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TERA PC - General Discussion: XIGNCODE DISCUSSION!
Hi everyone,

I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to get you a response to the initial topic for this thread... which is... as I see it... why XIGNCODE. I get it. It sucks. But cheating sucks more. No cheating fix is perfect, but we felt like we had to do something about it, and Wellbia, who are a reputable company who have been working on solving this sort of issue for numerous games (including TERA in other regions) was the best partner that we could find. They and we aren’t spying on you. We aren’t trying to steal your data (in fact, you’ll have just seen our updated privacy terms that we’re ensuring XIGNCODE complies with as well). We’re just trying to ensure that all battlegrounds and epic quests take place on a figurative level field.

I think that makes for a playing experience that is more fun. So, I’m behind this change because it's to improve everyone's experience overall. Our CS team is ready and willing to help you sort out any problems caused by this change so reach out if you need to.

I’m going to close this thread and ask that if you want to have a productive conversation about the situation at hand, I and my teammates are happy to talk, but where this thread is going, I’m not allowing this to go any further.

I look forward to hearing what you have to say.
Alright, so you say that this has been implemented to stop cheaters.. but there is 0 evidence anywhere on the internet that it does that. It literally does nothing to combat cheating, as anyone who can login to tera despite the dearth of errors xigncode is causing will attest. Xigncode is an unsuccessful disk-heavy performance drain on an already sluggish game, and anyone with evidence to the contrary is welcome to post it.
Could we also get a list of things that XIGNCODE interferes with, including but not limited to:

- key rebinders
- anti-virus
- other games being open at the same time

This would help us give our point to them succinctly and directly.
Could we also get a list of things that XIGNCODE interferes with, including but not limited to:

- key rebinders
- anti-virus
- other games being open at the same time

This would help us give our point to them succinctly and directly.

Please provide video evidence or screenshots if possible!
All i want here is TRANSPARENCY

First of all, why we weren't told of this change with enough time?
Why did we had to know it from a leak?
Why did EME only informed us about it after the leak and remained silent until the actual patch day?
What does xigncode actually gathers from our computers?
Where is this info stored? is it safe? can we expect our info to be secure and not be used for other purposes?
Why did EME decided to go along with xigncode even after the massive player respone against it and the fact that it DOES NOT do nothing at all against cheaters?
Zoknahal wrote: »
All i want here is TRANSPARENCY

1 First of all, why we weren't told of this change with enough time?
2 Why did we had to know it from a leak?
3 Why did EME only informed us about it after the leak and remained silent until the actual patch day?
4 What does xigncode actually gathers from our computers?
5 Where is this info stored? is it safe? can we expect our info to be secure and not be used for other purposes?
6 Why did EME decided to go along with xigncode even after the massive player respone against it and the fact that it DOES NOT do nothing at all against cheaters?
Numbered so I could answer more clearly, to the best of my knowledge
1) this sort of thing usually happens because eme doesn't know what bhs is putting in the next release. it's pretty standard!
2) it wasn't a leak, someone checked the official patch files (they're uploaded early for pre-downloading) and found xigncode in them
3) see 1.
4) It basically just creates a log file as it scans through trying to match programs with known cheats. Unfortunately, it does not know many cheats.
5) good questions!!!
6) because they're clueless, as they always have been and will be.
You know, I was only half following the original thread, and think what I got was, Xigncode = maybe malware. Now, if malware is a type of spyware, it doesn't help that the Xigncode icon has a guy with a spyglass or whatever that is, lol.
(dunno if repost,i was editing and suddenly everything vanished after i selected "post comment")

apparently eme staff cannot google

just by simply googling you can find a myriad of sites pointing towards 2 things

1-how to remove xign and its relatives/version

2-how useless it is

if you guys wanna stop botters or hackers look up to blizz's watcher program(i forgot the actual name) developed BY AND SOLELY THEM which actually only kills/not allows the game to start and warns the player that said program is not trustworthy and can be used to cheat AND JUST THAT (in my experience it happened with cheat engine cus i use it for personal projects and forgot it open,almost had a heart attack thinking i was banned)
or change your code lines and encrypt stuff

cus resorting to a random program(lets be honest,it a virus that will stay on your computer EVEN AFTER A CLEAN FORMAT) that shows on its "hello" screen that its copyright is from 2010 and not 2018(i can provide screen shot if you don't believe me) that sends info about the poor unaware player to god knows where without their knowledge and logs their keystrokes is just pathetic(no other words to use tbh) and lazy

also another point,said virus has been injected without anyone's knowledge and even if you pull the "muh forums" almost nobody checks here so either a launcher or tweet warning 1 or 2 weeks before would've done it(even then there would be a massive out cry which would server as a feedback of said action)
guys,think and tell your audience before doing anything,you'll get less headaches
Sorry, but the blatant lies in her response "was the best partner we could find" as though they really had any say, and "I and my teammates are happy to talk" when they've ignored the entire topic for over 2 days means Tera has already been uninstalled from my system and my children's systems. It was nice while it lasted. Hope you all have fun dealing with the bs. I will have fun saving cash and have already found something else to play. Tera was nothing more than a gold grind for me, and the cosmetics just aren't worth the hassle. If I wanted Korea to have direct access to my system, I would not have paid for anti-virus software to block hackers.

Considering that most cheat reports are totally ignored and people aren't banned unless they beg to be, I don't believe Tera cares much at all about cheaters. If they did, obvious cheaters would have been permanently banned long ago. They aren't and never will be, so sorry if I don't believe EME cares one bit about cheaters.

