests don't give any silver talents just golden ones. Unless they reward silver talents now?
For doing nothing but selling unused scrolls? How many hours upon hours of playtime did those players spend to earn that much? There's no possible world where someone can say that this would be fair.

Where do you think those scrolls come from?
Farmed from IoD or something?
silver talents come from dungeon drops, I know that much. and they are pretty easy to get that way if you have a stable group to go with. And then there's the guardian legion thing (don't bother with the fighting ones without frostmetal)
tadaaaa wrote: »
clfarron4 wrote: »
On the SES issue: Is that an issue, given the shortage of materials which has progressively made more and more people quit since this gearing system was introduced?

Yes it is. Golden talents and silver talents are not an easy thing to obtain on NA. While EU has very much easier time, NA has to wait for double vanguard event, and then grind for hours on Tier 1 IOD to get any decent amount of the talents. And even during those events the prices of the talents do not drop enough to go crazy on buying them.

When you mean "talents" are you also referring to silver talents? Because from my knowledge, those crates from those IOD vg quests don't give any silver talents just golden ones. Unless they reward silver talents now?

Yes, I meant golden talents. The silver talents.... I still haven't figured out a way to get them without having to get strongbox keys and open talent boxes. Otherwise, you just running GG for 1-2 silver talents and dungeons on double drop.

Teekz wrote: »
curious why EME bans people from their disc for asking questions kind of hard to support a game after behavior such as that, this and all the past mistakes.

No one is getting banned for "asking questions." If you think you got banned as a result of a misunderstanding while the channel was memeing or something, or want your ban to be reconsidered, please send a support ticket.

Please send support ticket to not get a response, get ignored and not get the problem taking care of anyway.

We've reviewed and in some cases given people second chances after Discord bans were contested via support tickets before. It gets looked into.

If you have some ticket that you really don't feel got appropriate resolution, bump it and ask that it be reviewed. But all that is off-topic to this thread.
Lilienette wrote: »
silver talents come from dungeon drops, I know that much. and they are pretty easy to get that way if you have a stable group to go with. And then there's the guardian legion thing (don't bother with the fighting ones without frostmetal)

Quote, stable group. Which is hard to come by in Tera. Typically, static groups don't let many new people in and without static in Tera, you don't get much done.
If you watch twitch, a lot of streamers do just that. Run same dungeons everyday, with a static group. They are all in Stormy and or in Heroic Oath. Why? Because they have static group.
For doing nothing but selling unused scrolls? How many hours upon hours of playtime did those players spend to earn that much? There's no possible world where someone can say that this would be fair.

Where do you think those scrolls come from?
Farmed from IoD or something?

Everyone knows: from Elite Consumable Boxes. But they're there to allow you to spend more time in dungeons playing the game, not for people who didn't use them (but opened them prior to the patch so as to not lose the scrolls) to convert them into millions upon millions of gold. This has already been explained ad nauseum.
For doing nothing but selling unused scrolls? How many hours upon hours of playtime did those players spend to earn that much? There's no possible world where someone can say that this would be fair.

Where do you think those scrolls come from?
Farmed from IoD or something?

Everyone knows: from Elite Consumable Boxes. But they're there to allow you to spend more time in dungeons playing the game, not for people who didn't use them (but opened them prior to the patch so as to not lose the scrolls) to convert them into millions upon millions of gold. This has already been explained ad nauseum.

Seriously no reason to bring up the "millions and millions of gold" anymore. We get it, EME/BHS f'ed up, yet the player base is the one that wrong and exploited the game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#284 NerdFury04/10/2019, 08:19 PM
tadaaaa wrote: »
clfarron4 wrote: »
On the SES issue: Is that an issue, given the shortage of materials which has progressively made more and more people quit since this gearing system was introduced?

Yes it is. Golden talents and silver talents are not an easy thing to obtain on NA. While EU has very much easier time, NA has to wait for double vanguard event, and then grind for hours on Tier 1 IOD to get any decent amount of the talents. And even during those events the prices of the talents do not drop enough to go crazy on buying them.

When you mean "talents" are you also referring to silver talents? Because from my knowledge, those crates from those IOD vg quests don't give any silver talents just golden ones. Unless they reward silver talents now?

Yes, I meant golden talents. The silver talents.... I still haven't figured out a way to get them without having to get strongbox keys and open talent boxes. Otherwise, you just running GG for 1-2 silver talents and dungeons on double drop.

Farm corsairs on double credit weekends.

1 win is 100 silver talents
TERA PC - General Discussion#285 Kiymori04/10/2019, 08:20 PM
So quick question, what's the chances all the materials I spent going form Guardian to FM are just considered gone?
NerdFury wrote: »
tadaaaa wrote: »
clfarron4 wrote: »
On the SES issue: Is that an issue, given the shortage of materials which has progressively made more and more people quit since this gearing system was introduced?

Yes it is. Golden talents and silver talents are not an easy thing to obtain on NA. While EU has very much easier time, NA has to wait for double vanguard event, and then grind for hours on Tier 1 IOD to get any decent amount of the talents. And even during those events the prices of the talents do not drop enough to go crazy on buying them.

When you mean "talents" are you also referring to silver talents? Because from my knowledge, those crates from those IOD vg quests don't give any silver talents just golden ones. Unless they reward silver talents now?

Yes, I meant golden talents. The silver talents.... I still haven't figured out a way to get them without having to get strongbox keys and open talent boxes. Otherwise, you just running GG for 1-2 silver talents and dungeons on double drop.

Farm corsairs on double credit weekends.

1 win is 100 silver talents

No offense, but I'm not interested in the battlegrounds in this game. I do not like PVP and I did not decide to play this game 4 years ago because I wanted to PVP. While it is an option, there should be an option to get them without having to do battlegrounds in sufficient amount.
TERA PC - General Discussion#287 SageWindu04/10/2019, 08:20 PM
For doing nothing but selling unused scrolls? How many hours upon hours of playtime did those players spend to earn that much? There's no possible world where someone can say that this would be fair.

Where do you think those scrolls come from?
Farmed from IoD or something?

Elite players, for example, just got them. Login, click on the silver box, click on the silver box again (now in your inventory), boom: full suite of scrolls.

