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Console General Discussion: Highway Robbery
Gotta love enmasse, still ripping off it's customers right and left with their "loot" box system. Guess how much money it takes to get some inner armor (the only thing woth it for the stats). Well I still don't know and don't plan on finding out since over 100 bucks wasn't the right ammount. Even better after you've been ripped off they blatantly shove when other people get the item on your screen just so you think it's only you. I used to play on PC and quit because of trash like this and now on Xbox it's still the same. Chat moderation isn't any better since you log in and are immediatly spammed about a hundred times by gold sellers. An MMO that may as well lack a chat feature since no one will be able to read anything anyway. Even if you do get a message off it will say you violate guidelines even when you don't swear but oh the gold sellers aren't violating guidelines. Real great game guys. You've had how many years now to get it in working order? I guess company greed doesn't just go away though.
Im not enmasse/ tera fanboy so don't say i am cuz im defending them. You spend 100 bucks on lootboxes and expected to have some good drops yet it didn't happen. You are very disappointed and mad/angry because of bad RNG. You want to shout out that this is a scam and the enmasse/devs are greedy because you didn't get what you wanted with that amount of money you've spend.

Are the lootboxes considered gambling > The answer = No.

The ESRB's "official" statement says that they do not consider lootboxes to be gambling.

“ESRB does not consider loot boxes to be gambling. While there’s an element of chance in these mechanics, the player is always guaranteed to receive in-game content (even if the player unfortunately receives something they don’t want). We think of it as a similar principle to collectible card games: Sometimes you’ll open lootboxes and get a sweet item you’ve had your eye on for a while. But other times you’ll end up with a lootboxes of items you already have.”

This is a contentious statement to many. On the one side: you always get a reward. On the other side: you are paying money (or possibly time in the case of tera) for an uncertain chance of a desirable reward.

According to Dr. Luke Clark (director at the Center for Gambling Research at the University of British Columbia), this is called 'variable rate reinforcement' and said "The player is basically working for reward by making a series of responses, but the rewards are delivered unpredictably. We know that the dopamine system, which is targeted by drugs of abuse, is also very interested in unpredictable rewards. Dopamine cells are most active when there is maximum uncertainty, and the dopamine system responds more to an uncertain reward than the same reward delivered on a predictable basis."

The Chinese government has taken a fairly vocal stance on loot-boxes and has come out with new regulations requiring game publishers to list probability outcomes for all loot boxes. They pointed to studies that show addiction patterns in children similar to what we see with gambling addicts.

I, personally, can see both sides of this coin. If loot-boxes can be definitively be shown to cause adverse effects on children's developing minds by causing addiction or making them more susceptible to addiction or other disorders in the future, then perhaps games that have this aspect to them should be restricted to MA rating only.


Enmasse/BHS are not greedy. You're just unlucky.
Console General Discussion#3 nem3sis06/17/2018, 03:36 PM
Took exactly 40 boxes for me to get a black fortified and another of those fortified innerwears, a bit under 20 for my rainbow cloud and under 10 for cinderheart. In the end its all about rng, tera seems to like me, other lootbox based games on Xbox don't like me so much haha
Why not just get it for free from running the ghillieglade. Dunno why you guys are rushing to min max like itll do anything.

So you tried to buy a shortcut and it failed, thats your issue playing with money + rng
I bought 5 of 2 different lootboxes. from 1 of them i got the mount i wanted after 3rd try. The second 5 lootboxes i didn't get anything. Some people are lucky, and some are not.
I bought 5 of 2 different lootboxes. from 1 of them i got the mount i wanted after 3rd try. The second 5 lootboxes i didn't get anything. Some people are lucky, and some are not.

You are an idiot.
4GXAEECPYF wrote: »
I bought 5 of 2 different lootboxes. from 1 of them i got the mount i wanted after 3rd try. The second 5 lootboxes i didn't get anything. Some people are lucky, and some are not.

You are an idiot.

Tell me why im an idiot ? Is it perhaps i was lucky with 3rd try to get the mount i wanted from lootbox and didn't spend much money on lootboxes or is it because i wrote that some people are lucky and other are not?
If you disagree then you're either jealous or a fool, same to those who liked your post.