Since I know EME does not care about cheaters, this XIGNCODE must have another agenda. Seeing that EME is controlled by Bluehole, who just also happens to be in a war with Epic Games over Fortnite, I can only imagine the agenda is something not so great. They don't want to bother optimizing the game, but for some reason, they suddenly care about cheaters. No, I don't buy it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#9 Elinu106/08/2018, 03:04 AM
Could we also get a list of things that XIGNCODE interferes with, including but not limited to:

- key rebinders
- anti-virus
- other games being open at the same time

This would help us give our point to them succinctly and directly.

Does this mean that we can't multibox clients now? If so I am pretty annoyed I use a 2nd account to transfer names I have so I don't get sniped.
I'm reminded of "Hanlon's Razor":
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Sure, they could be evil and spying and selling info and all sorts of stuff.
Or... just some incompetent middle-manager made a decision, and that decision becomes company policy which employees must follow and cannot speak out against.
TERA PC - General Discussion#11 RKC06/08/2018, 03:12 AM
As of the moment It doesnt mess with my Razer synapse. Why would it WOW allows it why not tera hmmmmm.

Anyway if ever they do. I have no choice but to stop playing Tera. I have my reasons why I use macros.
Since XC can be bypassed VERY EASY... And you know, Proxys, Meters, Mods, and even CE working just like ever...
Is not better pay 3 or 4 progrmmers to make you a custom software?? Unknown for all, and then, not so easy to quit??
I think it will be even chaper than this XC.
TERA PC - General Discussion#13 voidy06/08/2018, 03:13 AM
What exactly was wrong about the last thread, so we can hopefully avoid it in this one? Because to me it just looks like people were finally describing their firsthand issues with xign and afterwards it got locked. I don't see why they can't just warn/erase bad posts instead of locking an entire contained thread, but whatever. It was getting too big anyway.

I don't want to implicate anyone but nearly everyone I've talked to about this on discord has said they're using a bypass. Meanwhile, the people I know who are using it either had issues logging in earlier today or have really bad performance issues which may or may not be attributed to the rootkit they downloaded that constantly scans all their stuff. I hope EME didn't waste too much money on this garbage.
TERA PC - General Discussion#14 Starkhoe06/08/2018, 03:15 AM
Omg so much BS in one reply, I don`t even know what to say to this lol I

They want a discussion? why don`t they start with showing some proof that this XIGNCODE is worth spit. I don`t care about software comparability issues because I don`t cheat. Show me something good that came out of this. Not in other games, in Tera. That would be a good place to start, wouldn't you say?

And another thing. This person said: "I think that makes for a playing experience that is more fun. So, I’m behind this change because it's to improve everyone's experience overall.". Oh really? more fun for who? why are you making it sound like you play the game? is that suppose to make you sound relatable? its not working and even I could vomit a better forced "response" then that. And whats with this "I look forward to hearing what you have to say" crap. No you`re not. If you really wanted to hear what people have to say you wouldn't have closed that thread, and you and your team would have taken turns in between coffee breaks to respond to people, instead of shutting them up. If this is the best reply you could have come up with, then honestly I think you should have simply closed that thread without saying anything. Wouldn't be the first time, i`ll bet.

I doubt anyone is buying this official pitch. And if someone does, I feel sorry for them. XIGNCODE is worthless. It causes more problems then it solves. No wait. Correction: it has to solve something before I can reference it. See id like to be nicer about this, i`m not usually this vulgar. But i`m sorry but you`re so called "improvement" is screwing me over, and i`ll bet i`m not the only one.
voidy wrote: »
What exactly was wrong about the last thread, so we can hopefully avoid it in this one? Because to me it just looks like people were finally describing their firsthand issues with xign and afterwards it got locked. I don't see why they can't just warn/erase bad posts instead of locking an entire contained thread, but whatever. It was getting too big anyway.

I don't want to implicate anyone but nearly everyone I've talked to about this on discord has said they're using a bypass. Meanwhile, the people I know who are using it either had issues logging in earlier today or have really bad performance issues which may or may not be attributed to the rootkit they downloaded that constantly scans all their stuff. I hope EME didn't waste too much money on this garbage.

I'm guessing they locked it right before leaving for the day so they can have the excuse "we weren't in the office!" for all the rest of the posts, personally. But I've always been a cynic.
TERA PC - General Discussion#16 buffons06/08/2018, 03:18 AM
I like the last part where they say "I look forward to hearing what you have to say." then immediately closes the thread lol. Classic EME really has become a mEME. You would have to be extremely naive or just lying to yourself if you still believe them after all the evidence to refute the points of that post, plus all of EME's incompetence, lack of transparency and shady practices.
Is not better pay 3 or 4 progrmmers to make you a custom software?? Unknown for all, and then, not so easy to quit??
I think it will be even chaper than this XC.

For this kind of software, it's probably not because maintaining compatibility with various Windows and other software updates is a giant pain, and doing anything like this in a secure way is really hard. (And for something like anti-cheat software, as we see clearly, you're basically painting a giant target on your back.) There's already enough consternation about how reputable XIGNCODE is (partly because their English presence isn't very good, and they're not known to be effective for this game), but doing it "in-house" is an even higher risk. It's better to pass that risk onto another company who makes that their entire focus and mission (which, for all its flaws, this company does for a very large number of Korean games). At the end of the day, as far as reputation goes, being able to say they were part of the world's biggest videogame of 2017 is not insignificant for them and their reputation (nor for BHS, obviously), but clearly they need more work and focus to accomplish anything useful with TERA.
Is not better pay 3 or 4 progrmmers to make you a custom software?? Unknown for all, and then, not so easy to quit??
I think it will be even chaper than this XC.

