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Since the other thread might be closed, I will post my relevant discussion and feedback again here.

Here's my constructive criticism for En Masse:

Eme, you've been on super bad terms with your community consistently for about 2 years or so now. That is a fact. While a lot of players are whiny and entitled- you as a company have been negligent and you have broken a lot of promises that you've made.

First and foremost, you've broken your promise to be transparent and honest with your community. This needs to be fixed for you to get in good standing as a company again. You can fix it by being much more active in answering questions and giving updated detailed information about policy and game changes on a regular basis. You also need to put more effort into stopping the release of misinformation.

Secondly, you need to be more careful when you handle situations like these. A lot of people are sharing information about being banned on discord or the forums for not doing anything against your ToS at all. En Masse has also been very touchy about being told what they're doing wrong. You need to actually listen to your community and reflect on your actions instead of blinding yourself to actual constructive criticism. I'm at the point where I think this post will be considered "an attack on Eme staff" even though I am only expressing concerns and I am giving possible solutions for those concerns. These kind of actions have given En Masse a reputation for being childish and unwilling to listen to any kind of feedback.

Third: You have been dropping the ball a lot when handling the game itself and its content. Lots of incorrect patch notes exist. Every event you've run recently has either been economy breaking or not worthwhile at all (mostly the latter). News posts and emails have had blatant typos or missing content. Most major content patches have some sort of game breaking issue that requires hot fixes. The recent faces of your community also have shown they don't know how the game works at all. That is a major problem. I can't offer a solution for this beyond "get a tighter grip on your quality control." I understand that some stuff is out of your hands and have to be fixed by the developer. But a lot of things such as fashion coupon store updates, making sure your staff is educated, and making sure your news is proofread are entirely in your power.

I do understand that a substantial, loud portion of the player base are screaming toddlers. People should not be upset that a 3rd party program is being taken away and that people are being banned for having it. A lot of the people who use it don't even actually need it to make the game playable. Even separated from this specific issue, people like to whine without giving constructive feedback. However, En Masse has not been seen taking any actual constructive feedback into consideration. I know listening to angry incoherent shrieking is tiresome. But you've got to remain mature as a company.
Just remove xigncode and get better servers and most of the reasons why people use these third party programs will be gone.
Repost from user @Aryd:

This was posted in your discord, during a time when over 300 people were active on your discord:

Seriously though, with the amount of action this channel has right now, may be time to consider a re think on your position regarding the issue... I'm just saying, I don't run a gaming company, but I would definitely be listening. "Cheating is cheating" isn't an acceptable answer atm, seriously, listen.


This is how I would gather 90% of that over 300 people feel. Without saying "game is dead lul" "you guys suck", etc. I mean, in fact, I believe that is constructive criticism of your actions (If someone responds to your actions, that is criticism, how they respond is constructive), but that's hearsay. Your playerbase, I would gather a large portion of your playerbase, is overall negative about your recent actions. What does that tell you about your actions? Your game? Your idea? I would sincerely hope that you are actively listening to what people are saying. Let me start my constructive criticism here:

Your game lags, beyond anything I've ever seen before. For a "fast-paced-action-based-combat" game, that is extremely negative. How do you intend on fixing it? Without even looking at it from a "single minded" damage standpoint, survival is near impossible. "That's what makes a game fun dying repetitively until you learn not to die". No. No it isn't. A few times, yes. Dying repetitively because my ping jumped over 50ms for a few seconds, or my FPS lag became a big issue because the party used 3 heavy skills at the same time, is enraging.

No real support for classes/guides/instructions. There are websites, out there, discords, etc, that claim to be "guides" on the game. None of which are updated. EM attempts to, but doesn't quite get there in terms of class guides, as these are all individuals who poste these. (Half if not more of EM's class guides don't even have Awakening Skills listed for the classes from AP1) You actively shut down and close threads/websites related to gold-farming, an essential part of the game you've published. Those methods that are still in-game are nerfed into uselessness, making those who were doing them, and newer players who are in the midst of learning the game, less inclined to do so. (BAMs, lower tiered dungeons, etc)

Staffing: Though KTC has recently come under fire for her own actions on your behalf, I'm not going to flame her here. I will say, you do need people on your staff like her, but you also need someone at the heart of end-game content. Having anyone in the top-tier of players would tell you the issues of the game, and attempt to help offer suggestions to patch the holes in your currently sinking boat. Having someone who is excited about leveling and cosplay is good, but in the end of all things, your game is an mmorpg, which means there is an end-game, and if it sucks, people will be less inclined to continue to play your game past the "lolis in anime combat".
(roundabout from the previous point and moreover onto the issue that will remain unnamed)

I would start seriously considering about working with the people who are developing the tools you are currently trying to remove from the game. You can call them cheats, and fallback on the ToS if you want, but you will end up closing down, for good. Look at companies like Blizzard, they have 9 current (many more older games/versions) games on their official platform. Each and every one of them still has supporting staff and development. Some less than others, but they haven't let any of them die, or actively tried to kill any of their own games. They work with software developers, people who play and love the game, and try to diversify their strategies for making each game better. This is the sort of attitude that fosters great gaming companies. Do you really think people will swap from Tera to Closers or Kritika after what you've done to Tera? The short answer is no. If you actively try to kill your own games, no one wants to pay you to make more. They want you to quit trying and go work at Home Depot.

More on developer tools, why do I call them "tools"?: For me, in my opinion, a DPS meter is a tool. It helps me to understand what I'm doing, and how to do better. It also let's me help other players, as they can see if I'm doing well, ask questions, how to fix rotations, priorities, etc, to do better, if they want to. I understand that DPS meters in other games are epeen fueled rage monsters, but they are still used by a majority of people as a tool to better themselves and others who want to do better. I fail to see how "some people will use this as a weapon" means that no one can use it. That's like saying "This guy beat somebody to death with a hammer, so we outlawed hammers."

Patch Notes: I am almost done with, and completely shocked at your lack of patch note details. I have to search, and then translate, the Korean patch notes to get an accurate representation of what has changed on NA/EU servers. I have to do that, myself, or hope that someone else already did and posted it somewhere. This is your job, one of your very few jobs in fact. As I understand the deal between you and BlueHole Studios, they allow you to publish their game in NA/EU. They are in full control of their game, and that you are our representation to them, from NA/EU. Which also means you are their representation of BHS to us. Meaning you are required to provide accurate information, as it pertains to their game. You have failed to do so, on so many occasions, and received so much feedback on this, it's shocking that it still occurs, regularly. This isn't an attack, I'm simply stating the facts of the matter as I see them. (Case in point, and the most recent: Changing the gold rewards from 412 and 431 dungeons to be lowered, lowered gold/material costs for enchanting and upgrading Guardian and Twistshard gearsets. None of this is mentioned in your patch notes, and we get a "surprise" when we login.) Aside from that, your job is to moderate the game and report feedback to BHS. Based on the amount of feedback you receive via the forums, BHS either doesn't care what we have to say, or you aren't doing a good enough job in articulating the issues.

As this poste has now reached it's apex, I'd be inclined to say that I do love Tera, it's a great game, it feels good when I'm playing and not lagging. I implore you to not kill the game. Seek mediation in your current issues. Attempt to find a middle ground. As it sits now, I listened to your official discord voice chat, which was being used to discuss what the next game everyone will play will be. This cannot be how you want your community to feel/act.
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It has been over 2 years since the server lag started and nothing has changed. I don't think I need to say more, proxies are needed.
just gimme a built in DPS counter and im good
DMCAs have legal effect when a 3rd party is making use of assets with copyright property, not under false allegations of 3rd party programs that make no use whatsoever of copyrighted assets, code, etc. If that was LEGAL, media player applications (MPC, GOM, AIMP, Winamp, etc) would get DMCAs because people are using them to play ripped Mp3, mkv, wma files of copyrighted media.
Why not make a dps meter? For the sole benefit of the players who like to track their progress and improve statistically?
You have been following in the footsteps of Blade and Soul in some aspects, so why not add a meter, which even Blade and Soul do?
I would like to know what will happen now in the future. As far I've seen every friend I made here are leaving.
Its been years dealing with my ping due location, also with enough computer to run any game in Ultra cant play tera with decent fps.
I kindly ask you or any staff member.. what's left for us?
Many mmorpgs have 3rd party api support, maybe resort to outside help?
Well even if you don't try your best ^^ But honestly, improvement needs to take place, for the sake of the players and solely for the comfort of the players.
TERA PC - General Discussion#11 Solheim09/29/2018, 01:07 AM
I for one would like to see EME or even BHS work with the devs of some of these tools to take the more quality of life aspects of them and turn it into an official release of some kind.
This would, conveniently, also eliminate the potential for it to be used as more than a quality of life tool (ie hacking/cheating).

Many of us would like to see xigncode removed. Even if it's not harmful to anyone's system (which it may be), it causes most of us an increase in ping and a drop in fps which is detrimental to playing an action-combat based game well.
Lose Xigncode , get a dps meter, and fix server lag.

Server lag was why most people used proxies. Has been semi-stable to bad for a couple years now.
DPS meter was more of a tool and yall even said it was okay as long as we weren't being jackoffs with it so not sure why the sudden stance flip.
Xigncode is why everyone used a proxy bypass.

This is all without even saying optimization.
if we had same ping I will call that "fair enugh"...
TERA PC - General Discussion#14 Dvsv09/29/2018, 01:07 AM
EME, can you please remove "Boas Compras" as EMP payment method for Brazilian players cuz you cleary don't want that (and MANY more) demographic playing on you server?
And why the heck you guys even advertise your service to BR players?
https://joguetera.uol.com.br/

And a tip: Consider an IP block for any players outside NA (or even within NA) that play with more than 80 ms ping, cuz you can't provide an acceptable gaming experience and at the same time you don't want third parties to make the game playable for that playerbase.

I'm pretty sure NA Tera will be healthy with only players from Chicago ;)

Or if you wanna a "really constructive feedback:" Tell BHS to make a built in DPS meter and to TEST their game on a higher than 120 ms ping envirioment and create a built-in skill predictor that works only for PVE, that way you solve EVERY problem for every player and nobody gonna need third party stuff anymore.
The chances of that happening is close to zero cuz BHS doesn't even care for anything outside k-tera and theirs 20 ms ping.

Thank you!
For low ping and other qol stuff, proxy is used. There are people whom abuse it, but the vast majority of the playerbase who do use third party programs simply use it to actually be able to play this game. For some, the game in its current state is simply unplayable, and that became even more apparent thanks to xigncode. I think your efforts to remove third party programs make sense, but the better solution is to put more effort in fixing the things that need to be fixed in order to make players not want or need to use such programs. Make TERA great again.
Have you tried reaching out to the mod developers themselves and telling them exactly what the problems are? How far you go to enforce your ToS is entirely up to your discretion.
People who made use of packet injector scripts to mitigate the effect of latency in their performance, were pretty much players who were CRIPPLED by this issue and couldn't play the game at the level of those who have acceptable latency levels. NA Tera has only East Coast servers so West Coast living players play at latencies of 100ms or higher, players outside north american territory, even higher. The game engine, code are designed to work under 50ms to perform as intended, latencies higher than that cause desync in skill usage and other adverse issues that affect the player experience, for those who play the game at a serious level in content with short reaction times (mainly tanking and healing). The 3rd party applications, mainly the latency mitigation you so earnestly have fiought against, was pretty much what a leg prosthesis is to a person missing a leg, a tool that enables to perform at a level comparable of a healthy, whole person, just in comparison.
In relation to specifically the handling of 3rd party programs such as proxy and dps meters:

Xigncode3 hasn't been proven effective at all in multiple regions and only makes player's game performances worse. The shutdown of the major proxy has nothing to do with xigncode3 working- only En Masse working manually to remove cheaters. This should show you that manually hunting for ToS breakers is much more effective than having a resource hogging useless program onto your customer's computers.

Some players use proxy to avoid super high ping/consistent lag spikes. This is the only legitimate reason for people to use it. Eme is completely within their rights to ban players who use it and should remain consistent in banning cheaters. Some of the ping issues just can't be helped (people have bad internet or live far away sometimes), but Tera in particular has always had major issues with lag when other games have not. This needs to be more seriously looked at and handled by En Masse. You guys should encourage BHS to make certain infamously ping dependent skills more friendly as well so that people won't need super low ping to play a class optimally.
you cant do anything anymore.. the devs that creating the tools for QOL like shinra and skill prediction(proxy mod that help with ping) dont want to support you anymore.. and you cant create those tools.
the dmca just angered the developers to not support tera na.
it all started with Golden/silver talent,Server lags,Elite perks,No more fun events,and there is like 20/30 more problems.
and now this. sigh.
TERA PC - General Discussion#20 Viticks09/29/2018, 01:19 AM
Meningitis wrote: »
In relation to specifically the handling of 3rd party programs such as proxy and dps meters:

Xigncode3 hasn't been proven effective at all in multiple regions and only makes player's game performances worse. The shutdown of the major proxy has nothing to do with xigncode3 working- only En Masse working manually to remove cheaters. This should show you that manually hunting for ToS breakers is much more effective than having a resource hogging useless program onto your customer's computers.

Some players use proxy to avoid super high ping/consistent lag spikes. This is the only legitimate reason for people to use it. Eme is completely within their rights to ban players who use it and should remain consistent in banning cheaters. Some of the ping issues just can't be helped (people have bad internet or live far away sometimes), but Tera in particular has always had major issues with lag when other games have not. This needs to be more seriously looked at and handled by En Masse. You guys should encourage BHS to make certain infamously ping dependent skills more friendly as well so that people won't need super low ping to play a class optimally.
Eme, just read this guy... Sayd everything !
as many people stated,remove xigncode

and make it so your skill queue'ing is better or exact same as "skill ping remover"
one of the biggest reasons many players uses proxy is cause the game becomes 90% unplayable due to high ping breaking skills(biggest problematic skill is shield barrage from lancers,most reaper skills combos and warrior,not 1 or 2 skills,the whole class becomes unplayable at high ping along with archer,which i main)
zerk unleashed has loads of problems with it too

a in-game dps meter to allow us,players,to watch how our performance is,help others with their class when they need help and figure out why people cant break shield wipe mechs and not waste other's times on it(others can be reported for harassment tho)

these are the changes that'd make tera playable on my case,a player with hover 240ms that loves archer and lancer with heart
As you always like to shield yourselves with "it's against Terms of Service"..... maybe it's time to adapt them. Change them to work better for all of us. Or are they words written in stone? EME was once a company that engaged with their community and knew better than to resort to Pay-to-win events. Look at you now - Federation gem crates, removal of strongbox jackpots events etc, staff extremely lacking in knowledge when it comes to core game system, mechanics, gameplay and gameplay experience.

Proxy was most dominantly used by high ping players so they can play as any other NA player living close to the servers. Yes, there were abusers but there are bad apples everywhere. Do you not think we had blacklist channels in our discord servers for repeating offenders, specifically because their abuse was harmful for us as well? As people before me have said, find a middle ground, and adjust ToS accordingly.
TERA PC - General Discussion#23 MONITOw09/29/2018, 01:26 AM
The simplest and easiest solution they could do, that is, "Eme" as a company, contribute with the creators and users of the proxy (which is the majority) in a single program that is "Legal" ... The creators make these mods, and you would give the approval of, yes ... you can use this ... no, you can not do this ... it's not very difficult ...


If u cancele the proxy , the 100% of Latin players leave TERA and move to another games/servers. (Na players too)
MONITOw wrote: »
The simplest and easiest solution they could do, that is, "Eme" as a company, contribute with the creators and users of the proxy (which is the majority) in a single program that is "Legal" ... The creators make these mods, and you would give the approval of, yes ... you can use this ... no, you can not do this ... it's not very difficult ...


If u cancele the proxy , the 100% of Latin players leave TERA and move to another games/servers. (Na players too)

we suggested that eme should work with the proxy developers back when spacecats was still around. I would like to be able to play the game without lagging or rubberbanding all the time, but I never downloaded any 3rd party stuff cause I don't want to get banned. so yeah, maybe eme should talk to those guys and find a safe legal way of making the game run better for us. also bring back removed content would be very nice like iod, alliance, baldera acess and so on. thanks
bring back proxy, delete xgin
Hopefully things will change now.
TERA PC - General Discussion#27 xoBarb09/29/2018, 01:35 AM
EVENTS THAT WERE "THE END OF TERA"
- 0 Ping SP being abused in PVE for high rankings on Teradps.io
- Memeslashers
- Teleport modules
- Infinite DG runs
- that EME thread where they said they were going to ban ANYONE using proxy no exception
- EME scrambles the OP codes
- Pinkie making a private server
- New patch where EME said they took measures to stop proxy/3rd party software
- XIGN release
- (((YOU ARE HERE))) EME gets Caali's discord closed and github links taken down

Each of these points had the forums and discord flooded with people saying they're quitting and the game is F*CKED


I have alot of problems with Denommentor's statement but I'll try to explain it in a way that won't get me in any trouble:

just, as a note, i've been playing this game since the start of my high school career and this would've been my 5-6th year playing. I've been through it all and this game has been an important part of my life either irl or online. when the thought of "this is the end of tera" came up in my head today I was deeply upset because this game truly means a lot to me, more than any other game i've ever played.

let's start easy:
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We have recently issued some standard take down requests to platforms around the internet where we found communities actively working in violation of our Terms of Service. En Masse Entertainment has maintained a firm stance against 3rd Party programs or mods that violate our Terms of Service.

TERA has had a problem with proxies and dps meters for a long time, but honestly it's never truly been a problem for most casual players, like myself (i consider myself casual because I don't care for BiS and just play to play) sometimes I interact with someone who had a meter or used casual QoL mods but I never paid it any mind because it's not cheating it makes a very hard to handle game easier or makes the game more challenging. This "firm stance" seems a bit more loose to me, because i distinctly remember Spacecats on his streams dancing around the idea of outright attacking modders for using 3rd party programs up until his firing, where his stance suddenly was firm. This seems out of left field for me and it's honestly a slap to the face, as was xigncode once I learned more about it. Transparency was lost on this issue for years and now that you throw down the law no wonder the community's against you.
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We understand your frustration and regret that this may have disrupted game play for some players. We took this action in an effort to protect the experience for those who play the game fairly and engage in the community positively.

The current situation does not justify abusive or toxic behavior directed at our employees or other players. Threads that are not constructive or violate our code of conduct will be closed or deleted. Disciplinary action will be taken against those players that display this behavior.

I'm deciding to talk about this as a two-parter because honestly this is laughable to me. you don't understand our frustrations about this issue or really any issue that has come up these past couple of months almost years. Ever since the gear progression was streamlined there's been a disconnect between PC tera and the Enmasse team and it only got worse once console tera was announced. It's almost disgusting that your trying defend attacking a group of people who honestly weren't doing anything that harmed your company as a whole in anyway. Were they making a profit off of your assets? In your opinion, was the game getting too easy for people? You didn't take this action to "protect the experience of those who play fairly" because as a person who's played fairly and has been a pretty giving person in this game I didn't care. I learned alot from randos who told me when I was learning reaper that my DPS was too low. I had to buy a VPN just to play this game, yet you don't see angry trolls knocking on my door demanding my first born.

And don't get me started on the threads. I was on the discord when all of this happened, it was abhorrent to watch as chat was being deleted live, for no reason at all. I was on a server where someone was kicked and banned for spamming the link to your own chat. Not only that, but some of the threads deleted to do my own included were from staunch defenders of EME. If that's the way this cookie is gonna crumble, I don't wanna play this game any longer. I also wanna know, where is this code of conduct? Who does it defend??
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We love you TERA players and we understand that you’re upset about this. We will investigate solutions that provide some of the benefits that these 3rd Party Services offered in a form that doesn't violate our terms of service. Please be patient with us while we see what we can come up with.

^ This is the part that got me as mad as I atm. The line "We love you" and "We understand that you're upset" invalidates your entire statement for me because this is the textbook apology of:
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(excuse the language)

It's not an apology, it's not even a statement. This was a bandaid that they thought could hold over a dedicated community that has been with a relatively unknown game from PRE-F2P to now.

Phew! Rant over, don't reply to this cause I just wanted to get that sh/it off my chest.
"We took this action in an effort to protect the experience for those who play the game fairly and engage in the community positively."

You guys could think in to help and support Non-North American Players that used those stuffs just to have a decent and fairly gameplay for us. If you have a support so that we can buy EMP, why we don't have one to help our ping and gameplay? It is frustrating, discouraging and unfair. That's all.
TERA PC - General Discussion#30 Dvsv09/29/2018, 01:49 AM
EME, you can also change your TOS and work with some honest third party devs (just like what you guys did with essential mana in the past) to create some officially approved tools like a DPS meter and a limited skill predictor that only works on PVE, you can check the code and put it in Tera's front page, enforce the TOS and ban everything else.

Problem solved.
-In all honesty, it just provides more competition to become even better at your class if you *want* to compete with those people
-Not supported by the proxy developers, if I recall correctly they even kick or ban people who are asking for this cheat on their discord server
-Teleport modules were also not supported by the developers, and were removed on sight if it was ever posted on their discord
-Refer to the two points

Private servers are mostly an indication that the official servers are:
1. Has really poor management
2. The game itself is bad on it's own, so the people who developed the private server are attempting to make a better experience for people
3. There's no longer an official server

By the way, I'm pretty sure you have common sense and those exploits were released privately, and I am confident that as long "certain people" are still paying for it, it's not going to get patched. I bet bots will still exist even after October 16th.
TERA PC - General Discussion#32 FODOKCH09/29/2018, 01:56 AM
"We understand your frustration and regret that this may have disrupted gameplay for some players. We took this action in an effort to protect the experience for those *************who play the game fairly and engage in the community positively."***********************

I am loved by everybody, im not a toxic player, everybodyknows me like the guy can help u in dg's, my set is SC+9 full but to help i apply LFG>> learning run to help, i teach many people to play this game, i put like 20 players here, some using proxy others only teaching about rotation, dg's mech's, everybody in pump ( was the biggest guild in CH), and now i am loved by my guild mates from recovery, im not toxic, but yes iam BRASILEIRO, and i use proxy because even with BUSINESS NETWORK, my ping is 150ms, 150ms for warriors is death, in this topic u r saying "F#CK U NON-NA ,I DONT WANT SEE U HERE AGAIN".

sanj66 wrote: »

good job not achieving anything you set out to do but destroy your player base, xigncode didnt stop the actual hackers, what you just did isnt going to stop them either. lets see, be patient for what you guys can come up with, still no optimization after how many years the game has been out, people have been complaining about the way the game plays with respect to skill queuing and ping tax for years nothing has been done, no swim fix for the crash while swimming, no chat fix either. now lets see what these 3rd party devs did, they fixed the swim crash, chat exploitation, helped high ping players play the game without ruining the experience of others. you guys literally have no clue what to do at this point with anything, you all have no clue about the very game you are publishing, where is a legit answer to the question i asked you on stream last week? why couldnt denommenator post this himself? take a look back at how the game used to be honestly before all you guys came to this company, it wasnt the best but its definitely the worst now that you all are here.
Zyd wrote: »
my suggestion: Hire the devs who made this game live.
you guys have done enough mistakes

Do you still not see the problem, and the solution for it, EME?

If you feel that these 3rd party developers are breaking your ToS for what they've done FOR your community and your game, which you failed to, and are shifting your game out of your control, then simply employ them and give them the place they deserve instead of some useless, uneducated personnel you currently have. (not to mention that they seem to have more knowledge than them regarding economy and business as well)
Shift the control back in your hands by cooperating with them, officially releasing the QoL features that your players need after which are fully cheat-proofed by you.
These guys are popular, well versed in what they do, and are sincerely friendly with their service to the community and to the game itself. It will save you a ton of budget in training a new crew (current one have you is obviously failing bad that you need to let them go).
And one thing you've got terribly wrong is that they do not encourage cheating. All the game breaking hacks you've faithfully loathed and hunted down were not of their making.
WAKE, UP. You're wrong, and you've failed, made enough mistakes simply due to the unwillingness to consider the needs of the community and redraw the line regarding 3rd party programs.
There's no game out there that's like TERA, and I'm sure you know that. But the feeling I'm getting from you, EME, is you know so arrogantly well that you think we won't ever leave your game to die for whatever mistake you make.
If that was true, which I pray not to be, then it will be the gravest mistake ever made.
Time to wake up, step up, and make things right ASAP.


Lose the Xigncode too, btw, it's uselessly harmful.
Good job EME! Get these cheaters out of PvP! :+1:
ZingoPingo wrote: »
Good job EME! Get these cheaters out of PvP! :+1:

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I don't really have anything to say about this, except it's a couple years too late to make any difference.
Please monitor the clear rates of dungeons closely over the next month or so and adjust accordingly, since a lot of players are going to be much worse than they used to be.
Hardly bait; sp desync, auto-nos, auto-pot, backstab-fix, auto-plague-rag-valks etc etc can get right out!
TERA PC - General Discussion#38 Melyodis09/29/2018, 02:03 AM
CandyTX wrote: »
You DO know that the developers of these 3rd party programs helped fix YOUR game so people like ME would pay YOU to play, right? Every single one of them has said the code is a mess for Tera, no one updates it and no one cares to. The 3rd party folks CARED. Instead of contacting them and saying "ya know, we need to work together because you're obviously important to our players, let's talk" --- you go the legal route? Really?

I don't blame the devs one bit for refusing to support Tera any longer. Why risk a legal battle? You should thank them for the extra time you had players who enjoyed a playable Tera. Now.... well.... unfortunately, a lot of folks will move to EU or go on to another game. Myself, I'm currently downloading EU to check it out while playing Dauntless, I didn't even bother to log into TeraNA after seeing this mess. I've canceled my Elite subscription and I'll be asking for a refund of the EMP I recently purchased. I'm done. I'm tired of feeling like I don't matter to EME.

I agree with you a common ground should have been met since the last mess with those that got banned. Wanna see the numbers drop but i stll don't see this game being laid to rest anytime soon if does happen well i'm blind and will get a pair of glasses.
ZingoPingo wrote: »
Hardly bait; sp desync, auto-nos, auto-pot, backstab-fix, auto-plague-rag-valks etc etc can get right out!

But if you've read this thread, most people have said that those types mods were instantly banned from the dev's private discord:
6R1MM01R3 wrote: »
REDDOT wrote: »
By the way, I'm pretty sure you have common sense and those exploits were released privately, and I am confident that as long "certain people" are still paying for it, it's not going to get patched. I bet bots will still exist even after October 16th.

The main developers were indeed against the use of exploity modules, they would ban from their discords at mention, request and offering of them. When the chat exploit became present, they were first to issue a patch for it. But remember, they are evil.

so my point still stands ;)
TERA PC - General Discussion#40 xoBarb09/29/2018, 02:05 AM
ZingoPingo wrote: »
Hardly bait; sp desync, auto-nos, auto-pot, backstab-fix, auto-plague-rag-valks etc etc can get right out!

But if you've read this thread, most people have said that those types mods were instantly banned from the dev's private discord:

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This same dev?

Or the other dev that sold memeslash for $$$


I am posting this on behalf of a player that raised awareness about the vulnerability in the chat function in the game, and was banned by EME for trying to promote the safety and security of the players.

As a note, TERA still suffers from a variety of vulnerabilities that still have not been sufficiently patched against to date.
HugeDong69 wrote:
Hi, HugeDong69 here, just thought I would voice my opinion on the current EME drama as someone who develops proxy mods (most notably FPS-UTILS), and as some of you may remember, telling players about the major chat vulnerability (see: https://www.pcgamesn.com/tera/tera-malware-exploit, https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/11/tera-mmo-chat-vulnerability/, https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/11/mmo-disables-chat-after-players-discover-it-could-be-used-to-send-malware/), despite EME wishing to keep it hush hush and banning me for doing so, and despite knowingly keeping players vulnerable to it at the time for upwards of four days (https://imgur.com/JCVVQEg).

This recent false DMCA strike against proxy developers (which is illegal btw, you're claiming another persons work is your own, you could have gone a different route but chose to do this like an idiot) is just another nail in the coffin, and sadly for EME, probably the last that proxy developers are going to take from them. With this, not only will all proxy support for the NA region die, but so will DPS meters and a lot of other programs. As a publisher, I expected more, but as EME I expected nothing less. You could have handled this so much better, just like all the dramas before this, xigncode included. You could have talked to proxy developers, you could have reached out to your own community, instead you chose to submit a fraudulent DMCA claim. Instead of talking you chose once again to silence people, and once again will pay for it as you have in the past.

I have a long list of bugs, glitches and exploits, some of which are specific to the NA region and most of which could be easily patched. I would still, even after all of this, tell you about them, help you patch them, etc. as would a lot of proxy developers, if only you would reach out and ask. You wont reach out and ask, you haven’t in the past, and you wont now. When we try to reach out to YOU to tell you about it, we get banned. It's frustrating and your dwindling player base deserves better. No proxy developer wanted to see EME die, no proxy developers wanted to hurt the region or the game. Please stop acting like we're all malicious people, because all of us love the game and just want you to do better with it, I write mods like the ones I do because I love the game, not because I am some evil person wanting to ruin the game for others.
Well what can i say ?

You just show everybody that tera admins, developers and employers doesnt really know tera's reality. You are in Disneyland.

Proxy helps the problem with the lag, dsync, crash and FPS never solved by eme/bhs.

Really that now you want to check what can be done with 3rd party programs ? Why didt you do that before this mess ?

Lets be honest, BHS knows like 3 months about Race Change problem for Slayer and Priest and didnt solved the issue.
Good lucky with them trying to update the game with a DPS meter, a skill predicition, fps optimizing.

You know what's one of the most shared site in comunity after this ? Is the site that you can check you ping in other teras (EU, NA, TW, KTERA, RU). you should reconsider this decision or GZ with your servers with 20 players.

As you admins can verify in my acc im a player that already made a lot for this game, bought TONS of EMP (im T9) but why should renew my elite or buy anything in EMP store since the game is unplayabe for me. No thx.
69JTC3M34T wrote: »

biggest problematic skill is shield barrage from lancers,most reaper skills combos and warrior,not 1 or 2 skills,the whole class becomes unplayable at high ping along with archer,which i main)

the most problematic skill is definitely Lancer Onslaught, a skill when over 70 ping has a chance of turning the boss around mid animation or teleporting you behind the boss completely.
TERA PC - General Discussion#44 Surlent09/29/2018, 02:20 AM
Dvsv wrote: »
I'm pretty sure NA Tera will be healthy with only players from Chicago ;)

I live in the Chicago Suburbs (30 minutes away) and I have 439 ms ping. I took an 11 month break and back then my ping was 17-26ms. Came back to prepare for the merge (preserving my names): constant dcs due to lagging out, menus taking 4+ minutes to open, etc. Bit the bullet to have some QoL stuff, which made me stay connected to the game longer than 3 minutes so I can clean out characters, use the character slots, etc. for the merge. Now it's a barely playable state. If this continues to be a problem and not just an EME having a bad server day, I'll be taking another year break, coming back for the item claim.

So much for my excitement of playing with people again since the merge brought some life back to the game. Don't know why TERA is such an issue, but Closers works fine for me.
TERA PC - General Discussion#45 Huv09/29/2018, 02:21 AM
I hope EME knows that more people side with these 3rd party devs as opposed to their own company
Only thing to say, if EME cant make tools like those theys ban, close the game.
There are so may games with system for mods, wy they dont try to make this for a better game (however the most importante there is the function for better performance in game).
TERA PC - General Discussion#47 metagame09/29/2018, 02:28 AM
Huv wrote: »
I hope EME knows that more people side with these 3rd party devs as opposed to their own company
that doesn't make it right
I am, what people call an "ethical" player. I have never used proxy, nor will I ever. But, I do agree that proxy is needed. Sure, people can use it to exploit the game, but in all honesty, what game doesn't have this going on. Those who aren't in NA, or in a spot where they get horrible ping NEED proxy to play this game. A close friend of mine has spent over 6000 hours and over 3000$ on this game, and because he lives in AU, he needs proxy to get the ping to play this game. Sadly, because of this proxy problem, he can no longer play this game. Is it really worth losing so many people over those who use proxy to exploit the game. Also, I do believe that this also affects the dps meter, which is also a problem because for dungeons like AAHM, people like to know what their dps is so we can tell if we'll be able to have enough dps to clear in the 5 min (unless you choose to increase this time). But all in all, even though I don't use proxy, I believe it is essential for those with horrible ping.
TERA PC - General Discussion#49 CandyTX09/29/2018, 02:38 AM
metagame wrote: »
Huv wrote: »
I hope EME knows that more people side with these 3rd party devs as opposed to their own company
that doesn't make it right

Right? Hmmm... interesting take. I'm not being salty. It really is because, and I can only speak for myself, but I have had less than stellar help from EME. Sometimes they are great, but for the most part, the support tickets and what I see of them here, in Discord, etc --- they don't actually PLAY the game. I'm not sure that anyone over there could walk into AAHM and clear it. That's a problem.

Those "horrible 3rd party developers" on the other hand... are helpful. I've asked them questions about Tera, nevermind their own stuff that helps Tera and they've helped me. And quickly too. There's a community there and, contrary to what some seem to believe, they do not tolerate cheats. Caali in particular is very picky about what mods he will tell others about. I would assume he actually plays the game and has a good grip on what the end game content looks like for the average player. The 3rd party community isn't something that should be sneered at . They've more than once told BHS about an exploit or other problem they've found - or tried to. They are very good at self policing out anything that's an obviously cheat.

My fave module? It was the one that turned in Vanuguards automatically. Seriously. It's that small QOL stuff that was silly but I had an issue remembering to do it. For the more useful, being able to get my FPS above single digits and my ping under 3 digits was nice too. And well, my computer absolutely hates xign. It crashes constantly with it. I quit BnS because of it. I never even tried BDO because of it.

The sad part? I just read a thread from Caali with someone asking if, after all of this, if EME reached out to him, what would he do... his response was typical of someone that has been hurt and is frustrated... he said he'd tell them no way and watch it burn. Which is so incredibly sad. This could have gone an entirely different way, folks. It just sucks that EME chose the nasty route.
Sorry for my trash english, i just want to share what I think about this situation.

Who says that Proxy is wrong must be considered, they're not that wrong. But, did u guys tried to play in an area far away from the server, with ping over 150ms, sometimes over 300ms like most players in TERA NA? Did u guys tried to run TERA with a low tier computer after that XignCode bad decision? I don't think so.

When "proxy" appeared, most of ppl was scared to use it, cuz they know its like a cheat, but it came to help those ppl that can't play very well cuz of ping issue or fps issue, and believe me, its a lot of ppl, and it have made tera much more competitive since them.

Unfortunately the TERA's staff already had a chance to listen proxy DEVs, if not bringing it to the game, puting some limits would be the best solution that time, excluding most of "exploits" made.

I love play TERA, I've been playing since the max level at 60 and i would love to see better days for TERA NA but it seems the staff isn't ready yet to understand how your communit is formed. Where a lot of ppl is too much impacted by the way the skills are sent to the game servers, making a fast game like TERA with too much action looks slow, boring and OP for who live close to the game server, beyond of much more fps/privacy problems after that XignCode decision.

**Possible solutions
- Remove XignCode from TERA NA;
- Try to talk with "Proxy" DEVs looking for a solution, respecting then and showing how much u guys want to make Tera great for your players, opening your minds about proxy and choosing wich modules is worth to make TERA fair to everyone who plays the game.
metagame wrote: »
Huv wrote: »
I hope EME knows that more people side with these 3rd party devs as opposed to their own company
that doesn't make it right

But makes a difference. While this isn't in the right, it's in the grey area. EME is in the black for a false DMCA claim, so what now?
I think I have some more to add based on the "what can Eme do to give us the benefits of a 3rd party program without breaking our own ToS." Most of this is in Bluehole's court, though. It's only up to you guys to relentlessly dog them for the good of the game.

1: Get Bluehole to add a personal dps meter to the game. This is something a vast majority of global Tera players have wanted for ages. Other games have added dps meters that only show the player their own personal dps. This would give players what they desire and keep the majority of toxic behavior related to meters out.

2: And again, as I said before, ask Bluehole to make skills like archer's Rapid Fire less ping dependent so that players don't feel like they need to use 3rd party programs to do relevant damage when they already have decent ping.

3: The other reason proxy is used is for "quality of life" even though some of that is debatable on whether it's QoL or just outright cheating. I learned through other players that proxy has options like auto potion consumption. Bluehole added auto potion pets not too long ago. En Masse and Bluehole should sit down and look into what QoL benefits proxy offers and add things like those pets into the game. However, if that route is taken, both entities need to be careful to not put them behind a paywall or behind heavy rng.
TERA PC - General Discussion#53 aeee9809/29/2018, 02:48 AM
The tl;dr is this: (I said this to a few communities before)

If you don't respect your community, your community will leave.

When evaluating any situation, you must figure out why there is this situation in the first place.

In this case, the questions are:

"Why do so many people use third-party tools?" and "What is it used for?"

The answer is to solve many of the missing tools people wanted and issues the game cannot fixed. (Eg: The infamous skill-prediction to eliminate ping tax, DPS meter to compete with others or even themselves)

Then from there, you will ask if it is necessary to remove this. If it is a threat (game-breaking bug) then remove it. No one will blame you for killing glitches, unless they are bad players who don't know how to do it the normal way.

However, to many, removing said 3PAs will negatively affect their experience in the game. Coupled with the fact that their experience is already diminished by the poor quality of service, the removal will just cause them to just leave because there is just no reason to stay anymore.

As a personal feel. I play this game at above 280ms constant. Without the advent of DPS meters, I wouldn't even know that I lose more than half of my damage to latency.

In an MMO like Tera, losing even 10% of your damage could result in having many content being absolutely unplayable without being carried by your friends. In fact, in my case, I could be in BiS, and may not even be able to outdps a player in Frostmetal with low ping because of the approx 50% increase in cast time. Not to mention that this ping tax makes anyone twice as susceptible to dying due to latency in dodging.

People may argue that "this is an NA game" but if that is the case, why is Tera NA's service extended to many countries outside of NA?

Even in the case of people living within the region specified, it is impossible to put everyone below 100ms as it requires dedicated routing servers only top notch companies like Riot Games can afford.

If you want me to be honest, this actually isn't the reason why people will leave, in fact that is the last straw actual dedicated players can tolerate. Players who have actively discounted the multiple times patches and patch notes were poor in quality and filled with bugs. Players who have actively discounted the multiple times events give too much or too little. Players who are at the brink of giving up on the game because there is just not enough content to keep them going.

Players can be whiny at times, but in this case, there is really no excuse.

Either EME brings out an active solution which even BHS can't provide, or just let the third party developers do their thing and actually work with them.

In this case, the answer is very obvious.
Well, this is kinda weird, you ask for feedback when the community has been giving feedback for ages, and it has always been ignored. Please don't take this as an insult/attack/anything of the sort.
It's just that I can't help but question how much of this feedback is even going to be reviewed.
The lack of transparency on EMEs side on the last few years has been nothing but disheartening.

In any case, I'll put my doubts aside and hope maybe this time the feedback gets through.
So here it is:

The game desperately needs to fix a LOT of issues.
The search for solutions to these issues is what birthed all of those 3rd party apps and NOT the desire for cheating.
Though certainly everything that is made can be abused (be it the proxy, the DPS meters or even Xingcode) the creators of these tools did not want (and activley worked against) these things being abused.

Here are the main issues tera has:

Very low FPS, terrible optimization.

Class balance issues

Lag, unstable servers, ping dependant gameplay. (With no support to players who have high ping)

Lack of a way to gauge your own skill rotations and damage other than analyzing recorded footage and manually summing up damage.
(Yes people could be mean to others with dps meters, but that would not be it's intended use,
just like with chat, if any abuse happens, there is a log to resort to and dsciplinary actions can be taken.)

Content being changed without prior notice, rewards constantly nerfed to prolong the grind.

Extremely lazy patch notes which miss key details of the patch.

Lack of transparency and interaction with the playerbase. Preferring to silence those who complain rather than solving the issues being complained about.

More and more cosmetics with stats in the store, most of which are tied to lootboxes. Not only providing an unreachable standard for those who grind their way thorough the game, but also promoting gambling. (And please don't say that the "side" prizes in the lootboxes are worth it because they really aren't.)

A lack of understanding of the games local economy, playerbase and sometimes even gameplay/mechanics.
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Well, that's it. Tera holds a very dear place in my heart, it was my first MMO. And I wish I could keep supporting it. However until actions are taken to solve these issues I don't think I'll be able to play.

Thank you for the service you have provided for all of these years.
I hope you guys find solutions to all of these issues.

PS, consider hiring the people who made the 3rd party apps or even ask players who know how to code for a hand, I'm sure many would volunteer. We all want to be able to enjoy the game in full.
Bluehydra wrote: »
Well, this is kinda weird, you ask for feedback when the community has been giving feedback for ages, and it has always been ignored. Please don't take this as an insult/attack/anything of the sort.
It's just that I can't help but question how much of this feedback is even going to be reviewed.
The lack of transparency on EMEs side on the last few years has been nothing but disheartening.

In any case, I'll put my doubts aside and hope maybe this time the feedback gets through.
So here it is:

The game desperately needs to fix a LOT of issues.
The search for solutions to these issues is what birthed all of those 3rd party apps and NOT the desire for cheating.
Though certainly everything that is made can be abused (be it the proxy, the DPS meters or even Xingcode) the creators of these tools did not want (and activley worked against) these things being abused.

Here are the main issues tera has:

Very low FPS, terrible optimization.

Class balance issues

Lag, unstable servers, ping dependant gameplay. (With no support to players who have high ping)

Lack of a way to gauge your own skill rotations and damage other than analyzing recorded footage and manually summing up damage.
(Yes people could be mean to others with dps meters, but that would not be it's intended use,
just like with chat, if any abuse happens, there is a log to resort to and dsciplinary actions can be taken.)

Content being changed without prior notice, rewards constantly nerfed to prolong the grind.

Extremely lazy patch notes which miss key details of the patch.

Lack of transparency and interaction with the playerbase. Preferring to silence those who complain rather than solving the issues being complained about.

More and more cosmetics with stats in the store, most of which are tied to lootboxes. Not only providing an unreachable standard for those who grind their way thorough the game, but also promoting gambling. (And please don't say that the "side" prizes in the lootboxes are worth it because they really aren't.)

A lack of understanding of the games local economy, playerbase and sometimes even gameplay/mechanics.
Well, that's it. Tera holds a very dear place in my heart, it was my first MMO. And I wish I could keep supporting it. However until actions are taken to solve these issues I don't think I'll be able to play.

Thank you for the service you have provided for all of these years.
I hope you guys find solutions to all of these issues.

PS, consider hiring the people who made the 3rd party apps or even ask players who know how to code for a hand, I'm sure many would volunteer. We all want to be able to enjoy the game in full.



Holy cow, Blue. I haven't seen you here in AGES. This is how you know EME has messed up, when the old players from Alliance pre-65 days come out of the wood works to remind you that suggestions and feedback were never listened to from the get-go. Love you Blue! -Baniii.
The game is great, but making desitions to keep the game alive is very important, if everyone is complaining about 3rd program why u just dont do it yourself in the game for everyone, im playing moslty at 200 ms and i cant even pvp to someone who lives in NA because when i finish a combo the enemy can order a pizza literally, also my pc runs BTF V full ultra 60 fps, for this one i have to play all settings down just to keep 40 fps, i already have 2k hours on this game non stop i start 3 months ago playing it, so if you guys want to keep the game alive think about it cuz if i dont see any changes from now ill leave too like the 90% of the server (im in a 1 hour and so queue for corsair stronhold)
TERA PC - General Discussion#57 metagame09/29/2018, 03:00 AM
Xerses wrote: »
The time EME has spent trying to combat the issue of third party devices could have been better spent trying to improve the game.
but eme doesn't develop the game in that kind of way

the closest thing they can do is forward suggestions to the ones that do
TERA PC - General Discussion#58 Drayciia09/29/2018, 03:01 AM
The best way to combat Piracy / 3PA in software is to provide a better experience than the pirated copy / 3PAs can provide. You cannot prevent use of them. All you'll do is hurt ethical players, while unethical ones will thrive.

Edit: TLDR make the game worth playing without 3PAs.
I will also say this: some players that have high ping from bad internet or living halfway across the globe will probably always be out of luck for most online games they play. This doesn't give people the right to break Eme's terms of service. Improvements to the game to be more ping friendly and improvements to Tera's inherent lag problem will only go so far. It's an online game and if your connection is too bad you might just have to deal with that. I used to have super duper bad internet. As in usb-stick-in-your-computer cellular bad internet. I know what it feels like to play at 250 ping with constant spikes over that. I have still never used proxy. Why? Because I respect the owner of the service's right to run their service.

It would be awesome if Eme and/or Bluehole could come up with a solution for everyone's ping issues, but that might not be an achievable reality. They'll obviously lose some paying customers due to that as well. But you guys have got to realize that they need to put their foot down on proxy and the like to get rid of cheaters.

But, obviously, having the right to run their service and ban 3rd party programs doesn't make En Masse's bad behavior irrelevant. Which is why I addressed that in my first post in this thread.
Sounds like bad management, protecting players from malicious software is good, however people using proxy probably spend money on the game, though the game is aging and shrinking, some should be spent on addressing ping issues or even having servers in northern/southern NA. Programs such as memeslash I agree need to be stopped but ping issues either need to be addressed or at least allow the use or advertise the use of a supported proxy that players could use. Realistically this wont happen but there needs to be some compromise for the game to be somewhat profitable while keeping people happy.
TERA PC - General Discussion#61 Jhed09/29/2018, 03:10 AM
230 ms cant dodge any mech decent if not just a memory patern and some luck theres no way an end game player can have fun at this game with that ms sinces quick response its needed for most of the mechanics during pve and pvp, unless she is my sister and only heal op party that dont need heals
Drayciia wrote: »
The best way to combat Piracy / 3PA in software is to provide a better experience than the pirated copy / 3PAs can provide. You cannot prevent use of them. All you'll do is hurt ethical players, while unethical ones will thrive.

Edit: TLDR make the game worth playing without 3PAs.

EME can't do a damn thing about the game, can't improve gameplay aspects of it, can't fix any issues or make a patch by themselves, it all comes from BHS. They don't play their game, doesn't know how it works or performs on different hardware builds or connection latencies, so they can't come up with a solid idea about what is wrong with it and what isn't. Not even BHS ever came up with solutions to simple things like the glitching capes/scarves, mounting bugs, much less to complex aspects to it like...rubberbanding and everything going to crap with skills past a certain latency threshold! It was players who came up with fixes to those problems in benefit of all those affected. Wasn't the game developer and of course, not the publisher.
TERA PC - General Discussion#63 Purizer09/29/2018, 03:14 AM
The EME we all know and love. God bless you've published a great game. Keep it up.
I just hope that EME doesn't take us for granted at this moment, well after we gave them from simple to detailed constructive criticism and solution to their problems..
Someone mentioned that, yes, the majority of the community is made of whining and screaming toddlers who can't and won't use the bathroom on their own and pee their pants in their chairs after losing a dps battle against the next crying baby in ghillieglade or something.
But I hope EME realizes that the ones who actually come out here, who voice their opinion and leave feedback, are mostly the grown up ones. By that I mean, in cases, veeeeeery grown up. Like, dude, some of us even have double Masters or PhDs.
EME, don't brush us off. Use what we're telling you, for it is what we want to help you with. To do what? To live and not just survive. You need a "jesus" right now, and you yourself definitely ain't it.
A self destructive move like this only goes to show how little EME knows about this game and how little thought they put behind their actions that have continually driven dedicated players away. My post will probably be deleted as any sort of criticism against Eme and staff actions seem to be taken as toxic these days.

So many players use Proxy so that the game is playable at all. Your customers from outside NA, such as OCE, South America etc, will be forced to play in honestly unplayable ping conditions. Top this off with Tera's poor optimisation and constant problems of server lag, and what do you have?

I fail to see how any of the measures you have taken so far have prevented gold sellers, bots, and hackers. As so many others have already said, this move will only drive away the common and ethical users of third party software. Those who know how to exploit these things will continue to do so.

The management of this company is honestly appalling. Lack of quality control in announcements, patch notes, miscommunication with players, and a CM who despite having worked here for 7+ months knows less about the game than a new player who has played with more than 50% of their brain capacity for 1 week.

I have continuously defended NA Tera and Eme in the past but no more. So many promising aspects of Tera in recent years (awakening, new content like guardian, fishing) pales compared to the overwhelming evidence of mismanagement and ignorance to player wants and needs.

Your blind adherance to ToS despite knowing how much it helps the majority of the playerbase speaks volumes. Law in any environment shouldn't exist for the sole purpose of being an arbitrary law. It arises out of social and cultural needs so that it serves a meaningful purpose. Implementing XIGN did not stop the hackers nor the gold sellers, and this move will not either.

For a game so poorly optimised, with so many glitches and bugs, and poor community management, one of its only saving graces was its unique combat style (for which Eme has no credit). This will be lost for so many after the update. Trying to play any meaningful content with 250+ ping from Australia, and supporting a company that doesn't care about their playerbase? No thanks. I've spent hundreds of dollars on this game over the past 4 years that I have been playing and would have spent more in the future but why should I or anyone else help line the pockets of staff like KTC who in 7 months don't bother to learn the game at all? What exactly are you paying her to do?

You drop this bomb on the playerbase that nukes so many people's ability to play the game at all, and then you delete all threads on it and arbitrarily determine what is "constructive" or "toxic". Customers of any product or service should be allowed to voice complaints. Doing something so stupid and then wanting your players to be nice to you is infantile.

For anyone who thinks this is a good decision for the game, what is wrong with you?
EME has a long history of doing something drastic and saying "wait for the other shoe to drop!" and then the other shoe never drops and just makes the game worse.
Sadly this is another thread made on a Friday after a terrible decision by EME (remember the server merger announcement? yes, it was also on a friday), so nobody on their side is gonna read any crap til monday.
TERA PC - General Discussion#68 AxeI09/29/2018, 03:55 AM
The infamous Hero here.

EME, you really done messed up. Everyone that is & has actively played this game wholeheartedly has disagreed with most of your decisions for the past 2-3 years. What does it take for you to realize you're doing so much wrong with every measure you take?

You never bothered talking to 3rd party developers in the instances that you said you actually extended a hand to them. You keep hiring people that have 0 clue of what they do in the game, our current CM has no way of playing this game outside the office because they do not have a PC, they have a Mac. So you basically hire someone to take the job but has no tools to learn about the game, progression, mechanics, players & end-game.

Proxy and its modules fix a good portion of the issues out there that makes this game unplayable. As a Lancer main I can't play the class optimally at 95ms so I'm going to have to quit, thanks to you. What you don't seem to get is that TERA, at its core, has so many issues that to fix they'd have to redo the entire game, and proxy alleviates this.

You basically shot yourself (once again) in the foot with this decision and this time for good. You don't care about the player base, that's some PR bs right there. If you cared you would have done the same as Gameforge, actually go after people that use these tools for malicious intent & leave the rest in the grey zone. Trying to play the game without actually breaking the experience for others isn't and will never be malicious.


