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TERA PC - General Discussion: SUMMER FESTIVAL TOKEN NERF!!?
150 per loot box. 150. For one LOOT BOX?? Before it was what... 10?? 30?? Depending on the type if I remember correctly?

It's like you're trying to upset your playerbase at this point.

Come on!

There was ZERO reason to change it. If you are just gonna nerf everything you touch, don't touch it!! If it ain't broke don't fix it!! Why would you do this? Did you actually think anybody would be happy about this change? I can't imagine you could. Most of the people looking forward to this event are players who have been playing for at least a year if not more. So then what was your thinking on it. That you wanted to upset people?? Literally please help me understand because this just seems cruel.

Most people do not have a ton of alts to farm this event on, and even if they do, the time to do so.

I literally do not need these mats at all either. I could get way more, and way faster, doing dungeons. And so can most other people. ????

I hate to complain but you nerfed it when there was NO reason to nerf it! I don't think it has changed much at all in the past few years, so why would you even change it in the first place. It's a nostalgic fun TERA experience. It's a chance for the people who don't have a bunch of gold/money to get some swimsuits that they've been wanting. It's not like it was easy to get swimsuits from it before either. You had to farm it and have good rng and do it on some alts. But this? This is just ridiculous. I hope this is a joke. I've been looking forward to this for MONTHS.

And you just ruined it.
Nice job.

And I'm sure I'm not the only person who feels this way, am I.
last year it was 20 for the beach party ones, and 10 for the other one. but yea I don't like this it's very ridiculous!!!!
Definitely not the only person. It would take me 2 days to farm and get 1 box. I have a life outside Tera. I can't farm every day. This event had me really enthused and genuinely disappointed me. This is the first year (since 2013 when I started playing) that this event has disappointed me.
0 outta 10... would definitely NOT recommend.

(Also was wondering why it was the daily deal if we could get them for free later in the day, and now it makes perfect sense.)
You get free things from an event and you still complain? LoL
TERA PC - General Discussion#5 Fezoh06/21/2018, 10:18 PM
imagine living on tera forums and having an opposite, unpopular opinion at every thread you go to (ElinUsagi)
You should know what the reason is, and if you don't let me put it in the easiest way to understand: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

They've been getting reaaally greedy recently.
Last year it gave smartbox costumes, if you got one. This year, if you're lucky enough to even get a costume it'll probably be amani (I'm not racist, I have lots of amani friends.)

I get that last year gave out too many swimsuit costumes, but this is really far FAR too little.

Can we have rewards that are neither "Super duper ultra mega crazy" good or "I'm slicing my beans up into three because I'm starving" poor, but somewhere inbetween?
Like I didn't expect this event to be as good as last years, since pretty much all EME events have been lackluster in the past few months/since Spacecats has gone even, but this is pretty awful. The loot box isn't even guaranteed a costume for your race. A player is not going to be happy working days for a CHANCE at an item that will likely not even be usable.
The enchanting mats offered are okay, but them being pretty much the only items is not. Talents are the bottleneck for most enchanting, and people have been providing feedback on that for months. Also, they shouldn't really be offering these mats - these are the mats that people drop from dungeons, that they should be encouraging people to run. Talents are the things that drop is unusable amounts from ONLY low-tier, while the mats they are offering for the event span ALL the dungeons. By offering it here, it is reducing the already low motivation to run dungeons.
im soooooooo pissed was looking forward to the event for a while cause i loved it so much last year, this is just stupit! :angry:

also the medallion shop in the Balder area does not even have the loot box only the beach questline
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TERA PC - General Discussion#10 Zoknahal06/21/2018, 10:30 PM
Definitely not the best shop.

After checking out the token shops, both of them, i think the playerbase would be happier with something like this (reminder this might be a repeat of something i posted in other thread):

Claret Medallion
Food Tab: Leave as it is
Extras: Sandy summer loot box price should be changed to 20 or 30 tokens. 150 is out of question and it feels like you are trying to force us to do farming instead of having fun. Getting the box should not be a chore, it should be something extra that you can get for participating in the events.

Temple Medallion
Materials: Insulting to say the least. Replace everything in this tab with Metamorphic Tokens and add Golden and Silver Talents maybe (this would somehow help with the current situation with talents, and make players participate of the events) Maybe add gem boxes too since we need those for enchanting too.
Extras: No one buys noctenium infusers from the VG shop. I suggest replacing those 2 with Superior Noctenium Elixir, and increase the price to 5 tokens per.
Strong potions, mehh, i would suggest to reduce the cost to 1, but i guess is fine like this.
Root beer? We can already get massive amounts of those through the Bamarama boxes. If i am not mistaken, you can still buy those boxes from the Bamarama NPCs the moment it starts. But i suppose is still ok, considering you still gotta deal with rng to get it, would not recommend to buy those if you can still get Bamarama boxes
Would add instead, shape changers. those are funny items to have, considering you can literally bend the game logic of physics with the right combination of em :)
And maybe like last year, Add Fashion Coupon Loot Boxes too.

I do hope EME can take this feedback and change the shops for the sake of not upsetting the community anymore.
it has to be an error. this is too ridiculous to be true
TERA PC - General Discussion#12 Galiers06/21/2018, 10:43 PM
150 is a jocke... then u need luck to open it and dont "win" a accessory

need to spacecat back !!!
TERA PC - General Discussion#13 Zoknahal06/21/2018, 10:51 PM
Galiers wrote: »
150 is a jocke... then u need luck to open it and dont "win" a accessory

need to spacecat back !!!

We shouldn't focus on who is in charge right now. I do not like to complain, but even i did not liked the event shop, and i most of the times just roll with it, but i gotta agree i was also looking forward to some free swimsuits and other cool stuff.

This isn't about bringing back Spacecats, or Tonka, or Minea, etc. IS about the current staff in charge, to take the feedback from the players, and actually put it to use and show it. @KitTeaCup is new, on top of it, our new CM, so instead of lashing at her like many are already doing, I encourage you:

@KitTeaCup Listen to this community. If you are the new CM, and on top of it, a new player to TERA, then you should know by now, that the community knows best when it comes to stuff in token shops and other things, because we are the ones who play this game daily.

For the sake of keeping it constructive, I ask you to please, revise the Token shops of the events, and act upon the feedback the players give you. It doesn't have to contain everything the players ask you, but with some changes here and there, it can become a better shop that will encourage players to participate of the events. Former CM Spacecats realized this late, but at least acted upon feedback later on, and when the token shop of an event totally sucked (cannot remember which event) Spacecats went ahead and changed it the next few days.

We all want to have fun with the festivities, but is no fun if is not rewarding.

PS: Forgot to add that the Temple Medallions need to have the Sandy Loot Box too.
> @ElinUsagi said:
> You get free things from an event and you still complain? LoL
>
> If you don't want to farm them you can buy them with money.

It's not free. It costs a lot of time to get 150 tokens. Free would be if I received it from a code, or in parcel without any effort being put in from my end. Anything that costs time is not free period.

Events are supposed to be fun and rewarding, since theyre, you know, events. If I'm not encouraged to do an event and nobody wants to participate because other content is more worth their time, the event isn't a very good one.
TERA PC - General Discussion#15 Rakden06/21/2018, 11:05 PM
Based on price of materials from Temple Medallion shop, I wouldn't be suprised if both Beach and Balder's quests were meant to give 5x or 10x more tokens (like, come on, one quest is... 2? 4? Temple medallions, while Refining Elixir costs 3). This would also explain why you need few days of grinding for one lootbox (or many, many chars at once).

I guess I will personally save up these Medallions just in case it was some nasty bug after all.
Seriously enmasse...you guys are missing the point...

Events were meant to be FUN...most ppl don't care ONE BIT for consumables or stuff to enchant equipment...by the way,these events should be something to make us FORGET the fact that we have to spend tons of gems and mats and money trying to enchant weapons and armor, only fo fail more times than we can succeed...

If i go to a tera event, i don't want to spend any reward i can get buying consumables...i want lootboxes...MOST PEOPLE want lootboxes...MOST PEOPLE want to try their luck and win costumes...it's the whole point of going to these events...not to spend a lot of time and effort to gather tokens for buying consumables...we already have tons of emblems for that...

you guys charged 150 for ONE lootbox...that's so lame that i can only laugh...and only the beach tokens give the option to buy it...so basically,the ones we get at the festival of the sun are mostly useless...way to go enmasse...that's another messed up event you guys did...

since it's the 1st day, maybe you guys can see this thread, get your stuff together and fix this whole failure of an event before everyone loses interest...

Please, fix the lootboxes' cost like it was in last year's event and lets us use the temple tokens to buy them too...otherwise, you guys should give up...bring back the ppl who managed the events in the past...some of them surelly knew what they were doing...

enough of butchering the events, please...
TERA PC - General Discussion#17 Bankaidz06/21/2018, 11:49 PM
150 tokens to 1 box??????? :^)
TERA PC - General Discussion#18 Yordan06/21/2018, 11:56 PM
Cash grab.

Make them ridiculously expensive with earnable ingame items to generate more sales.
In case anyone was curious, you'd have to grind SEVEN characters a day through both events to get 1 loot box. Who has that time? -_-
TERA PC - General Discussion#20 Zoknahal06/22/2018, 12:26 AM
Everything would be fine if EME just add the Sandy box back into the Temple Medallions, and reduce its cost to 20 per claret, and 10 per temple, like the last year.

Like i said, the shops do not have to have everything the players asked you EME (so far i am the only one who had given you a rough idea of what players would see as a rewarding shop, and thus, would enjoy the festivities) just this small change to the sandy boxes, and you would redeem yourself.
what about people that have only 1 or 2 characters? they'll get MAYBE one box after weeks of grinding. I feel bad for those people.
TERA PC - General Discussion#22 metagame06/22/2018, 12:30 AM
what about people that have only 1 or 2 characters? they'll get MAYBE one box after weeks of grinding. I feel bad for those people.
the quests are available at 58, make a bunch of reapers
TERA PC - General Discussion#23 Elinu106/22/2018, 12:36 AM
Crap event.
TERA PC - General Discussion#24 Kduddi06/22/2018, 12:36 AM
I'm extremely disappointed, Eme. It’s too expensive
Please, put the old price in the Sandy Summer box. =(
In case anyone was curious, you'd have to grind SEVEN characters a day through both events to get 1 loot box. Who has that time? -_-

The math is off there.

You can only use Claret (read: beach) Medals this time, and the most you can get per character is 12. Since it takes 150 medals to get a Summer Fun box, that means you actually need 13 characters (equaling 156 medals) in order to get one (1) box in a day.
No, I've been grinding. You get 12 at beach and 12 at temple AS WELL as 10 temple medallions.
No, I've been grinding. You get 12 at beach and 12 at temple AS WELL as 10 temple medallions.

Huh. I must've missed something. I don't recall getting beach medals at the temple. I'll double-check.
This is really disappointing, I don't even feel like logging in to do the event now.
If the boxes always dropped a swimsuit I'd understand but as it stands...everyone will grind for hours for a few cruddy sunglasses.
TERA PC - General Discussion#29 ReChoa06/22/2018, 12:49 AM
>literally forced to farm alts if you want more than a SINGLE loot box because you're literally unable to get 300 medallions within 10 days with just one character
>the loot box isn't even guaranteed to give anything useful
lmao [filtered] off eme
@SageWindu

You get them from the banquet of blood :3
@SageWindu

You get them from the banquet of blood :3

Yup. I forgot to do the other "intro" quest that then gives you the "major" quests for the event.

Apologies.
No worries. The only person, erm... people who have anything to be sorry about is whoever made the decision to make summer fest pointless.

3 hours almost grinding my 4 characters through, and will finally have enough for 1 box tomorrow after grinding 3 again. >_<
Some misc points regarding this issue partly from the discussion on Discord:
  • It was mentioned on Discard that the box not being on the other token merchant might have been an error, as the news post indicated you could get the box with either token. They're looking into this. Hopefully that part gets fixed.
  • Last year's win rate was so generous that it devalued the broker price of all the related costumes and accessories for months (some of them are still devalued now, which was otherwise unheard of in years before that). So I honestly did expect the rate to be nerfed, though maybe this extent (the new price combined with the fact it's not giving smartboxes) is too drastic.
  • Another point that makes this year different from last year is that the event is running for double as long. Last year, it ran from July 13 to August 1, whereas this year it's running from June 21 to July 31. This probably also contributed to the change, since people have more time to farm.
  • One thing that hasn't been announced yet is what other ways there might be to earn tokens. If there are other ways to earn tokens, as happened with the anniversary token, it may help explain the price. Waiting for an answer on this.

Anyway, the price issue was definitely brought up as a concern, and we'll see what more information or changes are forthcoming. As people know by now, the pattern is always "start high and go lower" rather than the other way around.

ReChoa wrote: »
>literally forced to farm alts if you want more than a SINGLE loot box because you're literally unable to get 300 medallions within 10 days with just one character
Personally speaking, this is why I don't think this reward structure is a good idea for this game in general, because there's a huge discrepancy between what a casual player and a dedicated player can earn. There's no real way to balance this because if it's good enough so that each character gets a reward per day, then someone will be that much more incentivized to farm it on all their alts. And even if you somehow made it so that the rewards were once per account, it just helps people with tons of accounts. The only real way is to make the rewards untradable, but you don't want to do that if it's going to be RNG. So anyway, it's a real mess.
TERA PC - General Discussion#34 Kduddi06/22/2018, 01:08 AM
In case anyone was curious, you'd have to grind SEVEN characters a day through both events to get 1 loot box. Who has that time? -_-

you're right
TERA PC - General Discussion#35 Zoknahal06/22/2018, 01:10 AM
@counterpoint Im all for everything you just mentioned, but this is EME we are talking about. You as a member of the player council (and probably the most involved) have come to give us this news that are also available in the EME discord, but why has an EME employee havent responded yet?

The community would be a little bit more calm if an actual EME employee comes and answer to this thread with what is planned to fix the ongoing issues.

I share the same thought that everyone in this thread: And Event should be fun and rewarding, but as it is right now, is not rewarding, and by default, no fun. Is only a grindfest forced upon us.

If EME wants to get out of this mess, they simply have to come clean on this.
Zoknahal wrote: »
The community would be a little bit more calm if an actual EME employee comes and answer to this thread with what is planned to fix the ongoing issues.

Just to be clear, I just wanted to share what I know for people who weren't on the Discord, and wasn't trying to replace them coming in themselves and addressing the issue. Hopefully they will.
@counterpoint Can they just hire you to be our official forum responder? I see you respond more than anyone else and most of the time in an extremely timely fashion. :3

Thanks for the info. It's good to know that it was possibly just a mistake to not include loot boxes with the temple medallions. Hopefully this will all get sorted out.
TERA PC - General Discussion#38 Satchin06/22/2018, 01:48 AM
I'm just worried that people who do farm, spend all that effort getting a box will open it and get some worthless back item or hat.
Some misc points regarding this issue partly from the discussion on Discord:
  • Last year's win rate was so generous that it devalued the broker price of all the related costumes and accessories for months (some of them are still devalued now, which was otherwise unheard of in years before that). So I honestly did expect the rate to be nerfed, though maybe this extent (the new price combined with the fact it's not giving smartboxes) is too drastic.

EME altered the cost of Summer Festival Boxes because some people were having trouble selling them on the broker?

Sheesh.

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SageWindu wrote: »
Some misc points regarding this issue partly from the discussion on Discord:
  • Last year's win rate was so generous that it devalued the broker price of all the related costumes and accessories for months (some of them are still devalued now, which was otherwise unheard of in years before that). So I honestly did expect the rate to be nerfed, though maybe this extent (the new price combined with the fact it's not giving smartboxes) is too drastic.

EME altered the cost of Summer Festival Boxes because some people were having trouble selling them on the broker?

Sheesh.

Not only that, EME is going to make direct sales from swimsuits so making this year event broken as the last year will make the cash shop uselss.

This is a bussiness not a charity house.
SageWindu wrote: »
Some misc points regarding this issue partly from the discussion on Discord:
  • Last year's win rate was so generous that it devalued the broker price of all the related costumes and accessories for months (some of them are still devalued now, which was otherwise unheard of in years before that). So I honestly did expect the rate to be nerfed, though maybe this extent (the new price combined with the fact it's not giving smartboxes) is too drastic.

EME altered the cost of Summer Festival Boxes because some people were having trouble selling them on the broker?

Sheesh.

First of all, just to be clear, this was a point that we discussed on Discord, but this isn't something specifically stated by the staff. But, just to be honest, EME isn't going to want cash shop items to be devalued that much, because selling cosmetics is largely what pays for the game. If all the items are super-cheap on the broker and earned easily in-game, who will ever buy anything? So that's why it doesn't surprise me. They didn't explicitly say this... but sort of putting two and two together. (Like how Kyra's Catalyst and blue box events got nerfed when they were over-farmed and the rewards devalued.)
TERA PC - General Discussion#42 Zoknahal06/22/2018, 02:43 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
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SageWindu wrote: »
Some misc points regarding this issue partly from the discussion on Discord:
  • Last year's win rate was so generous that it devalued the broker price of all the related costumes and accessories for months (some of them are still devalued now, which was otherwise unheard of in years before that). So I honestly did expect the rate to be nerfed, though maybe this extent (the new price combined with the fact it's not giving smartboxes) is too drastic.

EME altered the cost of Summer Festival Boxes because some people were having trouble selling them on the broker?

Sheesh.

Not only that, EME is going to make direct sales from swimsuits so making this year event broken as the last year will make the cash shop uselss.

This is a bussiness not a charity house.

I have to disagree politely with you. Sure, from a business point of view, giving away swimsuits for free in game would definitely take a hit on the swimsuits sales, but is not about the sales we are talking about. Is about the outrageous cost on the Sandy boxes, the time each player would need to get just 1 box, and the fact that is not single character friendly like last year. New players that are looking forward to this event are most likely, or will be, disappointed since they pretty much will be forced to create new characters they will never use again, only for the sake of this event, cause lets face it, the main item everyone was looking forward, was the sandy loot boxes.

If they want to make sales, they are already gonna do that, by offering through the daily deals, the RNG costumes from the loot boxes, for direct sale. Plus there is a new lineup of swimsuits coming next week, so they will make sales on that too.