For this kind of software, it's probably not because maintaining compatibility with various Windows and other software updates is a giant pain, and doing anything like this in a secure way is really hard. (And for something like anti-cheat software, as we see clearly, you're basically painting a giant target on your back.) There's already enough consternation about how reputable XIGNCODE is (partly because their English presence isn't very good, and they're not known to be effective for this game), but doing it "in-house" is an even higher risk. It's better to pass that risk onto another company who makes that their entire focus and mission (which, for all its flaws, this company does for a very large number of Korean games). At the end of the day, as far as reputation goes, being able to say they were part of the world's biggest videogame of 2017 is not insignificant for them and their reputation (nor for BHS, obviously), but clearly they need more work and focus to accomplish anything useful with TERA.

Your wording here is not quite right in my opinion. For instance you say "Is not known to work for this game" where you mean "is known not to work for this game" small difference, big meaning. Also, it's not really a good thing to say you're the body guard of a guy who has been repeatedly shot. XIGNCODE has proven to be ineffective and buggy on every single game it's been deployed on, so I don't really see how being deployed lots of places is a plus, since it has not worked in any of them.

The real solution to the problem of cheating in TERA is to improve the server-side code and make most of the [filtered] cheats people use not possible, as they wouldn't be in a properly coded game.
Is not better pay 3 or 4 progrmmers to make you a custom software?? Unknown for all, and then, not so easy to quit??
I think it will be even chaper than this XC.

For this kind of software, it's probably not because maintaining compatibility with various Windows and other software updates is a giant pain, and doing anything like this in a secure way is really hard. (And for something like anti-cheat software, as we see clearly, you're basically painting a giant target on your back.) There's already enough consternation about how reputable XIGNCODE is (partly because their English presence isn't very good, and they're not known to be effective for this game), but doing it "in-house" is an even higher risk. It's better to pass that risk onto another company who makes that their entire focus and mission (which, for all its flaws, this company does for a very large number of Korean games). At the end of the day, as far as reputation goes, being able to say they were part of the world's biggest videogame of 2017 is not insignificant for them and their reputation (nor for BHS, obviously), but clearly they need more work and focus to accomplish anything useful with TERA.

Your wording here is not quite right in my opinion. For instance you say "Is not known to work for this game" where you mean "is known not to work for this game" small difference, big meaning. Also, it's not really a good thing to say you're the body guard of a guy who has been repeatedly shot. XIGNCODE has proven to be ineffective and buggy on every single game it's been deployed on, so I don't really see how being deployed lots of places is a plus, since it has not worked in any of them.

The only reason for the former wording is because, as I've said before, whether this can be effective depends entirely on how much of a focus they make on fighting this battle. There are ways of implementing this software that, at least, make it much more of a giant pain in the [filtered] for those programming bypasses, and in other games have driven some of the bypasses further underground to delay being caught and stopped. But it really depends on the tenacity and investment of the developers to constantly fight. So far, clearly, BHS has not been that diligent in this matter on any front, such as...
The real solution to the problem of cheating in TERA is to improve the server-side code and make most of the [filtered] cheats people use not possible, as they wouldn't be in a properly coded game.
Well, yeah, obviously. Pretty much everyone has relayed this message to EME ad nauseum. There's no doubt whatsoever that this is really what BHS needs to do above anything else, and this software is at best a tangent in that process.
Is not better pay 3 or 4 progrmmers to make you a custom software?? Unknown for all, and then, not so easy to quit??
I think it will be even chaper than this XC.

For this kind of software, it's probably not because maintaining compatibility with various Windows and other software updates is a giant pain, and doing anything like this in a secure way is really hard. (And for something like anti-cheat software, as we see clearly, you're basically painting a giant target on your back.) There's already enough consternation about how reputable XIGNCODE is (partly because their English presence isn't very good, and they're not known to be effective for this game), but doing it "in-house" is an even higher risk. It's better to pass that risk onto another company who makes that their entire focus and mission (which, for all its flaws, this company does for a very large number of Korean games). At the end of the day, as far as reputation goes, being able to say they were part of the world's biggest videogame of 2017 is not insignificant for them and their reputation (nor for BHS, obviously), but clearly they need more work and focus to accomplish anything useful with TERA.

Your wording here is not quite right in my opinion. For instance you say "Is not known to work for this game" where you mean "is known not to work for this game" small difference, big meaning. Also, it's not really a good thing to say you're the body guard of a guy who has been repeatedly shot. XIGNCODE has proven to be ineffective and buggy on every single game it's been deployed on, so I don't really see how being deployed lots of places is a plus, since it has not worked in any of them.

The only reason for the former wording is because, as I've said before, whether this can be effective depends entirely on how much of a focus they make on fighting this battle. There are ways of implementing this software that, at least, make it much more of a giant pain in the [filtered] for those programming bypasses, and in other games have driven some of the bypasses further underground to delay being caught and stopped. But it really depends on the tenacity and investment of the developers to constantly fight. So far, clearly, BHS has not been that diligent in this matter on any front, such as...
The real solution to the problem of cheating in TERA is to improve the server-side code and make most of the [filtered] cheats people use not possible, as they wouldn't be in a properly coded game.
Well, yeah, obviously. Pretty much everyone has relayed this message to EME ad nauseum. There's no doubt whatsoever that this is really what BHS needs to do above anything else, and this software is at best a tangent in that process.