I have almost 600 unopened boxes in my bank. Had I opened everything and sold the scrolls, I would've had upwards of 9 million from just being online for maybe 30 minutes. And that's just from the Eta scrolls. Now imagine the people with a full roster of alts who happened to be maxed out on VG points...

It would've been a moot point anyway, as many people were either de-listing or buying items off the broker and then relisting them for like 5x their buying price.
TERA PC - General Discussion#288 Melyodis04/10/2019, 08:21 PM
when your butt hurt but keep posting in negative sh-it on forums . Its fun to watch them i think i should get some popcorn to watch all the butt hurt player speak its very entertain i wonder when they will stop talk about leaving and actually leave ...... 2 billion years later! where still here lol.

Best place to get silver talents is pvp. fast way is to buy from players.
For doing nothing but selling unused scrolls? How many hours upon hours of playtime did those players spend to earn that much? There's no possible world where someone can say that this would be fair.

Where do you think those scrolls come from?
Farmed from IoD or something?

Everyone knows: from Elite Consumable Boxes. But they're there to allow you to spend more time in dungeons playing the game, not for people who didn't use them (but opened them prior to the patch so as to not lose the scrolls) to convert them into millions upon millions of gold. This has already been explained ad nauseum.

Elite players , those that pay to play and keep the game going Get F**Ked here
Kiymori wrote: »
So quick question, what's the chances all the materials I spent going form Guardian to FM are just considered gone?

If you bought the materials after the patch was released, they are gone. If you had them before hand, they will still be there.
Kiymori wrote: »
So quick question, what's the chances all the materials I spent going form Guardian to FM are just considered gone?

Expect that everything should be the way it was just before the v80 patch maintenance (Tuesday's maintenance) began. So if you already had the mats in your inventory, they'll still be there.
Basically, we're moving to another world line.
TERA PC - General Discussion#293 SageWindu04/10/2019, 08:25 PM
Melyodis wrote: »
when your butt hurt but keep posting in negative sh-it on forums . Its fun to watch them i think i should get some popcorn to watch all the butt hurt player speak its very entertain i wonder when they will stop talk about leaving and actually leave ...... 2 billion years later! where still here lol.

Best place to get silver talents is pvp. fast way is to buy from players.

Forgive me, but I can't keep this to myself: do you get off on antagonizing people who are upset with the state of the game or something?
TERA PC - General Discussion#294 Kiymori04/10/2019, 08:26 PM
Alright well here is hoping. Essentially went something like this

1.Saved up materials in bag
2.Did some conversions for extra materials
3.Bought some EMP
4.Sold some items
5.Jumped from Guardian to FM
6.Went to bed
7.Woke up to Emergency Maint lol

So if you guys are right rage quitting wont be necessary. Appreciate the answers, I have played a few games in the past where Rollsbacks don't exactly restore all progress per say.
Kiymori wrote: »
Alright well here is hoping. Essentially went something like this

1.Saved up materials in bag
2.Did some conversions for extra materials
3.Bought some EMP
4.Sold some items
5.Jumped from Guardian to FM
6.Went to bed
7.Woke up to Emergency Maint lol

So if you guys are right rage quitting wont be necessary. Appreciate the answers, I have played a few games in the past where Rollsbacks don't exactly restore all progress per say.

If you did all this Tuesday night, but were at Step 1 before the v80 maintenance (Tuesday), you should be back at Step 1. All your gear should be at its prior state (from Tuesday morning, pre-patch). If you bought TERA items with your EMP, it should be back in item claim to take again.
what was the SES exploit?
TERA PC - General Discussion#297 SageWindu04/10/2019, 08:32 PM
NerdFury wrote: »
tadaaaa wrote: »
clfarron4 wrote: »
On the SES issue: Is that an issue, given the shortage of materials which has progressively made more and more people quit since this gearing system was introduced?

Yes it is. Golden talents and silver talents are not an easy thing to obtain on NA. While EU has very much easier time, NA has to wait for double vanguard event, and then grind for hours on Tier 1 IOD to get any decent amount of the talents. And even during those events the prices of the talents do not drop enough to go crazy on buying them.

When you mean "talents" are you also referring to silver talents? Because from my knowledge, those crates from those IOD vg quests don't give any silver talents just golden ones. Unless they reward silver talents now?

Yes, I meant golden talents. The silver talents.... I still haven't figured out a way to get them without having to get strongbox keys and open talent boxes. Otherwise, you just running GG for 1-2 silver talents and dungeons on double drop.

Farm corsairs on double credit weekends.

1 win is 100 silver talents

No offense, but I'm not interested in the battlegrounds in this game. I do not like PVP and I did not decide to play this game 4 years ago because I wanted to PVP. While it is an option, there should be an option to get them without having to do battlegrounds in sufficient amount.

Many people on this forum don't seem to understand that.

If I'm going to grind my socks off, I want to at least have some modicum of enjoyment in doing so. I'm with you here - PvP (Aside: the only BG I enjoyed was the Coliseum, as unbalanced as that was) is about as appealing to me as trying to swallow a pair of rusted pliers.
TERA PC - General Discussion#298 NerdFury04/10/2019, 08:33 PM
what was the SES exploit?

you could dismantle ses, get entropic emblems.

Buy the ses back, along with tons of gold/silver talents and keep repeating.
what was the SES exploit?

They could be dismantled at a much higher token price than the purchase price. So basically, it was an infinite dupe exploit. They were removed from purchase fairly quickly, but by then the damage had been done.
TERA PC - General Discussion#300 MrPhoenix04/10/2019, 08:35 PM
Naru2008 wrote: »
Teekz wrote: »
curious why EME bans people from their disc for asking questions kind of hard to support a game after behavior such as that, this and all the past mistakes.

They didn't ban people who asked questions. They banned folks who were spam-flooding the channel with quotes and memes, taking away from the discussion, and being over-all general asshats.

