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TERA PC - General Discussion: Innerwear
Since it seems TERA is becoming/has became "pay to win" will you guys just go ahead and put the mid and top tier innerwear in the cash shop already for direct buy instead of being locked behind the ridiculous loot boxes or if you wont do that how bout gold "bundles " so that way I can just buy the 350k in gold that I need to buy what I know I want instead of "gambling" and ending in disappoint and frustration causing me to exit TERA and closing my wallet to the game. Also where is the item xp we were supposed to be getting today? Also how bout the Castanica Demons outfit for direct buy instead of once again being locked behind the ridiculous loot box system, it might just be my thinking but I'm sure alot more would sell in direct buy items.
This probably one of the dumbest idea ive heard...there are alot of people out there who didnt pay a single cent to get the top tier innerwear..
Yes some people do get lucky with rng from GF tokens, good for them not everybody has such luck and when your trying to do multiple alts even grinding the 350k+ gold takes some time. And if that is one of the dumbest ideas you've ever heard then you really should get out more often.
Man, I'd sure like to know what category in the store gives me that end game gear, and guaranteed enchants that would make me consider this game pay 2 win.

That said, I've managed to get my innerwear squared away w/out spending a dime of actual cash. I did lay out some gold to the broker though. It did mean that I did have to actually play the game to get the gold, but that's what the whole idea of a game is, isn't it? Hell, it's so easy to get that on my first 65 on AV, a guild mate gave me a set of the right innerwear for my archer. So maybe pay attention to the broker, and get that gold together instead? In the meantime, keep working on the GF tokens, maybe you'll get it for that effort instead.
Man, I'd sure like to know what category in the store gives me that end game gear, and guaranteed enchants that would make me consider this game pay 2 win.

That said, I've managed to get my innerwear squared away w/out spending a dime of actual cash. I did lay out some gold to the broker though. It did mean that I did have to actually play the game to get the gold, but that's what the whole idea of a game is, isn't it? Hell, it's so easy to get that on my first 65 on AV, a guild mate gave me a set of the right innerwear for my archer. So maybe pay attention to the broker, and get that gold together instead? In the meantime, keep working on the GF tokens, maybe you'll get it for that effort instead.

Effort =/= Luck.

GF tokens are more about Luck than Effort. I got BiS inners in first try last patch and in this one again. However most people I know haven't in many months doing GG every day.
The point I was trying to make is if they already offer the innerwear through loot boxes in the cash shop why cant there be a direct buy option also, that was it. And yea I grind GG twice a day every day on 6 alts and has been at least 3 months since I have gotten even half decent innerwear.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Man, I'd sure like to know what category in the store gives me that end game gear, and guaranteed enchants that would make me consider this game pay 2 win.

That said, I've managed to get my innerwear squared away w/out spending a dime of actual cash. I did lay out some gold to the broker though. It did mean that I did have to actually play the game to get the gold, but that's what the whole idea of a game is, isn't it? Hell, it's so easy to get that on my first 65 on AV, a guild mate gave me a set of the right innerwear for my archer. So maybe pay attention to the broker, and get that gold together instead? In the meantime, keep working on the GF tokens, maybe you'll get it for that effort instead.

Effort =/= Luck.

GF tokens are more about Luck than Effort. I got BiS inners in first try last patch and in this one again. However most people I know haven't in many months doing GG every day.

Asking to get it for cash doesn't do much either. They're in the way they are because it generates more income, because as much as people complain all over the internet about loot boxes, it would seem people buy the hell out of them. I don't remember if it was ESO or GW 2 where they did a leveling event that gave away loot boxes at certain milestones, and people were complaining that they couldn't get 'em for free. It was GW 2, however, where the complaint was that they couldn't P2W on the CS... So let's just leave it like it is, it's really better this way.

