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TERA PC - General Discussion: Ok, real talk EME.
It's actually ridiculous to make every single dyeable costume obtainable through CHANCE loot boxes. You can literally spend hundreds of dollars on this game and walk away with nothing. Can we please come up with some other way to get dyeable costumes? I get that y'all want more money, however, I'm pretty sure people would be more likely to spend money on the actual dyeable costume than chance loot boxes.
WTB direct buy on the dyeable pixie costume
I personally agree with you, and have made this same complaint for years (failure cap + posted odds, at least...). But they did try what you're asking earlier this year and released a number of dyeable costumes as direct-buy for a premium price (taken out of lootboxes). And even though people would likely have spent much more than that price if it had been in a lootbox, the number one complaint was direct buy prices were too expensive (due to "sticker shock"). So it looks like they've moved back to putting things in lootboxes again -- although this current one is an unusual new style.
LancerJiva wrote: »
WTB direct buy on the dyeable pixie costume

I'd much rather spend 80$ buying the actual costume than 80$ at 4 chances for the costume and walking away with same trash costume 4 times over.
LancerJiva wrote: »
WTB direct buy on the dyeable pixie costume
And even though people would likely have spent much more than that price if it had been in a lootbox, the number one complaint was direct buy prices were too expensive (due to "sticker shock").

I'd much rather spend 80$ buying the actual costume than 80$ at 4 chances for the costume and walking away with same trash non-dyeable costume 4 times over.

People were complaining that they were way too expensive at 4495 EMP (About $41 USD due to the buy bonus). But yeah, purely objectively speaking if you just want the costume, what you're saying would be the more logical view...
People were complaining that they were way too expensive at 4495 EMP (About $41 USD due to the buy bonus). But yeah, purely objectively speaking if you just want the costume, what you're saying would be the more logical view...

41$ are you actually kidding me.. PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT???? REALLY. Jesus... People really do need a reason to complain. There's been plenty of times where I've dropped 100$ on loot boxes and walked away with 0 dyeable costumes and 0 accessories. I wish the 41$ costume buy was an option then. Holy.
People were complaining that they were way too expensive at 4495 EMP (About $41 USD due to the buy bonus). But yeah, purely objectively speaking if you just want the costume, what you're saying would be the more logical view...

41$ are you actually kidding me.. PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT???? REALLY. Jesus... People really do need a reason to complain. There's been plenty of times where I've dropped 100$ on loot boxes and walked away with 0 dyeable costumes and 0 accessories. I wish the 41$ costume buy was an option then. Holy.

Yep... I agree with you, and most people who have done the "lootbox chase" with real cash in this game (and thus been burned) would most likely feel the same way. But somehow...
rng is rng, I know people who have spent much more and got nothing, vice versa...
To be quite honest, I don't know why I even made this post. It's unlikely EME will respond or say anything, seeing as they didn't even respond to my suggestions post that had nothing to do with the Proxy scandal that recently happened. Do believe I'll just stick to not spending money on the game anymore. Sad that it's come to this though, as I've avidly spent money on this game for years. Oh well, things happen I suppose.
TERA PC - General Discussion#10 feminzii10/17/2018, 05:34 AM
people keep buying them and that's why it's not gonna change. I used to be a huge costume fanatic and have spent thousands on them over the years, but no longer. The prices have increased, the quality has decreased (unless it's for an elin), and the rng has gotten notably worse.
LancerJiva wrote: »
WTB direct buy on the dyeable pixie costume
And even though people would likely have spent much more than that price if it had been in a lootbox, the number one complaint was direct buy prices were too expensive (due to "sticker shock").

I'd much rather spend 80$ buying the actual costume than 80$ at 4 chances for the costume and walking away with same trash non-dyeable costume 4 times over.

People were complaining that they were way too expensive at 4495 EMP (About $41 USD due to the buy bonus). But yeah, purely objectively speaking if you just want the costume, what you're saying would be the more logical view...