EME's image along with its staff have lost so much respect over the past 2-3 years ever since Tonka left that its just sad. People used to actually meme that Gameforge were the worst publishers and EME was the best, and ironically the tables turned. Who would have known.
RIP SOUTH AMERICA
En Masse staff, please read this comment from a brazilian player that loves this wonderfull game.

I have been playing this game since the beginning of 2015 and although I stopped for a few months, I started playing in May of this year as soon as I was able to solve the problems I had with my pc. Since then I had to submit to using the proxy because it started to be very difficult to play competitively with the high latency that the game has been found, mainly living outside the USA, with the delay of the skills and constantly dying because of this. I started to use it even more after the inclusion of xigncode 3, because this software that says an "anticheat" is much more a spyware than an anticheat, and it is well known that this tool steals information and can be harmful to the pc of its users .

The proxy allowed me to better enjoy the game I so much enjoy, and now that the servers were full, I was much more excited to play and have fun. That attitude, while I'm already aware and knowing that you are in your legal right to do so, will only hurt the NA version of TERA. It is raining statements from players who will migrate to the EU.

The vast majority of players who make use of the Proxy tool do so because of the skill prediction mod and bypass to not install or run Xigncode. So, as a matter of fact, why not incorporate the prediction skill into TERA and abandon Xigncode?

People would not even have used the proxy if there was already a native game prediction skill that would override the latency difference in PVE, and Xigncode would never have been implemented. The action taken by EME even demonstrates how useless Xigncode is.

Would not it have been better to contact the proxy developers and trying to work with them on a solution to implement the mod Skill prediction on TERA? Or how does Gameforge make and make official the tool and the shinra meter? I even occasionally used dps meter to see how I was doing in the dungeons, and what I could do and change to improve and help even more my playmates.

This is only eroding the image of EME with its consumers, an image that has been worn out for a long time by bad communication and sometimes administration. I know you have limitations as to what you can and can not do with TERA, but as the communication channel between us, players, and the developer in South Korea, you accurately strive to pass on those problems that already endure for years without solution. If neither you nor they can't internally apply a prediction skill and a dps meter in the game itself, then why not get in touch with those who have developed and managed to do such third party programs and or work on a way to natively apply them in the game or make them official?

There is a less traumatic solution to this, so please rethink and reconsider this attitude. :'(

TERA PC - General Discussion#71 Robot2209/29/2018, 04:45 AM
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The provoke guild use the proxy for use the memeslah on HH
I play tera since 2014. I started in January. From the first day I was amazed by this great game. I have had my big breaks in 2015 and 2017 (this year for very painful personal reasons)

I am from Argentina and I have to play with 238ms. In my game times, I have contributed in some way to server maintenance (buying EMP from another player for gaming gold and elite voucher).

This year thanks to "third-party programs" I was able to enjoy the game like never before. It was like living in the USA. I was able to make the roughest content of the game: 5-star dungeons.

I have never had to use something "extra" to be the best. If I must be noob, I have to be. That does not embarrass me. I would be embarrassed if I came to use a hack to alter my states and be stronger. All that would be a lie to myself and I am honest.


Please do not destroy this game. The game is beautiful. Rate all opinions.
si enmase hubieras hecho las cosas como se debiera no habriamos tenido este final los jugadores de sudamerica, si bien muchas personas abusaron de proxy y sus mods con contenido "ilegal" muchos otros que somos jugadores muy antiguos (y otros que no), el proxy solo se usaba para poder jugar con un ping medianamente competitivo con gente tanto de NA como centro america..Estuvimos AÑOS esperando una optimizacion del juego para poder disfrutarlo en plenitud y que NUNCA LLEGO, pero no solo se dedicaron a hacer todo mal.. el juego fue de mal en peor con forme pasaron los años, hay dungeons que siguen funcionando MAL y NO POR EL PROXY sino porque USTEDES jamas arreglaron los BUGS.. en resumen, acaban de eliminar los miles de jugadores latino americanos que usabamos el proxy como una simple mejora de ping porque GEOGRAFICAMENTE VIVIMOS MUUUUY LEJOS DE LOS SERVIDORES y que despues de años nos sentimos capaces de disfrutar y competir en "igualdad de condiciones" con gente de NA tanto en PVP como en PVE pese a muchas cosas que jamas arreglaron ustedes.. me acaban de arruinar meses de juego y esfuerzo , no use NI UN SOLO PUTO MOD!! estaba re contento con el proxy pese a la DESOPTIMIZACION de TERA. En resumen todo esto se pudo haber evitado si USTEDES hubieran hecho BIEN las cosas desde un principio y no solo haberse preocupado por hacer dinero. un saludo para todos!!.


Sorry for the release in Spanish, my English is very bad.
TERA PC - General Discussion#74 Ryusama09/29/2018, 05:20 AM
I can complain about how what you did is wrong, but no.

Instead, I'll be writing about how I think YOU CAN FIX THIS MESS:



-Remove xingcode or change it for another thing enterily: it's plain spyware and proven to be useless against actual cheaters. Also reduces a lot the game's perfomance. THIS IS IMPORTANT

-Make ping-dependent skills or even classes useful for people with high ping: the idea is to somewhat balance the disparaty between low-ping players and high-ping players. Skill prediction helped a lot with this. Another option would be to implement a skill prediction ONLY for high ping players. THIS IS IMPORTANT

-Fix the server lag: merge helped a lot compared to what we were experiencing in AV server. However it's still not enough. Look deeply into this issue. THIS IS IMPORTANT

-Get a new community manager or hire another one that actually plays the game actively so you can get a really good idea of what's current the state of endgame scene. I have nothing personal against KTC, but she has shown she doesnt have a good idea of the endgame. If there's a second CM that plays often, then KTC can be the face and the other person can give her the tips/notes, an overall idea of the current end game.

-Rebuild your trust with your community. The issue with the incomplete patch notes and lack of communication with the players (Player Council, while important, isn't enough) has shown that you dont care for us, therefore why would us care for you? Dont forget that TERA can be a game but it's also your business and we are your costumers. If the customers arent happy they will leave and if there are no costumers then any business is destined to fail. So it's in your best interest to keep in touch constantly with the community, always listening what are the issues and doing your best to fix them THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT

-Improve the communication among the staffs. I make this point because I've seen that all this exploded due the use of third party programs which violates your ToS, yet there's a picture around showing a GM talking with a player suggesting to use a VPN/Proxy to improve net stability. This creates a contradiction and shows that even among you there's a lack of proper communication.
TERA PC - General Discussion#75 buffons09/29/2018, 05:21 AM
sigh.. well it's been fun but when the people running the game is this out of touch and continues to shoot itself in the foot there isn't much else to say that has already been said. bye bye for real this time Tera NA, at least until this entire team at eme gets fired and you hire someone who actually cares and knows about your own game. Don't care if this post gets deleted or I get banned. See you on Tera EU my fellow Terrans o7


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So, this happened. Can't stand what ya'll are doing to this game any longer
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See ya all in EU
Most topics posted at this points are just repetition of what already been posted. If they choose to turn a blind eye towards the issue as they alway have then there nothing more we can do as a community. You can't force someone to fix something they don't want to fix in the first place. If they actually cared or wanted to fix these issues none of them would exist at this point and time.

At this point they either don't care or are too prideful to accept any solutions other than their own.
ToolFan462 wrote: »

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So, this happened. Can't stand what ya'll are doing to this game any longer

Wonder if this is gonna trend
TERA PC - General Discussion#80 buffons09/29/2018, 05:37 AM
it already is heartlsslady. Came home today hoping to play some tera instead came back to a steaming dumpster fire xD. At least the memes are funny and helps kill some time while waiting for Tera EU to install
TERA PC - General Discussion#81 Ourlord09/29/2018, 05:44 AM
Lmaoo!! Please stop supporting eme BS.. Dont spend a cent.
Ourlord wrote: »
Lmaoo!! Please stop supporting eme BS.. Dont spend a cent.

I only support games that listen to their player base whether it is about Xigncode3 or about third party programs. Games are meant to be entertaining and fun....while it is entertaining to watch EME start a dumpster fire its not fun for the players. I am playing BnS causally feel free to join me :D
TERA PC - General Discussion#83 Starkhoe09/29/2018, 06:40 AM
Well this is an impressive pile of horse sh*t isn't it. You want some constructive feedback? sure: stop killing your already half dead game, you idiots lol
6,000 hours, thousands of dollars gone, EME you gave up years ago anyone can see that if they've played long enough, stop trying to pretend to care about a game then ACTIVELY try kill it, most the staff must not play the game otherwise they'd see their mistakes. If you care play your own game, the stream a few days ago showed KTC doesn't play the game and that's our CM.... what does that tell the community?
TERA PC - General Discussion#85 konvic2109/29/2018, 06:46 AM
I have been playing since the game launched F2P in 2013.
I have paid for a fair amount of elite subscription and EMP.
I have several lvl65s characters, all were at one point in BiS gear throughout my time playing.

It was fun in the good ole days when enchanting didn't cost an arm or a leg, or when we didnt have xingcode to sodomize our computers.

but now uh....aside from the:

*Abysmally low FPS across the board on a PC with i7-7700K+GTX 980ti+32GB RAM and crazy ping spikes even though i live on the east coast USA
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*Crap events/vanguards
*Crap gold/silver talent drops


I now have no friends to play with because the ones I play with are all either AU,South American and EU players(Who have all spent more than they should on this game).

There's really not a reason to play TERA anymore, who plays an MMORPG by themselves(except BDO players)? I'll just watch what happens now and see where this goes, I don't think I would've been able to play AAHM or any 5 star dungeon anymore anyways with the FPS drops and ping spikes without proxy.

I voiced my opinion, I hope others will too because otherwise the game will truly die.

TERA was the best ARPG to me, but only with proxy supplementing the game's shortcomings. Now its simply unplayable.
TERA PC - General Discussion#86 sid79s09/29/2018, 06:54 AM
how many people cheated took more than two hours and did not enter a bg, and I only see people crying and complain about the EME administrators,
if they want to blame somebody, blame their cheating friends who abused the programs, blame those who they do not need a proxy and they used it to take advantage of the game, blame those cheaters who abused the programs, I said it once in a fwc game before being kicked by cheating players who by using proxies call themselves pro, I said they are going to ban all of them together :)

I just remind you again, they want to blame somebody, blame yourselves for abusing resources
@KitTeaCup @seandynamite
@Denommenator
What do you want us to say? What do you really mean by -feed back-?

What does -feed back- mean to you? What exactly constitues as -feed back-?

This is not an attack on you, this is not a toxic post, this is not a post to hurt your feelings and dash your hearts into the mud.

I am being utterly 100% with you right now knowing full well what happens after years of watching you.

What do you want me to say? That youre doing a good job and everythings fine? That Xingcode didnt mess with my pcs ability to process the game? That the handling of content has not been...questionable?

Why should we give feed back? What does it actually do? Be real with me.


What does us, the community, typing wall after wall after wall after wall after wall after wall after wall for YEARS actually do?

Not the people yelling at you no, im talking of the well thought, articulate and well crafted feed back posts that have been repeated day after day; year after year.

What does it all REALLY do? Especially lately?

I dont think it does anything tbh, i think youre trolling me by posting this on a Friday, vanishing and letting the frustrated fire fuel stock up and over take the calm collected posts to burn it down in faux justification for closing your ears.

What do you want me to say? That this overly authoritarian stance is ok?

Sprinkling it with an abusive "we understand" "we love you" like im some battered spouce? You do not understand, you have proved this.

You do not love us, love does not exist in words, i have seen no love. Only burning, painful salt digging into the knees under the orders of God.

If you want my "Feed Back" then? Here it is:

-This is not an attack on you, i must say this again because it apears i have no choice but to.-

I do not like what has happened to Tera.

Tera now? It feels oppressive, it slowly becomes unfun, more grindier than the mines of its home country.

-The drought in resources plays a role in driving my friends away, scoffing your name and damning this game.

*Please give us more active resource giving events to put better empasis on gearing and alts.

-The transparency you promised me is that of an obsidian wall, i cannot see you, i cannot hear you, you do not write to me, i cannot know your thoughts, i do not know you.

-Your patch notes are either erroneous, has missing information or both. I must look elsewhere to other places and forums to know what youre doing.

*Please use the Forums more and talk to us, frequently, to let me know youre there. That you actually..."love" me.

*Please quality control your patch notes as i am exhausted of having to double check korean notes to make sure nothing is missing

-By doing what youre doing now you have single handly admitted Xingcode has done nothing to help you whether you meant to or not.

*Please remove it or push to do so.

-You scorned and stamped upon the 3PA people who helped fix your game, with no thanks to them, and people in other regions were fine with fixing the ping.

-Warriors becoming playable, lancers not warping and killing everyone, ninja/archer/gunner skills working properly and not needing acrapid fire/mouse macro

*Please ask for/invest in more routed servers to alleviate the ping issue naturally since you do not want us using 3PAs to get rid of high ping

*Please speak to your community, all of it, before or when making a large decision, that impacts many players as you imply that everyone who uses a proxy is a cheater when this is not the case

Those are my current feed back to the game.


To you? Again this is not an attack on you, again i must say this.

-I do not trust you, i have slowly ,after years of justifying and defending you, have just come to accept that this is how itll always be now.

There is no changing this, no sunshine.

I am tired so i will make this quick

What i hope my feed back brings?

*I hope for a Community Manager that not only plays the game semi regularly but is also knowledgable enough about the game to properly answer questions and direct new players plights. Someone who we know has suffered with us to understand our perspective.

*I would like for more of this promised transparency and communication, weekly updates, like Digital Extreme for example, you dont need to copy them or play the game 2x a week every week but just

*Talk to us, tell us whats going on, who said what, what your personal thoughts are etc. I want to know im talking to a human and not a business robot.

*I want to be able to believe in you again, i want to just know your decisions are not only educated with data AND personal experience AND player input but also so that i can use only 1 place as my news source.

*I want you to actually listen to me. I want to know that you do, to act upon the fact that you do.

People treat you badly, because they feel like they have been treated badly and ignored.

Naturally they start to lash out, aftet years of being cordial even the respectful ones start to crack.

What you percieve as an attack is real feed back, raw emotion and frustration.

That is your true feed back

When ignored and stomped upon with authorized glee that frustration turns into Spite, Anger and people who will gleefully attack you back in retaliation to your behavior



What you see as an attack i see as a symptom of a cause

Can you guess the cause?

Really look at the cause.

Thats my -feed back-.

Now did you really want that feed back? Did you even read it?
DeusFurta wrote: »
I really do want to see TERA do well. I've been playing for over 5 years and have over 14,000 hours logged in the game. This game has been a pretty big part of my life but I'm about at my end. I want to sit here and rant on and on about the things I want to change but so many have already done that for me. You ask us to give you suggestions about what you can do but you won't listen.

I can't be bothered to go through years of back logged suggestions to find ones to present to you. That's your job not mine. If you really want to make up for this your going to actually need to make an effort to change or I'm done. I and many others don't have time to deal with your empty promises and childish antics.

My sentiments exactly. We have told you over and over what we want, especially the more 'hardcore competitive' crowd, and again and again you have not listened. I'll take my $14 a month and occasional cash shop purchase somewhere else.
TERA PC - General Discussion#89 JoolDeX09/29/2018, 07:06 AM
> @Meningitis said:
> 2: And again, as I said before, ask Bluehole to make skills like archer's Rapid Fire less ping dependent so that players don't feel like they need to use 3rd party programs to do relevant damage when they already have decent ping.

So disappointed in EME. The population was finally pretty good after the merge now it feels like a wasteland again. They don’t play the game so they will never understand what proxy helps us with. They see us as kids in a sandbox complaining about our shovel being blue instead of red. Please stop being so stubborn and petty and LISTEN to your players.
great actions taken by a great company to support the game
TERA PC - General Discussion#92 EhnoKai09/29/2018, 07:30 AM
People have already mentioned this but honestly, it doesn't hurt to post it again, I wouldn't be staying on this server after this post anyway.

Most high-ping players if not every, have been taken care of by third party developers, to say that a third party can do their job better than the sister company can or even the main company is honestly, mind-boggling.

Ever since the departure of the old EME employees (Treeshark, Tonka, Minea) everything has just gone down and never up, from obvious errors in patch translations (seriously, how do you even do this considering you're the sister company?), server's becoming unstable as a hourly occurrence and the fact that seemingly, none of the CMs seem to even have decent knowledge about the game is very questionable from any business standpoint.

All transparency was gone, sneakily implementing gameguards as a way to "deter" proxies(which it didn't), giving out information that wasn't FULL(server merge names) and hosting events you don't even know the details of - really shows how bad anyone here has been managing the game.

It was mentioned time and time again that if EME simply opened up and accepted the fact that third party developers have been improving gameplay (no I'm not talking about the people who used mEMEslash or the people who abused going into open-world-dungeons) and cooperated with said developers, everything could've been swell but I guess just simply reading and listening was just simply too hard.

Everyone used to say "Oh GameForge is horrible! EME clearly knows what they're doing with their game!", I'd even say about 30 - 40 people I knew told me they moved to NA Tera just because EME USED to allow customer support to change player's cosmetic items if they race changed, why did you even remove something that was unique to you? SURELY BHS would be smarter than this, EME is the only region to have gone backwards and not forwards (and that again, is just absolutely confusing)

Furthermore, this isn't the first or second time EME has done something like this and proved they absolutely have no control over the game they're publishing, I lost count years ago.

I honestly doubt that even for a second, this thread will change anything in the minds of the current people working for EME, lost any and all trust after SpaceCats tried to prove how "good" you guys were at doing your jobs lol, I don't even think the third party developers want anything to do with this server anymore considering you took down their hard work and effort at keeping the playerbase interested in a server that has unplayable ping spikes.

I can't wait to see how the "we want to listen to community feedback but not listening is the best decision we can make" story is going to turn out this time
TERA PC - General Discussion#93 Starkhoe09/29/2018, 07:52 AM
Babbelsim wrote: »
I really hope this company goes bankrupt, after today that's going to a very close possibility.

And i dont give a [filtered] if this isn't constructive feedback this is how i feel about you EME right now so suck it up and walk the path you laid before yourself...

Things are so bad, that even the council sheep aren't touching this lol
I've been a loyal supporter for 5 years. Since 2013, I've been playing this game, paying for elite and the occasional cash shop purchase.

Words fail me. I cannot understand how you're all this incompetent. I don't even care if you ban me from the forums at this point, the insult is just too much. Literally your only job was to keep the lights on and listen to player feedback, and evidently you're not able to even do that much. As it stands now everyone I've ran content with in this game have moved on. It breaks my heart, but I simply cannot continue if this is the route you've obviously chosen to take.

How on earth do you expect to be able to do your jobs if you don't even know your own damn game?
TERA PC - General Discussion#95 iMirageX09/29/2018, 08:04 AM
Add me to the list of people that will be quitting. Words cant even describe how stupid this move was.
If En Masse doesn't have a clear and detailed message in reply to all of this by Monday night (with an apology to the players that they insulted and banned from places when they didn't even break their ToS), then I doubt En Masse will actually take this thread seriously at all. Eme, you have a habit of bellowing hot air and making promises that you break. Don't let this be another one of those situations.
TERA PC - General Discussion#97 TechGuy09/29/2018, 08:21 AM
ShiroGame wrote: »
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See ya all in EU

says the guy (berkanstel) who profited the heck out of selling pretty questionable scripts (about $150 USD per script), if he really "cared" for anything he should have released the things he coded for free for everyone to benefit from like everyone else but no, he even implemented DRM on the hacks he developed because yeah he can mess with other people's products but no one can mess with his.... the hypocrisy is strong. I hope he really keep his word and go away from this region, for good.
Hi all i care is pvp. sure maybe pinkie pie discord is good and helpful, not pushing blantant cheating. But then I see people use bern script that gives u full desync teleportation and all sorts of issues. these people will say things such as bern script sucks at pvp or thers desync anyways. that may be true but with them its legit a mess with all these things in pvp. then Pinkie works with these devs either as friends or just co partners,. Maybe some modules and proxys are meant to be benevolent and help people, and I dont doubt there are some that do, but 40% of my games in pvp is just plain bern script valkyries or reapers that teleport and cast 3 differnt skills in 1 second. I do not like that and I want that out! Maybe to pve that is a small majority but in pvp experience it ruins the gameplay for me. I also see from people auto lock on and auto plague. please do not tell me this is simply qol and harmless, dont tell me people needed this! And when the same people who do this queue over and over pvp it makes me very sad. So that is why I am both thankful and upset proxy is gone.
The true meaning of Awakening on oct. 16 is EME will awaken to the fact that their playerbase is gone.
For those who suffer from lag issues since the beginning of tera, proxy is the only reason they are able to enjoy the game. if you suddenly remove it, they will no longer able to play. I guarantee you, if a player has been using proxy for over a year, if they suddenly gets knocked back to only 150 ping, they will experience tera totally different, and it will not be pleasant. And MOST of the players on west coast are having at least 100ish ping.
TERA PC - General Discussion#101 Fezoh09/29/2018, 08:30 AM
lol @ all the ppl saying "RIP TERA" ./ "RIP playerbase" like yea, rip the people who could only play with tera proxy, good riddance. tera will be the same livelihood its been, minus the desync-y robots. doing gods work EME, thanks for finally banning cheats since you clearly couldn't ban every player who obviously used them 1 by 1
Fezoh wrote: »
lol @ all the ppl saying "RIP TERA" ./ "RIP playerbase" like yea, rip the people who could only play with tera proxy, good riddance. tera will be the same livelihood its been, minus the desync-y robots. doing gods work EME, thanks for finally banning cheats since you clearly couldn't ban every player who obviously used them 1 by 1
While I agree it's great that proxy is getting the axe as it should, the issue at hand is that a lot of Tera's more hardcore endgame user base uses it. So NA is going to lose a large chunk of it's core constantly playing customer base. They've let this crap slide for so long that people started to feel like it was normal and OK to break ToS and now people are outraged that they're suddenly not allowed to do it anymore.
TERA PC - General Discussion#103 Ammui09/29/2018, 08:39 AM
EME should take a note from Blizzards hand book, a company that welcomes software modification in WOW.
Blizzard encourages their player base to tweak and make the game better.
They want the best for their community, and understand that they can't always be the ones to make things better.
pve is fine it is personal right. does not effect everyone. but in pvp it is so unless proxy can disable bern script everyone uses then it should stay banned until fix is made
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
pve is fine it is personal right. does not effect everyone. but in pvp it is so unless proxy can disable bern script everyone uses then it should stay banned until fix is made
PvE is not personal. It's team based, it's competitive with leaderboards, and it's not your sandbox. Players do not have rights to anything in Tera and En Masse should ban cheating in PvE and PvP with no holds barred.
TERA PC - General Discussion#106 Tydarius09/29/2018, 08:51 AM
This might be the single whiniest thread Ive ever had the displeasure of readin. Maybe ever.

I've been playing since CB, never once needed a proxy or any other 3rd party apps for that matter, (while living in the East coast US mind you), and Ive managed just fine. There have been lag issues, but nothing of late like it was back in the beginning. So...to me...I dont see the problem here.

But whatever. See ya chumps, enjoy Tera EU! Or rather...see you when you get back and dont worry, Tera NA will still be around without you. (PS: You minority of players dont speak for the entire NA playerbase so stop pretending you do. You aint as important as you entitled #()k$ think you are.)

Anyways, instead of wasting time posting here, shouldn't you all be downloading and installing the EU client right about now. What are you all waiting for? Get going!

TL:DR: BYE..Can I haz ur stuffz b4 u go?
Tydarius wrote: »
But whatever. See ya chumps, enjoy Tera EU! Or rather...see you when you get back and dont worry, Tera NA will still be around without you. (PS: You minority of players dont speak for the entire NA playerbase so stop pretending you do. You aint as important as you entitled #()k$ think you are.?
This is honestly not the case. A lot of these proxy users don't actually need it (like some of the super bad ping players that have voiced their opinions in this thread that need it to play) but a lot of the core top tier player base uses it. A lot more people will be quitting than you think. Does that suddenly make proxy ok? Of course not. Will it still affect the game's health because of a sudden loss of players? Yes.
TERA PC - General Discussion#108 ManamiC09/29/2018, 08:55 AM
@TechGuy Thank You. I thoroughly enjoyed the Bernkastel optimization tips back in 2014/2015 but once he got banned it really did go downhill.
He "jokes" pretty frequently about ruining or messing with NA with scripts, massive bugs, or other ways of cheating since his soft ban.
Despite memeslash being a "thing", it really wasn't a big mess until the guy revamped it and SOLD IT FOR MONEY!
He brags in his discord time to time on how he made over 6 figures on the scripts he sells, that he jokes about being buggy and not fully tweaked for pvp and pve, sometimes even saying its intentional.
Its interesting how he has done both in helping and harming the community as a whole, but whenever he attacks or go defensive on eme, being the good guy always gets brought up while the latter is ignored. I do believe in a point of time that he fully wanted to help and work for eme. I did feel sorry for how they treated him.
But man did I switch my opinion on how he acted after the ban, how he said he was quitting Tera and leaving the game as a whole.
I have no doubt he knows his stuff, but it really made me backstep when I seen his comments in discord or reddit on how far he can hurt, ruin, or just mess with tera for his own entertainment.

There are tons of other things I am missing out, I admit I dont fully know him, but I am speaking as a bystander and as a player who watched this entire eme / dev relationship and as someone who browse reddit and tera discords. since 2014.
TERA PC - General Discussion#109 ManamiC09/29/2018, 09:06 AM
@Meningitis PvE definitely involves multiple players and cooperation. I argue or extend on the other persons comment ( he probably doesn't know english ) that most of the times, injecting in PvE can almost always benefit your entire team, if we don't mention the ghosting and lag that comes with it. As also a pretty frequent battleground player, it does not amuse me when certain players desync or move out of position when I am fighting them. Does natural desync exist? Hell Yeah, but I have played enough where I can immediately tell when certain players or actions really become out-of-the-world. I have seen people describing Tera as an action combat mmo, and how high ping and low fps hurts that. I agree with them but will also say that having every 2/5 player constantly doing unethical movements in PvP kills the flow and just the immersion of the game for me. A jaunt that can be spammed when rooted, teleportation on stuns or stagger due to relocation? And combos that are cast faster than the eye can see, faster than what energetic 4 + ar can do. Constantly facing this ( 2/5 = 6/15 in FWC average player will be like this ) Is the main reason why I have logged off or took a break from this game, which is supposed to be an action combat integrative immerse continuous mmo with *flow*.
TERA PC - General Discussion#110 EhnoKai09/29/2018, 09:08 AM
Tydarius wrote: »
This might be the single whiniest thread Ive ever had the displeasure of readin. Maybe ever.

I've been playing since CB, never once needed a proxy or any other 3rd party apps for that matter, (while living in the East coast US mind you), and Ive managed just fine. There have been lag issues, but nothing of late like it was back in the beginning. So...to me...I dont see the problem here.

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TL:DR: BYE..Can I haz ur stuffz b4 u go?

Honestly, no one cares who has been playing since when, I've been playing since CB, acquired server first titles & cleared all hard content(when proxy was not even a thing) up to this point, it has no meaning to a post where none of it is involved in the first place, don't fling it around like you're entitled to something once you do.

The servers are very unstable, no one can argue its not, from double - triple drop events making the servers lag horrendously, outright crashing them every year too, "events" ending earlier than expected, how can you say there's no problems? lol

I log in can't cast spells while I'm in highwatch and get disconnected due to what reason exactly? In the exact same scenario on another MMO, I'm able to leave it afk for hours on end without ever disconnecting.

At least 70% of the proxy playerbase wouldn't even login to the game to give you their stuff even if they wanted to because they can't bypass XIGNcode.
@ManamiC Yes. Doing that stuff can help your PvE team. Which is why it's bad. Because PvE is still competitive and has leaderboards with rewards.
TERA PC - General Discussion#112 iMirageX09/29/2018, 09:11 AM
Fezoh wrote: »
lol @ all the ppl saying "RIP TERA" ./ "RIP playerbase" like yea, rip the people who could only play with tera proxy, good riddance. tera will be the same livelihood its been, minus the desync-y robots. doing gods work EME, thanks for finally banning cheats since you clearly couldn't ban every player who obviously used them 1 by 1

Oh yea, were actually praising eme for killing tera NA for good. Enjoy your tera offline =)
TERA PC - General Discussion#113 Fezoh09/29/2018, 09:12 AM
iMirageX wrote: »
Fezoh wrote: »
lol @ all the ppl saying "RIP TERA" ./ "RIP playerbase" like yea, rip the people who could only play with tera proxy, good riddance. tera will be the same livelihood its been, minus the desync-y robots. doing gods work EME, thanks for finally banning cheats since you clearly couldn't ban every player who obviously used them 1 by 1

Oh yea, were actually praising eme for killing tera NA for good. Enjoy your tera offline =)

totally bro im gonna be so sad that all the brs will be gone xDD
TERA PC - General Discussion#114 iMirageX09/29/2018, 09:22 AM
Fezoh wrote: »
iMirageX wrote: »
Fezoh wrote: »
lol @ all the ppl saying "RIP TERA" ./ "RIP playerbase" like yea, rip the people who could only play with tera proxy, good riddance. tera will be the same livelihood its been, minus the desync-y robots. doing gods work EME, thanks for finally banning cheats since you clearly couldn't ban every player who obviously used them 1 by 1

Oh yea, were actually praising eme for killing tera NA for good. Enjoy your tera offline =)

totally bro im gonna be so sad that all the brs will be gone xDD

Dw not only BRs will be gone but all asian players. Like i said Tera offline. Lets see if you can still xD with your tera offline^^
time to quit lmfao. soon there will be 'TERA-OFFLINE update'.
Meningitis wrote: »
@ManamiC Yes. Doing that stuff can help your PvE team. Which is why it's bad. Because PvE is still competitive and has leaderboards with rewards.

Precisely, meaning 99% of the playerbase has literally no chance while the 1% who live near Chicago, even if everyone in the entire world is equally skilled, will always be at first. The advantage you get from having 10ms is absurd, you can't even compare someone playing above 50ms, let alone 100 or even 150. This game actively encourages min-maxing with it's design, and it's impossible to compete unless everyone is on even playing field.

If you don't live on Chicago you have absolute no chance of ever being 'as good' as the guy who live in Chicago if you don't use proxy, it's that simple. Not even factoring fun and enjoyment, it's simply not fun feeling like you're driving a truck while the other guy is driving a Ferrari, it's honestly how it feels playing on high ping with and without proxy.

People who are completely unable to see other point of view are by far the worse, they just spew whatever they feel like. For a portion of the community 'just doing stuff' isn't the point, it's pushing your limits, it's trying your best, it's competing for those top DPS spots.
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This is why I pointed out in more than one of my other posts that Eme really needs to get on Bluehole about making the game much more ping friendly so that people won't be tempted to move towards proxies. Proxy is not the solution. Fixing the game itself is the solution.
i agree that pve players need a fair palce to play and fight for ranking. However my only complaint has been pvp and people ignore it saying I am arguing to remove the high ping pve player. that is wrong, i fully think pve people should have a fair chance to compete, just dont want sp in pvp, disable it somehow and we have balance. not disagree or unable to see ur point, just if we cant have both, i will rather we dont have it at all then.
Most pvp player are not arguing no proxy for pve, they just dont want these same people ruining their game for pvp. if u want to have ur haven and balance for pve side, it should be the same for pvp. let us have our side of no wack desync teleportation and hack. i care lses about pve and would rather they be happy.
TERA PC - General Discussion#119 milktease09/29/2018, 09:49 AM
It's disappointing to see various people in here saying "good riddance" and suggesting that this won't affect the game at all. You must be really playing inside a bubble if you think this won't drastically decrease number of players in the game.

The number of people who naturally have low enough ping to enjoy the game as it was designed to run is limited to the NA West Coast. I know more people on the game from SEA, EU, OCE than from NA, let alone the West Coast. If you can get good ping from where you live, great. If you insist on sitting on your "ethical" high horse, don't judge those that have used these tools to make the game playable and put them on an even playing field with the more geographically advantaged.

The truth is that these developers have helped to extend the life of this game by making it playable for so many people. Most of the people who use it do not exploit it, and it does not give them an unfair advantage over you. Most of the people you see in dungeons and around the game need proxy to play. Even out of the ones who don't, there are many who use Xigncode bypass.

Of course it would be great if people could play without using third party software, but the reality is that BHS and Eme are incompetent and will never correct the issues that continuously plague the game. Even bugs and glitches fail to get fixed for months, it's no wonder that people have resorted to solutions made by outside developers.

Stay on your ethical pedestal all you want. This is going to affect everyone who continues to play, no matter how separated you think you are from proxy.
TERA PC - General Discussion#120 ManamiC09/29/2018, 09:49 AM
^ I personally think that most people who seen anyone saying frick proxy are trolls. While some may be just fishing for drama, a lot of players from the PvP side are frustrated with how SP and other scripts have integrated in FWC and CS.
I don't mind players who have 200 ms want to compete in PvP. THAT IS FINE. But instead of 50 emulated ms they get 0, so everyone who has 50-80 ms feel that they need to have 0 ms too, even though there are differences.

CS, tons of gate injectors are trolls who say they don't care or just farming free wins. - definitely makes PvP players want to continue Proxy.

I fully WANT PvE players to experience their game and play as much as they can without roadblocks. But it seems people don't understand that overall, Proxy has GENERALLY been worse for the PvP side than good.
Again it is not like most of the anti proxy/sp posts are simply hating for no reason. They just want to end the nonsense that has only been happening or increase since SP has gone public.

Both sides are cherry picking or whining, PvE has received nothing but benefits outside of ghosting. But its not that clear for PvP.
@73K5HJREXP

PvP has been dead in this game for a while. It's nothing but a shadow of it's former self, BHS doesn't care about the PvP and balances almost exclusively for PvE. No one really cares about the PvP aspect as to why no one went ahead with a solution for the desync issues using proxy on PvP.

The best solution is for people who use proxy to disable it during PvP, and for people who purposely use it to desync to be reported.

@Meningitis

They've alread yshown they're not going to do anything. They didn't do anything in over 6 years, let alone now. BHS is completely oblivious to anywhere that isn't Korea and a bit of Asia, like China. They won't do anything because they don't need to, Korea is smaller than some US and Brazilian states, the game works there so they're fine with the way it is.

TERA PC - General Discussion#122 uuki09/29/2018, 09:51 AM
Isn’t a discussion created so you can voice your opinion back? What’s the point of creating a discussion you’re not going to take part in? Don’t even know if ANYONE from eme staff is actually reading these suggestions made by the players to save your game for a few months longer till your next screw up.
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No more brs and no more cheaters in my game? Sounds like a win-win situation for me ;)
TERA PC - General Discussion#124 ManamiC09/29/2018, 10:00 AM
@Victorpresti I SEE AND HEAR YOU! I understand what it looks like if you mostly PvE. The difference is that while a PvE player see nothing but benefits with proxy, a PvP player sees a whole lot of bad and a little good.

I will rephrase your comment since it can be said for both sides.

People who are completely unable to see other point of view are by far the worse, they just spew whatever they feel like. For a portion of the community 'just doing stuff' isn't the point, it's pushing your limits, it's trying your best, it's competing for those top PvP rankings or practicing and winning battlegrounds as a team or a group.

Memeslashing plague'd PvP for ages. Its different for dungeons. It ruined PvE scores and none of it was directly influencing your run. People in moongourd could tell who was memeslashing and you CAN IGNORE THEM. BUT IN PVP THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

Has memeslashing existed in the past? yes it has but man, having 10 games a day where a memeslasher is there really kills your mood, you cant avoid them until EME bans them next week. PVE PLAYERS have been noticed for quitting the game by hard memeing and MEMESLASHING players in 3v3, fwc, or cs.

A lot of players dislike Proxy. Not for what it can bring and contribute to players, but what it HAS already caused in the past.

NO ONE MINDS PVERS PVEING. BUT ITS ALSO A PROBLEM WHEN IT STARTS BLEEDING OVER!!

Players who used SP didn't care when players argued that they are being unfair in CS. They say "im ethical" and laugh at others who aren't following them. I can play Fraywind with 150 ms. I can follow tank cc, snipe bams, and cap pyres. I don't want to see a player do 3 instant combos at Teralith killing it at 70% with Bern Script. A player than can spam iframes when they are rooted isn't fun to me.
They've alread yshown they're not going to do anything. They didn't do anything in over 6 years, let alone now. BHS is completely oblivious to anywhere that isn't Korea and a bit of Asia, like China. They won't do anything because they don't need to, Korea is smaller than some US and Brazilian states, the game works there so they're fine with the way it is.
This doesn't change the fact that it's the best solution. It's just extremely sad that fair play has been neglected like this.
They never listen the community, so this thread is useless.
You can post your opinions but, in this 5 years+, they never listen us.
In all situations, they have always blamed others without taking any responsibility for how the game was going or they gave us only excuses.
The end-game community know what wrong in this game... but nothing happend.
What do you expect guys? Miracles?

Our opinions dont matter.
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No more brs and no more cheaters in my game? Sounds like a win-win situation for me ;)

imagine thinking everyone using proxy is a cheater
imagine thinking there aren't actual players only using proxy to eliminate ping tax from 200ms+
imagine thinking there aren't players without any intent of abusing the game
imagine thinking there aren't any players who just want to play the game like someone close to the server plays, without an advantage. levelling the playing field.

@everyone against proxy, come to asia and play na tera and tell me how you won't want to use 3rd party tools to help you play like someone in the US <3 i'm 100% certain your stance will change ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

and yeah this thread is basically talking to a brick wall.
They never listen the community, so this thread is useless.
You can post your opinions but, in this 5 years+, they never listen us.
In all situations, they have always blamed others without taking any responsibility for how the game was going or they gave us only excuses.
The end-game community know what wrong in this game... but nothing happend.
What do you expect guys? Miracles?

Our opinions dont matter.
I can't speak for anyone else in this thread, but trying to get through to the publisher feels like the good thing to do since I love this game so much. I'd feel bad just quietly waiting for the game to finally keel over. I don't have a lot of faith in Eme at all, but I'd rather try and fail than not try. Tera means a lot to me and has helped me through really deep depression over the past 5 years. I've met friends through it, I've strengthened friendships through it, and I love playing it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#129 Lolitaa09/29/2018, 10:18 AM
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
Most pvp player are not arguing no proxy for pve, they just dont want these same people ruining their game for pvp. if u want to have ur haven and balance for pve side, it should be the same for pvp. let us have our side of no wack desync teleportation and hack. i care lses about pve and would rather they be happy.

no one likes desync. but you expect high ping players to just turn off sp for pvp? have us suffer even worse just so you can not have some brawler rampage through you?
even with sp, you're still at a disadvange to those with lower ping. tested with friends with low and high ping, i can't stagger lock people with low ping (unless i sacrifice damage stats for aspeed stats), whipsaw into cable? not happening. but i can to high ping players. yet people with low ping can do the same combo with the same gear and keep me locked. i can't get out of groundpound unless their aspeed is low. yet my low ping friends have it easy getting out of the 3rd hit of groundpound against me. (yes, even with sp.) i love when i aim towards someone and by the time my skill casts and registers, they're *just* out of the hithox for my skill *cough* sunder *cough*.
why is it ok to ruin our fun in pvp just to make you low ping players happy? really, true balance would be increasing the ping for low ping players. :v eveyrone has same ping! same advantage! same disadvantage! eme pls consider <3 that's sarcasm btw
now i'm talking about desync no one innocently intends, minute desyncs, not scripts intended to make you desync and given the cheating advantage, teleporting out of attacks and stuns, etc.
Lolitaa wrote: »
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No more brs and no more cheaters in my game? Sounds like a win-win situation for me ;)

imagine thinking everyone using proxy is a cheater
imagine thinking there aren't actual players only using proxy to eliminate ping tax from 200ms+
imagine thinking there aren't players without any intent of abusing the game
imagine thinking there aren't any players who just want to play the game like someone close to the server plays, without an advantage. levelling the playing field.

@everyone against proxy, come to asia and play na tera and tell me how you won't want to use 3rd party tools to help you play like someone in the US <3 i'm 100% certain your stance will change ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

and yeah this thread is basically talking to a brick wall.


imagine a script for auto broker transactions
imagine a script for wear any costume in the cash shop for free
imagine a script for auto loot
imagine a script for "one shot" vergos

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TERA PC - General Discussion#131 Lolitaa09/29/2018, 10:23 AM
Lolitaa wrote: »
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No more brs and no more cheaters in my game? Sounds like a win-win situation for me ;)

imagine thinking everyone using proxy is a cheater
imagine thinking there aren't actual players only using proxy to eliminate ping tax from 200ms+
imagine thinking there aren't players without any intent of abusing the game
imagine thinking there aren't any players who just want to play the game like someone close to the server plays, without an advantage. levelling the playing field.

@everyone against proxy, come to asia and play na tera and tell me how you won't want to use 3rd party tools to help you play like someone in the US <3 i'm 100% certain your stance will change ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

and yeah this thread is basically talking to a brick wall.


imagine a script for auto broker transactions
imagine a script for wear any costume in the cash shop for free
imagine a script for auto loot
imagine a script for "one shot" vergos

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imagine that not everyone uses these scripts.
imagine your average person doesn't agree with those.
1. auto broker is handy for people who have busy schedules and no time to play tera. not only a benefit to the seller, but also to people looking to buy without paying broker fees, and would otherwise rarely catch the seller ingame.
2. yeah that's not right.
3. that's just qol. is it so wrong for someone to want to pick up 20 loot all at once instead of spending 10 sec to pick it up? XDDD (even longer at high ping)
4. also wrong. anyone thinking that's right is an idiot.
@Lolitaa if u read what I say clearly, I never said high players cant use normal SP! I say all these people get greedy and use bern script, or other lock on modules along with sp that makes me hate this. If u need sp use it but giving urself an advantage compare to everyone else is what makes me complain. sad that it happens more than usual. please read what i have said this thread 4 times. i do not care if normal people need to use sp.
everytime it loook like someone see specific sentence they dont like and comment on it. outside of normal sp nothing else should really be used. too bad bern script is famous and ruin it for everyone. that is not only fair normal sp. that is cheating and putting urself over all regular players low ping or not.
Lolitaa wrote: »
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No more brs and no more cheaters in my game? Sounds like a win-win situation for me ;)

imagine thinking everyone using proxy is a cheater
imagine thinking there aren't actual players only using proxy to eliminate ping tax from 200ms+
imagine thinking there aren't players without any intent of abusing the game
imagine thinking there aren't any players who just want to play the game like someone close to the server plays, without an advantage. levelling the playing field.

@everyone against proxy, come to asia and play na tera and tell me how you won't want to use 3rd party tools to help you play like someone in the US <3 i'm 100% certain your stance will change ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

and yeah this thread is basically talking to a brick wall.


imagine a script for auto broker transactions
imagine a script for wear any costume in the cash shop for free
imagine a script for auto loot
imagine a script for "one shot" vergos

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@AlexJonesGayFrogs

Auto-broker? Honestly should've been in the game, what's the point in that entire process if the person gonna offer the exact price you asked for. Originally it's meant as gold sink, since you'd lose money if you used the 'buy now'. Nowadays it's a pointless feature, and doesn't affect the game in any way.

Wearing costumes client sided is pointless since no one can see it.

The game already has built-in auto-loot, it's called Pets, again doesn't make any difference in the game at all.

Now oneshooting Vergos is an issue. Now the thing is, the proxy community has heavy self-policing against exploits. The ones using it formed their own circles and went underground, they have their own tools and work just amongst themselves, they'll be ENTIRELY UNAFFECTED BY THIS since they update their own tools and are completely disconnected to the 'main' proxy hubs like Meishu's server, Pinkie's server or Caali's server. The normal players who just wanna play the game are one being shafted, while the exploiters don't particularly care for those pathetic changes.

The 'normal' proxy is going away not because it's impossible to maintain it, but because it's a form of backlash against EME. The statement is 'we are done with your nonsense'.

Basically the players go away, the memeslash and people going through gates stay, I hope you find it fun
TERA PC - General Discussion#134 voidy09/29/2018, 10:28 AM
Without exception, every single one of my remaining friends quit today. These people were barely hanging on before, and you kinda sealed the deal with this blunder. Even the people with good ping left because they saw that dps meter wouldn't be a thing in NA anymore; it wasn't just proxy users. Who's even remaining? People in Chicago, unreasonable white knights, and casual players who until now have been hard-carried by their minmaxing friends that no longer play.

I don't think I've ever seen a company alienate this many people in one move. I'm actually impressed. In a single day, you killed off your international community, your hardcore and intermediate base that relied on dps meters to gauge their improvement, players whose system setups were incompatible with xigncode, and every single person who didn't care about those things but happened to be friends with those people and will leave because their friends left. I get 60~80 ping. I played this game way before proxy was ever a thing, and I could easily do it again (although the difference is apparent and the game feels slower overall). I'd stopped using a dps meter roughly 1 month ago because I simply stopped caring for it. And my PC is a beast, so xigncode has never affected my performance. In other words, the things removed today shouldn't affect me. But they affect the people I play with, and now with literally every single person I know gone, I no longer have a reason to stay. I'm positive that I'm not the only one in this boat. Killing off demographics has ripple effects, and with how many people quit after today, you're going to be feeling those effects for a very long time.
uuki wrote: »
Isn’t a discussion created so you can voice your opinion back? What’s the point of creating a discussion you’re not going to take part in? Don’t even know if ANYONE from eme staff is actually reading these suggestions made by the players to save your game for a few months longer till your next screw up.

EME has consistently done this whenever they make a blunder. After spending half of the day locking thread after thread, they create a "discussion room" (aka containment thread) where people write these long posts that nobody from EME reads, because why would they. Then, a single half-assed staff response is written in the thread that barely addresses the main issue; usually it's quoting one of the most off-topic posts in the thread and simply responding to that while ignoring all of the actual discussion points written beforehand. The thread slides off the front page and the community trudges on. Or at least, that's how it ended before. Now, I don't know anymore.

I don't want to uninstall because it feels so final and I have a lot of good memories with this game, but I don't even see the point in keeping this game on my PC. The guild I helped run is basically in shambles; all the officers quit and the other members either quit for Gameforge or quit the game as a whole. If someone offered to join my guild, I'd tell them to look elsewhere simply because I've lost motivation to even run a guild in a game like this, where every week the publisher whips out a decision dumber than the last, to cleave the population further. I'm actually impressed. Seriously. Part of me wants to keep coming here just to see what dumb thing you guys do next, because every time I tell myself "there's no way they can top it," you guys find a way to top it. You've been finding ways to top it for nearly two years.
can I ask u if ANY ping differnce at all is fine? back everyone played with 50 ms differnence. is ur ideology really that everyone needs to have same ping?
is SP not enough for some? do u have to have auto lock on/ zz sync /backstab module? please for pvp some ms does exist and that is fine.if u have 200 ms i know it is not completely the same but do u really need more to the point where u are completely even with 20ms player or higher even though 1% of the playerbase has that ms?people have played with ms difference before. 1% of player base has 20ms or 30ms though. rest of everyone has 50-100 or 40-100.if I face a 20ms player I know they might dodge some things I cant. is that unfair? sure in a sense but this is how the game has been. I assure you than 90% of the pvp do not have that ping, SP is enough but since people like you is not satisfied. they resort to more module, more bern script. please realize that by this point u are not at disadvantage. u are far ahead of a low ping player if u have all these mods. It is fine to have ms difference, no one, no game besides korea has it where every single player has 30ms relative to each other, yet we all play. 2013 tera was so populated yet people played? despite ping differennce. SP is enough.
TERA PC - General Discussion#136 Lolitaa09/29/2018, 10:34 AM
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
@Lolitaa if u read what I say clearly, I never said high players cant use normal SP! I say all these people get greedy and use bern script, or other lock on modules along with sp that makes me hate this. If u need sp use it but giving urself an advantage compare to everyone else is what makes me complain. sad that it happens more than usual. please read what i have said this thread 4 times. i do not care if normal people need to use sp.
everytime it loook like someone see specific sentence they dont like and comment on it. outside of normal sp nothing else should really be used. too bad bern script is famous and ruin it for everyone. that is not only fair normal sp. that is cheating and putting urself over all regular players low ping or not.

i didn't pick up on that in your comment, that is all.
from what you said in the op it seemed you didn't agree with any kind of sp in pvp.
but like if that's your stance then ok :shrug:
normal sp has never given me an "advantage" in pvp. it just helped me get closer to the way US players play.
Wearing costumes client sided is pointless since no one can see it.
well there is one mod....
The ones using it formed their own circles and went underground, they have their own tools and work just amongst themselves, they'll be ENTIRELY UNAFFECTED BY THIS since they update their own tools and are completely disconnected to the 'main' proxy hubs like Meishu's server, Pinkie's server or Caali's server. The normal players who just wanna play the game are one being shafted, while the exploiters don't particularly care for those pathetic changes.

Basically the players go away, the memeslash and people going through gates stay, I hope you find it fun

basically.
TERA PC - General Discussion#137 iMirageX09/29/2018, 10:35 AM
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
i agree that pve players need a fair palce to play and fight for ranking. However my only complaint has been pvp and people ignore it saying I am arguing to remove the high ping pve player. that is wrong, i fully think pve people should have a fair chance to compete, just dont want sp in pvp, disable it somehow and we have balance. not disagree or unable to see ur point, just if we cant have both, i will rather we dont have it at all then.
Most pvp player are not arguing no proxy for pve, they just dont want these same people ruining their game for pvp. if u want to have ur haven and balance for pve side, it should be the same for pvp. let us have our side of no wack desync teleportation and hack. i care lses about pve and would rather they be happy.

