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TERA PC - General Discussion: PvP cheaters
So there’s more and more cheaters in pvp especially Cs weren’t proxy user supposed to get banned??
The only way people get banned is if they send in screenshots or video of themselves cheating and ask to be banned. Or if several other people report them for cheating with video and/or screenshots. There are no other anti-cheat measures built into tera.
wait...what.....there are cheaters in tera???? not with xigncode to the rescue. maybe people are mistaken. there shouldn't be any cheaters in tera now.

jk. if man can make it, man can defeat it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#4 voidy07/07/2018, 10:33 PM
What, no, that's insane. OP, we have xigncode now. How can there be cheaters if we have xigncode, the ultimate anti-cheat software???
PVP is full of cheaters. The one with lowest ping and most expensive unethical script will win. Record them and it's obvious they are using it on pvp. Send it to support and pray they get banned.
TERA PC - General Discussion#6 Yordan07/08/2018, 12:29 PM
If anyone who uses it got banned (so about 95% of playerbase) you wouldn't have anyone left to do cs and fwc with. LOL

Really you should blame bluehole for making game where ping have such gigantic impact on pvp or gameplay in general.
even if the game ran at optimal ping and didn't tax people's pc, and there were no problems playing any class or lag, people would still cheat.
TERA PC - General Discussion#8 voidy07/08/2018, 06:56 PM
Yordan wrote: »
If anyone who uses it got banned (so about 95% of playerbase) you wouldn't have anyone left to do cs and fwc with. Really you should blame bluehole for making game where ping have such gigantic impact on pvp or gameplay in general.

This tbh

When it was first becoming a widespread tool, nobody was touting its ability to "cheat in pvp" or any of the other crazy stuff you can do with it now. Its claim to fame was its ability to mitigate ping tax and let even a European player enjoy the game as if they had low ping. If BHS had done something about this issue when we were all begging them to, instead of sitting on it for years and doing nothing, then there's almost no chance things would have gotten as bad as they are now. This game's great, its developers are terrible, and its community (i.e. literally one guy working on it for free in his spare time) came up with a solution that worked but opened the doors for a lot of other [filtered], and now we get to watch BHS throw xigncode at us and pretend like our version of the game doesn't exist every time we submit feedback.

Don't forget to purchase the new daily deal btw!
voidy wrote: »
Yordan wrote: »
If anyone who uses it got banned (so about 95% of playerbase) you wouldn't have anyone left to do cs and fwc with. Really you should blame bluehole for making game where ping have such gigantic impact on pvp or gameplay in general.

This tbh

When it was first becoming a widespread tool, nobody was touting its ability to "cheat in pvp" or any of the other crazy stuff you can do with it now. Its claim to fame was its ability to mitigate ping tax and let even a European player enjoy the game as if they had low ping. If BHS had done something about this issue when we were all begging them to, instead of sitting on it for years and doing nothing, then there's almost no chance things would have gotten as bad as they are now. This game's great, its developers are terrible, and its community (i.e. literally one guy working on it for free in his spare time) came up with a solution that worked but opened the doors for a lot of other [filtered], and now we get to watch BHS throw xigncode at us and pretend like our version of the game doesn't exist every time we submit feedback.

Don't forget to purchase the new daily deal btw!

so true, so true
That last part had me rolling!
Lose 95% lol ur funny theres less than 5% ppl actually cheating with proxy you are delusional if u think 95% ppl use proxy
C4YJGXD393 wrote: »
Lose 95% lol ur funny theres less than 5% ppl actually cheating with proxy you are delusional if u think 95% ppl use proxy

Proxy discords have like 4k people in them so you miiiight be wrong
The xigncode patch even increased the amount of people cheating lol
CornishRex wrote: »
C4YJGXD393 wrote: »
Lose 95% lol ur funny theres less than 5% ppl actually cheating with proxy you are delusional if u think 95% ppl use proxy

Proxy discords have like 4k people in them so you miiiight be wrong
The xigncode patch even increased the amount of people cheating lol