Console General Discussion#8 Emerose106/18/2018, 06:55 AM
I don’t think that spending money on the game makes you an idiot. It’s your choice and your money, you’re free to do what you want.
I’ve spent more money than I can count on this game by now and you know I have absolutely 0 regrets. It’s disposable income, same thing if I would have bought designer shoes. Not needed, just nice to have.
Console General Discussion#9 Xerses06/18/2018, 07:07 AM
Tell me why im an idiot ?


Enmasse/BHS are not greedy.

Xerses wrote: »
Tell me why im an idiot ?


Enmasse/BHS are not greedy.



2 different posts. I was right about you. You are stupid (lol)
Anyone who disagree about what i wrote see my first post "Enmasse/BHS are not greedy." Should not play any MMO on pc or console.
You spend money in the game on lootboxes in order to have a chance to get something good from it. If you're unlucky with RNG then stop buying lootboxes. If you dont then it's fine because it's your money, but don't come here whining and crying and say enmasse/bhs are greedy.
You want to to know why ?

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Console General Discussion#12 BobbyDigi06/18/2018, 08:25 AM
This is hilarious. Ff is 100% fanboi, always running to enmasse rescue. Loot boxes are 100% gambling, it’s a blatant scam with terrible odds. You are not unlucky your average for wasting a hundred bucks and getting nothing. Quit the game and find something else. 100 can get you any premium title out there, there is no way you should still be supporting this game. The support is not there, too many broken things to list, devs can’t do anything about it, due to the bluhole enmasse system. All the cosmetics are overpriced, and loot boxes and meant to drive you insane. They are banking on you losing and coming back for more, don’t do it quit or play free.
BobbyDigi wrote: »
This is hilarious. Ff is 100% fanboi, always running to enmasse rescue. Loot boxes are 100% gambling, it’s a blatant scam with terrible odds. You are not unlucky your average for wasting a hundred bucks and getting nothing. Quit the game and find something else. 100 can get you any premium title out there, there is no way you should still be supporting this game. The support is not there, too many broken things to list, devs can’t do anything about it, due to the bluhole enmasse system. All the cosmetics are overpriced, and loot boxes and meant to drive you insane. They are banking on you losing and coming back for more, don’t do it quit or play free.

As long you get something from a lootbox even it's an item that you don't want is not considered 100% gambling.
Playing a casino game and having a chance to win 1000 euro or lose 1000 euro is considered gambling.
Opening a lootbox that can have 1 item you want or get nothing from it is considered as gambling.
As long you get something from it, is not considered gambling.

I am a Final fantasy fanboy btw.
Console General Discussion#14 BobbyDigi06/18/2018, 09:23 AM
Yes but the loot boxes are hilariously broken. The items you do get are worth nothing. If you spend even 10$ on a title with this many problems you should get something of value not some bs 1/800 of the amount of things you need to have one attempt at adding 4 damage to you weapon. The off rewards are no existent. May as well be nothing. It’s like here this box may contain a cake, but all the other boxes are full with poo or bees, or a one cent candy if you have half luck.
Console General Discussion#15 BobbyDigi06/18/2018, 09:23 AM
Play ffxiv and stop supporting this game then.
Console General Discussion#16 ReiLover06/18/2018, 09:25 AM
I wonder how it is handled in Belgium. Do they still get the boxes?
Console General Discussion#17 elixir6606/18/2018, 03:51 PM
loot boxes suck, that being said there are other ways to get the same items such as people reselling the loot box items for standard in game gold... also there are other places to get inner armor besides the loot boxes so if you want to throw money for a small chance of an item that is all on you or you can spend the same or less money reselling non-rng bassed items on the AH to buy the items that are RNG bassed
Console General Discussion#18 nem3sis06/18/2018, 04:06 PM
About those innerwear thing, I know another place to get them and that's ghillie, still when going that route you're even prone to more rng than with the loot boxes imo bc you don't automatically get the inner you want/need from ghillie, right? Can be any form and any quality iirc.
Console General Discussion#19 Emerose106/18/2018, 04:10 PM
Even if it’s a green one from Ghillie, it’s still a guaranteed drop from the tokens.
Lootboxes are for your own risk as always, I got one really easily and then had no more luck for a lot of boxes to come.
Then I get 2 golden ones from Ghillie... so yeah you either pay money for a chance to get it instantly or grind for a few days to get guaranteed one.
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