Regarding GG, I haven't even gotten to 80 tokens yet, with 5 characters running it twice a day. The RNG gods have always hated me, for about 25 years now, and I still don't think it's a great idea to remove that. The idea of an MMO is to keep people working towards a goal. Putting it all in the CS doesn't do a lot for longevity. The ones with the disposable income will dispose of the income, then have nothing to play for, and leave, seen it happen. You'd be surprised how many people that complain about P2W will actually P2W if they have the chance.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Man, I'd sure like to know what category in the store gives me that end game gear, and guaranteed enchants that would make me consider this game pay 2 win.

That said, I've managed to get my innerwear squared away w/out spending a dime of actual cash. I did lay out some gold to the broker though. It did mean that I did have to actually play the game to get the gold, but that's what the whole idea of a game is, isn't it? Hell, it's so easy to get that on my first 65 on AV, a guild mate gave me a set of the right innerwear for my archer. So maybe pay attention to the broker, and get that gold together instead? In the meantime, keep working on the GF tokens, maybe you'll get it for that effort instead.

Effort =/= Luck.

GF tokens are more about Luck than Effort. I got BiS inners in first try last patch and in this one again. However most people I know haven't in many months doing GG every day.

Asking to get it for cash doesn't do much either. They're in the way they are because it generates more income, because as much as people complain all over the internet about loot boxes, it would seem people buy the hell out of them. I don't remember if it was ESO or GW 2 where they did a leveling event that gave away loot boxes at certain milestones, and people were complaining that they couldn't get 'em for free. It was GW 2, however, where the complaint was that they couldn't P2W on the CS... So let's just leave it like it is, it's really better this way.

Regarding GG, I haven't even gotten to 80 tokens yet, with 5 characters running it twice a day. The RNG gods have always hated me, for about 25 years now, and I still don't think it's a great idea to remove that. The idea of an MMO is to keep people working towards a goal. Putting it all in the CS doesn't do a lot for longevity. The ones with the disposable income will dispose of the income, then have nothing to play for, and leave, seen it happen. You'd be surprised how many people that complain about P2W will actually P2W if they have the chance.

I really think Inner stats should be able to be enchanted/upgraded as gear is and cash shop should only provide with diferent skins for inners but this thing got in-game so much time ago that now it is a core system to make money also.
It never ceases to amaze me that people will defend loot boxes.

But to the main topic: innerwear is becoming increasingly important since the stats on them just keep growing. The difference between 4 crit inners and 16 was large enough. But now that they go all the way to 28 crit, even 16 crit inners (which were bis when I started playing) are lacking. Obtaining any in game is pure luck since ghillie isn't even guaranteed to drop gf tokens. Then once you get 80, you're rolling through at least 4 tiers of innerwear which each has 5 types in the hope of getting the high tier ones (read: the ones least likely to drop).
So there's two layers of rng to getting them in game which seems ridiculous for something that clearly has impact on gameplay.

Add to that the only other way to get them is basically gambling, and I think it's fair to ask for some direct buy option. I personally wouldn't buy them, but putting loot box chase items directly for sale is a positive in my book.
Honestly... I'm a bit torn on this one. I don't like the cash shop loot boxes, and particularly the fact that they have no failure cap and no posted odds. (I still say, at the very least, they should do that regardless.) But, in this case, this RNG purchasing method is competing with an in-game RNG earning method. If the in-game method remains RNG but the cash shop goes direct buy, it seems even more slanted towards the cash shop than it already is. So, in an odd sort of way -- in this one case -- it kind of makes sense to me why the cash shop version would also involve RNG, unless you also have some in-game method of earning that is "direct buy" (even if it takes a long time).

That being said... you could make the same argument about the 1.5x dragons, and they were just listed for direct buy , so maybe it's a needless distinction at this point.
Honestly... I'm a bit torn on this one. I don't like the cash shop loot boxes, and particularly the fact that they have no failure cap and no posted odds. (I still say, at the very least, they should do that regardless.) But, in this case, this RNG purchasing method is competing with an in-game RNG earning method. If the in-game method remains RNG but the cash shop goes direct buy, it seems even more slanted towards the cash shop than it already is. So, in an odd sort of way -- in this one case -- it kind of makes sense to me why the cash shop version would also involve RNG, unless you also have some in-game method of earning that is "direct buy" (even if it takes a long time).