We aren't asking for handouts of swimsuits in game, we are just asking to make the event more enjoyable for everyone, by fixing the token shops to make them rewarding, not a chore.
Zoknahal wrote: »
Is about the outrageous cost on the Sandy boxes, the time each player would need to get just 1 box, and the fact that is not single character friendly like last year.

I'm not really disagreeing with you, but what would you recommend as a way of going about this that is "single character friendly" while at the same time not being subject to excessive farming with people of lots of alts or accounts, and can remain stable for a 5 1/2 week period of possible farming?
@ElinUsagi @counterpoint

This is going to sound a little crazy, but if EME made it so that people wanted to spend money, we'd have less threads like this with less comments like mine (for starters).

Instead, we have questionable decision ("streamlining" customer service) after questionable decision (gutting the store) after questionable decision (the current XIGNCODE debacle) and many people seem to be pretty friggin' tired of it. And they're taking their wallets with them.
Doesn't seem like they're too interested in changing token amounts after being notified of complaints on Discord. Singlebear says it's enough for 1 character to get 1 box a week. There's 4-5 weeks to the event so that's roughly 5 boxes per character for the whole event.

Don't really blame them, but it takes a lot of the fun out of the event.
TERA PC - General Discussion#46 Svafnir06/22/2018, 03:09 AM
But what would you recommend as a way of going about this that is "single character friendly" while at the same time not being subject to excessive farming with people of lots of alts or accounts, and can remain stable for a 5 1/2 week period of possible farming?

If the main reason they are doing it this way right now is because "welp, we gave away TOO many stuffz and it screwed up economy" (first of all they seem to be doing that FAR TOO OFTEN with their "fancy" events, they either gloriously overdo it or they give us slavework for a meager reward)... Make them UNTRADEABLE.
150 token for a single item that may or may not be usable by any of my chars... yeah no, my soul would be best spent gambling with the devils and the chances of getting something worthwile would be far better.

Half the price (possibly a bit lower), SMARTBOX, UNTRADEABLE... if anyone gets something cool, they can use it, if they overdo it, they have to DISCARD it... if someone wants something specific, SPEND MONIES, not everyone will be willing to farm the event with 1283596192674 chars to get 502753083641902753 boxes, plus making them untradeable gives less reason to overdo the event if you do get what you're after.

Can someone do the math... assuming we even know the exact items that are included in the box? I'm curious as to what my chances of getting a single blue jammers for castanic male would be, prove my point.

Events are supposed to be fun and in the case of videogames, REWARDING... this feels a whole lot more like being offered lube after being fisted dry.
TERA PC - General Discussion#47 Zoknahal06/22/2018, 03:10 AM
Zoknahal wrote: »
Is about the outrageous cost on the Sandy boxes, the time each player would need to get just 1 box, and the fact that is not single character friendly like last year.

I'm not really disagreeing with you, but what would you recommend as a way of going about this that is "single character friendly" while at the same time not being subject to excessive farming with people of lots of alts or accounts, and can remain stable for a 5 1/2 week period of possible farming?

I'm glad you asked, i was just about to provide 2 possible ways to fix the issue:

- Extreme solution: Remove the sandy box altogether, and replace it with a generic useful item everyone will want to farm those same tokens for, such as Golden or Silver Talents. This way you fix the ongoing issue with the talents, and you make sure the sales on swimsuits will stay on point.
- Remove all swimsuits from the Sandy box. Turn it into a generic accessory box that can yield as well useful consumables like Superior Noctenium Elixir.

In the end, as i said, The people that will be the most affected by this change, will be those who only farm on a single character or maybe 2. Those players will have absolutely no fun just getting 1 box per week. On the other hand, people with many alts will feel their time is wasted if they are getting so little boxes for the amount of time they are putting into the event.

This is not about "Is enough 1 box per week" nor excessive farming. This is about making an event fun, enjoyable and rewarding, without limiting your playerbase, which is exactly what EME is doing, by limiting the amount of rewards we can get, and denying easy access to this rewards by people with less amount of characters.
Event I’ll be generous I’ll give a 0/10
Zoknahal wrote: »
Zoknahal wrote: »
Is about the outrageous cost on the Sandy boxes, the time each player would need to get just 1 box, and the fact that is not single character friendly like last year.

I'm not really disagreeing with you, but what would you recommend as a way of going about this that is "single character friendly" while at the same time not being subject to excessive farming with people of lots of alts or accounts, and can remain stable for a 5 1/2 week period of possible farming?

I'm glad you asked, i was just about to provide 2 possible ways to fix the issue:

- Extreme solution: Remove the sandy box altogether, and replace it with a generic useful item everyone will want to farm those same tokens for, such as Golden or Silver Talents. This way you fix the ongoing issue with the talents, and you make sure the sales on swimsuits will stay on point.
- Remove all swimsuits from the Sandy box. Turn it into a generic accessory box that can yield as well useful consumables like Superior Noctenium Elixir.

With either of these proposed solutions, you could presumably just leave the existing box there (whether people will save up for it or not) and just add additional separate items like the above to the merchant. (That said, I am guessing they may not be allowed to add gold/silver talents to a farmable event merchant, but only my guess.)
TERA PC - General Discussion#50 voidy06/22/2018, 03:33 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
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SageWindu wrote: »
Some misc points regarding this issue partly from the discussion on Discord:
  • Last year's win rate was so generous that it devalued the broker price of all the related costumes and accessories for months (some of them are still devalued now, which was otherwise unheard of in years before that). So I honestly did expect the rate to be nerfed, though maybe this extent (the new price combined with the fact it's not giving smartboxes) is too drastic.

EME altered the cost of Summer Festival Boxes because some people were having trouble selling them on the broker?

Sheesh.


This is a bussiness not a charity house.

Could've surprised me, with how they deleted half the cash shop recently. :joy:
SageWindu wrote: »
@ElinUsagi @counterpoint

This is going to sound a little crazy, but if EME made it so that people wanted to spend money, we'd have less threads like this with less comments like mine (for starters).


Omg omg some GETS it
If EME made TERA a game that is enjoyable people will spend money regardless. Because they like the game enough that they want to support it, monetary.
Can we make this guy product manager? only if Seandynamite would understand this concept.
150 for acessories kkkk flop event
The game is already with few players
and the event that could bring more people together
he is spoiled
ladyraines wrote: »
Omg omg some GETS it
If EME made TERA a game that is enjoyable people will spend money regardless. Because they like the game enough that they want to support it, monetary.
While I respect your pie-in-the-sky "if you build it, they will come" sort of optimism, it's pretty obvious that it's not that simple in practice. If you throw free cash shop items at people just to make them happy, how many of them are really going to buy them on the cash shop? Why would anyone else buy them on the cash shop if they're dirt cheap on the broker -- a literal waste of money? (What are the people who do buy them on the cash shop going to feel when they find out later they could have bought it for 5k gold on the broker and saved their $10+?) So, you're right to a point (unhappy customers certainly won't spend!), but there's a balancing point to this. EME's run plenty of events in the past that were basically trying to "buy people's happiness" with over-generous rewards, and that isn't really a long-term business strategy. There has to be a middle ground that everyone can accept.
TERA PC - General Discussion#54 TJKat06/22/2018, 04:03 AM
I get it, last year was just too much. I completely agree with that; I had more boxes than I knew what to do with. But this is taking things to the complete opposite extreme. If we were guaranteed to get a swimsuit smartbox, okay, 1 box per character per week I could live with, but with no guarantee of getting a suit for a race/gender I can even use (or of even getting a swimsuit at all), the grind involved is just not worth it.

I'd been looking forward to this all year. I even have some vacation time right away and was planning on spending a decent chunk of it on this event, but I guess I'm going to stick to logging on long enough to collect calendar rewards and keep up log-in buff, and then go play a fun game instead.

Also, 6 weeks is too long. I thought the three weeks it ran last year was too long - by the third week, it became a chore. After 6 weeks, i don't think I'm ever going to be looking forward to this event again. None of these events should last more than 2 weeks.
TJKat wrote: »
If we were guaranteed to get a swimsuit smartbox, okay, 1 box per character per week I could live with, but with no guarantee of getting a suit for a race/gender I can even use (or of even getting a swimsuit at all), the grind involved is just not worth it.

If everyone were guaranteed to get a permanent swimsuit for each character they do dailies on every week for 5-6 weeks... that's an awful lot of swimsuits just for doing simple (though repetitive) dailies. It creates the "you'd be stupid to buy them!" effect again, as opposed to just "nice rare reward." I do agree with you, though, that a big part of the problem is the length of the event. If it were a two week event, as you say, then the earning rate you proposed makes more sense.
Zoknahal wrote: »
Everything would be fine if EME just add the Sandy box back into the Temple Medallions, and reduce its cost to 20 per claret, and 10 per temple, like the last year.

Like i said, the shops do not have to have everything the players asked you EME (so far i am the only one who had given you a rough idea of what players would see as a rewarding shop, and thus, would enjoy the festivities) just this small change to the sandy boxes, and you would redeem yourself.

I wasn't going to add to the thread--far more eloquent people than I have done so. But the above is right.

I love the Beach event most of all the year. When I had only one character above 48, I could still earn something nice. When my poor computer could not handle dungeons, I could still grind events like this to stockpile something for a little gold later in the year.

It always felt like a party. It WORKED.

This.

I'm pushing like I always do, but it is entirely on faith that you will decide to do something positive about this.

Unlike some of the others here, I thought you handled the anniversary pretty well. I love the ongoing and varied medium level events every week. I think you are making some positive changes very slowly and with a great deal of thought. And I know it takes a while to integrate a new person into the staff, to figure out who has what responsibility and to partner new talent with the experience to handle a rambunctious lot such as ourselves.

And I don't think you should blindly trust us--we'll take the store if you let us.

But. This is a huge deviation from a pattern that worked for the fanbase, with no known downside as far as the players were aware. The reasoning behind this is frankly, opaque to me.

PLEASE listen, consider, and hopefully use Zoknahal's suggestions to start a conversation. Then give us something worthy of the party.

...btw thank you for the water guns. They are wicked awesome cool and completely RNG free. Thank you very much.

Not however liking the water bombs that show other peoples underwear. That makes me very uncomfortable. Doesn't mean I want you to get rid of them. Just that I really really don't like them.
@counterpoint
Ok so what's up with eme making events five times as long and spread out the rewards hardcore? Does eme understand the concept of fun?
None of my friends farmed those anniversary mongos or w.e, they only started farming once the aot bams appeared because, shocker, the mongos were so hard to find nobody even wanted to try. And eme's argument for that was "well the event will last for the whole month so we had to make is sparse, because it totally makes sense a player would a utistically farm these through the whole month!!"
We will experience the same thing with this event.

Also, I thought the tradition was that eme makes money off the NEW swimsuits, while players get a chance to get the old swimsuits through ingame means. I can already see which pc member complained they couldn't sell millions of old swimsuits on the broker. I certainly didn't have trouble selling all of mine though so idk what's up with that. God forbid there's one type of cheap costumes to obtain on the broker sheesh...
Also maybe if bhs made new swimsuits work with bresstchangers they'd make more money, just sayin :)))
CornishRex wrote: »
Also, I thought the tradition was that eme makes money off the NEW swimsuits, while players get a chance to get the old swimsuits through ingame means.
It happened last year, but before that it was only ever the very first 2012 ("series 1"?) costumes that had been available through this event, in the early days. In other years, they kept bringing the older swimsuits back to the store in addition to the new ones. Last year they were both in the event and on the store.

CornishRex wrote: »
I can already see which pc member complained they couldn't sell millions of old swimsuits on the broker. I certainly didn't have trouble selling all of mine though so idk what's up with that. God forbid there's one type of cheap costumes to obtain on the broker sheesh...
First of all, just FWIW, I don't think this had any direct correlation to any PC comments. (I didn't know the price until it launched today, tbh.) Second, because it wasn't discussed, what I'm about to say is just my own opinion about what might be going on.

I don't think there was any concern last year about being able to sell them on the broker at all. Sure they sold. But the issue is a lot more nuanced than this.

I'm not saying you have to care, but EME has to care that the items that people pay money for aren't rendered totally valueless by careless over-supply. Last year, as I mentioned, they were both selling all the swimsuits (including via some lootboxes) and giving them away through this event. So imagine you just spent $100 on lootboxes to get the swimsuit you wanted. Then you happen to look on the broker later that same day and see that the same swimsuit is selling for 10k gold because people farmed it to exhaustion via the event. You'd be incensed, and you'd likely never give EME any money again. You can say "buyer beware!" or "they should have looked on the broker first!" but EME can't take that attitude if they want people to give them money.

It's like... earlier this week, after a very long break, the dyeable Elin maid costumes were finally put up for daily deals for 4995 EMP each. They were wildly in demand and I know a lot of people who bought them. Imagine that today, EME had decided to put them on the medallion merchant for 150 tokens or something. People who literally just spent ~$44 on this would demand their money back. What EME did last year was like that.

If they were doing like what you said and every year the old costumes were only available in-game, and the new costumes were on the cash shop, that might be a different story... but even still, you have to be careful. If you sell a lootbox rare this year for $50, but then next year make it plentiful and easy to get in-game for minimal work/gold, people will quickly learn "don't bother buying any swimsuits; just wait until next year and they'll be free." Obviously you don't expect cosmetics to retain their value forever, but you don't want to feel like it was a total waste of money either.

Anyway, I realize that my saying all this is going to make me the enemy again, but my point isn't to be "against" people who want the prices to go down. (I'm in favor of that too to some degree, unless there's some other explanation about other ways tokens will be earned, as happened with anniversary -- which is quite possible.) I'm just saying that, if they're going to give away cash shop items in-game, particularly ones they're still selling, there has to be some degree of balance. Last year was not balanced at all. (Maybe this year won't be balanced in the opposite direction. We'll see.)

CornishRex wrote: »
Also maybe if bhs made new swimsuits work with bresstchangers they'd make more money, just sayin :)))

This one I don't understand either, TBH.
TERA PC - General Discussion#59 Ellexem06/22/2018, 08:55 AM
If everyone were guaranteed to get a permanent swimsuit for each character they do dailies on every week for 5-6 weeks... that's an awful lot of swimsuits just for doing simple (though repetitive) dailies. It creates the "you'd be stupid to buy them!" effect again, as opposed to just "nice rare reward." I do agree with you, though, that a big part of the problem is the length of the event. If it were a two week event, as you say, then the earning rate you proposed makes more sense.

Perhaps they should have looked back to that one blue box hunt event, that had permanent swimsuits as one reward options, and included temporary versions as the padding material, rather than just hiking up prices.

People would of course still complain, and consider the temporary swimsuits and other costume items as worthless, but even a low rate of permanent costumes bolstered by the temporary items would have felt nicer. People might consider them a booby prize, but they'd still trigger that "I got something" response. Low investment for a chance, pleasant surprise if it turns out to be more, rather than high-investment for almost guaranteed disappointment.

At least that is how the current cost structure, along with its pure loot-box RNG nature with not even a smart box, comes across to me for the Sandy boxes.

TERA PC - General Discussion#60 voidy06/22/2018, 09:09 AM
ladyraines wrote: »
Omg omg some GETS it
If EME made TERA a game that is enjoyable people will spend money regardless. Because they like the game enough that they want to support it, monetary.
While I respect your pie-in-the-sky "if you build it, they will come" sort of optimism, it's pretty obvious that it's not that simple in practice.
It is, though. When I first started playing this game four years ago, I came from Maplestory, which was notoriously pay to win. For just a bit of context, the Maplestory front page was full of cash shop promotional ads, every event was basically a cash grab, and you had to pay real money for a "license" to sell things in their brokerage system. I left feeling disgusted with the game, and saw Tera as a breath of fresh air. Their front page, back then at least, had maybe one cash shop advertisement but the rest of the page was purely about content. Content I could do without dropping hundreds of dollars on the cash shop to enchant my gear. Everything felt within reach, and the support team was super helpful with an issue I had as well, so when I got paid later I felt really good about dropping money on this game's cash shop and even subscribing. Back then, I spent more money on the game than I do on most vidya, because it was genuinely enjoyable and I wanted to support the team that was making such a fun experience possible. I don't think I'm the only one who felt that way about the game and its publisher, but anyone who might chime in to agree with me has probably long since quit the game.

Might just be being optimistic, but I really do think if you just create an enjoyable experience that people form a vested interest in, they'll support you financially to show their support. Tera had a great system for this because it provided a fun experience and the cash shop actually had nice stuff in it. Nowadays, half the shop's missing and the game itself sucks. Legit confused about how this is supposed to make them money but hey I guess they know more than us pie in the sky guys haha.
TERA PC - General Discussion#61 Xyniana06/22/2018, 10:02 AM
10 days = 120 tokens.
Not even a single box with some ***** acessory or unusable swimsuit for wrong race
Thanks for another useless event. Thanks for saving my time.
EME knows how to take the fun out of a game
TERA PC - General Discussion#63 Ellexem06/22/2018, 10:30 AM
Xyniana wrote: »
10 days = 120 tokens.

This has been repeatedly pointed out, but the Festival of Blood daily set also grants those tokens, so you can earn 24 per day and character.

They also remain bankable, so they have to consider what happens when people throw multiple alts at the problem. (If you have them and are willing to spend the time on 7 alts, then you can earn a box per day.)

I understand that this event is underwhelming, and I'm not trying to defend it at all, but if you're going to hammer at flaws then please don't use distorted information. That's not going to be productive.

For anyone with just one character, even if they do all of the quests every day, they can earn at most 984 of the beach tokens over the course of the entire event. That means 6 of the Sandy boxes. (If they get added for the same cost to the Sun Festival tokens then you can add 2 more.) The chances of getting something you can actually use are likely abysmal with that.
TERA PC - General Discussion#64 metagame06/22/2018, 10:38 AM
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lul and I thought of doing this event. So naive of me to hope it will be fair enough...
*walked away whistling*
TERA PC - General Discussion#66 Selenya06/22/2018, 11:52 AM
WTF ??? Last year was 20 !!

@KitTeaCup ? @seandynamite ?? Its an error right ?
150 tokens for ONE RANDOM item.

eme out of their mind, Tera already empty and summer festival was one small reason to bring people back, not scare them away with this nonsense.
TERA PC - General Discussion#68 Satchin06/22/2018, 12:27 PM
tried a box. Got a hat.