The way xigncode is built, it would not even detect the 2 most popular third party programs even with no bypass whatsoever. They're deploying a water pistol to fight a thunderstorm. It makes no sense, no matter how you want to spin it, which is why people are paranoid about this being a data-mining scam. They deployed a tool that does not have the capability to do what they claim it does which is easily disabled. As far as I can tell, the majority of legitimate players yesterday have started playing illegitimately today because of problems surrounding xigncode.. I just don't understand how any company could be so dense as to think this is a reasonable course of action.
I just don't understand how any company could be so dense as to think this is a reasonable course of action.
And again, just for the sake of the discussion (which is my only point here, not trying to "spin" anything -- I've said all along that it's, at best, pointless), I don't think they're "so dense as to think it's reasonable." I think they're just convinced, based on the fact it's on all their other games and in many other TERA regions, that it's not unreasonable as a baseline, checklist feature to have. Clearly, that "non-logic" is not going to convince anyone, but it only had to convince them for it to be implemented. We have a voice, but not a veto.
TERA PC - General Discussion#22 voidy06/08/2018, 03:59 AM
The only reason for the former wording is because, as I've said before, whether this can be effective depends entirely on how much of a focus they make on fighting this battle. There are ways of implementing this software that, at least, make it much more of a giant pain in the [filtered] for those programming bypasses, and in other games have driven some of the bypasses further underground to delay being caught and stopped (requiring more, slightly more tedious rework). But it really depends on the tenacity and investment of the developers to constantly fight. So far, clearly, BHS has not been that diligent in this matter on any front ...

In that case, I don't think ANY developer has been "diligent" in that matter; I've yet to see a game running XIGNCODE that didn't still have Chinese gold farm bots, hackers, cheaters, and dozens of exploits. In the world of anti-cheat software, xign is gutter-trash tier. The absolute worst. Given zero notice, NA players came up with multiple ways to bypass it on the same day it was announced. In korea it didn't even take them that long. Heck, the device used to cheat in this game is unaffected by it even if you don't bypass the software at all, that's how bad it is. In BDO, where it's also used, people bypass it every day and the issues are rampant. In BnS it was the same. How many times, and across how many games, does xign have to fail before we can just stop pretending there's a possibility for it to be good if the publisher/developer "tries harder"? And now players are going to waste time submitting videos and photographic evidence to prove what anyone who plays korean mmos has known for years: that xign is a total waste of a publisher's money.

Legit, xigncode doesn't even stop cheatengine from running. IT HAS CHEAT IN THE NAME M8 :lol:
um, I think they said to talk to CS if you have a problem? anyway I do know a few Guild members who get disconnected more then a few times already today, so I seems to only affect a few people but not all. o: Then there is the random in global who says they have a lot of lag XD
TERA PC - General Discussion#24 Christin06/08/2018, 04:21 AM
RKC wrote: »
As of the moment It doesnt mess with my Razer synapse. Why would it WOW allows it why not tera hmmmmm.

Anyway if ever they do. I have no choice but to stop playing Tera. I have my reasons why I use macros.

So it doesn't even stop people from using macros then? Why do you need macros?

So already it doesn't stop one of the things it says it stops.
Well the argument is too short to be noticed and mEME is still figuring out how to play their own game
Is not better pay 3 or 4 progrmmers to make you a custom software?? Unknown for all, and then, not so easy to quit??
I think it will be even chaper than this XC.

For this kind of software, it's probably not because maintaining compatibility with various Windows and other software updates is a giant pain, and doing anything like this in a secure way is really hard. (And for something like anti-cheat software, as we see clearly, you're basically painting a giant target on your back.) There's already enough consternation about how reputable XIGNCODE is (partly because their English presence isn't very good, and they're not known to be effective for this game), but doing it "in-house" is an even higher risk. It's better to pass that risk onto another company who makes that their entire focus and mission (which, for all its flaws, this company does for a very large number of Korean games). At the end of the day, as far as reputation goes, being able to say they were part of the world's biggest videogame of 2017 is not insignificant for them and their reputation (nor for BHS, obviously), but clearly they need more work and focus to accomplish anything useful with TERA.

Your wording here is not quite right in my opinion. For instance you say "Is not known to work for this game" where you mean "is known not to work for this game" small difference, big meaning. Also, it's not really a good thing to say you're the body guard of a guy who has been repeatedly shot. XIGNCODE has proven to be ineffective and buggy on every single game it's been deployed on, so I don't really see how being deployed lots of places is a plus, since it has not worked in any of them.

The real solution to the problem of cheating in TERA is to improve the server-side code and make most of the [filtered] cheats people use not possible, as they wouldn't be in a properly coded game.

people will always find a way around even the best defence provided there is an incentive.
the real solution to the problem of cheating is to remove the incentive to cheat.
for example, most people don't cheat in offline games because you would only be harming your own experience.
unfortunately, this is much harder in an MMO... I can sort of see how it could be done, but it would require a completely different reward system.
voidy wrote: »
How many times, and across how many games, does xign have to fail before we can just stop pretending there's a possibility for it to be good if the publisher/developer "tries harder"? And now players are going to waste time submitting videos and photographic evidence to prove what anyone who plays korean mmos has known for years: that xign is a total waste of a publisher's money.

Again, for the sake of the argument, if it's so true that 1) the software is so laughably trivial to bypass (and "everybody's doing it"), and 2) that it's completely ineffectual and (by design) can't possibly negatively impact anything "evil" any player might want to do anyway, then it raises the question: what are people so mad about? Amidst all this, I think that's the point that has to resonate clearly with EME. If it's only "people shouldn't have to do this to play the game" and "it's a stupid decision that makes no sense," I don't imagine that'll change much at this point (again, given that they've already done this in all their other games anyway; stupid or not, they're all in now).

Some clear points for me, anyway:
1. This should have been more clearly communicated and sooner than it was. The fact this wasn't done contributed to the fear and uncertainty about the change.
2. Adding this software doesn't in any way absolve BHS of the need to actually solve the exploits in the server code and to fix all the myriad "never trust the client"-related lapses. Without an absolute and promptly-actioned commitment to this, all other efforts will fail.
3. EME needs to take more concerted action to address cheaters, exploiters, and bots via moderation and human intervention, and this software doesn't absolve them of any of that responsibility either.