If you're going to accuse them of something, at the very least try to make it sound reasonable to someone who was in there while this happened and watched it happen live. Thanks.

i mean i was ip banned during the whole proxy situation? Why you ask. For saying that i've stopped believing in the company due to them making rash decisions. instantly banned after that.
TERA PC - General Discussion#301 Opal42104/10/2019, 08:36 PM
Lolitaa wrote: »
im angry, amused, and glad! thanks eme i get my elin costumes back that was basically stole from me :grin:
but big middle finger to you i spent last 14 hrs geting to 66 :D

Stole from you? I bet you are one of those people who sell costumes at 1m. ;)
TERA PC - General Discussion#302 SageWindu04/10/2019, 08:38 PM
@counterpoint Yo, question for you.

I bought some EMP and an item from the shop when the patch was still live. What happens there?
MrPhoenix wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
Teekz wrote: »
curious why EME bans people from their disc for asking questions kind of hard to support a game after behavior such as that, this and all the past mistakes.

They didn't ban people who asked questions. They banned folks who were spam-flooding the channel with quotes and memes, taking away from the discussion, and being over-all general asshats.

If you're going to accuse them of something, at the very least try to make it sound reasonable to someone who was in there while this happened and watched it happen live. Thanks.

i mean i was ip banned during the whole proxy situation? Why you ask. For saying that i've stopped believing in the company due to them making rash decisions. instantly banned after that.

It might be tricky to look that far back in the log at this time, but as one of the people who as there at the time, context is important. Although that might have been the last thing you posted, it's unlikely to have been the only thing you posted to lead to the conclusion.

In any case, as I said, we do review ban appeals. People don't get banned just for being critical, just as it is on the forum. And it's off-topic in this thread.


SageWindu wrote: »
@counterpoint Yo, question for you.

I bought some EMP and an item from the shop when the patch was still live. What happens there?

From what I understand, should be that the item you bought is back in Item Claim and able to be claimed again. If not definitely follow-up with support, but that's how it's supposed to work.
TERA PC - General Discussion#304 SageWindu04/10/2019, 08:44 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
@counterpoint Yo, question for you.

I bought some EMP and an item from the shop when the patch was still live. What happens there?

From what I understand, should be that the item you bought is back in Item Claim and able to be claimed again. If not definitely follow-up with support, but that's how it's supposed to work.

Ah, b*lls. I was hoping to get the EMP back as I immediately got buyer's remorse after using the item.

Ah well. :tongue:
TERA PC - General Discussion#305 Vendessa04/10/2019, 09:03 PM
Meningitis wrote: »
I'd like a rollback, please. I think it'd be wise. (Hope this isn't a dupe thread by the time I post it)

And regardless of if we get one or not I have this question for En Masse: for the sake of transparency, can you tell us how you came to the conclusion that this was the best course of action for reset scrolls? Or did you just blindly follow what the devs told you to do? Did bhs give you any reasoning? What do you think of the long term consequences of this decision?

You wanted the roll back? So I guess you're cool with how much time people wasted yesterday simply because you didnt benefit. Lets not forget that multiple people lvld to 66 last night and some even on their way to 67. Thats a lot of time commitment wasted. The way I see it, the players are being punished for eme being poor at their jobs and not ensuring the patch worked correctly. No 20% xp buff is going to make the time people wasted okay. This should be totally unacceptable. Complete trash decision.
TERA PC - General Discussion#306 MrPhoenix04/10/2019, 09:05 PM
LOOOL now reset scrolls aren't even sellable :)
TERA PC - General Discussion#307 sanj6604/10/2019, 09:08 PM
MrPhoenix wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
Teekz wrote: »
curious why EME bans people from their disc for asking questions kind of hard to support a game after behavior such as that, this and all the past mistakes.

They didn't ban people who asked questions. They banned folks who were spam-flooding the channel with quotes and memes, taking away from the discussion, and being over-all general asshats.

If you're going to accuse them of something, at the very least try to make it sound reasonable to someone who was in there while this happened and watched it happen live. Thanks.

i mean i was ip banned during the whole proxy situation? Why you ask. For saying that i've stopped believing in the company due to them making rash decisions. instantly banned after that.

It might be tricky to look that far back in the log at this time, but as one of the people who as there at the time, context is important. Although that might have been the last thing you posted, it's unlikely to have been the only thing you posted to lead to the conclusion.

In any case, as I said, we do review ban appeals. People don't get banned just for being critical, just as it is on the forum. And it's off-topic in this thread.


SageWindu wrote: »
@counterpoint Yo, question for you.

I bought some EMP and an item from the shop when the patch was still live. What happens there?

From what I understand, should be that the item you bought is back in Item Claim and able to be claimed again. If not definitely follow-up with support, but that's how it's supposed to work.

what about the state of scrolls currently they lied, lol, they didnt drastically make they less they made them completely unusable and unsellable. great job once again.
TERA PC - General Discussion#308 Kiymori04/10/2019, 09:11 PM
GG all my items in the Item claim were removed, including Anniversary Wings and anything I bought pre patch.
Teekz wrote: »
curious why EME bans people from their disc for asking questions kind of hard to support a game after behavior such as that, this and all the past mistakes.

I got banned on 3 accounts back during the proxy fiasco, first ban was completely unwarranted and the second two were.. well deserved. But yeah some eme discord mods have a hardon for banning people for the dumbest things. I even had one of the pc members look into it and the reason was "Conduct not allowed here" and my last message was.. "I'm going to eu". Hehe.
sanj66 wrote: »
what about the state of scrolls currently they lied, lol, they didnt drastically make they less they made them completely unusable and unsellable. great job once again.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with this, at least for now. It is always possible that they could change it to have some sort of sale value later once they can confirm for sure what the appropriate price is, or find some other way to convert them into something usable. At least there's room for further discussion with this approach.
TERA PC - General Discussion#311 TJukuren04/10/2019, 09:22 PM
EME BITES ZA DUSTO

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rollback, please. I think it'd be wise. (Hope this isn't a dupe thread by the time I post it)

And regardless of if we get one or not I have this question for En Masse: for the sake of transparency, can you tell us how you came to the conclusion that this was the best course of action for reset scrolls? Or did you just blindly follow what the devs told you to do? Did bhs give you any reasoning? What do you think of the long term consequences of this decision?[/quote]

You wanted the roll back? So I guess you're cool with how much time people wasted yesterday simply because you didnt benefit. Lets not forget that multiple people lvld to 66 last night and some even on their way to 67. Thats a lot of time commitment wasted. The way I see it, the players are being punished for eme being poor at their jobs and not ensuring the patch worked correctly. No 20% xp buff is going to make the time people wasted okay. This should be totally unacceptable. Complete trash decision.[/quote]

I totally agree with you. Not to mention most of the people crying for rollback were people who didn't get to buy the costumes first.
sanj66 wrote: »
what about the state of scrolls currently they lied, lol, they didnt drastically make they less they made them completely unusable and unsellable. great job once again.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with this, at least for now. It is always possible that they could change it to have some sort of sale value later once they can confirm for sure what the appropriate price is, or find some other way to convert them into something usable. At least there's room for further discussion with this approach; it's a sensible containment measure. If we want to have a discussion of what the right thing to do with the scrolls is, at least now we can have it.