It's way more than 4k. Closer to 9k.
TERA PC - General Discussion#14 Kira9807/09/2018, 09:19 PM
wow cheaters!
Don't worry we have the superpower Xigncode :^)
the xigncode patch caused an 800% increase in google searches for tera proxy within 4 days. EME just made more people use proxy by installing xigncode.
eme is not competent enough to stop people from cheating, they don't understand the most basic parts of the game, so how can you expect them to know if someone is cheating or not? even if you submit a video of someone doing impossible things, eme support can look at it and have no idea what's wrong and just assume you're incorrectly reporting someone.
C4YJGXD393 wrote: »
Lose 95% lol ur funny theres less than 5% ppl actually cheating with proxy you are delusional if u think 95% ppl use proxy

If you think less than 90% of the playerbase is / was using proxy , you're delusional
TERA PC - General Discussion#18 Yordan07/10/2018, 06:41 AM
C4YJGXD393 wrote: »
Lose 95% lol ur funny theres less than 5% ppl actually cheating with proxy you are delusional if u think 95% ppl use proxy

Lie to yourself.
i never have, nor will I ever use any 3rd party software to play with tera. if I had to use 3rd party software to play tera, then I would just quit. even if it wasn't against the tos, I wouldn't know for sure if I could trust those programs.
Shamless plug of a still-relevant video.

I'm sure all the proxy developers will fix skill prediction soon! Just another year I'm sure. ^^
TERA PC - General Discussion#21 Yordan07/10/2018, 01:38 PM
ZingoPingo wrote: »
Shamless plug of a still-relevant video.

I'm sure all the proxy developers will fix skill prediction soon! Just another year I'm sure. ^^

They can't fix it because they don't have server sided support.

Bluehole could implement their own prediction, majority of other games ship with it because not every country is korea with their single digit pings, but why bother. They would have to pay for it and it's better to keep those money in their pockets. If they did that long time ago proxy would prolly never even be developed and there wouldn't be an issue now. At this point they probably know that actually stopping proxy would cause this already dead game to completely die, because majority of 200 ping people who use it for sp would simply quit if they couldn't use it anymore. So we get pointless xigncode, which they know is useless to make it look like they are doing something lol.

In the end Ktera is the only proper version of this game, with actual balance while everything else is just there to make money and they don't give a flying [filtered] about anything other than that.
While I agree something should have been developed on their side for ping-compensation, I don't think that gives players the right to use these janky, unofficial, proxies.
So I guess bypass works. Need server-client protection. EME will never take my advice. I already broke it down of the issues with XIGNCODE.

HELP THE COMMUNITY PLEASE!

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TERA PC - General Discussion#24 voidy07/11/2018, 05:43 AM
While we're here talking about pvp cheaters, what is the official stance on people trading wins in 3s to artificially boost their rank? Because I'm sure that'll happen a lot once you start giving out masks for the top ranking players, and letting it go uninterrupted flies directly in the competitive spirit of pvp and pvp ranks, while also screwing over players who want a legitimate fight but have to deal with team after team forcing a draw because they didn't queue up against their fodder squad.
voidy wrote: »
While we're here talking about pvp cheaters, what is the official stance on people trading wins in 3s to artificially boost their rank? Because I'm sure that'll happen a lot once you start giving out masks for the top ranking players, and letting it go uninterrupted flies directly in the competitive spirit of pvp and pvp ranks, while also screwing over players who want a legitimate fight but have to deal with team after team forcing a draw because they didn't queue up against their fodder squad.

My guess would be the same thing that happened in Crucible of Flame when people started selling the top spots to people who wanted Smoulder. A whole lot of nothing at all.
TERA PC - General Discussion#26 voidy07/12/2018, 08:02 AM
TsukasaKun wrote: »
voidy wrote: »
While we're here talking about pvp cheaters, what is the official stance on people trading wins in 3s to artificially boost their rank? Because I'm sure that'll happen a lot once you start giving out masks for the top ranking players, and letting it go uninterrupted flies directly in the competitive spirit of pvp and pvp ranks, while also screwing over players who want a legitimate fight but have to deal with team after team forcing a draw because they didn't queue up against their fodder squad.