Not participating in this event anymore.
Satchin wrote: »
tried a box. Got a hat.

Not participating in this event anymore.

I legit feel bad lol

Also: damn EME is so generous for granting you a FREE item after an hour+ of grind!!! SO nice of them!!! Literally given out for FREE WOW!!
I'll just go for 1 water pistol because it looks like a fun backslot and the rest of the madellions i'll just save up incase there in the mood to change the price, that is if i feel like grinding them which i do not really at this moment :cry:
It's almost like EME has to buy these things to give out...........no they want us to buy them with real money
TERA PC - General Discussion#72 metagame06/22/2018, 01:42 PM
KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
It's almost like EME has to buy these things to give out...........no they want us to buy them with real money
none of the items in the sandy boxes are sold in the emp store, and the ones in the daily deal are much more different, offering smart boxes of swimsuits rather than the swimsuits themselves
It's almost like EME has to buy these things to give out...........no they want us to buy them with real money
CornishRex wrote: »
> @ElinUsagi said:
> You get free things from an event and you still complain? LoL
>
> If you don't want to farm them you can buy them with money.

It's not free. It costs a lot of time to get 150 tokens. Free would be if I received it from a code, or in parcel without any effort being put in from my end. Anything that costs time is not free period.

Events are supposed to be fun and rewarding, since theyre, you know, events. If I'm not encouraged to do an event and nobody wants to participate because other content is more worth their time, the event isn't a very good one.

Its FREE, you dont need to pay money from them.

Sorry if you don't like FREE things that need almost not effort to get only because you can't hoard hundred of them.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
> @ElinUsagi said:
> You get free things from an event and you still complain? LoL
>
> If you don't want to farm them you can buy them with money.

It's not free. It costs a lot of time to get 150 tokens. Free would be if I received it from a code, or in parcel without any effort being put in from my end. Anything that costs time is not free period.

Events are supposed to be fun and rewarding, since theyre, you know, events. If I'm not encouraged to do an event and nobody wants to participate because other content is more worth their time, the event isn't a very good one.

Its FREE, you dont need to pay money from them.

Sorry if you don't like FREE things that need almost not effort to get only because you can't hoard hundred of them.

It's not free because you pay with your time fam
And no, you have to put in a lot of effort and time for this stuff, which is why people are complaining. The time/reward ratio is not balanced and thus this event is a failure.
Last year was great, I had tons of costumes that I handed out to friends and new players. It made the whole event really wholesome imo. We even did lots of guild events that included these as rewards! I also sold some of the costumes but I didn't make insane amounts of cash since a lot of people had them.
All in all they really need to adjust the prices.
CornishRex wrote: »
It's not free because you pay with your time fam
And no, you have to put in a lot of effort and time for this stuff, which is why people are complaining. The time/reward ratio is not balanced and thus this event is a failure.
Last year was great, I had tons of costumes that I handed out to friends and new players. It made the whole event really wholesome imo. We even did lots of guild events that included these as rewards! I also sold some of the costumes but I didn't make insane amounts of cash since a lot of people had them.
All in all they really need to adjust the prices.

Guess what, there is nothing FREE in this world acordingly to what you said in this post, even if the give you a code you have to "use your time" to make use of that code before you get anything.

Anyway the meaning of FREE as an adverb still applies for this.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
> @ElinUsagi said:
> You get free things from an event and you still complain? LoL
>
> If you don't want to farm them you can buy them with money.

It's not free. It costs a lot of time to get 150 tokens. Free would be if I received it from a code, or in parcel without any effort being put in from my end. Anything that costs time is not free period.

Events are supposed to be fun and rewarding, since theyre, you know, events. If I'm not encouraged to do an event and nobody wants to participate because other content is more worth their time, the event isn't a very good one.

Its FREE, you dont need to pay money from them.

Sorry if you don't like FREE things that need almost not effort to get only because you can't hoard hundred of them.

"almost no effort" lol that was a good one...say that to the people who play with only one character and will have to spend days gathering tokens just to get one box, which have a very slim chance (way more than ppl who can have alts to farm one or two more) of getting something nice as a costume...bonus points if the costume can be fit for the character...if not, it's wasted and the person will need to sell it or use it in another character...how fun,right?

nobody's asking the prices to be lowered so we can "hoard hundreds", but fixed at an amount which could be acceptable for all the effort we put in stopping all the gem/gold/mat farming we need to do constantly and have some REAL fun for a change...gather some amount of lootboxes is perfectly normal in these events...it's part of the fun...

now,all this time spent gathering tokens so we can buy only one meager lootbox?No...it isn't worth the time at all...

and nobody wants to use their tokens to buy enchanting materials...people can safely gather them during vanguard quests and even get gold in the process...which will be used to a lot of trial and error to enchant their gear and getting better, so no fun here too...

these events are nice because we can have a chance to try and to get accessories and costumes from a good number of lootboxes we worked for it...or gathering tokens to buy the item directly, like the last event...

so i disagree with you...it isn't FREE...free meant we would receive stuff without any imput whatsoever, without doing nothing...and clearly that's not the case...unless enmasse starts giving us free costumes at the parcel post or during these very few giveaways, nothing will be "free" in this game aside from the playing itself...we have to work and earn most of our stuff, like everyone else who can't affort to buy the items at the game's store or these daily deals...

So far, i'm very disappointed with this event and i hope that enmasse fix all of this mess (and clearly i'm not alone in this)...you seem to be the only one here who is fine which how things are going, so if you're enjoying all this circus, good for you...someone have to enjoy it somehow,terrible at it is...
voidy wrote: »
Snippage.

I concur, and @counterpoint I hope you're reading this.

I used to have a lot of fun with TERA when I first played, and would happily drop some dosh on an Elite sub when I could (even if it wasn't in my best interests -coughs- ). And, to be honest, while the occasional new item drop does make my heart all aflutter, I'm hesitant to support the game monetarily for assorted reasons. Every new patch seems to break more than fix or add; some parts of how the game behaves simply don't make sense (I can't redeem my Elite gift box, which goes directly to my inventory, because I'm too close to a wall? seriously?); new dungeons introduce strange mechanics for the sake of difficulty (or just have a bunch of health for no reason like RR); constant lag and performance issues that seemed to have gotten worse thanks to XIGNCODE, to say nothing of EME themselves... I have a very long list of grievances.

Long and short, and this is just me here, I've basically run out of reasons to spend my own money on the game. Hell, just logging in to play the game is starting to feel like a slog. If I'm not having fun, I have no reason to spend money on - or time with - the game. Like several others already said, I was looking forward to this event... and then this happened.

By the by, I fully support this:
TJKat wrote: »
If we were guaranteed to get a swimsuit smartbox, okay, 1 box per character per week I could live with

In fact, make the outfits available separately and keep the prices as they are ([filtered] it, make the dyeables more expensive). If EME wants people to really (ahem) "play" the game, then I feel this would be the best compromise.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
It's not free because you pay with your time fam
And no, you have to put in a lot of effort and time for this stuff, which is why people are complaining. The time/reward ratio is not balanced and thus this event is a failure.
Last year was great, I had tons of costumes that I handed out to friends and new players. It made the whole event really wholesome imo. We even did lots of guild events that included these as rewards! I also sold some of the costumes but I didn't make insane amounts of cash since a lot of people had them.
All in all they really need to adjust the prices.

Guess what, there is nothing FREE in this world acordingly to what you said in this post, even if they give you a code you have to "use your time" to make use of that code before you get anything.

Anyway the meaning of FREE as an adverb still applies for this.

Just because an item is free doesn't mean it's exempt from criticism.

Addendum: If we take everything given to us at face value, how does anything improve?
@ElinUsagi
You missed the point there, I think. She's saying time is valuable? If it wasn't, why in the hell would you want to be paid for work? You're selling your skills for a period of time.

In essence, what's she saying here is that it takes too much time to farm for one box. It took me 3 hours to farm my character through yesterday and still won't get a box til I push them through again. It would be one thing if these were the same boxes from last year that dropped smartboxes but they're not. You're literally spending hours in game for a chance to get something that most likely won't be usable by you or just a hat or accessory.

Might not make a difference to "I have a comment about everything I see" people like you, but some of us aren't interested in dumping hard earned money into cosmetics in a video game, don't have tons of gold sitting in bank to buy brokerage stuff, and enjoy having fun ways to earn rewards.

If you're worried about EME making money, they could make these untradable, but that would require too much effort.
TERA PC - General Discussion#81 Lolitaa06/22/2018, 03:56 PM
I like that this event is total garbage compared to last year, just so I dont have any urge to spend 2 hr a day farming on a bunch of alts lmao
ElinUsagi wrote: »
CornishRex wrote: »
It's not free because you pay with your time fam
And no, you have to put in a lot of effort and time for this stuff, which is why people are complaining. The time/reward ratio is not balanced and thus this event is a failure.
Last year was great, I had tons of costumes that I handed out to friends and new players. It made the whole event really wholesome imo. We even did lots of guild events that included these as rewards! I also sold some of the costumes but I didn't make insane amounts of cash since a lot of people had them.
All in all they really need to adjust the prices.

Guess what, there is nothing FREE in this world acordingly to what you said in this post, even if they give you a code you have to "use your time" to make use of that code before you get anything.

Anyway the meaning of FREE as an adverb still applies for this.

A lot of people would argue that nothing in this world is free. Hell there are even sayings "time is money" etc. Using a code requires little time thus the cost is closer to "free" if you get me.
We are not being handed out these lootboxes for free, we have to grind for a lot of medallions for quite a long time. It's just not worth it.

@ErzsebetBathory pretty much explained it
does it make sense to do event for a week to get a box? i can farm iod for a week and no rng get what i want ? anyway hope rootstock isnt this bad for the grind
Claret Medallions

Lamb Bulgogi
Struthio Breast Salad
Half-Moon Croquette
Traditional Bleakfields BBQ
Freeholds Flame Salad
Bleak Wings
Sounds like roostock items to me which means rootstock is going to be another fail
TERA PC - General Discussion#85 Ellexem06/22/2018, 06:35 PM
The Temple Medallion shop now seems to have the Sandy boxes as well, for 62 of its tokens. (So pretty much right on the same 6.25 character-day rewards as the 150/24, just rounded down.)
TERA PC - General Discussion#86 Galiers06/22/2018, 08:46 PM
and EME dont say nothing... nice
Singlebear has said more than once in the discord that they're not intending to change the token amounts. He said it's plenty for 1 character to get 1 box a week (2 now that they're in the other shop as well).
It would be nice, however, if someone actually responded on the forums.

Also- Just an example of the RNG- I opened two boxes and got semi-lucky... a human dyeable string bikini and a human jersey cover up. The problem? I only have two castanics and two elins. I'm not money hungry though so I gave them to my other half who also plays. He mains a brawler, and like me, doesn't spend IRL money on cosmetics so he was excited (especially considering he got a lei and a striped bandana from his two boxes). That's the point I was making. 4-5 hours in total for worthless things that he'll never use.
TERA PC - General Discussion#88 voidy06/22/2018, 09:28 PM
Everyone I know who bothered trying this event out has opened a box and received a hat. That's so bad, lmao. If you're gonna make the boxes crazy expensive, at least tweak the odds of the reward so people have some incentive to log in and-- no, you know what, never mind lol. Maybe the game just deserves to fail at this point. I've never seen a community give such transparent feedback only for it to get ignored time and time again. I'd kill to have a community like this if I were a developer, literally every week people telling me ways to make money and get players coming back. Y'all listened to the player council with the crab event, and players came out for that because it gave items they wanted. Why stop there.
TERA PC - General Discussion#89 Rxkt06/22/2018, 09:55 PM
honestly eme has to stop with this "we're giving out too much! let's nerf everything and make it harder" bogus
especially when it came out of @seandynamite 's mouth during a stream a while back

the new gear system is grindy enough as is, and now all i see is half the forums crying about how the difficulty got ramped up.

goodbye twitch codes from weekly streams
goodbye golden talents
goodbye 75% of the tera EMP store
goodbye strongbox jackpot events
goodbye 23 power in AAHM
goodbye fun event with questionable loot boxes

goodbye faith in eme team
TERA PC - General Discussion#90 Elinu106/22/2018, 10:43 PM
Rxkt wrote: »
honestly eme has to stop with this "we're giving out too much! let's nerf everything and make it harder" bogus
especially when it came out of @seandynamite 's mouth during a stream a while back

the new gear system is grindy enough as is, and now all i see is half the forums crying about how the difficulty got ramped up.

goodbye twitch codes from weekly streams
goodbye golden talents
goodbye 75% of the tera EMP store
goodbye strongbox jackpot events
goodbye 23 power in AAHM
goodbye fun event with questionable loot boxes

goodbye faith in eme team

+1 internet
SageWindu wrote: »
I concur, and @counterpoint I hope you're reading this.

I completely understand your point (and what voidy said). But, at the same time, you've both taken my statement entirely out of context by snipping it like that. I entirely agree with the fact that events have to feel worthwhile so that people will enjoy doing them, and when there's a perception that everything's just about pushing to the cash shop it can actually drive people away from it. No arguments there. But my entire explanation was just focusing on one very specific issue: how using cash shop items in events adds an additional factor/complication in achieving the proper balance (particularly when the rewards are farmable over a long period of time). But that doesn't mean that, as a result, you have to make the rewards suck. Ideally, it just means you need to be more creative with the choice of rewards. This is what I've been saying about finding the right balance, which I agree isn't there right now.

As I already said before, it's obvious that an unhappy customer isn't going to spend anything. But at the same time, "happiness" bought by throwing free cash shop items at people (ripping off the people who actually did pay you) isn't a sustainable price to pay either (and that was what I was contrasting to: the way it worked last year). There has to be a smarter way to make this event worth doing.
TERA PC - General Discussion#92 RenniBee06/23/2018, 12:50 AM
Popping in to say I see what you ninja'd in there EME, and I approve, this way is much more fun anyways in my opinion. Hope it's for more than just today... >:3c
So, no changes?

It's quite disappointing how instead of using the forums, Enmasse has decided to use Discord and quite often not respond here at all. Instead we have to hear second-hand from people who see staff replies.

Now, this would be fine if it were the official way they communicated with players but as far as I've noticed they haven't come out and said that's how things are.

Two of the recent issues raised by the community here (BG tokens, Summer tokens), had responses only on Discord, leaving the forums guessing.

TL;DR: The forums exist, please use them too. Or direct people to check Discord for news instead of here.
So, no changes?
I did see that the box is now on both merchants, at the very least.

And yeah, they need to have a single source where all the latest info can be found, and a way for everyone to easily get to it. (I'd like for it to be the forum, but I like forums...) Right now, I would honestly say Discord and Twitter tend to be where the latest info is, because that's what the current key staff use most.

I don't know what to say. They don't plan to change event? the DO IT YOURSELF. Don't pretend how you care of players, don't tell us stories how you "just put info there faster". Eme we are not kids and not imbeciles! We can understand that you don't get the needs of players and living in your tank. You do not realize that summer is time for fun and real stuff and instead of your half dead game with boring events, mats as rewards and grind fest. Instead of acting like scrooges you would better make event fun, with rewards that are obtainable without grinding all day by all alts and let people have some fun in game too. Because people don't live for your trash game with non rewarding stuff. Each of us can find another amazing game to play (btw after such start of event I did already. It was my last drop).
We are also humans eme and you pretend to be guys who don't realize that were enough smart to see your trickery and indifference to us. All your care of us is a MAJOR LIE. You do not understand that many people do not have trash soft aka discord and will never set it just for your humble and very important company. It's enough that we all have xigncode installed.
I wish you all in EME would see one thing : You bring us only regrets every time events starts.
TERA PC - General Discussion#96 kubitoid06/23/2018, 08:21 AM
Rxkt wrote: »
goodbye...
goodbye...
goodbye...
goodbye...
goodbye...
goodbye...
goodbye faith in eme team
goodbye yellow brick road :s :s :s

edit - fckn emotions
2 days of farming with multiple characters and then you end up with this...

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im so done :rage:

TERA PC - General Discussion#98 Bankaidz06/23/2018, 04:05 PM
forget, they will not change anything, their focus is to turn off tera pc and focus on tera console...
Bluehole focused on ktera second awakening.

EME focused on console version and the new launch of gunner class on June 26th. My friends didn't believe me that the console version will take too much attention away from PC version.

EU Gameforge on the other hand is taking the time to speak directly to Bluehole to talk about the future of TERA and maybe talisman discussions. GASP I KNOW! EU showing lots of attention and effort to their community by bringing exclusive content because of how much control and knowledge they have behind their game. They even do well indepth streams before every major patch to bring the hype up.

What has EME done:

Bring Xigncode, streaming playing a board game, communication scattered all over the place instead of putting all the resources under one area, broken events, these *tee-hee* mysterious events to bring more confusion, no more race change costume swap, a new CM that taking more time to understand the community and more importantly the game, more broken patch notes, removal of roadmaps to enticing players, no server status page. I could just go on and on as there will be more additions added later as the game grows thinner each passing days.
CornishRex wrote: »
> @ElinUsagi said:
> You get free things from an event and you still complain? LoL
>
> If you don't want to farm them you can buy them with money.

It's not free. It costs a lot of time to get 150 tokens. Free would be if I received it from a code, or in parcel without any effort being put in from my end. Anything that costs time is not free period.

Events are supposed to be fun and rewarding, since theyre, you know, events. If I'm not encouraged to do an event and nobody wants to participate because other content is more worth their time, the event isn't a very good one.

Thank you for slamming that into ElinUsagi's whiteknighting face while being constructive and cool about it. I love you.
TERA PC - General Discussion#101 Crashira06/24/2018, 02:02 AM
Question: Does anyone know if it's possible to get last years new summer costumes from there? I've legit seen about 2 people wearing the white shirt female costume, if that's not even in these RNG chests then I'm just not even going to bother with the event.
TERA PC - General Discussion#102 Sametbh06/24/2018, 02:48 AM
Zoknahal wrote: »
Definitely not the best shop.

Extras: No one buys noctenium infusers from the VG shop. I suggest replacing those 2 with Superior Noctenium Elixir, and increase the price to 5 tokens per.