A typical example of a player who knows nothing but has a big mouth.
TERA PC - General Discussion#138 Lolitaa09/29/2018, 10:36 AM
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
SP is enough but since people like you is not satisfied. they resort to more module....SP is enough.
people like me don't do this.
sp is enough.
@ManamiC

Desyncs aside, I think people purpose abusing it should be banned, it doesn't affect memeslashing at all. The 'main' proxy communities have nothing to do with it and heavily policy against this type of thing. It's the hidden, underground communities who update their own tools and modules to try and exploit the game and they aren't being affected by this at all. With this move they're basically alienating the wrong side of the playerbase. I guess they're hoping to have everyone quit and then they can safely ban the exploiters one at a time?
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No more brs and no more cheaters in my game? Sounds like a win-win situation for me ;)

Like only BR use proxy, shinra, tcc
Like everyone use proxy for hacking

Seems that you are like EME admins/dev that dont know tera players reality.
TERA PC - General Discussion#141 Babbelsim09/29/2018, 10:39 AM
This is going to be fun watching the next month's https://steamcharts.com/app/323370
(I know everybody doesnt play via steam but its something to see playerbase charts)

I know we as the playerbase who have high ping and/or crappy old computer who needed 3th party stuff to play because servers are so bad will have the last laugh.
Burn baby burn....
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No more brs and no more cheaters in my game? Sounds like a win-win situation for me ;)

Yes, ofc , like we all are memeslashers obviously
TERA PC - General Discussion#143 Shunkou09/29/2018, 11:13 AM
Want to really listen to your community? ... make a pool on the forums. "Do you want to permit an EME verified version of Proxy/DPS meter?", and let people decide what they think that is actually harmful or not for their own gameplay.
idk what to say, suddenly when u login the game, everybody is telling u they will leave Tera NA, either going Tera EU or just playing a different game cuz its so hard to restart from zero. Nobody is saying they'll stay, like, Nobody. do u know the sadness of seeing everybody u know, that loves the game, are leaving? how are we supposed to play if theres nobody around anymore. i tried checking everywhere. everybody saying goodbyes, or see ya on EU. its depressing, ppl are crying but eme cant hear it. server merge was good thing, untill the name reset happened, the name sellers spam ruinned everything. theres no hope anywhere. pls save us
https://imgur.com/a/bBD9RjK
Against facts there are no arguments it's Velika server btw
TERA PC - General Discussion#146 iMirageX09/29/2018, 12:12 PM
Shunkou wrote: »
Want to really listen to your community? ... make a pool on the forums. "Do you want to permit an EME verified version of Proxy/DPS meter?", and let people decide what they think that is actually harmful or not for their own gameplay.

Lol ofc they wont do that because the poll will be like 99% yes, 0.1% no and 0.9% undecided. If they did not predict that answer then we can all laugh ^^
TERA PC - General Discussion#147 clfarron409/29/2018, 12:13 PM
For anyone wondering if EME can go back from this, you have to consider this:

When the other publishers of TERA made decisions that really negatively affected the playerbase, they at least had the fall back of being able to reverse what they did after a day or two, because they kept it internal.

With this, there is no going back for EME because legal documents have to be completed and signed when submitting a DMCA Takedown Notice. In going back on the DMCA notice, they would be admitting that they committed a criminal offense in signing off a false DMCA notice.
TERA PC - General Discussion#148 Melyodis09/29/2018, 12:15 PM
i heard ques for bgs are like 1hr + since this mess happened very nice well i'm glad my pc is down, EME better find a common ground quick before it gets worst.
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imagine a script for wear any costume in the cash shop for free

I would actually like to point out that arborean apparel, cosplayer and whatever other mod used to exist actually made me buy tons of costumes ingame that I never would because I was able to test them out in combat and so many different lightings etc. Same goes for some of my friends. And I mostly used AA for costumes that do not exist on our version such as alice and the mabinogi one. Also mod costume swapping in tera has been a thing ever since the game came out and it never killed sales lol
You all realaize that this thread -is- a bait and Eme will do nothing about this entire fiasco once again? Its always the same circle of things :

Enmasse does something incredibly stupid
They get backlashed because of it
Forum thread follows up to *discuss* things
People write out their little hearts out
Nothing happens and nothing gets done
Eme finally cant support Tera online anymore and drops the game as publisher ( hopefully this time around )

This is the part that hurts me the most honestly. I've read through the whole thread and I've seen so many nice, well written and thoughtful posts, full of people expressing their concerns and talking about a game they love and care about. And I just know eme will acknowledge... not even 1% of what was written here.

I can't be bothered to write out a huge post anymore, no point.
010f4e853cf0042120930654c3c5da84.png xigncode are you?
TERA PC - General Discussion#151 Mayzee09/29/2018, 12:35 PM
The facts: They can pool all our comments here in forms, get / be given facts, given proof numbers players need this 3rd party program to be able to even play, and no matter how much Real Life amount money you put in the game that supports them to pay their Employees. They can not fix this issue. It's an old build and was made completely wrong. If they even tried to fix the engine they would break the game completely. So, they stand behind strongly on the Big Bold, Bright, Over baring line and say - No 3rd party programs allowed or be banned legal contract to protect them.
TERA PC - General Discussion#152 metagame09/29/2018, 12:42 PM
Y3T69FLLNT wrote: »
https://imgur.com/a/bBD9RjK
Against facts there are no arguments it's Velika server btw
lfg at this hour was never booming with activity on any server regardless
TERA PC - General Discussion#153 ItzMirai09/29/2018, 12:49 PM
I'm not even mad anymore I'm just sad this was the approach they chose... And it's honestly sad to see how they made this thread for clear bait on a FRIDAY so they won't even have to read it, even though most posts here have great constructive criticism, even if they're things we've been asking for years now.
But anyway, thanks for basically forcing me to stop playing after all these years and money I've spent with you EME.. Enjoy your game with the actual hackers that will keep playing because they can do whatever they want with their own proxy..
TERA PC - General Discussion#154 iMirageX09/29/2018, 01:08 PM
metagame wrote: »
Y3T69FLLNT wrote: »
https://imgur.com/a/bBD9RjK
Against facts there are no arguments it's Velika server btw
lfg at this hour was never booming with activity on any server regardless

Try playing during peak hours. Lets see how long you can find a party. Whatever you say, people are leaving and thats a fact. So whats your point in making your statement?
TERA PC - General Discussion#155 sanj6609/29/2018, 01:13 PM
Meningitis wrote: »
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This is why I pointed out in more than one of my other posts that Eme really needs to get on Bluehole about making the game much more ping friendly so that people won't be tempted to move towards proxies. Proxy is not the solution. Fixing the game itself is the solution.

they have been asked and begged for YEARS, get it through your head they do not care about fixing the game, optimizing the game, who fixed their swim crash issue? who fixed the chat vulnerability? who fixed the abysmal fps issues this game had?
TERA PC - General Discussion#156 sanj6609/29/2018, 01:17 PM
ManamiC wrote: »
@Victorpresti I SEE AND HEAR YOU! I understand what it looks like if you mostly PvE. The difference is that while a PvE player see nothing but benefits with proxy, a PvP player sees a whole lot of bad and a little good.

I will rephrase your comment since it can be said for both sides.

People who are completely unable to see other point of view are by far the worse, they just spew whatever they feel like. For a portion of the community 'just doing stuff' isn't the point, it's pushing your limits, it's trying your best, it's competing for those top PvP rankings or practicing and winning battlegrounds as a team or a group.

Memeslashing plague'd PvP for ages. Its different for dungeons. It ruined PvE scores and none of it was directly influencing your run. People in moongourd could tell who was memeslashing and you CAN IGNORE THEM. BUT IN PVP THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

Has memeslashing existed in the past? yes it has but man, having 10 games a day where a memeslasher is there really kills your mood, you cant avoid them until EME bans them next week. PVE PLAYERS have been noticed for quitting the game by hard memeing and MEMESLASHING players in 3v3, fwc, or cs.

A lot of players dislike Proxy. Not for what it can bring and contribute to players, but what it HAS already caused in the past.

NO ONE MINDS PVERS PVEING. BUT ITS ALSO A PROBLEM WHEN IT STARTS BLEEDING OVER!!

Players who used SP didn't care when players argued that they are being unfair in CS. They say "im ethical" and laugh at others who aren't following them. I can play Fraywind with 150 ms. I can follow tank cc, snipe bams, and cap pyres. I don't want to see a player do 3 instant combos at Teralith killing it at 70% with Bern Script. A player than can spam iframes when they are rooted isn't fun to me.

you do know memeslash etc were not made with proxy which is why when proxy was down with the first xigncode implementation guess what? ppl were memeslashing players in vo and velika on mt, players glitching gates was done without anything proxy related and players desyncing was a thing before proxy.
TERA PC - General Discussion#157 sanj6609/29/2018, 01:22 PM
Melyodis wrote: »
i heard ques for bgs are like 1hr + since this mess happened very nice well i'm glad my pc is down, EME better find a common ground quick before it gets worst.

a guildmate was in queue for 7:30 hrs, another gave up after 2:15.... they were dps so even if there was only 1 game it would be hard if you had extra dps queuing.
TERA PC - General Discussion#158 Nickna09/29/2018, 02:25 PM
Deonommentor said: We took this action in an effort to protect the experience for those who play the game fairly and engage in the community positively.

99% of these "hackers" are people using dps meter and oversea players that would otherwise be unable to play. 250+ ping is UNPLAYABLE. My friends and I don't pvp, we don't do the competitive pve thing, we don't cheat. We just like having a meter and play casually together, but even now that is impossible. We love Tera, we play fair and are positive in the community! What harm are we doing?

So you kill of a HUGE majority of players for a teeny-tiny minority? Did you even think about this or consider what you are doing? How is this helping anyone?
@KitTeaCup
" We will investigate solutions that provide some of the benefits that these 3rd Party Services offered in a form that doesn't violate our terms of service. Please be patient with us while we see what we can come up with. "

there are alot of 3rd party program that actually fix the game issue that the devs can't fix or still not fixed yet.
from what i know
1. TeraProxy : very useful for player that playing outside NA (Philippine, Australia, and etc).
2. swim fix : the issue from what i heard swimming can lead to crash.
3. FPS utility : so 3 fps and i play lancer = slideshow gameplay.
4. DPS meter : for some this can lower the confident playing dps just to see the dmg is lower than tank. but for some this can be really useful to see why he / she has low dmg and reflect to improve the dps class the player play or remake the desirable skill rotation.
5.remove or change the Xigncode3 with other anti-cheat program if u want to make the game cheat free with smooth and stable game-play. (Battleye for example)
6. there are many 3rd party program that can improve the game but i don't know,so read the entire player comment and pick which one can improve the game. talk to the developer of 3rd party program too that help the game playable or maybe recruit them.

so that's all from me.
TERA PC - General Discussion#160 Equitas09/29/2018, 02:41 PM
I'd prefer that EME didn't consort with the developers of these 3rd-party programs, because their unwarranted egos are already big enough, but I would like to see some in-house development of some fixes.
TERA PC - General Discussion#161 Kuronoe09/29/2018, 02:52 PM
Congratulations on the shot in the foot itself (plus one, by the way, after killing the pvp).

Meanwhile, GameForge put founder pack for half the price, I begin to see who really cares about the game, after all, keeping players interested in playing is essential to keep things running.

Apparently EME is more interested in closing the server, has been working on this for years with these measures that only aim to drive away more players.

Honestly, I've been playing since the game was free, and since that time I've seen stupid measures being taken, but that was the worst. Since that time I have never seen the game with less than 200ms, and I have 120/60 megs of internet.

Lack of interest and competence in implementing the proxy system as something of your own (EME), because if some people without great resources can do it, you do not do it because you do not want to.

Congratulations.
get a copy of the program the people used to make it run better and make it work for us. then the eme devs could make sure there isn't any bad stuff in it that could hurt the game or cheat.
TERA PC - General Discussion#163 sanj6609/29/2018, 03:06 PM
Equitas wrote: »
I'd prefer that EME didn't consort with the developers of these 3rd-party programs, because their unwarranted egos are already big enough, but I would like to see some in-house development of some fixes.

again they have had years and guess what they came up with? as ned flanders would say, diddly squat, cuz thats how much brain power they seem to have.
TERA PC - General Discussion#164 38ghosts09/29/2018, 03:14 PM
I already cancelled my elite subscription & I will not return to NA Tera or will I ever support any game published by EME If they do not give us what we want soon.

I only used proxy, TCC & shinra to simulate reduced ping, improve fps, mod the UI & I will not come back until EME is actively providing the same or better experience that I had to go out & search for & that the modders EME just waged war upon cared enough to actually listen to the needs of NA players.

The endgame content is unplayable with vanilla tera even with good or decent ping. I do love Tera but I can walk away easily if i can't at all be successful within Tera.

I have the tier 10 rewards & I still buy emp often. I am a paying customer & the service I am paying for sucks. I want a solution that provides the same or better performance as proxy, an in-game dps meter & a UI that does not bottleneck the game. When NA Tera has all the above & or EME works something out with the modders, that is when NA tera will receive my money again & the clock is ticking,

I started playing BnS again & I am liking it (I also purchased 100$ of ncoin, money I intended to put toward emp until proxy crashed while I was in AAH do to the take down). I don't need proxy, shinra or TCC to enjoy Blade & Soul & BnS does not extort me as much with loot boxes. If i see a costume or mat in the BnS store, I just buy it ... that is another thing EME needs to work on, the gambling is a bit excessive & while I am at it, elite is a bit [filtered] too, you don't even allow for daily elite boxes to stack if you miss logins. We are paying for those elite benefits, if I miss 4 logins on the 5th day when I finally do, I should be entitled to 5 sets of elite boxes, not just 1, I PAID for them.

The bottom line is, it's a 2 way street. If you want our money, EME needs to give, not just take. Optimize your game EME, provide a service worth the elite premium, add meaningful content & events. If you want our money, try putting in the the time work & money required to earn our time & money. You claim you love Tera & you want the best for the NA community, well ... then prove it.

I will sign into to NA tera to retain my login bonuses (for the time being) & maybe join the [filtered] talking in global :) but I will not play & EME won't see another dime from me until we get what we want. If EME takes too long to deliver, I am done with NA Tera, I will start an EU account if I have to play Tera. I here their subscription plan provides superior benefits too.

BTW ... my pc can max out games like GTA 5, witcher 3, rise of the tomb raider, etc & even with higher ping, blade & soul, BDO & FF14AR never felt as bad to play as tera can & I get higher fps in all the above so there is something obviously, inherently wrong/ inferior with Tera. Proxy, shinra & UI mods filled a void EME wilfully neglected.
TERA PC - General Discussion#165 Bluehydra09/29/2018, 03:18 PM
Im actually baffled to see so many comments celebrating that the Br/Latin players will be gone. Is your hate for anyone different from you so big that you cant coexist with people that speak a different language?

Im sorry if you have met any toxic player/s that incited this hate, but you should know by know that the big majority of the Latin players here are not trolls who just spam "hue". Most are just normal people who want to be able to play and enjoy the game. Whats more, there is a BIG part of the Latin community that speaks English, and you wouldn't be even able to tell us apart from other players.

My point, is that generalizing and spreading hate towards players from other places is stupid and unfounded. Please realize that your hate towards others has no place in this discussion.
I will not be tagging or directing this comment at anyone in specific, but seriously, the people who do this need to read their own comments and realize what they just said.

I know the people posting hurtful comments toward others are most likely trolls fishing for drama, but i felt like this was something that had to be said. I know i cant expect everyone to behave like adults but this behavior is frankly saddening.
Please people, instead of spreading hate for no reason, use this post to give useful feedback on the issue at hand.

Thank you.
TERA PC - General Discussion#166 herni09/29/2018, 03:24 PM
I will keep it short

I played warrior all this years and took a long break after getting tired of all the problems listed here

When a friend told me that warriors are now very good and that i can play it correctly almost without feeling my 200msi couldnt resist to comeback

And really felt in love with apex warrior and how smooth i was able to play the class now, it was a new and satisfactory experience

But i tried to play yesterday and it was impossible for me to comeback to the normal 200ms so i just gotta leave it for now again, like many of us will

You have to understand that at least in my case and all of my friends, we are not cheating the game or whatever u are saying.. this was like magic for us and almost unbeliable, cause it make us feel the game as it was suppose to be played

Hope u do something about it cause i really love tera and his comunnity, but i wont play it with that much delay again

(also.. dps meter was a tool to make the game even funnier and collect information about how much are we improving)
TERA PC - General Discussion#167 Robot2209/29/2018, 03:29 PM
Bluehydra wrote: »
Im actually baffled to see so many comments celebrating that the Br/Latin players will be gone. Is your hate for anyone different from you so big that you cant coexist with people that speak a different language?

Im sorry if you have met any toxic player/s that incited this hate, but you should know by know that the big majority of the Latin players here are not trolls who just spam "hue". Most are just normal people who want to be able to play and enjoy the game. Whats more, there is a BIG part of the Latin community that speaks English, and you wouldn't be even able to tell us apart from other players.

My point, is that generalizing and spreading hate towards players from other places is stupid and unfounded. Please realize that your hate towards others has no place in this discussion.
I will not be tagging or directing this comment at anyone in specific, but seriously, the people who do this need to read their own comments and realize what they just said.

I know the people posting hurtful comments toward others are most likely trolls fishing for drama, but i felt like this was something that had to be said. I know i cant expect everyone to behave like adults but this behavior is frankly saddening.
Please people, instead of spreading hate for no reason, use this post to give useful feedback on the issue at hand.

Thank you.

Guild as Provoke in NA ruined the game they used to call themselves Pride in fey forest then reported them for using memeslash in HH and changed the names "Chained, Hastened, Pang.kronoss, bloodbath" etc.
these people are also to blame for ruining the game too much greed and they are from Peru and Paraguay then the Brazilians are not racist but if they do not have exploited memeslash everything would be fine.
TERA PC - General Discussion#168 Dvsv09/29/2018, 03:34 PM
For non-EU ppl that wanna start on EU, that's what a lot of their players think about proxy:
https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73901-Na-Refugees/?postID=910026#post910026
https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73560-CAN-YOU-FINALLY-DO-SOMETHING-ABOUT-PROXY-AND-CHEATERS/

So what, you gonna start everything from scratch to play on a region with an even worse (now barely playable) ping where there's no guarantee at all that third party apps will continue to work long term, esp cuz there's a big chunk of "ethical" pvp players there that are so against it?

Imho, if you're a player from a demographic without a local Tera server like South/Latin America, Australia/NZ and some countries from SEA, the best and correct thing to do is to not bother with Tera anymore, whatever the region.
If you're a player from NA with bad but still playable 80-100 ms ping, well that's bad but at least you can still reroll to a more ping friendlier class..
And for ppl from EU still here tbh idk what you're doing on NA at this point, just go to EU and play how the game was meant to be played.
TERA PC - General Discussion#169 Shinymoon09/29/2018, 03:34 PM
It's really hard to give a feedback expecting you won't even read it, but I'll give it a try. My comment might sound a bit repetitive as most people are complaining about the same things: low ping dependancy, poor optimization, random lag spikes... Although, I'll try to be original when writing about these topics.
I don't know exactly how your business model work nor your relationship with the development team, but we have to agree Tera is really, really, really bad when it comes about optimization. There are lots of comments about it on this post. There are games out there with graphics a way better than Tera and they still run smoothier than Tera. I'm not used to game development, but there are clear things that could improve the game performance. Tera is still a x32 bits software. Why is that? Is it that hard to make it x64 bits? Is it something you could request to developers? I believe that would be a huge boost to Tera performance as Tera is very CPU intensive. Which leads me to another question: why is it so CPU intensive? Are there anything that can be done to make better use of GPUs? The games I mentioned having better graphics than Tera use GPU a lot, that's what makes them run smoothier than Tera. And, honestly, graphics are not even closely important than performance. I just don't want this comment to be interpreted as a request to improve Tera's graphics, but to improve it's performance instead. If we get better performance like GPU optimization we'd be able to run the game in its max graphics settings.
Another thing is: what would it take to make Tera less low ping dependant? I believe that is the main reason the smashing majority of players were using those so called third-party softwares. Why not hire the developers of these tools to make these features everyone available in the game? I know these comments of mine are for the development side of the game, but can't you, the publisher, make these requests to the developers?
Okay, enough of development side. It's more than explicit people are not happy with the game performance and the changes made in-game. Even though most of performance issues have to be solved via development, EnMasse could surely have better servers, so these lag spikes would get better. You guys should definitely investigate it. I know there are a lot of comments out there regarding the changes done ingame people didn't like at all, so I won't be commenting anything about that as it would just be redundant. Please, don't kill a game that's been already dying due to your actions. If there is a way to save this game is you, Enmasse, listen to the community. Even with all those issues everyone is talking about, they still played the game for a long time. Isn't it worth saving this game?
I hope you actually listen to your community this time. It might be your last chance.
TERA PC - General Discussion#170 Bluehydra09/29/2018, 03:46 PM
Robot22 wrote: »
Bluehydra wrote: »
Im actually baffled to see so many comments celebrating that the Br/Latin players will be gone. Is your hate for anyone different from you so big that you cant coexist with people that speak a different language?

Im sorry if you have met any toxic player/s that incited this hate, but you should know by know that the big majority of the Latin players here are not trolls who just spam "hue". Most are just normal people who want to be able to play and enjoy the game. Whats more, there is a BIG part of the Latin community that speaks English, and you wouldn't be even able to tell us apart from other players.

My point, is that generalizing and spreading hate towards players from other places is stupid and unfounded. Please realize that your hate towards others has no place in this discussion.
I will not be tagging or directing this comment at anyone in specific, but seriously, the people who do this need to read their own comments and realize what they just said.

I know the people posting hurtful comments toward others are most likely trolls fishing for drama, but i felt like this was something that had to be said. I know i cant expect everyone to behave like adults but this behavior is frankly saddening.
Please people, instead of spreading hate for no reason, use this post to give useful feedback on the issue at hand.

Thank you.

Guild as Provoke in NA ruined the game they used to call themselves Pride in fey forest then reported them for using memeslash in HH and changed the names "Chained, Hastened, Pang.kronoss, bloodbath" etc.
these people are also to blame for ruining the game too much greed and they are from Peru and Paraguay then the Brazilians are not racist but if they do not have exploited memeslash everything would be fine.

Im sorry, but memeslash was not was not a Brs/latin player thing. There is absolutely no reason to blame the entire br/ latin community for this. Much less be happy about the ones who will be leaving because of ping issues. People who actually know how to exploit the game dont need the proxy to do it, and will continue to do so. Hating on latin people and celebrating that they will be gone changes nothing.
Bring back Tera 2016 , even without any more overpowered events.
But with good gameplay, thats all.
They only thing i'm gonna say, after months of providing feedback and recently been banned from your discord is... The solution must come fast, really fast. Gameforge it's already aware of this situation, if they make a leveling event, with some neat reward (they are probably thinking about it right now, not like you that are probably waiting till monday for this to cease) you are going to fall far behind, maybe to they point where TERA NA is no more
TERA PC - General Discussion#173 Robot2209/29/2018, 03:52 PM
Bluehydra wrote: »
Robot22 wrote: »
Bluehydra wrote: »
Im actually baffled to see so many comments celebrating that the Br/Latin players will be gone. Is your hate for anyone different from you so big that you cant coexist with people that speak a different language?

Im sorry if you have met any toxic player/s that incited this hate, but you should know by know that the big majority of the Latin players here are not trolls who just spam "hue". Most are just normal people who want to be able to play and enjoy the game. Whats more, there is a BIG part of the Latin community that speaks English, and you wouldn't be even able to tell us apart from other players.

My point, is that generalizing and spreading hate towards players from other places is stupid and unfounded. Please realize that your hate towards others has no place in this discussion.
I will not be tagging or directing this comment at anyone in specific, but seriously, the people who do this need to read their own comments and realize what they just said.

I know the people posting hurtful comments toward others are most likely trolls fishing for drama, but i felt like this was something that had to be said. I know i cant expect everyone to behave like adults but this behavior is frankly saddening.
Please people, instead of spreading hate for no reason, use this post to give useful feedback on the issue at hand.

Thank you.

Guild as Provoke in NA ruined the game they used to call themselves Pride in fey forest then reported them for using memeslash in HH and changed the names "Chained, Hastened, Pang.kronoss, bloodbath" etc.
these people are also to blame for ruining the game too much greed and they are from Peru and Paraguay then the Brazilians are not racist but if they do not have exploited memeslash everything would be fine.

Im sorry, but memeslash was not was not a Brs/latin player thing. There is absolutely no reason to blame the entire br/ latin community for this. Much less be happy about the ones who will be leaving because of ping issues. People who actually know how to exploit the game dont need the proxy to do it, and will continue to do so. Hating on latin people and celebrating that they will be gone changes nothing.

I'm sorry but it is one of the best known cases.
TERA PC - General Discussion#174 Elinerd09/29/2018, 04:00 PM
Apparently PVP is going to die because a lot of people were using injector just to play. So thanks, EME!
TERA PC - General Discussion#175 6R1MM01R309/29/2018, 04:04 PM
Equitas wrote: »
I'd prefer that EME didn't consort with the developers of these 3rd-party programs, because their unwarranted egos are already big enough, but I would like to see some in-house development of some fixes.

Nothing is bigger than EME's ego, I'd assure you. The developers of the 3rd party programs that benefit a large portion of the playerbase did it for free and on their OWN INITIATIVE, to fix and improve things that players ASKED TO THE DEVELOPER AND PUBLISHERS but that never got any solution from them. There won't be "in-house" fixes because they never did and never will, don't be foolish.
TERA PC - General Discussion#176 Bluehydra09/29/2018, 04:07 PM
Robot22 wrote: »
Bluehydra wrote: »
Robot22 wrote: »
Bluehydra wrote: »
Im actually baffled to see so many comments celebrating that the Br/Latin players will be gone. Is your hate for anyone different from you so big that you cant coexist with people that speak a different language?

Im sorry if you have met any toxic player/s that incited this hate, but you should know by know that the big majority of the Latin players here are not trolls who just spam "hue". Most are just normal people who want to be able to play and enjoy the game. Whats more, there is a BIG part of the Latin community that speaks English, and you wouldn't be even able to tell us apart from other players.

My point, is that generalizing and spreading hate towards players from other places is stupid and unfounded. Please realize that your hate towards others has no place in this discussion.
I will not be tagging or directing this comment at anyone in specific, but seriously, the people who do this need to read their own comments and realize what they just said.

I know the people posting hurtful comments toward others are most likely trolls fishing for drama, but i felt like this was something that had to be said. I know i cant expect everyone to behave like adults but this behavior is frankly saddening.
Please people, instead of spreading hate for no reason, use this post to give useful feedback on the issue at hand.

Thank you.

Guild as Provoke in NA ruined the game they used to call themselves Pride in fey forest then reported them for using memeslash in HH and changed the names "Chained, Hastened, Pang.kronoss, bloodbath" etc.
these people are also to blame for ruining the game too much greed and they are from Peru and Paraguay then the Brazilians are not racist but if they do not have exploited memeslash everything would be fine.

Im sorry, but memeslash was not was not a Brs/latin player thing. There is absolutely no reason to blame the entire br/ latin community for this. Much less be happy about the ones who will be leaving because of ping issues. People who actually know how to exploit the game dont need the proxy to do it, and will continue to do so. Hating on latin people and celebrating that they will be gone changes nothing.

I'm sorry but it is one of the best known cases.

I get that, but as i said cases are specific, and do not represent the entire community. Hating on everyone because of specific cases is not ok. And latin players leaving will not reduce the amount of exploiters in the game.
For some players the proxy is really necessary and, honestly, the game should offer the basics, like the proxy, so we could play well enough, even with a medium/high Ping. I’d think before taking any precipitated action, the game has been losing players and taking proxy’s help will only make more players go. I agree with @Xochiquetzals @Aryd , you should work with the proxy creators and officialize it as a game resource. Talking about the dps meter, I think it’s another great tool and should’ve been available since the beginning, but it’s not a priority like the proxy, that helps improve players performance, allowing the ones with high/medium ping play the game like any other, with more swift and fluid skills, like it was next to Chicago server, even if you’re not in Chicago
TERA PC - General Discussion#178 Jazzmine09/29/2018, 04:40 PM
yesterday afternoon I did a couple corsairs stronghold games, then the queue just died. Hours in the cs queue, and it never popped
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No more brs and no more cheaters in my game? Sounds like a win-win situation for me ;)

"Disciplinary action will be taken if any player uses foul language, attacks EME employees or other players."

No...?
Oh, okay...
These might be one of those who play the game fairly and engage in the community positively.

Sorry I'm Latin/Brazilian which means i'm necessarily troll and toxic and deserves being kicked off from this game. We can see the prejudice and xenophobia in the community when the own company allows this to happen and does not give us the proper support (just to buy EMP........).
TERA PC - General Discussion#180 Luniack09/29/2018, 04:47 PM
@KitTeaCup Proxy just helps people with high ping, does't hack, there a great diference between high and low ping:

I feel so sad for my friends who live in Australia with good 300 ms or more, feel sad for people who gets xingcode insted a game improvement by proxy " fps utils ", dps meter? thats a old request of tera playerbase...
Sorry for my bad english, i'm from Brazil, playing this game with 160 ms, but i buy every mouth a elite status from broker, yea its help enmasse even i don't be a p2w, because i support p2w players who buy it and put on broker, like some south america people with high ping and low PC config.
TERA PC - General Discussion#181 Luniack09/29/2018, 04:49 PM
You would only know how we feel if you were in our place. I can play with 160 ms, can play with xingcode " yea i tested it and did nothing to me, i also got this playing Black Desert Online " but... 1 hour and 20 minutes in cs queue in cs day?, some of my friends giving up and going to other servers like EU or just go to others games? i can't play a game with no people.
"edit"

Nevermind.

My friends are already gone to Mystel ......
Thanks @Denommenator @KitTeaCup and anothers guys with brain problem. Was a great game b4 you arrive to this game. Thanks and see ya. Going to EU
TERA PC - General Discussion#184 Dvsv09/29/2018, 05:13 PM
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
So i was soloing guardians on my brawler since i can use slaying without interference and everything was fine until this Valkyrie comes then kills the bam that had more than 60% with a single shot ( it looked like a getsuga tenshou that was over 9000! ). And this kind of experience left me dumbfounded especially since the Valkyrie had twistshard gear and he was practically switching channels and killing bams ever so fast. Besides, there were also players with certain classes and gear that were not supposed to have double the contribution of others at the end of the whole boss fight with their +0SC and especially against certain players with certain classes that i always saw doing so well.. But if you think that it is fine for a +0SC reaper to have the double of contribution points against warriors/berserkers with +9SC then i am speechless... And especially since this means that certain players can skip the gearing part to do equal or more dps than other legit players..

Also, what about the pit of petrax scores? how come a priest can kill a bam with more than 50mil(?) HP in only 7seconds when it takes around 3-4 seconds only to run from the start up to the boss and engage it?

And these are only the things that i saw so far.. so imagine those things that are being happening but are not being seen.


p.s. if this proxy thing is that i think that it is and will fix all the abuse that this game had so far then i am more than excited to actually try and get involved with the game against other legit players on leaderboards

Is memeslash even still a thing?
I thought they patched that crap back in 2017, but you guys still cry about it to this day wtf...

And you know how this developer balance classes just to force ppl to reroll, to the point where a FM+0 can match or beat a SC+9 ninja dps just cuz game design???
TERA PC - General Discussion#185 suzanowa09/29/2018, 05:18 PM
hi all
Remove everything except proxy, I do not like to play with 200 ping.
bye
TERA PC - General Discussion#186 Luniack09/29/2018, 05:20 PM
Enmasse can manage a personal and legal Third-Party program to support Tera, avoiding possible hackers " i used proxy since creation and alway care if i gets underground ( i desactivated proxy on any iframe ) and dint dsync alot to people against me in game, but i never did or know how priests " im main priest also " gets pit in 7 seconds, creating a legal Third-Party software for dps meter and put high scores on site, allow UI edits from the same software to improve fps and custon Lore and role play.
If enmasse do it we does't need any proxy anymore... " okay what a kind of dream LOL, it's easier for me to win the lottery, to buy the BHS copyrights, than to take this step so requested by its players. "
TERA PC - General Discussion#187 Rajion09/29/2018, 05:20 PM
Great job EME, took a while but better then never #thumbsup
TERA PC - General Discussion#188 Robot2209/29/2018, 05:45 PM
Rajion wrote: »
Great job EME, took a while but better then never #thumbsup

no
just make a software of your own that removes ping difference and we will be gucci.
TERA PC - General Discussion#190 Splinbz09/29/2018, 06:10 PM
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Just a saying for those who think TERA will be better without Latin and Brazilians playing it.

You will not find a party even to Kalivan's Challenge.

TERA PC - General Discussion#191 hellno09/29/2018, 06:31 PM
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
So i was soloing guardians on my brawler since i can use slaying without interference and everything was fine until this Valkyrie comes then kills the bam that had more than 60% with a single shot ( it looked like a getsuga tenshou that was over 9000! ). And this kind of experience left me dumbfounded especially since the Valkyrie had twistshard gear and he was practically switching channels and killing bams ever so fast. Besides, there were also players with certain classes and gear that were not supposed to have double the contribution of others at the end of the whole boss fight with their +0SC and especially against certain players with certain classes that i always saw doing so well.. But if you think that it is fine for a +0SC reaper to have the double of contribution points against warriors/berserkers with +9SC then i am speechless... And especially since this means that certain players can skip the gearing part to do equal or more dps than other legit players anywhere and especially inside dungeons where they are well protected from unwanted attention..

Also, what about the pit of petrax scores? how come a priest can kill a bam with more than 50mil(?) HP in only 7seconds when it takes around 3-4 seconds only to run from the start up to the boss and engage it?

And these are only the things that i saw so far.. so imagine those things that are happening but are not being seen.


p.s. if this proxy thing is that i think that it is and will fix all the abuse that this game had so far then i am more than excited to actually try and get involved with the game against other legit players on leaderboards

Memaslash was patched ages ago, get over it.

Pit Timer starts when you hit the boss not when you walk in mate, and I can do it in 15s on my priest and im in +0 SC with no dyads. Im sure a more geared priest can do it in 7s no problem no hacks involved. If you think this is to fast, you are just simply not great at the game.

TERA PC - General Discussion#192 sid79s09/29/2018, 06:33 PM
that the minority of the players were cheats, please since 2017 the statistics changed a lot, currently the majority used the proxy to cheats, 80% of the proxy players abused the programs and those that were really helped were minority,

I repeat again my previous comment you want to blame someone, blame you cheat friend blame yourself for not reporting to cheats, by God in FWC most of the top players in the rank were cheaters who did not use the proxy to reduce the ping if not to cheat, they made impossible combos because they broke the game rules of the class they had with practically infinite combos if they wanted, petrax in 3 seconds please that's just cheating and I do not use proxy to level your ping if not to break the rules, as I said the community abuse of the proxy to break rules not to help about the ping, the statistics change and they became majority and when that happens the radical measures are applied, blame your friend who took advantage of the game for use cheats and you leave free
> @Splinbz said:
> Just a saying for those who think TERA will be better without Latin and Brazilians playing it.
>
> You will not find a party even to Kalivan's Challenge.

Also add that those players farm and sell their golden talent or silver talents.

Things that epic hardcore cry for and need to progress.

If werent enough with more players.
Imagine with even lesser players.
TERA PC - General Discussion#194 Zoknahal09/29/2018, 06:45 PM
I wish i could just transfer my main and all of his costumes to EU.

TY!
TERA PC - General Discussion#195 archELITE09/29/2018, 06:53 PM
Kk guys i thought a lot and since this game gonna be unplayable for me, i considered thats the best way for me:

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See ya in EU servers.
TERA PC - General Discussion#196 FODOKCH09/29/2018, 06:59 PM
sid79s wrote: »
that the minority of the players were cheats, please since 2017 the statistics changed a lot, currently the majority used the proxy to tramapically 80% of the proxy players abused the pergrams and those that were really helped were minority,

I repeat again my previous comment you want to blame someone, blame you cheat friend blame yourself for not reporting to cheats, by God in FWC most of the top players in the rank were cheaters who did not use the proxy to aid in the ping if not to cheat, they made impossible combos because they broke the game rules of the class they had with practically infinite combos if they wanted, petrax in 3 seconds please that's just cheating and I do not use proxy to level your ping if not to break the rules, as I said the community abuse of the proxy to break rules not to help the statistics change and they became majority and when that happens the radical measures are applied, blame your friend who took advantage of the game

@sid79s u r wrong bro, u cant do the right rotation with warrior with 200ms+, of course the TOP pvp players uses proxy, even who lives in chicago has high ping, to fix it the people are using proxy because it is the solution, lag spikes like a hell in tera, so i wont blame my cheat friend because that enmasse already has banned them. I challenge you to play tera with 200ms+
TERA PC - General Discussion#197 Dvsv09/29/2018, 07:03 PM
archELITE wrote: »
Kk guys i thought a lot and since this game gonna be unplayable for me, i considered thats the best way for me:

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See ya in EU servers.

If you're BR/Latin american you gonna get a hard time on EU cuz 230 ms+ and they hate proxy users even more (they'll call you a cheater or even report you), tbh there's no guarantee that GF will not ban proxy in the long term too.
Just quit Tera for good or pray and wait for a long overdue south american Tera server.

Just look here what EU thinks of Proxy users:
https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73560-CAN-YOU-FINALLY-DO-SOMETHING-ABOUT-PROXY-AND-CHEATERS/

Do you know what it takes me to even consider returning to Tera? A fkn local server on SA with 10-20 ms max ping.
TERA PC - General Discussion#198 archELITE09/29/2018, 07:09 PM
Dvsv wrote: »
archELITE wrote: »
Kk guys i thought a lot and since this game gonna be unplayable for me, i considered thats the best way for me:

VNPRe7V.png

See ya in EU servers.

If you're BR/Latin american you gonna get a hard time on EU cuz 240 ms+ and they hate proxy users even more, tbh there's no guarantee that GF will not ban proxy in the long term.
Just quit Tera for good or just pray and wait for a South American Tera server.

https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73560-CAN-YOU-FINALLY-DO-SOMETHING-ABOUT-PROXY-AND-CHEATERS/
BR reclamando do NA pra jogar no EU é hilário kkkk

Its already instaled and its ok for me. Playing with 212ms. Not such diference since i play with 170-190 ms.
TERA PC - General Discussion#199 Nenixa09/29/2018, 07:30 PM
Thank you alot for destorying me fav game!!!
With this step u will push away the very last players and can finally shutdown.
That is what u wanted long ago right?
TERA PC - General Discussion#200 sanj6609/29/2018, 07:30 PM
Dvsv wrote: »
For non-EU ppl that wanna start on EU, that's what a lot of their players think about proxy:
https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73901-Na-Refugees/?postID=910026#post910026
https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73560-CAN-YOU-FINALLY-DO-SOMETHING-ABOUT-PROXY-AND-CHEATERS/

So what, you gonna start everything from scratch to play on a region with an even worse (now barely playable) ping where there's no guarantee at all that third party apps will continue to work long term, esp cuz there's a big chunk of "ethical" pvp players there that are so against it?

Imho, if you're a player from a demographic without a local Tera server like South/Latin America, Australia/NZ and some countries from SEA, the best and correct thing to do is to not bother with Tera anymore, whatever the region.
If you're a player from NA with bad but still playable 80-100 ms ping, well that's bad but at least you can still reroll to a more ping friendlier class..
And for ppl from EU still here tbh idk what you're doing on NA at this point, just go to EU and play how the game was meant to be played.

the first thread was garbage and flase accusations because they didnt like the guy btw and the second thread lets see, all the accounts denouncing na players that are migrating are guess what? all are flagged as new accounts, wow.
TERA PC - General Discussion#201 sanj6609/29/2018, 07:39 PM
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
So i was soloing guardians on my brawler since i can use slaying without interference and everything was fine until this Valkyrie comes then kills the bam that had more than 60% with a single shot ( it looked like a getsuga tenshou that was over 9000! ). And this kind of experience left me dumbfounded especially since the Valkyrie had twistshard gear and he was practically switching channels and killing bams ever so fast. Besides, there were also players with certain classes and gear that were not supposed to have double the contribution of others at the end of the whole boss fight with their +0SC and especially against certain players with certain classes that i always saw doing so well.. But if you think that it is fine for a +0SC reaper to have the double of contribution points against warriors/berserkers with +9SC then i am speechless... And especially since this means that certain players can skip the gearing part to do equal or more dps than other legit players anywhere and especially inside dungeons where they are well protected from unwanted attention..

Also, what about the pit of petrax scores? how come a priest can kill a bam with more than 50mil(?) HP in only 7seconds when it takes around 3-4 seconds only to run from the start up to the boss and engage it?

And these are only the things that i saw so far.. so imagine those things that are happening but are not being seen.


p.s. if this proxy thing is that i think that it is and will fix all the abuse that this game had so far then i am more than excited to actually try and get involved with the game against other legit players on leaderboards

memeslash was not made through proxy, which is why like i said and if you were active in game you would have seen when proxy was down on the initial implementation of xigncode, guess what was still working memeslash and every other hack or cheat they labelled onto proxy, and people legit can kill pit in low times, people even recorded how they did it. jsut because you cant understand how to do something in game =/= someone else cheating. you sound more like your butthurt over getting your [filtered] handed to you by other people on the leaderboard so you're now glad you can try to seem relevant, i wil llaugh if and when you still get cucked lmao
TERA PC - General Discussion#202 REDDOT09/29/2018, 07:46 PM
Also, what a way to ruin a double drop weekend EME. Ever since this fiasco I could barely find people to run with for AAHM in LFG. Neither my PvE static is not gonna bother this weekend, that doesn't spell good for the rest of the couple of weeks either. Neither our guild is willing to run as well.
TERA PC - General Discussion#203 Dvsv09/29/2018, 07:46 PM
sanj66 wrote: »
Dvsv wrote: »
For non-EU ppl that wanna start on EU, that's what a lot of their players think about proxy:
https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73901-Na-Refugees/?postID=910026#post910026
https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73560-CAN-YOU-FINALLY-DO-SOMETHING-ABOUT-PROXY-AND-CHEATERS/

So what, you gonna start everything from scratch to play on a region with an even worse (now barely playable) ping where there's no guarantee at all that third party apps will continue to work long term, esp cuz there's a big chunk of "ethical" pvp players there that are so against it?

Imho, if you're a player from a demographic without a local Tera server like South/Latin America, Australia/NZ and some countries from SEA, the best and correct thing to do is to not bother with Tera anymore, whatever the region.
If you're a player from NA with bad but still playable 80-100 ms ping, well that's bad but at least you can still reroll to a more ping friendlier class..
And for ppl from EU still here tbh idk what you're doing on NA at this point, just go to EU and play how the game was meant to be played.

the first thread was garbage and flase accusations because they didnt like the guy btw and the second thread lets see, all the accounts denouncing na players that are migrating are guess what? all are flagged as new accounts, wow.

Can you show us a official statement from GameForge that they'll tolerate proxy and most third party mods in the long term?
Or by the time we get to SC+9/HO, GF will suddenly "listen to their european 20 ms playerbase" and just ban proxy and we gonna lose everything again?
As i said, EU only make sense for EU players that for some reasons are still here on NA, for SA/latins, australian and SEA players it'll be the SAME exact mistake all over again.
TERA PC - General Discussion#204 Waxona09/29/2018, 08:07 PM
Robot22 wrote: »
Bluehydra wrote: »
Im actually baffled to see so many comments celebrating that the Br/Latin players will be gone. Is your hate for anyone different from you so big that you cant coexist with people that speak a different language?

Im sorry if you have met any toxic player/s that incited this hate, but you should know by know that the big majority of the Latin players here are not trolls who just spam "hue". Most are just normal people who want to be able to play and enjoy the game. Whats more, there is a BIG part of the Latin community that speaks English, and you wouldn't be even able to tell us apart from other players.

My point, is that generalizing and spreading hate towards players from other places is stupid and unfounded. Please realize that your hate towards others has no place in this discussion.
I will not be tagging or directing this comment at anyone in specific, but seriously, the people who do this need to read their own comments and realize what they just said.

I know the people posting hurtful comments toward others are most likely trolls fishing for drama, but i felt like this was something that had to be said. I know i cant expect everyone to behave like adults but this behavior is frankly saddening.
Please people, instead of spreading hate for no reason, use this post to give useful feedback on the issue at hand.

Thank you.

Guild as Provoke in NA ruined the game they used to call themselves Pride in fey forest then reported them for using memeslash in HH and changed the names "Chained, Hastened, Pang.kronoss, bloodbath" etc.
these people are also to blame for ruining the game too much greed and they are from Peru and Paraguay then the Brazilians are not racist but if they do not have exploited memeslash everything would be fine.

It wasn't even the Brazilians who developed memeslash, mate. It's mostly Americans who use it. Should EME ban NA (even those who have never touched the thing) from playing Tera NA as well? Or at least make it unplayable, as they are making it for us?
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No more brs and no more cheaters in my game? Sounds like a win-win situation for me ;)
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Dvsv wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
Dvsv wrote: »
For non-EU ppl that wanna start on EU, that's what a lot of their players think about proxy:
https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73901-Na-Refugees/?postID=910026#post910026
https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73560-CAN-YOU-FINALLY-DO-SOMETHING-ABOUT-PROXY-AND-CHEATERS/

So what, you gonna start everything from scratch to play on a region with an even worse (now barely playable) ping where there's no guarantee at all that third party apps will continue to work long term, esp cuz there's a big chunk of "ethical" pvp players there that are so against it?

Imho, if you're a player from a demographic without a local Tera server like South/Latin America, Australia/NZ and some countries from SEA, the best and correct thing to do is to not bother with Tera anymore, whatever the region.
If you're a player from NA with bad but still playable 80-100 ms ping, well that's bad but at least you can still reroll to a more ping friendlier class..
And for ppl from EU still here tbh idk what you're doing on NA at this point, just go to EU and play how the game was meant to be played.

the first thread was garbage and flase accusations because they didnt like the guy btw and the second thread lets see, all the accounts denouncing na players that are migrating are guess what? all are flagged as new accounts, wow.

Can you show me a official statement from GameForge that they'll tolerate proxy and most third party mods in the long term?
Or by the time we get to SC+9/HO, GF will suddenly "listen to their european 20 ms playerbase" and just ban proxy and we gonna lose everything again?
As i said, EU only make sense for EU players that for some reasons are still here on NA, for SA/Latin Americans, Australian and SEA players it'll be the SAME exact mistake all over again.

to ppl that think the same as you about Eme decided to "block" proxy with this DCMA ,you ppl dont know nothing that happend.. Eme DCMA the developers of this programs But it didnt do anything to them anything at all ,what it did do? it angered them that eme try non stop to delete there stuff(even when it will never happen) and they decided to No Support tera na anymore(proxy,shinrameter,tcc,etc) to kill Na for good,they know when they will not support Tera na they will revenge on what eme trying to do to them.. so Eme or gameforge cannot really do anything about proxy,it was all the programs developers decision to not support tera na to kill it.. they know 70-90% of the community will leave.
Most of the players are leaving for the tera EU which is why the game is not optimized, our fps high and without the proxy is unbearable to play. :/
TERA PC - General Discussion#208 Cupcakers09/29/2018, 08:15 PM
I just want to be able to play with my friends and my boyfriend from other countries :c If EME can find fixes that would allow everyone to be able to play efficiently would be really awesome because I met a lot of cool people and have a lot of great memories and don't want to not be able to play with them anymore.
TERA PC - General Discussion#209 kubitoid09/29/2018, 08:17 PM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We will investigate solutions that provide some of the benefits that these 3rd Party Services offered in a form that doesn't violate our terms of service. Please be patient with us while we see what we can come up with.
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TERA PC - General Discussion#210 bobby045509/29/2018, 08:19 PM
I really want to keep this post short and simple but we will see.
I am sure there are a lot of people that do not know who I am or care to know who I am, but for those who have known me know me by the name Kree and I play on the Tempest Reach server. I have played this game since closed beta aka back in the day when the players had to actually buy the game and on top of that had to pay $15 a month to play which was the best times I ever had playing Tera.
Now after getting a notice that multiple Harrowhold raids had been cancelled due to something that has happened I had to see it for my self. In my opinion NA-Tera is about to officially hit rock bottom and unless drastic measures are taken I do not see EME climbing out of this one. I have read about 7 pages of comments left on this post and there is so many of them that I completely agree with. First, it is very noticeable that the current staff working on this game have little to no idea about the game and what really needs to be done to create a better game. But this has been an issue for as long as NA-Tera has been around. There is not one employee that I can think of that has actually played the game to the extent that they can actually understand the content or even clear the normal dungeons in their top tier gear which has been spawned. These devs that have taken their own time to help make the game playable for the majority of the NA-Tera community have done this on their own time, they actually play and appreciate this game, and they actually make up part of the Tera community in many regions. Sadly I can not really say that the employees that work for the NA-Tera game are apart of this community, rather they are just a name with an official title.
So unless EME actually accepts the NA-Tera community in this game and ACTUALLY LISTENS I see this game returning back to the days of having a small community which will more than likely bring the end to NA-Tera. I say this for the simple fact that EME has to make money to pay its staff. With a small community NA-Tera will either be forced to make NA-Tera a pay to play game again to hopefully extend the life of this game for as long as possible or the game will no longer be seen as profitable by the company and will no longer be available. With this said the actions that are taken in the next couple weeks will not only determine the fate of NA-Tera, but it will also determine whether or not the staff working on NA-Tera will continue to have a job.
I also want to make it clear to EME that when this games fate is in your hands. Sometimes rules have to be bent or broken to create a better game. Also remember rules and policies are always subject to change, that is why they are never written in stone.
bobby0455 wrote: »
I really want to keep this post short and simple but we will see.
I am sure there are a lot of people that do not know who I am or care to know who I am, but for those who have known me know me by the name Kree and I play on the Tempest Reach server. I have played this game since closed beta aka back in the day when the players had to actually buy the game and on top of that had to pay $15 a month to play which was the best times I ever had playing Tera.
Now after getting a notice that multiple Harrowhold raids had been cancelled due to something that has happened I had to see it for my self. In my opinion NA-Tera is about to officially hit rock bottom and unless drastic measures are taken I do not see EME climbing out of this one. I have read about 7 pages of comments left on this post and there is so many of them that I completely agree with. First, it is very noticeable that the current staff working on this game have little to no idea about the game and what really needs to be done to create a better game. But this has been an issue for as long as NA-Tera has been around. There is not one employee that I can think of that has actually played the game to the extent that they can actually understand the content or even clear the normal dungeons in their top tier gear which has been spawned. These devs that have taken their own time to help make the game playable for the majority of the NA-Tera community have done this on their own time, they actually play and appreciate this game, and they actually make up part of the Tera community in many regions. Sadly I can not really say that the employees that work for the NA-Tera game are apart of this community, rather they are just a name with an official title.
So unless EME actually accepts the NA-Tera community in this game and ACTUALLY LISTENS I see this game returning back to the days of having a small community which will more than likely bring the end to NA-Tera. I say this for the simple fact that EME has to make money to pay its staff. With a small community NA-Tera will either be forced to make NA-Tera a pay to play game again to hopefully extend the life of this game for as long as possible or the game will no longer be seen as profitable by the company and will no longer be available. With this said the actions that are taken in the next couple weeks will not only determine the fate of NA-Tera, but it will also determine whether or not the staff working on NA-Tera will continue to have a job.
I also want to make it clear to EME that when this games fate is in your hands. Sometimes rules have to be bent or broken to create a better game. Also remember rules and policies are always subject to change, that is why they are never written in stone.

you need to read what i post on this page i think first comment on page 18.
and after you will read it you need to understand,that the only way to save Na tera now is they will make there own proxy with skill prediction and i dont think they can do it,even dps meter will close soon for na tera,they cant even make dps meter..
TERA PC - General Discussion#212 bobby045509/29/2018, 08:36 PM
I agree with you dragonmu12. They have proven that they are not capable of creating a proxy, dps meter, or anything else to better the game, and it also makes no sense to recreate something that has already been created by someone else. The real question is will EME admit to all their mistakes and actually attempt to save the game. Sadly from what I have seen in the past it always about EME and making money, so I am sure NA-Tera is officially done.
bobby0455 wrote: »
I agree with you dragonmu12. They have proven that they are not capable of creating a proxy, dps meter, or anything else to better the game, and it also makes no sense to recreate something that has already been created by someone else. The real question is will EME admit to all their mistakes and actually attempt to save the game. Sadly from what I have seen in the past it always about EME and making money, so I am sure NA-Tera is officially done.

idk how eme can save the game when there is no proxy or dps meter.
like i said unless they create their own there is no hope.
if your software need to scan all the damn computer to stop a cheat then your software is trash, IT MAY WORK, but it works in a sh*tty way, and anyways cheaters can hack anything, you just stopped the low level cheaters with such trashy software
I am not sure what the hell is going on but in game it is like i am back before the merge where its all quiet though it was so lively a few days ago and not only that but some of my friends sold their +9 gear that they had here and already moved to Mystel while convincing others to make the "better decision" ... So what will happen in only two weeks??

