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TERA PC - General Discussion: About the new "event"
The truth was excited by the new event that were going to develop these two weeks, so that "oh, surprise, surprise ..." takes me a terrible disappointment!

The truth is that I can not believe how badly it works, informing its users whether they are new or old, they can not do anything right!

In the news of the event it CLEARLY says that the scroll does not go down beyond +5 of enchantment and "oh surprise!" it's only valid for frost and twishard! The stromcry if you can get down to +0 of enchant! What do they do for an event if they only give half the information and make promises without fulfilling ?!

Right now I want my stromcry team not to go further than +5! If they say something hacerlon well and comply not that they are arranging the news apra that is in their opinion, and they missed so if they err load with the consequences and meet their users as they should! They stop making false publicity about an event that is not how you say it is!
@KitTeaCup @CobaltDragon

To sum up what this person is saying, the event page said that gear will not go below +5 on the degrading chance scrolls (for ANY gear, it doesn't specify twist or frost). However, the scrolls themselves say that storm can go to +0, which is NOT what was stated on your page.
Not that surprised tbh. I haven't seen an event without typos or important information missing.
TERA PC - General Discussion#4 TJKat11/27/2018, 09:08 PM
I was really disappointed to see that too. I was excited to get a stormcry scroll, then really let down by the surprise that it could drop stormcry gear to 0.
Sorry, I use a translator because my English is very bad! The last paragraph says "Right now I want my stormcry team not to go beyond +5! If you say something, do not do it in half! Stop arranging the news and the archives of the events as they say they have to be and if they were wrong to carry the consequences, they stop doing false advertising about an event that is not what you say it is! "
Ha Ha Ha....wow, and I almost thought it was too good to be true. Eh, another day in Tera where disappointment is a common place.
the whole event seems to revolve around pushing people to try Bahaar's Sanctum, but unless someone only uses the non-degrade scrolls this whole event is a joke. Nobody in their right mind will use these scrolls on mid-high sc gear unless they can afford the risk, and you'll probably have a higher chance of hitting +0 than +9.

This event is also a flop just because it only works on weapons/gloves, the first thing most people enchant anyways, unless you're a healing class. In order to even be remotely close to an ilvl of 456 to touch bahaar you pretty much need full Heroic gear. I'd much rather prefer EU's current event where the success rates are boosted for everything including stormcry. This event seems to be catering towards alts or lesser experienced players.
The whole event is BS. Nuff said.
Meanwhile EU 2x enchanting event...
TERA PC - General Discussion#10 Based1211/27/2018, 10:42 PM
This event is horrible.

Not only you can degrade stormcry easily, but the scrolls are locked to a specific gear piece. So if you're a dps class that has stormcry weap+gloves, and you get the scroll to enhance frostmetal gloves, you can just go and delete that scroll because it's useless.

They made it so gear has exp and upgrades, and then expect people to have alts anyways so all the scrolls can be used? Seriously who thought it was a good idea to make scrolls for specific gear pieces, instead of just the whole set, should be fired.

Just make it so the scrolls ugprade ANY gear piece.

Also there's no information about the success chance of said scrolls, it might even be better to just keep upgrading with mats.
TERA PC - General Discussion#11 Zoknahal11/27/2018, 10:54 PM
I believe this event is more tailored towards newer players that have yet to reach stormcry gear or are just achieving it. Is not meant to be an event for veteran players that have Stormcry gear enchanted pass +6.

For newer players, is basically a free attempt at enchanting, no gold or materials involved. But using any other scroll that isnt the top tier one, to enchant Stormcry, is a really big risk, and you basically taking a gamble on it.

Players with SC +6 and above are better farming materials and enchanting the regular way, than to use the scrolls. If however you get the top tier scroll, go for it and use it, since that one doesnt have any risk of downgrading your gear.
TERA PC - General Discussion#12 Based1211/27/2018, 10:56 PM
Zoknahal wrote: »
I believe this event is more tailored towards newer players that have yet to reach stormcry gear or are just achieving it. Is not meant to be an event for veteran players that have Stormcry gear enchanted pass +6.

For newer players, is basically a free attempt at enchanting, no gold or materials involved. But using any other scroll that isnt the top tier one, to enchant Stormcry, is a really big risk, and you basically taking a gamble on it.

Players with SC +6 and above are better farming materials and enchanting the regular way, than to use the scrolls. If however you get the top tier scroll, go for it and use it, since that one doesnt have any risk of downgrading your gear.

I started playing 5 days ago, i don't even have the 6 days buff.

I have SC weap+gloves, both +0, and frostmetal chest and boots. I got a frostmetal HANDWEAR scroll, that i won't be using.

Also new players won't have alts to pass the scroll to.

This event is aimed at 100% new players that have just reached lvl 65 and have no currency whatsoever. Us players transitioning to SC are being f*cked hard.
Has anyone got those box from dungeons lower than 439? I did like three rounds and got nothing but with 439 or higher I get one every run.
Has anyone got those box from dungeons lower than 439? I did like three rounds and got nothing but with 439 or higher I get one every run.

From 10+ dung i did today just 2boxes drop and the scrolls just don't give me nothing good. :s :s :s
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TERA PC - General Discussion#16 Rox11/27/2018, 11:15 PM
Hey everyone, based on my datasheet digging, it appears that not even Stormcry is subject to degrading below +5.

That appears to be a mistranslation, BUT I will keep digging and get fixed tooltips pushed out ASAP if that ends up being the case.
Even without misinformation and typos, chance to degrade is pretty dang bad. There's a reason that stuff was thrown out in the old +15 days. It's cancerous.
TERA PC - General Discussion#18 Rox11/28/2018, 12:36 AM
Update for tooltips on these scrolls now live (Live-76-04-01-EN4). Thank you for the reports everyone.
TERA PC - General Discussion#19 Ketoth11/28/2018, 12:50 AM
Meningitis wrote: »
Even without misinformation and typos, chance to degrade is pretty dang bad. There's a reason that stuff was thrown out in the old +15 days. It's cancerous.

you not wasting any materials to enchant your gear is reason why it can downgrade
Downgrading (or further) will require even more materials to enchant back to where you were if scroll RNG keeps failing on you. The fact that the rates will obviously be low does not encourage anyone in their right mind to use the RNG scrolls past Stormcry weapon +6 and higher.
well, im gues my alts stay in +5 frosmetal
How do you even get one of those boxes? I thought it was an event click on window thats posted right on the elite bar.
LancerJiva wrote: »
How do you even get one of those boxes? I thought it was an event click on window thats posted right on the elite bar.

event tab
This event might not be that bad after all because a player can get up to +5 with scrolls that can downgrade since +5 is the minimum then either try with more scrolls that can downgrade and hope to get lucky for +6 or +7 and if it failed then repeat the same thing.. OR go up to +5 with scrolls that can downgrade since the downgrade cannot go below +5 and then push above +5 with scrolls that do not downgrade at all?

I have to run some tests sometimes later with a bunch of scrolls to see where i can end up ( i like a lot the fact that we cannot go below +5SC since it is a very very nice thing ).


p.s. should we expect another event for chest/boots sometimes later
Nice meme ... NICE EVENT ... you love making us lose gold, time (because the experience of the weapon is also lost) ... or do you think that motivates me to invest more hours in the game? ... no, you're wrong ... it motivates me to stop playing in NA with their useless events
yeah this is [filtered]...more and more reasons to stop playing.
So, just so everyone's clear, even Stormcry gear as well cannot degrade below +5. The original tooltip (that said that Stormcry gear degrade to +0) was false? I think that's what Rox said.
TERA PC - General Discussion#28 Based1211/28/2018, 10:41 AM
You have to get a stormcry scroll first though, you get 3 chances per day, some days 6 chances, and it's not looking good. Another event which involves RNG and definately doesn't half the people playing.

Just bring back triple drop eme.
TERA PC - General Discussion#29 Pwhoops11/28/2018, 11:27 AM
This event is not worth it tbh, unless you get the rare scroll that doesn’t downgrade.

@Rox do us all a favor and reduce the enchantment sucess, but get rid of the downgrade feature. Like stated above, you could end up losing more than what you’re gaining if you try to enchant past +6.
TERA PC - General Discussion#30 Serenade11/28/2018, 02:25 PM
Couldn't you guys just use the scrolls on your alts though? Reducing the enchant success hurts newer players that would benefit most from this event.
TERA PC - General Discussion#31 Based1211/28/2018, 04:18 PM
Serenade wrote: »
Couldn't you guys just use the scrolls on your alts though? Reducing the enchant success hurts newer players that would benefit most from this event.

People need to F*CKING STOP thinking everyone has alts like it's mandatory.
Based12 wrote: »
Serenade wrote: »
Couldn't you guys just use the scrolls on your alts though? Reducing the enchant success hurts newer players that would benefit most from this event.

People need to F*CKING STOP thinking everyone has alts like it's mandatory.

While I certainly agree with your, er... outburst, you sort of do need alts in this game, if only to keep ahead of the arbitrary power curves that BHS likes to throw at their players (word is there's another buff for warriors coming down the line). And that's before getting into other factors like the whole dungeon entry system.
TERA PC - General Discussion#33 Vinidark11/28/2018, 06:09 PM
I ran several dungeons today and didn't get any boxes, I have 2 keys and no boxes...seems they just don't drop
TERA PC - General Discussion#34 Rox11/28/2018, 07:06 PM
For me, I see the event as a good way to get characters through 1-5 on twist/frost/storm. After that I'd only use the no-degrade variant of the scrolls on 6-9, and save the rest for alts (possibly in the future, just left in bank).

This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry, and less so helping Stormcry reach Heroic Oath.
TERA PC - General Discussion#35 McThicc11/28/2018, 07:26 PM
Rox wrote: »
For me, I see the event as a good way to get characters through 1-5 on twist/frost/storm. After that I'd only use the no-degrade variant of the scrolls on 6-9, and save the rest for alts (possibly in the future, just left in bank).

This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry, and less so helping Stormcry reach Heroic Oath.

With all these new events its very obvious how you guys favor the newer players more, and push the dedicated players with higher gear into the corner. Shouldn't have even bothered mentioning Bahaar in the event announcement because nobody in frostmetal will touch that, not even people in stormcry. Its easier for you to have an opinion because 1) it seems like you don't play the game to understand our pain, and 2) you're able to just spawn yourself gear with gm powers, so gearing up isn't an issue to you. This is why the community is pushing for CMs that actually play the game because interacting with you guys is just like talking to a wall.
McThicc wrote: »
Rox wrote: »
For me, I see the event as a good way to get characters through 1-5 on twist/frost/storm. After that I'd only use the no-degrade variant of the scrolls on 6-9, and save the rest for alts (possibly in the future, just left in bank).