Maybe if they could actually put everything back correctly. I used an additional character slot item and made a completely new character this morning and now I have no slot, no character, and the new slot item is gone completely. So glad I am trying to come back to this game lol

TERA PC - General Discussion#314 Kira9804/10/2019, 10:08 PM
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EME logic. We gonna fix a problem, but gonna make other. yeah!
N3XEFFEDEE wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
what about the state of scrolls currently they lied, lol, they didnt drastically make they less they made them completely unusable and unsellable. great job once again.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with this, at least for now. It is always possible that they could change it to have some sort of sale value later once they can confirm for sure what the appropriate price is, or find some other way to convert them into something usable. At least there's room for further discussion with this approach; it's a sensible containment measure. If we want to have a discussion of what the right thing to do with the scrolls is, at least now we can have it.

Maybe if they could actually put everything back correctly. I used an additional character slot item and made a completely new character this morning and now I have no slot, no character, and the new slot item is gone completely. So glad I am trying to come back to this game lol

Yes, this should not have happened. They're trying to fix it now. Your items should be back in Item Claim to use again once they fix it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#316 Reward04/10/2019, 10:19 PM
Literally started yesterday for the first time, lost everything from Twitch Prime Rewards...Nothing in Items Claim..I don't even care if my character got wiped...But now I cant even enjoy the game without those small rewards LOL...

I had a fun 6hr progress and free Elite Status, but this is where my journey ends..

Looking forward to 'Action RPG Pack #2' and I hope I don't get baited again haha!

Oh, they havent decided on the reset scroll sell price yet?

Pls double the reset scroll sell price, @BearShoes . Dont listen to those peanutbutterjelly peeple, the reset scroll sell price doesnt affect in-game economy. They lyin'!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Reward wrote: »
Literally started yesterday for the first time, lost everything from Twitch Prime Rewards...Nothing in Items Claim..I don't even care if my character got wiped...But now I cant even enjoy the game without those small rewards LOL...

They're working on fixing the Item Claim issue, so at least you should get these rewards back.
TERA PC - General Discussion#319 Zoknahal04/10/2019, 10:54 PM
Am im the only one who fears this "drastically reducing the price of Reset Scrolls" Will be a giant slap in the face to those who earned over 5 million gold originally?

Cause if you gonna reduce the sell back price, then at least, make em worth still something, dont just straight up make em "worthless"
Reward wrote: »
Literally started yesterday for the first time, lost everything from Twitch Prime Rewards...Nothing in Items Claim..I don't even care if my character got wiped...But now I cant even enjoy the game without those small rewards LOL...

They're working on fixing the Item Claim issue, so at least you should get these rewards back.

It would be nice to get them back the thing that is odd to me is the server screen says I have 3 characters but only shows me the two and won't let me create a new one so something screwed up in the database too :(
TERA PC - General Discussion#321 Teekz04/10/2019, 11:05 PM
Wasn't NA the last region to get this patch?
Do people have to do a charge back to recover the money they spent on EMP or what ?
N3XEFFEDEE wrote: »
Reward wrote: »
Literally started yesterday for the first time, lost everything from Twitch Prime Rewards...Nothing in Items Claim..I don't even care if my character got wiped...But now I cant even enjoy the game without those small rewards LOL...

They're working on fixing the Item Claim issue, so at least you should get these rewards back.

It would be nice to get them back the thing that is odd to me is the server screen says I have 3 characters but only shows me the two and won't let me create a new one so something screwed up in the database too :(

Could you send in a Support Ticket to EME about this issue? It sounds like this is something they have to clean-up on a case-by-case basis. But it's something they can definitely fix up for you.


Zoknahal wrote: »
Am im the only one who fears this "drastically reducing the price of Reset Scrolls" Will be a giant slap in the face to those who earned over 5 million gold originally?

Cause if you gonna reduce the sell back price, then at least, make em worth still something, dont just straight up make em "worthless"

Honestly, I think no matter what it'll definitely be a "massive slap in the face" compared to the millions upon millions people got before. The "fair value" for these unused scrolls isn't necessarily nothing, but it isn't all that high either. They're scrolls for people to play dungeons, not "compensation for the dungeons you never played". So whatever the price is, it shouldn't be in the "make me rich" territory at all. But probably should be something, anyway.


Do people have to do a charge back to recover the money they spent on EMP or what ?

You won't get the EMP back, but they are working on getting the items back in Item Claim. Hopefully they can post news about it soon.

Kinda fraudulant it sounds to me, while they earn interest on the RL money spent on EMP .. hmmm .. *Time to think*
TERA PC - General Discussion#325 Kiymori04/10/2019, 11:30 PM
Kinda fraudulant it sounds to me, while they earn interest on the RL money spent on EMP .. hmmm .. *Time to think*

I kinda want to buy more emp so I can do what I did prior to the emergency, but I will wait as I plan not to get burned out of my money a second time until they are sure they are doing working on this.
TERA PC - General Discussion#326 Vadla04/10/2019, 11:56 PM
Glad this got rolled back, I lost a day of what I did, but still these scrolls f**ked the economy up so badly, hopefully this temporary unsellable is permanent or at least capped nice and low
Just make the scrolls 10-20 gold each , just like every unusable item. That way people won't get 26 million gold and it won't scare away new and returning players.
TERA PC - General Discussion#328 Twick04/11/2019, 12:56 AM
Honestly, Thanks. I feel like everybody complains (sometimes it's deserved) But nobody ever stops crying. Thank you for the rollback. I know there are still issues and problems you guys are working on, but from the people that can actually stop complaining for 5 seconds. Thanks for doing something about it.
Just make the scrolls 10-20 gold each , just like every unusable item. That way people won't get 26 million gold and it won't scare away new and returning players.