I was one of those people complaining about how much they cost. 41 dollars for 1 dress that you will never own, only renting, when I could buy 2 dresses for myself in real life. I feel like they could have been lower in price, dyable or not. 41 dollars for account bound outfits, I can see paying.
LancerJiva wrote: »
WTB direct buy on the dyeable pixie costume
And even though people would likely have spent much more than that price if it had been in a lootbox, the number one complaint was direct buy prices were too expensive (due to "sticker shock").

I'd much rather spend 80$ buying the actual costume than 80$ at 4 chances for the costume and walking away with same trash non-dyeable costume 4 times over.

People were complaining that they were way too expensive at 4495 EMP (About $41 USD due to the buy bonus). But yeah, purely objectively speaking if you just want the costume, what you're saying would be the more logical view...

I was one of those people complaining about how much they cost. 41 dollars for 1 dress that you will never own, only renting, when I could buy 2 dresses for myself in real life. I feel like they could have been lower in price, dyable or not. 41 dollars for account bound outfits, I can see paying.

It's not that $41 is a good price for an in-game item (obviously it's too expensive), but it is when you compare it to lootboxes where the average spend to actually get the prize is $50-60+ (if not way more, since there's no cap), so it's worth the trade off in comparison. But the typical 150/195/250/295 EMP lootboxes mask that so people don't think about the total cost when the roll $2/3 at a time, so people probably actually spend more.

Now, this new lootbox this time... honestly, rather than being like Kyra's (as some suggested), it's actually a bit more like golden gift boxes (except without gifting but add the 20 keys). But the net effect is that, for people who just want the new costume, it's much, much more expensive to get and no cap. Basically the only feasible way is trade, but that depends on if a critical mass actually buy it, which seems doubtful to me...
I just feel like eme has been charging too much for everything the past couple of years. I do like the idea of being able to buy something outright instead of lootboxes, but they need to lower their prices some.
If it's expensive to just *rent* the costume, that'd ridiculous I can see why people would complain. However, if we get to actually buy them for that price and keep them permanently I don't see a reason to complain about 41$. Pretty sure dyeable costumes on EU run about the same amount.

It's also pretty ridiculous that the new costume is currently 3+ million in gold.
TERA PC - General Discussion#15 Nopi10/17/2018, 08:15 AM
If it's expensive to just *rent* the costume, that'd ridiculous I can see why people would complain. However, if we get to actually buy them for that price and keep them permanently I don't see a reason to complain about 41$. Pretty sure dyeable costumes on EU run about the same amount.

It's also pretty ridiculous that the new costume is currently 3+ million in gold.

What I believe the other poster meant when he/she said "rent" is that it's a digital item that dies when the game dies, thus "rented" in a sense. And seeing how tera is doing, I doubt this game will last as long as something like WoW for example. but yeah. That's the value of money for some. Yesterday I was reading about people paying from 50$ to 75$ just to ride a super car on a track. The price was per lap as well. So yeah. And I've known of people paying ridiculous amounts of money for ridiculous things I dare not mention here, so yeah, more about how different people value their money.

On the current topic? I would have liked if these outfits came in both ways. A chance way for the daring, and a direct buy for those not wanting to deal with the stuff. Right now, the dyeable wraps costume is up for grabs as a direct buy. If they placed at least one costume or two in this way, while still keeping their chance boxes around, I feel this would strike some sort of balance. But ultimately, revenue vs upkeep numbers is what has the final word.
If it's expensive to just *rent* the costume, that'd ridiculous I can see why people would complain. However, if we get to actually buy them for that price and keep them permanently I don't see a reason to complain about 41$. Pretty sure dyeable costumes on EU run about the same amount.

It's also pretty ridiculous that the new costume is currently 3+ million in gold.

I think they just mean "rent" in the sense that it's only a video game and some day they'll close the servers (or some people could get banned), so in that sense it's a "rental" even though it's permanent for as long as the game is running.

Of course, that price follows the number one rule of costume trading: never buy on day one -- but yeah, the price for this one will be ridiculous regardless. It's time-limited and in a super-expensive lootbox, so I imagine it'll end up like the rare idol outfit from the new year.
TERA PC - General Discussion#17 Maulclaw10/17/2018, 08:23 AM
Not even Gameforge is this hungry.
TERA PC - General Discussion#18 Shinku8910/17/2018, 09:59 AM
I hope loot boxes will get banned in games. Its no different than gambling, and gambling is illegal for a reason. There's no real difference here.
Companies are using this rng for more sales on their behalf, that's why its so popular and effective...for them, not for us, the clients
Most people will prefer to buy with more money for the actual item itself like in a regular store, and not gamble over it.