My guess would be the same thing that happened in Crucible of Flame when people started selling the top spots to people who wanted Smoulder. A whole lot of nothing at all.

You're probably right. I can't wait for the "pvp" guild on our server to clog the queues with fodder premades and ruin yet another aspect of the game, just so they can run around with their ranked titles and masks that they got from feeding themselves wins.

(long rant inc)

It's so gross; there isn't a single enticing ranked system in the game right now. PvP ranks are dominated by feeders, where you'll go in and see entire chunks of the group just "giving up" before the fight even starts so their friends on the other team can get an easy win. In some cases these people even SAY their friends are on the other team, and then proceed to not-heal, or park themselves at the spawn camp. Or if you don't get those scumbags, you'll get matched with people who don't speak English and just want to afk for their BG boxes. And god help you if you actually just want to do 3s, because now you'll get opposing teams being like "dang, we didn't get matched against our fodder team, h-hey wanna draw haha" over and over again.

Meanwhile, PvE ranks are split between the easiest content in the game (pit of petrax) and the hardest (AAHM), with nothing in between for some reason.

In the case of AAHM, those ranks are basically on lock with one guild's static monopolizing the top ranks across multiple classes. While I have no problem with this alone, since they actually earned their spot, it still sucks since it's one of the few ranking systems in the game and 99% of people shouldn't even bother to try and compete since a prize is only awarded to the classes at the very top. Basically if you're a support class without a dedicated static, don't bother because some other lancer/brawler/priest/mystic already beat you to it with a group that's way better prepared for that level of content, and odds are you won't beat their time since these people practically do tera content for a living. Again, no problem with that, but it creates a "why bother" attitude towards the whole ranking thing for 99.9% of people, which isn't a feeling you should want to instill in a community regarding the one competitive aspect it has at the moment. This could be fixed by just putting a ranking system for more dungeons, or heck, for all of them. I don't know what the logic was behind *just* AAHM.

And then pit of petrax is just a sad mess. Let's go through the list of what we already know.
1. Xigncode doesn't stop anyone from cheating at this game. Fact.
2. The scripting community is in the thousands by now, with most remaining players at least using proxy to mitigate the problem of high ping. Fact.
3. Certain proxy developers sell private scripts for exorbitant fees that allow their customers to do things that an ordinary player could not do, like macro an entire rotation really fast. Fact.
4. Pit of petrax is an instanced solo dungeon, meaning the player goes in alone and competes against a timer using techniques that nobody else can see. Fact.
5. One-shot cheats have been released in the past, with the infamous and highly bannable 'memeslash' being just one example. Fact.
6. The pit of petrax top ranks are dominated by a bunch of really really really short clears that everyone just assumes must be theoretically possible despite the game's current climate. Fact.

Solo instanced rankings are a breeding ground for cheaters to get a good score in a way that goes virtually unnoticed, so maybe next time just make the babby ranking a low tier dungeon instead since genuine cheaters are usually less willing to cheat in a group, and people who party with cheaters are wary of doing so because they don't want to get banned with the cheater. Not even saying every high scorer in pit of petrax is a private scripter but *come the [filtered] on* if you honestly don't think a few are then I have a bridge to sell you.

Honestly if you're gonna bring back ranks, do it like they used to be implemented. Consider having multiple party dungeon ranks, not just one. It's widely understood that content like AAHM is really only designed for a small part of the population, so limiting party dungeon ranks to AAHM effectively tells most of this game's community to just play something else if they want to be competitive. There are unofficial dps rankings that have more variety than this, and they're maintained by people living off donations. Consider organizing your rankings by dungeon tier, with a ranking setup for something easy like RG/KC/SF that counts 2 categories: speed, and quantity. This way, even some dude who isn't in full +9SC still feels like he can try and get ranked if he just does the dungeon enough times. Make another category for mid tier dungeons with a timed rank and a quantity rank, another one for 439s with the same setup, another for 446s, and then keep the AAHM one as well. This at least gives more players more opportunities to participate in the new system, even if it very well could get monopolized by the same crowd. Then create some kind of consolation prize, instead of only giving a prize to one person at the top of each class rank. Maybe do like a great ePeen title/mask prize for the #1 player and then consolation stuff for the top 5 or top 10 or something, just to keep people playing the game.