I spend 100% of my vanguards on noct refiners
When I saw the 150 token price, I breathed a sigh of relief. Now I don't have to waste my time doing the daily event quests on all of my characters anymore. Great way to demotivate players! GJ mEME <3
TERA PC - General Discussion#104 Galiers06/24/2018, 05:17 AM
i still doing my dailys... mb eme will low the prices
I gave up idea that I will get swimsuit this year.
have some gold, will buy from brokerage before they disappeared completely there due to lack of swimsuits. (thanks to eme)

1 boxes highly overpriced. There is nothing to comment. You must play the game to understand how tarded this price is. But eme doesn't. They don't spend their time even on their direct work in Tera. Silly to expect them to understand something about how unfair, stupid and lame rewarding the grind of cosmetics is.

2 contain a lot of random crap aka skuba or hats. I DO NOT need this TRASH eme. I can deal with this in my wardrobe or spend my time trying to sell it ONLY If YOU will PAY me for it with swimsuit. Take off your pink glasses and realize that none of players wants and prays to get this garbage.

3 swimsuit will be most likely completely another race gender. Thanks eme I should gring whole month to get 1-2 boxes of elin or female [filtered] while having only male chars!

Shove this event to your @ss eme.
Never thought event can come to such worthless state .

P.s. Eme buy brain or just stop the event. It shames you and its an insult to US.
TERA PC - General Discussion#106 S2ElinS206/24/2018, 12:25 PM
This is the first time in 5 years of tera that I'll not do the summer event.

We could had ,for example, summer box for 20 tokens, with 3% chance to get the big prize, like the loot boxes in the emp store. But instead of only hats or accessorys, something that will make people run for the event and have fun, like:

Summer box loot:

Golden talent - 5,10,15
Silver talent - 2,5,10
Entropic boxes - 2,3,4
Meta. tokens - 500,1000, 2000
Noctenium refiner - 1, 2, 3
Artisian refining kit - 500, 1000, 1500
Hats
Sunglasses
Swimsuits - Matchs your race and gender

I know there are players that can farm amost 1000 boxes with this amount of token for 1 box, but this takes a lot of time and this same player can make the same or more gold in the time that he spent doing the event doing others things. However, a event is something to have fun and get a little more than what we get from the usual contet.





Summer loot box should be for summer loot only
Hats
Sunglasses
Swimsuits - Matchs your race and gende

TERA PC - General Discussion#108 Bankaidz06/24/2018, 06:08 PM
I missed the weekend, which is the only day I can play a little, I can not get anything. Nothing x Nothing = NOTHING
TERA PC - General Discussion#109 Bankaidz06/24/2018, 06:09 PM
Server is already empty, playing in Fail Forest, everything too expensive, tiring game and nothing to do.

TERA PC - General Discussion#110 MaiAura06/24/2018, 07:44 PM
Tera officialy gone down hill since Spacecats left. All the people left in charge seem very stingy, greedy, ungenerous or whatever you like to call it, every event has been drasticly lowered spawn rates amount item req for prizez ect. and of course cant forget the forced spyware game guard trash they put, my friend just deleted the game and quit for good after seeing that. basicly EME staff are ruining this game cause they are not qualified for the job, they don't know Tera and they dont care about its players they care only about milking it as long as they can even if that means destroying the game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#111 xChase06/24/2018, 10:35 PM
Well at least we have to give some credit to EME new staff, they sure know how to [filtered] people off. lol

Well it's sad, every time I think that it can't get worse, surprise, it gets. I thought the server couldn't be more empty, it got. The price of everything is overwhelming, the broker is a ghost place with very expensives ghosts. 140 k for elite, used to be 60 k. 850 k for a white shirt, 1.4 m for a 2.0 mount. come on, other day a new player was freaking out in the global chat about prices and he is not the only one.

No wonder new players leaves, there is just a few costumes, weapons skins, and other cosmetics items in the broker and they are way expensive.

TERA PC - General Discussion#112 kubitoid06/25/2018, 02:54 PM
MaiAura wrote: »
Tera officialy gone down hill since Spacecats left
actually way before cosmic kitten even joined as CM :s :s :s <3
TERA PC - General Discussion#113 Galiers06/25/2018, 04:05 PM
i sent a ticket

have question about summer event

1- why vanguard quest "Collect Sarberries" is not avaliable for level 58 (reaper), but collect contructor sand yes?
2- Sandy Summer Festival Loot Box say "Costume from summer past"... that mean i can get summer wrap swimsuits or others 2017 swimsuit???
3- i think 150 and 62 medallions is soo expensive... eme will low the price??


To answer your questions,

1. I'm not to sure about this one. I would like to request for a screenshot regarding this.

2. I believe that all the other swimsuits that went on sale are available.

3. Though I highly doubt that the current ones will be changed but nevertheless, we'll take your feedback into consideration in the future.
TERA PC - General Discussion#114 Babbelsim06/25/2018, 04:58 PM
ok boys and girls got some feedback from Discord, maybe we can turn this thing around where both EME and player can be happy with this event.
let them know how many medallions your happy with per box, or if you got any other ideas please share them


im ok with 30/40 per box and the other temple one around 20/25


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TERA PC - General Discussion#115 ElinUsagi06/25/2018, 05:39 PM
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Babbelsim wrote: »
ok boys and girls got some feedback from Discord, maybe we can turn this thing around where both EME and player can be happy with this event.
let them know how many medallions your happy with per box, or if you got any other ideas please share them


im ok with 30/40 per box and the other temple one around 20/25


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I think current prices would be good if you actually get a swimsuit smart box or at least the swimsuit for your character race and gender.

Not sure how much better is for people complaining reducing by 75-80% the lootbox cost when they will likely get accesories and costumes not for their gender/race, one of the main complains in this thread so far I have read.

Anyway, I don't think EME can change that at this point so reducing the token cost for that lootbox will be the only way to please some people here.
TERA PC - General Discussion#116 Bankaidz06/25/2018, 05:48 PM
Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TY BABBEL!
TERA PC - General Discussion#117 Bankaidz06/25/2018, 05:48 PM
25/30
20/25 tokens
TERA PC - General Discussion#118 SekVilker06/25/2018, 06:30 PM
The main complaint here is the lootboxes' price...the fact that we can get mostly accessories is annoying too? Yes, it is...

But this is another issue...it's an accepting loss...it's like buying a bunch of lootboxes at the store,knowing you're burning cash trying to get something nice and have a lot of chances to get only consumables...it's a bummer, but we all knew of the risks when we bought the boxes, so we have to deal with it...it's part of the game...nobody here is taking the costumes for granted,hoping to get one at the 1st try...but we want our chances on the matter...not just one chance per day after a lot of grinding (or one chance after a lot of days grinding,for those ppl who plays with one character or have only a few...)

now,it's common knowledge that is very VERY difficult to get something nice trying your luck in just one lootbox...so people wanna raise their chances being able to buy more than one...because numbers may help (and it helps most of the time)...the 1st situation is pretty much one of a kind (and getting a costume at 1st try,only for it to be for another race/gender wouldn't help at all lol)...but being able to buy more than one lootbox is pleasing, even if we take a lot of time to get a simple costume...

because the quantity of lootboxes pushes us to work on it...makes the time and effort worthwhile...i may spend a whole day grinding,then buying lootboxes after all the effort done and still get nothing...but i had my chances and i'll be able to have more if i go to the event the next day and try my luck again...see where i'm getting at? the more the chances, more i'll try on the event...it's the same logic with most people...

so the lootbox price needs to be lowered ASAP...the lootbox is the core of the event...so you guys at enmasse should consider it (sorry,i couldn't resist -smacks myself with a sledgehammer-)

as babbelsim suggested, 30/40 beach tokens per lootbox and 20/25 temple tokens per lootbox sounds pretty reasonable to me...it'll surely convinces more people to go to the event...

make it happen enmasse,please...
TERA PC - General Discussion#119 SageWindu06/26/2018, 12:18 AM
The major draw is being able to collect the little medals and get a cute/cool summer swimsuit thing for your character right? Then here's what I propose:

- Keep the current contents the same, but reduce the price to last year's numbers (20 beach/10 temple medals). If nothing else, it allows "lighter" players (<5 characters) to not feel like they're grinding their lives away just to get something inconsequential.
- Make lootboxes for accessories with last year's prices, and have the outfits themselves be direct purchase but keep the prices as they are now (150/62 medals). Increase the price of customs (read: dyeable outfits) to balance. This way people an get the exact outfit they want in relatively short order and having a matching accessory thus becomes a neat bonus.
- Make all items available for direct purchase, with accessories being 20/10 medals, basic outfits being 150/62 medals, and customs (see above) being, say, 200/100 medals. All RNG is removed, and most (if not all) players can achieve the specific look they want for whatever characters they want with no hassle.

How about it? Yay? Nay?
TERA PC - General Discussion#120 MarlyLuna06/26/2018, 02:15 AM
SageWindu wrote: »
The major draw is being able to collect the little medals and get a cute/cool summer swimsuit thing for your character right? Then here's what I propose:

- Keep the current contents the same, but reduce the price to last year's numbers (20 beach/10 temple medals). If nothing else, it allows "lighter" players (<5 characters) to not feel like they're grinding their lives away just to get something inconsequential.
- Make lootboxes for accessories with last year's prices, and have the outfits themselves be direct purchase but keep the prices as they are now (150/62 medals). Increase the price of customs (read: dyeable outfits) to balance. This way people an get the exact outfit they want in relatively short order and having a matching accessory thus becomes a neat bonus.
- Make all items available for direct purchase, with accessories being 20/10 medals, basic outfits being 150/62 medals, and customs (see above) being, say, 200/100 medals. All RNG is removed, and most (if not all) players can achieve the specific look they want for whatever characters they want with no hassle.

How about it? Yay? Nay?

I rather like this idea, but perhaps think that may be a little bit too generous. If this was done at least the costumes would have to be bind to account to prevent the broker being flooded and thus causing next years event to be even more stingy. The dyeables should remain as RNG to be fair as they are selling for big money, both as EMP purchases and on the broker. However if RNG at a low chance keep them tradeable so as people can sell the ones they don't like/give them to friends who have the race/gender to match the swimsuit.
It's really a fine balancing act, sadly this time EME seem to have put an elephant on a seesaw with an Elin to try and balance things.. aka swung the nerf bat rather too hard. Middle ground is what should be sought so as people still buy from the store, but also actually doing the event remains fun rather than being a case of "OMG I have to grind 8 characters through this every day to perhaps get one useable swimsuit for my main character, but most likely end up with a load of Baraka/Amani stuff"
30 medalions will be ok
TERA PC - General Discussion#122 McOnosRep06/26/2018, 12:18 PM
@SingleBear @CobaltDragon

This is great news - thank you!
Fezoh wrote: »
imagine living on tera forums and having an opposite, unpopular opinion at every thread you go to (ElinUsagi)

Imagine coming up with ludicrous ideas that things that take your time are somehow "free" as well, you know you're talking to a mommies basement dweller when they think stuff that takes you hours or days to do is "free". They think that because to them it is "free" to people with lives it most certainly is not.
I should have read the posts here before I got a loot box using the Claret tokens.
I'm a popo what am I going to do with an untradeable female elf bathing suit? Not even a smart box, like wow that is so hard to do.
Once again mEMe you've shown us all how little you actually care about this game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#125 Elinu106/26/2018, 10:45 PM
All I have gotten from the event is 2x amani swimsuits wtf.
> @ReggieWarrhol said:
> I should have read the posts here before I got a loot box using the Claret tokens.
> I'm a popo what am I going to do with an untradeable female elf bathing suit? Not even a smart box, like wow that is so hard to do.
> Once again mEMe you've shown us all how little you actually care about this game.

Untradeable?!
So it cannot be even utilized?

@KitTeaCup
Please can you fix event?? 150 tokens for non usable swimsuit or pair of glasses is not even funny. It's an insult!
We have this event once a year and this one time we can't have fun because
1 boxes are too expensive!(30/25) is normal price and it always way that kind of price!)
2 its a complete random loot. You may work to gather tokens and get only glasses or hat. We have PILES of them on brokerage. You're just flooding brokerage more and more.
3 the swimsuits (if you got lucky in previous point) are not matching race gender. What I'm going to do with female swimsuits? I don't need them. Yes I could sell probably. And here we go to next point.
4 as told they are not tradeable. So I work hard to get stuff that I will never use and can't sell??
It's a mockery.
swim suits are tradeable, just go check brokerage I sold 2 that wern't good to me
TERA PC - General Discussion#128 ElinUsagi06/27/2018, 12:44 PM
KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
swim suits are tradeable, just go check brokerage I sold 2 that wern't good to me

Yes, also the lootbox is tradeable and all the stuff it can give you.
Babbelsim wrote: »

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HAHAHAHAHAHA Omfg... @CobaltDragon

Cobalt: "I'm much more active on discord than on the forums."

Also Cobalt, when we go to discord: "Please use the forums to provide feedback"

I'm so disappointed in you Cobalt. We ask you why we get no response on the forums, and you tell us EME uses multilpe methods, THEN when we do use those alternative methods you say the official method to submit feedback is on the forums.

WHICH IS IT
We ask you why we get no response on the forums, and you tell us EME uses multilpe methods, THEN when we do use those alternative methods you say the official method to submit feedback is on the forums.
WHICH IS IT

In all fairness, each one is used for separate things, so ultimately the answer is both.
I am way more active in our EME Discord, and if you Ping me through that and I am in the office at the time, I'm usually really good about replying to all of those questions.

If it's not a general question, and more a request to the Community Team, the Production Team, or something that requires some development on Bluehole's part, the preference has always been on the Forums.

This way, the suggestion / request is seen by multiple players, each are able to provide feedback on the idea, and we can easily Link to the discussion that took place ( for additional visibility ) , allowing all of the above Teams to read both the suggestion and the feedback it received.
TERA PC - General Discussion#131 Lionair06/27/2018, 07:26 PM
Also wheres Riding skill: Ardent? I actually liked that dragon.
Yep you're right. I can TB the useless thing.
For 150 tokens you'd think it would at the very least be a smart box.
> @CobaltDragon said:
> CassandraTR wrote: »
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> We ask you why we get no response on the forums, and you tell us EME uses multilpe methods, THEN when we do use those alternative methods you say the official method to submit feedback is on the forums.
> WHICH IS IT
>
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>
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> In all fairness, each one is used for separate things, so ultimately the answer is both.
> I am way more active in our EME Discord, and if you Ping me through that and I am in the office at the time, I'm usually really good about replying to all of those questions.
>
> If it's not a general question, and more a request to the Community Team, the Production Team, or something that requires some development on Bluehole's part, the preference has always been on the Forums.
>
> This way, the suggestion / request is seen by multiple players, each are able to provide feedback on the idea, and we can easily Link to the discussion that took place ( for additional visibility ) , allowing all of the above Teams to read both the suggestion and the feedback it received.

This is frustrating. Why don't you just answer CassandraTR's question directly instead of sidestepping.
Its confusing for players to on discord because there's little to no response on the forums and they go to discord and EME employees tell them to post on forums....Seriously wtf how does that make sense to you?

This is absolutely stupid. why not use EME's official forums more than discord. That is so strange a company would not use their own company media outlet. It seems much of EME's staff is using Discord leading to players believing they're being ignored on the forums.

Either forums or discord doesn't seen EME is doing a good job listening to their players as it seems many players are upset they are being ignored on many issues.....Festival tokens/xigncode3. All I see is EME just giving lame excuses.
So what actually about prices of boxes and event?

Your answer of @CobaltDragon doesn't help us with event sadly.
After one of you there will say that your responding in threads. Sure. But not about related stuff. And this is pretty usual practice from eme side same as redirecting people from discord to forums and back.
TERA PC - General Discussion#135 Pilip2506/28/2018, 01:17 PM
They reduced the cost of the boxes to 72 Tokens, which is completely fine IMO. Last year the event was broken. 72 seems reasonable price for me. You can get tokens from crab boss that spawns sometimes at the beach and from dungeons aswell. Just a bit unfair to those who bought the boxes alrdy for the 150 tokens.
TERA PC - General Discussion#136 Bankaidz06/28/2018, 02:02 PM
Pilip25 wrote: »
They reduced the cost of the boxes to 62 Tokens, which is completely fine IMO. Last year the event was broken. 62 seems reasonable price for me. You can get tokens from crab boss that spawns sometimes at the beach and from dungeons aswell. Just a bit unfair to those who bought the boxes alrdy for the 150 tokens.

I just saw that they just addded the box to the other token shop for 62 tokens instead of replacing the 150 one. Looks still reasonable for me.

Reasonable? You should be one who gets 12 to 16 hours a day in the game with 40, 50 chars. No wonder you find it "reasonable." It will have expensive social life.
TERA PC - General Discussion#137 Zoknahal06/28/2018, 02:16 PM
Pilip25 wrote: »
They reduced the cost of the boxes to 62 Tokens, which is completely fine IMO. Last year the event was broken. 62 seems reasonable price for me. You can get tokens from crab boss that spawns sometimes at the beach and from dungeons aswell. Just a bit unfair to those who bought the boxes alrdy for the 150 tokens.

I just saw that they just addded the box to the other token shop for 62 tokens instead of replacing the 150 one. Looks still reasonable for me.

Thats the Temple medallion box. Its been here for a week already, and for the amount of temple medallions you get per day per character, is still high (10 per character per day)

Like everyone already voiced, 150 is just way too high, I personally be ok with 30 for the claret ones, and 20 or 25 for the temple ones.
TERA PC - General Discussion#138 ElinUsagi06/28/2018, 03:22 PM
You have more ways to get claret and temple medallions than last year.

Wouldnt be bettert to encourage EME to spread these into more content before this summer event ends?
Those are actually pretty good idea
TERA PC - General Discussion#140 SekVilker06/28/2018, 04:05 PM
so far,i've only saw them add tokens for doing lilith's keep (normal,i didn't see the hard one)...2 of the beach tokens and 1 temple token,if i'm not mistaken...so isn't very rewarding for the boxes's expensive prices atm

i play at AV. Last year's event,on ch1,there was always crowded with people...going now,i see 2 or 3 prople tops

giving tokens as a reward for vanguard quests seems nice, but they still need to adjust the prices
TERA PC - General Discussion#141 TJKat06/28/2018, 04:10 PM
You guys are missing the point. EME is going to be putting swimsuits in the daily "deals" for $50 each right away. They don't WANT anyone to be able to get them for free, and they are certainly not going to be making it easier to do so. As long as the whales keep spending money who cares if anyone's actually playing the game, right?
ElinUsagi wrote: »
You have more ways to get claret and temple medallions than last year.