The hell...

What was the merge for? What is going on?
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We love you TERA players and we understand that you’re upset about this. We will investigate solutions that provide some of the benefits that these 3rd Party Services offered in a form that doesn't violate our terms of service. Please be patient with us while we see what we can come up with.

Hello.

I have a question. Why dont you take proxy, erase it's exploits (ASK HELP FROM IT"S CREATOR),implant it inside your game and have a non-lagging game full of happy people that can go competative in PvE and PVP. This way to will bring people back to your dying game becouse of YOUR mistakes. But then again you will have to lower your EGO to do that. So it's either ego or money for you and a fun game or LoL/BDO/BnS for us. Your call.
TERA PC - General Discussion#217 metagame09/29/2018, 09:13 PM
MM7DJA6WTM wrote: »
(ASK HELP FROM IT"S CREATOR)
none of the developers are interested in such a thing anymore.
TERA PC - General Discussion#218 Equitas09/29/2018, 09:20 PM
Awful lot of alt accounts in here...
AxeI wrote: »
The infamous Hero here.

And people who think way too highly of themselves.
metagame wrote: »
MM7DJA6WTM wrote: »
(ASK HELP FROM IT"S CREATOR)
none of the developers are interested in such a thing anymore.

Why?

MM7DJA6WTM wrote: »
metagame wrote: »
MM7DJA6WTM wrote: »
(ASK HELP FROM IT"S CREATOR)
none of the developers are interested in such a thing anymore.

Why?

Read my first comment on this page sigh.. ppl still dont know what happen..
TERA PC - General Discussion#221 sanj6609/29/2018, 09:25 PM
Equitas wrote: »
Awful lot of alt accounts in here...

again with your baseless and non factor comments.
TERA PC - General Discussion#222 Equitas09/29/2018, 09:25 PM
sanj66 wrote: »
again with your baseless and non factor comments.

"baseless" "non factor"
dragonmu12 wrote: »
MM7DJA6WTM wrote: »
metagame wrote: »
MM7DJA6WTM wrote: »
(ASK HELP FROM IT"S CREATOR)
none of the developers are interested in such a thing anymore.

Why?

Read my first comment on this page sigh.. ppl still dont know what happen..

I see. Thanks dude.
TERA PC - General Discussion#224 Elinu109/29/2018, 09:28 PM
If you guys are leaving can I haz ur stuff.
TERA PC - General Discussion#225 Aldroide09/29/2018, 09:53 PM
Dear EME. you have people playing from different countries all over the world, not everyone has the possibility of playing with 20ms, when the proxy arrived, it gave everyone the possibility of doing endgame to be able to do hard modes. to be honest all my friends will leave TERA because they do not have a stable ping....i love tera but without your friends it is an empty place </3
TERA PC - General Discussion#226 Rxkt09/29/2018, 09:54 PM
eme probably isn't following this thread lmao. and if they were they wouldn't be paying attention anyway. history repeats itself
TERA PC - General Discussion#227 AxeI09/29/2018, 09:57 PM
Equitas wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
again with your baseless and non factor comments.

"baseless" "non factor"

I mean no offense, you attacked me personally before and I even provided evidence of the amount of HH runs I had on CH and told you I'd love to hear from you or something, and you never answered. Its okay to be a chicken but if you wanna argue, you're free to DM me about it. Lets leave the petty talk for another time, because clearly this is not it
TERA PC - General Discussion#228 Dvsv09/29/2018, 09:58 PM
Elinu1 wrote: »
If you guys are leaving can I haz ur stuff.

Nop, tbh it's better to just sell everything to the npc than to give to some random NA player.
Cuz remember, we're all a bunch of "cheaters" (that's how NA players call their oversea players) :)
And you guys LOVE virtual hard work and brainless grinding, so gl and go farm golden talents on this grinding simulator ;)
TERA PC - General Discussion#229 Thuking09/29/2018, 09:58 PM
So I have read every post in this thread from the last 19 pages and I really hope EME are reading them too and not ignoring it as this is your community voicing their feedback that you are asking for.

@CobaltDragon

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/27083/june-bg-jackpot-calendar/p3

You said the feedback was passed along a while ago, but I logged in to check battleground coins today and nothing has been done about them, elemental essences are still cost 30 coins each, I can easily get them from Harrowhold, Rally bam or running hard mode dungeons there is no way 30 coins is worth it maybe if it was a veiltroch it would be justified for 30 coins. If history is going to repeat itself then I doubt anything in this thread will be taken into consideration and would really like to know what happened with this feedback that was passed along apparently.

Since in the past you have constantly done bad updates, people say they will quit but your population numbers are just fine people will probably come back as many of them are in too deep as they have invested way too much time/money to this game to quit, there was a game that also went a similar path called Runescape they wanted to update the combat system for their game as they wanted to keep up with the new flashy MMOs as they thought their point and click combat system was too dull and boring however many players that played the beta for evolution of combat gave feedback that they do not want this update to happen but since Jagex had already invested into it they made the update happen anyway, what happened next was that they lost over half their playerbase as the core mechanics of the game had been changed and nobody asked for this.

Though Runescape did manage to recover only because the players demanded an oldschool server and because Jagex realised what they had done made their population drop was clearly a mistake because they didn't listen to their community this time round they actually listened and now all they do is listen to their community, they even have poll booths for player feedback if an update should happen or not and I believe Runescape is doing good nowadays.

I believe what EME has done is similar to what Jagex has done in the past of ignoring the community feedback but they made a comeback from all of this because they started listening to their playerbase as they are the people that actually play the game. I hope you will see your population fall even though I want to see TERA do great but it seems like it will be the only way for you to learn and maybe in future you will actually listen to your community.

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/26293/the-gold-talent-problem/p1

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/252680#Comment_252680

Here are my feedback threads that you could start with if you really did care.


TERA PC - General Discussion#230 Tabunne09/29/2018, 10:00 PM
Me and my 6 non-american friends now have to leave because of eme's stupid decision.
Thank you.
> @sanj66 said:
> Dvsv wrote: »
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> For non-EU ppl that wanna start on EU, that's what a lot of their players think about proxy:
> https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73901-Na-Refugees/?postID=910026#post910026
> https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73560-CAN-YOU-FINALLY-DO-SOMETHING-ABOUT-PROXY-AND-CHEATERS/
>
> So what, you gonna start everything from scratch to play on a region with an even worse (now barely playable) ping where there's no guarantee at all that third party apps will continue to work long term, esp cuz there's a big chunk of "ethical" pvp players there that are so against it?
>
> Imho, if you're a player from a demographic without a local Tera server like South/Latin America, Australia/NZ and some countries from SEA, the best and correct thing to do is to not bother with Tera anymore, whatever the region.
> If you're a player from NA with bad but still playable 80-100 ms ping, well that's bad but at least you can still reroll to a more ping friendlier class..
> And for ppl from EU still here tbh idk what you're doing on NA at this point, just go to EU and play how the game was meant to be played.
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> the first thread was garbage and flase accusations because they didnt like the guy btw and the second thread lets see, all the accounts denouncing na players that are migrating are guess what? all are flagged as new accounts, wow.

Ppl are petty. Big wow.
> @Equitas said:
> And people who think way too highly of themselves.

Oh the irony.
TERA PC - General Discussion#233 Equitas09/29/2018, 10:27 PM
M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
Oh the irony.

Here's a little bit of acknowledgement. I know that's what you were looking for.
> @Equitas said:
> M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
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> Oh the irony.
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>
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> Here's a little bit of acknowledgement. I know that's what you were looking for.

Why dont you pretend i never called you out on your toxic bs instead? Your attention to me is garbage, but poking at your pretentiousness is fun for me.

Please carry on.
TERA PC - General Discussion#235 Equitas09/29/2018, 10:35 PM
M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
Why dont you pretend i never called you out on your toxic bs instead? Your attention to me is garbage, but poking at your pretentiousness is fun for me.

Please carry on.

Here's a little more.
Here comes the no u

Please continue.
TERA PC - General Discussion#237 Equitas09/29/2018, 10:39 PM
M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
Here comes the no u

Please continue.

I'm not sure how much acknowledgement you're needing, but here's another helping.
Equitas thinks his internet words are worth something

Shhh shhh dont tell him the truth

Let him dream
TERA PC - General Discussion#239 AxeI09/29/2018, 10:40 PM
Please don't derail this with petty back and forth, unlike the other useless threads this one is actually very concerning so DM yourselves if you guys wanna slap each other
TERA PC - General Discussion#240 Equitas09/29/2018, 10:44 PM
M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
Equitas thinks his internet words are worth something

Shhh shhh dont tell him the truth

Let him dream

Lol. Anyway, here's another helping.
watch any good shows lately? i mean besides the comedy that is, you.
Started watching the Office, the American version, startin to grow on me.
TERA PC - General Discussion#242 Equitas09/29/2018, 11:00 PM
M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
watch any good shows lately? i mean besides the comedy that is, you.
Started watching the Office, the American version, startin to grow on me.

sigh

Here's another serving.
TERA PC - General Discussion#243 metagame09/29/2018, 11:00 PM
Rxkt wrote: »
eme probably isn't following this thread lmao. and if they were they wouldn't be paying attention anyway. history repeats itself
don't ever recall eme ever working on the weekends unless something like a server crash happens
TERA PC - General Discussion#244 suzanowa09/29/2018, 11:06 PM
MACACO CHUPALO BIEN CHUPAO
> @Equitas said:
> M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
>
> watch any good shows lately? i mean besides the comedy that is, you.
> Started watching the Office, the American version, startin to grow on me.
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> sigh
>
> Here's another serving.

Evidence that he cant skip rope. Youre boring.
TERA PC - General Discussion#246 Equitas09/29/2018, 11:08 PM
M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
Evidence that he cant skip rope. Youre boring.

Here's another.
KitTeaCup wrote: »
This is the thread from the News & Announcements area. Please be kind, respectful and if you want to add constructive feedback, it's welcome.

Disciplinary action will be taken if any player uses foul language, attacks EME employees or other players.

Statement from Denommentor:

Dear all TERA Players,

We have recently issued some standard takedown requests to platforms around the internet where we found communities actively working in violation of our Terms of Service. En Masse Entertainment has maintained a firm stance against 3rd Party programs or mods that violate our Terms of Service.

We understand your frustration and regret that this may have disrupted gameplay for some players. We took this action in an effort to protect the experience for those who play the game fairly and engage in the community positively.

The current situation does not justify abusive or toxic behavior directed at our employees or other players. Threads that are not constructive or violate our code of conduct will be closed or deleted. Disciplinary action will be taken against those players that display this behavior.

We love you TERA players and we understand that you’re upset about this. We will investigate solutions that provide some of the benefits that these 3rd Party Services offered in a form that doesn't violate our terms of service. Please be patient with us while we see what we can come up with.

con todo respeto, algunos programas son muy necesarios por la alta latencia del juego en centro y sur america. estos programas ayudan al usuario a disfrutar el juego. por eso espero que mediten o hagan algo por los jugadores que requieren una mejor experiencia de juego.
> @Equitas said:
> M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
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> Evidence that he cant skip rope. Youre boring.
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> Here's another.

Another what? Stop seeking attention in every thread. We are trying to contribute here.
TERA PC - General Discussion#249 Equitas09/29/2018, 11:16 PM
M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
Another what? Stop seeking attention in every thread. We are trying to contribute here.

Here's another.
TERA PC - General Discussion#250 Naru200809/29/2018, 11:20 PM
Equitas wrote: »
M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
Another what? Stop seeking attention in every thread. We are trying to contribute here.

Here's another.

Can you literally stop your [filtered]? You're just filling the thread with non-sense posts.

I'm too tired from working 14 hours at work to make any sort of post regarding this, so for now I'll just say;
This will impact the game in a negative way, more than a positive way.

**Please note: I'm not a proxy user, but know people who used it, and the effects it has for users who used it legitimately.**
TERA PC - General Discussion#251 Equitas09/29/2018, 11:25 PM
Naru2008 wrote: »
Can you literally stop your [filtered]? You're just filling the thread with non-sense posts.

I'm too tired from working 14 hours at work to make any sort of post regarding this, so for now I'll just say;
This will impact the game in a negative way, more than a positive way.

**Please note: I'm not a proxy user, but know people who used it, and the effects it has for users who used it legitimately.**

Uh...

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261744/#Comment_261744
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261751/#Comment_261751
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261754/#Comment_261754
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261758/#Comment_261758
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261762/#Comment_261762
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261770/#Comment_261770
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261775/#Comment_261775

But hey, I can give you some attention as well since that's what you're looking for.
stop spamming on contribute please, we ,the community you seem to just hate with all your might, are all trying to save the game. Stay on topic.
TERA PC - General Discussion#253 Equitas09/29/2018, 11:32 PM
M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
stop spamming on contribute please, we ,the community you seem to just hate with all your might, are all trying to save the game. Stay on topic.

Show me. I see not one post of yours where you're "trying to save the game", and half the posts in this thread are certifiable shitposts from proxy accounts that were either recently created or just on retainer. On top of that, the more recent shitposts serve just to get a little acknowledgement from me. Example A:

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261744/#Comment_261744
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261751/#Comment_261751
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261754/#Comment_261754
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261758/#Comment_261758
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261762/#Comment_261762
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261770/#Comment_261770
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/261775/#Comment_261775
TERA PC - General Discussion#254 Waitress09/29/2018, 11:45 PM
I take it this is the second coming of the "What's what in 2016" post

Save all of your breaths, don't bother typing out long essays pleading for change. I remember doing that back in 2016 hoping they'd side with players and do better, but they didnt. and me and everyone I knew quit then.

and just like now, there were a bunch saying "Yeah just go!!! The game doesnt need you whiners anyway!!"
and after we all quit, you all got charged more for costumes, mounts, and everything else they could because they lost half the playerbase and needed to makeup for all that loss of income.

So yeah, just let it happen again. Stop caring so much. Don't like it? Quit. Go on
and the ones that cheer you on to quit for being "whiners" will get to pay twice as much just a little later on to make up for you and everyone you know leaving. There's really no downside and Tera isnt as one-of-a-kind as a lot of you have convinced yourselves it is. I remember thinking there was no way I could play anything other than Tera when it came to MMOs. but 2 years after leaving I have a bigger guild and way more fun than I ever had in Tera.

It's never going to get better, so accept it and move on.
So i take it you literally didnt read the thread then. Good to know. Since you obviously didnt read the thread and just want to be a hostile [filtered] to everyone in every thread AND got put in your place concerning legal charge backs i already know you pull [filtered] clear out your [filtered].

But ill spoon feed you since you keep outing yourself, you couldve easily went back a few more post numbers to see one of many walls i posted.


But cmon, thats not what you want anyway, you just want to troll.
Really starting over on EU? The community there is even worse not worth it even Gameforge can literally ban your account for proxy or whatever reason that satisfy them. the best thing you people can do is wait for the situation to calm down and see if its gets any better or just quit.. sadly quitting and waiting was the option i took.
TERA PC - General Discussion#257 Equitas09/29/2018, 11:48 PM
M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
So i take it you literally didnt read the thread then. Good to know. Since you obviously didnt read the thread and just want to be a hostile [filtered] to everyone in every thread AND got put in your place concerning legal charge backs i already know you pull [filtered] clear out your [filtered].

But ill spoon feed you since you keep outing yourself, you couldve easily went back a few more post numbers to see one of many walls i posted.


But cmon, thats not what you want anyway, you just want to troll.

"literally didnt read the thread"
"obviously didnt read the thread"
"got put in your place"
"keep outing yourself"
"just want to troll"

Do you just throw words together in the hopes they'll be accurate, or...?
> @P3L63HE5XX said:
> Really starting over on EU? The community there is even worse not worth it even Gameforge can literally ban your account for proxy or whatever reason that satisfy them. the best thing you people can do is wait for the situation to calm down and see if its gets any better or just quit.. sadly quitting and waiting was the option i took.

Tbh ive no clue why people think moving to Eu is a good idea, the player base is very anti proxy if all of those very sudden new accounts are to be believed as solid criticism.

Tbh youd (generalizing) just be better off quitting or playing another game that has stabilized servers for Australians/Brazilians and etc.
M6KPMHHLR3 wrote: »
Tbh ive no clue why people think moving to Eu is a good idea, the player base is very anti proxy if all of those very sudden new accounts are to be believed as solid criticism.

Tbh youd (generalizing) just be better off quitting or playing another game that has stabilized servers for Australians/Brazilians and etc.
A lot of people seem to be under the impression that EU allowing dps meter = them being ok with proxy when they're two very different things. A lot of the "innocent" players that use proxy for ping issues on average probably don't understand much about computers and networking. They just follow somebody's instructions blindly and poof their bad ping is fixed like magic.
TERA PC - General Discussion#260 clfarron409/29/2018, 11:56 PM
The root of this whole mess boils down to the players asking for two things since pre-beta landed on NA: ping tax equalisation and FPS optimisation.

BHS didn't deliver.

The community did.

If BHS had delivered during pre-beta or even early into official release, I doubt proxy would have ever existed. But as it stands, BHS never implemented either, and so we are here, 6 years later.
Which is a problem though if we are being realistic, Eme can say theyll look for an alternative but iirc that requires installing something into the game which means, correct me if im wrong, we have to wait for BHS to give the ok to do so.

And Ktera just got a new dev team and EME staff don't SEEM (not as attack btw) to have the technical know how to pull this off.

Iirc the reason why GF even allows Shinra is because GF failed to implement their own parser which set this freak situation in motion.

While it is technically illegal they shouldve reached out to the devs first or tried to send BHS the dev tools to properly impliment it after review. While its breaking the rules, it still helps, slamming the gavel, strategically posting the news on a Friday and walking out for the weekend to ignore whats essentially a containment thread

Sketchy. Hardcore sketchy.

I already postes my bit 12 pages ago but this is how it goes? As of late.

I dont invest in games like these for a reason so if it really does get bad i can just double down on another game.

I feel like others should do the same and never feel shackled to a game, ppl in ff14 did that and they are miserable.
You know EME force everyone into one easily ignored objection thread so you'll stop arguing with them and start arguing with each other.
@Victorpresti I do not know many underground proxy places but I know proxy dev names. most of these came from a maker called bernkastel and he talk about ruining tera and making people quit all the time. that is not underground or hidden, as outsdier I see him as someone that provide these script to the community and tempting the greedy and troll side of people.
Eme will delete Our post so what the point....
TERA PC - General Discussion#265 Unknown7809/30/2018, 12:46 AM
I wonder if EME will even find and read any of these professional posts here and take any of the constructive criticisms to heart. Or, will they just be like "we are trying everything we can" like they usually say and keep the community in the dark.
TERA PC - General Discussion#266 PERIROCKZ09/30/2018, 01:07 AM
Hello EME please do something about this, thank you
The sad thing is, even if EME successfully drives away most of the NA PC population and loses profits from them, in the big picture it won't matter because they still have the entire console population to milk dry to pay whatever little employees they have left (and given the apparent quality of those employees that we've seen, they are likely not being paid much...)
TERA PC - General Discussion#268 Unknown7809/30/2018, 01:27 AM
The sad thing is, even if EME successfully drives away most of the NA PC population and loses profits from them, in the big picture it won't matter because they still have the entire console population to milk dry to pay whatever little employees they have left (and given the apparent quality of those employees that we've seen, they are likely not being paid much...)

I'm very sure console Tera isn't doing as good either due to lag, connection issues and lack of communication between CMs and the community. Sure it gives them money for now but I doubt it will serve them any substantial income in the long run.

TERA PC - General Discussion#269 Petaso09/30/2018, 01:27 AM
*laughs*
ggwp
Sad to see that the beautiful game that had a promised beginning is going to the traaash.
TERA PC - General Discussion#270 Surlent09/30/2018, 01:36 AM
Update on Chicago ping status, which the forum glorifies. Seems like being around 30 minutes away from Chicago won't save me during the peak hours. If I play during the peak time, I'm getting 387ms ping (8:34pm CT right now). Whereas, I had a 22ms ping this morning (11:05 am CT). Guess I can only play during non-peak hours for a good experience.
TERA PC - General Discussion#271 Xerses09/30/2018, 01:57 AM
22 pages of replies and not a single one from counterpoint. You know [filtered]'s bad when counterpoint stops defending eme
The thing is that if PvP is mainly dead and PvE will die as well or it will become extremely dull and boring since so many good players are losing interest for whatever reason and are starting to sell their gear and leaving then what will become of this game?

Is there some sort of follow up to this decision to block the proxy thing that could help the PvE community?
Hey ho. i've been playing on eu for a long time and the unfair conditions have made me ask certain questions to the gameforge crew. After weeks of no response, I was even banned under the words "I would call for proxy use" of course, that was a lie on the part of the admins, because always clear that I wrote VS cheats and proxy.

the gameforge crew is absolutely corrupt and lies and spends their time on private discord servers with a select minority of players. there is no information on important topics and no clear statement on the "third party question".

example thread:
https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/72609-Questions-to-Admins-Managers-Moderators/


I am happy if this ban finally arrives in the EU and TERA is optimized to the extent that many wish.

For years, fair players adhered to the general terms of business. not even gameforge, admins, community managers, facilitators, and helpers have held these. there was never any clear evidence.

moongourd can stay away too, bravo!

which of course would be nice if the ping and fps problem is officially solved. It is time that the fair players are rewarded.
There is something positive and negative.

The positive, the main guild that rule Kaitor server. In CU
Were defeated for first time in long time, since this notice. They always won.

The negative queque times increased even more. Now getting a party for a 431 or 412 is 3 x time.

So technically player progression were nerfed by 90%. A new player will be lucky if reach frosmetal +0 in 4 months
Xerses wrote: »
22 pages of replies and not a single one from counterpoint. You know [filtered]'s bad when counterpoint stops defending eme

counterpoint doesn't just mindlessly defend EME.
TERA PC - General Discussion#276 sid79s09/30/2018, 03:27 AM
FODOKCH wrote: »
sid79s wrote: »
that the minority of the players were cheats, please since 2017 the statistics changed a lot, currently the majority used the proxy to tramapically 80% of the proxy players abused the pergrams and those that were really helped were minority,

I repeat again my previous comment you want to blame someone, blame you cheat friend blame yourself for not reporting to cheats, by God in FWC most of the top players in the rank were cheaters who did not use the proxy to aid in the ping if not to cheat, they made impossible combos because they broke the game rules of the class they had with practically infinite combos if they wanted, petrax in 3 seconds please that's just cheating and I do not use proxy to level your ping if not to break the rules, as I said the community abuse of the proxy to break rules not to help the statistics change and they became majority and when that happens the radical measures are applied, blame your friend who took advantage of the game

@sid79s u r wrong bro, u cant do the right rotation with warrior with 200ms+, of course the TOP pvp players uses proxy, even who lives in chicago has high ping, to fix it the people are using proxy because it is the solution, lag spikes like a hell in tera, so i wont blame my cheat friend because that enmasse already has banned them. I challenge you to play tera with 200ms+

you should read the comment again I'm not talking about the people who use the proxy to improve their ping, I'm talking about the people who use the proxy to take advantage of the game, if nobody realized that EME is not removing the proxies by the people who only want to improve their ping, EME removing it by the people who use them to cheat, how many people you know cheats and breaks the rules and instead of reporting the contrary they want to do the same, the game has more than 5 years and believe that eme I did not know about the proxys, of course they knew and everything was fine until people started abusing and cheating, as I said now the statistics changed saying that cheats are minority when today was the opposite there were more cheaters honest people, I play tera without proxies or scripts or anything and give battle to those proxies and I am Latin I do not have a low ping, just see some comments above where a person is complaining because he has a ping of 17ms Because you do not have the proxy anymore, you think that person needs a proxy, obviously he does not use it to improve his ping.

the cheaters are always here and in 2 or 3 days they will find another way to cheat but if people do not report, why do people cry and complain with EME when the people who cheat are the cause of all this?
TERA PC - General Discussion#277 6R1MM01R309/30/2018, 03:33 AM
sid79s wrote: »
FODOKCH wrote: »
sid79s wrote: »
that the minority of the players were cheats, please since 2017 the statistics changed a lot, currently the majority used the proxy to tramapically 80% of the proxy players abused the pergrams and those that were really helped were minority,

I repeat again my previous comment you want to blame someone, blame you cheat friend blame yourself for not reporting to cheats, by God in FWC most of the top players in the rank were cheaters who did not use the proxy to aid in the ping if not to cheat, they made impossible combos because they broke the game rules of the class they had with practically infinite combos if they wanted, petrax in 3 seconds please that's just cheating and I do not use proxy to level your ping if not to break the rules, as I said the community abuse of the proxy to break rules not to help the statistics change and they became majority and when that happens the radical measures are applied, blame your friend who took advantage of the game

@sid79s u r wrong bro, u cant do the right rotation with warrior with 200ms+, of course the TOP pvp players uses proxy, even who lives in chicago has high ping, to fix it the people are using proxy because it is the solution, lag spikes like a hell in tera, so i wont blame my cheat friend because that enmasse already has banned them. I challenge you to play tera with 200ms+

you should read the comment again I'm not talking about the people who use the proxy to improve their ping, I'm talking about the people who use the proxy to take advantage of the game, if nobody realized that EME is not removing the proxies by the people who only want to improve their ping, EME removing it by the people who use them to cheat, how many people you know cheats and breaks the rules and instead of reporting the contrary they want to do the same, the game has more than 5 years and believe that eme I did not know about the proxys, of course they knew and everything was fine until people started abusing and cheating, as I said now the statistics changed saying that cheats are minority when today was the opposite there were more cheaters honest people, I play tera without proxies or scripts or anything and give battle to those proxies and I am Latin I do not have a low ping, just see some comments above where a person is complaining because he has a ping of 17ms Because you do not have the proxy anymore, you think that person needs a proxy, obviously he does not use it to improve his ping.

the cheaters are always here and in 2 or 3 days they will find another way to cheat but if people do not report, why do people cry and complain with EME when the people who cheat are the cause of all this?

There are exploiters thats for sure, but I'd say that they represent a small portion of those who used proxy. Sadly the ignorant community think of every proxy user the same way, exploiters or not and EME is just as dumb as them.
TERA PC - General Discussion#278 ElinUsagi09/30/2018, 03:41 AM
Words from your beloved GF comunity manager (Nyoka) about 3rd party software:
It has come to our attention that the in game usage of exploits and cheats that allow for an unfair gameplay advantage in both PvP and PvE contents has been increasing.
While in the past we’ve tolerated partial usage of non-malicious tools in Europe, we are convinced that blocking malicious usages must be a priority to protect the integrity of the game and believe this is in the best interest of the TERA community.

So I hope you get fun leveling your characters, spending money if you ever did that in the game and later get banned because GF stance about this is no diferent than EME and sooner or later they will enforce similar actions.
TERA PC - General Discussion#279 Mirakael09/30/2018, 03:45 AM
Now playing: Frank Sinatra - My way
TERA PC - General Discussion#280 Fezoh09/30/2018, 03:46 AM
milktease wrote: »
It's disappointing to see various people in here saying "good riddance" and suggesting that this won't affect the game at all. You must be really playing inside a bubble if you think this won't drastically decrease number of players in the game.

The number of people who naturally have low enough ping to enjoy the game as it was designed to run is limited to the NA West Coast. I know more people on the game from SEA, EU, OCE than from NA, let alone the West Coast. If you can get good ping from where you live, great. If you insist on sitting on your "ethical" high horse, don't judge those that have used these tools to make the game playable and put them on an even playing field with the more geographically advantaged.

The truth is that these developers have helped to extend the life of this game by making it playable for so many people. Most of the people who use it do not exploit it, and it does not give them an unfair advantage over you. Most of the people you see in dungeons and around the game need proxy to play. Even out of the ones who don't, there are many who use Xigncode bypass.

Of course it would be great if people could play without using third party software, but the reality is that BHS and Eme are incompetent and will never correct the issues that continuously plague the game. Even bugs and glitches fail to get fixed for months, it's no wonder that people have resorted to solutions made by outside developers.

Stay on your ethical pedestal all you want. This is going to affect everyone who continues to play, no matter how separated you think you are from proxy.

ur dumb, west coast actually gets worse ping than east coast does bc chicago is closer to east LMAO, chicago is a center of population meaning anywhere in the us should get at maximum, lower than 80. am i gonna cry like a baby and fill my diaper up because i cant get good to ping to br servers in cs? hell no, i'm going to play on NA servers. hell, some servers have a LIMIT to what ping you have before you can join. tera players are just entitled as [filtered] and think this is something common when its really not, and in every other game if you have high ping, thats that, and its ur fault for not playing on the local server. and no local servers near where you live? tough [filtered]
Fezoh wrote: »
milktease wrote: »
It's disappointing to see various people in here saying "good riddance" and suggesting that this won't affect the game at all. You must be really playing inside a bubble if you think this won't drastically decrease number of players in the game.

The number of people who naturally have low enough ping to enjoy the game as it was designed to run is limited to the NA West Coast. I know more people on the game from SEA, EU, OCE than from NA, let alone the West Coast. If you can get good ping from where you live, great. If you insist on sitting on your "ethical" high horse, don't judge those that have used these tools to make the game playable and put them on an even playing field with the more geographically advantaged.

The truth is that these developers have helped to extend the life of this game by making it playable for so many people. Most of the people who use it do not exploit it, and it does not give them an unfair advantage over you. Most of the people you see in dungeons and around the game need proxy to play. Even out of the ones who don't, there are many who use Xigncode bypass.

Of course it would be great if people could play without using third party software, but the reality is that BHS and Eme are incompetent and will never correct the issues that continuously plague the game. Even bugs and glitches fail to get fixed for months, it's no wonder that people have resorted to solutions made by outside developers.

Stay on your ethical pedestal all you want. This is going to affect everyone who continues to play, no matter how separated you think you are from proxy.

ur dumb, west coast actually gets worse ping than east coast does bc chicago is closer to east LMAO, chicago is a center of population meaning anywhere in the us should get at maximum, lower than 80. am i gonna cry like a baby and fill my diaper up because i cant get good to ping to br servers in cs? hell no, i'm going to play on NA servers. hell, some servers have a LIMIT to what ping you have before you can join. tera players are just entitled as [filtered] and think this is something common when its really not, and in every other game if you have high ping, thats that, and its ur fault for not playing on the local server. and no local servers near where you live? tough [filtered]

Shut your damn mouth if you do not know what is going on. Even with high ping, there are games that implement netcodes way better than Tera does. The glitches, flaws in netcode in Tera was fixed by these devs because BHS and EME and not done anything to resolve them for over 5 years, no excuse for a large game dev and publisher. I swear I could have coded a much better netcode with that amount of time they sat on doing nothing, and that is with me not even knowing much advanced coding. Some games may have ping lock, but I want you to know that the vast majority of them implement netcodes in a way that is fair in terms of ping, you clearly do not play enough MMOs to understand netcode implementation.

Here is an advice for you, if you don't know nuts, shut your mouth.
> @ElinUsagi said:
> Words from your beloved GF comunity manager (Nyoka) about 3rd party software:
> It has come to our attention that the in game usage of exploits and cheats that allow for an unfair gameplay advantage in both PvP and PvE contents has been increasing.
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> While in the past we’ve tolerated partial usage of non-malicious tools in Europe, we are convinced that blocking malicious usages must be a priority to protect the integrity of the game and believe this is in the best interest of the TERA community.
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> So I hope you get fun leveling your characters, spending money if you ever did that in the game and later get banned because GF stance about this is no diferent than EME and sooner or later they will enforce similar actions.

Or in other words anyone not in an advataged region should just quit most mmos. Which is pretty sad.
TERA PC - General Discussion#283 Bossie09/30/2018, 04:25 AM
since eme wana kill itself,i will surely help out,i will move to EU tera!
TERA PC - General Discussion#284 favonius09/30/2018, 04:33 AM
I have already started at EU , they welcomed with so many buddy up codes.

<img src="https://imgur.com/ngLmP8U"; alt=":-)"/>
TERA PC - General Discussion#285 Bimber09/30/2018, 05:06 AM
“We love you TERA players and we understand that you’re upset about this.”

To be brutally honest, no. no you guys don’t. We have been voicing our thoughts for over two years now and still no change. You’ll continue to do what you’re doing until the game is dead. You brought this on yourselves, you dug your grave and now you must lay in it. If you want your game to change, listen to the community. It’s something you have failed to do countless times.
You want to know why people use proxy? It’s because without it, your game is UNPLAYABLE. Everyone is leaving, and the few people you have will get fed up with it sooner or later. Literally, read through EVERY comment people are posting on this forum. You might actually learn something and make a comeback.
TERA PC - General Discussion#286 Fezoh09/30/2018, 05:36 AM
Fezoh wrote: »
milktease wrote: »
It's disappointing to see various people in here saying "good riddance" and suggesting that this won't affect the game at all. You must be really playing inside a bubble if you think this won't drastically decrease number of players in the game.

The number of people who naturally have low enough ping to enjoy the game as it was designed to run is limited to the NA West Coast. I know more people on the game from SEA, EU, OCE than from NA, let alone the West Coast. If you can get good ping from where you live, great. If you insist on sitting on your "ethical" high horse, don't judge those that have used these tools to make the game playable and put them on an even playing field with the more geographically advantaged.

The truth is that these developers have helped to extend the life of this game by making it playable for so many people. Most of the people who use it do not exploit it, and it does not give them an unfair advantage over you. Most of the people you see in dungeons and around the game need proxy to play. Even out of the ones who don't, there are many who use Xigncode bypass.

Of course it would be great if people could play without using third party software, but the reality is that BHS and Eme are incompetent and will never correct the issues that continuously plague the game. Even bugs and glitches fail to get fixed for months, it's no wonder that people have resorted to solutions made by outside developers.

Stay on your ethical pedestal all you want. This is going to affect everyone who continues to play, no matter how separated you think you are from proxy.

ur dumb, west coast actually gets worse ping than east coast does bc chicago is closer to east LMAO, chicago is a center of population meaning anywhere in the us should get at maximum, lower than 80. am i gonna cry like a baby and fill my diaper up because i cant get good to ping to br servers in cs? hell no, i'm going to play on NA servers. hell, some servers have a LIMIT to what ping you have before you can join. tera players are just entitled as [filtered] and think this is something common when its really not, and in every other game if you have high ping, thats that, and its ur fault for not playing on the local server. and no local servers near where you live? tough [filtered]

Shut your damn mouth if you do not know what is going on. Even with high ping, there are games that implement netcodes way better than Tera does. The glitches, flaws in netcode in Tera was fixed by these devs because BHS and EME and not done anything to resolve them for over 5 years, no excuse for a large game dev and publisher. I swear I could have coded a much better netcode with that amount of time they sat on doing nothing, and that is with me not even knowing much advanced coding. Some games may have ping lock, but I want you to know that the vast majority of them implement netcodes in a way that is fair in terms of ping, you clearly do not play enough MMOs to understand netcode implementation.

Here is an advice for you, if you don't know nuts, shut your mouth.

uh not really there is zero games that exist where a high ping player will be on an even level with lower ping players. netcode is also extremely complicated to perfect which is why certain games are praised over others for it (see: lag compensation, etc), its not something a novice level shitter can "just do better because lol".

btw when you say the proxy devs '''''fixed'''' the netcode, they literally just changed the way the client handles skill casting and thats why it is awful with pvp because pvp is server sided. totally fixed it though!
TERA PC - General Discussion#287 Fezoh09/30/2018, 05:37 AM
Bimber wrote: »
“We love you TERA players and we understand that you’re upset about this.”

To be brutally honest, no. no you guys don’t. We have been voicing our thoughts for over two years now and still no change. You’ll continue to do what you’re doing until the game is dead. You brought this on yourselves, you dug your grave and now you must lay in it. If you want your game to change, listen to the community. It’s something you have failed to do countless times.
You want to know why people use proxy? It’s because without it, your game is UNPLAYABLE. Everyone is leaving, and the few people you have will get fed up with it sooner or later. Literally, read through EVERY comment people are posting on this forum. You might actually learn something and make a comeback.

actually the game was entirely more alive back when proxy didnt exist, wonder how that works?
if they take out the proxy and do not fix it, uninstalled.
best mmo.
rip tera 2011 - 2018
TERA PC - General Discussion#289 TJukuren09/30/2018, 05:52 AM
Fezoh wrote: »
Bimber wrote: »
“We love you TERA players and we understand that you’re upset about this.”

To be brutally honest, no. no you guys don’t. We have been voicing our thoughts for over two years now and still no change. You’ll continue to do what you’re doing until the game is dead. You brought this on yourselves, you dug your grave and now you must lay in it. If you want your game to change, listen to the community. It’s something you have failed to do countless times.
You want to know why people use proxy? It’s because without it, your game is UNPLAYABLE. Everyone is leaving, and the few people you have will get fed up with it sooner or later. Literally, read through EVERY comment people are posting on this forum. You might actually learn something and make a comeback.

actually the game was entirely more alive back when proxy didnt exist, wonder how that works?

It's pretty simple actually. Back then the servers weren't as complete trash as they are now. The EME staff weren't as completely brain dead. Also back then the game was a lot more fun than the extreme grindfest it is now, hence more people stayed interested and played. I remember working on my Generation set and actually having fun with it. But now it's like you grind for ages at only a slight chance of upgrading your gear. You know what happens when a game turns into a super repetitive boring grindfest? People leave. Even without proxy or dps meter, the game was going to keep losing numbers.
TERA PC - General Discussion#290 Dvsv09/30/2018, 05:57 AM
Fezoh wrote: »
ur dumb, west coast actually gets worse ping than east coast does bc chicago is closer to east LMAO, chicago is a center of population meaning anywhere in the us should get at maximum, lower than 80. am i gonna cry like a baby and fill my diaper up because i cant get good to ping to br servers in cs? hell no, i'm going to play on NA servers. hell, some servers have a LIMIT to what ping you have before you can join. tera players are just entitled as [filtered] and think this is something common when its really not, and in every other game if you have high ping, thats that, and its ur fault for not playing on the local server. and no local servers near where you live? tough [filtered]
Hey smarty, can you tell me WHERE they host a south american Tera server so BRs can play??
Do you know that there's NO local server for a LOT, and i mean, a LOT, of Tera's playerbase???

And can you explain why:
*There's no IP block on NA Tera;
*Your publisher especially made a payment method just to sell EMP for BRs?


They even made a partnership with one local BR provider just to sell more EMP and advertise the game for BRs hahaha!
Look: https://joguetera.uol.com.br/

So, you NA publisher want MONEY from foreign players but they don't give a #[email protected]! about their gaming experience??
If you don't want to support anything outside NA then just ask them to do like the majority of MMOs and put an IP block in the game and NEVER EVER ask money or advertise your service for oversea players and ofc, enjoy your 500 players!




TERA PC - General Discussion#291 gnusnyy09/30/2018, 06:54 AM
This would've been my sixth year playing tera, except all my friends and guildmates have already quit before the merge because of the sh*t direction and monotony the game had become. It finally wore them down enough that even playing becomes a chore despite hanging out with eachother...

I thought maybe after the merge I might have a chance to play again and meet new people...but this seals it for me, soon this game will look like Flyff.
At least I had many good experiences and made friends while it was around.
gg

I would offer the same advice everyone has already been shouting for years and even in some of these posts... but I know what happens to these threads.
TERA PC - General Discussion#292 rexoe09/30/2018, 06:57 AM
if you think they ever gonna care or change you are a fool we lost the people that cared long ago is the EA era where money cares they can shut this if they want it wont damage blue hole they have pubg, air and alot of other games best choice is to move to something else.
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
@Victorpresti I do not know many underground proxy places but I know proxy dev names. most of these came from a maker called bernkastel and he talk about ruining tera and making people quit all the time. that is not underground or hidden, as outsdier I see him as someone that provide these script to the community and tempting the greedy and troll side of people.

I mean you just said yourself you know very little. Kinda pointless. Bern is mostly working on his own Skill Prediction modules and that's it.
By the time you are done reading this comment an archer has just finished his second tick of rapid fire. He started the first when this thread began. Rapid fire has 7 hits.
Double post due to server lag.
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Please be patient with us while we see what we can come up with.

Just keep in mind that one of your close competitors just released an official server on SA while you guys decided to start your crusade against one of the best tools ever developed for Tera to mitigate latency issues.

Like it or not, it made your game playable for most high latency players from other countries.

From a business standpoint it's understandable not want to be held hostage of 3rd party tool devs, but without any solution to replace their proxy you're undermining yourselves.

You gonna lose alot of SA players for good.
TERA PC - General Discussion#297 Kahm09/30/2018, 07:35 AM
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No more brs and no more cheaters in my game? Sounds like a win-win situation for me ;)

Ok. This picture made me laugh.. a lot. Only because I can relate to it. I joined Tera shortly after it went free to play and honestly.. I loved it back then. Castanic Femme for life! Stopped playing Tera for a year or two, went back to FF XIV when ARR came out. Got as far as MSQ allowed and came back to Tera till they added more content to XIV. Started playing Tera again a few ago and yea.. saw that Picture live on my screen. Nothing personal against you BR people! But you gotta admit, this picture is kinda funny. In XIV it would have been all the Gil sellers spamming you.

Anywho, I've not posted anything in a very long time, but when I had I tried to support EME from everyone trash talking them. Look, EME brought us Tera. Some of the worst things in the game came from the players using hacks and the endless hate and trash talking. I agree that "things" could have been handled a bit better with the current situation and state of the game by EME. Maybe the "bean counters" were against spending a lot of money on the Devs to create a better method thus forcing them to find a "cheaper" way. Someone said in another post that "EME wouldn't do it so the community did." This game is "OLD" and possibly doesn't generate the cash flow like it use to or like other games they currently have out. If that is the case then they would be less likely to spend money on "better" fixes and support for it.

That being said, EME.. can't you take what the community has created and use it so it's NOT a "3rd Party" classification? or at least accept the usage of a select type? There's nothing more beneficial to the community than when a game developer that encourages the community to build things that "Add to the game". Wouldn't that also make more people want to play?

About Proxy... I agree to the benefits and know exploits it has.. I don't use it.. never had the need to. I'm a slacker.. I only speak, read and type English so never had the need to be on a different country's server.. However, seems like there is a lot of you that do. So.. EME, can you not adapt one of those methods to the game that you'd maintain control over?

Or... do you get some kind of a morbid, sadistic enjoyment out of watching all these people attack each other on the forums? I know I do.. it's funny to see how far it can go sometimes over stupid things. Last time I said anything on the forums it was when the game started having some serious connection issues.. someone said you all forgot to feed the hamsters. I'm guessing the high ping is because you all had to lay-off some of them now? I can run to the pet store and buy you some, the area I live in Florida is non-union so these hamsters here would honestly work for peanuts.


Hello KT CU today had over 500 player so please check it out. do not listen to posts here saying tera has less than 100 people that is not accurate . tons of pvp action and player fighting today.bg pop since very morning frequent. pretty good and not near as bad as i thought
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
Hello KT CU today had over 500 player so please check it out. do not listen to posts here saying tera has less than 100 people that is not accurate . tons of pvp action and player fighting today.bg pop since very morning frequent. pretty good and not near as bad as i thought

The support for the 3rd party program goes after 16th though. Naturally you will still see players lingering hoping there will be some change happening. Wonder if youre going to say the same thing after 16th though ;)
In order to stop this Drama and Bad Community. Just accepting the proxy back,but only Skill Prediction mod that make everyone have Low Ping in order for them to be able to play 446 dungeon and up also accept FPS mod where it improve everyone Fps when its crowd. Other than this mod should be not allow to use because it ruin the game.And Proxy for Low ping Mod need to fix as well,because they always go through Crossair Stronghold.,or we can just keep banning them for keep doing this cheat behavior. Im agree for everyone to get ban for something that they cheat,but Low Ping is a must for Non-NA players,Half of this Game players is from Non.NA. Imagine you have 250ms and play dungeon,yes we are doing really Bad Dps,and cant even clear the dungeon.Its not fun Game at all at that point.Oh yeah accept Shinra Meter Back,because that help everyone to be competetive in term of running Dungeon basically good motivation for PVE players,i mean in Korean Server bunch of them stream this stuff,and its approved,so why not here.So In order to stop all this Drama. Proxy that only consist low ping Mod,FPS improve Mod and also Dps Meter for them to know what they do wrong in PvE,it help newbie learning how to get better,If new dungeon realease,without this,i think everyone will start quiting at the end,due to.There have no way for them to know if they are doing good at their DPS,and there have no way for them to run hard dungeon. How about you guys work with those proxy creator and improve the low ping weaknesses. Im just giving my suggestion in order to improve TERA system,Community,and motivation for them to keep playing TERA. Sorry if im being agressive,i hope that i dont lose more of my guildies and friend that start going to EU since this Drama happen.Im losing like half of my member for this,due to most of us are like 280ms just trying to play PVE End Content.It was so enjoyable,until this happen.
TERA PC - General Discussion#301 Berogi09/30/2018, 10:54 AM
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Oh my a bomb exploded
TERA PC - General Discussion#302 Babbelsim09/30/2018, 11:13 AM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We love you TERA players and we understand that you’re upset about this. We will investigate solutions that provide some of the benefits that these 3rd Party Services offered in a form that doesn't violate our terms of service. Please be patient with us while we see what we can come up with.

This line really made me laugh, all i see is a lie and a empty promise... when your doing plan A always make sure you have a plan B by means that if your doing something big like this make sure you ALREADY have something to replace PROXY/SP immediately so you dont lose a big portion of YOUR playerbase.

Also NEVER drop a bomb like this right before the weekend its like you people get a kick out of this or your to scared of the backlash and wait for it to die down because you dont HAVE to respond back because its the weekend, not very professional of you.
TERA PC - General Discussion#303 Lolitaa09/30/2018, 11:24 AM
Babbelsim wrote: »
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We love you TERA players and we understand that you’re upset about this. We will investigate solutions that provide some of the benefits that these 3rd Party Services offered in a form that doesn't violate our terms of service. Please be patient with us while we see what we can come up with.

This line really made me laugh, all i see is a lie and a empty promise... when your doing plan A always make sure you have a plan B by means that if your doing something big like this make sure you ALREADY have something to replace PROXY/SP immediately so you dont lose a big portion of YOUR playerbase.

no kidding. nothing will come of what she said. nothing ever does anymore. i'm still waiting for more items to be put into fashion coupon shop. or tera rewards store. and i'm sad this came before my main finally became more relevant again.
it was nice knowing tera. i met some good people. i had a lot of fun. it kept me very well occupied and distracted when i had depression throughout last year. i made a bunch of characters i fell in love with and gave personality.

thankfully I haven't spent more than $100 aud on this game. eme and bhs don't deserve my money when they don't care for an enjoyable gameplay experience for me. (can't enjoy tera without sp. no way. you can't play smooth and orgasmic like this at 250ms.)
TERA PC - General Discussion#304 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 11:25 AM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
This is the thread from the News & Announcements area. Please be kind, respectful and if you want to add constructive feedback, it's welcome. Disciplinary action will be taken if any player uses foul language, attacks EME employees or other players. Statement from Denommentor:

If you want to talk about respect start with an actual conversation, instead of a copy pasted reply made by someone else. Why don`t you get one of your drones to Stream about it, and see what people have to say in real time. Not that you would care, but it would leave a better impression then this, considering how big this subject actually is. This game is not known for transparency and getting things done, ok? so please stop making it seem like you care about anything other then cash. "Respect". Don`t make me laugh. You shouldn't talk about things you haven't earned. Take a look around. Even the player council you appointed yourself, or should I say, the remaining ones you didn't drive away yet, isn't really trying to defend you.

Dear all TERA Players,
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We have recently issued some standard takedown requests to platforms around the internet where we found communities actively working in violation of our Terms of Service. En Masse Entertainment has maintained a firm stance against 3rd Party programs or mods that violate our Terms of Service.

Yeah recently. As in, after all these years of silently accepting third party programs, while benefiting from the fact that proxies and meters have kept a lot of people playing, only - now - have you decided to taken action, for some kind of reason. A "firm stance" indeed lol.
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We understand your frustration and regret that this may have disrupted gameplay for some players. We took this action in an effort to protect the experience for those who play the game fairly and engage in the community positively.

Ok first off, stop making it sound like something its not. The only ones you are really trying to "protect" is yourselves and your trying to avoid having to deal with your masters (BHS). First they told you to shove "Xigncode3" into the game. It wasn't really your choice granted, but that failed miserably. As you probably knew it would because Xigncode3 doesn't really stop proxies and meters. And now "all of a sudden", seemingly out of the blue, right before the second apex, you pull this stunt independently while knowing its going to hurt your player base. I don`t know why you have waited for so long to do this, but I can take a guess. And my guess is that this is because of the server merges (NA had one, and EU is going to have one). The situation made your overlords take a gander at us (NA). And then they then took a gander at you (EME). I think that they didn't like what they were seeing (not community wise, and not how you handle things). Or, to be more exact, I think that your babysitters probably want to first wrap things up in Tera NA, before taking a look at their other investments. After all... proxies and meters work just fine in EU, and in K-Tera as well (lolz ikr).

This hypothesis is why I am saying that you should just... I dunno... go back to making coffee, or whatever it is you do.
KitTeaCup wrote: »
The current situation does not justify abusive or toxic behavior directed at our employees or other players. Threads that are not constructive or violate our code of conduct will be closed or deleted. Disciplinary action will be taken against those players that display this behavior.

Actually the current situation does warrant quite a few controversial comments. Like mine for example. You are welcome to take "disciplinary action" if you want too. I don`t really care at this point.
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We love you TERA players and we understand that you’re upset about this. We will investigate solutions that provide some of the benefits that these 3rd Party Services offered in a form that doesn't violate our terms of service. Please be patient with us while we see what we can come up with.

I don`t believe you. You haven't done anything about this for years. So excuse for me for saying that I think every single line in there is BS.
I am rather curious to see what will really happen after 16th because if so many geared/skilled players are quitting ( saw already a bunch of friends selling the gear and leaving ) then PvE will be a really poor experience since for example i already had the pleasure to do KNDM for the dungeon event with IM since there was no LFG ( guess why ) and the players that had x4 pounding or even missing crystals and were attacking from all sides ending up with a 10min kill on first boss when it used to go so much faster ( i am surprised that we did not wipe ).