This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry, and less so helping Stormcry reach Heroic Oath.

With all these new events its very obvious how you guys favor the newer players more, and push the dedicated players with higher gear into the corner. Shouldn't have even bothered mentioning Bahaar in the event announcement because nobody in frostmetal will touch that, not even people in stormcry. Its easier for you to have an opinion because 1) it seems like you don't play the game to understand our pain, and 2) you're able to just spawn yourself gear with gm powers, so gearing up isn't an issue to you. This is why the community is pushing for CMs that actually play the game because interacting with you guys is just like talking to a wall.

So what do you want them to do? You're just clamoring about feeling left on the side without saying why you feel like being left on the side. You mention Bahaar, but that requires a ludicrous gear score that most people won't (or can't, or have no patience to) obtain. So what is your complaint exactly?

A problem can't be fixed if people don't know what the problem even is.
TERA PC - General Discussion#37 McThicc11/28/2018, 08:19 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
McThicc wrote: »
Rox wrote: »
For me, I see the event as a good way to get characters through 1-5 on twist/frost/storm. After that I'd only use the no-degrade variant of the scrolls on 6-9, and save the rest for alts (possibly in the future, just left in bank).

This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry, and less so helping Stormcry reach Heroic Oath.

With all these new events its very obvious how you guys favor the newer players more, and push the dedicated players with higher gear into the corner. Shouldn't have even bothered mentioning Bahaar in the event announcement because nobody in frostmetal will touch that, not even people in stormcry. Its easier for you to have an opinion because 1) it seems like you don't play the game to understand our pain, and 2) you're able to just spawn yourself gear with gm powers, so gearing up isn't an issue to you. This is why the community is pushing for CMs that actually play the game because interacting with you guys is just like talking to a wall.

So what do you want them to do? You're just clamoring about feeling left on the side without saying why you feel like being left on the side. You mention Bahaar, but that requires a ludicrous gear score that most people won't (or can't, or have no patience to) obtain. So what is your complaint exactly?

A problem can't be fixed if people don't know what the problem even is.

I mentioned Bahaar because the announcement of this event mentioned Bahaar. If they had no intention of actually helping us get remotely close to heroic they shouldn't have even mentioned it. Yes it could've just been for show and the whole lady tanly thing, but "The god Bahaar is coming and this world is going to need anyone who can, to stand up and fight for our survival! I know many of you don’t have tip-top gear for battling gods, so for two weeks, I’m releasing my secret enchanting scrolls to help everyone PunchUp their gear." sounds very misleading. Im also aware that nothing should be hand-fed to us, because higher gear would become more obsolete as everyone will have some, but these scrolls are just a slap in the face.

As a dps main weapon/gloves are the first things that are enchanted. If this also applied to boots and chest it would've been much more helpful. The PunchUp scrolls don't drop often so its going to take endless farming just to get a few if your rng is good, some people are only getting 1 box every 5 runs, and they usually aren't the rare ones. It also seems that you only have a less than 20% success rate, so even if you managed to get your hands on some for a safe chance, you'll probably just burn through these with not much success (if you're fortunate enough to even get one for stormcry). The EU event that offered 1.5x for stormcry and 2x for frost, which i'd much rather have than a vague scroll that nobody really knows much about, since that at least works on ALL gear, including accessories.
TERA PC - General Discussion#38 Pwhoops11/28/2018, 09:21 PM
@Rox Keep thinking this is a good event lol.
Rox wrote: »
For me, I see the event as a good way to get characters through 1-5 on twist/frost/storm. After that I'd only use the no-degrade variant of the scrolls on 6-9, and save the rest for alts (possibly in the future, just left in bank).

This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry, and less so helping Stormcry reach Heroic Oath.

will be true if Tanly rare scroll case drop only blesed/noble scrolls (frosmetal/sc +1 and no dregade +1)
but rare scroll crane droops all kinds of them , so im cant get 54 rare scrolls cases and get 54 polishup weapon enchant for weapon for frosmetal
TERA PC - General Discussion#40 Based1211/28/2018, 10:21 PM
Rox wrote: »
For me, I see the event as a good way to get characters through 1-5 on twist/frost/storm. After that I'd only use the no-degrade variant of the scrolls on 6-9, and save the rest for alts (possibly in the future, just left in bank).

This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry, and less so helping Stormcry reach Heroic Oath.

It's a way of upgrading, not a good one.

When failing you don't get better succes chance on the next try, the scrolls are very limited and the rare crates are EXTREMELY rare. If you guys aimed at people progressing from FM to SC, then you shouldn't have limited the gear you can enchant. And healers upgrade chest/boots which there are no scrolls for, lol. The first thing the rest upgrades are weap/gloves, so people actually transitioning from FM to SC that have SC weap/gloves and rest FM, won't be using most of these scrolls.

Also the success chance of the scrolls are terrible, unable to upgrade SC to +1 with 3 scrolls already.
McThicc wrote: »
I mentioned Bahaar because the announcement of this event mentioned Bahaar. If they had no intention of actually helping us get remotely close to heroic they shouldn't have even mentioned it. Yes it could've just been for show and the whole lady tanly thing, but "The god Bahaar is coming and this world is going to need anyone who can, to stand up and fight for our survival! I know many of you don’t have tip-top gear for battling gods, so for two weeks, I’m releasing my secret enchanting scrolls to help everyone PunchUp their gear." sounds very misleading. Im also aware that nothing should be hand-fed to us, because higher gear would become more obsolete as everyone will have some, but these scrolls are just a slap in the face.

Yeah if scrolls are as likely to downgrade gear as I think, then these aren't really making any significant contribution to gear acceleration if the intent is to get players Bahaar-ready. Like even excluding the downgrading possibility, it does not include accessories, which are not unimportant to stat growth and item level, and Heroic Oath enchantment is a whole different ballpark that isn't encompassed.

However, to my understanding, this was originally a kTERA event, and we're receiving it just the way it was there, here.
Based12 wrote: »
Rox wrote: »
For me, I see the event as a good way to get characters through 1-5 on twist/frost/storm. After that I'd only use the no-degrade variant of the scrolls on 6-9, and save the rest for alts (possibly in the future, just left in bank).

This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry, and less so helping Stormcry reach Heroic Oath.

It's a way of upgrading, not a good one.

When failing you don't get better succes chance on the next try, the scrolls are very limited and the rare crates are EXTREMELY rare. If you guys aimed at people progressing from FM to SC, then you shouldn't have limited the gear you can enchant. And healers upgrade chest/boots which there are no scrolls for, lol. The first thing the rest upgrades are weap/gloves, so people actually transitioning from FM to SC that have SC weap/gloves and rest FM, won't be using most of these scrolls.

Also the success chance of the scrolls are terrible, unable to upgrade SC to +1 with 3 scrolls already.

rare cranes droops from lv 453 dungeons
maybe have low rate in under lv 446 dungeos

but rare cranes droops all kinds of scrolls, the rate droop of rare cranes is no the problem
TERA PC - General Discussion#43 Based1211/28/2018, 11:27 PM
Based12 wrote: »
Rox wrote: »
For me, I see the event as a good way to get characters through 1-5 on twist/frost/storm. After that I'd only use the no-degrade variant of the scrolls on 6-9, and save the rest for alts (possibly in the future, just left in bank).

This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry, and less so helping Stormcry reach Heroic Oath.

It's a way of upgrading, not a good one.

When failing you don't get better succes chance on the next try, the scrolls are very limited and the rare crates are EXTREMELY rare. If you guys aimed at people progressing from FM to SC, then you shouldn't have limited the gear you can enchant. And healers upgrade chest/boots which there are no scrolls for, lol. The first thing the rest upgrades are weap/gloves, so people actually transitioning from FM to SC that have SC weap/gloves and rest FM, won't be using most of these scrolls.

Also the success chance of the scrolls are terrible, unable to upgrade SC to +1 with 3 scrolls already.

rare cranes droops from lv 453 dungeons
maybe have low rate in under lv 446 dungeos

but rare cranes droops all kinds of scrolls, the rate droop of rare cranes is no the problem

Really? So you need full SC gear to run 453 dungeons, to obtain scrolls for an event that's not aimed for people in full SC.

Great event.
It is nice to help with Twistshard/Frostmetal but that is fodder gear meant for alts at this moment and the more important is Stormcry to close to gap from Heroic Oath gear.

The problem is that we can get a fixed amount of 54 keys with the login system that can open 54 rare boxes which are not easy to get and from those 54 boxes we will end up with half the scrolls to enchant Frostmetal and half to enchant Stormcry from which the half made for Stormcry are halved even more for weapon/gloves .. Then the scrolls "sometimes" enchant Stormcry so a player can use even 10 scrolls at +2SC and still not get anything.

I guess that i am going to have to enchant some alts with Frostmetal xD

TERA PC - General Discussion#45 TJKat11/29/2018, 12:53 AM
I'm curious what the point of the login/gather tears portion of the even is? With the abysmal drop rate of even the normal chests, the whole 'earn tears to combine with the login box to get keys' mechanic is completely superfluous. By the time you get enough boxes in the first few days, you should have enough tears for the whole event clogging up your inventory. Didn't it occur to anyone that when you get 1-3 tears per dungeon, but aren't guaranteed one chest per dungeon, there's no point to the tears?
TERA PC - General Discussion#46 Based1211/29/2018, 01:11 AM
TJKat wrote: »
I'm curious what the point of the login/gather tears portion of the even is? With the abysmal drop rate of even the normal chests, the whole 'earn tears to combine with the login box to get keys' mechanic is completely superfluous. By the time you get enough boxes in the first few days, you should have enough tears for the whole event clogging up your inventory. Didn't it occur to anyone that when you get 1-3 tears per dungeon, but aren't guaranteed one chest per dungeon, there's no point to the tears?

It's all wrong, you could be sitting in tons of chests and tears, and u still depend on the daily reward.

I have chests and tears for DAYS, it makes no sense to give everyone so many tears if we are limited.
-TFW you decide to give the game another try, don't know what all the updates are about because 2 lazy to read all the changes
-have +7 sc wep, notices event can upgrade (didn't read fine print)
-drops to +5
-Poor
-uninstalls

Thanks tera online for the amazing event, not everyone hardcore, an extremely high fail rate would have been fine buy why degrade peoples stuff...
TERA PC - General Discussion#48 Vy1Vivi11/29/2018, 02:14 AM
Rox wrote: »
For me, I see the event as a good way to get characters through 1-5 on twist/frost/storm. After that I'd only use the no-degrade variant of the scrolls on 6-9, and save the rest for alts (possibly in the future, just left in bank).