Wouldnt be better to encourage EME to spread these into more content before this summer event ends?

Not sure, like saying:

- 2 claret and 1 temple medallion for tier 1 bams, PoP, Celestial Arena, ACE Dungeons and BG lose
- 4 claret and 2 temple medallion for tier 2 bams and for BG won (Kumas, Iron BG, Skyring)
- 6 claret and 3 temple medallion for tier 3 bams and 2 star dungeons
- 8 claret and 4 temple medallion for 3 star dungeons
- 12 claret and 5 temple medallion for 4 star dungeon and BG won (FWC, CS Gridiron)
- 24 claret and 10 temple medallion for a 5 star dungeon, Harrowhold and CU top 20 ranked guilds (for each player who take part in it)

Something that can make people to continue playing and helping LFG and IM queves to get lively.

So then we have no summer event just give the tokens for every thing. Close the beach and close the temple we won't need it
TERA PC - General Discussion#143 ElinUsagi06/28/2018, 04:23 PM
KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
You have more ways to get claret and temple medallions than last year.

Wouldnt be better to encourage EME to spread these into more content before this summer event ends?

Not sure, like saying:

- 2 claret and 1 temple medallion for tier 1 bams, PoP, Celestial Arena, ACE Dungeons and BG lose
- 4 claret and 2 temple medallion for tier 2 bams and for BG won (Kumas, Iron BG, Skyring)
- 6 claret and 3 temple medallion for tier 3 bams and 2 star dungeons
- 8 claret and 4 temple medallion for 3 star dungeons
- 12 claret and 5 temple medallion for 4 star dungeon and BG won (FWC, CS Gridiron)
- 24 claret and 10 temple medallion for a 5 star dungeon, Harrowhold and CU top 20 ranked guilds (for each player who take part in it)

Something that can make people to continue playing and helping LFG and IM queves to get lively.

So then we have no summer event just give the tokens for every thing. Close the beach and close the temple we won't need it

Those are the fastest way to get medallions, still, Is not an event purpose to get more people active more time "in the game"?
> @ElinUsagi said:
> KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
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> ElinUsagi wrote: »
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> You have more ways to get claret and temple medallions than last year.
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> Wouldnt be better to encourage EME to spread these into more content before this summer event ends?
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> Not sure, like saying:
>
> - 2 claret and 1 temple medallion for tier 1 bams, PoP, Celestial Arena, ACE Dungeons and BG lose
> - 4 claret and 2 temple medallion for tier 2 bams and for BG won (Kumas, Iron BG, Skyring)
> - 6 claret and 3 temple medallion for tier 3 bams and 2 star dungeons
> - 8 claret and 4 temple medallion for 3 star dungeons
> - 12 claret and 5 temple medallion for 4 star dungeon and BG won (FWC, CS Gridiron)
> - 24 claret and 10 temple medallion for a 5 star dungeon, Harrowhold and CU top 20 ranked guilds (for each player who take part in it)
>
> Something that can make people to continue playing and helping LFG and IM queves to get lively.
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> So then we have no summer event just give the tokens for every thing. Close the beach and close the temple we won't need it
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> Those are the fastest way to get medallions, still, Is not an event purpose to get more people active more time "in the game"?

Yeah SUPPOSE to get people in game
TERA PC - General Discussion#145 xChase06/28/2018, 04:29 PM
They won't change the amount of token for the summer boxes, cos they need to sell the swinsuits, they will probably will add some other items, like the anniversary shop. From the point of view of a company, u don't want to give your product for free, otherwise nobody will buy it. I don't like this event too, and its the first time in 5 years that I'm not doing it.

So instead of wasting 2:30 hours farming tokens over 7 chars or more for a hat or other cheap acessory, use that time with other content with a better Gold x time ratio and buy the costume you want, like that white shirt for 1 million. lol

TERA PC - General Discussion#146 SekVilker06/28/2018, 05:00 PM
TJKat wrote: »
You guys are missing the point. EME is going to be putting swimsuits in the daily "deals" for $50 each right away. They don't WANT anyone to be able to get them for free, and they are certainly not going to be making it easier to do so. As long as the whales keep spending money who cares if anyone's actually playing the game, right?

Well,that's another shot at their own foots...1st is that i'm almost sure that nobody will buy them at the daily deals...last years's event gave plenty of these boxes which ppl can buy at the broker at a price better than $50...between farming for some days to buy an item at the broker with in-game currency and spending real cash which ppl might need for rl issues, farming is a way better option...sides, enmasse have better stuff to add at their daily deals than the old swimsuits...after all,they've butchered almost all of their own store for this daily deal antic

another issue is that they fail to understand that people are only going to this event to try to get costumes from lootboxes...so if they're announcing an event where you can try to win these costumes, while at the same time offering them at sale at daily deals,they're mostly alienienating their playerbase than anything... buying from deals means you don't need the event to get the costume you want,making it useless...and getting the costume at the event means you don't need this particular deal,so there's no logical move here,making it useless too...

what i think they'll add as a daily deal are the swimsuits from 2017 and not the ones that came before these,which are what we're trying to win at the lootboxes...

and if the event's purpose is to get more people to be active, there must be incentives...so far, there isn't enough of incentives from this one...enmasse surely can do better than this...getting tokens doing vanguards seems interesting, but that isn't what the summer festival is about...we go on vanguard quests everyday...the event was meant to be a breather from this whole farming festival,with rewards, like every event so far...but this one adds too much effort for few rewards...so this needs to change ASAP
TERA PC - General Discussion#147 zenpiax06/28/2018, 05:38 PM
Every time I read one of @CobaltDragon meaningless and low effort replies/ comments in the forums it makes me want to actually end my life right on the spot... Like do you guys at EME even care?!?!
Hey Rootstock is coming lets give all the lamp and veggies in the dungeons so we won't need to go out and pick the things to make our cosumables yeah lets ask EME to end the game and just give us dungeons that I for one don't use.

Please EME stop the summer fun because we have players to lazy to want to have fun
zenpiax wrote: »
Every time I read one of @CobaltDragon meaningless and low effort replies/ comments in the forums it makes me want to actually end my life right on the spot... Like do you guys at EME even care?!?!

Yes he's gotten as useful as teats on a bull.
EME emplyees say "not my job" "go see the one over there"
SekVilker wrote: »
Well,that's another shot at their own foots...1st is that i'm almost sure that nobody will buy them at the daily deals...last years's event gave plenty of these boxes which ppl can buy at the broker at a price better than $50...between farming for some days to buy an item at the broker with in-game currency and spending real cash which ppl might need for rl issues, farming is a way better option...
This basically the thing that current pricing levels are trying to correct. They shot themselves in the foot by devaluing them so much last year that people who bought them in the shop were being ripped off. To swing the pendulum back the other way, they've limited the in-game flow a lot this year -- for exactly the reason you said. I assume they want the price to come back into balance by regulating the supply.
SekVilker wrote: »
what i think they'll add as a daily deal are the swimsuits from 2017 and not the ones that came before these,which are what we're trying to win at the lootboxes...
They already announced that all the old swimsuit series will be added as daily deals on a schedule:
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/27543/summer-swimwear-sales-schedule


If they do increase the rewards for this event, I assume it will be by adding other/different things to the merchants, or by creating new ways to earn the tokens.
TERA PC - General Discussion#151 Galiers06/28/2018, 07:23 PM
still 150 / 62

thanks eme
TERA PC - General Discussion#152 Pilip2506/28/2018, 07:50 PM
keep the prices for the boxes.
you guys should just stop crying because they dont overflow you with broken events like in the past.
and to people that say that they dont have time to farm or so bcs they busy with real life, you can buy boxes with real money if u spent more time at ur work. Spoiled people here in tera.
TERA PC - General Discussion#153 Vashana06/28/2018, 08:22 PM
Re: thread title, I wouldn't call this a "nerf" but rather an "adjustment." Last year's prices for the boxes were WAYY too generous, low, and easy. This year's prices are a little too high but understandable. Also the event is going on longer than last year's so there's that. If EME could knock the Clarets price for the box down to 70-80 tokens that would be great... And y'all really dun goofed by not making the swimsuits match the character's race-gender!

I agree with maybe create more opportunities to earn these tokens aside from doing the event quests? Currently they seem to be given out for completing LK and BP, how about adding them to completing BGs and few more mid and higher-tier dungeons?

Thanks for fixing to add the box to the Temple shop quickly by the way and I really love the new Water Gun back perm. Wish there was a different exclusive perm item you could buy from Temples though in addition to the RNG box though.
TERA PC - General Discussion#154 SageWindu06/28/2018, 08:23 PM
Pilip25 wrote: »
keep the prices for the boxes.
you guys should just stop crying because they dont overflow you with broken events like in the past.

There's that term again: "broken event". What the hell is that? Like, seriously, what does that mean?!

Also:
Pilip25 wrote: »
and to people that say that they dont have time to farm or so bcs they busy with real life, you can buy boxes with real money if u spent more time at ur work.

Okay... what? I'd love to know what world you live in where one can instantly increase their income by increase their time at work (or whatever that's supposed to say... what are you saying here?).
Pilip25 wrote: »
Spoiled people here in tera.

This is hilariously short-sighted.

2 things: one, people want to play the game and enjoy it. Thing is, there's little reason to at the current moment, some of the reasons for which you can find right in this very thread. Two, very few people benefit from this event as it stands. If you want to run around and just play the various mini-games and quests (which count towards the questing achievement, oddly enough), feel free, but the number of people who share that sentiment is going to be quite limited.

As someone said earlier, if smartboxes were guaranteed, it wouldn't be so bad. Instead, we have an event that - at best - has you slogging away to collect tokens for an overpriced lootbox that contains a single, randomly chosen item that few people may care about. Even if you have the time and roster to be able to get several event boxes in a single day, may the Fates view favorably upon you in that case, otherwise that's a sizable chunk of time wasted with little to show for it (ever do a long/difficult dungeon only to lose a valuable drop to a doorstop? similar feeling).

We're not "spoiled"; we're mad as hell as this is the latest in a growing list of grievances against EME.
Pilip25 wrote: »
keep the prices for the boxes.
you guys should just stop crying because they dont overflow you with broken events like in the past.
and to people that say that they dont have time to farm or so bcs they busy with real life, you can buy boxes with real money if u spent more time at ur work. Spoiled people here in tera.

2 dollars have been deposited into your account
CornishRex wrote: »
Pilip25 wrote: »
keep the prices for the boxes.
you guys should just stop crying because they dont overflow you with broken events like in the past.
and to people that say that they dont have time to farm or so bcs they busy with real life, you can buy boxes with real money if u spent more time at ur work. Spoiled people here in tera.

2 dollars have been deposited into your account

You lucky s**t
Pilip25 wrote: »
keep the prices for the boxes.
you guys should just stop crying because they dont overflow you with broken events like in the past.
and to people that say that they dont have time to farm or so bcs they busy with real life, you can buy boxes with real money if u spent more time at ur work. Spoiled people here in tera.

WOW this coming from someone dwelling in Mama's basement is rich. Do you even know how the real world works? People have these magical things called Bills, and Rent , and insurance they have to pay. In fact, I am lucky if I have an extra 10.00 a month and here I have some little basement dweller telling me to spend more time at work LOL wow that's really rich.
TERA PC - General Discussion#158 Zoknahal06/28/2018, 09:32 PM
Pilip25 wrote: »
keep the prices for the boxes.
you guys should just stop crying because they dont overflow you with broken events like in the past.
and to people that say that they dont have time to farm or so bcs they busy with real life, you can buy boxes with real money if u spent more time at ur work. Spoiled people here in tera.

Well, that's taking it quite far.

First of all, we arent trying to break the event, we are trying to find a balance in between whats fun and enjoyable, and what it isnt. Farming on 7 characters a day only for 1 or 2 boxes if you do the Temple medallion farming, is not fun, is more like a chore, and this is an event that is supposed to be fun, not feel like homework. We want to be rewarded accordingly while having fun, not being rewarded for doing something that isnt fun to do.

And new players cannot enjoy the event to its fullest, because after farming for, ohh i dont know? 5 days straight? they get a box, that will not yield a costume for their race and gender, and will most likely generate an accessory. That is very discouraging, and inmediately even new players would realize that the event is not worth their time, and hence, participation of the events is null, and that is something EME definitely doesn't want, because it would make evident they are incapable of holding a fun event.

Secondly, you are really insulting everyone here. If you have the money to spend on the cash shop, then go ahead and do it. We do not want to, because there are other things money can be used on. Stuff you really should be familiar with, but i will list it since it seems you aren't:

- Rent
- Food
- Car payments
- Services like internet
- Insurance

Most of us have jobs, and cannot afford to throw that much money, or any at all at CHANCES at getting something we want, because it seems EME still haven't learned that loot boxes are plain evil and just keep shoving them up our throats.

But you dont have to worry about any of those trivial things right? you have mommy and daddy to pay for your stuff right?
TERA PC - General Discussion#159 SekVilker06/28/2018, 09:41 PM
guys,this pillip25 is most likely a tuwangi trying to be a troll...don't feed him
TERA PC - General Discussion#160 CandyTX06/29/2018, 06:07 AM
Last year's event was FUN. I traded with guild mates, people I ran into. The event was fast and easy to run, you got a summer item per day - whether it was a suit or backslot or whatever. I happily signed up for Elite.

I'm with the person above that has started to wonder if I should continue to support Tera with my monthly Elite. That $180 per year could go to another game. But I choose to spend it here. For now.

But this... this isn't fun. The Summer event has always been a fun event. This is killing it this year for me. Yeah, so what if people make 5k gold from selling a suit? Heck, I gave/traded most of mine away.

I agree with the 25/30 and 20/25 tokens. I mean, you've already made the boxes so that they don't correspond to the character opening it. That should be more than sufficient to bring down the level of "fun" - this is just killing it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#161 Christin06/29/2018, 06:42 AM
CandyTX wrote: »
Last year's event was FUN. I traded with guild mates, people I ran into. The event was fast and easy to run, you got a summer item per day - whether it was a suit or backslot or whatever. I happily signed up for Elite.

I'm with the person above that has started to wonder if I should continue to support Tera with my monthly Elite. That $180 per year could go to another game. But I choose to spend it here. For now.

But this... this isn't fun. The Summer event has always been a fun event. This is killing it this year for me. Yeah, so what if people make 5k gold from selling a suit? Heck, I gave/traded most of mine away.

I agree with the 25/30 and 20/25 tokens. I mean, you've already made the boxes so that they don't correspond to the character opening it. That should be more than sufficient to bring down the level of "fun" - this is just killing it.

Lets just be happy we played pre-dynamite, because post-dynamite seems to suck real bad. I have to admit that post-dynamite is great for those of us not wanting an excuse to return. However, I do love to read the comments from some about how we got too much and now, we don't deserve anything. Funny thing is you know those same people were spamming last year's event like crazy and probably still have a supply of suits in stock. They're most likely tickled at how tough it is to get a suit now, because it means their suits will still go up in value.
TERA PC - General Discussion#162 Christin06/29/2018, 06:59 AM
Zoknahal wrote: »
Pilip25 wrote: »
keep the prices for the boxes.
you guys should just stop crying because they dont overflow you with broken events like in the past.
and to people that say that they dont have time to farm or so bcs they busy with real life, you can buy boxes with real money if u spent more time at ur work. Spoiled people here in tera.

Well, that's taking it quite far.

First of all, we arent trying to break the event, we are trying to find a balance in between whats fun and enjoyable, and what it isnt. Farming on 7 characters a day only for 1 or 2 boxes if you do the Temple medallion farming, is not fun, is more like a chore, and this is an event that is supposed to be fun, not feel like homework. We want to be rewarded accordingly while having fun, not being rewarded for doing something that isnt fun to do.

And new players cannot enjoy the event to its fullest, because after farming for, ohh i dont know? 5 days straight? they get a box, that will not yield a costume for their race and gender, and will most likely generate an accessory. That is very discouraging, and inmediately even new players would realize that the event is not worth their time, and hence, participation of the events is null, and that is something EME definitely doesn't want, because it would make evident they are incapable of holding a fun event.

Secondly, you are really insulting everyone here. If you have the money to spend on the cash shop, then go ahead and do it. We do not want to, because there are other things money can be used on. Stuff you really should be familiar with, but i will list it since it seems you aren't:

- Rent
- Food
- Car payments
- Services like internet
- Insurance

Most of us have jobs, and cannot afford to throw that much money, or any at all at CHANCES at getting something we want, because it seems EME still haven't learned that loot boxes are plain evil and just keep shoving them up our throats.

But you dont have to worry about any of those trivial things right? you have mommy and daddy to pay for your stuff right?

First, the correct phrase is, "down our throats."

Second. Oh no! Surely the worst thing for EME is to be accused of being "incapable of holding a fun event." That's just simply awful!

Third, are you seriously making excuses why free players should get free stuff, because they simply can't or won't spend any money on the game? That argument only fuels their reasoning for not giving out free stuff. Lets face it, it's only a matter to time before free stuff is only given out to Elite members once they fix the vouchers and make them unable to be sold on the broker.

Forth, are you really saying everyone that spends money on Tera has our mommy and daddy pay for us? I am just shocked at your logic. You try to pass yourself off as the truth teller and common sense maker, but most of it is pure drivel. No doubt you will reply with a "aren't you gone yet," but at least try to be mature and make some sense.