In general, stupidity of this situation notwithstanding, I know there are at least some people at EME who do actually care about this game and want to make it better (if no one has that goal, there's nothing to discuss), and if they have that a goal, the above kinds of points are important.
TERA PC - General Discussion#28 Laemie06/08/2018, 04:34 AM
Hey all.
A guildie of mine is havin an issue with this xigncode thingy.
So shes playing Tera on a Mac and shes using nvidia geforce cloud thingy to play. With this Xigncode, its not allowed anymore and she can nolonger play. Any of you using the same thing and having any solutions?

Shes a new player, shes been playin a few months and she really loves the game. Never heard a complain ever, would be really sad if theres no fix for her.

Was to make a new thread but well, figured i'd just put this here.
Laemie wrote: »
So shes playing Tera on a Mac and shes using nvidia geforce cloud thingy to play. With this Xigncode, its not allowed anymore and she can nolonger play. Any of you using the same thing and having any solutions?

I recommend she contact EME in a ticket about this situation. This is something they may have to work with Nvidia to solve, but it's something they clearly have done before since PUBG is working there. Likely either EME or Nvidia has to change some options on their end to make this work again.
All I know is that Tera now takes an actual 14 minutes to load in to the game now since the patch this morning. Absolutely ridiculous. It also did virtually nothing. Still saw people posting DPS meters in pug groups, still see gold spammers in chat. Still saw botters on twangi gaurdian quest. This did nothing but slow down tera load times, cause my mouse intermittently stop detecting, cause more random memory crashes and disconnects and [filtered] me off. Get this bull crap the hell off my pc. You. [filtered]. up.
TERA PC - General Discussion#31 voidy06/08/2018, 05:08 AM
Again, for the sake of the argument, if it's so true that 1) the software is so laughably trivial to bypass (and "everybody's doing it"), and 2) that it's completely ineffectual and (by design) can't possibly negatively impact anything "evil" any player might want to do anyway, then it raises the question: what are people so mad about?

And to me the answer seems fairly obvious. Because the company running this software is sketchy as heck and they tried to stealth-drop their nasty malware-tier "security" onto us with no notice. If, for argument's sake, I were someone who was bypassing xigncode, I would still be upset about it because:
1. It forces me to choose between quitting the game or playing the game using third party tools if I don't want sketchy garbage (that doesn't even do its job) installed on my pc.
2. Despite massive community outcry against it and solid proof that it doesn't even work, EME went ahead with it anyway and didn't even communicate it until someone found out, and only communicated again on the issue to close a thread about it.
3. Already we're getting people who can't log in, or who crash constantly. My guild's been dead this afternoon, on a content release date. It's never been dead on a content release date. Even if, for argument's sake, I weren't affected by xigncode, I wouldn't want to play in a community that either left the game when presented with the options seen in #1, or who couldn't log in at all because they were running minecraft in the background or something. I certainly wouldn't want to dungeon with people who can't react because they're getting performance issues whenever xigncode decides to scan something on top of this poorly optimized bloated mmo. And I wouldn't want to waste time explaining the bypass method to dozens of people every time I log in, but I'd sure be tempted if it appeared to be affecting performance, which it has. For argument's sake, of course.

From a practical standpoint, the hypothetical bypasser has to deal with a community affected by EME/BHS's poor management of xigncode, which is itself complete trash. I'm already pissed because even though my PC is a beast and runs decently no matter what, I've already had runs where I've wasted tons of consumables waiting around while we wiped and wiped and wiped and then waited while people relogged and relogged and relogged because their games were performing like shite after every boss, and all after this update. If you want to say that's a coincidence, fine, but come on. In addition to the practical issue of not being able to enjoy team play when most of the team is having performance issues now, the communication was extremely poor, the software itself is proven trash across multiple games, and players had 45 pages to show why they were upset and didn't want this garbage before a mod predictably locked the thread. If the question is nagging at you so much, I suppose you could always peruse through it again?
Great, now me secondary ssd isn't detecting. it's 2 months old. [filtered] off EME. you know damn well this peice of crap software doesn't prevent cheating in anyway. you've actually made it WORSE. It's so ridiculously easy to by pass, that in 4 of the 5 discords for the game I'm on they all have bypassed it. Hell just googling xigncod3 gives 10 pages of results on how to bypass or remove it. I'd rather deal with the cheaters then have my pc brick and freeze constantly. I know perhaps others aren't having as many problems as me, but the hard drive tera is installed on in my pc is now no longer detecting after this mornings patch and having played for 10 minutes. guess I'm going to have fun tonight fixing this crap.
TERA PC - General Discussion#33 ChrisL06/08/2018, 05:10 AM
Just got back on for the weekend after work and read on discord about the changes and problematic forced downloaded client,i was in the middle of patching to about 40% before i closed it remembering about the Xigncode and was wondering where you would look too see if it was downloaded or installed?(is it in the tera files,can i just uninstall tera and all will be well,i have not completed the patch or launched the game yet) i am by far no computer wiz but when i see something that does exactly what a virus does,that is how it should be treated and i have no interest in one game screwing me over in the other games i enjoy playing.
Let me iterate on @Zoknahal 's question real quick...
We aren’t trying to steal your data (in fact, you’ll have just seen our updated privacy terms that we’re ensuring XIGNCODE complies with as well).