This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry, and less so helping Stormcry reach Heroic Oath.

"This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry" ...You guys really don't play this game at all that much do you? From the way you say that, its like initially you guys didn't even know what the hell you were doing when you were creating this event, and now you're starting to see what its doing and you're just making confirmations that everyone else, the actual players, have already made.

If you were just going to make this event with intentions only to help new players then just say that from the beginning. Bottom line is that this event is terrible for people who have base stormcry and up, and we've already had events in the past that helped people gear up to storm cry. I think its about high time people with stormcry get an enchanting event of their own. EU recently had an enchanting event similar to the one we got prior to Apex 2 release, only theirs affected stormcry as well as frostmetal and twistshard! Why the hell can't you give us something like that? You guys don't listen to the players at all. Its super frustrating and its part of the problem of why NA is doing so poorly. More people are just going to quit.

Sure I'm glad that its helping new players out, and helping people with alts, but players with higher tier gear need help too; and people need help with their mains. I've been stuck at mostly base storm cry forever while focusing on my weapon. Its super difficult to progress in NA with the costs and lack of methods in getting the materials, not to mention the severe restriction on crafting with the ridiculous production points system.

There's several issues with this event. We're limited to how many boxes we can open thanks to the daily login calendar, the drop-rate for the boxes is poorly-handled - the common ones drop frequently, but the rare ones are few and far in-between. To add insult to injury you're not guaranteed to get the non-degrade scroll from the rare box. Its really pointless. The scrolls don't even have a high or 100% enhance rate, and you don't even tell us what the enhance rate is. Why even add the degrade crap then? Its like you don't even know how costly it is to enhance gear in this game beyond base stormcry. I've already failed several times on my base gloves with these useless scrolls. My weapon is already beyond +5 so any weapon scroll I get is useless (I'm not risking a degrade, F that). The only upside to all of this is there is no material cost, but so far its been useless for me on my main. And for some reason you guys thought it was a good idea to limit it to weapons and gloves?? I really don't get what is going on in your heads, seriously.

For enchanting events you're really going to have to do better than this. It really wouldn't have killed you to give us the 1.5x enhancement rate that EU had for stormcry. Next time you do your enchanting events for new players don't advertise dungeons like Bahaars for it through your made up characters like "Lady Tanly", because I guarantee you no one is going to be doing that dungeon in frostmetal or base stormcry gear even if they wanted to. I'm letting you know this because you appear to don't this game and know anything about it, including gear requirements and dungeon difficulties.
TERA PC - General Discussion#49 Lyanni11/29/2018, 02:16 AM
ryukomatoi wrote: »
-TFW you decide to give the game another try, don't know what all the updates are about because 2 lazy to read all the changes
-have +7 sc wep, notices event can upgrade (didn't read fine print)
-drops to +5
-Poor
-uninstalls

Thanks tera online for the amazing event, not everyone hardcore, an extremely high fail rate would have been fine buy why degrade peoples stuff...

Well, it was kinda your fault that you didnt read that it could drop. There's even a warning when you use the scroll saying the enchant can drop if it fails. :/

The event itself isnt bad tho, it helps a lot for those that need.
If you could use it to +9 without any repercussions there would be probably people crying how they give stuff for free like that when others had to pay for it. I can understand why they made it like that.

Its a good enough event, i wouldnt mind if the enchant didnt drop, but i would be asking too much :P

EDIT: oh yea, and would be better if the scrolls could be used in any piece of gear instead of just weapon and gloves. That's the only faulty thing for me tbh
Are these scrolls guaranteed to drop? Or only a "chance" just done a dungeon and no scroll dropped.
TERA PC - General Discussion#51 Based1211/29/2018, 03:27 AM
EME has an issue, they can't make an event that doesn't involve RNG.
LancerJiva wrote: »
Are these scrolls guaranteed to drop? Or only a "chance" just done a dungeon and no scroll dropped.

A chest will drop, which contains scrolls, that will downgrade your gear past +5, won't give you increased succes chance when fails. But hey, no mats!

Looks like a deal with the devil.
Based12 wrote: »
EME has an issue, they can't make an event that doesn't involve RNG.
LancerJiva wrote: »
Are these scrolls guaranteed to drop? Or only a "chance" just done a dungeon and no scroll dropped.

A chest will drop, which contains scrolls, that will downgrade your gear past +5, won't give you increased succes chance when fails. But hey, no mats!

Looks like a deal with the devil.

SO basically in a short answer, no they aren't guaranteed to drop then.
TERA PC - General Discussion#53 metagame11/29/2018, 04:09 AM
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
For enchanting events you're really going to have to do better than this. It really wouldn't have killed you to give us the 1.5x enhancement rate that EU had for stormcry.
http://tera.enmasse.com/events/dark-reaches

stage 3
TERA PC - General Discussion#54 McThicc11/29/2018, 04:57 AM
metagame wrote: »
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
For enchanting events you're really going to have to do better than this. It really wouldn't have killed you to give us the 1.5x enhancement rate that EU had for stormcry.
http://tera.enmasse.com/events/dark-reaches

stage 3

Read it again, twisthard and frostmetal. The EU event offered a boost for stormcry gear, NA did not.
LancerJiva wrote: »
Based12 wrote: »
EME has an issue, they can't make an event that doesn't involve RNG.
LancerJiva wrote: »
Are these scrolls guaranteed to drop? Or only a "chance" just done a dungeon and no scroll dropped.

A chest will drop, which contains scrolls, that will downgrade your gear past +5, won't give you increased succes chance when fails. But hey, no mats!

Looks like a deal with the devil.

SO basically in a short answer, no they aren't guaranteed to drop then.

No, everything is rng like always. The box is rng from dungeons and you need the keys from daily to open them. The scrolls within the box is rng, so if you're in SC and you're hoping to get some, don't bet on it. Open six boxes and got all FM,
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
Rox wrote: »
For me, I see the event as a good way to get characters through 1-5 on twist/frost/storm. After that I'd only use the no-degrade variant of the scrolls on 6-9, and save the rest for alts (possibly in the future, just left in bank).

This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry, and less so helping Stormcry reach Heroic Oath.

"This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry" ...You guys really don't play this game at all that much do you? From the way you say that, its like initially you guys didn't even know what the hell you were doing when you were creating this event, and now you're starting to see what its doing and you're just making confirmations that everyone else, the actual players, have already made.

If you were just going to make this event with intentions only to help new players then just say that from the beginning.

Honestly, I think the event is kind of dumb (for one, it's overly-complicated (even their own video and ad copy alludes to that), and it was obvious the downgrade chance wasn't going to go over well in our region even if it's free enchant chances).

However...

Lady.Tanly is a character they created specifically for the Elin Brawler level-up event. Before the mention of Bahaar, the news post starts with "Listen up! I don’t have time for coddling you keeners anymore." Who are the "keeners" being "coddled?" The new brawlers. Note all the social media posts for the last few weeks with Lady.Tanly's advice, the brawler level rewards that come from Lady.Tanly, and the Lady.Tanly bundle focused on new Elin brawlers that was on the store. So, honestly, they did say that it was for new players from the beginning... you just had to understand the context. The fact it references Bahaar is just referencing the goal new players are eventually working towards (to get to the top), not an indication that it's focused on veterans (or some sort of colossal screw-up that's the result of not knowing the game).

I can also say the lecturing isn't going to work either because it's an event that came straight from BHS (identical to what K-TERA had). The real issue has nothing to do with whoever playing the game, it's the fact that BHS's intended design for this game is way more grindy and painful than players here want -- and, FWIW, more than the EME staff who play the game themselves want too. But lecturing them will plainly not work; you're basically telling them "don't trust the game developers with their own game because they're idiots who don't know what they're doing." Even if it were true, I'm sure you can imagine why this is an untenable argument for EME, a quasi subdivision/sister-company to BHS.

I can also say the lecturing isn't going to work either because it's an event that came straight from BHS (identical to what K-TERA had). The real issue has nothing to do with whoever playing the game, it's the fact that BHS's intended design for this game is way more grindy and painful than players here want. But lecturing them will plainly not work; you're basically telling them "don't trust the game developers with their own game because they're idiots who don't know what they're doing." Even if it were true, I'm sure you can imagine why this is an untenable argument for EME, a quasi subdivision/sister-company to BHS, and why BHS isn't going to particularly responsive to either EME or players here telling them that they don't know what they're doing.

The feedback that people are in pain over the costs/burden of the enchantment system for high-end gear and the lack of events to make it easier has certainly been relayed relentlessly regardless. And yeah, clearly this event does nothing to address that end of the equation at all, so it's obvious to everyone why people are mad. I'm not trying to tell people to stop being mad, but just to keep it focused on only point that ultimately matters: the pain caused by the continued balance decisions.

This argument that BHS is behind everything and EME is the sister company that has to agree does not hold anymore. At least, i am pretty sure that EME mostly decides on the drop rates for scrolls and their enchantment rate for our region. At the same time, it is also EME who decides when and what events to hold ( and even if is not EME who decides then the fact that NA is not the greatest experience and so many decide to move to EU still happens.. actually, the ones that moved to EU with the DMCA thing have catched up with their NA gear and are laughing at us with a big smile ).


And i am not trying to be negative or anything like that but this game will probably be a very unsightly experience at this rate in a few months from now since a selected few will run around with +5Heroic Oath or better and do 30% or more damage at PvE while doing 2shots at PvP ( and even if we will get the new set of gear for PvP which will be another grindy experience then this means that those who get it will have to either grind another set of gear for PvE or simply suck at PvE considering that Heroic Oath will be simply impossible to acquire ).


p.s. i have full +9SC and i am already seeing the difference when going against +2 HO players
TERA PC - General Discussion#58 DXM11/29/2018, 02:20 PM
I don't really expect to gain anything from this event, but I did manage to get 1 risk free try scroll so far. It failed, but at least I got to try to upgrade.
LancerJiva wrote: »
Based12 wrote: »
EME has an issue, they can't make an event that doesn't involve RNG.
LancerJiva wrote: »
Are these scrolls guaranteed to drop? Or only a "chance" just done a dungeon and no scroll dropped.

A chest will drop, which contains scrolls, that will downgrade your gear past +5, won't give you increased succes chance when fails. But hey, no mats!

Looks like a deal with the devil.

SO basically in a short answer, no they aren't guaranteed to drop then.