And once again EMe would be the giant joke of all the tera communities. Every version of the game got some serious gold from their scrolls and the economy didn't shut down on any of them. ONLY on NA where people are stupid as hell and greedy as hell.

and weepers have already fulfilled their complaint but surprise the boxes that do not abbrev elite are worth nothing

well done by complainers
if he was a person he has things in the store

I would remove them and put another price after change reset scroll
TERA PC - General Discussion#331 Kiymori04/11/2019, 01:15 AM
Items at this point should be slowly being returned, the issue seems to have been resolved.
TERA PC - General Discussion#332 Teekz04/11/2019, 01:21 AM
Kiymori wrote: »
Items at this point should be slowly being returned, the issue seems to have been resolved.

should quickly be returned imo.
TERA PC - General Discussion#333 sanj6604/11/2019, 02:07 AM
Vadla wrote: »
Glad this got rolled back, I lost a day of what I did, but still these scrolls f**ked the economy up so badly, hopefully this temporary unsellable is permanent or at least capped nice and low

whats the point of having/keeping them then they dont even dismantle now to get tokens for coin refills like in ktera, its literally a waste of space and time and tbh all these things make elite irrelevant now in case you didnt know.
TERA PC - General Discussion#334 sanj6604/11/2019, 02:09 AM
sanj66 wrote: »
what about the state of scrolls currently they lied, lol, they didnt drastically make they less they made them completely unusable and unsellable. great job once again.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with this, at least for now. It is always possible that they could change it to have some sort of sale value later once they can confirm for sure what the appropriate price is, or find some other way to convert them into something usable. At least there's room for further discussion with this approach; it's a sensible containment measure. If we want to have a discussion of what the right thing to do with the scrolls is, at least now we can have it.

its wasting inventory/bank space, and no offence with the pet revamp coming soon as well i would not like to have anything in my pet inventory given the history of how bad this company is with screw ups and losing all my items in my 4 tabs of pet bank so all the bank/inventory space is required so thats why its important to get an answer are these scrolls going to be like this unlike every other region that got the chance to even dismantle it or are we the only region like always getting screwed over.
sanj66 wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
what about the state of scrolls currently they lied, lol, they didnt drastically make they less they made them completely unusable and unsellable. great job once again.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with this, at least for now. It is always possible that they could change it to have some sort of sale value later once they can confirm for sure what the appropriate price is, or find some other way to convert them into something usable. At least there's room for further discussion with this approach; it's a sensible containment measure. If we want to have a discussion of what the right thing to do with the scrolls is, at least now we can have it.

its wasting inventory/bank space, and no offence with the pet revamp coming soon as well i would not like to have anything in my pet inventory given the history of how bad this company is with screw ups and losing all my items in my 4 tabs of pet bank so all the bank/inventory space is required so thats why its important to get an answer are these scrolls going to be like this unlike every other region that got the chance to even dismantle it or are we the only region like always getting screwed over.

Since then they confirmed this to agree with my speculation:

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/31083/emergency-maintenance-4-10-9-45-am-pdt
"The following items are temporarily un-sellable while the prices are adjusted. DO NOT REMOVE THESE ITEMS IF YOU INTEND TO SELL THEM AT A LATER DATE."

So anyway, they know, but they just want to make sure they get the price right this time.
TERA PC - General Discussion#336 sanj6604/11/2019, 02:13 AM
Just make the scrolls 10-20 gold each , just like every unusable item. That way people won't get 26 million gold and it won't scare away new and returning players.

And once again EMe would be the giant joke of all the tera communities. Every version of the game got some serious gold from their scrolls and the economy didn't shut down on any of them. ONLY on NA where people are stupid as hell and greedy as hell.

how are the players stupid? they are not the ones who implemented the prices or resell rates, that was eme, it was also eme staff that told players there is going to be no roll back last night and basically set players up to waste their time and have to regrind with this pathetic form of compensation via 20% bonus exp lol, for losing an entire day's progress you get 20% bonus exp for 24 hours and you cant even decide when you can use it, cuz people could have grinded yesterday and not be on today and have their progress reverted and not be able to part take of the ridiculous 20% event. but hey you or me not having as much gold as other people is more important because people put their wants before their needs or dont understand the difference in both.
TERA PC - General Discussion#337 sanj6604/11/2019, 02:20 AM
sanj66 wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
what about the state of scrolls currently they lied, lol, they didnt drastically make they less they made them completely unusable and unsellable. great job once again.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with this, at least for now. It is always possible that they could change it to have some sort of sale value later once they can confirm for sure what the appropriate price is, or find some other way to convert them into something usable. At least there's room for further discussion with this approach; it's a sensible containment measure. If we want to have a discussion of what the right thing to do with the scrolls is, at least now we can have it.

its wasting inventory/bank space, and no offence with the pet revamp coming soon as well i would not like to have anything in my pet inventory given the history of how bad this company is with screw ups and losing all my items in my 4 tabs of pet bank so all the bank/inventory space is required so thats why its important to get an answer are these scrolls going to be like this unlike every other region that got the chance to even dismantle it or are we the only region like always getting screwed over.

Since then they confirmed this to agree with my speculation:

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/31083/emergency-maintenance-4-10-9-45-am-pdt
"The following items are temporarily un-sellable while the prices are adjusted. DO NOT REMOVE THESE ITEMS IF YOU INTEND TO SELL THEM AT A LATER DATE."

So anyway, they know, but they just want to make sure they get the price right this time.

also the new accessories are bugged, i upgraded one from t1 to t2 and it lost the stat lines, it went from having 5 power to 0 power the line isnt even there anymore....
> @Melyodis said:
> Then again na player base loves to cheat so we get punished for it.

Pretty much the real issue behind all of this.
TERA PC - General Discussion#339 xIopen3r04/11/2019, 03:21 AM
> @Melyodis said:
> Then again na player base loves to cheat so we get punished for it.