I heard than in certain countries like the neverlands they're trying to ban loot boxes from games. I hope the rest of the world will follow suit as well.
LancerJiva wrote: »
WTB direct buy on the dyeable pixie costume
And even though people would likely have spent much more than that price if it had been in a lootbox, the number one complaint was direct buy prices were too expensive (due to "sticker shock").

I'd much rather spend 80$ buying the actual costume than 80$ at 4 chances for the costume and walking away with same trash non-dyeable costume 4 times over.

People were complaining that they were way too expensive at 4495 EMP (About $41 USD due to the buy bonus). But yeah, purely objectively speaking if you just want the costume, what you're saying would be the more logical view...

I was one of those people complaining about how much they cost. 41 dollars for 1 dress that you will never own, only renting, when I could buy 2 dresses for myself in real life. I feel like they could have been lower in price, dyable or not. 41 dollars for account bound outfits, I can see paying.

I too was one of the people complaining about the price for more or less the same reason - my go-to example was the premium demon/angel weapons costing approx. $50US per weapon. Now, increase the price to $60 or even $70 and make an account-bound smartbox and I'd certainly stop turning my nose, lemme tell ya.

Speaking of, remember the Steampunk pack? I bought that as soon as I was able (a few years ago) and I still use those outfits and weapons to this day; during the lancer event I made a little munchkin (read: elin) decked out in the Steampunk set and also some funny little sunglasses and a top hat. It was great. :)

That said, I'd like more bundles like that. Failing that, if we could get more bundles like what our console brethren have or even something like the Heaven or Hell bundle.

But $20US for a lootbox that does not award a smartbox? Why not just make this like the garment bags you guys had when a new class (or class expansion) dropped? Dare I say this is worse than the summer boxes (keys notwithstanding)!
> @ryukomatoi said:
> rng is rng, I know people who have spent much more and got nothing, vice versa...

I’m not sure whether you’re for or against but it still doesn’t make it acceptable. Honestly if RNG wasn’t a thing in Tera we wouldn’t even see it going to [filtered] as fast as it is.
TERA PC - General Discussion#21 Ace20310/17/2018, 04:22 PM
Real talk with mEME? Really xD?
TERA PC - General Discussion#22 Vy1Vivi10/17/2018, 04:46 PM
That was my #1 complaint when I returned to this game. I asked my boyfriend "its great that they have more costumes now, but why the hell can't you directly buy the dyable ones??" They're all lootboxes, and lootboxes in Tera (rng in any game) are notoriously cancer. I've never seen any other mmo do that though where you buy an outfit and can't just dye it. I wouldn't have had issue spending money for a costume you can dye, but as someone pointed out when they do make them available for direct purchase they're unreasonably expensive. They really know greed and bad business that is for sure.

How about making all of the outfits available including the dyable ones so people can just buy them. Haven't they considered they'd make a lot of money that way in the long run? I can't imagine how many people are buying the lootboxes right now. I'm certainly not. Not even that new $20 Halloween one.
that's what I meant , when the game closes or if you get banned, or if there is a server merger and you have too many characters and have to delete characters that have costumes, mounts, and so on bound to them, then you lose those thing that you paid for....meaning that we don't own anything in the game, we are just renting them until the game closes, banned, or having to delete characters.
I do feel like if they made account bound items again, then 40 dollars for anything wouldn't be so bad. it seems we are getting milked before the slaughter......so i quit saying moo until they make it worth my money to spend again.
TERA PC - General Discussion#24 Zoknahal10/17/2018, 06:09 PM
just saying, a lot of costumes in EU are direct purchase, yes, even the dyable ones, for a fairly reasonable price too.