Besides, what will happen with the economy that is broken already? And what about EMP? Are we going to see some sort of 1:150 EMP rates or maybe 1:200? Is elite going to cost 300k? 400k?

I think that this whole situation has way too many implications and practically brushing off a portion of important PvE players that maintaned the stability of the game which was already so weakened will not improve the health of this game because any other player will feel the shockwave and if a compromise will not be found then even in my case i might have to be forced to quit myself after playing for so many years...

The promising server merge and the 2nd awakening with the talent system coming sometimes in the future is turning into a very sad and dramatic story..

I really hope that a compromise will be found.


p.s. 21k views on this thread from which mostly worried players.. and i have prepared to gear up a gunner and enjoy the awakening just to end up like this..
Fezoh wrote: »
Fezoh wrote: »
milktease wrote: »
It's disappointing to see various people in here saying "good riddance" and suggesting that this won't affect the game at all. You must be really playing inside a bubble if you think this won't drastically decrease number of players in the game.

The number of people who naturally have low enough ping to enjoy the game as it was designed to run is limited to the NA West Coast. I know more people on the game from SEA, EU, OCE than from NA, let alone the West Coast. If you can get good ping from where you live, great. If you insist on sitting on your "ethical" high horse, don't judge those that have used these tools to make the game playable and put them on an even playing field with the more geographically advantaged.

The truth is that these developers have helped to extend the life of this game by making it playable for so many people. Most of the people who use it do not exploit it, and it does not give them an unfair advantage over you. Most of the people you see in dungeons and around the game need proxy to play. Even out of the ones who don't, there are many who use Xigncode bypass.

Of course it would be great if people could play without using third party software, but the reality is that BHS and Eme are incompetent and will never correct the issues that continuously plague the game. Even bugs and glitches fail to get fixed for months, it's no wonder that people have resorted to solutions made by outside developers.

Stay on your ethical pedestal all you want. This is going to affect everyone who continues to play, no matter how separated you think you are from proxy.

ur dumb, west coast actually gets worse ping than east coast does bc chicago is closer to east LMAO, chicago is a center of population meaning anywhere in the us should get at maximum, lower than 80. am i gonna cry like a baby and fill my diaper up because i cant get good to ping to br servers in cs? hell no, i'm going to play on NA servers. hell, some servers have a LIMIT to what ping you have before you can join. tera players are just entitled as [filtered] and think this is something common when its really not, and in every other game if you have high ping, thats that, and its ur fault for not playing on the local server. and no local servers near where you live? tough [filtered]

Shut your damn mouth if you do not know what is going on. Even with high ping, there are games that implement netcodes way better than Tera does. The glitches, flaws in netcode in Tera was fixed by these devs because BHS and EME and not done anything to resolve them for over 5 years, no excuse for a large game dev and publisher. I swear I could have coded a much better netcode with that amount of time they sat on doing nothing, and that is with me not even knowing much advanced coding. Some games may have ping lock, but I want you to know that the vast majority of them implement netcodes in a way that is fair in terms of ping, you clearly do not play enough MMOs to understand netcode implementation.

Here is an advice for you, if you don't know nuts, shut your mouth.

uh not really there is zero games that exist where a high ping player will be on an even level with lower ping players. netcode is also extremely complicated to perfect which is why certain games are praised over others for it (see: lag compensation, etc), its not something a novice level shitter can "just do better because lol".

btw when you say the proxy devs '''''fixed'''' the netcode, they literally just changed the way the client handles skill casting and thats why it is awful with pvp because pvp is server sided. totally fixed it though!

idgaf about your "other" games, you are talking about Tera here, get your argument straight dude. There is no such thing as a perfect implementation of netcode, but proxy was one that made the playing field a lot more level especially in PVE. It appears you are grossly ill-informed in netcode techniques. Don't bother arguing to me about it, when you don't code games yourself.

Let me make it clear wthat proxy simply routes the packets of your client. By itself it does nothing. It is only useful when you use modules on it, in this case, SP which emulates a server side response back to your client, making it more client sided. This should have been the implementation in the first place. No MMO dev in the right mind to this day, would compromise input latency for server parity, that is the cardinal sin of netcoding as any latency in input is known to cause gamebreaking issues.

And also one more thing, if you even bother arguing that PVP in Tera is important, you clearly do not play Tera. PVP has been dead for the longest time ever since SCHM patch.
TERA PC - General Discussion#307 Eimichan09/30/2018, 01:45 PM
Been playing from europe since the p2p days ~
Just thought i'd chime in and say i'm glad to see eme taking a harder stance against 3rd party programs/mods.
Allowing them to go on for this long has likely caused a myriad of problems over the years that wouldn't even cross most players minds including wasted r&d time trying in vain to provide support to such players that could've been spent on changes & features to the game.

Just gotta hope you don't back down cos of a vocal minority now ^^
con todo respeto, pero en vista que la eliminación de estos programas de terceros que hacían mas jugable tera, por el ping alto que se tiene en latinoamerica. espero tengan una solución a esto pues si no. muchos dejaran el tera por ese detalle crucial.
no desestimen esto pues todo juego depende de el nivel de satisfaccion de los usarios y a puertas del 2do apex se vino abajo toda expectativa.
gracias
So much rant.

When you installed Tera on your PC, did you read in the TOS "no proxy"?

OK THEN!

YOU KNEW IT WAS AGAINST THE TOS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!

Quit complaining about it!! Proxy users had advantages over normal players.

There is no sympathy for proxy users here because you darn well knew it was against the TOS when you installed TERA...
TERA PC - General Discussion#310 Bluehydra09/30/2018, 02:25 PM
...> @MatrixOfLeaders said:
> So much rant.
>
> When you installed Tera on your PC, did you read in the TOS "no proxy"?
>
> OK THEN!
>
> YOU KNEW IT WAS AGAINST THE TOS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
>
> Quit complaining about it!! Proxy users had advantages over normal players.
>
> There is no sympathy for proxy users here because you darn well knew it was against the TOS when you installed TERA...

Firstly, i get what you mean, but the ToS is not something that fell from the sky. It's something that was made and can be changed by the company who established it.
People are requesting this change because the 3rd party software fixes tons of issues tera has has for a LONG time and has never fixed, plus it makes the game playable for people with high ping.
Most of the people using it were doing it for ping reasons and to be able to get rid of Xingcode.
I get that you may see these people as cheaters but they were just trying to play the game and not exploiting it, no matter how hard you quote the ToS.

You say proxy players had such a huge advantage over normal players, but id like you to compare the gap between people with high ping and normal players, it's definitely wider. And people from other places than Chicago want to play.
If eme had never had people outside of the US central area as a target, then it would have never come up.
But they did specifically go after Latin players, a simple proof of this is they introduced local emp buying methods.
If you're offering your product but can't offer it with the quality it should have, then you're just being dishonest with your commercial practice.
Your lack of sympathy is misplaced, you see everyone as a cheater because they did what they could to make the game playable.
For example ini file modifications are technically against the ToS as well, but most of the player base has them because it drastically improves performance, and no one sees it as a "bad" thing. People who use in modifications will definitely have an advantage over people playing at 12 fps, but it's not an exploit to try to get the game to work properly, and if tera had these as default, it wouldn't even be needed.

EME is free to adjust their ToS if it were to give a better experience to it's players. But so far they have been unwilling to do anything to help.
if there is ppl that still think that what happen didnt do anything:
https://i.imgur.com/MWYLTgV.png
2200 more uploads on Eu
1500 less uploads on Na.
and there is a certain proxy that still working and shinra/tcc still working as well, but all of this will work only untill 16th october and then they will not work anymore.
TERA PC - General Discussion#312 Seraziel09/30/2018, 03:18 PM
FYI EME.... You have killed majority of the non-NA players who plays in high pings.
TERA PC - General Discussion#313 Lolitaa09/30/2018, 03:45 PM
> @MatrixOfLeaders said:
> So much rant.
>
> When you installed Tera on your PC, did you read in the TOS "no proxy"?
>
> OK THEN!
>
> YOU KNEW IT WAS AGAINST THE TOS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
>
> Quit complaining about it!! Proxy users had advantages over normal players.
>
> There is no sympathy for proxy users here because you darn well knew it was against the TOS when you installed TERA...

come to Asia and play Ma tera with high ping as repeat your comment to me again. bet you won't.

you're a [filtered] knob.
no one who has regular sp is at an "advantage". we are basically one step UNDER people with low ping. we can finally play the same. but we still have to dodge early. and we will STILL be disadvantaged in pvp. refer to my comment back on page 10/11 or somewhere close.

and this did NOTHING. people who know how to blatently cheat and exploit will still cheat and exploit. this has just disabled the game for people who used sp for innocent use.
knobs. knobs everywhere.
> @Bluehydra said:
> ...> @MatrixOfLeaders said:
> > So much rant.
> >
> > When you installed Tera on your PC, did you read in the TOS "no proxy"?
> >
> > OK THEN!
> >
> > YOU KNEW IT WAS AGAINST THE TOS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
> >
> > Quit complaining about it!! Proxy users had advantages over normal players.
> >
> > There is no sympathy for proxy users here because you darn well knew it was against the TOS when you installed TERA...
>
> Firstly, i get what you mean, but the ToS is not something that fell from the sky. It's something that was made and can be changed by the company who established it.
> People are requesting this change because the 3rd party software fixes tons of issues tera has has for a LONG time and has never fixed, plus it makes the game playable for people with high ping.
> Most of the people using it were doing it for ping reasons and to be able to get rid of Xingcode.
> I get that you may see these people as cheaters but they were just trying to play the game and not exploiting it, no matter how hard you quote the ToS.
>
> You say proxy players had such a huge advantage over normal players, but id like you to compare the gap between people with high ping and normal players, it's definitely wider. And people from other places than Chicago want to play.
> If eme had never had people outside of the US central area as a target, then it would have never come up.
> But they did specifically go after Latin players, a simple proof of this is they introduced local emp buying methods.
> If you're offering your product but can't offer it with the quality it should have, then you're just being dishonest with your commercial practice.
> Your lack of sympathy is misplaced, you see everyone as a cheater because they did what they could to make the game playable.
> For example ini file modifications are technically against the ToS as well, but most of the player base has them because it drastically improves performance, and no one sees it as a "bad" thing. People who use in modifications will definitely have an advantage over people playing at 12 fps, but it's not an exploit to try to get the game to work properly, and if tera had these as default, it wouldn't even be needed.
>
> EME is free to adjust their ToS if it were to give a better experience to it's players. But so far they have been unwilling to do anything to help.

-I never said proxy users had a "huge" advantage... You might want to re-read my post.

Did I say everybody is a "cheater?" NO. Re-read my post again bro.


The TOS states "NO PROXY".

When you play Tera with a proxy, YOU KNOW it is against the TOS!!!!

Accept it or find another game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#315 Berogi09/30/2018, 04:08 PM
snip.. oof

Enjoy relatively empty servers in the near future, only a proxy ban away!

TOS or not, it was keeping a lot of people in the game.

Accept it or spend 5 hours in queue for bgs, lows and mids :)
TERA PC - General Discussion#316 Bluehydra09/30/2018, 04:13 PM
> @MatrixOfLeaders said:
> > @Bluehydra said:
> > ...> @MatrixOfLeaders said:
> > > So much rant.
> > >
> > > When you installed Tera on your PC, did you read in the TOS "no proxy"?
> > >
> > > OK THEN!
> > >
> > > YOU KNEW IT WAS AGAINST THE TOS IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
> > >
> > > Quit complaining about it!! Proxy users had advantages over normal players.
> > >
> > > There is no sympathy for proxy users here because you darn well knew it was against the TOS when you installed TERA...
> >
> > Firstly, i get what you mean, but the ToS is not something that fell from the sky. It's something that was made and can be changed by the company who established it.
> > People are requesting this change because the 3rd party software fixes tons of issues tera has has for a LONG time and has never fixed, plus it makes the game playable for people with high ping.
> > Most of the people using it were doing it for ping reasons and to be able to get rid of Xingcode.
> > I get that you may see these people as cheaters but they were just trying to play the game and not exploiting it, no matter how hard you quote the ToS.
> >
> > You say proxy players had such a huge advantage over normal players, but id like you to compare the gap between people with high ping and normal players, it's definitely wider. And people from other places than Chicago want to play.
> > If eme had never had people outside of the US central area as a target, then it would have never come up.
> > But they did specifically go after Latin players, a simple proof of this is they introduced local emp buying methods.
> > If you're offering your product but can't offer it with the quality it should have, then you're just being dishonest with your commercial practice.
> > Your lack of sympathy is misplaced, you see everyone as a cheater because they did what they could to make the game playable.
> > For example ini file modifications are technically against the ToS as well, but most of the player base has them because it drastically improves performance, and no one sees it as a "bad" thing. People who use in modifications will definitely have an advantage over people playing at 12 fps, but it's not an exploit to try to get the game to work properly, and if tera had these as default, it wouldn't even be needed.
> >
> > EME is free to adjust their ToS if it were to give a better experience to it's players. But so far they have been unwilling to do anything to help.
>
> -I never said proxy users had a "huge" advantage... You might want to re-read my post.
>
> Did I say everybody is a "cheater?" NO. Re-read my post again bro.
>
>
> The TOS states "NO PROXY".
>
> When you play Tera with a proxy, YOU KNOW it is against the TOS!!!!
>
> Accept it or find another game.

You said "Proxy users had advantages over normal players" my point was that if it's that noticable, you should check the advantage normal players have compared to high ping players instead because it's much bigger.

And I didn't deny that it is against the ToS what I'm saying is that EME needs to either reevaluate their ToS or provide solutions, because their game isn't working correctly for their audience, which includes people outside of Chicago.

And yes, you did not mention the word cheater, but I was referring to the fact that you are using the ToS as if it was the only thing that mattered. I could have used the word "bad" "evil" or "ilegal" it doesn't change what I meant.

Now, on your "look for another game thing"...
You should read my post again, the game doesn't work properly, it's their responsibility to fix that.
The reason all of these 3rd party software appeared is because they neglected the state of the game for years.
It's their job to assure the quality and playability of the game to their clients, and Latin people with high ping are clients too. If not they wouldn't have added local emp buying methods.
Most people want a solution, not just a proxy.
If they had solved the issues themselves there would have never been a proxy to begin with.

Maybe realize that telling the people who have no other way to play end game content properly to "go play another game" instead of expecting the companies who develop and publish it to make sure the game is playable is kinda silly.

Im not angry at you or anything of the sort, but this IS a feedback post and Tera has a LOT that needs to be fixed.

Telling people to "go play other games",when they're clearly part of the intended target of the game and an active part of the community, will get us nowhere.
The Latino community, including the people of Central and South America (including me) are deeply saddened by this news. For us, playing with people with the best ping became impossible now. Enmasse forced us to reduce our performance in Dungeons Hard ... A pity, but I will NOT play more if my chances are very limited.

We know that the game does not consider us clients and perhaps that is why they do not care, but the union is strength and this decision will affect you sooner or later.

Thx Enmasse. See you, ups, I mean, we will not see each other anymore ;)
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We love you TERA players

Not for nothing, but you shouldn't really say that when this game is at its dying peak. It's very unprofessional seeing that word used so freely when a majority of the playerbase don't see it that way.

I just had to get that out of my system. I guess everything else you said sounds good from a business or corporation perspective, but that "love" part doesn't belong there. It just adds unnecessary fuel to the fire among the players who will lash at you and make memes out of it.

Hopefully that'll help you next time on another sticky post of continued bad news this game is planning to bring to whoever is left here. Just be strict and get to the point. Don't add personal feelings in there cause that never works on the internet with a bad reputation game. Now if the game is striving, adding personal touch is something I would enjoy seeing, but now's not the time for that.
TERA PC - General Discussion#319 Narukko09/30/2018, 05:27 PM
Thanks for destroying my game experience once and for all. Smashing the buttons to make sure my abilities actually go off feels good. Having to run on 0 on a really good computer is also nice. I would have kept my old piece of crap computer if I wanted all of this ^
Faulty Optimization.
Xingcode
Badly done update patch notes.
Lag issues.
No DPS meter.
Lack of knowledge on the game.

List goes on.
EME, you cant fault us for these issues. Is on you and the developer you represent.
Yes, community is somewhat toxic and entitled. Welcome to the Internet. You cant let that stops you from doing a good job, because IT IS your job.
You need to change, you need to take action, you need to communicate, you need to be on top of the issues. You need to be proactive and sincere with the player base. Because it is the player base time and money you want.

Will you do something about it? History says you wont. But you are asking for constructive criticism, here you go.
Why even bother to argue with trolls and white knights?

Now they can enjoy proxy and dps meter free game. Sadly it is also player free, but at this point nothing can be done anyway
TERA PC - General Discussion#322 favonius09/30/2018, 05:57 PM
This action will affect you EME as a publisher , thought this was for Tera other games publish by EME is at a risk ,the player base will think twice to try out a game publish by EME. I would ,spent time,effort and money on this game and a publisher who don't give damn about the community is teh one as player always run from. One of the worst move you have made.
TERA PC - General Discussion#323 kubitoid09/30/2018, 05:59 PM
monday morning
kubitoid wrote: »
monday morning

more like waiting for the ban hammer to fall lol.
I love queen btw
TERA PC - General Discussion#325 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 06:13 PM
You did this to yourselves Tera community, Not BHS, Not Enmasse, You the community did this to yourselves. Once upon a time a long,long time ago. This game was untainted. it started out fine in the beginning with a pay to play model which eventually became free to play. the only problem people had to worry about was macros. macros which slowly started to make their way into the game amonge the high ranked players. who began delving into the game trying to figure out ways to cheat it and exploit it how to cheat dungeon runs how to cheat team skying by getting it so the matching would would only be against certain teams who would get paid to draw/ forfeit it to get high ranks allowing people to get Night forge during the strike force patch paying others to get carried and get ranked for best armor and so on. not everyone did this but a handful of people did and slowly the game became less pure. only a extremely small and very small amount of people knew about this and did nothing or if they did enmasse probably didn't care enough do anything or had a few corrupt gms get paid off and things continued as normal! in the rifts edge patch 3rd party programmers became more apparent!

slowly but certain the use of proxies made its way into the game starting slowly from those who wanted to help people with bad ping to do a service for the community only then for it to then become corrupted by greed and slowly but surely those who wanted advantages over others through means of cheating began to do so. on a very very small scale which gradually got bigger as time went on soon evolving to the point where almost everyone now plays using proxy.. the road to hell was paved with good intention it was good intention that made started the first scripts for injectors but bad morals and corrupt human greed that changed it for the malevolent. because of those "3rd party programmers." with good intentions. we ended up having meme slash infect the game for a few months on end. because of the "good intentions." of third party programmers. we ended up having people with 22 ping abusing injector to cheat and break the game.

Those who say they needed proxy to play Tera? you could of quit you could of continued to play the game as it was and not tainted yourselves to use proxy and kept the game more pure that way. instead because of your selfishness you chose to ruin the game slowly with your kind infecting it like a disease and spreading it. because of you the game turned into this. you have only yourselves to blame. It's Enmasses fault for their servers being [filtered]. but it is your fault for deciding to use proxy and encourage the third party users to show up here to create and encourage more mods like this.
BlueKoR wrote: »
You did this to yourselves Tera community, Not BHS, Not Enmasse, You the community did this to yourselves. Once upon a time a long,long time ago. This game was untainted. it started out fine in the beginning with a pay to play model which eventually became free to play. the only problem people had to worry about was macros. macros which slowly started to make their way into the game amonge the high ranked players. who began delving into the game trying to figure out ways to cheat it and exploit it how to cheat dungeon runs how to cheat team skying by getting it so the matching would would only be against certain teams who would get paid to draw/ forfeit it to get high ranks allowing people to get Night forge during the strike force patch paying others to get carried and get ranked for best armor and so on. not everyone did this but a handful of people did and slowly the game became less pure. only a extremely small and very small amount of people knew about this and did nothing or if they did enmasse probably didn't care enough do anything or had a few corrupt gms get paid off and things continued as normal! in the rifts edge patch 3rd party programmers became more apparent!

slowly but certain the use of proxies made its way into the game starting slowly from those who wanted to help people with bad ping to do a service for the community only then for it to then become corrupted by greed and slowly but surely those who wanted advantages over others through means of cheating began to do so. on a very very small scale which gradually got bigger as time went on soon evolving to the point where almost everyone now plays using proxy.. the road to hell was paved with good intention it was good intention that made started the first scripts for injectors but bad morals and corrupt human greed that changed it for the malevolent. because of those "3rd party programmers." with good intentions. we ended up having meme slash infect the game for a few months on end. because of the "good intentions." of third party programmers. we ended up having people with 22 ping abusing injector to cheat and break the game.

Those who say they needed proxy to play Tera? you could of quit you could of continued to play the game as it was and not tainted yourselves to use proxy and kept the game more pure that way. instead because of your selfishness you chose to ruin the game slowly with your kind infecting it like a disease and spreading it. because of you the game turned into this. you have only yourselves to blame. It's Enmasses fault for their servers being [filtered]. but it is your fault for deciding to use proxy and encourage the third party users to show up here and create and encourage more mods like this.

finally someone said it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#327 TomRipley09/30/2018, 06:18 PM
Well, ever since you've made me quit the game due to the implementation of Xigncode, I still had that glimmer of hope that you would one day reverse course, as quite obviously Xigncode achieved absolutely nothing. I say nothing, while actually it apparently was one major factor that led to the server merge.

From what I've read, new harder endgame content definitely requires a low ping to have a proper damage output (timer on self healing bosses and whatnot), which for me (being from EU) and everyone with subpar ping seems to require a solution like proxy.

You market your game not only inside the US, but in several other countries as well. With your move to kill the only means to meet the required ping, you've effectively shut out any ambitious endgame player outside the US, and according to this thread many inside your country with higher ping as well. The only way this wouldn't horribly backfire would have been if you had simultaneously implemented an official alternative to proxy into the game itself.

Sorry to say, but only now looking into said alternative is already too little, too late.
And honestly, how often has your community heard you say "we're looking into it", "we'll forward this to BHS" and so on, and how often has this borne any results? Close to never. Why should it be any different this time?
BlueKoR wrote: »
You did this to yourselves Tera community, Not BHS, Not Enmasse, You the community did this to yourselves. Once upon a time a long,long time ago. This game was untainted. it started out fine in the beginning with a pay to play model which eventually became free to play. the only problem people had to worry about was macros. macros which slowly started to make their way into the game amonge the high ranked players. who began delving into the game trying to figure out ways to cheat it and exploit it how to cheat dungeon runs how to cheat team skying by getting it so the matching would would only be against certain teams who would get paid to draw/ forfeit it to get high ranks allowing people to get Night forge during the strike force patch paying others to get carried and get ranked for best armor and so on. not everyone did this but a handful of people did and slowly the game became less pure. only a extremely small and very small amount of people knew about this and did nothing or if they did enmasse probably didn't care enough do anything or had a few corrupt gms get paid off and things continued as normal! in the rifts edge patch 3rd party programmers became more apparent!

slowly but certain the use of proxies made its way into the game starting slowly from those who wanted to help people with bad ping to do a service for the community only then for it to then become corrupted by greed and slowly but surely those who wanted advantages over others through means of cheating began to do so. on a very very small scale which gradually got bigger as time went on soon evolving to the point where almost everyone now plays using proxy.. the road to hell was paved with good intention it was good intention that made started the first scripts for injectors but bad morals and corrupt human greed that changed it for the malevolent. because of those "3rd party programmers." with good intentions. we ended up having meme slash infect the game for a few months on end. because of the "good intentions." of third party programmers. we ended up having people with 22 ping abusing injector to cheat and break the game.

Those who say they needed proxy to play Tera? you could of quit you could of continued to play the game as it was and not tainted yourselves to use proxy and kept the game more pure that way. instead because of your selfishness you chose to ruin the game slowly with your kind infecting it like a disease and spreading it. because of you the game turned into this. you have only yourselves to blame. It's Enmasses fault for their servers being [filtered]. but it is your fault for deciding to use proxy and encourage the third party users to show up here and create and encourage more mods like this.


That's the most delusional thing I ever read in this forum today.
TERA PC - General Discussion#329 TJukuren09/30/2018, 06:27 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
You did this to yourselves Tera community, Not BHS, Not Enmasse, You the community did this to yourselves. Once upon a time a long,long time ago. This game was untainted. it started out fine in the beginning with a pay to play model which eventually became free to play. the only problem people had to worry about was macros. macros which slowly started to make their way into the game amonge the high ranked players. who began delving into the game trying to figure out ways to cheat it and exploit it how to cheat dungeon runs how to cheat team skying by getting it so the matching would would only be against certain teams who would get paid to draw/ forfeit it to get high ranks allowing people to get Night forge during the strike force patch paying others to get carried and get ranked for best armor and so on. not everyone did this but a handful of people did and slowly the game became less pure. only a extremely small and very small amount of people knew about this and did nothing or if they did enmasse probably didn't care enough do anything or had a few corrupt gms get paid off and things continued as normal! in the rifts edge patch 3rd party programmers became more apparent!

slowly but certain the use of proxies made its way into the game starting slowly from those who wanted to help people with bad ping to do a service for the community only then for it to then become corrupted by greed and slowly but surely those who wanted advantages over others through means of cheating began to do so. on a very very small scale which gradually got bigger as time went on soon evolving to the point where almost everyone now plays using proxy.. the road to hell was paved with good intention it was good intention that made started the first scripts for injectors but bad morals and corrupt human greed that changed it for the malevolent. because of those "3rd party programmers." with good intentions. we ended up having meme slash infect the game for a few months on end. because of the "good intentions." of third party programmers. we ended up having people with 22 ping abusing injector to cheat and break the game.

Those who say they needed proxy to play Tera? you could of quit you could of continued to play the game as it was and not tainted yourselves to use proxy and kept the game more pure that way. instead because of your selfishness you chose to ruin the game slowly with your kind infecting it like a disease and spreading it. because of you the game turned into this. you have only yourselves to blame. It's Enmasses fault for their servers being [filtered]. but it is your fault for deciding to use proxy and encourage the third party users to show up here to create and encourage more mods like this.

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It hurts knowing people are this stupid that they actually think proxy is the reason the game has been on the decline for the longest time and not BHS/EME themselves doing absolutely nothing about the game itself or the servers.
TERA PC - General Discussion#330 Tydarius09/30/2018, 07:01 PM
Dunno what delusional drug you, (I wanna say 50 or so people), who collectively decided to stomp your feet, take your ball and go home and play on EU are taking, but all weekend long I've noticed NO DROP in active players. None. Every single queue upto 65 thats always had active participants has had the same, (if not more), active participants as its always had.

So.../golf clap for your effort?

Too bad for you though, your continued attempts to try and persuade the majority of Tera NA players to join your insignificant minority of players crusade has failed, miserably.

So once again allow me to bid you all a fond farewall and...please be sure to not allow the door to hit your collective arses on the way out.

HAVE FUN IN EU while you hash out your little tantrums and finally decide to come back. ;)
TERA PC - General Discussion#331 ElinUsagi09/30/2018, 07:04 PM
Tydarius wrote: »
Dunno what delusional drug you, (I wanna say 50 or so people), who collectively decided to stomp your feet, take your ball and go home and play on EU are taking, but all weekend long I've noticed NO DROP in active players. None. Every single queue upto 65 thats always had active participants has had the same, (if not more), active participants as its always had.

So.../golf clap for your effort?

Too bad for you though, your continued attempts to try and persuade the majority of Tera NA players to join your insignificant minority of players crusade has failed, miserably.

So once again allow me to bid you all a fond farewall and...please be sure to not allow the door to hit your collective arses on the way out.

HAVE FUN IN EU while you hash out your little tantrums and finally decide to come back. ;)

They are not welcome in EU either

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GF stance is the same as EME and they will sooner or later enforce the same actions against cheaters. But obviously they will first drain them the few money they may spend in the game, because most of them dont spend on it anyway, and then Happy New year without cheetos.
TERA PC - General Discussion#332 TJukuren09/30/2018, 07:07 PM
Tydarius wrote: »
Dunno what delusional drug you, (I wanna say 50 or so people), who collectively decided to stomp your feet, take your ball and go home and play on EU are taking, but all weekend long I've noticed NO DROP in active players. None. Every single queue upto 65 thats always had active participants has had the same, (if not more), active participants as its always had.

So.../golf clap for your effort?

Too bad for you though, your continued attempts to try and persuade the majority of Tera NA players to join your insignificant minority of players crusade has failed, miserably.

So once again allow me to bid you all a fond farewall and...please be sure to not allow the door to hit your collective arses on the way out.

HAVE FUN IN EU while you hash out your little tantrums and finally decide to come back. ;)

You've noticed "No Drop" because proxy and meter currently still work for NA. That however is ending on the 16th when the new update comes. I'll love seeing you react to your own comment once you realize a large majority of the player-base will be gone from that day forward
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Tydarius wrote: »
Dunno what delusional drug you, (I wanna say 50 or so people), who collectively decided to stomp your feet, take your ball and go home and play on EU are taking, but all weekend long I've noticed NO DROP in active players. None. Every single queue upto 65 thats always had active participants has had the same, (if not more), active participants as its always had.

So.../golf clap for your effort?

Too bad for you though, your continued attempts to try and persuade the majority of Tera NA players to join your insignificant minority of players crusade has failed, miserably.

So once again allow me to bid you all a fond farewall and...please be sure to not allow the door to hit your collective arses on the way out.

HAVE FUN IN EU while you hash out your little tantrums and finally decide to come back. ;)

They are not welcome in EU either

D549qSf.png

GF stance is the same as EME and they will sooner or later enforce the same actions against cheaters. But obviously they will first drain them the few money they may spend in the game, because most of them dont spend on it anyway, and then Happy New year without cheetos.

no drop?
https://i.imgur.com/MWYLTgV.png
you see the same as me? or ur delusional?
2200 more uploads on eu
1500 less uploads on Na.
lol No drop you saying , and thats still when Shinra/proxy/tcc still working,when all this stuff will stop work(16th october) this game will be empty and die.
TERA PC - General Discussion#334 P2W09/30/2018, 07:15 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Tydarius wrote: »
Dunno what delusional drug you, (I wanna say 50 or so people), who collectively decided to stomp your feet, take your ball and go home and play on EU are taking, but all weekend long I've noticed NO DROP in active players. None. Every single queue upto 65 thats always had active participants has had the same, (if not more), active participants as its always had.

So.../golf clap for your effort?

Too bad for you though, your continued attempts to try and persuade the majority of Tera NA players to join your insignificant minority of players crusade has failed, miserably.

So once again allow me to bid you all a fond farewall and...please be sure to not allow the door to hit your collective arses on the way out.

HAVE FUN IN EU while you hash out your little tantrums and finally decide to come back. ;)

They are not welcome in EU either

D549qSf.png

GF stance is the same as EME and they will sooner or later enforce the same actions against cheaters. But obviously they will first drain them the few money they may spend in the game, because most of them dont spend on it anyway, and then Happy New year without cheetos.

3rd party apps like proxy and dps meters are never officially allowed in any region ( except the the dps meter in eu). You will be banned if you use these tools to exploit the game or harass other players. That's fine. But to dmca the devs and [filtered] off a large portion of the playerbase? I'm sure gameforge is very happy with all these new players that are going to eu. EME really screwed up this time.

I'd say fire whoever made the stupid decision to dmca the devs and fire the clueless KTC too.
BlueKoR wrote: »
Snip
Exactly, +1
Problem now is, people are blind with hate and saying anything else is pure evil and ofc purged with fire ...
TERA PC - General Discussion#336 Luniack09/30/2018, 07:29 PM
Care about proxy and not about gold sellers who keeps spam annoyed in area chat gEh9zd4.png
TERA PC - General Discussion#337 Bluehydra09/30/2018, 07:31 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
You did this to yourselves Tera community, Not BHS, Not Enmasse, You the community did this to yourselves. Once upon a time a long,long time ago. This game was untainted. it started out fine in the beginning with a pay to play model which eventually became free to play. the only problem people had to worry about was macros. macros which slowly started to make their way into the game amonge the high ranked players. who began delving into the game trying to figure out ways to cheat it and exploit it how to cheat dungeon runs how to cheat team skying by getting it so the matching would would only be against certain teams who would get paid to draw/ forfeit it to get high ranks allowing people to get Night forge during the strike force patch paying others to get carried and get ranked for best armor and so on. not everyone did this but a handful of people did and slowly the game became less pure. only a extremely small and very small amount of people knew about this and did nothing or if they did enmasse probably didn't care enough do anything or had a few corrupt gms get paid off and things continued as normal! in the rifts edge patch 3rd party programmers became more apparent!

slowly but certain the use of proxies made its way into the game starting slowly from those who wanted to help people with bad ping to do a service for the community only then for it to then become corrupted by greed and slowly but surely those who wanted advantages over others through means of cheating began to do so. on a very very small scale which gradually got bigger as time went on soon evolving to the point where almost everyone now plays using proxy.. the road to hell was paved with good intention it was good intention that made started the first scripts for injectors but bad morals and corrupt human greed that changed it for the malevolent. because of those "3rd party programmers." with good intentions. we ended up having meme slash infect the game for a few months on end. because of the "good intentions." of third party programmers. we ended up having people with 22 ping abusing injector to cheat and break the game.

Those who say they needed proxy to play Tera? you could of quit you could of continued to play the game as it was and not tainted yourselves to use proxy and kept the game more pure that way. instead because of your selfishness you chose to ruin the game slowly with your kind infecting it like a disease and spreading it. because of you the game turned into this. you have only yourselves to blame. It's Enmasses fault for their servers being [filtered]. but it is your fault for deciding to use proxy and encourage the third party users to show up here to create and encourage more mods like this.

I disagree.
1. Macros don play the game for you, if you have macros for your combo with your warriors scythe chain but you dont dodge in time, you still die. Not to mention the game offers custom spacebar macros where you just spam spacebar and things get done.
2. People trying to get matched against certain teams didnt need a cheat, just some luck, and BHS did nothing to prevent it. Keeping this from happening was their job. Whats more, a lot of people knew this, and there were videos where people attempted to get matched against each other (for fun) and succeeded so i dont get how you think it was something few people knew.
3. People getting carried in games is absolutely commonplace, if Tera did not want this there were a lot of different things that could have been done to solve it.
4. The game during Manaya's time did not have as many dps/time races or "surprise" mechanics (like the pizzas in SS and BR which arent the same every time) therefore you could play and bear the bad ping. Tera's combat is currently much more fast paced and these mechanics that arent always the same require a response time that is faster than your ping delay, making it impossible to "pre dodge" taking your ping delay into account since you cant predict them. Dps and time races also cause your damage input to be much much more important than what it was, therefore people will high ping would inevitably be a burden, since due to ping they cant execute their combos properly. These, and issues like rubber banding, lag and other performance issues were what pushed towards the need to help those with bad ping.
5. Exploiters existed way before proxy, and will keep existing despite proxy not existing. Most of the people who used proxy were trying to fix existing issues within the game. The exploiters were actively fought against in the proxy discord servers. Do not villify others if you haven't seen things for yourself.
6. Memeslash was independent of proxy and was created with malicious intent, and as other exploits, would have existed even if proxy hadn't.
7. The benefit 22ms people get from using proxy is negligible.
8. "if you need proxy, quit" this is a really bad argument, BHS/EME should be taking care of making the game playable instead of players having to resort to 3rd party soft, but, they arnt, so how else are you supposed to run end game content? Do you realize that this means that all of the people outside the 100ms ping range should quit? and that EME promoted the game outside of this range, effectively making clients in areas where you would never have under 200 ms? if this game was not meant to be played outside the US then an ip block should have existed from the very start, otherwise they have the duty to make the game playable to everyone, which sadly hasnt been the case.

Final thoughts: you call the people who were just trying to play with decent ping selfish, you compare them/their actions to a disease. Ill take your metaphor and show you how you your perspective is skewed. The game was always "sick" filled with bugs and things that needed fixing. It was only through 3rd party apps that these people were able to experience "pure" tera as you call it.
You call them selfish, but arent you being the selfish one if you dont want others to be able to play decently, simply because you can?
These people worked as hard for their characters and gear as you did, dont villify them because you dont understand how unplayable the game has become without fixes.
MMOs exist when their community is alive, keeping that livelihood is really important, and its not something that happens when the devs/publisher decide to ignore serious issues like these for so long.
You are right tho, without proxy or solutions to these issues, these people will quit, and its just players who want to play that are being hit by this. Exploiters will remain unaffected.
> @Luniack said:
> Care about proxy and not about gold sellers who keeps spam annoyed in area chat

Is the same guy that every day hide and elin behind a bush in velika pegasus plataform ,guess the guy have been doing the same for months.
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/lvj7E0Za10lEfAj49DrlxBaUa_l40PWLzAkTmrcyVLk/https/cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/416292192877936641/495955491802054656/Moon.png



RIP TERA NA?
TERA PC - General Discussion#340 sanj6609/30/2018, 07:38 PM
Gatokatzen wrote: »
There is something positive and negative.

The positive, the main guild that rule Kaitor server. In CU
Were defeated for first time in long time, since this notice. They always won.

The negative queque times increased even more. Now getting a party for a 431 or 412 is 3 x time.

So technically player progression were nerfed by 90%. A new player will be lucky if reach frosmetal +0 in 4 months

lol yea took what 3-4 guilds with more players online individually and what did you achieve? nothing they gave 1st place to who they felt like and you didnt come first either.
TERA PC - General Discussion#341 Ryusama09/30/2018, 07:39 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
You did this to yourselves Tera community, Not BHS, Not Enmasse, You the community did this to yourselves. Once upon a time a long,long time ago. This game was untainted.

And unoptimized, and with a lot of issues that still persist to this day and that proxy managed to somewhat fix because mEME didnt forward any of these problems to daddy BHS so they could fix them in the last 6 years.

They will only contact them ASAP and bring fixes when it's a serious gamebreaking threat, like the Chat exploit where you could send images and links with malware and etc.

Yeah, proxy and all that [filtered] might be against their ToS, so it's illegal. But the proxy devs made what mEME and BHS couldnt in 6 years: give QoL to the vast majority of players.

Just think how embarrasing is that a couple of rogue programmers living on chips and mountain dew achieved for free in comparison with a team of "professionals" getting paid to warm their chair and supposedly provide the player with the best gameplay experience.

This is incompetence at its finest and supporting incompetence will only cause more troubles to everyone.
TERA PC - General Discussion#342 sanj6609/30/2018, 07:44 PM
sid79s wrote: »
FODOKCH wrote: »
sid79s wrote: »
that the minority of the players were cheats, please since 2017 the statistics changed a lot, currently the majority used the proxy to tramapically 80% of the proxy players abused the pergrams and those that were really helped were minority,

I repeat again my previous comment you want to blame someone, blame you cheat friend blame yourself for not reporting to cheats, by God in FWC most of the top players in the rank were cheaters who did not use the proxy to aid in the ping if not to cheat, they made impossible combos because they broke the game rules of the class they had with practically infinite combos if they wanted, petrax in 3 seconds please that's just cheating and I do not use proxy to level your ping if not to break the rules, as I said the community abuse of the proxy to break rules not to help the statistics change and they became majority and when that happens the radical measures are applied, blame your friend who took advantage of the game

@sid79s u r wrong bro, u cant do the right rotation with warrior with 200ms+, of course the TOP pvp players uses proxy, even who lives in chicago has high ping, to fix it the people are using proxy because it is the solution, lag spikes like a hell in tera, so i wont blame my cheat friend because that enmasse already has banned them. I challenge you to play tera with 200ms+

you should read the comment again I'm not talking about the people who use the proxy to improve their ping, I'm talking about the people who use the proxy to take advantage of the game, if nobody realized that EME is not removing the proxies by the people who only want to improve their ping, EME removing it by the people who use them to cheat, how many people you know cheats and breaks the rules and instead of reporting the contrary they want to do the same, the game has more than 5 years and believe that eme I did not know about the proxys, of course they knew and everything was fine until people started abusing and cheating, as I said now the statistics changed saying that cheats are minority when today was the opposite there were more cheaters honest people, I play tera without proxies or scripts or anything and give battle to those proxies and I am Latin I do not have a low ping, just see some comments above where a person is complaining because he has a ping of 17ms Because you do not have the proxy anymore, you think that person needs a proxy, obviously he does not use it to improve his ping.

the cheaters are always here and in 2 or 3 days they will find another way to cheat but if people do not report, why do people cry and complain with EME when the people who cheat are the cause of all this?

they are removing them, wtf are you smoking lol, but guess what is remaining, all the hacks and cheats, so they are saying if you try to fix the game to make it playable its wrong, but its ok to cheat since NONE of what we are doing will affect people who are actually cheating, also fyi 17 ms is still not optimal to play the game or how it was meant to be played in case you did not know. also these proxy devs actually fixed methods of cheating that the company never even bothered to attempt or acknowledge and have improved on qol tools that players have been asking the company to do for years, do you really think eme is going to do anything to help its players now? also yea go ahead and shaft latin american players but hey add more methods for them to top up emp, eme at this point is a joke, look at their staff and actions lately, for tera to even have any sembelance of surviving a relaunch with a new publisher would be best or fire this entire team and hire one that knows what they are doing as these guys clearly do not.
TERA PC - General Discussion#343 sanj6609/30/2018, 07:48 PM
Fezoh wrote: »
Bimber wrote: »
“We love you TERA players and we understand that you’re upset about this.”

To be brutally honest, no. no you guys don’t. We have been voicing our thoughts for over two years now and still no change. You’ll continue to do what you’re doing until the game is dead. You brought this on yourselves, you dug your grave and now you must lay in it. If you want your game to change, listen to the community. It’s something you have failed to do countless times.
You want to know why people use proxy? It’s because without it, your game is UNPLAYABLE. Everyone is leaving, and the few people you have will get fed up with it sooner or later. Literally, read through EVERY comment people are posting on this forum. You might actually learn something and make a comeback.

actually the game was entirely more alive back when proxy didnt exist, wonder how that works?

it was a new game back then, then when people started min maxing looking at optimal situations and found out about actual dps output things changed, there are more factors than what you are infering at and making a false claim that without proxy the game would be more populated.
TERA PC - General Discussion#344 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 07:49 PM
1. Macros eliminate the human mistakes when casting canceling and doing skills also makes them faster more accurate and in general was stated in terms of service as cheating and not to be used. in a tab target game macros are fine but in a action combat game where things come down to pure prediction skill and how fast you react this is basically cheating.
2.People trying to get matched against certain teams did not take luck people would pay to get Carried through skying by certain players to get above 1800 to get their gloves for night forge and so on sure there were those who did this to compete but there were a good amount of people who did this to make profit and achieve high ranks without working for them.
3. bad ping or not doesn't in excuse cheating and despite those "good intentions" of those who made the scripts to help those with bad ping get lower ping it lead way for more exploits and 3rd party programmers to start selling their services for money which also lead to helping pave the way for other exploits.
4. don't see how that excuses exploiting the game so you may play it.
5. exploiters have always existed but it was the community who let them keep going about doing their things and also it was the community who then started using the exploits of those exploiters for their own personal gain.
6. memeslash started because a third party programmer working with other third party programmers who were exploiting the games programming ending with it getting stolen and causing havoc for the whole community. and the intention here wasn't even necessarily good it was done by Bern who profited off proxy so whatever his intention was? very questionable.
7. 22 ping proxy does allow for alot of bs you now have 22 ping but the ability to do what proxy users appearing in different places areas allowing different combos not normally seen in game also speeding up animation speed etc.
8. bad argument or not its the truth a lot of the people who play Tera NA aren't even from the NA which is why they have bad ping they could play on the other servers but decided not to. and as for the other part it should be on Enmasse but they are not realistically ever going to bring other server hubs and area's to other places int he world because its a lot of money and that will never happen. so its a thing people must deal with and always have to deal with.
TERA PC - General Discussion#345 sanj6609/30/2018, 08:05 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
You did this to yourselves Tera community, Not BHS, Not Enmasse, You the community did this to yourselves. Once upon a time a long,long time ago. This game was untainted. it started out fine in the beginning with a pay to play model which eventually became free to play. the only problem people had to worry about was macros. macros which slowly started to make their way into the game amonge the high ranked players. who began delving into the game trying to figure out ways to cheat it and exploit it how to cheat dungeon runs how to cheat team skying by getting it so the matching would would only be against certain teams who would get paid to draw/ forfeit it to get high ranks allowing people to get Night forge during the strike force patch paying others to get carried and get ranked for best armor and so on. not everyone did this but a handful of people did and slowly the game became less pure. only a extremely small and very small amount of people knew about this and did nothing or if they did enmasse probably didn't care enough do anything or had a few corrupt gms get paid off and things continued as normal! in the rifts edge patch 3rd party programmers became more apparent!

slowly but certain the use of proxies made its way into the game starting slowly from those who wanted to help people with bad ping to do a service for the community only then for it to then become corrupted by greed and slowly but surely those who wanted advantages over others through means of cheating began to do so. on a very very small scale which gradually got bigger as time went on soon evolving to the point where almost everyone now plays using proxy.. the road to hell was paved with good intention it was good intention that made started the first scripts for injectors but bad morals and corrupt human greed that changed it for the malevolent. because of those "3rd party programmers." with good intentions. we ended up having meme slash infect the game for a few months on end. because of the "good intentions." of third party programmers. we ended up having people with 22 ping abusing injector to cheat and break the game.

Those who say they needed proxy to play Tera? you could of quit you could of continued to play the game as it was and not tainted yourselves to use proxy and kept the game more pure that way. instead because of your selfishness you chose to ruin the game slowly with your kind infecting it like a disease and spreading it. because of you the game turned into this. you have only yourselves to blame. It's Enmasses fault for their servers being [filtered]. but it is your fault for deciding to use proxy and encourage the third party users to show up here to create and encourage more mods like this.

nice meme, this aint church or literature class though, i think you got the wrong place.
TERA PC - General Discussion#346 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 08:08 PM
also lets be honest none of you are going to quit. people say that all the time but never fall through tera will be fine unless people actually "okay enough of this [filtered] I'm actually done." talking is easy doing it is a lot harder XD. and also in honesty yeah its Enmasses fault for not updating their servers etc. But its as much their fault as it is as being the victim of a robbery. sure you shouldn't have been walking around downtime or a bad area at midnight walking around with your huge money bag full of money wearing the richest clothes and fanciest monocles you could find with a giant dollar sign over your head. you should definitely practice common sense of "okay this is a bad idea someone will probably rob me!" but ultimately its the the person who decides to rob that person who is in the wrong. sure its enmasses fault for not having funds and upgrading or being to lazy and incompetent to upgrade their stuff and fix things. buts the communities fault or rather those who would exploit and take advantage of these situations to profit and gain who inevitably ruined it for everyone else :P
TERA PC - General Discussion#347 sanj6609/30/2018, 08:08 PM
Tydarius wrote: »
Dunno what delusional drug you, (I wanna say 50 or so people), who collectively decided to stomp your feet, take your ball and go home and play on EU are taking, but all weekend long I've noticed NO DROP in active players. None. Every single queue upto 65 thats always had active participants has had the same, (if not more), active participants as its always had.

So.../golf clap for your effort?

Too bad for you though, your continued attempts to try and persuade the majority of Tera NA players to join your insignificant minority of players crusade has failed, miserably.

So once again allow me to bid you all a fond farewall and...please be sure to not allow the door to hit your collective arses on the way out.

HAVE FUN IN EU while you hash out your little tantrums and finally decide to come back. ;)

how many aahm/hh etc actual endgame dungeons did you do or get into? that is if you have even done those to begin with.
TERA PC - General Discussion#348 Naru200809/30/2018, 08:12 PM
So from what I understand, the DMCA only was valid for 3rd party apps and mods that violate the terms of service, like Proxy.
So any other 3rd party program would still be valid, especially those they've endorsed and recommended before, like PingZapper. They've constantly recommended it, and so have I, so I'd assume this hasn't changed. It basically does what proxy did; Routes your packets a more direct, reliable way to the server and back, but it doesn't go so far as to predict your skills like Proxy did (from how I understand it worked). It likely won't completely get rid of high ping, but it'll bring it should bring it down tremendously. There's a 7-day free-trial (iirc), and then the lowest tier is 30 days for $4 USD. (It's a pay as you go, not a subscription-base service.)

I don't know how viable of an option this would be for foreign players, but I implore anyone/everyone to at least try the free-trial and see if it makes a close-enough difference similar to proxy, or if there's nothing left for now.
TERA PC - General Discussion#349 Tydarius09/30/2018, 08:13 PM
sanj66 wrote: »
Tydarius wrote: »
Dunno what delusional drug you, (I wanna say 50 or so people), who collectively decided to stomp your feet, take your ball and go home and play on EU are taking, but all weekend long I've noticed NO DROP in active players. None. Every single queue upto 65 thats always had active participants has had the same, (if not more), active participants as its always had.

So.../golf clap for your effort?

Too bad for you though, your continued attempts to try and persuade the majority of Tera NA players to join your insignificant minority of players crusade has failed, miserably.

So once again allow me to bid you all a fond farewall and...please be sure to not allow the door to hit your collective arses on the way out.

HAVE FUN IN EU while you hash out your little tantrums and finally decide to come back. ;)

how many aahm/hh etc actual endgame dungeons did you do or get into? that is if you have even done those to begin with.

Learn to read...nothings changed. YOU ARENT IMPORTANT.

Bye bye pleb.
TERA PC - General Discussion#350 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 08:15 PM
Fun fact,there is no difference between someone who injects to get a advantage and those who inject to compensate for a ping issue. you're both cheating to gain something in someway shape or form. You're both exploiting the same game that you both signed the terms of agreement to when you started playing the game!
TERA PC - General Discussion#351 Tydarius09/30/2018, 08:15 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Tydarius wrote: »
Dunno what delusional drug you, (I wanna say 50 or so people), who collectively decided to stomp your feet, take your ball and go home and play on EU are taking, but all weekend long I've noticed NO DROP in active players. None. Every single queue upto 65 thats always had active participants has had the same, (if not more), active participants as its always had.

So.../golf clap for your effort?

Too bad for you though, your continued attempts to try and persuade the majority of Tera NA players to join your insignificant minority of players crusade has failed, miserably.

So once again allow me to bid you all a fond farewall and...please be sure to not allow the door to hit your collective arses on the way out.

HAVE FUN IN EU while you hash out your little tantrums and finally decide to come back. ;)

They are not welcome in EU either

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GF stance is the same as EME and they will sooner or later enforce the same actions against cheaters. But obviously they will first drain them the few money they may spend in the game, because most of them dont spend on it anyway, and then Happy New year without cheetos.