No, everything is rng like always. The box is rng from dungeons and you need the keys from daily to open them. The scrolls within the box is rng, so if you're in SC and you're hoping to get some, don't bet on it. Open six boxes and got all FM,

well, rare scroll case yes under dungeons item lv 446,
well im get 4 for forsmetal and 2 for sc weapon and gloves, sad im still dont have alts with sc, but im enchant to +0 to +2 for gloves huehuehuehue

if you gearing alts dont expect to get sc, only farm normal ones and get frosmtela +5
TERA PC - General Discussion#60 Based1211/29/2018, 04:44 PM
Okay, we got 6 keys today.

Got 2 SC gloves and 1 SC weap, total of 3x gloves and 2x weap. Still both at +0 won't even go +1.

Stacking on FM scrolls, got 4x gloves and 3x weap. No use for them in sight.

Event still terrible.
TERA PC - General Discussion#61 Vy1Vivi11/29/2018, 04:56 PM
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
Rox wrote: »
For me, I see the event as a good way to get characters through 1-5 on twist/frost/storm. After that I'd only use the no-degrade variant of the scrolls on 6-9, and save the rest for alts (possibly in the future, just left in bank).

This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry, and less so helping Stormcry reach Heroic Oath.

"This is definitely geared toward helping players reach Stormcry" ...You guys really don't play this game at all that much do you? From the way you say that, its like initially you guys didn't even know what the hell you were doing when you were creating this event, and now you're starting to see what its doing and you're just making confirmations that everyone else, the actual players, have already made.

If you were just going to make this event with intentions only to help new players then just say that from the beginning.

Honestly, I think the event is kind of dumb (for one, it's overly-complicated (even their own video and ad copy alludes to that), and it was obvious the downgrade chance wasn't going to go over well in our region even if it's free enchant chances).

However...

Lady.Tanly is a character they created specifically for the Elin Brawler level-up event. Before the mention of Bahaar, the news post starts with "Listen up! I don’t have time for coddling you keeners anymore." Who are the "keeners" being "coddled?" The new brawlers. Note all the social media posts for the last few weeks with Lady.Tanly's advice, the brawler level rewards that come from Lady.Tanly, and the Lady.Tanly bundle focused on new Elin brawlers that was on the store. So, honestly, they did say that it was for new players from the beginning... you just had to understand the context. The fact it references Bahaar does not negate all the rest of the context.

I can also say the lecturing isn't going to work either because it's an event that came straight from BHS (identical to what K-TERA had). The real issue has nothing to do with whoever playing the game, it's the fact that BHS's intended design for this game is way more grindy and painful than players here want. But lecturing them will plainly not work; you're basically telling them "don't trust the game developers with their own game because they're idiots who don't know what they're doing." Even if it were true, I'm sure you can imagine why this is an untenable argument for EME, a quasi subdivision/sister-company to BHS, and why BHS isn't going to particularly responsive to either EME or players here telling them that they don't know what they're doing.

The feedback that people are in pain over the costs/burden of the enchantment system for high-end gear and the lack of events to make it easier has certainly been relayed relentlessly regardless. And yeah, clearly this event does nothing to address that end of the equation at all, so it's obvious to everyone why people are mad. I'm not trying to tell people to stop being mad, but just to keep it focused on only point that ultimately matters: the pain caused by the continued balance decisions.

...Its like you didn't read anything I said, or you just misunderstood a lot of it.

It wasn't my intention for it to come off as 'lecturing,' its just another player expressing to them my feedback. Its been like this for awhile, NA and EU being like night and day when it comes to events and gearing. You can't expect people to see the enchanting event that the players got there (which includes stormcry) and not be upset about getting nothing like that here. I only understand partially what you're saying. Pretty much expressing ANY kind of feedback to them doesn't work, because they don't bother listening. I'm not sure what BHS has to do with alleviating the issues. There's things that they as the publisher can do to make improvements to our region and they're not doing it. I don't know if that has to do with BHS, or if BHS has some kind of influence over what they do, but either way NA is suffering more and more because of it and they're going to eventually lose out on a lot of potential players and money they can make if they continue doing things the way that have been.

You missed a lot of the key-points of my statement. The mention of 'bahaar' wasn't even a major issue, but something I brought up last-minute. They didn't advertise it well for what it is: an event aimed for mainly new players. And my main point was that we need something for vets/players that already have stormcry because we've had events already to help new players. EU pretty much got an event that helped everyone. Also another major point was how they're doing nothing to address how awful it is to gear in NA, literally right now its pushing players away. People new and old are quitting or moving to EU. You literally have players in EU recruiting players from NA. Despite that, I still don't think its worth leaving my account here in NA to go there, but plenty of people don't care.

And no. I was not telling them "don't trust the game developers with their own game because they're idiots who don't know what they're doing," I said nothing of the sort at all in any paragraph. You said BHS intended it to be grindy, but again, look at EU? Its not so grindy over there. They have more methods of getting materials and resources for enchanting their gear. What I am asking for isn't unreasonable. A lot of us are asking for similar resources and events that EU gets.
TERA PC - General Discussion#62 Vy1Vivi11/29/2018, 05:01 PM
metagame wrote: »
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
For enchanting events you're really going to have to do better than this. It really wouldn't have killed you to give us the 1.5x enhancement rate that EU had for stormcry.
http://tera.enmasse.com/events/dark-reaches

stage 3

You didn't read what I typed either ( I don't blame you, I typed a lot), or you forgot what our event had.
Ours was for twistshard and frostmetal only, it left stormcry out. EU's event not only included twistshard and frostmetal, but stormcry as well. I had explained that in my post.
TERA PC - General Discussion#63 MyuuMew11/29/2018, 05:47 PM
??? I gotten 3 stormcry enchatnt scrolls for handwear tho, some regulars fm and sc, and one punch up for sc, in my daily boxes what are you on about o-o
TERA PC - General Discussion#64 Vy1Vivi11/29/2018, 06:44 PM
MyuuMew wrote: »
??? I gotten 3 stormcry enchatnt scrolls for handwear tho, some regulars fm and sc, and one punch up for sc, in my daily boxes what are you on about o-o

Another person who can't read well. We were referencing a different enhancement event. Not the punch-up event.

Anyway, I rescind what I said earlier about this event being beneficial for new players. Its barely even that.

From what I understand for the lower-tier dungeons you're not even guaranteed to get a box drop. How can you claim or aim to make this event for the new/returning players when those running the lower i-level dungeons may not get a box each run? Not everyone is even geared enough to run the 446 dungeons.

Another issue is that for twistshard and frostmetal you have the same ridiculous degrade rule starting at +5. This just doesn't make any sense. I can understand for stormcry, but for twist and frost? Literally those two gear-sets are complete trash and fodder gear.

I can't even be optimistic about it anymore. Literally the only good thing I see from this is that its a free enhancement chance with no material cost whether you fail or succeed. Even then it doesn't follow the game's enhancement rules: we don't know the success rate chances are, you apparently don't get a success rate increase per failure, and we don't even know if item exp is being taken into account here. With the limit to how many boxes you can open, and the poor drop-rate of the boxes in the dungeons, I'm seeing how this event is less and less useless.

You have tons of people just selling the boxes on the marketplace rather than them using them its that much of a joke. Overall its a pretty poorly constructed event. Its a shame because just a couple changes could have been made to drastically improve it too, but it was implemented by people who don't know the game at all.

If this event was taken straight from kr we didn't need it then. What we needed was the event that EU got, not this.
TERA PC - General Discussion#65 MyuuMew11/29/2018, 07:42 PM
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
MyuuMew wrote: »
??? I gotten 3 stormcry enchatnt scrolls for handwear tho, some regulars fm and sc, and one punch up for sc, in my daily boxes what are you on about o-o

Another person who can't read well. We were referencing a different enhancement event. Not the punch-up event.

Anyway, I rescind what I said earlier about this event being beneficial for new players. Its barely even that.

From what I understand for the lower-tier dungeons you're not even guaranteed to get a box drop. How can you claim or aim to make this event for the new/returning players when those running the lower i-level dungeons may not get a box each run? Not everyone is even geared enough to run the 446 dungeons.

Another issue is that for twistshard and frostmetal you have the same ridiculous degrade rule starting at +5. This just doesn't make any sense. I can understand for stormcry, but for twist and frost? Literally those two gear-sets are complete trash and fodder gear.

I can't even be optimistic about it anymore. Literally the only good thing I see from this is that its a free enhancement chance with no material cost whether you fail or succeed. Even then it doesn't follow the game's enhancement rules: we don't know the success rate chances are, you apparently don't get a success rate increase per failure, and we don't even know if item exp is being taken into account here. With the limit to how many boxes you can open, and the poor drop-rate of the boxes in the dungeons, I'm seeing how this event is less and less useless.

You have tons of people just selling the boxes on the marketplace rather than them using them its that much of a joke. Overall its a pretty poorly constructed event. Its a shame because just a couple changes could have been made to drastically improve it too, but it was implemented by people who don't know the game at all.

If this event was taken straight from kr we didn't need it then. What we needed was the event that EU got, not this.

well sorry but i assumed this was about the punch up seeing as OP was talking about the scrolls failing and eme saying they fixed the tool tip, didnt notice it went off topic to a different event
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
Snippage

Some guildmates and I ran RRN last night and I got a scroll box that dropped from the last boss. When I told the others, the response I got implied that I was the only one who got it.

So it seems that not only are the drops themselves RNG, but it also is subject to the usual loot distro f**kery just like almost everything else in the game. That's just not good design for an event that's supposed to accelerate and alleviate the gearing process for newer players.

Did the previous double enchant event "bReAk ThE eCoNoMy" or something?
TERA PC - General Discussion#67 MyuuMew11/29/2018, 08:05 PM
it doesnt seem that way thats just how it is, can also confirm as me and 2 guildies ran rrn last night as well and only me and 1 guildie, our healer, got one. They just threw a rare drop in an already huge loot pool however since 2 out of 5 got it (the other people were on diff server so i didnt bother to ask if they got the drop) i assume it can drop multiple at least.

its not a good design but its something, the only reason why im ok with it cause fails/degrades or not, it doesnt eat your item exp so you essential get 6 free levels and save on mats.

also im sure the people selling the boxes are either already so far up in their gear they dont want to downgrade their possible sc or they are fine with their alts being in frost cause its enough to make money (i dont have anyone in sc myself yet cause i dont really care about doing the higher tier dgns) but anyway idk if its so much as the event being lame
(tho cant comment on the rare boxes as i dont do hms so i assume those sellers are either +9 sc, ho or just want to profit off it.)
Tfw in 3 full months of playing on EU my main is better geared and I have more well geared alts than I had after playing on NA for 2 years straight (3 and a half with breaks).