I highly doubt most of the adults on here that pay for items in the shop are doing so with their parent's money. Most of us have gainful employment and aren't spending every dime of it on bills. Some of us actually have a two-income household. Can you believe it?
If they decrease the price of the boxes now then it will be unfair to anyone who has already redeemed some boxes at the current rate. Personally I suggest creating more ways to earn tokens instead of lowering the price of the boxes.
TERA PC - General Discussion#164 RKC06/29/2018, 11:27 AM
My god ever since Spacecats left, events are really bad now.
I liked Tera more when it was P2P.
TERA PC - General Discussion#166 Zoknahal06/29/2018, 02:26 PM
@Christin xerZm4q.jpg

I like you already. Nit picky ppl like you should be given a cookie.
> @Christin said:
> CandyTX wrote: »
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> Last year's event was FUN. I traded with guild mates, people I ran into. The event was fast and easy to run, you got a summer item per day - whether it was a suit or backslot or whatever. I happily signed up for Elite.
>
> I'm with the person above that has started to wonder if I should continue to support Tera with my monthly Elite. That $180 per year could go to another game. But I choose to spend it here. For now.
>
> But this... this isn't fun. The Summer event has always been a fun event. This is killing it this year for me. Yeah, so what if people make 5k gold from selling a suit? Heck, I gave/traded most of mine away.
>
> I agree with the 25/30 and 20/25 tokens. I mean, you've already made the boxes so that they don't correspond to the character opening it. That should be more than sufficient to bring down the level of "fun" - this is just killing it.
>
>
>
>
> Lets just be happy we played pre-dynamite, because post-dynamite seems to suck real bad. I have to admit that post-dynamite is great for those of us not wanting an excuse to return. However, I do love to read the comments from some about how we got too much and now, we don't deserve anything. Funny thing is you know those same people were spamming last year's event like crazy and probably still have a supply of suits in stock. They're most likely tickled at how tough it is to get a suit now, because it means their suits will still go up in value.

Yeah I agree under s seandynamite the game you is terrible. Don’t know why he’s still in charge. Wasn’t there someone before him that was okay?
Tonka knew what players wanted because he wasn't afraid to play himself. After he left Tera slowly started to go down . When Spaceshot came in he was more a "ban all who did what I don't want"
None of these decisions, in the past or the present, are about any one given person, so singling people out as if either a) they personally were solely responsible for good things, or b) they personally were solely responsible for bad things is pointless and way too simplistic. Just because someone is the "public face" doesn't mean the decisions were their idea. And even if something is someone's idea, it has to go through an approval process, including approval by the boss, like happens in pretty much all companies. (Maybe someone would like to do something differently, but their boss told them they can't.)

So in the end, the personal attacks are pointless and misdirected. Better to just stay focused on the issue at hand.
TERA PC - General Discussion#170 Galiers06/30/2018, 08:30 PM
day 10 ... still same price 150 / 62
> @Galiers said:
> day 10 ... still same price 150 / 62

Day 10 EmE doesn’t care
Yeah, give up. They only said "we'll consider it" to make people shut up lol
TERA PC - General Discussion#173 Galiers06/30/2018, 11:22 PM
oh they extend the duration ultil 07-31
TERA PC - General Discussion#174 Christin07/01/2018, 02:26 AM
None of these decisions, in the past or the present, are about any one given person, so singling people out as if either a) they personally were solely responsible for good things, or b) they personally were solely responsible for bad things is pointless and way too simplistic. Just because someone is the "public face" doesn't mean the decisions were their idea. And even if something is someone's idea, it has to go through an approval process, including approval by the boss, like happens in pretty much all companies. (Maybe someone would like to do something differently, but their boss told them they can't.)

So in the end, the personal attacks are pointless and misdirected. Better to just stay focused on the issue at hand.

Yeah, just ignore the streams where he says straight up we're spoiled and don't deserve codes and yadda, yadda. Yeah, just ignore that the summer event last year was the last generous event except for Spacey's event before he left. Yeah, just ignore the timing, streams and all of that evidence, because counter knows best. BTW, pointing that out is not a personal attack nor is it racist. Just adding that, because I'm sure you'll go there next.

Funny you say it's not about any one person when SpaceCats was the only reason we got weekly codes. If you don't think so, have we even gotten one decent code since he's left? He stated many times "i added this" and "I added that". It was obvious in the streams that he was creating the codes and what went along with them. He may have needed approval, but it was pretty direct that he and only he was responsible for the weekly codes. EME's office isn't that large, and after Spacey left, someone made it quite clear that they were in charge of whether or not we'd be getting stream codes. So please, think before you add a rebuttal. You act as though you have this insider knowledge that we know you don't, because a lot of your counters are just riddled with misguided assumptions.
Christin wrote: »
Do you even bother to watch the streams? From a lot of your responses, I don't think you do.

Of course I do. Statements made in those streams don't happen without a broader context. Whenever someone leaves a company, it triggers conversations at the company-level about how to carry on that person's responsibilities, and often results in looks back at "what worked" and "what didn't work." That's why changes in staff often result in changes in policy; it's a chance to create a clean slate. It's not like someone new is going to come on board and make sweeping changes because they feel like it without any conversations about what went right/wrong in the past.

But anyway, this whole pointless and counterproductive tangent just goes to show that the actual argument in this thread is long over.
TERA PC - General Discussion#176 SekVilker07/01/2018, 06:04 AM
Christin wrote: »
Do you even bother to watch the streams? From a lot of your responses, I don't think you do.

Of course I do. Statements made in those streams don't happen without a broader context. Whenever someone leaves a company, it triggers conversations at the company-level about how to carry on that person's responsibilities, and often results in looks back at "what worked" and "what didn't work." That's why changes in staff often result in changes in policy; it's a chance to create a clean slate. It's not like someone new is going to come on board and make sweeping changes because they feel like it without any conversations about what went right/wrong in the past.

But anyway, this whole pointless and counterproductive tangent just goes to show that the actual argument in this thread is long over.

Actually,the argument is far from over. A lot of people are very upset with the way this event is being made, because it really is one mess after another...so it's a lot of frustration and anger not only because this event is a mess but because it isn't the 1st time that it happened and sometimes...so people are venting all their anger and the subject can bring a lot of another results that it doesn't really add anything useful to the discussion (like cursing and pointing fingers about who did better and who did not in the enmasse staff...i did the same at my 1st message at this threat because i was very angry with how this event is being managed...i'm still upset,but i'm still looking and waiting for an agreement that can benefit us and enmasse...)

I also would like to apologize for my mistake in believing that only the 2017 swimsuits would be at sale...i didn't see the thread you linked before writing the post...

but regarding the main issue with this thread and some more...i can understand they're trying to control the supply of swimsuits by making them harder to obtain through lootboxes...but surely there's another way that they can do that without butchering all the fun the event is supposed to bring...

not only the lootboxes are way harder to obtain, but there's also the fact that if we receive a costume, there's the risk of out characters cannot use it...so they want it to control the supply? all right...they're controlling it but the control grip is too tight...it became so troublesome that they made the event almost useless...people barely go to the beach or the temple to gather tokens...the effort it isn't worthwhile at the current moment...

most of the considerations so far is that:

-most people (to say that instead of none at all) won't buy these old swimsuits at the daily deals...at least i believe it so...
-they also will try to get through boxes and most of the time, will fail...and they won't have a considerable amount of chances to try again,unless they grind a lot, which is very tiresome...
-Gathering tokens by other means is a solution? it is...btw,it seems to be the only option left...but it will make the event more like a secondary task,while it's supposed to be the core of the game at the moment,at least until july 31
- and now there's the fact that lower the boxes' prices would be unfair to those who redeemed the boxes already...

so enmasse could give tokens as rewards for doing vanguard quests...doing dg's,killing bams,battleground...at a reasonable amount that would allow us to have our chances...not just 2 beach /1 temple...

that would,for an example,allow that player who have only one character to risk at least one or two boxes per day after all the grindfest...at the current way,this is impossible to do...

sorry if my post is confusing in some point...english isn't my native language
SekVilker wrote: »
but regarding the main issue with this thread and some more...i can understand they're trying to control the supply of swimsuits by making them harder to obtain through lootboxes...but surely there's another way that they can do that without butchering all the fun the event is supposed to bring...

Well, in my personal opinion, I think the most "usable" solution is probably the one we discussed much earlier in the thread of adding some other potential prizes to the pool aside from swimsuits. Particularly given that this event is supposed to run for the entire month of July, having only the same rewards in the merchant the whole time would probably be boring anyway. That and having other events that give people a chance to earn tokens (like BAM spawns or other things) is probably the only way to arrive at some sort of middle ground, even though it still won't make everyone happy.
TERA PC - General Discussion#178 Equitas07/01/2018, 08:48 AM
En Masse gave people the opportunity to get discontinued outfits and accessories without having to spend real money, and you guys have the audacity to complain about it being marginally difficult. I want each of you to think about that for a moment. They were nice enough to grant an opportunity to those of you who contribute nothing financially. How can you complain? What position do you think you have to bargain from?
Christin wrote: »
Yeah, just ignore the streams where he says straight up we're spoiled and don't deserve codes and yadda, yadda. Yeah, just ignore that the summer event last year was the last generous event except for Spacey's event before he left. Yeah, just ignore the timing, streams and all of that evidence, because counter knows best. BTW, pointing that out is not a personal attack nor is it racist. Just adding that, because I'm sure you'll go there next.

Funny you say it's not about any one person when SpaceCats was the only reason we got weekly codes. If you don't think so, have we even gotten one decent code since he's left? He stated many times "i added this" and "I added that". It was obvious in the streams that he was creating the codes and what went along with them. He may have needed approval, but it was pretty direct that he and only he was responsible for the weekly codes. EME's office isn't that large, and after Spacey left, someone made it quite clear that they were in charge of whether or not we'd be getting stream codes. So please, think before you add a rebuttal. You act as though you have this insider knowledge that we know you don't, because a lot of your counters are just riddled with misguided assumptions.

It was the issue at hand. Look at the title of the thread. We're giving reasons on why everything has been nerfed for the past year. Just because you don't like the reason, doesn't make it not the reason. Do you even bother to watch the streams? From a lot of your responses, I don't think you do.

Why are you still here, @Christin?
Christin wrote: »
Tera has already been uninstalled from my system and my children's systems. It was nice while it lasted. Hope you all have fun dealing with the bs. I will have fun saving cash and have already found something else to play.
So true. People are lazy. They just want costumes without working hard / paying for it. Game is already free to play yet no one appreciates that and later proceeds to complain about not being handed rewards while sitting there twiddling their thumbs.
TERA PC - General Discussion#180 SageWindu07/01/2018, 01:44 PM
Do some of you understand the original argument at this point?

We don't want something for nothing - we just want the items we get to be worth the time invested. Much like, say, doing a 4/5-star dungeon and getting decent drops.

What we have now is an event where the workload is increased compared to last year, but the chances of you - yes, you - getting a specific item from the Summer Fun boxes that you - or someone else - can use and enjoy are greatly lowered. Velik's glorious cleavage, how does that make sense?!

That's a legit question, by the by. Another legit question I'd love to have answered is who has honestly benefited from this event as it is now.
SageWindu wrote: »
Do some of you understand the original argument at this point?

We don't want something for nothing - we just want the items we get to be worth the time invested. Much like, say, doing a 4/5-star dungeon and getting decent drops.

What we have now is an event where the workload is increased compared to last year, but the chances of you - yes, you - getting a specific item from the Summer Fun boxes that you - or someone else - can use and enjoy are greatly lowered. Velik's glorious cleavage, how does that make sense?!

That's a legit question, by the by. Another legit question I'd love to have answered is who has honestly benefited from this event as it is now.

EME benefits because they are selling the swim suits for real money. Things is there are people that give it to EME
> @EnviroBear said:
> So true. People are lazy. They just want costumes without working hard / paying for it. Game is already free to play yet no one appreciates that and later proceeds to complain about not being handed rewards while sitting there twiddling their thumbs.


You completely missed the point. People aren’t twiddling their thumbs doing nothing, they’re mad that the grind is way too much for something they might not even be able to use on their character.

People don’t necessarily appreciate the free to play aspect because we know they chose to have that business model to have as much revenue as possible not for the players. Such short sighted.
TERA PC - General Discussion#183 Equitas07/01/2018, 06:14 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
Do some of you understand the original argument at this point?

We don't want something for nothing - we just want the items we get to be worth the time invested. Much like, say, doing a 4/5-star dungeon and getting decent drops.

What we have now is an event where the workload is increased compared to last year, but the chances of you - yes, you - getting a specific item from the Summer Fun boxes that you - or someone else - can use and enjoy are greatly lowered. Velik's glorious cleavage, how does that make sense?!

That's a legit question, by the by. Another legit question I'd love to have answered is who has honestly benefited from this event as it is now.

I do understand the original argument, and I've already addressed it. People do want something for nothing. There is no question about it. There's no other way you can spin this. People are complaining that they have to put in a little more time to win something that En Masse previously charged real money for. Is it based entirely on chance? Yes, but again, these are cash shop items that were previously unattainable without real money. If you're not having luck getting the item you want, trade for it. If you don't have the coin, then go earn it. Making gold is so much easier now than it's ever been. The whole concept is that people that play more, and people who pay more, will have more. That's how it should be.
> @EnviroBear said:
> So true. People are lazy. They just want costumes without working hard / paying for it. Game is already free to play yet no one appreciates that and later proceeds to complain about not being handed rewards while sitting there twiddling their thumbs.


You completely missed the point. People aren’t twiddling their thumbs doing nothing, they’re mad that the grind is way too much for something they might not even be able to use on their character.

People don’t necessarily appreciate the free to play aspect because we know they chose to have that business model to have as much revenue as possible not for the players. Such short sighted.

If people "aren't twiddling their thumbs doing nothing", then they wouldn't have this problem. They'd be taking advantage of the opportunities afforded to them. If you aren't getting what you want from the boxes, then trade for them. People are mad because they're not getting $5-$10 virtual fashion practically handed to them. Also, it doesn't matter what business model BHS or En Masse chose. People are not entitled to anything for free. Period. It doesn't matter what you and people like you think "we know".
I feel this is misrepresenting the overall argument.

I don't want things handed to me for free. Last year's summer event was way overboard (although very fun.) This year's event, although not generous at all, could be immensely improved if they just gave smart boxes from the event reward loot boxes instead of random costumes. It'd still be a bit time-consuming to get one box, but way better than this.

But it seems Enmasse either does extremely generous events, or events that are just not worth the time to do. I want a middle ground. To stop balancing out crazy-good events with crazy-bad versions, and give us something that's worth the time to do (and let's face it, these summer quests are quite tedious and boring.)

Let me repeat, I want a middle ground. To stop balancing out crazy-good events with crazy-bad versions.

And I'd like to hear them respond to the discussion, here, on the forums. If they say no changes will happen then that's how it is.
TERA PC - General Discussion#185 kamizuma07/01/2018, 07:50 PM
funny how literally the same content is seen as "incredibly fun" or "not very fun" based solely on the rewards.
TERA PC - General Discussion#186 voidy07/01/2018, 07:59 PM
kamizuma wrote: »
funny how literally the same content is seen as "incredibly fun" or "not very fun" based solely on the rewards.

Yeah dude that's what happens when you recycle the same event four years in a row, who'd have thought.
TERA PC - General Discussion#187 Naru200807/01/2018, 08:06 PM
voidy wrote: »
kamizuma wrote: »
funny how literally the same content is seen as "incredibly fun" or "not very fun" based solely on the rewards.

Yeah dude that's what happens when you recycle the same event four years in a row, who'd have thought.

The same person who hordes the same things every year and puts down anyone who actually is less fortunate than them in the forum by being passive with their comments. :')
That same person also misses the point of it not being solely about the rewards, but about the increased grind. (Which is based on how an individual looks at it, and their previous experiences, to which there's some merit to everyone's complaints.)
kamizuma wrote: »
funny how literally the same content is seen as "incredibly fun" or "not very fun" based solely on the rewards.

Well yeah, it's not like the summer quests and minigames are enjoyable, challenging or interesting. So you need the reward carrot to grind through doing them or else there'd be no point (unless you want Loremaster.)

And it was "fun" in a "wow gee I'm getting a lot of costumes and accessories I can use for not much effort" kind of way. And some were pretty good costumes to have. This directly leads into broker shenanigans so I don't think I need to explain further.

So yes, it was fun (unless you're a broker hoarder, perhaps) even if it was way too generous.
TERA PC - General Discussion#189 Zoknahal07/01/2018, 09:01 PM
kamizuma wrote: »
funny how literally the same content is seen as "incredibly fun" or "not very fun" based solely on the rewards.

Well yeah, it's not like the summer quests and minigames are enjoyable, challenging or interesting. So you need the reward carrot to grind through doing them or else there'd be no point (unless you want Loremaster.)

And it was "fun" in a "wow gee I'm getting a lot of costumes and accessories I can use for not much effort" kind of way. And some were pretty good costumes to have. This directly leads into broker shenanigans so I don't think I need to explain further.

So yes, it was fun (unless you're a broker hoarder, perhaps) even if it was way too generous.

I think you explained it very well, the whole point of this entire thread.
TERA PC - General Discussion#190 Galiers07/01/2018, 10:44 PM
eme need to think about this...

1- the emp rate is too hight
2- some ppl dont spend money in tera
3- ppl need gold to buy elite and emp items, like costumes
4- if ppl cant make gold... ppl dont buy emp items to ppl who sell emp

eme dont give us streams codes
eme dont give us innerwear coins in daylis rewards, so we cant sell innerwears
eme dont give us events to make gold
TERA PC - General Discussion#191 kubitoid07/01/2018, 11:35 PM
Galiers wrote: »
4- if ppl cant make gold... ppl dont buy emp items to ppl who sell emp
knock at eme office door...
eme stuff:
- whos there?
shy voice:
- federation gem crate...
eme stuff:
- wat r u waiting for? come in come in!!!
TERA PC - General Discussion#192 ElinUsagi07/02/2018, 12:04 AM
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Galiers wrote: »
eme need to think about this...

1- the emp rate is too hight
2- some ppl dont spend money in tera
3- ppl need gold to buy elite and emp items, like costumes
4- if ppl cant make gold... ppl dont buy emp items to ppl who sell emp

eme dont give us streams codes
eme dont give us innerwear coins in daylis rewards, so we cant sell innerwears
eme dont give us events to make gold

You can make about 20k gold per hour if you know what you are doing, without even trading with other players.

Gold is easier and faster to get than before when EMP:GOLD ratio was like 1:30 (Like almost 4 times faster) and current EMP:GOLD ratios are still below what it could be if you think about that.
TERA PC - General Discussion#193 Christin07/02/2018, 12:47 AM
EnviroBear wrote: »
So true. People are lazy. They just want costumes without working hard / paying for it. Game is already free to play yet no one appreciates that and later proceeds to complain about not being handed rewards while sitting there twiddling their thumbs.