So that is to say Wellbia are bind to the new "GRPD" or "GPRD" (Sorry I don't know the words again...) policies, so they aren't going to spy our PC's

And as I told you guys and I will repeat again, after I thoroughly checked my PC for a file called xhunter1.sys and on the registry, I seems to not find any file that's called xhunter1.sys which means they can't and will not spy on our PC's
update: after I used a partition viewer to remove the tera folder and reboot the ssd detects again, but the second I open tera with the xigncod3 thing, it gets half way through loading the xigncod3 bar and suddenly it stops detecting again. Wtf?
Xigncode3 seems quite troublesome. Some players were happily playing TERA on non-windows operating systems before, but found their setup broken due to xigncode3.
TERA PC - General Discussion#37 Minazuki06/08/2018, 05:19 AM
Search online some said xigncode safe, yet some said it not... I just want to know if it safe or not cause I do not want get in risk.
@TrialMacameau
it's (all?) installed in TERA\Client\Binaries\XIGNCODE

(someone correct me if I am wrong)
I did not see anything installed anywhere other then the TERA folder.

C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys is not present
Minazuki wrote: »
Search online some said xigncode safe, yet some said it not... I just want to know if it safe or not cause I do not want get in risk.

I'd say no, as it has causes issues with hard drive detection for me, memory errors. etc. all runs fine till I start tera then i get problems.
TERA PC - General Discussion#40 ChrisL06/08/2018, 05:24 AM
@TrialMacameau
it's (all?) installed in TERA\Client\Binaries\XIGNCODE

(someone correct me if I am wrong)
I did not see anything installed anywhere other then the TERA folder.

C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys is not present

Okay thanks,awesome enough i think i stopped it early so no signs of it
Minazuki wrote: »
Search online some said xigncode safe, yet some said it not... I just want to know if it safe or not cause I do not want get in risk.

Exactly why i am not trying my luck, Tera may be one of the more enjoyable games for me,but somehow it just keeps trying to push people away from it,so ill take my leave and pick up tera on console until it goes to hell on there =)
@TrialMacameau
it's (all?) installed in TERA\Client\Binaries\XIGNCODE

(someone correct me if I am wrong)
I did not see anything installed anywhere other then the TERA folder.

C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys is not present

In some game like BDO for example, some are stained with that xhunter1.sys

And no you're not wrong all the core XIGNCODE is on that folder you mentioned
I just want you to know EME, that I have been an elite subscriber non-stop since the beginning of 2015 (when the $10 a month elite subscription was offered)... and because of this malware program, on top of all the other awful changes that have bee made to this lovely game (and its store) over the last year, I am likely going to cancel my subscription in the next day or two unless you get rid of this XIGN malware.
TERA PC - General Discussion#43 Minazuki06/08/2018, 05:37 AM
@TrialMacameau
it's (all?) installed in TERA\Client\Binaries\XIGNCODE

(someone correct me if I am wrong)
I did not see anything installed anywhere other then the TERA folder.

C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys is not present

C:\windows/xhunter1.sys is present for me probably i ran Tera after update?
name: xhunter1.sys
date modified: 5/9/2017 21:40
type: system file
size: 36kb
also u can find it in regedit
Minazuki wrote: »
@TrialMacameau
it's (all?) installed in TERA\Client\Binaries\XIGNCODE

(someone correct me if I am wrong)
I did not see anything installed anywhere other then the TERA folder.

C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys is not present

C:\windows/xhunter1.sys is present for me probably i ran Tera after update?
name: xhunter1.sys
date modified: 5/9/2017 21:40
type: system file
size: 36kb
also u can find it in regedit

have you ever had BDO installed on your computer?
I think there are other games which install the same file.
TERA PC - General Discussion#45 Vasy86le06/08/2018, 05:52 AM
Xigncode is useless, if you want to stop cheaters, do something serious about that, not this old and bad anticheat, but if i think better, i think BHS don`t want to stop cheaters.
TERA PC - General Discussion#46 Minazuki06/08/2018, 05:53 AM
Minazuki wrote: »
@TrialMacameau
it's (all?) installed in TERA\Client\Binaries\XIGNCODE

(someone correct me if I am wrong)
I did not see anything installed anywhere other then the TERA folder.

C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys is not present

C:\windows/xhunter1.sys is present for me probably i ran Tera after update?
name: xhunter1.sys
date modified: 5/9/2017 21:40
type: system file
size: 36kb
also u can find it in regedit

have you ever had BDO installed on your computer?
I think there are other games which install the same file.

No, I dont play BDO and I know my other games dont use xigncode.
voidy wrote: »
I'm already pissed because even though my PC is a beast and runs decently no matter what, I've already had runs where I've wasted tons of consumables waiting around while we wiped and wiped and wiped and then waited while people relogged and relogged and relogged because their games were performing like shite after every boss, and all after this update. If you want to say that's a coincidence, fine, but come on.

It's not a coincidence, but it's actually an unrelated (but equally stupid/frustrating) reason. The equivalent patch in K-TERA had the same performance bug with dungeons, and it was patched in a later K-TERA patch. As often happens, when they gave us this build, they gave us the same bug without backporting the fix. Which is frustrating as hell, but as it turns out, is for a different (arguably more stupid) reason.
TERA PC - General Discussion#48 voidy06/08/2018, 06:05 AM
ChrisL wrote: »
was wondering where you would look too see if it was downloaded or installed?
Try this:
Hit the windows key + R to open the run window. Type 'regedit' without the quotes. The registry editor window will open. Be very careful in here.
On the left in this window, there'll be a few folders. Click where it says HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE.
That'll open a new set of folders. In there, click where it says SYSTEM.
That'll open another set of folders. In there, click CurrentControlSet.
From there, click Services.
In this folder, you're going to scroll to the bottom until you find a file marked xhunter1. That is xigncode's, and it's how you'll know if it's on your PC or not. When I uninstalled BDO, I had to manually delete this because it would not remove itself upon uninstall.