Pretty much the real issue behind all of this.

Yeah EmE screwed up ,big surprise, but players having outright braindead levels of intelligence to utterly break the games economy [filtered] over everyone who didnt cheat for MONTHS ON END and thinking that they wouldnt roll that back?

"B-b-but they SAID they wouldnt !"
You mean the same company that says a lot of things then does the opposite?


And people saying itll self correct after MONTHS of super inflated prices?

I mean damn...some real geniuses in here. Like really.

At this point I believe people are just trolling.
"B-b-but they SAID they wouldnt !"
You mean the same company that says a lot of things then does the opposite?

And just to be clear about this, they only said this before the news of the exploit was actually known to them, so timing matters a lot for the comment. If it had only been the original reset scroll thing, who knows where we'd be. But the SES exploit put it over the top.

So in this case it's a lot less of "saying one thing and doing the opposite" but more like "the circumstance got way worse all of a sudden and they took too long to revise their earlier conclusion".
> @Melyodis said:
> Then again na player base loves to cheat so we get punished for it.

Pretty much the real issue behind all of this.

Yeah EmE screwed up ,big surprise, but players having outright braindead levels of intelligence to utterly break the games economy [filtered] over everyone who didnt cheat for MONTHS ON END and thinking that they wouldnt roll that back?

"B-b-but they SAID they wouldnt !"
You mean the same company that says a lot of things then does the opposite?


And people saying itll self correct after MONTHS of super inflated prices?

I mean damn...some real geniuses in here. Like really.

Agree, it's the brainless player base that just went and bought the entire broker, not even a year was going to fix that.
I'd rather lose one day, instead of you know, grinding for months just to realize it's worthless
sanj66 wrote: »
Just make the scrolls 10-20 gold each , just like every unusable item. That way people won't get 26 million gold and it won't scare away new and returning players.

And once again EMe would be the giant joke of all the tera communities. Every version of the game got some serious gold from their scrolls and the economy didn't shut down on any of them. ONLY on NA where people are stupid as hell and greedy as hell.

how are the players stupid? they are not the ones who implemented the prices or resell rates, that was eme, it was also eme staff that told players there is going to be no roll back last night and basically set players up to waste their time and have to regrind with this pathetic form of compensation via 20% bonus exp lol, for losing an entire day's progress you get 20% bonus exp for 24 hours and you cant even decide when you can use it, cuz people could have grinded yesterday and not be on today and have their progress reverted and not be able to part take of the ridiculous 20% event. but hey you or me not having as much gold as other people is more important because people put their wants before their needs or dont understand the difference in both.

Do you really want me to explain all the ways NA player's are absolute morons, because you can't figure it out on your own? 1. Oh let's exploit this and then tell everyone about this exploit and then profit off of this exploit. 2. Oh I have great Idea, let's show how greedy NA is by upping the price of everything and scaring every new player out of the game.

Meanwhile players who spent yesterday getting their gear level up and trying to level to 66 got screwed over. I won't even delve into the number of people crying about how unfair the reset scrolls were because they didn't have any and it was unfair. Meanwhile, they could have used their vanguards to be buying them but they chose not to.

NA- Where people act like idiots and get's everyone else punished.

Eu- Where people made decent gold from their scrolls and still didn't turn into greed monsters ( Don't even get me started on the amount of gold EU made from their scrolls because it was a lot.)

The problem with NA is simply Greed rules 90% of the player base, and those of us who aren't greedy AF get screwed over in the end always.
TERA PC - General Discussion#343 SageWindu04/11/2019, 11:01 AM
The problem with NA is simply Greed rules 90% of the player base, and those of us who aren't greedy AF get screwed over in the end always.

Yeah, let's be real: NA-TERA has some of the most (proudly!) unscrupulous people I've come across in gaming (next to those people who wall-glitch in Overwatch). Remember that debacle with the Arsenal update and how the market blew up concerning... what was it? An item was about to go obsolete and someone (on the Council no less!) told a friend who then almost single-handedly caused a massive price hike on that item.
TERA PC - General Discussion#344 tisnotme04/11/2019, 11:56 AM
SageWindu wrote: »
The problem with NA is simply Greed rules 90% of the player base, and those of us who aren't greedy AF get screwed over in the end always.

Yeah, let's be real: NA-TERA has some of the most (proudly!) unscrupulous people I've come across in gaming (next to those people who wall-glitch in Overwatch). Remember that debacle with the Arsenal update and how the market blew up concerning... what was it? An item was about to go obsolete and someone (on the Council no less!) told a friend who then almost single-handedly caused a massive price hike on that item.

and remember how unfair that was and how they did a roll back ;) roles eyes instead and nothing happened to said exploiters
TERA PC - General Discussion#345 SageWindu04/11/2019, 12:55 PM
tisnotme wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
The problem with NA is simply Greed rules 90% of the player base, and those of us who aren't greedy AF get screwed over in the end always.

Yeah, let's be real: NA-TERA has some of the most (proudly!) unscrupulous people I've come across in gaming (next to those people who wall-glitch in Overwatch). Remember that debacle with the Arsenal update and how the market blew up concerning... what was it? An item was about to go obsolete and someone (on the Council no less!) told a friend who then almost single-handedly caused a massive price hike on that item.

and remember how unfair that was and how they did a roll back ;) roles eyes instead and nothing happened to said exploiters

Really, there was no perfect solution to this that would've benefited everyone. I'm apparently in the minority in saying this, but I'd much rather just start over with a clean(ish) slate than think about what would've happened had everything remained as it was.

I will admit, having a completely self-sustaining talent "engine" would've been nice. Ah well.
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tisnotme wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
The problem with NA is simply Greed rules 90% of the player base, and those of us who aren't greedy AF get screwed over in the end always.