LOL so sad for them. Oh well, cheaters never win. Not ultimately anyways.
TERA PC - General Discussion#352 Tydarius09/30/2018, 08:18 PM
TJukuren wrote: »
Tydarius wrote: »
Dunno what delusional drug you, (I wanna say 50 or so people), who collectively decided to stomp your feet, take your ball and go home and play on EU are taking, but all weekend long I've noticed NO DROP in active players. None. Every single queue upto 65 thats always had active participants has had the same, (if not more), active participants as its always had.

So.../golf clap for your effort?

Too bad for you though, your continued attempts to try and persuade the majority of Tera NA players to join your insignificant minority of players crusade has failed, miserably.

So once again allow me to bid you all a fond farewall and...please be sure to not allow the door to hit your collective arses on the way out.

HAVE FUN IN EU while you hash out your little tantrums and finally decide to come back. ;)

You've noticed "No Drop" because proxy and meter currently still work for NA. That however is ending on the 16th when the new update comes. I'll love seeing you react to your own comment once you realize a large majority of the player-base will be gone from that day forward

NO DROP. Feel free to leave at any time. I mean, shoudnt you be busy playing on EU instead of wasting your time posting here?

Why U posting on a "ded" forum of a "ded" game brah?

Oh right..you want the attention.

Like I said...petulant...children.
TERA PC - General Discussion#353 sanj6609/30/2018, 08:18 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
1. Macros eliminate the human mistakes when casting canceling and doing skills also makes them faster more accurate and in general was stated in terms of service as cheating and not to be used. in a tab target game macros are fine but in a action combat game where things come down to pure prediction skill and how fast you react this is basically cheating.
2.People trying to get matched against certain teams did not take luck people would pay to get Carried through skying by certain players to get above 1800 to get their gloves for night forge and so on sure there were those who did this to compete but there were a good amount of people who did this to make profit and achieve high ranks without working for them.
3. bad ping or not doesn't in excuse cheating and despite those "good intentions" of those who made the scripts to help those with bad ping get lower ping it lead way for more exploits and 3rd party programmers to start selling their services for money which also lead to helping pave the way for other exploits.
4. don't see how that excuses exploiting the game so you may play it.
5. exploiters have always existed but it was the community who let them keep going about doing their things and also it was the community who then started using the exploits of those exploiters for their own personal gain.
6. memeslash started because a third party programmer working with other third party programmers who were exploiting the games programming ending with it getting stolen and causing havoc for the whole community. and the intention here wasn't even necessarily good it was done by Bern who profited off proxy so whatever his intention was? very questionable.
7. 22 ping proxy does allow for alot of bs you now have 22 ping but the ability to do what proxy users appearing in different places areas allowing different combos not normally seen in game also speeding up animation speed etc.
8. bad argument or not its the truth a lot of the people who play Tera NA aren't even from the NA which is why they have bad ping they could play on the other servers but decided not to. and as for the other part it should be on Enmasse but they are not realistically ever going to bring other server hubs and area's to other places int he world because its a lot of money and that will never happen. so its a thing people must deal with and always have to deal with.

so if my mouse has software i am not allowed to use it or my keyboard software? then shouldnt having specific types of mouses with extra buttons be unfair as well? are you even reading and comprehending what you're writing? sync queuing is luck, there is no guarantee who you will actually meet after matching is completed. then what about people who use wtfast? its also a 3rd party software that helps latency, everything else below this is utter trash spewed by someone uninformed, alot of "bs things" can be done without proxy , if its meant for NA region lock it and also they added south american payment methods, so you want their money but you know f you about playing the game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#354 sanj6609/30/2018, 08:20 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
also lets be honest none of you are going to quit. people say that all the time but never fall through tera will be fine unless people actually "okay enough of this [filtered] I'm actually done." talking is easy doing it is a lot harder XD. and also in honesty yeah its Enmasses fault for not updating their servers etc. But its as much their fault as it is as being the victim of a robbery. sure you shouldn't have been walking around downtime or a bad area at midnight walking around with your huge money bag full of money wearing the richest clothes and fanciest monocles you could find with a giant dollar sign over your head. you should definitely practice common sense of "okay this is a bad idea someone will probably rob me!" but ultimately its the the person who decides to rob that person who is in the wrong. sure its enmasses fault for not having funds and upgrading or being to lazy and incompetent to upgrade their stuff and fix things. buts the communities fault or rather those who would exploit and take advantage of these situations to profit and gain who inevitably ruined it for everyone else :P

at this point you are purely delusional.
TERA PC - General Discussion#355 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 08:23 PM
technically the games free to play. you didn't have to pay anything for it the company paid your fee for you so you can log in your account and characters and everything on it is there property! you signed the terms of agreement agreeing to this. so ya can't win. sure you can argue that since the game is technically busted that by injecting you're trying to fix and make the issue less of a issue but in the end your still breaking the rules breaking the agreement and breaking the deal you agreed to thus allowing the company the company whose contract you signed and said "I promise to be a good upstanding citizen with my time within Tera if im not i understand i can have my accounts rights revoked!!" which they can do whatever they wish with your account.
TERA PC - General Discussion#356 Shinku8909/30/2018, 08:50 PM
For all those who are against 3rd party tools, Remember:
The only reason you guys are so OP is BECAUSE of the dps meter, which is considered as a 3rd party tool.
Without it, there wouldn't be class guides to maximize your performance in any way, nor you would be able to see if you're getting any better.

So stop being hypocrites.
TERA PC - General Discussion#357 Bluehydra09/30/2018, 08:54 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
1. Macros eliminate the human mistakes when casting canceling and doing skills also makes them faster more accurate and in general was stated in terms of service as cheating and not to be used. in a tab target game macros are fine but in a action combat game where things come down to pure prediction skill and how fast you react this is basically cheating.
2.People trying to get matched against certain teams did not take luck people would pay to get Carried through skying by certain players to get above 1800 to get their gloves for night forge and so on sure there were those who did this to compete but there were a good amount of people who did this to make profit and achieve high ranks without working for them.
3. bad ping or not doesn't in excuse cheating and despite those "good intentions" of those who made the scripts to help those with bad ping get lower ping it lead way for more exploits and 3rd party programmers to start selling their services for money which also lead to helping pave the way for other exploits.
4. don't see how that excuses exploiting the game so you may play it.
5. exploiters have always existed but it was the community who let them keep going about doing their things and also it was the community who then started using the exploits of those exploiters for their own personal gain.
6. memeslash started because a third party programmer working with other third party programmers who were exploiting the games programming ending with it getting stolen and causing havoc for the whole community. and the intention here wasn't even necessarily good it was done by Bern who profited off proxy so whatever his intention was? very questionable.
7. 22 ping proxy does allow for alot of bs you now have 22 ping but the ability to do what proxy users appearing in different places areas allowing different combos not normally seen in game also speeding up animation speed etc.
8. bad argument or not its the truth a lot of the people who play Tera NA aren't even from the NA which is why they have bad ping they could play on the other servers but decided not to. and as for the other part it should be on Enmasse but they are not realistically ever going to bring other server hubs and area's to other places int he world because its a lot of money and that will never happen. so its a thing people must deal with and always have to deal with.

1. when you cant do any of that because your ping is higher than the time it takes to block cancel something, then you're not deleting human error, you're using a tool to be able to do basic things your class is supposed to be doing. Also macros are used to bind skills to keys that tera doesnt consider by default, like other mouse buttons, etc.
2. Sometimes the matching wouldn't work, thats why i said "a little luck", in anycase it was solvable from EME's side but they did nothing to prevent this, they did nothing. In any case my point was that 3rd party stuff wasnt needed to break the game.
3.Just like the people cheating their way through the ranks in skyring, people will malicious intent will exploit anything they find, they didnt need proxy to exploit the game before and they wont need it to keep exploiting it. Using proxy to have low ping so you can dodge pizzas is not exploiting, it is, however, against the ToS.
4.Exploiting is abusing the game, skill prediction does not abuse the game, it just allows you to play it decently.
5.Most of the community just resorted to 3rd party apps because the game was unbearable without them, it wasnt the community who let exploiters keep going, the community has never had any say in the actions of malicious individuals. The only part where there was support from the community was those who bought scripts from malicious devs, and they knew exactly what they were doing. So you cant really pile them together with those who just used proxy to be able to play.
6. i repeat "people will malicious intent will exploit anything they find, they didnt need proxy to exploit the game before and they wont need it to keep exploiting it"
7. This doesnt make them inhumanly good at the game, they just perform as if they had 22 ping, now if this had been implemented by the BHS, it could have been properly balanced so random descyncs did not happen, but it had to be made from a 3rd party because the devs never even tried to solve this issue. It doesnt magically speed up animations, it just does everything as if you had low ping. I agree that a universal application would be more stable and prevent issues, specially in pvp (or even leave it disabled in pvp). But we dont have that, do we. A lot of games do have it, and for such a ping dependant game, it should be standard, at least if its planned to be sold outside the US.
8. Exactly, most of the foreigners playing tera NA dont have servers in their area, but they still are clients. Its not like latin people are using VPN's to skip by an ip block, the game was actually promoted and sold in latin america too. They even implemented specific local buying methods for EMP. That shows very clearly that latin people are considered clients, and part of the target demographic, and therefore the publisher should try to provide a decent game for them as well, which of course, it hasnt. Youre right that its a lot of money to bring servers to other countries and im not asking for an old game to randomly open more servers, but theyre also getting a lot of money from latin players, so the least they can do is try to work so the experience is as smooth as possible.
TERA PC - General Discussion#358 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 08:56 PM
he world because its a lot of money and that will never happen. so its a thing people must deal with and always have to deal with.[/quote]

so if my mouse has software i am not allowed to use it or my keyboard software? then shouldn't having specific types of mouses with extra buttons be unfair as well? are you even reading and comprehending what you're writing? sync queuing is luck, there is no guarantee who you will actually meet after matching is completed. then what about people who use wtfast? its also a 3rd party software that helps latency, everything else below this is utter trash spewed by someone uninformed, alot of "bs things" can be done without proxy , if its meant for NA region lock it and also they added south american payment methods, so you want their money but you know f you about playing the game.[/quote]

..you agreed to the terms of service right? Right! so If I had written something like that written down inside the terms of services such as "no third party software uses,keys or things outside of what a basic mouse offers." which would be worded much more differently and sound much more complex and you break that rule you will get punished for it. Let me give you a example lets take a game Oldschool runescape a game that is literally based off of right click and left clicking then toggling other things through f1-f6 and moving the camera with your arrow keys. In osrs you are not allowed to remap keys to anything different from what you're given. if i go into the game files and i rewrite the keys in any way shape or form such as "i really think the arrow keys are annoying to move my camera with ill remap my keys to wasd instead!" or "it takes forever to equip and reswap armor sets by having to move the mouse key to pick up and swap to my other armor set ups ill remap those to 1 key and make that one key do the work for me instead!" you will get banned. the mods do not care how long you have had the account for they don't care how long you've played they do not care whether you care and think its unfair or not.you agreed to play the game the way they said they wanted you to play and by breaking those rules you have subjected yourself to be punished. if you don't like that you're free to say no and not play the game but you agreed to them so you have to uphold them.
Option A) Why dont ask some professional network developer, as Enmasse Inc. to develop an script for your game Tera NA
That allow owned proxy routes for pvers.
And provoke an inmediatly ban if are used in pvp features.

Guess people will be happy. You can stop pvp script abuser and let pve community spending money on your game. as a bussiness think for a while. Your money comes from pve players. Get rid off them isnt a good idea.

Option b)

Another good idea, that could stop this dusscusion, maybe will be dugens buffs, that nerf bosses damage and increase damage , only avalaible for those that hit more than 150 Ims.
TERA PC - General Discussion#360 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 08:58 PM
Shinku you could easily tell if you're doing anything damage wise by looking at your combat log or idk watching how fast the bosses hps go down and whether or not you can make it past certain boss phases you could also figure out how to improve by Mathing out every stat figuring out how it works etc. there is no need for a dps counter. it certainly makes life a lot and is definitely a huge quality of life change. but it is in no means necessary. and lets be honest no one wants to spend that time calculating figuring out estimating guessing etc. but thats one way you could honestly tell if you were doing "good" without a dps counter like moongourd. xd
TERA PC - General Discussion#361 Ranran09/30/2018, 09:00 PM
Remove Xigncode and i'll continue playing after the 16th. Xigncode literally does nothing positive it does not prevent any existing third party tools and cant even prevent people from using simple texture/ini mods to the game files like it claims to do.

DPS meter is a pretty significant loss and is a built in feature in many other MMOs but tons of people played this game without meters while it was in its prime during VM1/MCHM days. I'm not going to talk about whether using third party tools is morally right or not. Personally i think they aren't but as long as their usefulness is limited mostly to PVE and PVP use of them isn't common i could care less if people want 0 ping rapid fire.

Please PLEASE remove Xingcode though. It wont prevent everyone from leaving but a decent amount of people plan to leave simply because they are no longer able to keep this garbage from running on their machines. It's implementation has not accomplished anything other than ruining people's performance and occasionally causing crashes because they dared to have fraps open or something.
TERA PC - General Discussion#362 sanj6609/30/2018, 09:05 PM
Tydarius wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
Tydarius wrote: »
Dunno what delusional drug you, (I wanna say 50 or so people), who collectively decided to stomp your feet, take your ball and go home and play on EU are taking, but all weekend long I've noticed NO DROP in active players. None. Every single queue upto 65 thats always had active participants has had the same, (if not more), active participants as its always had.

So.../golf clap for your effort?

Too bad for you though, your continued attempts to try and persuade the majority of Tera NA players to join your insignificant minority of players crusade has failed, miserably.

So once again allow me to bid you all a fond farewall and...please be sure to not allow the door to hit your collective arses on the way out.

HAVE FUN IN EU while you hash out your little tantrums and finally decide to come back. ;)

how many aahm/hh etc actual endgame dungeons did you do or get into? that is if you have even done those to begin with.

Learn to read...nothings changed. YOU ARENT IMPORTANT.

Bye bye pleb.

do you even know what you're talking about lol ,the actual game starts beyond getting to 65, so again how many endgame dungeons have you done? and yea i'm a pleb that has done every single hm etc since playing what 5 years ago on multiple classes, what have you done? gotten to 65 lmfao.
Naru2008 wrote: »
So from what I understand, the DMCA only was valid for 3rd party apps and mods that violate the terms of service, like Proxy.
So any other 3rd party program would still be valid, especially those they've endorsed and recommended before, like PingZapper. They've constantly recommended it, and so have I, so I'd assume this hasn't changed. It basically does what proxy did; Routes your packets a more direct, reliable way to the server and back, but it doesn't go so far as to predict your skills like Proxy did (from how I understand it worked). It likely won't completely get rid of high ping, but it'll bring it should bring it down tremendously. There's a 7-day free-trial (iirc), and then the lowest tier is 30 days for $4 USD. (It's a pay as you go, not a subscription-base service.)

I don't know how viable of an option this would be for foreign players, but I implore anyone/everyone to at least try the free-trial and see if it makes a close-enough difference similar to proxy, or if there's nothing left for now.

I am playing with 160ms from Europe and some PingZapper improves the experience so much more above WTFast ( i am not sure exactly why because WTFast seems more a bit more developed/expensive ) making the game mostly playable.

Of course, the difference from playing with 50ms and 160ms is noticeable and i do know ( from WoW raiding experience ) that i am losing somewhere along 5% up to 15% dps just by doing simple rotations without any dps meter.. But i can live with it..

I cannot go back to Europe because i have chosen NA back in 2013 when VM2 was a thing and i got used with it way too much to simply start all over ( i also do not feel like losing so many geared level65 characters and so many enchanting resources just to start with a level one character once again and become a stranger in a world that i do not recognize full of names that i never knew ).


Regardless, i do hope that something good will happen because the population dropped and especially if checking LFG now and then so maybe something will happen and everything will be fine.
TERA PC - General Discussion#364 EhnoKai09/30/2018, 09:08 PM
Naru2008 wrote: »
So from what I understand, the DMCA only was valid for 3rd party apps and mods that violate the terms of service, like Proxy.

-snip-

I don't know how viable of an option this would be for foreign players, but I implore anyone/everyone to at least try the free-trial and see if it makes a close-enough difference similar to proxy, or if there's nothing left for now.

Just so you're not out of the loop on what this is about, the original devs named the program "Proxy", it isn't by any form or shape an actual VPN

Proxy does not route your packets directly, it lets you bypass ping input as if you were on a local server, this is not routing your packets directly to EME's server, for a more simple term it simply emulates that you're hosting the game itself, VPNs still have the problem of routing, which will never decrease the net latency to zero.

Skill prediction is what they named the "module" that works on proxy, it allows you to emulate the skill inputs as if you were on a local server, VPN does not do this, it can "lower" your ping in certain cases, but for majority of the overseas players(I'm not saying there are only overseas players) it won't change a single thing, I myself am a player who plays at 280 ping ever since CBT & have tried many things to lower latency, it does not work consistently and at 200+ ping, it does not make a difference noticeable enough to be worth the money.

The DMCA was to take down everything proxy-related, yes there are questionable modules people have developed (like mEMEslash which was a one hit K.O module and as mentioned by people was hated by the proxy community itself), but to take down the very core thing that has improved gameplay for the players outside of NA basically means those players aren't willing to stay anymore, some people who did not even want to use proxy, used something else developed by one specific developer, which was the bypass that prevented XIGNCode from running on game start and even that has been taken down, if XIGNCode was implemented to remove DPS meters and Proxies, it should be rightfully removed because they've legally taken action against the third party applications it was implemented for in the first place.
TERA PC - General Discussion#365 sanj6609/30/2018, 09:09 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
he world because its a lot of money and that will never happen. so its a thing people must deal with and always have to deal with.

so if my mouse has software i am not allowed to use it or my keyboard software? then shouldn't having specific types of mouses with extra buttons be unfair as well? are you even reading and comprehending what you're writing? sync queuing is luck, there is no guarantee who you will actually meet after matching is completed. then what about people who use wtfast? its also a 3rd party software that helps latency, everything else below this is utter trash spewed by someone uninformed, alot of "bs things" can be done without proxy , if its meant for NA region lock it and also they added south american payment methods, so you want their money but you know f you about playing the game.[/quote]

..you agreed to the terms of service right? Right! so If I had written something like that written down inside the terms of services such as "no third party software uses,keys or things outside of what a basic mouse offers." which would be worded much more differently and sound much more complex and you break that rule you will get punished for it. Let me give you a example lets take a game Oldschool runescape a game that is literally based off of right click and left clicking then toggling other things through f1-f6 and moving the camera with your arrow keys. In osrs you are not allowed to remap keys to anything different from what you're given. if i go into the game files and i rewrite the keys in any way shape or form such as "i really think the arrow keys are annoying to move my camera with ill remap my keys to wasd instead!" or "it takes forever to equip and reswap armor sets by having to move the mouse key to pick up and swap to my other armor set ups ill remap those to 1 key and make that one key do the work for me instead!" you will get banned. the mods do not care how long you have had the account for they don't care how long you've played they do not care whether you care and think its unfair or not.you agreed to play the game the way they said they wanted you to play and by breaking those rules you have subjected yourself to be punished. if you don't like that you're free to say no and not play the game but you agreed to them so you have to uphold them.
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you do know every modern mouse and keyboard comes with a software suite so again i ask you people using gaming mouses, keyboards, pads etc you do realize by your single mindedness fall into the same boat. like i said before you are beyond delusional and probably high on something as you were talking about god and hell on a gaming forum.
TERA PC - General Discussion#366 Shinku8909/30/2018, 09:09 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
Shinku you could easily tell if you're doing anything damage wise by looking at your combat log or idk watching how fast the bosses hps go down and whether or not you can make it past certain boss phases you could also figure out how to improve by Mathing out every stat figuring out how it works etc. there is no need for a dps counter. it certainly makes life a lot and is definitely a huge quality of life change. but it is in no means necessary. and lets be honest no one wants to spend that time calculating figuring out estimating guessing etc. but thats one way you could honestly tell if you were doing "good" without a dps counter like moongourd. xd

suree..then do that yourself. no one in his right mind will calculate all his dmg by himself xD
TERA PC - General Discussion#367 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 09:11 PM
no im quite stable and my point is you clicked yes to agree to their services and you're playing the game they own key word here they own the game. you don't unfair or not doesn't matter you hit yes to the services so suck it up.
TERA PC - General Discussion#368 Shinku8909/30/2018, 09:12 PM
So go back to being a sheep as you are. have fun.
TERA PC - General Discussion#369 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 09:13 PM
okay well there was no need for name calling or insults! I'm simply pointing out you agreed to the services they made and you're playing the game they own.
TERA PC - General Discussion#370 sanj6609/30/2018, 09:14 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
Shinku you could easily tell if you're doing anything damage wise by looking at your combat log or idk watching how fast the bosses hps go down and whether or not you can make it past certain boss phases you could also figure out how to improve by Mathing out every stat figuring out how it works etc. there is no need for a dps counter. it certainly makes life a lot and is definitely a huge quality of life change. but it is in no means necessary. and lets be honest no one wants to spend that time calculating figuring out estimating guessing etc. but thats one way you could honestly tell if you were doing "good" without a dps counter like moongourd. xd

this is where you are wrong, every guide and build has been made with dps meter, in a party of varying classes each with varying possible min/max dps how does one simply math the damage they did? all you might be able to tell is overall party dps, you cant tell how much of that damage you did, unless you record your chat for an entire fight, then sum it and divide by time, which at the pace combat occurs in this game would take you hoursdue to having to scan the video for each invidual damage tick/dot in chat log or on screen, good luck doing that, do you even know ktera devs/staff use shinra dps meter on their own streams? wow, and necessary yes, bosses have dps checks now-a-days in case you didnt know, if someone is failing to contribute to it how else would you know?
TERA PC - General Discussion#371 Shinku8909/30/2018, 09:15 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
okay well there was no need for name calling or insults! I'm simply pointing out you agreed to the services they made and you're playing the game they own.

Yes, and I also payed for their game as well. your point?
TERA PC - General Discussion#372 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 09:17 PM
"i paid them for a game that was free so i get to make the decisions!" thats funny :P
TERA PC - General Discussion#373 sanj6609/30/2018, 09:18 PM
EhnoKai wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
So from what I understand, the DMCA only was valid for 3rd party apps and mods that violate the terms of service, like Proxy.

-snip-

I don't know how viable of an option this would be for foreign players, but I implore anyone/everyone to at least try the free-trial and see if it makes a close-enough difference similar to proxy, or if there's nothing left for now.

Just so you're not out of the loop on what this is about, the original devs named the program "Proxy", it isn't by any form or shape an actual VPN

Proxy does not route your packets directly, it lets you bypass ping input as if you were on a local server, this is not routing your packets directly to EME's server, for a more simple term it simply emulates that you're hosting the game itself, VPNs still have the problem of routing, which will never decrease the net latency to zero.

Skill prediction is what they named the "module" that works on proxy, it allows you to emulate the skill inputs as if you were on a local server, VPN does not do this, it can "lower" your ping in certain cases, but for majority of the overseas players(I'm not saying there are only overseas players) it won't change a single thing, I myself am a player who plays at 280 ping ever since CBT & have tried many things to lower latency, it does not work consistently and at 200+ ping, it does not make a difference noticeable enough to be worth the money.

The DMCA was to take down everything proxy-related, yes there are questionable modules people have developed (like mEMEslash which was a one hit K.O module and as mentioned by people was hated by the proxy community itself), but to take down the very core thing that has improved gameplay for the players outside of NA basically means those players aren't willing to stay anymore, some people who did not even want to use proxy, used something else developed by one specific developer, which was the bypass that prevented XIGNCode from running on game start and even that has been taken down, if XIGNCode was implemented to remove DPS meters and Proxies, it should be rightfully removed because they've legally taken action against the third party applications it was implemented for in the first place.

thats the funny thing the dmca stated they wanted proxy and its mods taken down as it affected and modified the game's software for malicious use, which it doesnt except the data centre mod, so their claim in essentia is false, they even listed repositories that had nothing to do with tera to basically just spite the devs and nuke all their work no matter if their claim was true/false or relevant/irrelevant.
TERA PC - General Discussion#374 Shinku8909/30/2018, 09:18 PM
*sigh* i wont even bother with you anymore...mindless sheep.
TERA PC - General Discussion#375 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 09:18 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
no im quite stable and my point is you clicked yes to agree to their services and you're playing the game they own key word here they own the game. you don't unfair or not doesn't matter you hit yes to the services so suck it up.

Tho how does that work when EME themselves have been taking this up the antsy for years, without doing anything? if anything, its on them for not taking action earlier, allowing things to reach this point. By the time October 16th hits, the date of which DPS meters and proxies stop working, everyone with sense will have either found a better game, or have left to Tera EU. It is known that most hackers/cheater use their own proxies, so EME is basically attempting to punish everyone as a whole. But is that really such a good idea? to kill the element which have kept the veterans going?
TERA PC - General Discussion#376 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 09:19 PM
you would probably know by looking at whose dying the most or not doing mechanics correctly or by looking at how they do their rotation or how they rolled their gear!
TERA PC - General Discussion#377 sanj6609/30/2018, 09:22 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
you would probably know by looking at whose dying the most or not doing mechanics correctly or by looking at how they do their rotation or how they rolled their gear!

lol so you want some one to stop and look at another person doing their rotation, do you even read what you post before you do?
TERA PC - General Discussion#378 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 09:22 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
you would probably know by looking at whose dying the most or not doing mechanics correctly or by looking at how they do their rotation or how they rolled their gear!

Its hard for me to follow your comments if you do not quote me. Tho sure. Humm. That is a moot point. please try again.
Without Proxy, Shinra Meter, and TCC this game will lose a significant amount of dedicated veteran players. Even those that don't use any third party mods will notice the huge population decline and will also quit when they realize LFG is empty and IMS queues never pop.

If huge companies like Blizzard and Bethesda can allow third party developers to create useful mods and tools for their games, why can't EME do the same?

I humbly request that you rescind the DMCA notice and reach out to the devs of these mods and work together towards making TERA enjoyable for everyone.
TERA PC - General Discussion#380 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 09:23 PM
the element that kept veterans going? wasn't proxy it was because Tera was once good enjoyable and competitive now its dead, bland repeated content consistently maxed to hell with proxy and macroer's people who exploit cs more than it ever was before etc. and to answer your question almost all the veterans from the strike force days are gone. XD
TERA PC - General Discussion#381 Dvsv09/30/2018, 09:26 PM
sanj66 wrote: »
BlueKoR wrote: »
Shinku you could easily tell if you're doing anything damage wise by looking at your combat log or idk watching how fast the bosses hps go down and whether or not you can make it past certain boss phases you could also figure out how to improve by Mathing out every stat figuring out how it works etc. there is no need for a dps counter. it certainly makes life a lot and is definitely a huge quality of life change. but it is in no means necessary. and lets be honest no one wants to spend that time calculating figuring out estimating guessing etc. but thats one way you could honestly tell if you were doing "good" without a dps counter like moongourd. xd

this is where you are wrong, every guide and build has been made with dps meter, in a party of varying classes each with varying possible min/max dps how does one simply math the damage they did? all you might be able to tell is overall party dps, you cant tell how much of that damage you did, unless you record your chat for an entire fight, then sum it and divide by time, which at the pace combat occurs in this game would take you hoursdue to having to scan the video for each invidual damage tick/dot in chat log or on screen, good luck doing that, do you even know ktera devs/staff use shinra dps meter on their own streams? wow, and necessary yes, bosses have dps checks now-a-days in case you didnt know, if someone is failing to contribute to it how else would you know?

Prob even k-tera (BHS) devs balance content/classes with data from DPS meters hahaha!
DPS meters that work almost like proxy!

But who care, let's ban all impure "cheaters" cuz we all play the "same game" and we all live in south korea where everyone got 20 ms ping!
TERA PC - General Discussion#382 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 09:27 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
the element that kept veterans going? wasn't proxy it was because Tera was once good enjoyable and competitive now its dead, bland repeated content consistently maxed to hell with proxy and macroer's people who exploit cs more than it ever was before etc. and to answer your question almost all the veterans from the strike force days are gone. XD

Please quote me the next time your commenting, as it is hard for me to keep track. Tho you have made another moot point, I am unable to respond seriously. However for the sake of conversation, do you fee like every person that used a proxy did so with the intention of cheating? I know many people that only used proxy because of their low ping, and not because they wanted to cheat. Are you sure it is wise to throw everyone in the same basket?
TERA PC - General Discussion#383 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 09:29 PM
moot point? again i made the point of saying what is the difference between proxy users who use the proxy to get a stable ping and those who abuse it to get an advantage? Both break the terms of agreement both are exploiting the game in the same manner.
TERA PC - General Discussion#384 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 09:36 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
moot point? again i made the point of saying what is the difference between proxy users who use the proxy to get a stable ping and those who abuse it to get an advantage? Both break the terms of agreement both are exploiting the game in the same manner.

You still have not answered my question. You have one last try. I`ll simplify this for you. Do you as a player feel like all proxies should be eliminated?
TERA PC - General Discussion#385 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 09:38 PM
my other point here is you guys agreed to the terms of Service! YOU GUYS SAID I WILL NOT USE PROXY OR THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS While playing your game! Yet here ya are now complaining its being removed. honestly what will happen if proxy goes away? THE TERA COMMUNITY WILL TANK MASS HYSTERIA WILL ENSUE GAME WILL DIE GG NOOO REEEE. and yet the game somehow survived free to play through whatever else without those tools. people who were still here with bad ping suffered through it without proxy and they played without whining about how their ping was too high or their being no Dps counter like Moongourd.
TERA PC - General Discussion#386 Medisls09/30/2018, 09:38 PM
Proxy give me low ping, no proxy no play :,(
If huge companies like Blizzard and Bethesda can allow third party developers to create useful mods and tools for their games, why can't EME do the same????
TERA PC - General Discussion#387 sanj6609/30/2018, 09:39 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
the element that kept veterans going? wasn't proxy it was because Tera was once good enjoyable and competitive now its dead, bland repeated content consistently maxed to hell with proxy and macroer's people who exploit cs more than it ever was before etc. and to answer your question almost all the veterans from the strike force days are gone. XD

you do realize glitching cs gates can and is done without proxy or any 3rd party tool related right? and hey that means you knew little to no one back then cuz alot of people that were currently in the endgame community still have their vm weapon collections from vm 1 till now. the drive to compete and be rank 1 was what kept them around and its gone now so why bother to stay, but you fail to understand as well, people are just fed up with the company and the way they handle things, look at even this, they said they want to converse with us, how many replies have they posted? they posted this friday evening before they left the office and probably wont even bother reading this or listening to anyone. they hosted streams where you could interact with them and ask questions, in light of the new cm making a complete fool of herself because after 7 months on the job she cant answer a simple or single question properly as she still knows absolutely nothing about the game. add to that a senior product manager announcing they sent in a dmca which was revealed by other sources and shows where they either lied or again knew nothing of how anything works in or with the game while never responding to worthwhile issues or fixing anything in game while other regions get events, extra dungeons, optimization and are more understanding. for alot who dont even use anything 3rd party it was just the lack of professionalism and was the straw that broke the camel's back.
TERA PC - General Discussion#388 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 09:44 PM
my point is sanj if people don't like it they should leave. i left forever ago I'm not coming back this game only persists to exist because people despite these issues stay here if you got up and moved and left to some other mmorpgs the game would be done but ya stay here and argue and whine and complain for things that will never change. You agreed to the terms of service you're stuck! but if you leave the game say [filtered] those terms of service I'm out you get to not deal with this bs anymore! yet despite that people stay despite all the groaning and moaning of its not fair its not balanced its horrible this is a travesty on the most horrendous level! Yet, people stick around. XD
TERA PC - General Discussion#389 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 09:47 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
my other point here is you guys agreed to the terms of Service! YOU GUYS SAID I WILL NOT USE PROXY OR THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS While playing your game! Yet here ya are now complaining its being removed. honestly what will happen if proxy goes away? THE TERA COMMUNITY WILL TANK MASS HYSTERIA WILL ENSUE GAME WILL DIE GG NOOO REEEE. and yet the game somehow survived free to play through whatever else without those tools. people who were still here with bad ping suffered through it without proxy and they played without whining about how their ping was too high or their being no Dps counter like Moongourd.

First off, you need to chillax, boy. I have been playing longer then you most likely, and theres no need for caps and as I have personally have not used proxies. Nor have I complained about that, so keep your version straight. Take a breather. Second, do you really not understand people with high ping needs? I am not advocating cheats, I am against them probobly more then you, if you were to read my older posts. I am however saying that proxies kept the game alive. Without DPS meters, there's not room to experiment, no real need to get higher gear. Can you not see how proxies benefited this game? again, people that use proxies to cheat should be banned. But dont you think that many of these problems would go away, fi only BHS provided an official solution?
TERA PC - General Discussion#390 Shinku8909/30/2018, 09:53 PM
Who stays exactly? This, THIS, is the sealing deal of lots of players in tera NA. Including me. Just because I lurk in this forum doesn't mean I play it. I haven't opened the launcher for several days, and not going to either.
TERA PC - General Discussion#391 Narukko09/30/2018, 09:54 PM
> @BlueKoR said:
> okay well there was no need for name calling or insults! I'm simply pointing out you agreed to the services they made and you're playing the game they own.

And we've been asking for optimazition for years and nothing has been done (besides adding the lovely xingcode).
I'm not saying proxy is right but it is, in some cases, necessary so most of us don't quit.
And now we are not asking eme to allow proxy, we are asking them to fix their game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#392 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 09:56 PM
... played longer than me? I don't think so. and here's the thing BHS is never going to provide a solution ever.. it has been 6 damn years and there's never been a solution for a lot of bugs and glitches and things in game why do you think that will happen now? you guys are complaining for something to change advocating for things. things that will never happen things that will never get fixed. so why bother? you have done all you can you've whined, you've petitioned, you've voted you constantly try to talk to Gms and nothing is changing. the game will not change or get fixed or become better in any way there is no hope for this at this point so at this point people say they'll quit if that's the case actually quit if enough of ya actually quit the game dev's will be forced to change or fix something but making a huge rant over 30 pages long isn't going to get results XD

TERA PC - General Discussion#393 konno1609/30/2018, 10:00 PM
Since NA proxy devs will no longer be supporting NA proxy, I think the first step is to remove xigncode or whatever that people are complaining. you lost other continent player base already. do you want to lose most of NA players as well? xigncode was design to do whatever it said it would (but it didn't really) so what's the point of having it now, if proxy is no more?
TERA PC - General Discussion#394 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 10:03 PM
Shinku89 wrote: »
Who stays exactly? This, THIS, is the sealing deal of lots of players in tera NA. Including me. Just because I lurk in this forum doesn't mean I play it. I haven't opened the launcher for several days, and not going to either.

And you are, I am assuming, a high latency player which feels like they can no longer enjoy the game, knowing of how unequal it is for people that don`t use proxies. If your a cheater thats a different story, but if you are not, then this basically mean that you only used a proxy so that you will be able to enjoy your classes, they way that they are meant to be played - the way that the developers themselves wanted them to be played.

Proxies are no the enemy, they were the salvation for people that wanted to play decently. And if you read abit about the proxy communities, you will notice that they do not advocate cheating and that they ban known scripters.The people that made the proxies just wanted a more fair leveling filed for people whose ping was so high, they knew they were unable to measure themselves again snowflake Chicago heroes. As you have stated yourself previously, you have left NA Tera supposedly forthat reason alone. Meaning, you didnt feel like you wanted to cheat, you just wanted to experience the game fairly, and you knew that was not possible with your current ping. You are just one of many.

I think that people like this BlueKoR are happy because finally the bottom feeders get a chance to shine. Tho it is most likely that they will still end up being copy cats, and will not come up with original stuff on their own.
TERA PC - General Discussion#395 Shinku8909/30/2018, 10:06 PM
Starkhoe wrote: »
Shinku89 wrote: »
Who stays exactly? This, THIS, is the sealing deal of lots of players in tera NA. Including me. Just because I lurk in this forum doesn't mean I play it. I haven't opened the launcher for several days, and not going to either.

And you are, I am assuming, a high latency player which feels like they can no longer enjoy the game, knowing of how unequal it is for people that don`t use proxies. If your a cheater thats a different story, but if you are not, then this basically mean that you only used a proxy so that you will be able to enjoy your classes, they way that they are meant to be played - the way that the developers themselves wanted them to be played.

Proxies are no the enemy, they were the salvation for people that wanted to play decently. And if you read abit about the proxy communities, you will notice that they do not advocate cheating and that they ban known scripters.The people that made the proxies just wanted a more fair leveling filed for people whose ping was so high, they knew they were unable to measure themselves again snowflake Chicago heroes. As you have stated yourself previously, you have left NA Tera supposedly forthat reason alone. Meaning, you didnt feel like you wanted to cheat, you just wanted to experience the game fairly, and you knew that was possible with your current ping. You are just one of many.

I think that people like this BlueKoR are happy because finally the bottom feeders get a chance to shine. Tho it is most likely that they will still end up being copy cats, and will not come up with original stuff on their own.

Yes, you're right in everything besides one thing - those people will never have the chance to shine because they are too used to people who use those dps meters carrying them anyways.
TERA PC - General Discussion#396 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 10:11 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
... played longer than me? I don't think so. and here's the thing BHS is never going to provide a solution ever.. it has been 6 damn years and there's never been a solution for a lot of bugs and glitches and things in game why do you think that will happen now? you guys are complaining for something to change advocating for things. things that will never happen things that will never get fixed. so why bother? you have done all you can you've whined, you've petitioned, you've voted you constantly try to talk to Gms and nothing is changing. the game will not change or get fixed or become better in any way there is no hope for this at this point so at this point people say they'll quit if that's the case actually quit if enough of ya actually quit the game dev's will be forced to change or fix something but making a huge rant over 30 pages long isn't going to get results XD

I gave you a like out of pity.
TERA PC - General Discussion#397 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 10:13 PM
Shinku89 wrote: »
Yes, you're right in everything besides one thing - those people will never have the chance to shine because they are too used to people who use those dps meters carrying them anyways.

Killing proxies and DPS meters will be the death of this game, come October 16th. Let the sheep hurd themselves into oblivion. Who cares.
TERA PC - General Discussion#398 IxWolfie09/30/2018, 10:16 PM
Jesus EME, if players would break your ToS in mass numbers to get around something you implemented, maybe it's a good idea to consider changing what you implemented? This is, in landslide, the biggest screw up I've seen you guys make since I started in 2016. I'm not trying to be "offensive" or "come at the staff team", or whatever the hell you guys want to call it to silence the community. You just seriously don't understand your players anymore.

Have fun with your gold sellers, as well as private exploits that can work without proxy that supposedly would be going away with this... :')
remove xigncode
TERA PC - General Discussion#400 sanj6609/30/2018, 10:21 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
... played longer than me? I don't think so. and here's the thing BHS is never going to provide a solution ever.. it has been 6 damn years and there's never been a solution for a lot of bugs and glitches and things in game why do you think that will happen now? you guys are complaining for something to change advocating for things. things that will never happen things that will never get fixed. so why bother? you have done all you can you've whined, you've petitioned, you've voted you constantly try to talk to Gms and nothing is changing. the game will not change or get fixed or become better in any way there is no hope for this at this point so at this point people say they'll quit if that's the case actually quit if enough of ya actually quit the game dev's will be forced to change or fix something but making a huge rant over 30 pages long isn't going to get results XD

these bugs and glitches and optimization has been done on basically every other region exxept na, if you watch the ktera/jp/tw/ru/eu streams their client is better optimized and have bugs and glitches fixed while enmasse does nothing so its not entirely bhs's fault other than they let a [filtered] partner company publish and ruin their game for the most part. even recently it was revealed that enmasse employees were making false claims about some of the other region's publishers.
TERA PC - General Discussion#401 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 10:25 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
... played longer than me? I don't think so. and here's the thing BHS is never going to provide a solution ever.. it has been 6 damn years and there's never been a solution for a lot of bugs and glitches and things in game why do you think that will happen now? you guys are complaining for something to change advocating for things. things that will never happen things that will never get fixed. so why bother? you have done all you can you've whined, you've petitioned, you've voted you constantly try to talk to Gms and nothing is changing. the game will not change or get fixed or become better in any way there is no hope for this at this point so at this point people say they'll quit if that's the case actually quit if enough of ya actually quit the game dev's will be forced to change or fix something but making a huge rant over 30 pages long isn't going to get results XD

You seem to be accstume to arguing with people that listen to your dumb [filtered]. Also, you are assuming quite a few things on my behalf, so allow me to return the favor. Way that I see it, you are a spoon feed crybaby. I have not petitioned anything, and your cleary not smart enough to figure out what im thinking. Do yourself a favor, bask in the glory of what little you can, for when the time comes, nobody will be left to carry you ;) tho your right, 30 pages isnt enough to express jsut how stupid you really are.
TERA PC - General Discussion#402 BlueKoR09/30/2018, 10:26 PM
Stark, there is no difference between a proxy user. Who proxies to compensate for their ping and someone who proxies to get a advantage in the game. None, what so ever. as both are still breaking what is already busted up game. my other point is is people here complaining for change and such but know its never coming. so why stay? people keep trying to give suggestions to fix Tera, to save it to let 3rd party programmers coincide peacefully with the game but any person worth their money knows That's never going to happen. first of all let me address the idea of "letting 3rd party programmers work in Enmasse to help better the game." first of all, why do you think that would be a good idea? these are people who are already selling their services to people in the game.

to help make proxies game breaking techniques etc and selling them off for their own gain. As I pointed out earlier road to hell paved with good intentions. If Enmasse did this they'd be hiring unprofessional, unloyal, unaligned hackers exploiters and people who break the game letting them into their company having them work for them getting to know an learn their code and then possibly having that come back later to bite them in the [filtered]. they probably wouldn't actually be getting paid to do this. Because there is no way in hell BHS would allow this to happen and pay these people for exploiting the game they said they wouldn't exploit. if they gave that that out and someone came back and used it against them? or sold that information off to people to exploit the game more? very bad things.

2nd issue servers are absolute garbage.

this would require money to be spent and places to be rented money. which bhs is not going to spend their money to make it so South American, Eu, etc players have a better ping when for EU players they can play on game forge etc. this is never oging ot happen Because..its not necessary and while it would allow for better game play i sincerely doubt they care whether or not you can play the game smoothly or not. in the end its about money and so long as you keep spending complain as you might they do not care.

3rd issue fixing the game!

..This is never going to happen games been broken for years. not getting fixed ever
TERA PC - General Discussion#403 ElinUsagi09/30/2018, 10:29 PM
Starkhoe wrote: »
Shinku89 wrote: »
Who stays exactly? This, THIS, is the sealing deal of lots of players in tera NA. Including me. Just because I lurk in this forum doesn't mean I play it. I haven't opened the launcher for several days, and not going to either.

And you are, I am assuming, a high latency player which feels like they can no longer enjoy the game, knowing of how unequal it is for people that don`t use proxies. If your a cheater thats a different story, but if you are not, then this basically mean that you only used a proxy so that you will be able to enjoy your classes, they way that they are meant to be played - the way that the developers themselves wanted them to be played.

Proxies are no the enemy, they were the salvation for people that wanted to play decently. And if you read abit about the proxy communities, you will notice that they do not advocate cheating and that they ban known scripters.The people that made the proxies just wanted a more fair leveling filed for people whose ping was so high, they knew they were unable to measure themselves again snowflake Chicago heroes. As you have stated yourself previously, you have left NA Tera supposedly forthat reason alone. Meaning, you didnt feel like you wanted to cheat, you just wanted to experience the game fairly, and you knew that was not possible with your current ping. You are just one of many.

I think that people like this BlueKoR are happy because finally the bottom feeders get a chance to shine. Tho it is most likely that they will still end up being copy cats, and will not come up with original stuff on their own.

Yet they are the same devs who made memeslash and leaked into the comunity and later playing dumb. They are just criminals, nothing else.
TERA PC - General Discussion#404 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 10:29 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
Stark, there is no difference between a proxy user. Who proxies to compensate for their ping and someone who proxies to get a advantage in the game. None, what so ever. as both are still breaking what is already busted up game. my other point is is people here complaining for change and such but know its never coming. so why stay? people keep trying to give suggestions to fix Tera, to save it to let 3rd party programmers coincide peacefully with the game but any person worth their money knows That's never going to happen. first of all let me address the idea of "letting 3rd party programmers work in Enmasse to help better the game." first of all, why do you think that would be a good idea? these are people who are already selling their services to people in the game.

to help make proxies game breaking techniques etc and selling them off for their own gain. As I pointed out earlier road to hell paved with good intentions. If Enmasse did this they'd be hiring unprofessional, unloyal, unaligned hackers exploiters and people who break the game letting them into their company having them work for them getting to know an learn their code and then possibly having that come back later to bite them in the [filtered]. they probably wouldn't actually be getting paid to do this. Because there is no way in hell BHS would allow this to happen and pay these people for exploiting the game they said they wouldn't exploit. if they gave that that out and someone came back and used it against them? or sold that information off to people to exploit the game more? very bad things.

2nd issue servers are absolute garbage.

this would require money to be spent and places to be rented money. which bhs is not going to spend their money to make it so South American, Eu, etc players have a better ping when for EU players they can play on game forge etc. this is never oging ot happen Because..its not necessary and while it would allow for better game play i sincerely doubt they care whether or not you can play the game smoothly or not. in the end its about money and so long as you keep spending complain as you might they do not care.

3rd issue fixing the game!

..This is never going to happen games been broken for years. not getting fixed ever

Im really sorry but your too stupid to respond to any further. good day ^^
TERA PC - General Discussion#405 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 10:31 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Yet they are the same devs who made memeslash and leaked into the comunity and later playing dumb. They are just criminals, nothing else.

You still didnt answer my question. Do you feel like all proxy users are cheaters? don`t worry. I will not attempt to confront you. I`m simply interested in your opinion.
TERA PC - General Discussion#406 clfarron409/30/2018, 10:33 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Starkhoe wrote: »
Shinku89 wrote: »
Who stays exactly? This, THIS, is the sealing deal of lots of players in tera NA. Including me. Just because I lurk in this forum doesn't mean I play it. I haven't opened the launcher for several days, and not going to either.

And you are, I am assuming, a high latency player which feels like they can no longer enjoy the game, knowing of how unequal it is for people that don`t use proxies. If your a cheater thats a different story, but if you are not, then this basically mean that you only used a proxy so that you will be able to enjoy your classes, they way that they are meant to be played - the way that the developers themselves wanted them to be played.

Proxies are no the enemy, they were the salvation for people that wanted to play decently. And if you read abit about the proxy communities, you will notice that they do not advocate cheating and that they ban known scripters.The people that made the proxies just wanted a more fair leveling filed for people whose ping was so high, they knew they were unable to measure themselves again snowflake Chicago heroes. As you have stated yourself previously, you have left NA Tera supposedly forthat reason alone. Meaning, you didnt feel like you wanted to cheat, you just wanted to experience the game fairly, and you knew that was not possible with your current ping. You are just one of many.

I think that people like this BlueKoR are happy because finally the bottom feeders get a chance to shine. Tho it is most likely that they will still end up being copy cats, and will not come up with original stuff on their own.

Yet they are the same devs who made memeslash and leaked into the comunity and later playing dumb. They are just criminals, nothing else.

Said developers informed EME of memeslash before the whole memeslash fiasco kicked off, but EME ignored them. And it is the same with every other major fiasco relating to the abuse of in game functions; community developers report the vulnerabilities, EME ban them for doing so and nothing gets fixed.

And if I remember correctly, it wasn't a developer that leaked it, but someone that was never supposed to have access to it after the community developers had discovered it and reported it to EME.
TERA PC - General Discussion#407 Solheim09/30/2018, 10:43 PM
Also memeslash operates separately of proxy. So it’s still around even with proxy gone.
TERA PC - General Discussion#408 ElinUsagi09/30/2018, 10:57 PM
Starkhoe wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Yet they are the same devs who made memeslash and leaked into the comunity and later playing dumb. They are just criminals, nothing else.

You still didnt answer my question. Do you feel like all proxy users are cheaters? don`t worry. I will not attempt to confront you. I`m simply interested in your opinion.

I already answered you, supporting devs that make cheats is also an offense and its worst if you support them even when you know that what they are doing is illegal. Ignorance will only help you to get a lesser punishment but if you are aware that what they are doing is actually against the rules then you are not better than them.

You made me that same question in another thread and I answered you. I won't reapeat myslelf about that every time and if my answer was deleted for whatever reason for some mod I wont bother to make it again.
TERA PC - General Discussion#409 Melyodis09/30/2018, 10:58 PM
when will you all understand that its been six years it time to leave when EME realize how many players they have lost i think then the six years of feedback will be taken seriously. So stop whine, stop the bickering just leave and wait for change go take a vocation and wait for the change. That's what they need, they need to see the player base take drastic actions, so things not the way we like leave and stop with the BS talk cause your words mean nothing to them is action the need.
TERA PC - General Discussion#410 Ryusama09/30/2018, 10:59 PM
In short:

-good and honest players leave
-bots and hackers remain

And the tiny percentage of real people that will still keep playing despite everything will have to deal with Long Queues for IMS or BG and those hackers.

I give it 3 months before there's another server merge to a single server.
TERA PC - General Discussion#411 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 11:00 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Starkhoe wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Yet they are the same devs who made memeslash and leaked into the comunity and later playing dumb. They are just criminals, nothing else.

You still didnt answer my question. Do you feel like all proxy users are cheaters? don`t worry. I will not attempt to confront you. I`m simply interested in your opinion.

I already answered you, supporting devs that make cheats is also an offense and its worst if you support them even when you know that what they are doing is illegal. Ignorance will only help you to get a lesser punishment but if you are aware that what they are doing is actually against the rules then you are not better than them.

You sound so naive. Anyway I dont care. So your basically against all proxy users?
TERA PC - General Discussion#412 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 11:02 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Starkhoe wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Yet they are the same devs who made memeslash and leaked into the comunity and later playing dumb. They are just criminals, nothing else.

You still didnt answer my question. Do you feel like all proxy users are cheaters? don`t worry. I will not attempt to confront you. I`m simply interested in your opinion. [/quote

You sound so naive. Anyway I dont care. So your basically against all proxy users? have fu I suppose lol
TERA PC - General Discussion#413 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 11:03 PM
Starkhoe wrote: »
Starkhoe wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Starkhoe wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Yet they are the same devs who made memeslash and leaked into the comunity and later playing dumb. They are just criminals, nothing else.

You sound so naive. Anyway I dont care. So your basically against all proxy users? have fu I suppose lol
TERA PC - General Discussion#414 clfarron409/30/2018, 11:04 PM
Solheim wrote: »
Can you imagine Tera if there had never been a need for proxy devs?