Feels weird.
TERA PC - General Discussion#69 Vy1Vivi11/30/2018, 02:09 AM
SageWindu wrote: »
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
Snippage

Some guildmates and I ran RRN last night and I got a scroll box that dropped from the last boss. When I told the others, the response I got implied that I was the only one who got it.

So it seems that not only are the drops themselves RNG, but it also is subject to the usual loot distro f**kery just like almost everything else in the game. That's just not good design for an event that's supposed to accelerate and alleviate the gearing process for newer players.

Did the previous double enchant event "bReAk ThE eCoNoMy" or something?

I didn't even realize that some players could get the box and some not in each instance. I've run a few (only 446s) so far and gotten at least 1 of the common boxes each run and so has my boyfriend, so I just assumed that when one dropped everyone got it. Looks like its just even more rng on top of rng, which is also another disappointing factor I guess.
MyuuMew wrote: »
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
MyuuMew wrote: »

well sorry but i assumed this was about the punch up seeing as OP was talking about the scrolls failing and eme saying they fixed the tool tip, didnt notice it went off topic to a different event

Oh okay, sorry.
TERA PC - General Discussion#70 Yamazuki11/30/2018, 03:19 AM
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
This argument that BHS is behind everything and EME is the sister company that has to agree does not hold anymore. At least, i am pretty sure that EME mostly decides on the drop rates for scrolls and their enchantment rate for our region. At the same time, it is also EME who decides when and what events to hold ( and even if is not EME who decides then the fact that NA is not the greatest experience and so many decide to move to EU still happens.. actually, the ones that moved to EU with the DMCA thing have catched up with their NA gear and are laughing at us with a big smile ).


And i am not trying to be negative or anything like that but this game will probably be a very unsightly experience at this rate in a few months from now since a selected few will run around with +5Heroic Oath or better and do 30% or more damage at PvE while doing 2shots at PvP ( and even if we will get the new set of gear for PvP which will be another grindy experience then this means that those who get it will have to either grind another set of gear for PvE or simply suck at PvE considering that Heroic Oath will be simply impossible to acquire ).


p.s. i have full +9SC and i am already seeing the difference when going against +2 HO players

BHS and EME being related doesn't give EME any sort of leverage for content. BHS in their relationship would be the overly dominant father who doesn't know what they're doing 90% of the time, but will never admit it and force the rest of the family to stick to their plan. Their ignorance and unwillingness to both listen and learn hasn't been an issue for just Tera, just look at PUBG, they only did so well when they had nearly zero competition, this last year they lost a majority of their player base.

The grinding isn't the inherent problem either, it is the over reliance on RNG for progression. Games popular, and as old as Tera, are actually far more grindier than Tera, and some are designed for you to grind over and over every x months, and more people still play them over Tera. The complaints generally boil down to I spent X time getting Y but I have nothing to show for it because I'm still at the same position. BHS's way of handling progression has always been a complaint, and Europeans are just as dissatisfied with the game as those on NA. No need to pretend their version sees significantly higher activity when it doesn't.
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
Snippage

Some guildmates and I ran RRN last night and I got a scroll box that dropped from the last boss. When I told the others, the response I got implied that I was the only one who got it.

So it seems that not only are the drops themselves RNG, but it also is subject to the usual loot distro f**kery just like almost everything else in the game. That's just not good design for an event that's supposed to accelerate and alleviate the gearing process for newer players.

Did the previous double enchant event "bReAk ThE eCoNoMy" or something?

I didn't even realize that some players could get the box and some not in each instance. I've run a few (only 446s) so far and gotten at least 1 of the common boxes each run and so has my boyfriend, so I just assumed that when one dropped everyone got it. Looks like its just even more rng on top of rng, which is also another disappointing factor I guess.

According to some others it's a universal pick-up (that is, it goes to everyone in the party), so I might be wrong in my previous assessment.

Yamazuki wrote: »
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
This argument that BHS is behind everything and EME is the sister company that has to agree does not hold anymore. At least, i am pretty sure that EME mostly decides on the drop rates for scrolls and their enchantment rate for our region. At the same time, it is also EME who decides when and what events to hold ( and even if is not EME who decides then the fact that NA is not the greatest experience and so many decide to move to EU still happens.. actually, the ones that moved to EU with the DMCA thing have catched up with their NA gear and are laughing at us with a big smile ).


And i am not trying to be negative or anything like that but this game will probably be a very unsightly experience at this rate in a few months from now since a selected few will run around with +5Heroic Oath or better and do 30% or more damage at PvE while doing 2shots at PvP ( and even if we will get the new set of gear for PvP which will be another grindy experience then this means that those who get it will have to either grind another set of gear for PvE or simply suck at PvE considering that Heroic Oath will be simply impossible to acquire ).


p.s. i have full +9SC and i am already seeing the difference when going against +2 HO players

BHS and EME being related doesn't give EME any sort of leverage for content. BHS in their relationship would be the overly dominant father who doesn't know what they're doing 90% of the time, but will never admit it and force the rest of the family to stick to their plan. Their ignorance and unwillingness to both listen and learn hasn't been an issue for just Tera, just look at PUBG, they only did so well when they had nearly zero competition, this last year they lost a majority of their player base.

The grinding isn't the inherent problem either, it is the over reliance on RNG for progression. Games popular, and as old as Tera, are actually far more grindier than Tera, and some are designed for you to grind over and over every x months, and more people still play them over Tera. The complaints generally boil down to I spent X time getting Y but I have nothing to show for it because I'm still at the same position. BHS's way of handling progression has always been a complaint, and Europeans are just as dissatisfied with the game as those on NA. No need to pretend their version sees significantly higher activity when it doesn't.

Do you know why i do not believe in this whole thing with BHS + EME = L.O.V.E? We had Spacecats in the past and he did bring some overly exaggerated events that practically gave in one weekend what we could usually get in a few months. So, it is possible to do that as well and have some sort of freedom over what and when to come up with events ( if you played this game enough then you might also remember the Tonka's World Bam Event that was actually a blast at the time ).

Anyway, talking about such things is only wasting our time ( and the few remaining brain cells xD ).


I have tried my stuff like any curious player and so far i was able to get decent enchants on some alts that actually makes me happy ( might as well get that cute elin brawler geared up and play with it xD ).
TERA PC - General Discussion#73 Vy1Vivi11/30/2018, 04:53 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
Vy1Vivi wrote: »
Snippage

Some guildmates and I ran RRN last night and I got a scroll box that dropped from the last boss. When I told the others, the response I got implied that I was the only one who got it.

So it seems that not only are the drops themselves RNG, but it also is subject to the usual loot distro f**kery just like almost everything else in the game. That's just not good design for an event that's supposed to accelerate and alleviate the gearing process for newer players.

Did the previous double enchant event "bReAk ThE eCoNoMy" or something?

I didn't even realize that some players could get the box and some not in each instance. I've run a few (only 446s) so far and gotten at least 1 of the common boxes each run and so has my boyfriend, so I just assumed that when one dropped everyone got it. Looks like its just even more rng on top of rng, which is also another disappointing factor I guess.

According to some others it's a universal pick-up (that is, it goes to everyone in the party), so I might be wrong in my previous assessment.

Well I do know its not guaranteed to drop at least in dungeons below 446. But in all the 446s I've run so far its dropped and everyone in the party has gotten it. To be honest its all more confusing than it should be.
TERA PC - General Discussion#74 Melyodis11/30/2018, 05:13 PM
From my view this event is to help new players but all the vets are up in here venting, can't please this community at all no matter how they try. Eme should just let the player council plan events for this game since they are doing nothing.
Melyodis wrote: »
From my view this event is to help new players but all the vets are up in here venting, can't please this community at all no matter how they try. Eme should just let the player council plan events for this game since they are doing nothing.

Be that as it may, it still could be done better. Having a chance at a free upgrade with an event like this works best if you're able to stockpile both the scroll boxes and the keys that open them. You can do the former but not the latter since, as it stands at least, getting keys relies on being able to log in to get those weird little boxes as well as completing various Vanguard quests.

And that's to say nothing about how for many people achieving any sort of upgrade for SC gear is a slog...

I do agree that the Council should be given more tasks, even if it's just to play Informational Hot Potato like the old days.

Conjecture: I have a feeling we're going to be seeing these in the shop soon...
TERA PC - General Discussion#76 Nopi11/30/2018, 06:11 PM
Melyodis wrote: »
From my view this event is to help new players but all the vets are up in here venting, can't please this community at all no matter how they try. Eme should just let the player council plan events for this game since they are doing nothing.

If the members of the player council are actively playing the game right now, then they'd know the needs. So, it would indeed be more beneficial to listen to them. EME personnel themselves may not have the time to really play their game because they are working on it, so, as some people have expressed, they may seem a bit more disconnected from the "reality". Though I say reality in quotes, since in here, that's also based on opinion from those posting here.
Nopi wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
From my view this event is to help new players but all the vets are up in here venting, can't please this community at all no matter how they try. Eme should just let the player council plan events for this game since they are doing nothing.

If the members of the player council are actively playing the game right now, then they'd know the needs. So, it would indeed be more beneficial to listen to them. EME personnel themselves may not have the time to really play their game because they are working on it, so, as some people have expressed, they may seem a bit more disconnected from the "reality". Though I say reality in quotes, since in here, that's also based on opinion from those posting here.

We've told them extensively the needs and feedback about the gearing process, and even concerns about this event and how it would be received. In the end, as I alluded to earlier, the broader conversation that needs to happen about why BHS has made end-game gearing so exasperating and why EME is choosing to let them run the show in this area (to not interfere with fundamental gear progression anymore, unlike the past with the crazy events) is above player council's "pay grade" (which is, of course, zero). We keep giving the feedback.
TERA PC - General Discussion#78 Nopi11/30/2018, 11:52 PM
We've told them extensively the needs and feedback about the gearing process, and even concerns about this event and how it would be received. In the end, as I alluded to earlier, the broader conversation that needs to happen about why BHS has made end-game gearing so exasperating and why EME is choosing to let them run the show in this area (to not interfere with fundamental gear progression anymore, unlike the past with the crazy events) is above player council's "pay grade" (which is, of course, zero). We keep giving the feedback.

It is why the other poster suggested, and I kind of agree with, that the council could be allowed to run gearing up events. I and a few others feel that it could be a win-win thing. So maybe instead of repeating yourselves over and over again when talking to EME about the needs of the player base, ask them instead for more chances to run the events yourselves.
Nopi wrote: »
We've told them extensively the needs and feedback about the gearing process, and even concerns about this event and how it would be received. In the end, as I alluded to earlier, the broader conversation that needs to happen about why BHS has made end-game gearing so exasperating and why EME is choosing to let them run the show in this area (to not interfere with fundamental gear progression anymore, unlike the past with the crazy events) is above player council's "pay grade" (which is, of course, zero). We keep giving the feedback.