EME should learn from em.
Did you guys know that on EU tera there are basically no costume lootboxes? And you can buy costumes directly from shot? :astonished:
If you easily drop 100$ or 40$ to roll for dyeable costumes on Tera just go play bdo. !50$ for everything you need and maybe 20$ for an additional pet. Then that's it outside of choice of subscription which is 15$ a month. Not much if it is only a month. I am not say do not play tera but only reason i do not play bdo is because f2p player.
YMWTH54PXG wrote: »
Did you guys know that on EU tera there are basically no costume lootboxes? And you can buy costumes directly from shot? :astonished:

I'm not so desperate to play the game that I'm about to pick up and migrate to a completely different region, thanks.
YMWTH54PXG wrote: »
Did you guys know that on EU tera there are basically no costume lootboxes? And you can buy costumes directly from shot? :astonished:

They have some costumes (dyeable and non) in what are basically garment boxes. At that same time, you are right that they have more cosmetics available for direct sale.
TERA PC - General Discussion#29 Nopi10/17/2018, 08:15 PM
I will always bring GW2's wardrobe example as a good example of how a wardrobe should more or less function. See, you buy an outfit ONCE. And it's yours for you to use on all your characters, old and new, and you can dye it for free (though you must unlock most colors through penny or grind) usually in four sections instead of Tera's one. Same with actual armor pieces for chest, head, hands and feet. Anything you unlock (by wearing a piece with that look) is saved in your wardrobe so you can change the appearance of future armor pieces you wear through easily obtainble tokens. And as a bonus, outfits and armor pieces use no inventory space. They are placed and accessed universally through the wardrobe menu, which never gets 'too full'. So win win here.

Please, BHS, follow something similar and I'm sure Tera will be ultra super loved.

PS: Also, put height and thigh sliders on character creation. The current system is bad, and using an alteration voucher resets any of those changes too. Sad...
Nopi wrote: »
I will always bring GW2's wardrobe example as a good example of how a wardrobe should more or less function. See, you buy an outfit ONCE. And it's yours for you to use on all your characters, old and new, and you can dye it for free (though you must unlock most colors through penny or grind) usually in four sections instead of Tera's one. Same with actual armor pieces for chest, head, hands and feet. Anything you unlock (by wearing a piece with that look) is saved in your wardrobe so you can change the appearance of future armor pieces you wear through easily obtainble tokens. And as a bonus, outfits and armor pieces use no inventory space. They are placed and accessed universally through the wardrobe menu, which never gets 'too full'. So win win here.

Path of Exile does something similar, where cosmetics are only purchased once, are tied to your account, and use "infinite" locker space. The devs even included a system where you can combine certain items to get new and interesting, er, combinations! But you can't change the colors of, well, anything. So that kinda sucks.

Here's an idea: what if TERA allowed something like Warframe's TennoGen program? If you want the short version, the devs let the players make official cosmetic mods for the game that are then judged by other members of the community. With enough votes, the mods are put into the game to be sold - a cut goes to the creator, a cut goes to the devs. The creators still have to adhere to the game's guidelines, of course. So nothing overtly lewd or outright pornographic (because you know someone would try it).

Eh? Eh??

Observation: It seems the PoE links aren't playing nice with the forums, so hover over the link(s), right-click, hit "Copy link address", then paste the link(s) in the URL bar to access the pages that way.
TERA PC - General Discussion#31 Nopi10/17/2018, 08:35 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
Here's an idea: what if TERA allowed something like Warframe's TennoGen program? If you want the short version, the devs let the players make official cosmetic mods for the game that are then judged by other members of the community. With enough votes, the mods are put into the game to be sold - a cut goes to the creator, a cut goes to the devs. The creators still have to adhere to the game's guidelines, of course. So nothing overtly lewd or outright pornographic (because you know someone would try it).