Yeah, it would have been great. That means we would have:
- FPS optimisations
- Ping Tax Equalisation
- A UI that renders natively in English for the NA region (instead of the current where it renders in Korean and then re-renders in English)
- No lag from item buffs (such as Nostrums, or the mess that is noctenium calling your entire inventory twice for each one you use)
- A chat that could sanitise input text properly
- A way of dropping HP with a consumable for Slaying runs
- Swimming without crashing
- State-tracking so that all your characters loaded properly, even if you crash at an opportune moment.
- A setting to disable the "X enchanted Y" and "X looted Y from Z" notices

These have all been suggested to EME and explained to EME, for the purposes of forwarding on to BHS in some shape or form by the community.
TERA PC - General Discussion#415 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 11:05 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
I already answered you, supporting devs that make cheats is also an offense and its worst if you support them even when you know that what they are doing is illegal. Ignorance will only help you to get a lesser punishment but if you are aware that what they are doing is actually against the rules then you are not better than them.

You made me that same question in another thread and I answered you. I won't reapeat myslelf about that every time and if my answer was deleted for whatever reason for some mod I wont bother to make it again.

Sorry I edited my reply incorrectly. So your just another white knight. I see. Thank you. That will be all ^^
TERA PC - General Discussion#416 Naru200809/30/2018, 11:07 PM
Starkhoe wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
I already answered you, supporting devs that make cheats is also an offense and its worst if you support them even when you know that what they are doing is illegal. Ignorance will only help you to get a lesser punishment but if you are aware that what they are doing is actually against the rules then you are not better than them.

You made me that same question in another thread and I answered you. I won't reapeat myslelf about that every time and if my answer was deleted for whatever reason for some mod I wont bother to make it again.

Sorry I edited my reply incorrectly. So your just another white knight. I see. Thank you. That will be all ^^

I love how you're all quick to judge those of us with logic and a little thing common sense as 'white knights'.

Lol get off your high horses and chill.
This thread has devolved into players just slinging mud at eachother instead of addressing the actual issue at hand. Good job.
TERA PC - General Discussion#418 6R1MM01R309/30/2018, 11:13 PM
Meningitis wrote: »
This thread has devolved into players just slinging mud at eachother instead of addressing the actual issue at hand. Good job.

Because there are many ignorants that don't have a clear understanding of the situation.
TERA PC - General Discussion#419 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 11:13 PM
Naru2008 wrote: »
I love how you're all quick to judge those of us with logic and a little thing common sense as 'white knights'. Lol get off your high horses and chill.

My friend are you sure you wish to assume my thought process?
TERA PC - General Discussion#420 Naru200809/30/2018, 11:15 PM
Starkhoe wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
I love how you're all quick to judge those of us with logic and a little thing common sense as 'white knights'. Lol get off your high horses and chill.

My friend are you sure you wish to assume my thought process?

It's how it's been since day one. Someone simply points out that (once in a blue moon) EME has a valid point, and all of a sudden every single person who's anti-white-knight comes around and you see nothing but "FILTHY WHITE KNIGHTS, SCUM, SCUM, ALL OF YOU" or some extent of that.
Disciplinary action will be taken if any player uses foul language, attacks EME employees or other players.
This. If only they did this seeing the posts on last few pages I would be impressed and surprised at the same time. That'd mean somoene actually read this all.
TERA PC - General Discussion#422 Starkhoe09/30/2018, 11:20 PM
Naru2008 wrote: »
It's how it's been since day one. Someone simply points out that (once in a blue moon) EME has a valid point, and all of a sudden every single person who's anti-white-knight comes around and you see nothing but "FILTHY WHITE KNIGHTS, SCUM, SCUM, ALL OF YOU" or some extent of that.

I see. So you are used to that common trend where people listen to your side of the story. Very well. Go on. Please tell me how my point of view violates the terms of service, and how I as an individual have emplored people to break the rules. Go on ;) think well tho, as you only get one shot to differentiate yourself from the sheep. I will listen to reason, if you have that within you. You are attempting to play under community rules, that will not work with me. These are ants watching a TV program, as far as im concerned. If you want me to listen to you, you better have something really good up your sleeves. Something better then the ones that spewed politically correct garbage, before you. So go on. Impress me if you want to talk to me as an equal, or forever hold your peace. Tho please do not assume what I think, as it is much easier to ask me. Mind reading is beyond your reach.
TERA PC - General Discussion#423 6R1MM01R309/30/2018, 11:23 PM
Naru2008 wrote: »
Starkhoe wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
I love how you're all quick to judge those of us with logic and a little thing common sense as 'white knights'. Lol get off your high horses and chill.

My friend are you sure you wish to assume my thought process?

It's how it's been since day one. Someone simply points out that (once in a blue moon) EME has a valid point, and all of a sudden every single person who's anti-white-knight comes around and you see nothing but "FILTHY WHITE KNIGHTS, SCUM, SCUM, ALL OF YOU" or some extent of that.

Not exacly. ElinUsagi is just making assumptions with lack of information, like always, and just making an statement on the highly inaccurate information that EME has spread ever since the proxy witch hunt started last year, when they portrayed every proxy developer as the same than those who made exploits and leaked them around. The only valid point that EnMasse has in this disaster is their "terms of service" and nothing else, because their acts in this incident aren't in benefit of anyone, not even themselves. They don't care about you or any of the players either 3pp user or not.
hmm well lets be honest ... the dps counter is used to roast a lot of people that maybe don't have great ping .... maybe if they make one so that you can only see your own.... NOT so you can be a ******** to other people over theirs ... ;)
TERA PC - General Discussion#425 clfarron409/30/2018, 11:54 PM
hmm well lets be honest ... the dps counter is used to roast a lot of people that maybe don't have great ping .... maybe if they make one so that you can only see your own.... NOT so you can be a ******** to other people over theirs ... ;)

There was one in development by Destiny Games and Gameforge for the TERA client a while back, but there are no signs of it being made accessible to anyone outside of the developers yet.
TERA PC - General Discussion#426 Waitress10/01/2018, 12:00 AM
6R1MM01R3 wrote: »
Meningitis wrote: »
This thread has devolved into players just slinging mud at eachother instead of addressing the actual issue at hand. Good job.

Because there are many ignorants that don't have a clear understanding of the situation.

Agree to disagree and focus on what you want changed.
Divide and conqueror is all that's going on otherwise. If the problem turns into everyone just fighting each other then the company truly has nothing to do with it and rightfully gets to close all conversation about it to avoid more fighting. Winning an argument in a forum is still an instant loss no matter what.
Focus on what you want solved, not how much that other person gets on your nerves because that person ultimately is nobody important and cannot fix what you want solved anyway.
6R1MM01R3 wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
Starkhoe wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
I love how you're all quick to judge those of us with logic and a little thing common sense as 'white knights'. Lol get off your high horses and chill.

My friend are you sure you wish to assume my thought process?

It's how it's been since day one. Someone simply points out that (once in a blue moon) EME has a valid point, and all of a sudden every single person who's anti-white-knight comes around and you see nothing but "FILTHY WHITE KNIGHTS, SCUM, SCUM, ALL OF YOU" or some extent of that.

Not exacly. ElinUsagi is just making assumptions with lack of information, like always, and just making an statement on the highly inaccurate information that EME has spread ever since the proxy witch hunt started last year, when they portrayed every proxy developer as the same than those who made exploits and leaked them around. The only valid point that EnMasse has in this disaster is their "terms of service" and nothing else, because their acts in this incident aren't in benefit of anyone, not even themselves. They don't care about you or any of the players either 3pp user or not.

Stop responding to it.
I've played this game since it came out and noticed this person since they got here.
I noticed enough to realize responding to it will never be worth your time. This is the reality of the situation. Just stop responding to it. If you want change, that person has nothing to do with that. Ignore them and focus.
TERA PC - General Discussion#427 tadaaaa10/01/2018, 12:00 AM
I don't use proxy or any of that stuff since i never needed it, but i can say that NAtera won't survive without it or without something similar. All those hundreds of players that left are affecting the game right now, LFG chat is empty except for stuff that's written there like "Dead game" "mEME this" "mEME that". In my guild where usually 12-15 people are online on a Sunday i'm the only one on right now which is sad, all my friends are offline, nobody wants to run anything, when i queue for IMS i queue for my usual 431s 30-40 mins and when it does pop it's awful.

As a 20-24ms NA player who doesn't use a dps meter or any of that 3rd party program stuff i implore you people hosting this game to either bring back what many players lost or do everything in your power to restore the game to how it was a few days ago before the inevitable happens because this will affect NA players as well.
TERA PC - General Discussion#428 sanj6610/01/2018, 12:14 AM
Meningitis wrote: »
This thread has devolved into players just slinging mud at eachother instead of addressing the actual issue at hand. Good job.

what do you think was the plan, they left this thread friday night when they left the office as the excuse for not replying yet we've seen in the past staff reply on weekends, then they'll say flaming blah blah blah shut down the thread and never fix anything.
sanj66 wrote: »
what do you think was the plan, they left this thread friday night when they left the office as the excuse for not replying yet we've seen in the past staff reply on weekends, then they'll say flaming blah blah blah shut down the thread and never fix anything.
If that is truly the case, they baited us well because they know most of the community can't actually act like adults for even five minutes.
TERA PC - General Discussion#430 Ryusama10/01/2018, 12:52 AM
tadaaaa wrote: »
I don't use proxy or any of that stuff since i never needed it, but i can say that NAtera won't survive without it or without something similar. All those hundreds of players that left are affecting the game right now, LFG chat is empty except for stuff that's written there like "Dead game" "mEME this" "mEME that". In my guild where usually 12-15 people are online on a Sunday i'm the only one on right now which is sad, all my friends are offline, nobody wants to run anything, when i queue for IMS i queue for my usual 431s 30-40 mins and when it does pop it's awful.

As a 20-24ms NA player who doesn't use a dps meter or any of that 3rd party program stuff i implore you people hosting this game to either bring back what many players lost or do everything in your power to restore the game to how it was a few days ago before the inevitable happens because this will affect NA players as well.

It's sad to hear that, our guild also used to have a lot of people active but ever since mEME's past incorrect decisions they have been leaving one after another. However this one was the nail in the coffin and I'm also the only one connected at the moment.

You know what's worse? This will only get uglier. Expect a lot of people leaving after 16th when the last proxy support dies. Then TERA will be a ghost town where there will be more people on the forums than in-game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#431 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 12:57 AM
the games never going to change. never improve and never become better than It was in from its first days of being of free to play. this whole thread its pointless if you people want change quit the game stop paying money. you whining but still logging in to play the game and buying costumes is not going to make them give a damn. also funniest part i see is people advocating injector to fix what is already so freaking busted that no matter what they do it will never get repaired. adovacating lets break the game more to fix it is like saying lets put more harmful bacteria into a infected wound and hope that cleans it. when in actuality? you're only making the problem worse.
If huge companies like Blizzard and Bethesda can allow third party developers to create useful mods and tools for their games, why can't EME do the same?
Blizzard and other companies have officially sanctioned addon development policies and associated development API's. This is the (UI addon policy) one for WoW's UI API for example. Bluehole (as the developer) would need to create a more formal system like that for TERA but given the state of its code (where it wasn't even designed to have something like that), would probably not fly. They don't even prioritize security hardening what currently exists so I can't see them sinking design, development, and QA time on a system like that (even though I feel it would be beneficial with addressing some foundational issues along with an official way to add functionality).
TERA PC - General Discussion#433 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 01:05 AM
blizzard and bethesda also have a [filtered] ton more resources to handle these things and actually code the game properly XD.
BlueKoR wrote: »
blizzard and bethesda also have a [filtered] ton more resources to handle these things and actually code the game properly XD.
Exactly!
TERA PC - General Discussion#435 Melyodis10/01/2018, 01:10 AM
BlueKoR wrote: »
the games never going to change. never improve and never become better than It was in from its first days of being of free to play. this whole thread its pointless if you people want change quit the game stop paying money. you whining but still logging in to play the game and buying costumes is not going to make them give a damn. also funniest part i see is people advocating injector to fix what is already so freaking busted that no matter what they do it will never get repaired. adovacating lets break the game more to fix it is like saying lets put more harmful bacteria into a infected wound and hope that cleans it. when in actuality? you're only making the problem worse.

agree 100% all i see is game freaks behavior. change will only come when it hurts eme income.
Melyodis wrote: »
BlueKoR wrote: »
the games never going to change. never improve and never become better than It was in from its first days of being of free to play. this whole thread its pointless if you people want change quit the game stop paying money. you whining but still logging in to play the game and buying costumes is not going to make them give a damn. also funniest part i see is people advocating injector to fix what is already so freaking busted that no matter what they do it will never get repaired. adovacating lets break the game more to fix it is like saying lets put more harmful bacteria into a infected wound and hope that cleans it. when in actuality? you're only making the problem worse.

agree 100% all i see is game freaks behavior. change will only come when it hurts eme income.

I've always taken this stance myself (the only surefire way to make a real impact is to vote with your wallet). The core issue starts with Bluehole (they are the developers and they are the ones who should be prioritizing issues that need to be addressed. The publishers are the one who need to collect, process, and articulate that feedback (provided by their player community) back to them. In this case here with TERA, well... Bluehole does what they do (which is what we see... poor optimization and all). So long as revenues come in for Bluehole from any region and they make dime (their cut of the revenue sharing agreement with their publishers), it's an easy cash cow for them.

Sure, the game (like most every single Korean MMO out there) was designed for South Korea... narrow timezone with high bandwidth, low latency network infrastructure along with low security considerations since these MMO's were created for PC bangs (where it was this investment cycle of portal publishing and development partnerships). Netcode optimization along with proper server side data validation (and not trusting the client) weren't high priority in the design because back then, it was about trying to crank out games as fast as possible (using revenues from it to fund the next project). Publishing contracts in other regions was just added revenue to leverage the production work (asset creation, modeling, rigging, animation) already done (plus there was also the fact that they saw how whales in NA and EU threw money at these exported titles). But the original game design is basically shoehorned to work elsewhere along with all of its warts.

Would I like to see these issues addressed at their root? Of course. Do I expect it? Realistically no. Do I enjoy playing TERA with all these warts? I do (to an extent) and will continue to (on NA) even though I still would like Bluehole to address some of these problems with reasonable solutions.
tadaaaa wrote: »
I don't use proxy or any of that stuff since i never needed it, but i can say that NAtera won't survive without it or without something similar. All those hundreds of players that left are affecting the game right now, LFG chat is empty except for stuff that's written there like "Dead game" "mEME this" "mEME that". In my guild where usually 12-15 people are online on a Sunday i'm the only one on right now which is sad, all my friends are offline, nobody wants to run anything, when i queue for IMS i queue for my usual 431s 30-40 mins and when it does pop it's awful.

As a 20-24ms NA player who doesn't use a dps meter or any of that 3rd party program stuff i implore you people hosting this game to either bring back what many players lost or do everything in your power to restore the game to how it was a few days ago before the inevitable happens because this will affect NA players as well.

and it will get worse.. you know, it's sad but true
TERA PC - General Discussion#438 Jerichow10/01/2018, 02:32 AM
Meningitis wrote: »
This thread has devolved into players just slinging mud at eachother instead of addressing the actual issue at hand. Good job.

Pretty much this - I've spent the last few hours paging through this and at first it was a lot of actual, "EME, do XYZ etc, etc." posts, but eventually, as always, it delves into chaos because of a few people who have to have their beef with someone on a public form that everyone has to put up with.

And now we have people like @ElinUsagi , @Starkhoe , @Equitas and a few others that have contributed pages of attacks against each other, that does absolutely nothing to contribute to the topic at hand... So yeah... thanks for derailing the thread with your petty and childish ego trips... Keep giving EME more reason to discredit the forum community why don't you?




.... ANYWAY. I honestly have posted several times in the past about things EME can do to help fix Tera, things within their power to do such as:

- Fixing drop rates of items
- Updating in-game shops
- Returning double-vanguards
- 100% Gear XP = 100% Enchant Success (more BHS issue but still needs to be brought up)
- Either help KitTeaCup get a computer to play Tera (that Mac doesn't cut it) and learn about Tera, or get rid of her and replace her with someone who does.
- Also, EME staff that oversees Tera should actually sit down and play this game without developer tools or mods in order to get a feeling for what it's like being a normal player.

These among other things like asking EME to remove the cancer that is Xigncode goes without saying at this point, as well as permitting DPS meters too, and asking that they work with the devs of the proxies to make an accepted, in-game version of the proxies so they can continue to play here is probably too little to late at this point.

It's going to take an 11th hour miracle to turn this catastrophe around, and at this point I'm not sure if even that is going to really fix this.
Meningitis wrote: »
sanj66 wrote: »
what do you think was the plan, they left this thread friday night when they left the office as the excuse for not replying yet we've seen in the past staff reply on weekends, then they'll say flaming blah blah blah shut down the thread and never fix anything.
If that is truly the case, they baited us well because they know most of the community can't actually act like adults for even five minutes.

Truth be told most of us can, there are just a select few people that have the self-discipline of a spoiled 9 year old that cannot help themselves from kicking up as much dirt as possible. These people just can't seem to get by without an IV injection of drama on these forms it seems. If EME wanted to prove this point, well, they did an exceptionally good job with this thread.
I'm pretty sure there was no proxy's when this game came out, and people got by just fine. Gotta suck it up and learn how to play fair. Plain and simple.
TERA PC - General Discussion#440 Equitas10/01/2018, 03:04 AM
I see more people decided to drop my name. Don't worry, senpai has noticed you.
LancerJiva wrote: »
I'm pretty sure there was no proxy's when this game came out, and people got by just fine. Gotta suck it up and learn how to play fair. Plain and simple.

To be fair, there have been some issues that have arisen since then. The network has gotten considerably worse. I know that isn't on me, because I've upgraded since then.
TERA PC - General Discussion#441 TJukuren10/01/2018, 03:07 AM
LancerJiva wrote: »
I'm pretty sure there was no proxy's when this game came out, and people got by just fine. Gotta suck it up and learn how to play with unbearable ping and lag issues making the game almost unplayable. Plain and simple.

Fixed that for you. Also, back when the game first came out the servers were quite stable, so there was never a need for proxy back then.
look like integrity person? common knowledge that proxy will return because of others but look like they want to just peacefully support game~part_2.png

other has say that developer will release things like auto delete inventory gbank and character for those who continue on na.
look how behavior is after true color reveal! if they really care they will leave for others to continue but look like they want to do much destruction. took two day to happen!
TERA PC - General Discussion#443 llllll10/01/2018, 03:23 AM
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
look like integrity person? common knowledge that proxy will return because of others but look like they want to just peacefully support game~part_2.png

other has say that developer will release things like auto delete inventory gbank and character for those who continue on na.
look how behavior is after true color reveal! if they really care they will leave for others to continue but look like they want to do much destruction. took two day to happen!

I don't understand. He's literally threatening people to stop supporting proxy on NA. Isn't that what you want?
TJukuren wrote: »
LancerJiva wrote: »
I'm pretty sure there was no proxy's when this game came out, and people got by just fine. Gotta suck it up and learn how to play with unbearable ping and lag issues making the game almost unplayable. Plain and simple.

Fixed that for you. Also, back when the game first came out the servers were quite stable, so there was never a need for proxy back then.

No lag here, 12-40 ping. So must be your net or pc.
TERA PC - General Discussion#445 Saabi10/01/2018, 03:27 AM
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
look like integrity person? common knowledge that proxy will return because of others but look like they want to just peacefully support game~part_2.png

other has say that developer will release things like auto delete inventory gbank and character for those who continue on na.
look how behavior is after true color reveal! if they really care they will leave for others to continue but look like they want to do much destruction. took two day to happen!

You're missing a crucial part of the story. There were people trying to build a new proxy using Caali's work as base without asking permission. Caali retaliated by saying he was gonna block or do whatever he was implying if they used his work, after he stated he's no longer supporting NA proxy. Which I can take as, he doesn't want any of his work being used for any proxy for NA Tera. Take that for what you will.

Anyways, I'm interested to see how eme recovers from this one.
TERA PC - General Discussion#446 ManamiC10/01/2018, 03:28 AM
I actually just saw that myself. I get they're angry with the DMCA illegal or not, it looks pretty scummy but I guess its justified that they are upset? Regardless I had friends that did move to EU and friends that still want to play on NA and are optimistic that something may resurface. It's (the picture you posted) is probably a meme but I would advise them to not touch these things for some time. I never used proxy personally but I was surprised with how many friends I knew relied on it. After reading the forums I have been quite conflicted with what my true opinion is on this entire situation, hopefully everything works out down the line and my favorite game will last for at least a couple more years.

TERA PC - General Discussion#447 TJukuren10/01/2018, 03:31 AM
LancerJiva wrote: »
TJukuren wrote: »
LancerJiva wrote: »
I'm pretty sure there was no proxy's when this game came out, and people got by just fine. Gotta suck it up and learn how to play with unbearable ping and lag issues making the game almost unplayable. Plain and simple.

Fixed that for you. Also, back when the game first came out the servers were quite stable, so there was never a need for proxy back then.

No lag here, 12-40 ping. So must be your net or pc.

Yah, anyone having lag and ping issues, it MUST be their pc/net. Pure ignorance
TERA PC - General Discussion#448 zenpiax10/01/2018, 03:35 AM
I'm hoping caali is actually not trolling and just nukes down everybody accounts in NA Tera so the game can finally rest in peace.
Saabi wrote: »
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
look like integrity person? common knowledge that proxy will return because of others but look like they want to just peacefully support game~part_2.png

other has say that developer will release things like auto delete inventory gbank and character for those who continue on na.
look how behavior is after true color reveal! if they really care they will leave for others to continue but look like they want to do much destruction. took two day to happen!

You're missing a crucial part of the story. There were people trying to build a new proxy using Caali's work as base without asking permission. Caali retaliated by saying he was gonna block or do whatever he was implying if they used his work, after he stated he's no longer supporting NA proxy.

Surely I'm not the only one who sees the irony of this.
TERA PC - General Discussion#450 Jerichow10/01/2018, 03:39 AM
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
look like integrity person? common knowledge that proxy will return because of others but look like they want to just peacefully support game~part_2.png

other has say that developer will release things like auto delete inventory gbank and character for those who continue on na.
look how behavior is after true color reveal! if they really care they will leave for others to continue but look like they want to do much destruction. took two day to happen!

Can you honestly blame him though? With all of the hundreds, thousands of hours he and others put into fixing a game that wasn't even theirs - and the response they got after years of hard work that was a direct help in keeping the player base as high as it has been, is to get a DCMA strike against him and have all of that work thrown out the window?

For what? EME's hubris?


If he really followed through with it, people might hate me for this - but I wouldn't blame him at all. EME is basically looking at all of the work he and others did to help this game, and spitting in his face for it as they raked in thousands upon thousands of dollars in profit from people who would have otherwise never played Tera in NA.

THAT in my opinion is the real crime being committed here - These guys put in thousands of hours of expert-level work compared to EME who sat on their laurels the whole time, while raking in the profits and reaped the benefits of the proxy dev's work, only to turn around and throw the book at them as thanks.
Saabi wrote: »
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
look like integrity person? common knowledge that proxy will return because of others but look like they want to just peacefully support game~part_2.png

other has say that developer will release things like auto delete inventory gbank and character for those who continue on na.
look how behavior is after true color reveal! if they really care they will leave for others to continue but look like they want to do much destruction. took two day to happen!

You're missing a crucial part of the story. There were people trying to build a new proxy using Caali's work as base without asking permission. Caali retaliated by saying he was gonna block or do whatever he was implying if they used his work, after he stated he's no longer supporting NA proxy.

Surely I'm not the only one who sees the irony of this.

Nope, you are not. It's kinda funny and sad at the same time.
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Its not really irony, its a way to protect himself. If they use his work as a basis for a new proxy he can still be held liable.

I dont use proxy, no game is worth that, but from what ive known and read, if they make their own proxy from scratch, he will do nothing.

He wants his hands and his tools away from Tera NA permanently and will seemingly do everything he can to erase his presence from it.

If ppl use his things, its liable to come back on him, better to burn the slate clean.

Sans the "threats" because im fully aware people will use it as ammo, thats exactly what i would do, purge all of it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#452 Robot2210/01/2018, 03:48 AM
Emme need you need the optimizated the game
TERA PC - General Discussion#453 Arnetra10/01/2018, 03:58 AM
This whole situation is glorious. I'm still not convinced this will actually kill proxy, but I had long hoped to see the day where proxy users would be utterly and completely btfo, would be quite cathartic to see some fun messages in chat on the 16th. There's just something special about seeing people who think they're untouchable have their world shattered, especially if they act like entitled children all the way down. May have to resub elite for a month or two to show my support if it happens.

Also, you know proxy has been all about the money for a long time and not "improving the player experience" as I so often hear, because as soon as the dude thinks he may get in legal trouble, he effs off, but nobody else is allowed to "help the players" in his place, and anyone who tries to keep using it gets screwed too. God forbid someone else earn money off "his" work, oh, I mean "help the players." This games community is pathetic, I'll never not laugh when I see someone defend this Caali dude as being on the side of the players when the dude has said he'll [filtered] in your mouth as long as it gets back at EME for daring to tell him to [filtered] off from profiting off something that isn't his. No sense of irony complaining about getting DMCAed and then whining about someone else distributing proxy.
TERA PC - General Discussion#454 Kira9810/01/2018, 04:07 AM
@Arnetra ya, what is your ping? 250 300 or 450ms? If you play with thats ms and still say that sh.it.. You are.....
TERA PC - General Discussion#455 Saabi10/01/2018, 04:07 AM
Arnetra wrote: »
This whole situation is glorious. I'm still not convinced this will actually kill proxy, but I had long hoped to see the day where proxy users would be utterly and completely btfo, would be quite cathartic to see some fun messages in chat on the 16th. There's just something special about seeing people who think they're untouchable have their world shattered, especially if they act like entitled children all the way down. May have to resub elite for a month or two to show my support if it happens.

Also, you know proxy has been all about the money for a long time and not "improving the player experience" as I so often hear, because as soon as the dude thinks he may get in legal trouble, he effs off, but nobody else is allowed to "help the players" in his place, and anyone who tries to keep using it gets screwed too. God forbid someone else earn money off "his" work, oh, I mean "help the players." This games community is pathetic, I'll never not laugh when I see someone defend this Caali dude as being on the side of the players when the dude has said he'll [filtered] in your mouth as long as it gets back at EME for daring to tell him to [filtered] off from profiting off something that isn't his. No sense of irony complaining about getting DMCAed and then whining about someone else distributing proxy.

Misinformation. Caali was actually responsible for maintaining and updating many QoL mods and his proxy all for the price of $0. You are confusing him with others who charge for their mods [You may have heard of them, but shall not be named by me]. Those of which were completely unaffected by Caali being DMCA'd as they could potentially just build and sell their own proxy and with their own modules that they would also sell. Which again, Caali charged for none of this and he maintained many significant mods that were very beneficial.
TERA PC - General Discussion#456 Vabe10/01/2018, 04:13 AM
I will gladly eat caali massive, steamy and chunky feces without thinking and as long as he put us all out of our misery by just blowing up everyone accounts and deleting all trace of their existence. After that we can all move on to better things in our lives. Caali is our only true savior and I know he will cleanse us all from our sins.
TERA PC - General Discussion#457 ElinUsagi10/01/2018, 04:16 AM
Saabi wrote: »
73K5HJREXP wrote: »
look like integrity person? common knowledge that proxy will return because of others but look like they want to just peacefully support game~part_2.png

other has say that developer will release things like auto delete inventory gbank and character for those who continue on na.
look how behavior is after true color reveal! if they really care they will leave for others to continue but look like they want to do much destruction. took two day to happen!

You're missing a crucial part of the story. There were people trying to build a new proxy using Caali's work as base without asking permission. Caali retaliated by saying he was gonna block or do whatever he was implying if they used his work, after he stated he's no longer supporting NA proxy. Which I can take as, he doesn't want any of his work being used for any proxy for NA Tera. Take that for what you will.

Anyways, I'm interested to see how eme recovers from this one.

He doesnt want his work being used by others without his permision but he wants to use BHS work to profit without BHS permision.

What an hipocrital being, tipical from a criminal that should just be in jail.
TERA PC - General Discussion#458 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 04:21 AM
oh yes soooo beneficial that he now threatens to nuke peoples accounts for making him suffer. Him when he could of simply played the game and been a obedient player not deciding to test and break and put [filtered] in the game and mess with its coding. When he chose to do this [filtered] on his own free will and now he's being held accountable by the terms he signed and agreed to. so here's what i say to you and any other proxy player who did this to "try and help the tera community." [filtered] YOU GUYS. [filtered] YOUR hard work [filtered] YOU FOR THINKING YOU WERE DOING A FAV OR AND [filtered] and any other third party programmer who thought they had a right to meddle in a game they didn't belong in despite saying we agree to these terms. fun fact here if calli nukes everyones accounts like he's threatening to do. he'll actually be legally responsible and actually held accountable in a court of law. and he will definitely lose the case if that ever happens so I hope he enjoys his time in jail! and they it won't be light sentencing either!
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He charged exactly 0$ for it. So...never.
TERA PC - General Discussion#460 metagame10/01/2018, 04:35 AM
Vabe wrote: »
It's happening boys NA Tera will die one way or the other. We will be finally free from EME shackles, rally up my brothers and sisters. Don't let caali sacrifice be in vain!
if you think that this "minor item duplication bug" will kill na, what's to say people won't take this to other versions of the game and kill those as well?
TERA PC - General Discussion#461 drkmosc10/01/2018, 04:40 AM
Since we are posting discord pics i wanna join too

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(names are censored to not reveal the identity of this very despicable dev)
TERA PC - General Discussion#462 ItzMirai10/01/2018, 04:41 AM
drkmosc wrote: »
Since we are posting discord pics i wanna join too
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please stop derailing the thread even more... how many times do people gotta say this
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Reaper Discord.
TERA PC - General Discussion#464 drkmosc10/01/2018, 04:44 AM
ItzMirai wrote: »
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Since we are posting discord pics i wanna join too
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please stop derailing the thread even more... how many times do people gotta say this

I don't understand, what's there to discuss here? Like honestly? What?
TERA PC - General Discussion#465 6R1MM01R310/01/2018, 04:47 AM
drkmosc wrote: »
ItzMirai wrote: »
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Since we are posting discord pics i wanna join too
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please stop derailing the thread even more... how many times do people gotta say this

I don't understand, what's there to discuss here? Like honestly? What?

You could make your own thread to post random, irrelevant crap.
TERA PC - General Discussion#466 Saabi10/01/2018, 04:50 AM
I like how ElinUsagi totally avoided my post explaining that Caali does not profit with money (which means he does not receive legal tender: pesos, euros, dollars, won, jewels or even sticks and stones; i dont know any other way to explain it to the forum trolls) in exchange for proxy or any of his mods. Can't wait to laugh at how masterfully EME is gonna dodge this issue of the game being a ghost town. I can't get runs for anything now it sucks but I guess this game's time has come, it's time to move on I guess?
TERA PC - General Discussion#467 FODOKCH10/01/2018, 04:50 AM
BlueKoR wrote: »
oh yes soooo beneficial that he now threatens to nuke peoples accounts for making him suffer. Him when he could of simply played the game and been a obedient player not deciding to test and break and put [filtered] in the game and mess with its coding. When he chose to do this [filtered] on his own free will and now he's being held accountable by the terms he signed and agreed to. so here's what i say to you and any other proxy player who did this to "try and help the tera community." [filtered] YOU GUYS. [filtered] YOUR hard work [filtered] YOU FOR THINKING YOU WERE DOING A FAV OR AND [filtered] and any other third party programmer who thought they had a right to meddle in a game they didn't belong in despite saying we agree to these terms. fun fact here if calli nukes everyones accounts like he's threatening to do. he'll actually be legally responsible and actually held accountable in a court of law. and he will definitely lose the case if that ever happens so I hope he enjoys his time in jail! and they it won't be light sentencing either!

LOL ur [filtered], give me a good answer after this math: Is it possible to complete AAH with only 1,8 M / s in 10 min the last boss? my combo without proxy is about ~ 8 secs, with proxy ~ 5 secs, ok probably ur thinking oh only 3 secs, lets do some math: for example my scythe hits 6M; 1min = 60 secs; 60 secs with proxy / 5 secs = 12 scythes * 6M = 72M per min or 1.2M / s; now WITHOUT PROXY; 60 / 8secs = 7.5 scythes * 6M = 45M per min or 750K / s we have a reduction of DPS in 37.5%, Proxy was needed to HIGH DG's like AAHM, RKE, because we have few minutes to burn the boss, proxy saved the new dungeon, because without proxy, it will be impossible to clear, give to us A GOOD REASON to play without proxy, because in my opinion, saved this game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#468 Vabe10/01/2018, 04:51 AM
I love how you are asking for people to not derailed the thread but at this point there is no saving this thread from deraling. Its already off tracks from several pages back. This is an absolute shitstorm.
And to answer @drkmosc there is still one important issue that needs to be discuss and it is if NA Tera will die before or after Oct. 16
The uncertainty is smoldering!!!
TERA PC - General Discussion#469 Saabi10/01/2018, 04:55 AM
I don't know why it's such an inconceivable notion for them to have worked with the proxy devs to try and reach an official version of the beneficial mods they provided, instead of heavy handedly taking legal issue to someone who, despite all the terms of service mumbo jumbo, fixed very crucial issues present in TERA. Skill Prediction is very important and is needed for this game's combat system. Its works similarly to how fighting games manage their netcode for smooth gameplay.
TERA PC - General Discussion#470 Saabi10/01/2018, 04:56 AM
But then again, blind corporate slaves and white knights for companies who don't care about them is found everywhere. Nintendo fanboys, Apple fanboys, and now EME fanboys. I don't know how you guys live with yourselves and your stockholm syndrome
TERA PC - General Discussion#471 Huv10/01/2018, 04:56 AM
EME about to come back on monday with a 30 page thread. :^) this is great, theyll just ignore us or give some standard eme statement.
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Glad you agree with me :^)
TERA PC - General Discussion#473 zenpiax10/01/2018, 05:01 AM
After 80% of the comments on this thread get deleted all that's left will be like 2-3 pages with no complains, just praises on a job well done by EME. Should be an easy and pleasant read.

TERA PC - General Discussion#474 Huv10/01/2018, 05:09 AM
Or it will be closed the moment they get back to their office because the most recent comment happens to be slightly *Off-topic*
You honestly think some of them arent reading this obvious bait and containment thread after dropping it on a friday, you guys are nuts.

They are reading it, and are going to ignore most of it in favor of the derailing, snide, arrogant comments so they dont have to listen to the better collected posts.

I tagged them in my post because i wanted them to see that post because i feel thats the only way itll even get attention from them on how i feel.

This thread was a trap and a failure just like before, the same people using hypocritical /racists/ baseless arguments/trolling/derailing and ignoring anything that contradicts or shows they flat out lied.

This [filtered] had to happen right before Apex 2 too.
BlueKoR wrote: »
oh yes soooo beneficial that he now threatens to nuke peoples accounts for making him suffer. Him when he could of simply played the game and been a obedient player not deciding to test and break and put [filtered] in the game and mess with its coding. When he chose to do this [filtered] on his own free will and now he's being held accountable by the terms he signed and agreed to. so here's what i say to you and any other proxy player who did this to "try and help the tera community." [filtered] YOU GUYS. [filtered] YOUR hard work [filtered] YOU FOR THINKING YOU WERE DOING A FAV OR AND [filtered] and any other third party programmer who thought they had a right to meddle in a game they didn't belong in despite saying we agree to these terms. fun fact here if calli nukes everyones accounts like he's threatening to do. he'll actually be legally responsible and actually held accountable in a court of law. and he will definitely lose the case if that ever happens so I hope he enjoys his time in jail! and they it won't be light sentencing either!

You just reached a level of delusion never seen before.

Let me guess, you run trash tier dungeon with trash tier plays? The way you write tells everyone that you don't play Tera as deeply.
Don't speak when you don't know anything. You are deluded by mEME, end of story.

If you need further proof of our frustration, look at PUBG (Developed by you guessed it, BHS). If they can't even get a game that has more success than Dota 2 right, what makes you think they will do Tera well.
TERA PC - General Discussion#477 EhnoKai10/01/2018, 07:16 AM
Saabi wrote: »
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Can't wait to laugh at how masterfully EME is gonna dodge this issue of the game being a ghost town. I can't get runs for anything now it sucks but I guess this game's time has come, it's time to move on I guess?

The 65 population on EU is growing as people move to NA, while leveling you can clearly see people who are from NA all over the place attempting to get 65, getting to highwatch also shows people who've managed to get to 65 in the whole fiasco so far.

I couldn't get runs for anything on NA either but EU seems promising at the moment if anything.

Oh and if anything Saabi, Gold talents are 13g each, Darics are 45g and Plates are 185g on Mystel as of this writing.

Also saw like someone getting 2k golden plates from using a strongbox key yesterday ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TERA PC - General Discussion#478 Saabi10/01/2018, 07:20 AM
EhnoKai wrote: »
Saabi wrote: »
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Can't wait to laugh at how masterfully EME is gonna dodge this issue of the game being a ghost town. I can't get runs for anything now it sucks but I guess this game's time has come, it's time to move on I guess?

The 65 population on EU is growing as people move to NA, while leveling you can clearly see people who are from NA all over the place attempting to get 65, getting to highwatch also shows people who've managed to get to 65 in the whole fiasco so far.

I couldn't get runs for anything on NA either but EU seems promising at the moment if anything.

Oh and if anything Saabi, Gold talents are 13g each, Darics are 45g and Plates are 185g on Mystel as of this writing.

Also saw like someone getting 2k golden plates from using a strongbox key yesterday ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's a slim to none chance of me rolling on EU. I don't want to grind from nothing to max again, considering how much I have built on NA. It's either I play extremely casually since the population has gone or I just quit the game. It was fun while it lasted.
TERA PC - General Discussion#479 jongbae10/01/2018, 07:27 AM
Saabi wrote: »
It's a slim to none chance of me rolling on EU. I don't want to grind from nothing to max again, considering how much I have built on NA. It's either I play extremely casually since the population has gone or I just quit the game. It was fun while it lasted.

Think most of us are in this position. Sadly, after playing this game for 4 years it's sad it didn't die because players lost interest but because their own publisher couldn't manage it correctly.
TERA PC - General Discussion#480 Pwhoops10/01/2018, 08:14 AM
P.S. Many people have derailed the topic a bit, do us all a favor and instead of deleting/locking the thread - just simply delete the unnecessary messages. Also, read and respond to your community, thank you!
TERA PC - General Discussion#481 Narukko10/01/2018, 08:37 AM
On eu i get insta ques even for leveling dungs on a dps so why na? Memes
TERA PC - General Discussion#482 buffons10/01/2018, 08:44 AM
Here's some more feed back and I think this is as good a place to put it as any, since there is 0 chance eme will read everything in these last 3 days. This is taken from this thread here: https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/29178/you-had-enough-feedback-already/p1 and someone was kind enough to save it here: https://i.imgur.com/o6FaALy.jpg

A list of eme screwups just in September alone. That is an astounding amount of failures and if eme has any self respect left or care about their jobs/game they would be wise to do some serious self reflection. But who am I kidding right?
drkmosc wrote: »
ItzMirai wrote: »
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Since we are posting discord pics i wanna join too
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please stop derailing the thread even more... how many times do people gotta say this

I don't understand, what's there to discuss here? Like honestly? What?

Yes hi. Gameforge moderators / GMs are actually in a healthy terms with devs that work on proxy and get reports of such exploits constantly and ways to fix them, hence there is no fear whatsoever about exploits. They just have communication set and done for it. Hell, devs dont even have to hide their names and reach out from alt accounts
So if anyone from Eme reads this (I can't even believe I'm suggesting someone will xD) - stop reading after I think around 25 pages of posts. 90% that comes afterwards is not worth to read as it i is - you guessed it - people who have no idea what a discussion is, try to compare their e-manhoods and... actually I want for someone to read that and maybe at least honor the part of the inintial post where it was stated that there will be actions taken against such people. Not a chance though, right?
Would be nice to see at least one promise from Eme to be fullfilled. Sigh.

Seeing as it's monday and they should get to office soon and have "OFFICIAL" access to forum and not just read it on their phones or whatever, I'm just wondering what will happen right now.
WIll the devs close this topic off the bat and act as it never happened.
Or will we get a "We have read all your posts and took the feedback to our hearts. We promise you that we will take all the steps necessary to make the game as best as possilbe for all ouf you cause we care so much, etc. bla bla bla" Which would pretty much mean they read nothing as I'm clearly making fun of that approach right now and they didn't see it.So neither the 20+ pages at the beginning or even the last few before they show up would have been read.

To all that posted their thoughts and concerns - Nice job. Thanks for taking your time to do it.
For all the trolls that came here only to flame, act as asses, misread posts on purpose, cause misinformation, and I'm sure they all are aware of whom I'm speaking, even without posting names - grow up.
Days of trolls under the bridge being a hindrance to people are way behind us. Not sure what you get out of this but from me only thing you can get is a shake of the head and maybe a bit of pity.

To Eme Staff - I'm "thrilled" to see how you will respond.
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4PM EST Sunday.

I hope that this will not become irreversible.

The best of luck, friends.
TERA PC - General Discussion#486 Xerses10/01/2018, 10:30 AM
Anyone have a flow chart to show EME how this is going affect their game?
LancerJiva wrote: »
TJukuren wrote: »
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I'm pretty sure there was no proxy's when this game came out, and people got by just fine. Gotta suck it up and learn how to play with unbearable ping and lag issues making the game almost unplayable. Plain and simple.

Fixed that for you. Also, back when the game first came out the servers were quite stable, so there was never a need for proxy back then.

No lag here, 12-40 ping. So must be your net or pc.

So you are lucky enough to not be affected I hope you realize you are truly a minority. I know you in game and I know you don't grind stuff like we do, and I also know you don't know the struggles we go through to grind those things.

You are a low ping lancer, have you ever thought of your other lancer buddies that have over 70ms? 70 is not even a ridiculous number but it's enough to flip bosses 180 around.

Ignoring valid issues just because it doesn't apply to you, I don't know if it is the right word sorry for bad English but I think it's called being delusional.

Now if you think this isn't going to affect you just because you don't use any of the mods, well maybe you're right in that sense. But would it affect you that a newly merged server is nearly empty? Don't forget about all the essences you've bought, with all the actual endgame player leaving, are you affected? And as a result of the decrease in population the economy is even more screwed than it is right now, would you be concerned?
Now if you think this isn't going to affect you just because you don't use any of the mods, well maybe you're right in that sense. But would it affect you that a newly merged server is nearly empty? Don't forget about all the essences you've bought, with all the actual endgame player leaving, are you affected? And as a result of the decrease in population the economy is even more screwed than it is right now, would you be concerned?

I am not sure exactly why some players need to get hit by the tornado directly to understand what is going on but the consequence is the same for all of us regardless of when we get hit.

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I should spend more time in game and have fun than on forums being worried and looking for answers.

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I don’t grind mats because I don’t have the time to do so. I don’t play all day like I used to. A thing called real life has taken over. I play when I can. I know people who have high ping and have adapted and gotten used to it perfectly fine. -shrugs- from here on out we will just see what happens I guess.
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-shrugs- from here on out we will just see what happens I guess.

Yeah I guess we will have to see. But by the time we see what happens, it would already be too late to fix if the outcomes are not desirable. And quite frankly I don't think it will turn out well. As someone else pointed out in another thread and I could not worded that myself any better: this is affecting the dedicated players and their casual friends.

Dedicated players as in the ones that spends 20 30 even 40 hours in this game, dedicated players as in the ones that supports eme financially, and of course not just dedicated players because lots of casuals are also caught in this because their friends left.

Same as teaching kids training animals etc, for every no there has to be a yes. So unless they provide alternatives to proxy and shinra, it really wasn't a good decision to pull a dmca on 3rd parties.
TERA PC - General Discussion#491 FODOKCH10/01/2018, 11:52 AM
LancerJiva wrote: »
-shrugs- from here on out we will just see what happens I guess.

Yeah I guess we will have to see. But by the time we see what happens, it would already be too late to fix if the outcomes are not desirable. And quite frankly I don't think it will turn out well. As someone else pointed out in another thread and I could not worded that myself any better: this is affecting the dedicated players and their casual friends.

Dedicated players as in the ones that spends 20 30 even 40 hours in this game, dedicated players as in the ones that supports eme financially, and of course not just dedicated players because lots of casuals are also caught in this because their friends left.

Same as teaching kids training animals etc, for every no there has to be a yes. So unless they provide alternatives to proxy and shinra, it really wasn't a good decision to pull a dmca on 3rd parties.

yes, first they had to find a solution and then dmca the proxy
FODOKCH wrote: »
yes, first they had to find a solution and then dmca the proxy

Knowing this game and seeing how they do things for the past 6 years, I would love to believe but it is kind of difficult to even imagine that they would provide any kind of fix to this.

TERA PC - General Discussion#493 Starkhoe10/01/2018, 12:18 PM
Jerichow wrote: »
And now we have people like @ElinUsagi , @Starkhoe , @Equitas and a few others that have contributed pages of attacks against each other, that does absolutely nothing to contribute to the topic at hand... So yeah... thanks for derailing the thread with your petty and childish ego trips... Keep giving EME more reason to discredit the forum community why don't you?

Well someone on a high horse lol well dear @Jerichow the people you mentioned, including myself, have in fact been talking about this topic. For someone that claims to follow this thread, you seemed to have overlooked afew things. For example in terms of who "attacked" who, I haven't even spoken with Equitas on this thread. The person I attacked was someone else entirely. Forgot who it was tho and i`m too lazy to check. He wasn't interesting enough for me to remember. Tho since your the so called "expert" on how this thread is suppose to work, then by all means, go ahead and look for him, if it matters this much to you. I did however address ElinUsagi. That was correct. Tho alas, it was a quick engagement and it was more of an exchange of opinions, then it was an "attack".

Anyway. I don`t like wasting time on wannabe "objective people" like yourself, which are so desperate for someone to give them something new to parrot. People like you suck the fun out of everything. Tho sure. Since you asked, i`ll address your concern this one time. To be perfectly honest with you, I only reply here for my own amusement. I actually left Tera NA, along with the guild I was in. I`m sticking around for sheer amusement. So you see, I don`t care if my comments or other peoples comments makes the thread seem a certain way, and I do not take anything or anyone here too seriously. Not you, not them, and especially not EME. However, since you asked, fact is I wouldn't be able to derail this subject even if I wanted too. And neither would the other people you mentioned. This topic is bigger then us. You see? its all good. Don't sweat it, millennial power ranger. This thread isn't going anywhere and EME cannot ignore this subject, even if they wanted too.
TERA PC - General Discussion#494 RKC10/01/2018, 12:44 PM
We dont have servers to actually merge. This means if the servers are empty its basically the end of TERA.
> @FODOKCH said:
> yes, first they had to find a solution and then dmca the proxy

This this this so much. Eme had every right to take down the proxy and fight against it. But will this do them any good, if they don't bother to implement what proxy has gave us?
But they are so ignorant, thinking that removing proxy will stop their problems. Big exploiters/botters know how to map opcodes on their own, they will continue to exploit and xigncode obviously does nothing to stop them considering eme had to file a dmca notice on their own LOL how embarassing.

Ping compensation, fps utils, shinra, tcc, auto vanguard, skip cutsecene, chat timestamps and various other qol fixes could be integrated into the game. They could replace proxy and literally make people not use it. If they took the time and effort to maybe work with the devs, or at the very least for bhs to apply these fixes on their own there would be no need for proxy.
These are the things community has been asking for since tera came out. The proxy is a result of the community taking things in their own hands, just shows how much people care about this game and want it to improve, while being ignored consistently by eme and bhs. Proxy is the result of eme not listening to constructive criticism.

So eme, on October 16th once the proxy support ends, will you provide the community with what has been taken away? Or will you toss it aside like all of your other promises? Are you even aware how many people stayed ingame because of these tools and how many would have left ages ago if it weren't for those tools?
TERA PC - General Discussion#496 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 02:13 PM
Alright people calling me delusional? You are the delusional ones. You think, that these those who have been exploiting the game and coming in and messing with files. Are here to help you and the other thousands of other Tera players. Play the game because they are nice people? People who just want to help the community against the big Bad enmasse because Enmasse won't fix anything. when in reality here is the situation. The people are invading the game, messing with the game files and giving out proxy all of them are here for their own gain. they are not here to help you play the game better, they are not here to improve Tera for the people! they are not vigilante's and outlaws on the outside of the law helping to help take the fight to Enmasse and force them to improve their game. they are rule breakers. they are cheaters they are people who in one way or another are benefiting themselves while providing a service to exploit the game.

they are not doing this for the benefit for the Tera community although that maybe something that is happening as the result of their exploiting! they are here for themselves that's it. They are learning how to exploit the video game which will have coding and programming similar to other mmorpgs where once this game dies. they will make their way over to those games and hack and exploit them if they can because it is there hobby, they wanna learn and get better at programming and how to mess with the game files and they do this for fun, some for money, some because they hate the company, and some because they think they're doing good when in actuality they are just parasites. taking the work and programming of others and rewriting it for their own wants and desires.

you people blame enmasse for when Bern or whatever the [filtered] his name was went to them and said "hey you guys there's a guy here whose gonna exploit your work in this manner this way etc let me help." and then you treat him like he was innocent! " he was just trying to help the game man!" but here is a great question. Why would I let someone who broke my terms of services, my rules that I put down in a term of agreement and they agreed to not break but then go completely out of their way to exploit the game and hack it while also selling proxies on the side for money.

Why in hell would I let a third party programmer. Have access to the game when they've already been exploiting. Another scenario why the hell would I [filtered] listen to them? You don't know their true intentions. in that scenario Bern was trying to get back his work that he helped some other people make and when they took it from him he only decided to go get help because his effort went to waste. Is that really the kind of person. You wanna trust when they were already selling proxies to people for money in your game breaking the rules established?

Many of you only see the good things they've done " they gave us proxy to allows us to have lower pings hurrah praise them for being good!" When you, who are now exploiting the game to play it. are no better than those who abuse injector to cheat the game. Let me be honest. I don't give a [filtered] if Proxy is a necessary for you so you can play the game. So you can get your fix on your tera addictions. you are now breaking the terms of agreement and thus you need to held accountable. what kind of message would it send if Enmasse just said "well we have all these people breaking our game and rules lets just stay passive and see what happens!" as a company you do that and that opens the way for more 3rd party programmers to start making their way here. For example the bots we see now today. In 2014-2016 there were no bots that were a issue that would spam the game chat.we had a few times the forums would get flooded by something but the problem got taken care of quickly and without issue. but In 2017 and 2018 when proxy and people who used proxy started become more rampant and appearing in the game after enmasse started letting things like memeslash exist, or letting people put proxy in the game without a true 100% method to deal with it. we then now have opened the gateway for more exploiters, and more things to come through and very much ruin the game experience for people. because Now Enmasse is seen as weak, easily accessibly and a perfect place to go in and exploit or mess with making it a hackers paradise!

we now have bots in the game, we now have more people exploiting and breaking it that makes up more than half of this community. almost everyone today uses proxy because it is better for them personally to use it. meanwhile there are players who are playing the game fairly now having to deal with the [filtered] of seeing everyone around them cheating the game. You the tera players. keep asking enmasse to fix the issue but the issue here is they are not able to tackle this problem efficiently. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW! what kind of money enmasse is pulling in. how many players are left actually playing the game, we don't know what their costs are for running the company, how much it costs to rent the severs out in Chicago,Europe,and Korea, How much it costs them to pay their employee's and how much it takes to program and design new things. we simply do not know anything about the company because it is private and its privately invested.