For a quicker reference of the file directory: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\xhunter1
https://steamcommunity.com/app/582660/discussions/0/1290691308571849109/#c1290691308571902026
^ source for this info, did it myself a while back. If it doesn't appear, then it's as counterpoint said and this version will not make itself known even here in the registry files, which is troublesome and quite unusual. I'd try it now but I'm not home.


TERA PC - General Discussion#49 Minazuki06/08/2018, 06:39 AM
Minazuki wrote: »
Minazuki wrote: »
@TrialMacameau
it's (all?) installed in TERA\Client\Binaries\XIGNCODE

(someone correct me if I am wrong)
I did not see anything installed anywhere other then the TERA folder.

C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys is not present

C:\windows/xhunter1.sys is present for me probably i ran Tera after update?
name: xhunter1.sys
date modified: 5/9/2017 21:40
type: system file
size: 36kb
also u can find it in regedit

have you ever had BDO installed on your computer?
I think there are other games which install the same file.

No, I dont play BDO and I know my other games dont use xigncode.

That file date is when it installed itself, so whatever game put it there, it happened a little over a year ago (assuming that's US time format).

I've also noticed that TERA's implementation, for whatever reason, doesn't seem to put a file there. (But other games like BnS and Black Desert do.)


I think I found the game used xhunter1.sys before... Dragon Nest = = which i quitted so i didnt notice it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#50 Xerses06/08/2018, 07:12 AM
Had this really long response written out comparing Wellbia to other anti cheat programs like Battleye and how they all send files from your IP to a master server and permanently store them and how social engineering is involved both positively and negatively. I did research on how everything works with these anti cheat programs and how bad it potentially can affect your pc and had all these screenshots and links ready to post. I had screenshots and links to errors of xigncode, had links of how easily it's "bypassed" and how useless it is. I did research on how other games are manipulated and what those companies do to combat cheating and compared those major companies like Blizzard and blah blah blah. But who cares, what's done is done.

Even though the game also used Unreal Engine 3 and was poorly optimized I was looking forward to playing A:IR. It looked fun as hell. After this, no bueno. I really don't want to bash BHS, I've loved their game for years. But this seems like a lazy, cowardly, egotistical, not to mention temporary. resolution to a permanent.
Hi everyone,

I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to get you a response to the initial topic for this thread... which is... as I see it... why XIGNCODE. I get it. It sucks. But cheating sucks more. No cheating fix is perfect, but we felt like we had to do something about it, and Wellbia, who are a reputable company who have been working on solving this sort of issue for numerous games (including TERA in other regions) was the best partner that we could find. They and we aren’t spying on you. We aren’t trying to steal your data (in fact, you’ll have just seen our updated privacy terms that we’re ensuring XIGNCODE complies with as well). We’re just trying to ensure that all battlegrounds and epic quests take place on a figurative level field.

I think that makes for a playing experience that is more fun. So, I’m behind this change because it's to improve everyone's experience overall. Our CS team is ready and willing to help you sort out any problems caused by this change so reach out if you need to.

I’m going to close this thread and ask that if you want to have a productive conversation about the situation at hand, I and my teammates are happy to talk, but where this thread is going, I’m not allowing this to go any further.

I look forward to hearing what you have to say.

And then there's this....

KitTeaCup is probably new here at EME, they joined in April, plays on Fey Forest. They probably have not invested as much time throughout their life as we have on Tera. I doubt they understand why the community took it upon themselves to implement the proxy as a fix to some of the optimization issues this game presents. It sucks. Cheating sucks more. Investing so many hours and thousands of dollars into a game without seeing any real support or improvements sucks even more than cheating. And for the 100th time all this issue does is bring more light to the third party programs, shooting your own self in the foot as a company. The proxy devs even tried to colab with EME to fix the memeslash exploit but were ignored and or banned. That kinda goes to show that they weren't entirely out to break the game and just wanted the game to be improved as well. But blah blah blah no one cares, EME ego too big, BHS ego too big, ban me idc I've uninstalled one less tank in game, one less salty forum troll.

For the record I'm not salty about KitTeaCup, they're only doing their job. Just wish more people at EME would do their job more often. Counterpoint over here doing community service for EME while they hide in their safe spaces. Give that man a salary.
Xerses wrote: »
Had this really long response written out comparing Wellbia to other anti cheat programs like Battleye and how they all send files from your IP to a master server and permanently store them and how social engineering is involved both positively and negatively. I did research on how everything works with these anti cheat programs and how bad it potentially can affect your pc and had all these screenshots and links ready to post. I had screenshots and links to errors of xigncode, had links of how easily it's "bypassed" and how useless it is. I did research on how other games are manipulated and what those companies do to combat cheating and compared those major companies like Blizzard and blah blah blah. But who cares, what's done is done.
Out of a desire to have a constructive debate/discussion on this topic... If you actually did all this work, please just post it and open it up to scrutiny, rather than insinuating all this scary stuff ("send your files to a master server permanently!", "social engineering!", "bad consequences to your pc!") and then saying "I have all this carefully-researched evidence, but I'm not going to tell you because it doesn't matter." If any of those things were actually as true as you imply, it matters a lot to everyone who plays TERA (and the tens of millions that play other games that use this same tool). Regardless of whatever impact this has on EME's decision for TERA, these threads will obviously be indexed by search engines, and others can use your research to further the conversation, and perhaps influence other companies.

I am obviously skeptical of these insinuations because of how widely tools like this are used and the major consequences if any of these "facts" came to light. But if the evidence is there, and you've already put it together anyway, let's have it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#52 Mogly06/08/2018, 08:12 AM
I mean, all of those quitting NA over Xingcode could just go to the EU version and use said 3rd Party programs to get an acceptable ping.