It is why the other poster suggested, and I kind of agree with, that the council could be allowed to run gearing up events. I and a few others feel that it could be a win-win thing. So maybe instead of repeating yourselves over and over again when talking to EME about the needs of the player base, ask them instead for more chances to run the events yourselves.

It's not really the issue; we'd certainly be forbidden from doing the things people want because it would interfere with BHS's intended game balance. That's exactly like what Spacecats did in the past, and they're not doing that anymore. It's not because they don't know *how* to do it, or don't know what could be done, it's because they made a conscious decision to stop doing that now. That's exactly why I suspect they did things like remove the permanent double vanguard items -- because having it be permanent interfered with BHS's intended design/progression too much. Instead, they run it as occasional events so the impact is mitigated.

It's not about people "playing the game to know what needs to be done". It's about a conscious decision or directive (I don't know for sure who made the call) to trust the game developers' opinions about how progression should work rather than intervening in a major way. Regardless of their own personal opinions, they're fundamentally letting BHS make the call about issues like this, because it's their job to balance their game. Whatever events EME runs these days are designed to not singlehandedly tip any scales, just maybe ease certain issues here and there to some degree, and hopefully hopefully make things a bit more fun/rewarding without breaking things (e.g. added drops in Dreadspire, etc.).

(I will say that we have some very good people who give input on event loot tables and staff that are responsive to that feedback, though again, there are constraints on what people are allowed to do, and those constraints will prevent major action on this topic.)

So, we give feedback, community team relays the community's feedback to key EME and BHS folk, and BHS would have to make a decision to change the game. And I think they're unlikely to do that unless all the other major global regions concur.

I'm not saying this philosophy couldn't change -- after all, it was different before -- but that's basically where we're at. They try to run events that add some spice and make things a bit more fun, but not in a game-altering way, and what people ultimately are asking for here (taking significant action to ease the pain of end-game gearing grind/cost) would be seen as game-altering. Of course, the more people ask and make that pain felt with objective evidence/data, the more likely it is something might happen.


(By the way, to be clear, I know *full well* that the opinion of the community (that I often share) is that trusting the game's developers on progression or balance is the *last* thing anyone should ever do to make the game appeal in this market.)
TERA PC - General Discussion#80 Nopi12/01/2018, 09:34 AM
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Well, thanks for the explanation, but if they are so adamant on keeping things as they are right now, regardless of what feedback people are giving, then I see no other outcome than the further downsizing of the playerbase. But, maybe that's part of their design and intention as well?
TERA PC - General Discussion#81 Yamazuki12/01/2018, 10:45 AM
Nopi wrote: »
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Well, thanks for the explanation, but if they are so adamant on keeping things as they are right now, regardless of what feedback people are giving, then I see no other outcome than the further downsizing of the playerbase. But, maybe that's part of their design and intention as well?

It's more of a case of developers, and those above them, having the mentality that the player base is clueless in regards to what they want. You think you want it, but you don't. In addition to the issue that Koreans generally don't balance games well for global markets due to lack of knowledge of non-Korean culture. It's partly why Tera just failed miserably in China, as the MMORPG market there is far more competitive than in NA/Eu where Western studios don't produce new MMORPGs.
TERA PC - General Discussion#82 Nopi12/01/2018, 12:39 PM
Yamazuki wrote: »
Nopi wrote: »
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Well, thanks for the explanation, but if they are so adamant on keeping things as they are right now, regardless of what feedback people are giving, then I see no other outcome than the further downsizing of the playerbase. But, maybe that's part of their design and intention as well?

It's more of a case of developers, and those above them, having the mentality that the player base is clueless in regards to what they want. You think you want it, but you don't. In addition to the issue that Koreans generally don't balance games well for global markets due to lack of knowledge of non-Korean culture. It's partly why Tera just failed miserably in China, as the MMORPG market there is far more competitive than in NA/Eu where Western studios don't produce new MMORPGs.

Yeah. And that's what's sad about it. Now, I can't say I didn't note this from the very beginning of the game's retail life here in NA. I always felt Tera could have been such a greater game if some things were done differently. But I'm not a dev nor someone important, so, other than voicing my opinion and offering feedback, I knew there was not much I could do, at the time, nor now. Still, I'll keep offering my opinion to whoever listens to it, while I'm able.
TERA PC - General Discussion#83 Kira9812/01/2018, 04:09 PM
Im back to NA cuz idk. And try use that f.ckng scrolls and surprisse. My +8 sc down to +5 and get more fail.... Nice Event.. Just drop NA again... NA will be great when kick that randoms GM's. gl
TERA PC - General Discussion#84 metagame12/01/2018, 04:39 PM
gave up on eu already lol :DDDDDDD
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Are you implying that one of the major reasons for material drops and allocation being scaled back was actually because we were progressing too fast? I'm having a hard time understanding why that matters, unless it's the usual "The hardcore players will get bored!" nonsense.
TERA PC - General Discussion#86 Nopi12/01/2018, 05:28 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
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Are you implying that one of the major reasons for material drops and allocation being scaled back was actually because we were progressing too fast? I'm having a hard time understanding why that matters, unless it's the usual "The hardcore players will get bored!" nonsense.

I doubt it's as simple as that. We all know this region has slowed to a crawl and the hardcores are an endangered species around here (or rather, the actually geared hardcores). Actually, I'd love to know how many are able to enter the latest dungeons, or even how many can claim they have it in farm mode. With the current gearing, I doubt those numbers are the same or even close to VM days.
Nopi wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
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Are you implying that one of the major reasons for material drops and allocation being scaled back was actually because we were progressing too fast? I'm having a hard time understanding why that matters, unless it's the usual "The hardcore players will get bored!" nonsense.

I doubt it's as simple as that. We all know this region has slowed to a crawl and the hardcores are an endangered species around here (or rather, the actually geared hardcores). Actually, I'd love to know how many are able to enter the latest dungeons, or even how many can claim they have it in farm mode. With the current gearing, I doubt those numbers are the same or even close to VM days.

You know, that brings up an interesting question: remember when people used to "sell" runs? Is that still a thing?

Maybe the current gearing system was put together to get rid of that, especially since the only mats you can sell now are gems (...right?), and it's debatable whether or not those even count as mats.
TERA PC - General Discussion#88 Nopi12/01/2018, 09:42 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
Nopi wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
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Are you implying that one of the major reasons for material drops and allocation being scaled back was actually because we were progressing too fast? I'm having a hard time understanding why that matters, unless it's the usual "The hardcore players will get bored!" nonsense.

I doubt it's as simple as that. We all know this region has slowed to a crawl and the hardcores are an endangered species around here (or rather, the actually geared hardcores). Actually, I'd love to know how many are able to enter the latest dungeons, or even how many can claim they have it in farm mode. With the current gearing, I doubt those numbers are the same or even close to VM days.

You know, that brings up an interesting question: remember when people used to "sell" runs? Is that still a thing?

Maybe the current gearing system was put together to get rid of that, especially since the only mats you can sell now are gems (...right?), and it's debatable whether or not those even count as mats.

Not sure. EME has no problems with the blatant monetization of carries in Kritika, one of the other games they publish and have also subjected to ridiculously long and tedious grinds. And considering how EU Tera is running, this may be an all EME thing. Perhaps someone high up in the food chain has a much more Korean mmo mindset here at EME than any of the staff at GF.
TERA PC - General Discussion#89 Dvsv12/01/2018, 10:35 PM
Nopi wrote: »
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Well, thanks for the explanation, but if they are so adamant on keeping things as they are right now, regardless of what feedback people are giving, then I see no other outcome than the further downsizing of the playerbase. But, maybe that's part of their design and intention as well?

Imho, if you ask me, i rly think that their plan is to make endgame gearing (especialy anything past 455 iLVL) only viable for whales that spends lots of money in the game to make progression WAY WAY faster.
I rly wonder if at least 90% of all HO+0 or better players are p2w ppl, usually they only farm top-tier dungeons and we all know we can't farm talents/lots of gems/etc on 5 man dungeon...
And we can see the same trend on EMP prices, last time i saw they were asking 200K for an elite 30d voucher, nowadays you can buy a LOT more gold with real money and it's WAY more time efficient to gear the p2w route than farming anything ingame.
A free/casual spender player starting now will burn to death farming super boring IOD bams (or waiting long queues for PVP) for golden talents and prob will give up gearing anything past 453 iLVL (FullSC+7 which is asked for mid-tier content!), idk how the heck a non-p2w player are supposed to farm an INSANE 1000 golden talents per try just for ONE HO+0 weapon, prob they'll faill like 6~8x (i.e: 8000 talents !), i can't even imagine the PP and AFK time needed just to convert all those golden talent and the developer is actually asking full HO+0 for bahaar dungeon! (let's compare that with the full misery+12 asked for VSHM on last VM patch!)..

In the end of the day, i just think they're milking hard their remaining whale endgame playerbase with this gearing system and by the next HO+6 patch, NA Tera's endgame will be locked to whales only ;)


Dvsv wrote: »

In the end of the day, i just think they're milking hard their remaining whale endgame playerbase with this gearing system and by the next HO+6 patch, NA Tera's endgame will be locked to whales only ;)

This is our soon to be nightmare.

I am at full +9SC and i am already seeing my gear to be pretty much worthless at that point in game considering that i am seeing a selected few ( mostly selected on pure luck but they still exist ) already running around with +2 or +3Heroic Oath and they are both sturdy and hit so much harder.

The other problem is that we will get this new PvP gear but it is PvP only so we will need to grind from zero for a new type of gear that will be useful only for PvP .. with the ironic part that there is barely any PvP in this game while at the same time the PvP gear will be pretty much worthless for PvE so doing PvE sometimes in the future will be quite unpleasant.


Sadly, we do not have En Masse on our side to help us catch up and have a decent life as much as Gameforge does ( imagine how En Masse is viewing the gearing in game since they added the current event and on top of it they also added a downgrade system for the frostmetal gear which is simply fodder at this point in time ).



If there used to be players with +7Stormcry and players with +9Frostmetal in the past and then +2Stormcry and +9Stormcry.. Then we are going to see +6Heroic Oath players and +9Stormcry players in the future... Except that the gap will be so much wider this time with 10% of the player base purely stomping over the other 90%...
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Going to address your sentiment with what I know personally.

Most of the remaining, super-geared players are what we call "old money." Most of them were/are able to gear simply by having a wide bulk of pre-existing gold; pre-existing being the operative word because it is only by virtue of the gold they were able to procure when dungeons were more profitable that they can gear now.