Yeah, let's be real: NA-TERA has some of the most (proudly!) unscrupulous people I've come across in gaming (next to those people who wall-glitch in Overwatch). Remember that debacle with the Arsenal update and how the market blew up concerning... what was it? An item was about to go obsolete and someone (on the Council no less!) told a friend who then almost single-handedly caused a massive price hike on that item.

and remember how unfair that was and how they did a roll back ;) roles eyes instead and nothing happened to said exploiters

And remember those involved were not punished at all. Only the comunity got to pay for their greed.
Well I will say I was pleasantly surprised to see this issue fixed for me and my item returned same day. I am used to MMO support taking days especially on big issues like this to correct anything. Props to them for that
SageWindu wrote: »
The problem with NA is simply Greed rules 90% of the player base, and those of us who aren't greedy AF get screwed over in the end always.

Yeah, let's be real: NA-TERA has some of the most (proudly!) unscrupulous people I've come across in gaming (next to those people who wall-glitch in Overwatch). Remember that debacle with the Arsenal update and how the market blew up concerning... what was it? An item was about to go obsolete and someone (on the Council no less!) told a friend who then almost single-handedly caused a massive price hike on that item.

Oh yes, I remember that cancer and people being confused about what was even going on. *Sigh* I don't really understand this need for greed, yes having gold is nice but I think players forgot it's going to take around 2 million gold for level 65-70 because of the skills etc. instead of acting stupid with the gold people got with scrolls they should have banked it for when they hit 70. Now, people who have a hard time farming gold due to time etc will be screwed over when it comes to hitting 70.
TERA PC - General Discussion#349 Rockstars04/11/2019, 03:34 PM
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> Oh yes, I remember that cancer and people being confused about what was even going on. *Sigh* I don't really understand this need for greed, yes having gold is nice but I think players forgot it's going to take around 2 million gold for level 65-70 because of the skills etc. instead of acting stupid with the gold people got with scrolls they should have banked it for when they hit 70. Now, people who have a hard time farming gold due to time etc will be screwed over when it comes to hitting 70.

That is what people don’t realize. Then when it comes around people are going to whine about it being too expensive lmao.
SageWindu wrote: »
Remember that debacle with the Arsenal update and how the market blew up concerning... what was it? An item was about to go obsolete and someone (on the Council no less!) told a friend who then almost single-handedly caused a massive price hike on that item.

Although it's a side-topic, just because this false rumour never dies, no, Council did not know about it. It was a third-party group that EME was working with to prepare info for that patch. The fact that EME was working with a third-party group to share this kind of inside economic info that wasn't even discussed with Council was another facet of the issue. But as a result of the whole situation, both this third-party group and council were placed under NDA to be more safe in the future.
TERA PC - General Discussion#351 SageWindu04/11/2019, 06:46 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
Remember that debacle with the Arsenal update and how the market blew up concerning... what was it? An item was about to go obsolete and someone (on the Council no less!) told a friend who then almost single-handedly caused a massive price hike on that item.

Although it's a side-topic, just because this false rumour never dies, no, Council did not know about it. It was a third-party group that EME was working with to prepare info for that patch. The fact that EME was working with a third-party group to share this kind of inside economic info that wasn't even discussed with Council was another facet of the issue. But as a result of the whole situation, both this third-party group and council were placed under NDA to be more safe in the future.

Right, now I remember: someone from Essential Mana told the friend who then went and so on and so on. I also recall the whole NDA thing, leading to the Council not being to do what they were created to do. :confused:

Memory took a crap. I'll edit.
TERA PC - General Discussion#352 SageWindu04/11/2019, 06:48 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
The problem with NA is simply Greed rules 90% of the player base, and those of us who aren't greedy AF get screwed over in the end always.

Yeah, let's be real: NA-TERA has some of the most (proudly!) unscrupulous people I've come across in gaming (next to those people who wall-glitch in Overwatch). Remember that debacle with the Arsenal update and how the market blew up concerning... what was it? An item was about to go obsolete and someone (on the Council no less!) told a friend who then almost single-handedly caused a massive price hike on that item.

Oh yes, I remember that cancer and people being confused about what was even going on. *Sigh* I don't really understand this need for greed, yes having gold is nice but I think players forgot it's going to take around 2 million gold for level 65-70 because of the skills etc. instead of acting stupid with the gold people got with scrolls they should have banked it for when they hit 70. Now, people who have a hard time farming gold due to time etc will be screwed over when it comes to hitting 70.

This was probably the initial intent. It just so happened that - just like with the Arsenal update - the wrong person got the wrong idea at the wrong time.
TERA PC - General Discussion#353 voidy04/12/2019, 03:14 PM
sanj66 wrote: »
Just make the scrolls 10-20 gold each , just like every unusable item. That way people won't get 26 million gold and it won't scare away new and returning players.

And once again EMe would be the giant joke of all the tera communities. Every version of the game got some serious gold from their scrolls and the economy didn't shut down on any of them. ONLY on NA where people are stupid as hell and greedy as hell.

how are the players stupid? they are not the ones who implemented the prices or resell rates, that was eme, it was also eme staff that told players there is going to be no roll back last night and basically set players up to waste their time and have to regrind with this pathetic form of compensation via 20% bonus exp lol, for losing an entire day's progress you get 20% bonus exp for 24 hours and you cant even decide when you can use it, cuz people could have grinded yesterday and not be on today and have their progress reverted and not be able to part take of the ridiculous 20% event. but hey you or me not having as much gold as other people is more important because people put their wants before their needs or dont understand the difference in both.

Do you really want me to explain all the ways NA player's are absolute morons, because you can't figure it out on your own? 1. Oh let's exploit this and then tell everyone about this exploit and then profit off of this exploit. 2. Oh I have great Idea, let's show how greedy NA is by upping the price of everything and scaring every new player out of the game.
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NA- Where people act like idiots and get's everyone else punished.

Eu- Where people made decent gold from their scrolls and still didn't turn into greed monsters ( Don't even get me started on the amount of gold RU made from their scrolls because it was a lot.)

The problem with NA is simply Greed rules 90% of the player base,

The reason our prices skyrocketed wasn't because north american players are necessarily greedier than everyone else. It was because we had waaaaaaaaaaaaay more reset scrolls in circulation than any other version of the game. EU's elite box didn't hand out reset scrolls like ours does, so EU didn't have hundreds of people waking up and becoming multi-millionaires. Therefore, EU didn't have to deal with hyperinflation. What you saw on the market was a natural consequence of too much money being poured into the economy at once, because when people have ridiculous amounts of money, they're always more willing to spend more on competitive goods since they have the extra money to spend. This is entry level economic theory that occurs everywhere; it isn't unique to NA Tera. Under similar conditions, it would have happened in EU as well. Heck, even EME admits that the values were too large and that is what adversely affected the economy; it's why they rolled things back in the first place.