The reason half the bosses and mobs we see in Tera are rehashed as content. Is because it is a lot cheaper to keep rehashing a boss or dungeon or design then making or designing something completely new to play. You people complaining for better connections and things? YOU GET TO PLAY FOR FREE. You're not paying them money monthly to have a good connection and even if you are paying to support the game through elite or through EMP you are doing this on your own whim. It is not Enmassess job to make it so you have the best lowest pings and best fps you can get. it is their job to provide the service and access to their video game. which they already do. the issue of "my ping is bad." is simply on you and your area of living. if you wanna continue to pay them 15$ a month for elite perks thats all you get your elite perks they don' need to go lets build servers in South America or wherever else to compensate for you. It would definitely be beneficial to them do that making people more willing to spend money ona game they enjoy. but plenty of other people connect fine to the game and as unfair as that is you're SoL. Enmasse is not Blizzard North, or any other large mmorpg company. i sincerely doubt Tera has raked in as much money compared to many of these other mmorpgs. in fact there was a huge lay off along time for enmasse entertainment where they fired a bunch of their employees. So how is the company actually doing right now no one has a [filtered] clue. only enmasse knows how they are doing.
So much QQ in this post.

You all knew proxies were against the TOS.

You proxy users are now on the same playing field as everybody else now.

You need to time your rotations better now (like everyone else and not have a proxy hold your hand)

Accept it and move on.
Get real.

People who played with proxy aren't going to keep playing without it. Yes, it's against tos, but you don't exactly have the benefit of a depth of players to start making moves like this. Thousands of players? The game averages mid to low 1000 daily, not even a tenth of what other steam MMOs log.

Face it. EME screwed up. Come the 16th the last of the competitive population will be gone since most just wanted the meter, and there isn't going to be much left
TERA PC - General Discussion#499 Lolitaa10/01/2018, 02:30 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
Alright people calling me delusional? You are the delusional ones. You think, that these tho.....

why do you have such a long a stick up your bum in regards to breaking tos? like its really hurting you that badly? that seems to be your main concern, that it's breaking tos.

the "my ping is bad." part is true. because of my location, it is ridiculous. and in this day and age where we have the tech and knowledge to fix that issue, I should not be punished for my location
cheat
verb
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage

majority of proxy users don't "cheat". because basic sp doesn't actually give an advantage over low ping players.
we aren't exploiting [filtered].
we are playing how the game was intended to be played.
omegalul
TERA PC - General Discussion#500 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 02:30 PM
EME screwed up? the people who screwed up were the ones who decided to use proxy play the game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#501 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 02:31 PM
Look the issue here is a lack of resources to handle the situation correctly. again no one knows how succesful enmasse is doing as a company currently.
TERA PC - General Discussion#502 Solheim10/01/2018, 02:36 PM
So much QQ in this post.

You all knew proxies were against the TOS.

You proxy users are now on the same playing field as everybody else now.

You need to time your rotations better now (like everyone else and not have a proxy hold your hand)

Accept it and move on.

The issue I have with this is that it's impossible to have a "level playing field" in a game as ping reliant as Tera. People have been asking for something to be implemented to the game to address the ping tax on certain skills/classes as well as the desyncs (lancer onslaught) that ping can cause, and nothing has been done. Proxy came about to address issues like this. Admittedly it's against ToS, but people just want "a level playing field" and EME/BHS made it clear year after year they weren't going to create one so people looked elsewhere. Yes, some people took it too far. Everyone I know who used proxy was only using it either to bypass the spyware they forced on us or to not have ping issues they would have had otherwise.
TERA PC - General Discussion#503 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 02:38 PM
A action combat game like Tera would always be reliant on ping. the only reason proxy exists and is in this game is because the programming is not good and when people found that out alot of people began to exploit it. 100% Proxy shouldn't exist it shouldn't be aroun. in a competently programmed and made vidoe game there would be very few exploiters but tera is not competently programmed thus we hav ehti s issue with proxy users.
TERA PC - General Discussion#504 Lolitaa10/01/2018, 02:40 PM
You all knew proxies were against the TOS.
yeah. does the law stop people dealing and using illegal drugs? murdering people? streaking in public?
You proxy users are now on the same playing field as everybody else now.
yeah. the same. as it should be. does that bother you? why? proxy should never have had to be made in the first place and you can thank bhs for that. :pray:
You need to time your rotations better now (like everyone else and not have a proxy hold your hand)
u mean perform without proxy? u actually think someone with high ping can achieve the same, all we have to do is time our rotation better? have you ever played at high latency? ever? ?? even if you don't care about your performance/dps, the delay between mashing ya damn keyboard and performing the skill will drive you n u t s.
TERA PC - General Discussion#505 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 02:42 PM
here is the thing lolitaa. you can LEEEEAVE no ones forcing you to play the game "but i like the game!" okay then obey the rules. "but my ping sucks!" yeah well tough luck life ain't fair your ping sucks because of location its also because of connection services by Enmasse and Enmasse does not know how to program competently or rather BHS does not.
TERA PC - General Discussion#506 Lolitaa10/01/2018, 02:44 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
here is the thing lolitaa. you can LEEEEAVE no ones forcing you to play the game "but i like the game!" okay then obey the rules. "but my ping sucks!" yeah well tough luck life ain't fair your ping sucks because of location its also because of connection services by Enmasse and Enmasse does not know how to program competently or rather BHS does not.
i can LEEEEAVE or i can "break the rules" to do something that merely affects other players (more like a benefit, so im not literal trash in endgame dungeons), and gives me an enjoyable playing experience.
am i dealing with a child? because you're acting very much like a child who is all about following rules and regulations as if your life depended on it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#507 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 02:47 PM
all and all matter falls on Bhs and enmasse fror their lack of programming skills. those of us with low ping can enjoy the game freely unhindered while those of you with high ping cannot but here's the thing thats never going to get fixed. never. proxy was invented to fix this issue but its breaking the terms of service you all signed when you agreed when you decided to play tera. there is no debate here the proxy is going away. people will leave the game will crash and burn and then it will probably eventually shutdown.
TERA PC - General Discussion#508 Lolitaa10/01/2018, 02:48 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
all and all matter falls on Bhs and enmasse fror their lack of programming skills. those of us with low ping can enjoy the game freely unhindered while those of you with high ping cannot but here's the thing thats never going to get fixed. never. proxy was invented to fix this issue but its breaking the terms of service you all signed when you agreed when you decided to play tera. there is no debate here the proxy is going away. people will leave the game will crash and burn and then it will probably eventually shutdown.

basically,
you think proxy is a good thing because of bhs's lack of coding knowledge, but because "GOD FORBID IT'S AGAINST TOS" you think it should never happen. right.
TERA PC - General Discussion#509 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 02:49 PM
no you're not dealing with a child you're dealing with a adult who is saying "TERMS OF SERVICES YOU AGREED TO." if you don't agree with the terms quit the game and leave. delete your characters bye. and yeah this is probably going to damage Tera big time.. or it will fix it there will still be those with decent enough ping to play the game who won't give a [filtered] and keep spending money on it till it dies. either way*shrugs.
@BlueKoR Well enjoy your game then. Ppl will move on with their lives and you will have a more dead game....
People do not need to use the proxy if EME + BHS do their job ... but they do not do anything ... The fans made the proxy to play as a man from the USA with 30-10ms ... South American, Brazilian, AU, etc. play with 150-350ms ... memeslash was using for people with brain problems ... If you think the playerbase of Tera NA are form USA u are so mad :v

5 year = 0 optimization, 0 server fix (that increase patch by patch), more fps drop, more spike lag, more customes more [filtered] and less communication with their players, more bans, less help, less REAL event (no that [filtered] as strongbox and stupids events money money need more money events).. Great job EME....
TERA PC - General Discussion#512 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 02:52 PM
..did you not hear me awhile ago i moved from this game loong ago im simply stating that you guys trying ot fix what is already broken by putting injectors into the mix is only causing more issues.
TERA PC - General Discussion#513 Lolitaa10/01/2018, 02:54 PM
9PHAA9WTGJ wrote: »
memeslash was using for people with brain problems
i giggled
BlueKoR wrote: »
..did you not hear me awhile ago i moved from this game loong ago im simply stating that you guys trying ot fix what is already broken by putting injectors into the mix is only causing more issues.

it caused some issue. but it fixed many.
why are you here if you moved on so long ago. why are you arguing over a game that is dead to you?
TERA PC - General Discussion#514 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 02:55 PM
Yet despite them grabbing cash you're still here paying them? is that their fault as a company they give you something you enjoy and make money off it because you keep paying them or your fault for having a addiction to tera with a need to throw money at costumes mounts and so on?
Im here since day 1, 7 years. I m from south-america, I played the game with and without proxy and you don t [filtered] know the change in QoL that that was for me and my friends. It was something that actually keep us interested in the game. The ToS can change, same as the Law, or u are going to tell me that noone smoked weed in some countries that was ilegal to do so at first and then OMG its legal? (just putting some random example, i could go with something more serious but at the end this is a game)
TERA PC - General Discussion#516 Lolitaa10/01/2018, 02:59 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
Yet despite them grabbing cash you're still here paying them? is that their fault as a company they give you something you enjoy and make money off it because you keep paying them or your fault for having a addiction to tera with a need to throw money at costumes mounts and so on?

maybe for others. but i can't personally relate. i don't waste my money on tera. maybe black friday i spend 20$. and that's all.
because why financially support a company that doesn't give a [filtered] about my needs?
TERA PC - General Discussion#517 zie62610/01/2018, 03:06 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
..did you not hear me awhile ago i moved from this game loong ago im simply stating that you guys trying ot fix what is already broken by putting injectors into the mix is only causing more issues.

as a passerby who always read some usefull stuff on the forum and look at the condition that's happening in the game
i suggest u to just keep silent for now since u said it urself that u already quitting the game.
ppl here complaining cause they know what kind of condition for the game right now and try to really give some feedback to EME even though most of the time none of it go trough
if u play, i repeat with a quotation marks here "if you play" the game nowadays and knowing the state of the game and play it cause u enjoy it either just cause its fun or the community u're in too in the game than u know the desperate feeling that these ppl have for the game, not just to play it like they used to be, or affraid for losing so much either it's time, investment in the game or simply the enjoyment of the game that make them play so much that the condition right now is come to this.

so yeah thats basicaly what i need to says to you for we are here for discussion nothing else, and nothing more
thank you
TERA PC - General Discussion#518 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 03:06 PM
the terms of service isn't changing it is not a simple fix to change the terms of something its a contract so in order for them to change it they'd have to go back rewrite everything have it looked over by a contractor and reaffirmed. ! again i will point out the fact that Enmasse bends a knee to those directly breaking their terms of service it only opens the way for more people to take advantage of them. so despite your QoL no one cares. the only people who care soo much about the proxy issue are those who are sympathetic towards those with high ping, Those who are using proxy, and those who who run the dps meter. if Proxy were to be removed but dps meter were to stay around. a lot of these posts would be narrowed down to like page 10/20 it would then just be everyone who uses proxy vs those who do not use proxy.
TERA PC - General Discussion#519 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 03:07 PM
zie you're too funny discussion what discussion is this? its people slinging mud 24/7 LOL
TERA PC - General Discussion#520 AxeI10/01/2018, 03:16 PM
Seriously. People arguing that the proxy is illegal sure, you have a point. People that used the proxy are using a sketchy batch file that changes a couple of things in game, sure a valid point as well.

People in this thread keep throwing crap at each other and none can understand that both have valid points yet all of you try to nullify each other.

My thoughts:

Proxy would have never happened if BHS had revisited their code when they were going to ship TERA to other regions because surprise, countries don't have the mighty Korean net nor games are exclusive to NA like in Korea is. TERA was horrendously made and BHS thought they were good enough to make their own net code instead of implementing an existing framework which failed, the game works in Korea amazingly because everyone there plays with 10-20ms.

All of this is product of BHSs incompetence and for the most part the only ones to blame, even their horrendous optimization and practices carried over to other games such as PUBG and even A:IR if you see the trailer.

I do agree that for a good part the community got into this themselves with things such as meme slash but the actions of a few shouldn't determine the future of the majority. The TERA Proxy Discord server that was closed had over 10k people in it, from all regions, not all of them had access to exploits because if everyone did, the game would legit be in another direction right now.

Yes, many resorted in an questionably illegal toolsto enhance their performance in PvE and PvP, but it was because these tools allowed you to play the classes in their true environment, as if you were in Korea, which is how classes were meant to be played.

For example, you can't play Lancer optimally or efficiently if you're above 60-70ms, evidently the higher the ping the slower you are & the less damage you do, are we really to blame for trying to play our classes how they were supposed to be played?

On the other hand you have a few people that disrupted the game in a malicious way (Accessing GM Panel & mem slash) and who knows what other exploits people in the shadow have that none of us know. With proxy gone and a good portion of the end-game community dipping after the 16th the real malicious people will have open cards to many things.

Until this point proxy was free to everyone and all the modules were available to you in just one step,which was joining the discord. Anyone could get their hands on it. Now that it got DMCA'd the picture is more grim, people could even start selling it exclusively and then the disparity will be even larger. Being bad wasn't an excuse anymore nor ping cause you had access to proxy, but now it adds another layer of difficulty as in people that are going to be able to maintain proxy by themselves will have the upper hand in everything. I believe EME didn't think this properly nor thought long term on how this decision would affect the community.

Yes, 3rd party sketchy things shouldn't be allowed but given the horrendous playing conditions this game has I believe a middle ground should be allowed. I am sure that the majority that use proxy only care about SP and other modules that correct TERA's crappy netcode. Exploiters and real malicious hackers should be 100% banned and removed from the game, that's for sure.

The problem is more ingrained to the core than just "People using 3rd party software" all of this is product of BHSs incompetence for over 6 years. Everyone patiently waited for an improvement, better servers, optimization & better netcode and they never delivered, the community took it into their own hands (With some malicious ones), things improved and now EME took it into their own hands to take a decision without simple knowledge on how the proxy works or what modules are actually malicious.

The DMCA should have been made to modules such as Infinite Journal, Broker/Bank everywhere or being real game alterations for example.

Those are my thoughts and if a middle ground is reached, indeed grim times will be upon TERA.
TERA PC - General Discussion#521 BlueKoR10/01/2018, 03:21 PM
game will continue as it always has either way. but there is the valid point the games busted as all hell people who proxy are doing so because its necessary for them to play the game but by doing so they also break the terms of service and break the game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#522 clfarron410/01/2018, 03:28 PM
BlueKoR wrote: »
the terms of service isn't changing it is not a simple fix to change the terms of something its a contract so in order for them to change it they'd have to go back rewrite everything have it looked over by a contractor and reaffirmed. ! again i will point out the fact that Enmasse bends a knee to those directly breaking their terms of service it only opens the way for more people to take advantage of them. so despite your QoL no one cares. the only people who care soo much about the proxy issue are those who are sympathetic towards those with high ping, Those who are using proxy, and those who who run the dps meter. if Proxy were to be removed but dps meter were to stay around. a lot of these posts would be narrowed down to like page 10/20 it would then just be everyone who uses proxy vs those who do not use proxy.

The Korean publishers of TERA changed the ToS to allow the use of DPS meters a few years back. This happened after they started banning people for using it and the entire Korean playerbase quit until the publisher backed down.

As for the whole proxy issue, proxy would never have been an issue at all if EME actually listened to people that have the know-how to develop these features and getting BHS to then code these solutions (many of which are also requested by the Koreans).

But as it stands, EME bans players that have the know-how to develop these features that offer to help EME and the suggestions that do make it to BHS aren't considered by BHS (even when the suggestions are made by the Koreans) for some unknown reason.
I'm quite sick and tired of people using the whole "if you don't like it you can leave" argument.

Yes, this is a free game, nobody is forced to stay, everybody is free to leave. But what are you achieving here? What exactly are you trying to improve? Absolutely jack.

Just because this is a free product, this doesn't give Bluehole the right to make it as crap as possible. Just because this is a free product, it doesn't take away anybody's right to criticize it. Remember, this is a game, they make the product and they are responsible for the quality, and us as users support the product they make so they can profit off from that.

All of you that couldn't come up with actual arguments supporting the game's decision (and I don't blame you for it because it is quite hard to justify the kind of stuff they've done, it's like not even shooting themselves in the foot, more like in the head), and had to resort to "just leave if you don't like", what do you want out of this? The game to close down? Is that what you call constructive criticism?
TERA PC - General Discussion#524 lcsgarcia10/01/2018, 03:48 PM
It's so funny to see people speaking "learn how to play fair" when they play with 10 ping and who REALLY needed those programs play almost with 200 ping. Some skills and mechanics are impossible to play under these conditions and then those same people who say "now you will play fair" will complain about our cures/DPS/tanking in dungeons/BGs. Lack of empathy.

I definitely prefer that EME put an IP block and prevent Non-NA players to enter in this game than let us in but didn't give us a SIMPLE SUPPORT.

We won't be able to play...? Yes and that's sad, but it's better than being a customer and not receiving 100% of the product.
TERA PC - General Discussion#525 6R1MM01R310/01/2018, 03:52 PM
Everyone trying to whiteknight in this thread are either entitled kids with privileged ping, bottom line casuals or simply ignorant about the background of this situation...OR ALL OF THE ABOVE. They also can't discern between internet trolling and serious statements done by those they seek to condemn and criminalize.
TERA PC - General Discussion#526 Solheim10/01/2018, 03:53 PM
lcsgarcia wrote: »
It's so funny to see people speaking "learn how to play fair" when they play with 10 ping and who REALLY needed those programs play almost with 200 ping. Some skills and mechanics are impossible to play under these conditions and then those same people who say "now you will play fair" will complain about our cures/DPS/tanking in dungeons/BGs. Lack of empathy.

I definitely prefer that EME put an IP block and prevent Non-NA players to enter in this game than let us in but didn't give us a SIMPLE SUPPORT.

We won't be able to play...? Yes and that's sad, but it's better than being a customer and not receiving 100% of the product.

A lot of people in NA have ping issues too, so putting an IP block wouldn't even solve that problem.
EME decides to tick off the 3rd party devs that kept this game striving on it's cane.

Hope you are proud of it EME. Proud that you killed the playerbase.

Good luck finding good quality people to do dungeons. Those people that lives far or has bad internet will suffer bad ping. There's no incentive to see how our performance are during awakening 2. Yeah just take those all away from them. Good thinking EME.
6R1MM01R3 wrote: »
Everyone trying to whiteknight in this thread are either entitled kids with privileged ping, bottom line casuals or simply ignorant about the background of this situation...OR ALL OF THE ABOVE. They also can't discern between internet trolling and serious statements done by those they seek to condemn and criminalize.

But according to Elinusagi, we will have less cheaters playing! \o/
It is called a NORTH AMERICAN server for a reason.

This means the server is located in NORTH AMERICA....

It seems people have forgotten the location of a NORTH AMERICAN server...
It is called a NORTH AMERICAN server for a reason.

This means the server is located in NORTH AMERICA....

It seems people have forgotten the location of a NORTH AMERICAN server...

If you only consider Chicago as NA, then sure your argument stands. Problem is that as soon as you don't live in the basement of the servers you automatically get ping disadvantages.
Try playing PvE at a high-level(not like a casual that does 1m/s and has 0 APM) with any more than 150 ping, try using Onslaught, Rapid Fire, Burning Heart, Fire Avalanche with too much attack speed, lock-on heals on time, Flaming Barrage, time perfect blocks, stack HtL.

Others are great QoL, like removing body-block on guardian missions/dungeons and not dying because people are too dumb to move a little bit or have to get that extra 10k dps, FPS-Utils so you can actually get more than 10fps on simple rigs (even higher end PC's), other QoL's like skip annoying cutscenes, instant enchant/soulbind, remove drunk screen, remove glitched 'crazy capes', hide damage numbers (FPS can get choppy and screws up visibility), remove useless clutter messages like 'you cannot use this skill', 'player enchanted this', 'player died', those were a couple of the reasons people use proxy that IMO simply made the game at least playable, saving time from annoying stuff and giving people playable FPS/decent visibility, and the ability to play competitive PvE at a higher latencies, it's still worse than TRUE low ping, you know.

Oh, guess we could also talk about Bern scripts, those indeed were/are exploity, i've read through some of them and they put 0ms delay on many skills so basically you could instablock/autoblock after Wallop/Super Leap which by default has a pretty big animation lock towards the end.

'The server is located in North America go away non-NA people hurr durr', and that's how you lose most of your playerbase/customers, but whatever floats your boat. Also let's not forget how unstable and crappy the servers are that even people on NA get lag and spikes. I've played on EU for a while and while i get 240ms, it's a 100% stable, always around 235-250, NEVER got any higher, never spiked.
TERA PC - General Discussion#532 lcsgarcia10/01/2018, 04:19 PM
Solheim wrote: »
lcsgarcia wrote: »
It's so funny to see people speaking "learn how to play fair" when they play with 10 ping and who REALLY needed those programs play almost with 200 ping. Some skills and mechanics are impossible to play under these conditions and then those same people who say "now you will play fair" will complain about our cures/DPS/tanking in dungeons/BGs. Lack of empathy.

I definitely prefer that EME put an IP block and prevent Non-NA players to enter in this game than let us in but didn't give us a SIMPLE SUPPORT.

We won't be able to play...? Yes and that's sad, but it's better than being a customer and not receiving 100% of the product.

A lot of people in NA have ping issues too, so putting an IP block wouldn't even solve that problem.

This is even worst. EME doesn't care EVEN with NA players with high ping.
9XEG5LEWEL wrote: »
Others are great QoL, like removing body-block on guardian missions/dungeons and not dying because people are too dumb to move a little bit or have to get that extra 10k dps, FPS-Utils so you can actually get more than 10fps on simple rigs (even higher end PC's)

I'll have you know that I have a decent computer and I crash at open world events and rally if I don't hide all the people. I can say without it tera is unplaybale for me, literally, because it literally closes.

Same with cutscenes, I don't even get a chance at hitting esc, tera straight up closes.
BlueKoR wrote: »
game will continue as it always has either way. but there is the valid point the games busted as all hell people who proxy are doing so because its necessary for them to play the game but by doing so they also break the terms of service and break the game.

Muh ping advantage pretty much? ok I get it if your complaining about proxy in PvP, but in PvE?? pls it wont hurt having ur party with Korean ping and doing overall more party dps (not talking about memeslashers and big cheaters in general) and if a person is proxying in PvP then im fine with them getting banned. I think its time to stop being self minded and selfish... if you really care about this game and its community, but apparently Eme and some people don't and that's fine ill just quit the game for the time being and if the game becomes a ghost town and dies its deserved.
TERA PC - General Discussion#535 lcsgarcia10/01/2018, 04:33 PM
It is called a NORTH AMERICAN server for a reason.

This means the server is located in NORTH AMERICA....

It seems people have forgotten the location of a NORTH AMERICAN server...

So why your publisher allow others countries to play it? And even worst, make partners with local companies in other regions to facilitate the purchase of EMP?

We only serve as an "extra income"?

When BDO launcher in NA, it was IP block because they would open a propper server in other regions.
But NOT EME. They want our money but doens't want us in the game?
TERA PC - General Discussion#536 Shaido10/01/2018, 04:33 PM
What does it mean to love a game? What does it mean to have a healthy game?

The first part is easy enough to answer. If you love a game, it means you want to see it flourish and support the game by spending money on it so it can continue to flourish with new content and new players.

Measuring the health of a game however, is a little more complicated. The game economy, quality content released in a timely manner, events to engage the community in between patches, discourse and positive engagement between the community and the game's management team (dev or publisher), the playerbase activity level. All these things and more can be used as objective indicators of the health of a game.

The term "game is dying" is tossed around freely whenever a game suffers a player decline, but this is a normal part of any game cycle. People get bored, move on to other things, real life gets in the way, etc. But I think that a game doesn't really die until the time comes that any new players joining a game quit because progression becomes impossible due to the lack of a community.

Yes, proxy was against the TOS, but EME/BHS are getting paid and supported by us, the playerbase, to provide a good gaming experience. Is it of any surprise to anyone then, that players flocked to programs like skill prediction to improve their experience? I have no doubts that in finding that improved experience, most of these players were open to the idea of spending money on a game that, through no effort of EME/BHS, finally became enjoyable to them.

Can you run proxy and love TERA? Absolutely. Can you rejoice at EME shutting down these third party programs and love TERA? Of course!
But if you would rather see this game die than demand accountability from EME/BHS in supporting this game for the thousands of players that found an enjoyable experience because of these programs, then you cannot claim to love this game and its world.

There are a lot of comments in this thread from people claiming that those who used proxy have no right to complain because it was against the TOS, but I challenge you to give me a situation where you would be ok paying for a service that is barely usable. Never mind the F2P semantics, because if no one bought a single cent of EMP, they would undoubtedly shut down the servers. The argument shouldn't be proxy vs no proxy because its against the TOS. The discussion should be about why proxy became such a popular tool in the first place. No other MMO that I know of has such a large community around a third party program like TERA does. Ask yourself why before white-knighting a company that has shown itself to be at best a bumbling buffoon when it comes to managing TERA. Unless of course, you would rather see it burn and die.

And if that's the case, you don't love this game at all.

/Signed: Player since CBT 1
No proxy no play simple as that. Been playing for 6 years.

Unbelievably stupid move. Perplexing with this game having zero content in 5 years that this is what you spend your time on. Glad my elite is ending on the 3rd will let it go and never get elite again.
Saabi wrote: »
But then again, blind corporate slaves and white knights for companies who don't care about them is found everywhere. Nintendo fanboys, Apple fanboys, and now EME fanboys. I don't know how you guys live with yourselves and your stockholm syndrome

lol and the Oscar goes to..
TERA PC - General Discussion#539 ElinUsagi10/01/2018, 04:55 PM
lcsgarcia wrote: »
It is called a NORTH AMERICAN server for a reason.

This means the server is located in NORTH AMERICA....

It seems people have forgotten the location of a NORTH AMERICAN server...

So why your publisher allow others countries to play it? And even worst, make partners with local companies in other regions to facilitate the purchase of EMP?

We only serve as an "extra income"?

When BDO launcher in NA, it was IP block because they would open a propper server in other regions.
But NOT EME. They want our money but doens't want us in the game?

I am not blocked from playing BDO on NA or EU even if my region has his own server. So?
TERA PC - General Discussion#540 TJukuren10/01/2018, 04:57 PM
Shaido wrote: »
What does it mean to love a game? What does it mean to have a healthy game?

The first part is easy enough to answer. If you love a game, it means you want to see it flourish and support the game by spending money on it so it can continue to flourish with new content and new players.

Measuring the health of a game however, is a little more complicated. The game economy, quality content released in a timely manner, events to engage the community in between patches, discourse and positive engagement between the community and the game's management team (dev or publisher), the playerbase activity level. All these things and more can be used as objective indicators of the health of a game.

The term "game is dying" is tossed around freely whenever a game suffers a player decline, but this is a normal part of any game cycle. People get bored, move on to other things, real life gets in the way, etc. But I think that a game doesn't really die until the time comes that any new players joining a game quit because progression becomes impossible due to the lack of a community.

Yes, proxy was against the TOS, but EME/BHS are getting paid and supported by us, the playerbase, to provide a good gaming experience. Is it of any surprise to anyone then, that players flocked to programs like skill prediction to improve their experience? I have no doubts that in finding that improved experience, most of these players were open to the idea of spending money on a game that, through no effort of EME/BHS, finally became enjoyable to them.

Can you run proxy and love TERA? Absolutely. Can you rejoice at EME shutting down these third party programs and love TERA? Of course!
But if you would rather see this game die than demand accountability from EME/BHS in supporting this game for the thousands of players that found an enjoyable experience because of these programs, then you cannot claim to love this game and its world.

There are a lot of comments in this thread from people claiming that those who used proxy have no right to complain because it was against the TOS, but I challenge you to give me a situation where you would be ok paying for a service that is barely usable. Never mind the F2P semantics, because if no one bought a single cent of EMP, they would undoubtedly shut down the servers. The argument shouldn't be proxy vs no proxy because its against the TOS. The discussion should be about why proxy became such a popular tool in the first place. No other MMO that I know of has such a large community around a third party program like TERA does. Ask yourself why before white-knighting a company that has shown itself to be at best a bumbling buffoon when it comes to managing TERA. Unless of course, you would rather see it burn and die.

And if that's the case, you don't love this game at all.

/Signed: Player since CBT 1

Here's the thing, I like many players here I'm sure, love Tera. I've been playing the game for nearly as long as you have. Maybe not since CBT but around the time when MC was introduced. It's hard however to show love to a game when it's been clearly shown the team that is publishing the game and is trying to make a better experience for its customers doesn't love you back.

As time has gone on, many of us have come to the conclusion that EME or BHS will never do anything about the state of NA Tera, and we've come to accept that as fact. Do we still love the game? Absolutely, there isn't a better F2P MMO out there with combat as good as Tera's. Sure a lot of us seem really bitter about EME and BHS' decisions over the past couple of years, but it's because we want to see the game shine like it used to. I'm sure I speak for many other people when I say it's absolutely heartbreaking to see a game we love fall as far as this one has when there are things that could've definitely been done to save it.

Many of the things mentioned such as better servers, ping compensation, and optimization changes are all things we've been crying out for for the longest time only to be met by deaf ears.

As a Business, you want to do whatever you possibly can to make your customers happy. Happy customers = more profit, more profit = more ways to make your customers happy. It makes me sad to see this company not embrace the very basics of business. They've shunned the very people who are paying for their servers to be free in the first place. To many people, including myself, this is nothing but a spit in the face.

To conclude, many people are whining, angry, upset, dis-trout yes, but only because we love the game to death and don't want to see it become an abandoned wasteland like it'll soon surely become if something isn't done soon.
It is called a NORTH AMERICAN server for a reason.

This means the server is located in NORTH AMERICA....

It seems people have forgotten the location of a NORTH AMERICAN server...

So did eme put the portugese and spanish translations of the forums because it's only meant for north americans? Please.
TERA PC - General Discussion#542 ElinUsagi10/01/2018, 05:23 PM
CornishRex wrote: »
It is called a NORTH AMERICAN server for a reason.

This means the server is located in NORTH AMERICA....

It seems people have forgotten the location of a NORTH AMERICAN server...

So did eme put the portugese and spanish translations of the forums because it's only meant for north americans? Please.

That is for console version, one where proxy is not allowed either and players are doing top tier dungeons without it and without dps meter either.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
It is called a NORTH AMERICAN server for a reason.

This means the server is located in NORTH AMERICA....

It seems people have forgotten the location of a NORTH AMERICAN server...

So did eme put the portugese and spanish translations of the forums because it's only meant for north americans? Please.

That is for console version, one where proxy is not allowed either and players are doing top tier dungeons without it and without dps meter either.

Español (México) and Português (Brasil) were available is site translations waaaay before console was a thing.
TERA PC - General Discussion#544 buffons10/01/2018, 05:48 PM
caali's open letter thread got deleted lol. Eme doubling and even tripling down on their own stubborness. This is so much more entertaining than the game
TERA PC - General Discussion#545 emphysema10/01/2018, 05:50 PM
buffons wrote: »
caali's open letter thread got deleted lol. Eme doubling and even tripling down on their own stubborness. This is so much more entertaining than the game

yeh. I was about to reply lol, when I saw a message that i cant reply anymore due to thread not existing anymore. luckily still got it
Watcheriso wrote: »
This whole proxy discussion/drama just shows how uninformed or ignorant a lot of people are. Let me emphasize this: We're *not* the black hat people exploiting the game. Neither do we have the intention to be. Those people who misquoted obvious jokes I made about using exploits to harm NA as threats from my side are just trying to spin things around so that they match their perspective.


Let me clarify this a bit:

We, the third-party developers, have time and time again spoken out against exploits, cheats, and other unethical modules. In our Discord servers, we have warned or banned on sight everyone who asked for or shared exploits. We keep reminding people to turn off SP in PvP situations because we're aware of the fact that it's not perfect and, due to Tera's badly implemented synchronization mechanisms, can lead to desyncs and other behavior that could give you an unfair advantage. SaltyMonkey, the main developer of SP for my proxy, has spent countless hours every day working on improving SP, adding support for stuns/fears/etc to reduce the impact it has even if someone decides to abuse it in PvP. We trust that a majority of proxy users just want to play the game as it is meant to be played: with Korean-level infrastructure, that is high bandwidths and extremely low latencies. Popular tools like SP and FPSUtils help in doing so.

Every single patch day when EME's faulty updater broke a lot of players' game client, we gave our best and kept providing unofficial tech support for hundreds of players on some patch days. In doing so we were, in fact, oftentimes quicker to respond and could provide better proposals for solving the issues due to our superior knowledge of the game's internals (not wanting to brag, but we know a lot more about the internals than most EME employees, or those of any other publisher, for obvious reasons).

We tried again and again to contact EME and certain other publishers in order to report game-breaking exploits. Most of these attempts (in fact, all attempts at contacting EME) were futile and we were ignored. Take the infamous chat exploit, for example. I had personally reported it anonymously to EME and BHS about half a year prior to it becoming public. I'm not sure where exactly the report got lost or was ignored, but it obviously never got fixed. Even to this day, there are multiple S-tier exploits still in the game which could be used to cause *severe* damage to players, the economy, and the publishers. All of those that I personally know were anonymously reported a long time ago and I have not heard feedback regarding a single one of them. Even though some people on the forum accused me of this, I didn't share them with anyone, ever.

Furthermore, personally I haven't made a penny from any of my work - it's all free of charge and open source. I even refused to accept donations despite being asked for it over and over again. There are other developers who charge for proxy modules that they developed, but their stuff did *not* get taken down in any way. They were not impacted by EME's move in any way.

Which leads me to the next point: the actual black hat hackers, botters, exploiters, and gold sellers. Trust me on this one, but I know about quite a few that are lurking completely in the shadows, in fact it's not unlikely that none of you have never heard about them before. Waging war against proxy will *not* stop them in their endeavours. They are perfectly capable of maintaining their private tools themselves, they have been before proxy as you know it was even developed, and they will be for all days to come.

And yet, some people accuse me and the other developers of being greedy [filtered] who sell proxy and exploits to people, with the mere goal of destroying the game or profiting off it. They must either be uninformed, blatantly ignorant of the truth, or trolling.


In my personal opinion, EME's decision to DMCA the Discord and the GitHub repositories was totally over the top and I took it as a personal attack. Most of the third-party developers, including me, have always been open for communication with the publishers and kept emphasizing that.

As an example, within the timespan of her being on my proxy Discord server, I think I've pinged KitTeaCup at least 2 or 3 times when EME's updater/launcher broke, so that she could get their tech team to fix it asap. To this day I've not once declined an attempt of any publisher at contacting me. If any EME official, for example her, would just have contacted me about proxy in an effort to talk about limiting it to a handful of select allowed modules, or even just requesting it to be taken down entirely for NA servers, I would have happily complied to their requests - I would also have voiced my concerns about the large impact that this would have on their playerbase *before* it would actually happen - the consequences we are witnessing right now.

Instead, without a word, they DMCA'd everything, pissing off not only the third-party developers but also a large portion of their playerbase. We, the third-party developers, have without hesitation complied to full extent and have made all third-party software unavailable for EME's services. The players have reacted, voicing their criticism which was just a compilation of all the issues that piled up over the past years. A massive number of people have either quit or migrated to to other publishers, according to the factual data that we as third-party developers were able to collect and observe, and the long queue times that remaining players have talked about. The competitive and dedicated high-end content players are probably affected more drastically by this than the casual community.


In conclusion, allow me to emphasize this again: Should any other region's publisher wish to shut down my proxy's compatibility with their services, feel free to contact me (on Discord, for example). There's no need to take legal action. My intentions are not malicious or evil in any way, in case the publishers and the fanatic anti-proxy people still haven't realized that.

However, based on all that's happened, I (and a lot of other developers) are done with EME. If you guys were to reach out to me personally *now* about a potential solution (perhaps reintroduced proxy or a custom solution similar to SP) to mitigate the impact this has had on the playerbase, I would no longer be open to communication and decline the request. Same goes for reporting of game-breaking exploits, I'll try my luck with other publishers in that regard. After all, the fixes will reach NA as well if my reports get through.


I hope I could clarify my standpoint on the matter so that maybe some of will understand the third-party scene's perspective, and realize that things could have been approached in a better way.

Sincerely and see you over at EU servers,
Caali and other unnamed developers

TERA PC - General Discussion#546 TomRipley10/01/2018, 05:53 PM
buffons wrote: »
caali's open letter thread got deleted lol. Eme doubling and even tripling down on their own stubborness. This is so much more entertaining than the game

Just wanted to write the same.

So someone's in the office after all. They just decide to not answer to anyone, but keep deleting. I'm baffled. Same tactic as for the xigncode disaster. And we all know how this worked out. They just keep going like that.

Tera N/A soon indeed, I fear...
TERA PC - General Discussion#547 zenpiax10/01/2018, 05:55 PM
For those waiting for an EME response, give up on it. If they decide to respond it will be a meaningless and vague response that will have no effect on this shitstorm. EME plans are to give us a false hope that they will investigate the issues raised by the community this weekend and look for possible solutions. Those fixes will never come and EME is just trying to prolong the inevitable. They said they loves but that is a bunch of lies, they only love us for the strongbox keys and starter packs we can buy. The best part is that we have salty AF @circuits banning people from the discord channel for stating non-offensive opinions and constructive criticism in the discord channel instead of replying and addressing the issues that are being brought up throughout the weekend. Those actions clearly show that EME has no intent of fixing anything. With the addition that the 3rd party developers will not support the NA side of the game even if an amicable resolution is agreed upon. This basically means there’s no saving this game anymore. If you still want to play Tera just move to EU Tera, they are having a leveling event starting tomorrow so it would be a nice way to start anew. The game will start dying at a rapid peace, just let it die. Our EME overlords will not back down from their atrocious decisions, they will not improve the quality/ performance of the game, they will not fix absolutely anything, but you know what we can always expect from EME more greedy business tactics, loot box scams and store deals nobody cares about. Take this opportunity to be free from EME shackles!
TERA PC - General Discussion#548 ElinUsagi10/01/2018, 05:56 PM
emphysema wrote: »

yeh. I was about to reply lol, when I saw a message that i cant reply anymore due to thread not existing anymore. luckily still got it


"Let me clarify this a bit:

We, the third-party developers keep reminding people to turn off SP in PvP situations because we're aware of the fact that it's not perfect and can lead to desyncs and other behavior that could give you an unfair advantage. SaltyMonkey, the main developer of SP for my proxy, has spent countless hours every day working on improving SP, adding support for stuns/fears/etc to reduce the impact it has even if someone decides to abuse it in PvP.

Caali and other unnamed developers"


There you have it, they admit they brought a broken tool to the game that can be abused and they want us to believe him that his words "pls proxy users dont make exploits from our mods" are true. They are not and they admit that they havent fixed the issues it brought.

So I will quote the same shet people defending proxy spam "first fix your shet before spreading a broken tool into the game".
An actual suggestion and some constructive criticism: make TERA NA a MMO dress-up game.
Odd suggestion, but at this point this is your best route IMO. It can attract new players while also being interesting old ones who want to wander through the game, do a dungeon or two but focus mostly on fashion. The casuals would probably enjoy this.

Seriously. If you guys want some income from this game just hire some 3D modelers and fashion designers or whatever(I honestly do not know how it works, but since BHS can add costumes I assume you can too).

Getting the rights from BHS to add costumes to the game shouldn't be as difficult as changing your ToS. (Not an attack by the way, it's just been years and nothing changed in that regard, might as well try something different)

If the game isn't labelled as "action combat MMORPG" but "MMORPG focused on fashion with bonus action combat", people will care less about the combat and the whole drama with Third-Party Programs becomes meaningless.

https://board.tera.gameforge.com/index.php/Thread/73930-EVENT-League-of-Levelers-02-10-18-10/?postID=910285#post910285

refugees welcome <3
TERA PC - General Discussion#551 ElinUsagi10/01/2018, 06:02 PM
Nekooxchan wrote: »
An actual suggestion and some constructive criticism: make TERA NA a MMO dress-up game.
Odd suggestion, but at this point this is your best route IMO. It can attract new players while also being interesting old ones who want to wander through the game, do a dungeon or two but focus mostly on fashion. The casuals would probably enjoy this.

Seriously. If you guys want some income from this game just hire some 3D modelers and fashion designers or whatever(I honestly do not know how it works, but since BHS can add costumes I assume you can too).

Getting the rights from BHS to add costumes to the game shouldn't be as difficult as changing your ToS. (Not an attack by the way, it's just been years and nothing changed in that regard, might as well try something different)

If the game isn't labelled as "action combat MMORPG" but "MMORPG focused on fashion with bonus action combat", people will care less about the combat and the whole drama with Third-Party Programs becomes meaningless.

It is what has been since 2012/2013.

Everyone knows TERA failed heavily at launch because most people didnt like that game and in Korea collapsed in 1 year, at NA it collapsed in 4 months and something similar world wide.

TERA was saved because of Elins and cash shop costumes. The game has been since then a dress-up game but some people can't remember that.
You would think after all this time they would at least learn something but EME continues to surprise me everyday.

After every problem, every mass outrage, they decide to do absolutely nothing, reply absolutely no one, answer absolutely no question, provides absolutely no transparency.

And then silently deletes thread.

I am beyond speechless right now, I legit have never seen a company that wanted to close itself down so fast.
P5RLRJYGGE wrote: »

haha Gj on gameforge part. they know all Na tera ppl coming to them and they really did a league of levelers event hahaha,its like Gameforge laughing at eme face.
TERA PC - General Discussion#554 P2W10/01/2018, 06:06 PM
P5RLRJYGGE wrote: »

LMAO! NA TERA is done. RIP
TERA PC - General Discussion#555 TomRipley10/01/2018, 06:06 PM
P5RLRJYGGE wrote: »

"So, Would you like to start again from scratch?"

I see what you did there. ;)
TERA PC - General Discussion#556 Pwhoops10/01/2018, 06:10 PM
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> There you have it, they admit they brought a broken tool to the game that can be abused and they want us to believe him that his words "pls proxy users dont make exploits from our mods" are true. They are not and they admit that they havent fixed the issues it brought.
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> So I will quote the same shet people defending proxy spam "first fix your shet before spreading a broken tool into the game".

There would be no need for the proxy if EME/BHS had fixed the game like the community has asked since day 1.

Yeah, proxy could be used in PvP to gain somewhat of an unfair advantage, but it was meant for PvE. It was meant for people with high ping so that they could enjoy the game and not have minute long skill delays.

And guess what? Yes, the people that use it for PvP are the real exploiters and they will continue to exploit the game. The DMCA to Caali is only making it so the people that needed the proxy so they could play with a high ping can no longer play, while the ones that make the exploits will continue to make them and you will see with time that the exploits will not go away, but half of the TERA population will, so I guess, enjoy your not so safe dead game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#557 Mewtube10/01/2018, 06:25 PM
Huh? I don't understand EME's mentality that suddenly opened a can of worms without any idea how to tackle it. I personally don't side with either TOS or 3rd party tools, but the business practice by EME is so poor to a point that I am just....amazed.

Yes, using 3rd party tools is against TOS, and EME has every rights to punish those who distribute or use these tools regardless if players' intension is good or bad. But from business practice point of view, you don't make decisions that will drive your customers away on a huge scale. The purpose of the TOS is to protect the integrity of the game so that the developer and publisher can profit from it in the long run. In this case, do you think enforcing TOS and file DMCA claims on 3rd party tools will result a net gain or loss on gross revenue for EME? If you don't already have a solution to mitigate the impact on player base, why deal with the issue now? At current state, there are no game breaking exploits like the memeslash that create imminent threats to the game. Why not deal with cheaters who actually use 3rd party programs to gain unfair advantages case by case, and focus your resource and energy on actually promoting the game? Whether or not the 3rd program matter should be enforced, EME has handled the issue in the worst possible way that I really doubt the damage done can ever be restored.
More posts being deleted and you still wouldn't reply to us here.

EME do you still wonder why people don't like you?
TERA PC - General Discussion#559 Vabe10/01/2018, 07:04 PM
This whole proxy discussion/drama just shows how uninformed or ignorant a lot of people are. Let me emphasize this: We're *not* the black hat people exploiting the game. Neither do we have the intention to be. Those people who misquoted obvious jokes I made about using exploits to harm NA as threats from my side are just trying to spin things around so that they match their perspective.


Let me clarify this a bit:

We, the third-party developers, have time and time again spoken out against exploits, cheats, and other unethical modules. In our Discord servers, we have warned or banned on sight everyone who asked for or shared exploits. We keep reminding people to turn off SP in PvP situations because we're aware of the fact that it's not perfect and, due to Tera's badly implemented synchronization mechanisms, can lead to desyncs and other behavior that could give you an unfair advantage. SaltyMonkey, the main developer of SP for my proxy, has spent countless hours every day working on improving SP, adding support for stuns/fears/etc to reduce the impact it has even if someone decides to abuse it in PvP. We trust that a majority of proxy users just want to play the game as it is meant to be played: with Korean-level infrastructure, that is high bandwidths and extremely low latencies. Popular tools like SP and FPSUtils help in doing so.

Every single patch day when EME's faulty updater broke a lot of players' game client, we gave our best and kept providing unofficial tech support for hundreds of players on some patch days. In doing so we were, in fact, oftentimes quicker to respond and could provide better proposals for solving the issues due to our superior knowledge of the game's internals (not wanting to brag, but we know a lot more about the internals than most EME employees, or those of any other publisher, for obvious reasons).

We tried again and again to contact EME and certain other publishers in order to report game-breaking exploits. Most of these attempts (in fact, all attempts at contacting EME) were futile and we were ignored. Take the infamous chat exploit, for example. I had personally reported it anonymously to EME and BHS about half a year prior to it becoming public. I'm not sure where exactly the report got lost or was ignored, but it obviously never got fixed. Even to this day, there are multiple S-tier exploits still in the game which could be used to cause *severe* damage to players, the economy, and the publishers. All of those that I personally know were anonymously reported a long time ago and I have not heard feedback regarding a single one of them. Even though some people on the forum accused me of this, I didn't share them with anyone, ever.

Furthermore, personally I haven't made a penny from any of my work - it's all free of charge and open source. I even refused to accept donations despite being asked for it over and over again. There are other developers who charge for proxy modules that they developed, but their stuff did *not* get taken down in any way. They were not impacted by EME's move in any way.

Which leads me to the next point: the actual black hat hackers, botters, exploiters, and gold sellers. Trust me on this one, but I know about quite a few that are lurking completely in the shadows, in fact it's not unlikely that none of you have never heard about them before. Waging war against proxy will *not* stop them in their endeavours. They are perfectly capable of maintaining their private tools themselves, they have been before proxy as you know it was even developed, and they will be for all days to come.

And yet, some people accuse me and the other developers of being greedy [filtered] who sell proxy and exploits to people, with the mere goal of destroying the game or profiting off it. They must either be uninformed, blatantly ignorant of the truth, or trolling.


In my personal opinion, EME's decision to DMCA the Discord and the GitHub repositories was totally over the top and I took it as a personal attack. Most of the third-party developers, including me, have always been open for communication with the publishers and kept emphasizing that.

As an example, within the timespan of her being on my proxy Discord server, I think I've pinged KitTeaCup at least 2 or 3 times when EME's updater/launcher broke, so that she could get their tech team to fix it asap. To this day I've not once declined an attempt of any publisher at contacting me. If any EME official, for example her, would just have contacted me about proxy in an effort to talk about limiting it to a handful of select allowed modules, or even just requesting it to be taken down entirely for NA servers, I would have happily complied to their requests - I would also have voiced my concerns about the large impact that this would have on their playerbase *before* it would actually happen - the consequences we are witnessing right now.

Instead, without a word, they DMCA'd everything, pissing off not only the third-party developers but also a large portion of their playerbase. We, the third-party developers, have without hesitation complied to full extent and have made all third-party software unavailable for EME's services. The players have reacted, voicing their criticism which was just a compilation of all the issues that piled up over the past years. A massive number of people have either quit or migrated to to other publishers, according to the factual data that we as third-party developers were able to collect and observe, and the long queue times that remaining players have talked about. The competitive and dedicated high-end content players are probably affected more drastically by this than the casual community.


In conclusion, allow me to emphasize this again: Should any other region's publisher wish to shut down my proxy's compatibility with their services, feel free to contact me (on Discord, for example). There's no need to take legal action. My intentions are not malicious or evil in any way, in case the publishers and the fanatic anti-proxy people still haven't realized that.

However, based on all that's happened, I (and a lot of other developers) are done with EME. If you guys were to reach out to me personally *now* about a potential solution (perhaps reintroduced proxy or a custom solution similar to SP) to mitigate the impact this has had on the playerbase, I would no longer be open to communication and decline the request. Same goes for reporting of game-breaking exploits, I'll try my luck with other publishers in that regard. After all, the fixes will reach NA as well if my reports get through.


I hope I could clarify my standpoint on the matter so that maybe some of will understand the third-party scene's perspective, and realize that things could have been approached in a better way.

Sincerely and see you over at EU servers,
Caali and other unnamed developers
TERA PC - General Discussion#560 Pwhoops10/01/2018, 07:06 PM
You’re gonna have to silence 80% of your community if you think this is right EME.
TERA PC - General Discussion#561 ElinUsagi10/01/2018, 07:09 PM
Vabe wrote: »
This whole proxy discussion/drama just shows how uninformed or ignorant a lot of people are. Let me emphasize this: We're *not* the black hat people exploiting the game. Neither do we have the intention to be. Those people who misquoted obvious jokes I made about using exploits to harm NA as threats from my side are just trying to spin things around so that they match their perspective.


"Let me clarify this a bit:

We, the third-party developers keep reminding people to turn off SP in PvP situations because we're aware of the fact that it's not perfect and can lead to desyncs and other behavior that could give you an unfair advantage. SaltyMonkey, the main developer of SP for my proxy, has spent countless hours every day working on improving SP, adding support for stuns/fears/etc to reduce the impact it has even if someone decides to abuse it in PvP.

Caali and other unnamed developers"

There you have it, they admit they brought a broken tool to the game that can be abused and they want us to believe him that his words "pls proxy users dont make exploits from our mods" are true. They are not and they admit that they havent fixed the issues it brought.

So I will quote the same shet people defending proxy spam "first fix your shet before spreading a broken tool into the game".
TERA PC - General Discussion#562 Huv10/01/2018, 07:11 PM
You should tell BHS to fix their game before releasing it.