It's no secret that gold expenditure seriously outstrips gold generation. I just thought I would throw in my two cents, because enchanting strain is definitely a universal problem.
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I like a lot of what you've said as well. Looking back, we were seriously privileged when +9SC was best-in-slot because RKE would drop I believe 3-5(?) Essence, and then we would very frequently have double and triple drop events to throw a ton of attempts at the gear, plus 3% correction versus 2% of what is now best-in-slot.

The new gearing system, then, was good because the cost wasn't too bad compared to our material supply, and the dungeon we got it from was not as inaccessible as Bahaar's Sanctum and to an extent Grotto.

It's one thing for enchantment to be made harder to attempt, but it's another to do that while at the same time notably increasing the difficulty of the content that yields the materials we need. Both are multiplicative of one another, and so have been the consequences on the playerbase both in morale and in number.
TERA PC - General Discussion#93 Based1212/02/2018, 05:04 PM
They have divided the community in ilvl. In the past you'd have people asking for +15 people to run dungeons, because everyone had the ilvl to do it. Now the dungeon itself is limiting people from doing content, and gearing towards the top tier dungeons is harder than ever.

It's a horrible thing to make HO a requirement taken how hard it is to even upgrade SC. SC should be endgame gear and HO should be for min-maxers that are rolling on gold and can afford to have it, but they've made super hard to get gear, that's REQUIRED for endgame practically, so it's not an achievement or something to show off, it's needed.

So having events to gear up people in FM and below is just a slap in the face to those people that play the game regularly. Even a casual player that logs in for 2-3 hours a day can have FM gear in less than a week, so really this event only helps out people that aren't even lvl 65. And even then, people will reach SC quickly, and then have useless FM mats piling up, and all of a sudden there's this HUGE WALL to upgrade SC that can't even be compared to upgrading FM with scrolls or the little amount of mats required to do so.

I'd love to know what kind of players they target in this event, only players that play 2 times a week for a few hours can benefit from this, and not even that much considering the success chance of enchanting. Plus the mats required to upgrade TS and FM are nothing to go crazy about, people don't mind farming to upgrade those gear pieces, it's not expensive at all and really the boost people can get with scrolls from the event is very little. EME could add those scrolls to the core game forever and nothing would change.
TERA PC - General Discussion#94 TJKat12/02/2018, 07:56 PM
Based12 wrote: »
I'd love to know what kind of players they target in this event

I'd like to know this too. The rewards seem to be aimed at players with lower level gear, but the drop rate in the dungeons those players can run is abysmal. The drop rate doesn't seem to pick up until after you're geared past needing them.

So it's for players who already have endgame gear to gear up new alts quickly?
Based12 wrote: »

I'd love to know what kind of players they target in this event

Good question.

If the event is meant to mainly help the new/returning and casual players to catch up a little then the common boxes should also drop from solo dungeons such as Ghillieglade and Pit of Petrax? And if the aim was again to help those players then there should be no downgrade system for the Frostmetal gear which is pretty much low tier at this point in time with Stormcry being mid tier and Heroic Oath top tier? And if the event was meant to also help the more active players then the Rare boxes should not be locked beyond certain dungeons that require 446ilevel?

Anyway, i cannot say that the event is that bad since i got some pretty nice enchants on various characters but that downgrade system is definitely not tasty..
SageWindu wrote: »
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Are you implying that one of the major reasons for material drops and allocation being scaled back was actually because we were progressing too fast? I'm having a hard time understanding why that matters, unless it's the usual "The hardcore players will get bored!" nonsense.

I think it's more simply because this is the way BHS made the game, and today's EME thinks (or was told) it's not their place to second-guess the game developers for fundamental game balance aspects like this (just to send along player feedback). I would say that the game developers believe this current progression pace is normal. But I also think they generally want the game to be more grindy (and certainly much more RNG) than people in this market like, and they certainly don't reflect the cultural difference well.

Today's EME does add events that have a small/measured impact on various things (like the extra drops in DS, for example, and all the regular rotating events). And I would say, within those sorts of constraints, they've been very responsive to doing what they're able to do. But the days of making big permanent changes, altering built-in reward systems, adjusting permanent drop tables, or intentionally making high-end progression faster/easier seem to be gone (at least for now?).

Of course, they might still run some event at some point that is more towards high-end gearing than this one was, but I don't expect anything "game-changing."
What bothers me is that even if your item exp is maxed out, it is still like opening a lootbox for the item you want when it comes to +'ing your gear.

It is quite discouraging when 10's or 100's of thousands of gold and mats just *poof* into nothing because the gear peice did not plus up a level..
missin the old EME right now qq
TERA PC - General Discussion#99 Nopi12/03/2018, 08:41 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
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Are you implying that one of the major reasons for material drops and allocation being scaled back was actually because we were progressing too fast? I'm having a hard time understanding why that matters, unless it's the usual "The hardcore players will get bored!" nonsense.

I think it's more simply because this is the way BHS made the game, and today's EME thinks (or was told) it's not their place to second-guess the game developers for fundamental game balance aspects like this (just to send along player feedback). I would say that the game developers believe this current progression pace is normal. But I also think they generally want the game to be more grindy (and certainly much more RNG) than people in this market like, and they certainly don't reflect the cultural difference well.

Today's EME does add events that have a small/measured impact on various things (like the extra drops in DS, for example, and all the regular rotating events). And I would say, within those sorts of constraints, they've been very responsive to doing what they're able to do. But the days of making big permanent changes, altering built-in reward systems, adjusting permanent drop tables, or intentionally making high-end progression faster/easier seem to be gone (at least for now?).

Of course, they might still run some event at some point that is more focused on high-end gearing than this one was, but I don't expect anything "game-changing."

Then BHS should be rather angry at how GF is managing their region.
TERA PC - General Discussion#100 Vulcarion12/03/2018, 08:51 PM
Nopi wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
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Are you implying that one of the major reasons for material drops and allocation being scaled back was actually because we were progressing too fast? I'm having a hard time understanding why that matters, unless it's the usual "The hardcore players will get bored!" nonsense.

I think it's more simply because this is the way BHS made the game, and today's EME thinks (or was told) it's not their place to second-guess the game developers for fundamental game balance aspects like this (just to send along player feedback). I would say that the game developers believe this current progression pace is normal. But I also think they generally want the game to be more grindy (and certainly much more RNG) than people in this market like, and they certainly don't reflect the cultural difference well.

Today's EME does add events that have a small/measured impact on various things (like the extra drops in DS, for example, and all the regular rotating events). And I would say, within those sorts of constraints, they've been very responsive to doing what they're able to do. But the days of making big permanent changes, altering built-in reward systems, adjusting permanent drop tables, or intentionally making high-end progression faster/easier seem to be gone (at least for now?).

Of course, they might still run some event at some point that is more focused on high-end gearing than this one was, but I don't expect anything "game-changing."

Then BHS should be rather angry at how GF is managing their region.

Yeah, it really doesn't make sense. GF is free to enact their interpretation of how core progression items can be obtained, yet for some reason, EME isn't. Maybe its an order from BHS, and they haven't caught up with GF yet (I think GF only started doing that in RK patch? idk). Or, maybe BHS is just a scapegoat, and EME believes they'll get better revenue from following the korean freemium/grind-your-life-away model. Hard to tell tbh.
TERA PC - General Discussion#101 tisnotme12/03/2018, 09:12 PM
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Able to push their weight around when they don't have any part ownership (as such) and it still brings them money - probably not
Vulcarion wrote: »
Nopi wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
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Are you implying that one of the major reasons for material drops and allocation being scaled back was actually because we were progressing too fast? I'm having a hard time understanding why that matters, unless it's the usual "The hardcore players will get bored!" nonsense.

I think it's more simply because this is the way BHS made the game, and today's EME thinks (or was told) it's not their place to second-guess the game developers for fundamental game balance aspects like this (just to send along player feedback). I would say that the game developers believe this current progression pace is normal. But I also think they generally want the game to be more grindy (and certainly much more RNG) than people in this market like, and they certainly don't reflect the cultural difference well.

Today's EME does add events that have a small/measured impact on various things (like the extra drops in DS, for example, and all the regular rotating events). And I would say, within those sorts of constraints, they've been very responsive to doing what they're able to do. But the days of making big permanent changes, altering built-in reward systems, adjusting permanent drop tables, or intentionally making high-end progression faster/easier seem to be gone (at least for now?).

Of course, they might still run some event at some point that is more focused on high-end gearing than this one was, but I don't expect anything "game-changing."

Then BHS should be rather angry at how GF is managing their region.

Yeah, it really doesn't make sense. GF is free to enact their interpretation of how core progression items can be obtained, yet for some reason, EME isn't. Maybe its an order from BHS, and they haven't caught up with GF yet (I think GF only started doing that in RK patch? idk). Or, maybe BHS is just a scapegoat, and EME believes they'll get better revenue from following the korean freemium/grind-your-life-away model. Hard to tell tbh.

I don't think it's about freedom or anything, it's about workload, and in the end I'm sure BHS cares most about results (so it's not like BHS will be mad as long as they're making money). It's not like GF only made progression easier and that's it. They added extreme content to the game, and created cash shop items that leveraged the extreme content. So they created an entire "custom balance" for the game (and economy) that still made money and retained customers. But that's an awful lot of money invested on GF's side to almost make their own version of the game. As far as I know, none of the other publishers worldwide are doing that (at least, not to that degree).

Every company has to choose where it makes sense to invest their time/resources for maximum RoI. In the case of EME, where they're a sister-company to BHS, having people in the Korean office do work and have someone in the North American office do work to undo/alter that work (and keep up with those changes every subsequent build) could easily be seen as a waste of money. I imagine EME would rather their employees spend time doing the things only they can do, not doing things BHS should be doing.

Of course, none of that explanation makes the situation better for us players, so please don't take this as a justification or "defense" of what they're doing. I would *really like* if they made a custom build of TERA that addressed in particular the borderline-obsession BHS has with RNG slot machines in nearly every aspect of progression, which makes everything hateful. Technically speaking they have the ability to do it, and so that's what makes the fact they're not more frustrating. But in the end, this is why I said that the point that really matters here is reinforcing clearly the pain points for what we've got. If the pain gets strong enough, and the effect is visible enough on the metrics (money, playtime, logins, etc.) sooner or later they'll have to find some way of addressing it.
This is how i see this:


En Masse has a certain point of view about business and at least i cannot say that they are wrong or right ( they have limited resources and they are probably trying their best to make everything work on their part .. though this affects us as a players in a certain way and i am going to stop here ).