The semis on the other hand, I've truly no idea. We get identical builds so I'd have to assume EU had something similar, but the EU and NA teams are also wildly different. NA's seems like a skeleton crew with barely a dev team to speak of, while EU seems to have a functioning staff. So who knows. Maybe they caught it and patched it before it even went live.
TERA PC - General Discussion#354 clfarron404/12/2019, 05:35 PM
voidy wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
Just make the scrolls 10-20 gold each , just like every unusable item. That way people won't get 26 million gold and it won't scare away new and returning players.

And once again EMe would be the giant joke of all the tera communities. Every version of the game got some serious gold from their scrolls and the economy didn't shut down on any of them. ONLY on NA where people are stupid as hell and greedy as hell.

how are the players stupid? they are not the ones who implemented the prices or resell rates, that was eme, it was also eme staff that told players there is going to be no roll back last night and basically set players up to waste their time and have to regrind with this pathetic form of compensation via 20% bonus exp lol, for losing an entire day's progress you get 20% bonus exp for 24 hours and you cant even decide when you can use it, cuz people could have grinded yesterday and not be on today and have their progress reverted and not be able to part take of the ridiculous 20% event. but hey you or me not having as much gold as other people is more important because people put their wants before their needs or dont understand the difference in both.

Do you really want me to explain all the ways NA player's are absolute morons, because you can't figure it out on your own? 1. Oh let's exploit this and then tell everyone about this exploit and then profit off of this exploit. 2. Oh I have great Idea, let's show how greedy NA is by upping the price of everything and scaring every new player out of the game.
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NA- Where people act like idiots and get's everyone else punished.

Eu- Where people made decent gold from their scrolls and still didn't turn into greed monsters ( Don't even get me started on the amount of gold RU made from their scrolls because it was a lot.)

The problem with NA is simply Greed rules 90% of the player base,

The semis on the other hand, I've truly no idea. We get identical builds so I'd have to assume EU had something similar, but the EU and NA teams are also wildly different. NA's seems like a skeleton crew with barely a dev team to speak of, while EU seems to have a functioning staff capable of implementing unique content and listening to player feedback. So who knows. Maybe they caught it and patched it before it even went live.

On EU, the majority of the semis you'd get were non-tradeable and thus valued less than the tradeable ones. Also, the model for getting semis included being able to buy them whenever you want from Elleon's Tokens (which can also be used on other materials such as Gold Talents), so I think that most players as a result wouldn't have thousands of semis stocked up in the same way as NA players would.

Also, the wild cost of Entropics shows that patches have to be applied after shipping the International build and somehow the one's for semis borked. As a result, NA players now have KTERA rates for semis (enabling players to make millions, even after the rollback), something that was deliberately changed when the gear revamp happened to prevent players from making millions.
clfarron4 wrote: »
voidy wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
Just make the scrolls 10-20 gold each , just like every unusable item. That way people won't get 26 million gold and it won't scare away new and returning players.

And once again EMe would be the giant joke of all the tera communities. Every version of the game got some serious gold from their scrolls and the economy didn't shut down on any of them. ONLY on NA where people are stupid as hell and greedy as hell.

how are the players stupid? they are not the ones who implemented the prices or resell rates, that was eme, it was also eme staff that told players there is going to be no roll back last night and basically set players up to waste their time and have to regrind with this pathetic form of compensation via 20% bonus exp lol, for losing an entire day's progress you get 20% bonus exp for 24 hours and you cant even decide when you can use it, cuz people could have grinded yesterday and not be on today and have their progress reverted and not be able to part take of the ridiculous 20% event. but hey you or me not having as much gold as other people is more important because people put their wants before their needs or dont understand the difference in both.

Do you really want me to explain all the ways NA player's are absolute morons, because you can't figure it out on your own? 1. Oh let's exploit this and then tell everyone about this exploit and then profit off of this exploit. 2. Oh I have great Idea, let's show how greedy NA is by upping the price of everything and scaring every new player out of the game.
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NA- Where people act like idiots and get's everyone else punished.

Eu- Where people made decent gold from their scrolls and still didn't turn into greed monsters ( Don't even get me started on the amount of gold RU made from their scrolls because it was a lot.)

The problem with NA is simply Greed rules 90% of the player base,

The semis on the other hand, I've truly no idea. We get identical builds so I'd have to assume EU had something similar, but the EU and NA teams are also wildly different. NA's seems like a skeleton crew with barely a dev team to speak of, while EU seems to have a functioning staff capable of implementing unique content and listening to player feedback. So who knows. Maybe they caught it and patched it before it even went live.

On EU, the majority of the semis you'd get were non-tradeable and thus valued less than the tradeable ones. Also, the model for getting semis included being able to buy them whenever you want from Elleon's Tokens (which can also be used on other materials such as Gold Talents), so I think that most players as a result wouldn't have thousands of semis stocked up in the same way as NA players would.

Also, the wild cost of Entropics shows that patches have to be applied after shipping the International build and somehow the one's for semis borked. As a result, NA players now have KTERA rates for semis (enabling players to make millions, even after the rollback), something that was deliberately changed when the gear revamp happened to prevent players from making millions.

Man you're just rambling nonsense. Do you even know when the Entropic patch was released ?... it was 2 years ago... whatever semis that was heavily injected in the market back then as the result of jackpots and what not would have diminished by now because how the game forced players to consume whatever they had to aid their enchantment. The only way you would have "millions" is if you went into hiatus and just woke up from a long coma.
Also, I wouldn't be foolish to waste my semis in any form seeing the source of obtaining them was cut off.

Well, a lot of people did just take the opportunity to "cash out", but you're right: it's basically a gamble. Now that the primary supply was cut-off, they'll become more rare. What ways will be introduced to acquire them going forward? Unclear. As was said, our region was always unique in the way they were more-available, so it does seem like this change is part of the continued path to bring the regions more into alignment with each other.
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