You're right. Everyone not happy about the rewards is just super lazy, and they don't want to work for the prizes. Grinding for 7 days for a box that will most likely give you an accessory is extremely generous of EME. The fact that most players will grind twice as much for better rewards is besides the point. Yeah, what a bunch of lazy people. They should just buy and sell stuff like Kami, because that isn't being lazy at all. No, the more you grind the better, and the more you grind, the more EME thinks you appreciate them.

Yeah, the game is already free to play. What more do you people want? You all act like EME was forced to make the game free. You know, like they charged, but not enough people would pay or something like that. Surely Tera is free to play, because EME didn't want to be greedy while the hoards of players were throwing money at them.

To all of you complaining about the grind, well, it's not going to get any better. In fact, it's going to get worse. Obviously, they weren't making enough money being generous, so now, they're gonna try the miser approach. You will grind for days and days and get a decent reward if you're lucky. If EME gives tradeable items, you will grind for days to get them. If EME gives untradable items, you might luck out with less of a grind. My prediction is that more and more prizes will be untradeable going forward. If you don't like it, Steam is having a summer sale to July 5th, and there are plenty of other free games out there to pick from.
TERA PC - General Discussion#194 Zoknahal07/02/2018, 02:32 AM
Christin wrote: »
Grinding for 7 days for a box that will most likely give you an accessory is extremely generous of EME. The fact that most players will grind twice as much for better rewards is besides the point. Yeah, what a bunch of lazy people. They should just buy and sell stuff like Kami, because that isn't being lazy at all. No, the more you grind the better, and the more you grind, the more EME thinks you appreciate them.

Are you [filtered] joking? Of course no one is happy to grind for 7 days. And you are suggesting we should all do what Kamizuma does? are you implying everyone can and will use his method? that everyone will be happy and comfortable with it? No. Everyone has a different way to profit, Kamizuma way is not the only one. Just because it makes him loads of gold, doesnt mean its for everyone, some people might find it boring to sit on stockpiles of stuff, and just want a quick earning. And you really think everyone likes grind? How would you feel if after 7 days of grinding for a single box, you get an item worth *drums* 50 gold. Wao, So generous of EME, they gave me 50 gold. Ohh right, i still have more chances right? lets grind more! Flash news Mr." I quit TERA for XIGNCODE3 but i still like to lurk in this game forums" The grind gets boring, and if you get bored, you aren't enjoying the event, no matter how much free stuff you get.

You really have missed the entire point of the discussion in this thread, please refer to what @Strawberrypants said last.

We aren't lazy, but we aren't idiots. If the box would had some sort of motivation to farm, like, get only costumes instead of accessories, then the price of the box would had been justified. But it isn't. This box contains more chances to get an accessory than a costume, and even when you get a costume, is not for your race and gender. The reason why the last Summer event was so successful, was because the price of the box was tailored accordingly to the contents.

Everyone loved the last summer event, not just because of the free stuff, but also because it was time friendly and player friendly. You could go farm tokens on a single character and still get decently rewarded. Newer players would quickly find out that they could get costumes they otherwise would had to pay a lot of gold for, just by participating from the event, and that itself motivated those new players, and also gave em as a bonus some exp boost for their journey to 65 by doing the daily quests. We could go at any given time to get tokens just from the event. Spacecats would occasionally spawn big mobs that dropped boxes and tokens, but ultimately, just by doing the event quests was more than enough. Now we have to wait for the crab spawn, which only happens a few times and not everyone can be online when they spawn, and coincidentally, farming those giant crabs is the current most effective way to farm tokens, but is not time zone friendly, nor new player friendly, as this crabs hit really hard and new players would be found dead on the ground. You NEED TO hit this crabs in order to get rewarded. And so new players are forced to farm for 7 days, only for their hopes to be crushed when they get *drums* the full generosity of EME on giving them a totally worthless accessory.

But i forget, You no longer play this game dont you? but you speak as if you are still participating from this event? If you really have nothing to give to the discussion, then do everyone a favor, and leave for good. Spreading negativity and discussing on matters you arent even participating, it just makes you look bad, more than you look already.
TERA PC - General Discussion#195 SageWindu07/02/2018, 02:38 AM
@Zoknahal

Um... I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic, given their choice of verbiage.
TERA PC - General Discussion#196 Zoknahal07/02/2018, 03:01 AM
SageWindu wrote: »
@Zoknahal

Um... I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic, given their choice of verbiage.

Yeah, I realized it before even posting, but even sarcasm has a limit, at least to me, so im sorry if i hurt anyone's pride.

Some things you just dont do sarcasm about.
TERA PC - General Discussion#197 Equitas07/02/2018, 03:57 AM
I feel this is misrepresenting the overall argument.
This year's event ... could be immensely improved if they just gave smart boxes

You were saying something about me misrepresenting the argument?
Galiers wrote: »
eme need to think about this...

1- the emp rate is too hight
2- some ppl dont spend money in tera
3- ppl need gold to buy elite and emp items, like costumes
4- if ppl cant make gold... ppl dont buy emp items to ppl who sell emp

eme dont give us streams codes
eme dont give us innerwear coins in daylis rewards, so we cant sell innerwears
eme dont give us events to make gold

1. EMP is at the rate it's at because the ease of making money in this game. You could try to make the argument that a lack of suppliers has had a marginal impact on the price, but it's still not excessive.
2. I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. Obviously some people don't spend money. TERA is a free-to-play game with an overly generous emphasis on the "free" part.
3. Players don't "need" anything. At least, not in the context of the game. They want Elite and costumes. I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make here. As I said before, making money is so easy in this game. All you have to do is play the game.
4. If people can't make gold, they don't need to be buying anything. That doesn't mean EME should upend the system to cater to these kinds of people. Once again, I'd like to reiterate how easy it is to make money in TERA in 2018.

The stream codes previously given out didn't give anyone any sort of financial kickstart.
You can earn "innerwear coins", referred to as "Goldfinger Tokens", by running Ghillieglade.
EME has given you plenty of opportunities to make gold. You don't even have to wait for an event to do it.
Christin wrote: »
You're right. Everyone not happy about the rewards is just super lazy, and they don't want to work for the prizes. Grinding for 7 days for a box that will most likely give you an accessory is extremely generous of EME. The fact that most players will grind twice as much for better rewards is besides the point. Yeah, what a bunch of lazy people. They should just buy and sell stuff like Kami, because that isn't being lazy at all. No, the more you grind the better, and the more you grind, the more EME thinks you appreciate them.

Yeah, the game is already free to play. What more do you people want? You all act like EME was forced to make the game free. You know, like they charged, but not enough people would pay or something like that. Surely Tera is free to play, because EME didn't want to be greedy while the hoards of players were throwing money at them.

To all of you complaining about the grind, well, it's not going to get any better. In fact, it's going to get worse. Obviously, they weren't making enough money being generous, so now, they're gonna try the miser approach. You will grind for days and days and get a decent reward if you're lucky. If EME gives tradeable items, you will grind for days to get them. If EME gives untradable items, you might luck out with less of a grind. My prediction is that more and more prizes will be untradeable going forward. If you don't like it, Steam is having a summer sale to July 5th, and there are plenty of other free games out there to pick from.

@Christin, why are you still here?
Christin wrote: »
Tera has already been uninstalled from my system and my children's systems. It was nice while it lasted. Hope you all have fun dealing with the bs. I will have fun saving cash and have already found something else to play.
Equitas wrote: »
I feel this is misrepresenting the overall argument.
This year's event ... could be immensely improved if they just gave smart boxes

You were saying something about me misrepresenting the argument?

I felt I was being clear enough but perhaps not.

I did not mean guaranteed smartboxes as rewards, but rather, on the low chance that you get a costume instead of an accessory, that the reward be a box. Not a random race/gender combo.
Any one who thinks the prizes don't make the game fun then just think "No prizes stop all games because then no one will play in the events"
We have events to take the every day same thing grind and when we get prizes worth our effort we are happy. Seems too many people and EME don'
t want happy players.

Stop all events
TERA PC - General Discussion#200 ElinUsagi07/02/2018, 02:51 PM
KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
Any one who thinks the prizes don't make the game fun then just think "No prizes stop all games because then no one will play in the events"
We have events to take the every day same thing grind and when we get prizes worth our effort we are happy. Seems too many people and EME don'
t want happy players.

Stop all events

Probably a reason why EME didnt give smart boxes in this event is becuase many people using alts to abuse rewards from them, like in past events, making their sales go down a lot for those items in the cash shop.

Yet you will see here people that thinks a company can exist out of charity.
TERA PC - General Discussion#201 Zoknahal07/02/2018, 02:59 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Yet you will see here people that thinks a company can exist out of charity.

I would like to introduce you to a little Canadian studio called Digital Extremes.

TERA PC - General Discussion#202 ElinUsagi07/02/2018, 03:04 PM
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Zoknahal wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Yet you will see here people that thinks a company can exist out of charity.

I would like to introduce you to a little Canadian studio called Digital Extremes.

You mean the canadian studio that was sold to a chinese company?
TERA PC - General Discussion#203 SageWindu07/02/2018, 03:15 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
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Zoknahal wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Yet you will see here people that thinks a company can exist out of charity.

I would like to introduce you to a little Canadian studio called Digital Extremes.

You mean the canadian studio that was sold to a chinese company?

Who then was given the deal of "Hey, just do these few things for us, and then you guys can do your thing."

Which, allegedly, is how we got the frames Nezha and Wukong.

Also:
ElinUsagi wrote: »
KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
Any one who thinks the prizes don't make the game fun then just think "No prizes stop all games because then no one will play in the events"
We have events to take the every day same thing grind and when we get prizes worth our effort we are happy. Seems too many people and EME don'
t want happy players.

Stop all events

Probably a reason why EME didnt give smart boxes in this event is becuase many people using alts to abuse rewards from them, like in past events, making their sales go down a lot for those items in the cash shop.

This just smacks of naivety, and that coming from me is saying a bit. Of course people are going to try and exploit the system (hell, you can see this in party comps for dungeons). Or did you conveniently forget the few posts before yours bringing up GF tokens and someone talking about making 20k in a single session. You need alts in order to pull that off.

Need more evidence? Let me remind you of a few little things called the Vanarchy system and the Crusades.
TERA PC - General Discussion#204 ElinUsagi07/02/2018, 03:36 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
Need more evidence? Let me remind you of a few little things called the Vanarchy system and the Crusades.

Yes, and they are long gone for good.
TERA PC - General Discussion#205 Zoknahal07/02/2018, 03:37 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
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Zoknahal wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Yet you will see here people that thinks a company can exist out of charity.

I would like to introduce you to a little Canadian studio called Digital Extremes.

You mean the canadian studio that was sold to a chinese company?

You missed the point, but ill lay it here for you.

Digital Extremes, or DE for short, is a Canadian studio that runs on barely 250 people, and they have one of THE MOST successful games ever made to date, called Warframe, yes, that game those same Chinese companies and others confirmed it would fail, and here it is, after 5 years, defeating all of the odds against, by doing what they thought was the right thing to do.

And just like any other business, yeah, it cannot live out of charity, but its the ONLY studio/company out there that do not prey on its players wallets. They are probably the only studio out there that puts to shame every single studio, company and publisher that use and abuse the loot box system. They simply dont. They learned from their mistakes, and knew it was wrong, so they removed it completely from their business model.

This people do not cater to our wallets, they want us to truly have a fun experience in Warframe, they want us to enjoy the game. It has created such a strong and solid relationship with the players, that when they have a sale, specifically talking the Prime Access (which i know you will pick on) it doesn't feel like you are wasting your money. You are giving them that money, to keep creating content, to keep making this once little game called Warframe, into a better game, something you can come back even after having beaten the game literally.

Warframe does it right when it comes to fun and rewarding. Be it that you play for fun or the rewards, they are both balanced, and when they sell stuff, they simply just give it to you straight, no RNG bs involved. You pay for what you wanna buy.

Contrary to what EME did on this event, they keep preying on the players wallet, and ignore our comments and feedback. At least Spacecats knew and realized this, and to make up for it, he made the summer event last year the more fun when the rewards got adjusted, and everyone loved it. You may have felt like grinding, but in the process, you were getting rewarded, and thus, you were having fun.

But this? this is both, not fun and not rewarding.
TERA PC - General Discussion#206 ElinUsagi07/02/2018, 03:52 PM
Zoknahal wrote: »
But this? this is both, not fun and not rewarding.

The event is doing the same activities, if its not fun now then it wasnt fun before, you are saying that fun is tied only by rewards then I think the "Claw and Order" event from EME was just as bad or even worst than this, right?
TERA PC - General Discussion#207 SageWindu07/02/2018, 04:37 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Zoknahal wrote: »
But this? this is both, not fun and not rewarding.

The event is doing the same activities like it was last year, if its not fun now then it wasnt fun before, you are saying that fun is tied only by rewards then I think the "Claw and Order" event from EME was just as bad or even worst than this, right?

I don't think anyone is disputing that at this point (can't say for "Claw and Order" as I've never participated in that). In fact, someone on the previous page made this exact argument:
kamizuma wrote: »
funny how literally the same content is seen as "incredibly fun" or "not very fun" based solely on the rewards.

Well yeah, it's not like the summer quests and minigames are enjoyable, challenging or interesting. So you need the reward carrot to grind through doing them or else there'd be no point (unless you want Loremaster.)

And it was "fun" in a "wow gee I'm getting a lot of costumes and accessories I can use for not much effort" kind of way. And some were pretty good costumes to have. This directly leads into broker shenanigans so I don't think I need to explain further.

So yes, it was fun (unless you're a broker hoarder, perhaps) even if it was way too generous.

I haven't seen too many people disagree with this so far.
TERA PC - General Discussion#208 SageWindu07/02/2018, 04:43 PM
Also, I just realized something: the cash shop Summer Boxes are fundamentally the same as last year, right? That means there's a layer of RNG the cash shop DOES NOT HAVE compared to its current in-game counterpart. Think about that for a moment.
TERA PC - General Discussion#209 ElinUsagi07/02/2018, 04:44 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
I haven't seen too many people disagree with this so far.

The only thing that I could agree with most people here is that the event could have gave a direct way to get a desired reward for players, making it as grindy as it is now but letting people chose what they want to get (aside from consumables that I think they have a fair cost).

That's why I even suggested to give tokens on vanduard daily rewards from dungeons and in a good amount from those that are 4 and 5 stars, because we not only need people doing the summer event but we also need people to keep focusing in the current content that needs team work to be done.
TERA PC - General Discussion#210 kubitoid07/02/2018, 05:08 PM
Zoknahal wrote: »
Digital Extremes, or DE for short, is a Canadian studio that runs on barely 250 people, and they have one of THE MOST successful games ever made to date, called Warframe
yo doki doki!!! i have even better example. crate entertainment, company being run on 13 ppl and their astounding product no need to mention how its called. best game ever
TERA PC - General Discussion#211 Christin07/03/2018, 04:50 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
Any one who thinks the prizes don't make the game fun then just think "No prizes stop all games because then no one will play in the events"
We have events to take the every day same thing grind and when we get prizes worth our effort we are happy. Seems too many people and EME don'
t want happy players.

Stop all events

Probably a reason why EME didnt give smart boxes in this event is becuase many people using alts to abuse rewards from them, like in past events, making their sales go down a lot for those items in the cash shop.

Yet you will see here people that thinks a company can exist out of charity.

Your logic is always so amusing! So a character based swimsuit is better, because it doesn't compete with Tera's cash shop? More like the value of the swimsuits will plummet now, because people will just sell them for cheap to get rid of them. Kami will buy them all up and nothing much will change. Do you really have any idea of how many suits people still have stock piled away? I can't imagine people really ever spent a lot on suits anyways. Not once did I ever want to buy EMP for an older swimsuit costume.

BTW, you all act like using alts is cheating! How is it cheating? Where in this flipping game does it or has it ever stated that the events were to only be used by one character? There is nothing wrong with buying character slots and creating more characters. It's not cheating nor is it abusing the game WHATSOEVER! So please stop your constant attack on people with alts, because it's getting old.

Well, I guess we'll see if this new tactic works. No doubt as soon as people realized they were going to have to grind for a swimsuit, they got out their plastic and swiped. No doubt EME has already seen their sales soar to new levels, and after the celebration, Sean can take them all out for Dairy Queen.
TERA PC - General Discussion#212 Equitas07/03/2018, 05:08 AM
I felt I was being clear enough but perhaps not.

I did not mean guaranteed smartboxes as rewards, but rather, on the low chance that you get a costume instead of an accessory, that the reward be a box. Not a random race/gender combo.

Nice save.

As for this back and forth about Digital Extremes, and what other companies may or may not do... well, we can go ahead and put an end to that discussion. They still rake in money from players who pay for frames, equipment, and modifications. Their system is the same as TERA's in the sense that you don't have to spend money to get ahead. You guys are seriously complaining about BHS, and EME in turn, being greedy because you're not getting handouts from something you didn't have to spend real money on. Just stop.
SageWindu wrote: »
Also, I just realized something: the cash shop Summer Boxes are fundamentally the same as last year, right? That means there's a layer of RNG the cash shop DOES NOT HAVE compared to its current in-game counterpart. Think about that for a moment.

The same Summer Boxes that reward you with items that were previously locked to the cash shop, which required you to spend real money. Think about that for a moment.
Christin wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
KXRC9JMW74 wrote: »
Any one who thinks the prizes don't make the game fun then just think "No prizes stop all games because then no one will play in the events"
We have events to take the every day same thing grind and when we get prizes worth our effort we are happy. Seems too many people and EME don'
t want happy players.

Stop all events

Probably a reason why EME didnt give smart boxes in this event is becuase many people using alts to abuse rewards from them, like in past events, making their sales go down a lot for those items in the cash shop.

Yet you will see here people that thinks a company can exist out of charity.

Your logic is always so amusing! So a character based swimsuit is better, because it doesn't compete with Tera's cash shop? More like the value of the swimsuits will plummet now, because people will just sell them for cheap to get rid of them. Kami will buy them all up and nothing much will change. Do you really have any idea of how many suits people still have stock piled away? I can't imagine people really ever spent a lot on suits anyways. Not once did I ever want to buy EMP for an older swimsuit costume.

BTW, you all act like using alts is cheating! How is it cheating? Where in this flipping game does it or has it ever stated that the events were to only be used by one character? There is nothing wrong with buying character slots and creating more characters. It's not cheating nor is it abusing the game WHATSOEVER! So please stop your constant attack on people with alts, because it's getting old.