What really happens is that the game itself is the type of game that usually gets a small investment from the developer ( the gender lock with the PvE content being recycled happened for a reason ) with the hope to make as much profit as possible and invest all that profit into other games that get a low investment and again make as much profit as possible ( we should probably be happy that we are able to get any attention for our PC version and more over since it existed for so many years already ). I mean, this kind of business is like building a cheap car with second hand parts and using it as a taxi until it breaks then repair it and use it again as a taxi then repair it and use it again as a taxi then repair it and use it as a taxi then repair it until it breaks and finally sell it for scrap metal and build another car with second hand materials to use it as a taxi.

This kind of business model existed in our world for many decades and BHS is not the first to take this route.


What happens with Gameforge is that they seem to believe that Tera PC is a valuable gem that can bring so much more profit if polished properly and it is much more worth to do that instead of using it as a second hand car for Taxi... But sadly, they need to do a titanic effort to keep up with the real actions from BHS like making Heroic Oath so very expensive or splitting the gear into PvP and PvE which might kill the non equalized battlegrounds because the PvErs might not want to grind Heroic Oath for PvE which is already so very exausting then grind another similar set -in terms of difficulty at least- for PvP .. So the queues for non equalized might take hours again.


We will have to see.. But at least... the EU version is so much more enjoyable that it makes me jealous.
@Vulcarion GF has had elleons tokens since 2016, it's just that with the gearing revamp patch they became more worth it
TERA PC - General Discussion#105 spung12/04/2018, 09:22 AM
Not sure why people comparing GF to EME.
GF is an independent publisher. That means they can modify the game under their own discretion without foot stepping what BHS dedicates. So long they pay them royalties from the items sold in their shop, BHS don't have a nay saying.

That of course isn't the same with EME which is 100% owned by BHS. Since the model seems to work pretty well for them all these years, they would never risk making radical changes that could potentially ruin what they built.
TERA PC - General Discussion#106 Nopi12/04/2018, 04:02 PM
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Then as I said before, dwindling NA population and revenue will be the result of their reluctance to work with the region's specific wants and needs. Yes, it's a Korean game, but we are not Korean players, and despite us all being human beings, Koreans prefer (or are simply accustomed to) a different play style that we don't much like over here. BHS knows that already. It's not that the general population hates gamble boxes (I abhor them but that's just me), but the over abundance of RNG in nearly everything simply tires the heart and causes people to give up.

GF invested and played a gamble based on what they thought their region would benefit most, and so far they are having good results. For how long? We don't know. But for now they can ride that wave of mild success. While here in NA people keep voicing and voicing and letting the publisher know that this isn't the game NA wants, yet it all seems to fall on deaf ears. So what is left for people to do? To move on. In the end, this is entertainment, and there's plenty of it out there. In 2018, I thought devs and publishers didn't need examples to let them know how vulnerable their companies can be if they fail to deliver.
Vulcarion wrote: »
Yeah, it really doesn't make sense. GF is free to enact their interpretation of how core progression items can be obtained, yet for some reason, EME isn't. Maybe its an order from BHS, and they haven't caught up with GF yet (I think GF only started doing that in RK patch? idk). Or, maybe BHS is just a scapegoat, and EME believes they'll get better revenue from following the korean freemium/grind-your-life-away model. Hard to tell tbh.

The trouble is that EME doesn't really have an "interpretation," or in the interest of the staff any dissidence with Bluehole's intentions goes unmentioned. It's commonly said by EME staff, in fact, that events are tailored in a way not to interfere with gearing progression. Given feedback about gearing progression is widely negative, it should come as no surprise that feedback on the event is negative, especially in the context that the scrolls can reverse progression made by players if they have poor luck.

Because Gameforge's success in EU finds its way back to Bluehole in a capacity as well, they are given a pass despite offering players that much better of an experience than their NA counterpart; or at least that's the way it looks. You can't help but be envious of their players for how much better they've got it, as much as those of us here try and remain positive. There's just something to be said about an independent publisher servicing a game better than the child company of the owners of the intellectual property.

On a positive note, perhaps the holiday goings-on will be more desirable.
Can i use this thread to also share some feedback? I mean, i was somewhat satisfied with the results from the Punch Up scrolls until i was able to gather seven scrolls that can downgrade stormcry and i have decided to use them on my brawler alt thinking that i should be able to go up from +2SC at least once if not twice with some luck.. But the truth is that i have failed with all the seven scrolls and i am still at +2SC.

Also, i have opened a grand total of x33 Rare Tanly boxes and i was able to find only two non downgrade scrolls for stormcry in there from which both obviously failed at enchanting ( it was probably better to sell the boxes at 7k each some days ago and try the normal way ).

So? Were we supposed to fail this much?
they trying to push korean slave trends in NA market, lmao. i give up im quitting
TERA PC - General Discussion#110 spung12/06/2018, 12:10 AM
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
Can i use this thread to also share some feedback? I mean, i was somewhat satisfied with the results from the Punch Up scrolls until i was able to gather seven scrolls that can downgrade stormcry and i have decided to use them on my brawler alt thinking that i should be able to go up from +2SC at least once if not twice with some luck.. But the truth is that i have failed with all the seven scrolls and i am still at +2SC.

Also, i have opened a grand total of x33 Rare Tanly boxes and i was able to find only two non downgrade scrolls for stormcry in there from which both obviously failed at enchanting ( it was probably better to sell the boxes at 7k each some days ago and try the normal way ).

So? Were we supposed to fail this much?

From my results you seem to have gotten an extreme case of bad luck. I was able to enchant my glove from +3 up to +8 exclusively using these set of scrolls. Mind you I never used degrading scrolls above +6. I also got my weapon +9 from +8 using the same scrolls. And enchanted a few frost weap+glove. The enchanting chance is sitting roughly around 30% as far as my results and probably higher.

Regarding the number of rare scrolls I've obtained was around 6 from 16 or so cases I have opened in which half of them was successful in enchanting.

Of course I cannot be the judge of this because I could be an example of extreme good luck (which I don't believe). A much larger sample need to be taken.
TERA PC - General Discussion#111 TJKat12/06/2018, 01:13 AM
My success rate with Frostmetal scrolls is sitting at around 30% too.

Stormcry scrolls on the other hand, 0% success rate.
spung wrote: »
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
Can i use this thread to also share some feedback? I mean, i was somewhat satisfied with the results from the Punch Up scrolls until i was able to gather seven scrolls that can downgrade stormcry and i have decided to use them on my brawler alt thinking that i should be able to go up from +2SC at least once if not twice with some luck.. But the truth is that i have failed with all the seven scrolls and i am still at +2SC.

Also, i have opened a grand total of x33 Rare Tanly boxes and i was able to find only two non downgrade scrolls for stormcry in there from which both obviously failed at enchanting ( it was probably better to sell the boxes at 7k each some days ago and try the normal way ).

So? Were we supposed to fail this much?

From my results you seem to have gotten an extreme case of bad luck. I was able to enchant my glove from +3 up to +8 exclusively using these set of scrolls. Mind you I never used degrading scrolls above +6. I also got my weapon +9 from +8 using the same scrolls. And enchanted a few frost weap+glove. The enchanting chance is sitting roughly around 30% as far as my results and probably higher.

Regarding the number of rare scrolls I've obtained was around 6 from 16 or so cases I have opened in which half of them was successful in enchanting.

Of course I cannot be the judge of this because I could be an example of extreme good luck (which I don't believe). A much larger sample need to be taken.

It is very hard for me to believe that you were able to achieve that much even though you are most likely telling the truth.

I had some decent results in the first few days but then it all went downhill and i am up to a grand total of ten scrolls used on different characters and none of the stormcry weapons went up at all ( i am not even sure how you were able to get the non downgrade ones because i have seen only two of them out of 33 keys that i had so far and i have opened only the rare tanly boxes ).

At this point, i ended up believeing that i was a fool because i should have sold all the rare tanly boxes that i had making quite some cash since each was 7k at the broker then simply open the cheap tanly boxes ( 500g each at broker ) and live with it since it seems that even those give a decent amount of stormcry scrolls.

I expected to not get any impressive results from the rare tanly boxes but i did not expect to be this bad ( of course, i kept asking around in guild/discord and i had many other players telling me that they failed up to even five times in a row with the stormcry scrolls that can downgrade weapons ).


p.s. the sad part about the RNG system is that it has a few lucky shots making everyone else to believe that they did not try hard enough when the system itself is made to let the majority fail
TERA PC - General Discussion#113 spung12/06/2018, 03:30 PM
@HLK76PFWXT

There's still one week to go. Your bad luck could turn into good. Just be positive and you'll get what you want. =)
spung wrote: »
@HLK76PFWXT

There's still one week to go. Your bad luck could turn into good. Just be positive and you'll get what you want. =)

Now i was able to get 6 keys that gave 3 scrolls for the storm weapon which worked 3 times in a row ...

RNG is like..

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TERA PC - General Discussion#115 DasChagas12/07/2018, 02:08 PM
Troll event
failed 15 times on my weapon stormcry from +5 to 6
TERA PC - General Discussion#116 blimblam12/08/2018, 05:51 PM
Meme eVent

I just got down'd to +5 on my Stormcry. Events not that great.
TERA PC - General Discussion#117 DXM12/11/2018, 12:21 PM
The event actually turned out well for me despite my previous comment. Used the scrolls over 3 of my characters and had 6 successful stormcry enchants. On my very last key is when the most significant enchant occured. Very happy =)
Alt 1: Weapon: +8 --> +9
Alt 2: Gloves: 0 --> +2
Alt 3: Weapon: +2 --> +4; Gloves: 0 --> +1

Also had some frostmetal succcess but didn't keep track of those.
TERA PC - General Discussion#118 TJKat12/11/2018, 12:49 PM
I had exactly 2 Stormcry successes, once on each server. It was very disheartening. I give this event 2/10.
Got my SC weap from +2 to +6. While my gloves didnt even get a +1 with around 20 scrolls.
Quick question guys: do I need to max out item EXP to maximize to change of success when using these PolishUp Scrolls? Or doesnt it matter?
TERA PC - General Discussion#121 TJKat12/12/2018, 10:37 PM
To be honest, I had more success upgrading gear who's item exp WASN'T at 100%, so I don't think it actually matters.
TERA PC - General Discussion#122 spung12/13/2018, 04:04 AM
TJKat wrote: »
To be honest, I had more success upgrading gear who's item exp WASN'T at 100%, so I don't think it actually matters.

Item exp has absolutely no affect. The good thing though, you would be saving up a lot of item exp to use in your next enchanting level since the scrolls do not consume exp.
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