Eh? Eh??
I'm MR 17 in warframe and have some tennogen. Now, that feature is too tied to Steam to be of broad use, and implementation in a game like this would require a fair bit of changes, which means resources I doubt BHS will be willing to spend on a game that's solely on milking status by now. On the other side, we at least have one or two community made outfits already. It's not much, but that goes around something similar to tennogen. Just not as free to use.
TERA PC - General Discussion#32 Pierogi10/18/2018, 02:19 AM
Lemme make a correction to your post. The $20 is a chance at a chance at a chance at getting the new costume.
First of all, you may not get a costume at all.
Then, if you get a costume, it's decided between which two groups you get one from (naturally, all the more valuable ones are in the group with the lower chance to get, with the exception of the new one being in the more common group).
Then, if you get a costume from group B, the new costume is one out of 12 items in that group.
But it's all okay because you get a whopping TWENTY strongbox keys!!1!1!!
Also, the one time that mEME did allow a direct purchase of a dyeable outfit with the one from last winter - I can't remember its name - is the one time I bought a costume with EMP. I can argue myself at the effectiveness of allowing direct purchase on dyeable outfits. But less money for mEME when the game is barely alive, so that's not happening.
Pierogi wrote: »
First of all, you may not get a costume at all.

Just for like... maximum precision here: you're guaranteed to get an item from either Group A or B. If it's not a costume, it'll be the Elite voucher, the Footsteps, or the Pet Pack.

Not trying to defend it because I personally don't think it's worth it either. But just to be perfectly precise on what it is. The one (1) good thing I can say about this lootbox is that -- at least -- all the items are tradeable. It's golden gift boxes without the gifting (or the tier prizes), more or less.
TERA PC - General Discussion#34 voidy10/18/2018, 04:36 AM
I hate to sound like an EU shill, but after playing both versions I really feel like NA could benefit from implementing their system. Last weekend, Gameforge had a sale where a player could simply buy the dyeable series 3 maid outfit (that's the newest one) along with the custom maid emote, for what amounted to 28 USD after conversions and things. I bring up this costume only because it's the one thing I was never able to obtain on NA, simply because it was so rare due entirely to EME locking it behind a low rate RNG crate. I never bought the lootboxes unless it was with free EMP from being elite, but I camped the broker for months and never saw one appear for a reasonable price. When it did appear at all, it vanished within a week.

I don't know, man. To me it makes no sense to make your customers struggle to buy something. Your analytics might show that the current setup of withholding costumes or locking them to lootboxes makes you more money, but I hadn't spent a dime on NA in months. Same with pretty much everyone in my guild who migrated. But we're spending on EU, because their shop has things in it that we actually want (seriously, you removed 3/4ths of the store. Why? Not even EU did this.) and we're not forced to jump through RNG hoops to obtain it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#35 Pierogi10/18/2018, 04:57 AM
Pierogi wrote: »
First of all, you may not get a costume at all.

Just for like... maximum precision here: you're guaranteed to get an item from either Group A or B. If it's not a costume, it'll be the Elite voucher, the Footsteps, or the Pet Pack.

"A chance to receive an item from one of the following groups. You have a higher chance to get an item from group "B." (Note that the costume box you get may not be for your character's gender but will be tradeable.)"
Taken from the page in the shop.
So was I interpreting this wrong? It says you have a chance to receive an item, and the way it's phrased makes it sound to me like it's a chance at getting an item in general.
TERA PC - General Discussion#36 Dokibun10/18/2018, 05:03 AM
I would straight up buy the wings and dyeable pixie bundle for like 3995 emp. I don't think that's ridiculous at all. They had a straight bought dyeable costume a little while ago and it sold like pancakes.
Pierogi wrote: »
Pierogi wrote: »
First of all, you may not get a costume at all.

Just for like... maximum precision here: you're guaranteed to get an item from either Group A or B. If it's not a costume, it'll be the Elite voucher, the Footsteps, or the Pet Pack.

"A chance to receive an item from one of the following groups. You have a higher chance to get an item from group "B." (Note that the costume box you get may not be for your character's gender but will be tradeable.)"
Taken from the page in the shop.
So was I interpreting this wrong? It says you have a chance to receive an item, and the way it's phrased makes it sound to me like it's a chance at getting an item in general.

Yeah, it just means which item you receive from the groups is subject to chance. You won't open a box and sometimes only get the keys or anything like that.
>

I’m not sure whether you’re for or against but it still doesn’t make it acceptable. Honestly if RNG wasn’t a thing in Tera we wouldn’t even see it going to [filtered] as fast as it is.

Not sure what you're referring to, people aren't quitting because of costumes, if u want to support the game, you do it, if not don't spend your money on it...
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