Well, I guess we'll see if this new tactic works. No doubt as soon as people realized they were going to have to grind for a swimsuit, they got out their plastic and swiped. No doubt EME has already seen their sales soar to new levels, and after the celebration, Sean can take them all out for Dairy Queen.

@Christin, why are you still here?
Christin wrote: »
Tera has already been uninstalled from my system and my children's systems. It was nice while it lasted. Hope you all have fun dealing with the bs. I will have fun saving cash and have already found something else to play.
TERA PC - General Discussion#213 Serenade07/03/2018, 05:17 AM
I can actually understand why they did something like this.

I have 9 characters that are able to do the quests every day. Combined, they get almost 3 boxes every day for about 1 hour of quests combined. The quests themselves are very quick to do - the beach ones combined can be knocked out in 3 minutes, and the temple ones might take 5 at worst. That's only a bit more than an hour of farming each day for the boxes in my case. I'm almost certain that there are many people who have even more characters than I do and can grind the ever-living heck out of the boxes.

If the boxes were still offered at 20 tokens, then I'd have about 20 boxes a day. Many people out there would make like 30-40 per day, or possibly over 1000 over the course of the event. Taken together, that would make the costumes all but worthless for entire months after the event is over.

That's not necessarily a good thing in the end.
Serenade wrote: »
Taken together, that would make the costumes all but worthless for entire months after the event is over.

Which is indeed exactly what happened last year, and is still affecting the swimsuit market to this day (certainly compared to how it was in all previous years before last). And given that this something they are also trying to sell on their cash shop (so it's important both to the paying customer and to the company that it's worth the asking price), it's doubly counterproductive to trash the items' gold value like they did. This year is a massive correction for last year's lapse.

If they're going to keep re-running this event, it should feel rewarding enough, absolutely, but there are plenty of other rewards they could add or offer that would do the job, completely setting these costumes aside.
TERA PC - General Discussion#215 SageWindu07/03/2018, 01:56 PM
Equitas wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
Also, I just realized something: the cash shop Summer Boxes are fundamentally the same as last year, right? That means there's a layer of RNG the cash shop DOES NOT HAVE compared to its current in-game counterpart. Think about that for a moment.

The same Summer Boxes that reward you with items that were previously locked to the cash shop, which required you to spend real money. Think about that for a moment.

Except that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that this year's event has you essentially doing more work (~620% more on both sides...) for less of a reward (...for a chance at an old swimsuit that may not correspond to that character's race and gender).

So if you want to bypass the grind - much like last year - and also the extra layer of RNG involved - unlike last year - you better get ready to drop some dosh on the cash shop boxes.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have some pretty mean words for EME in my head right now as such...
TERA PC - General Discussion#216 Ellexem07/03/2018, 01:56 PM
I feel that we kind of need to split the issue with the event.

On the one hand side, we have a need for the ambiance. A beach party, throw on a swimsuit, play in the water, sun yourself. Engage in some fireworks at the Temple of the Sun and wag your finger at the vampires for not getting into the spirit of the season. Throw some water balloons, have some imaginary super-soaker fights, eat some ice cream.

That's kind of the spirit of the event, and rewards should ideally make you feel as if you're part of that. (And to some degree they have that with different other extra tab items from the beach event, even if they seem to be largely pushed to the side due to people hording the tokens for the permanent items.)

This is the portion that I feel we can and should push to have things added to. Adding temporary swimsuits that you can 'rent' (read buy with tokens, as you used to be able to; consider it an option to more thoroughly preview different versions, if you will, in case they'd add all of the ones available), some beach raffle items, that can have something potentially fun (get your own water melon to chase you around, a beach towel you can lounge on, maybe some fun drink variations; just to throw out some ideas), maybe some new beach themed battleground (akin to the winter one; perhaps with wearing some kind of swimsuit as mandatory to be able to enter, so the temporary ones even have an actual purpose) or just some way to let you actually have a super-soaker item that changes out some skills so you can spray water around (much like how flying mounts and such change your skill bar -- please don't take this as me pushing for specifically the super-soaker, it's just the first item that comes to mind due to there being an in-game model for it).

Something that is part of the event, that you can look forward to as some fun diversion where you do things. The tokens you collect can perhaps be in part fare tokens to take the rides (instances, battleground, whatever; maybe along with a general 'wear swimsuit to get a discount or to be able to use this'), or 'rent' for temporary items, so you can have some more reason to want them. Your choice what you use them for.

The key takeaway for the event being: Get into a swimsuit and have fun, NOT time to farm a permanent swimsuit.


The other hand side is the issue with the permanent things you walk away with from the event. It should feel like something special if you get a permanent version of something here. An item that you can use all year, and not just during the seasonal event. The lootbox we have kind of spectacularly fails at providing this feeling.

In a way it feels as if they were trying to be too nice about giving us exactly just the amount of permanent items that they are comfortable with. No jumping through extra hoops, no fake temp prizes to clutter things up. Once you have that box, you are getting something permanent. Only without the surrounding filler, the low key rewards, it doesn't feel particularly great to get that box.

I mean, take the same lootbox and frame it differently:
  1. You buy a raffle ticket. One of several items on display. A lot of people buy them, only a few win. Prizes are what was available at the time. If you win you get what was there, use as you will.
  2. You buy a box that is guaranteed to have something permanent. Doesn't matter how many people buy them, you always get a prize.

The second strongly raises the expectation of 'This will be something I can use.' Which just primes you for disappointment. The first can more easily lend itself to a theme of temporary items and a lower ticket price. The end result can be the exact same number of permanent items for the amount of effort put in, but you are far more likely to be not so unhappy about not getting what you wanted with the raffle ticket, since it already primed you for that outcome.


TL;DR: Add a purpose to having even temporary swimsuits. Add more things to do.
TERA PC - General Discussion#217 Christin07/03/2018, 06:26 PM
There really is a solution, but EME is too lazy to be bothered to implement it. On all of the other games I play, they actually create prizes for events. You know, so they aren't always giving away cash shop items. Temporary items still compete with the cash shop items. Why buy a swimsuit when you can just wear temp ones all summer?

If people are so worried about accounts with alts, turn the prizes back to the smart boxes and make then untradeable. No one should be playing the event to farm gold anyways. If people want to farm the event for their alts, they can as much as they want without hurting the precious economy. Sure, they won't be spending cash on suits, but if you spend enough time farming gold, you don't have to pay cash either. Better to make prizes untradeable than to stick people with suits they can't use and have to dump on the broker. Plus, making the smart boxes untradeable encourages players to buy those character slots and create more alts if they are lucky enough to get more suits than they need.
That event gives what? Summer bikini`s costume?
nah.. i`m pass.. :#
TERA PC - General Discussion#219 Equitas07/04/2018, 05:11 AM
SageWindu wrote: »
Equitas wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
Also, I just realized something: the cash shop Summer Boxes are fundamentally the same as last year, right? That means there's a layer of RNG the cash shop DOES NOT HAVE compared to its current in-game counterpart. Think about that for a moment.

The same Summer Boxes that reward you with items that were previously locked to the cash shop, which required you to spend real money. Think about that for a moment.

Except that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that this year's event has you essentially doing more work (~620% more on both sides...) for less of a reward (...for a chance at an old swimsuit that may not correspond to that character's race and gender).

So if you want to bypass the grind - much like last year - and also the extra layer of RNG involved - unlike last year - you better get ready to drop some dosh on the cash shop boxes.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have some pretty mean words for EME in my head right now as such...

Cash shop items in free boxes from the event.
Ellexem wrote: »
I feel that we kind of need to split the issue with the event.

On the one hand side, we have a need for the ambiance. A beach party, throw on a swimsuit, play in the water, sun yourself. Engage in some fireworks at the Temple of the Sun and wag your finger at the vampires for not getting into the spirit of the season. Throw some water balloons, have some imaginary super-soaker fights, eat some ice cream.

That's kind of the spirit of the event, and rewards should ideally make you feel as if you're part of that. (And to some degree they have that with different other extra tab items from the beach event, even if they seem to be largely pushed to the side due to people hording the tokens for the permanent items.)

This is the portion that I feel we can and should push to have things added to. Adding temporary swimsuits that you can 'rent' (read buy with tokens, as you used to be able to; consider it an option to more thoroughly preview different versions, if you will, in case they'd add all of the ones available), some beach raffle items, that can have something potentially fun (get your own water melon to chase you around, a beach towel you can lounge on, maybe some fun drink variations; just to throw out some ideas), maybe some new beach themed battleground (akin to the winter one; perhaps with wearing some kind of swimsuit as mandatory to be able to enter, so the temporary ones even have an actual purpose) or just some way to let you actually have a super-soaker item that changes out some skills so you can spray water around (much like how flying mounts and such change your skill bar -- please don't take this as me pushing for specifically the super-soaker, it's just the first item that comes to mind due to there being an in-game model for it).

Something that is part of the event, that you can look forward to as some fun diversion where you do things. The tokens you collect can perhaps be in part fare tokens to take the rides (instances, battleground, whatever; maybe along with a general 'wear swimsuit to get a discount or to be able to use this'), or 'rent' for temporary items, so you can have some more reason to want them. Your choice what you use them for.

The key takeaway for the event being: Get into a swimsuit and have fun, NOT time to farm a permanent swimsuit.


The other hand side is the issue with the permanent things you walk away with from the event. It should feel like something special if you get a permanent version of something here. An item that you can use all year, and not just during the seasonal event. The lootbox we have kind of spectacularly fails at providing this feeling.

In a way it feels as if they were trying to be too nice about giving us exactly just the amount of permanent items that they are comfortable with. No jumping through extra hoops, no fake temp prizes to clutter things up. Once you have that box, you are getting something permanent. Only without the surrounding filler, the low key rewards, it doesn't feel particularly great to get that box.

I mean, take the same lootbox and frame it differently:
  1. You buy a raffle ticket. One of several items on display. A lot of people buy them, only a few win. Prizes are what was available at the time. If you win you get what was there, use as you will.
  2. You buy a box that is guaranteed to have something permanent. Doesn't matter how many people buy them, you always get a prize.

The second strongly raises the expectation of 'This will be something I can use.' Which just primes you for disappointment. The first can more easily lend itself to a theme of temporary items and a lower ticket price. The end result can be the exact same number of permanent items for the amount of effort put in, but you are far more likely to be not so unhappy about not getting what you wanted with the raffle ticket, since it already primed you for that outcome.


TL;DR: Add a purpose to having even temporary swimsuits. Add more things to do.

This is something I can get behind.
Christin wrote: »
There really is a solution, but EME is too lazy to be bothered to implement it. On all of the other games I play, they actually create prizes for events. You know, so they aren't always giving away cash shop items. Temporary items still compete with the cash shop items. Why buy a swimsuit when you can just wear temp ones all summer?

If people are so worried about accounts with alts, turn the prizes back to the smart boxes and make then untradeable. No one should be playing the event to farm gold anyways. If people want to farm the event for their alts, they can as much as they want without hurting the precious economy. Sure, they won't be spending cash on suits, but if you spend enough time farming gold, you don't have to pay cash either. Better to make prizes untradeable than to stick people with suits they can't use and have to dump on the broker. Plus, making the smart boxes untradeable encourages players to buy those character slots and create more alts if they are lucky enough to get more suits than they need.

@Christin, why are you still here?
Christin wrote: »
Tera has already been uninstalled from my system and my children's systems. It was nice while it lasted. Hope you all have fun dealing with the bs. I will have fun saving cash and have already found something else to play.
TERA PC - General Discussion#220 Galiers07/05/2018, 10:41 PM
and nothing...
TERA PC - General Discussion#221 Zoknahal07/05/2018, 11:52 PM
I have lost hope already EME will do anything to change the tokens. They clearly have no intentions of doing it, and now everything that @SingleBear said on discord feels like empty words used only to give us false hopes and to shut up some of us.

Way to go EME. You ask for feedback, but you do not act upon it. So many good possible solutions to the token cost dilema in this thread, and now 2 weeks have passed since the event started, and you guys have not done a single thing about it.
Zoknahal wrote: »
They clearly have no intentions of doing it, and now everything that @SingleBear said on discord feels like empty words used only to give us false hopes and to shut up some of us.

Honestly, I'm not really sure there was much "false hope" given on Discord. This is what he said there on 25 June:
SingleBear wrote:
I am fully aware of the cost of the box last year. I made the decision to make the box more expensive. It shouldn't be a piñata popping out items we monetize. I am also including more ways to get tokens than just the summer festival events. [...] I don't think we are trying to make the event compete for IoD farming time. IoD should be a better source for materials. Events are supplemental activities.

And then in response to another comment...
Madchen wrote:
Well, anyway, tell me if you're fixing/making anything better than what it is now, I only got 2 tokens to test the shop and I regret so much losing those 5 minutes lol
SingleBear wrote:
I am probably not going to make you happy with this event.


At this point, I am at least sure they won't change the price of content of this box on the merchant, as that'd be unfair to anyone who already bought them. The only hope is that maybe they consider adding some other option to the merchant, but the time for that is probably running out too.
TERA PC - General Discussion#223 SageWindu07/06/2018, 12:22 AM
Equitas wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
Equitas wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
Also, I just realized something: the cash shop Summer Boxes are fundamentally the same as last year, right? That means there's a layer of RNG the cash shop DOES NOT HAVE compared to its current in-game counterpart. Think about that for a moment.

The same Summer Boxes that reward you with items that were previously locked to the cash shop, which required you to spend real money. Think about that for a moment.

Except that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that this year's event has you essentially doing more work (~620% more on both sides...) for less of a reward (...for a chance at an old swimsuit that may not correspond to that character's race and gender).

So if you want to bypass the grind - much like last year - and also the extra layer of RNG involved - unlike last year - you better get ready to drop some dosh on the cash shop boxes.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have some pretty mean words for EME in my head right now as such...

Cash shop items in free boxes from the event.

I'm done arguing with you. I'm trying to make one point and you keep bringing up a different one.

It's moot anyway. I've said my goodbyes to this event a long time ago and won't miss it when it's gone. Good luck, and may the Force be with you.

TERA PC - General Discussion#224 Equitas07/06/2018, 05:44 AM
SageWindu wrote: »
I'm done arguing with you. I'm trying to make one point and you keep bringing up a different one.

It's moot anyway. I've said my goodbyes to this event a long time ago and won't miss it when it's gone. Good luck, and may the Force be with you.

You were done before you started, moron. I'm literally arguing against the same weak point you're trying to make, and now you're trying to bow out of the discussion with a pathetic excuse that I'm not on topic. What a joke.
I don't have time to farm "events" on alts. I did the event for about 1 week on 1 character, got enough tokens to get 1 lootbox from each token type. Got 2 headwear accessories. Meanwhile I'm hearing from people doing the event much more than I that the costumes they have received are mostly not for their race, and mostly for the least played races (Baraka, Aman). I threw in the towel at that point, it's simply not worth it, let alone fun.

If the problem is that too many farm it into the ground (which is what destroys most nice events), make the received items account bound.

I can farm my life away at this event on a ton of alts for something I probably can't use, or I can do a few dungeons (something i actually enjoy) and buy the usable item outright on the broker from some poor sap farming their life away instead. What an event! *rolls eyes*
This is why i wrote in the other thread that i don't believe this words:

> @KitTeaCup said:
> Hi everyone!
>
> The feedback is greatly appreciated. I'm doing my best to make sure to visit and post in the forums as much as I can!
>
> The Forums, Discord and Twitter are very important to us. You'll be seeing a lot more of me - and I look forward to working with you all :)

This wasnt a personal reply post. It was reply to all eme that they lie so often and easily, that they so rarely follow their own promises (its about how they will listen to feedback))) that i have no faith and no trust to them.
And now i see that I was right.
Summer event soon gonna pass and yet nothing was done. Bravissimo.

Amused by indifference of cms and staff.
TERA PC - General Discussion#227 kubitoid07/07/2018, 07:28 AM
For every moment of happiness, excitement, is a moment of sadness and despair. A person once said it -- who exactly, i forgot. But that is a lie. The truth is...

-- Rune Zhevitz
TERA PC - General Discussion#228 Christin07/07/2018, 09:03 AM
SageWindu wrote: »
Equitas wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
Equitas wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
Also, I just realized something: the cash shop Summer Boxes are fundamentally the same as last year, right? That means there's a layer of RNG the cash shop DOES NOT HAVE compared to its current in-game counterpart. Think about that for a moment.

The same Summer Boxes that reward you with items that were previously locked to the cash shop, which required you to spend real money. Think about that for a moment.

Except that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that this year's event has you essentially doing more work (~620% more on both sides...) for less of a reward (...for a chance at an old swimsuit that may not correspond to that character's race and gender).

So if you want to bypass the grind - much like last year - and also the extra layer of RNG involved - unlike last year - you better get ready to drop some dosh on the cash shop boxes.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have some pretty mean words for EME in my head right now as such...

Cash shop items in free boxes from the event.

I'm done arguing with you. I'm trying to make one point and you keep bringing up a different one.

It's moot anyway. I've said my goodbyes to this event a long time ago and won't miss it when it's gone. Good luck, and may the Force be with you.

Some people just don't realize they will never get that pat on the head from EME that they so desperately crave. Maybe the Force can give them a cookie or something, because it's definitely not going to give them a cool swimsuit this year.
But we have loot boxes! Cheer up!
TERA PC - General Discussion#230 Equitas07/07/2018, 05:40 PM
Christin wrote: »
Some people just don't realize they will never get that pat on the head from EME that they so desperately crave. Maybe the Force can give them a cookie or something, because it's definitely not going to give them a cool swimsuit this year.

I don't "desperately crave" validation from EME, or anyone else for that matter. I just correct misinformation and attempt to realign misguided notions of entitlement. The same can't be said about you.
Christin wrote: »
Tera has already been uninstalled from my system and my children's systems. It was nice while it lasted. Hope you all have fun dealing with the bs. I will have fun saving cash and have already found something else to play.

You posted this a month ago to the day. You're still here, holding tightly to the rails of the "slam TERA" bandwagon for dear life in an attempt to gain some acceptance. You were a whiny pissant in-game who refused to do things with other people. I don't know why you're vying for their approval now. I fear the kind of people you're going to raise your children to be, and I'm ashamed for whatever fool thought you worth impregnating.
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