That being said... you could make the same argument about the 1.5x dragons, and they were just listed for direct buy , so maybe it's a needless distinction at this point.

At this point you are garuanted to get a 1.5 dragon in game when you get 400 dragon scales and only if you get lucky you could get them earlier.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Honestly... I'm a bit torn on this one. I don't like the cash shop loot boxes, and particularly the fact that they have no failure cap and no posted odds. (I still say, at the very least, they should do that regardless.) But, in this case, this RNG purchasing method is competing with an in-game RNG earning method. If the in-game method remains RNG but the cash shop goes direct buy, it seems even more slanted towards the cash shop than it already is. So, in an odd sort of way -- in this one case -- it kind of makes sense to me why the cash shop version would also involve RNG, unless you also have some in-game method of earning that is "direct buy" (even if it takes a long time).

That being said... you could make the same argument about the 1.5x dragons, and they were just listed for direct buy , so maybe it's a needless distinction at this point.

At this point you are garuanted to get a 1.5 dragon in game when you get 400 dragon scales and only if you get lucky you could get them earlier.

Yeah, if it were the same with inner armor (like, for every goldfinger token box you open you get another token and eventually you can pick the one you want or something), then having direct buy on the cash shop would at least feel more equivalent to me.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Man, I'd sure like to know what category in the store gives me that end game gear, and guaranteed enchants that would make me consider this game pay 2 win.

That said, I've managed to get my innerwear squared away w/out spending a dime of actual cash. I did lay out some gold to the broker though. It did mean that I did have to actually play the game to get the gold, but that's what the whole idea of a game is, isn't it? Hell, it's so easy to get that on my first 65 on AV, a guild mate gave me a set of the right innerwear for my archer. So maybe pay attention to the broker, and get that gold together instead? In the meantime, keep working on the GF tokens, maybe you'll get it for that effort instead.

Effort =/= Luck.

GF tokens are more about Luck than Effort. I got BiS inners in first try last patch and in this one again. However most people I know haven't in many months doing GG every day.

Asking to get it for cash doesn't do much either. They're in the way they are because it generates more income, because as much as people complain all over the internet about loot boxes, it would seem people buy the hell out of them. I don't remember if it was ESO or GW 2 where they did a leveling event that gave away loot boxes at certain milestones, and people were complaining that they couldn't get 'em for free. It was GW 2, however, where the complaint was that they couldn't P2W on the CS... So let's just leave it like it is, it's really better this way.

Regarding GG, I haven't even gotten to 80 tokens yet, with 5 characters running it twice a day. The RNG gods have always hated me, for about 25 years now, and I still don't think it's a great idea to remove that. The idea of an MMO is to keep people working towards a goal. Putting it all in the CS doesn't do a lot for longevity. The ones with the disposable income will dispose of the income, then have nothing to play for, and leave, seen it happen. You'd be surprised how many people that complain about P2W will actually P2W if they have the chance.

I really think Inner stats should be able to be enchanted/upgraded as gear is and cash shop should only provide with diferent skins for inners but this thing got in-game so much time ago that now it is a core system to make money also.

I'd be for allowing us to enchant them.

Tera coild be a leader in loot box reform but has chosen the side of profits over consumers and their clients/player base. I hope the talked about federal legislation to force industry reform happens.

Why can’t you tell us the percentage chance? I’ve recently bought 30 loot boxes and did not receive the cosmetic item i wanted? Seriously?

I have had some luck with loot boxes snd it is nice to receive the item you want.

Given the clear low percentage chance of receiving the item loot boxes should have a very low cost snd there should be an option to purchase any item that is loot boxed fir s higher price.

Personally I would rather buy an item out right than deal with this unfair and low chance loot box issue.
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