Then in the case of pvp, if you're gonna rank it and make people get competitive over it, then you've gotta have someone watching these matches somehow to make sure they're fair, I'm sorry. I know you guys are shortstaffed as heII, but if you don't want people to get discouraged and just drop out, or worse start cheating themselves, then you've gotta do something about all the cheating and feeding going on. A thread was just made here where someone called out a well known cheater guild and it was locked for not going through the official channels. I'd be really surprised if they haddn't been reported a long time ago. Where are the bans, man.

And when you're done doing all of that, look at the guild ranking system and award something for the top 10 guilds on each server since most of them have been grinding since the guild ranking system was implemented to keep their ranks and they haven't even gotten anything for it, but feeders and scripters and cheaters are about to get masks and fancy titles for bullshitting their way to the top.
I think just changing the code for matchmaking would help a lot since there would be no more sync queue of oath geared ppl vs eq ppl also the balance of class between team should be better. Yesterday was a good exemple with the 5 sync queue valk all evevning hunting eq ppl I don’t think they lost a single game.
Pvp in tera is just garbage now, just cheaters with proxy and even worst, a really toxic community, you see all the time people kicking who isn't end geared or not a pvp class, so how you're supposed to get better gear if people keep kicking you from bgs, and bgs giving enchanting rewards?
Tera is dead and pvp is even more dead, ego players are huge and they just don't care about anything but themselves and their gears and guilds.
HWL4H4X5PR wrote: »
Pvp in tera is just garbage now, just cheaters with proxy and even worst, a really toxic community, you see all the time people kicking who isn't end geared or not a pvp class, so how you're supposed to get better gear if people keep kicking you from bgs, and bgs giving enchanting rewards?
Tera is dead and pvp is even more dead, ego players are huge and they just don't care about anything but themselves and their gears and guilds.

I don't get this comment at all LOL
"isn't end geared" Ummm... Battlegrounds are equalized, I don't understand how you are getting kicked for gear... you get kicked cause you are probably using PvE crystals LOL
"not a pvp class" All classes are a PvP class LOL
"so how you're supposed to get better gear if people keep kicking you from bgs, and bgs giving enchanting rewards?" Did you forget about dungeons? XD Battlegrounds aren't the only place you can get enchanting materials
"they just don't care about anything but themselves and their gears and guilds." I believe there is a thing called friends lol...
HWL4H4X5PR wrote: »
Pvp in tera is just garbage now, just cheaters with proxy and even worst, a really toxic community, you see all the time people kicking who isn't end geared or not a pvp class, so how you're supposed to get better gear if people keep kicking you from bgs, and bgs giving enchanting rewards?
Tera is dead and pvp is even more dead, ego players are huge and they just don't care about anything but themselves and their gears and guilds.

I don't get this comment at all LOL
"isn't end geared" Ummm... Battlegrounds are equalized, I don't understand how you are getting kicked for gear... you get kicked cause you are probably using PvE crystals LOL
"not a pvp class" All classes are a PvP class LOL
"so how you're supposed to get better gear if people keep kicking you from bgs, and bgs giving enchanting rewards?" Did you forget about dungeons? XD Battlegrounds aren't the only place you can get enchanting materials
"they just don't care about anything but themselves and their gears and guilds." I believe there is a thing called friends lol...

No im not using pve crystals, and no one strong wants to be friend of a non geared person, (tera community can be toxic sometimes haha)

My point is, if you farm 1 day on dugeons and 1 day on bgs you'll see the huge diference that is unbalanced how much mats bgs is giving now, and how this is helping to pvp being a bad experience to skilled pvp players, i gave my perspective from a player without pvp skills more detailed in a new topic that people are talking about pvp you should take a look,

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/27960/constant-degradation-of-pvp-is-appalling/p1
Battlegrounds aren't the only place you can get enchanting materials
Did you just conveniently forget how useless and unrewarding dungeons are
Bg boxes are a million times better, and unless pvp and pve rewards balance out, you'll be seeing a lot of pvers in bgs.
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