They wont get Xing, as it directly conflicts with European general law.
TERA PC - General Discussion#53 ReChoa06/08/2018, 08:14 AM
Mogly wrote: »
I mean, all of those quitting NA over Xingcode could just go to the EU version and use said 3rd Party programs to get an acceptable ping.

They wont get Xing, as it directly conflicts with European general law.

The issue with that is, no one wants to start all over from scratch, that's just annoying as [filtered] and turns you off from a game.
Mogly wrote: »
They wont get Xing, as it directly conflicts with European general law.
As explained in another thread, it doesn't necessarily conflict with the law. There are a number of games in EU (like Black Desert, Blade and Soul, EME's Closers, etc.) that do use that program. Gameforge may still decide not to go that path, of course.
TERA PC - General Discussion#55 Christin06/08/2018, 09:15 AM
Mogly wrote: »
They wont get Xing, as it directly conflicts with European general law.
As explained in another thread, it doesn't necessarily conflict with the law. There are a number of games in EU (like Black Desert, Blade and Soul, EME's Closers, etc.) that do use that program. Gameforge may still decide not to go that path, of course.

All Korean based games that don't need to follow European law. Sure, they may update their terms to add in a bunch of garbage, but they don't have to follow any of it. You're just being ignorant and silly and pointing to stuff that you know can be ignored.
Laemie wrote: »
So shes playing Tera on a Mac and shes using nvidia geforce cloud thingy to play. With this Xigncode, its not allowed anymore and she can nolonger play. Any of you using the same thing and having any solutions?

I recommend she contact EME in a ticket about this situation. This is something they may have to work with Nvidia to solve, but it's something they clearly have done before since PUBG is working there. Likely either EME or Nvidia has to change some options on their end to make this work again.

Why even give people hope and tell them to contact support? Do you think support is going to suddenly change the code to allow this cloud? Give it up already.
Ive been back playing this game for around like 45 days after a few years break and this whole situation just seems weird. This program was put in to stop bots? Ive been playing a lot, leveling quite a few characters, and even did extensive farming during the BAM event recently. Going thru all the channels etc I did not see one bot and after playing mmos for many years I can spot them pretty easy...The only thing Ive seen is gold sellers in chat spamming, but this program wouldnt even stop that. Unless I'm missing something they seem to be using one of the many other ways to get gold to sell besides botting. So what is this program in Tera for?
Dercas723 wrote: »
So what is this program in Tera for?

According to EME
I think that makes for a playing experience that is more fun.
It's just there for fun. ;)
Christin wrote: »
Mogly wrote: »
They wont get Xing, as it directly conflicts with European general law.
As explained in another thread, it doesn't necessarily conflict with the law. There are a number of games in EU (like Black Desert, Blade and Soul, EME's Closers, etc.) that do use that program. Gameforge may still decide not to go that path, of course.

All Korean based games that don't need to follow European law. Sure, they may update their terms to add in a bunch of garbage, but they don't have to follow any of it. You're just being ignorant and silly and pointing to stuff that you know can be ignored.
Uhh, I'm talking about the EU-published versions of those games, and they absolutely need to comply with EU law. EME also needs to comply with EU law as long as they offer products to EU natural persons (which they certainly do with games like Closers). It's absolutely applicable. That's why Gravity Interactive, who also publishes Korean games, completely pulled out of EU last month (in fear that they couldn't comply with GDPR). They wouldn't have done that if "they don't have to follow any of it." Pretending they don't have to comply with the law just because they're "Korean based games" would definitely make it illegal in the EU.

Christin wrote: »
Laemie wrote: »
So shes playing Tera on a Mac and shes using nvidia geforce cloud thingy to play. With this Xigncode, its not allowed anymore and she can nolonger play. Any of you using the same thing and having any solutions?

I recommend she contact EME in a ticket about this situation. This is something they may have to work with Nvidia to solve, but it's something they clearly have done before since PUBG is working there. Likely either EME or Nvidia has to change some options on their end to make this work again.

Why even give people hope and tell them to contact support? Do you think support is going to suddenly change the code to allow this cloud? Give it up already.
They certainly have proven they can. PUBG is also made by BHS, supported by EME, uses XIGNCODE3, and is one of the featured games on GeForce Now (the very cloud service that's being referred to). So... yes? It's certainly at least worth asking.
For the past 5 years i've been a hard core Tera fan.... till now....I can only say due to this XIGNCODE3 that causes lag and slows me that I have a 70% chance of quitting Tera unless they remove XIGNCODE3 or fix it ..... so saddd but there are other games...

Vote with your feet they say ( and my wallet too)!
TERA PC - General Discussion#60 kubitoid06/08/2018, 10:33 AM
jokes aside my 3 kopeks in da buket..
me latest experience with xigncode was playing c9 mmo last year. many times there were famous errors ''suspicious program detected'' and i remember once when i got this error again i sent log file to wellbia support and bot answered that it was some dll xigncode found suspicious. i browsed folders and it turned out to be foobar2000 plugin lol. so be prepared for random false detections <3

also..
with this xigncode...
- no multi-client (for swap gold/items between chars w/o guild bank)
- no gpk mods (aka removing idiotic combo counter, alternative party/skill icons, diff boss bar, sorc/reaper/ninja skill effects tweaks for better performance in dung, ini tweaks etc etc etc, elin decensor ofc ffs)
- ....
- profit???

worth a hassle to apply bypass? it means to install another shady software on top of already shady xigncode... idk..
was planning to return to tera bit further into summer but this xign news plus that ridiculous tera store daily deal most likely had put en end to my tera journey :s :s :s

lol <3 <3 <3
well... more free time for grim dawn and watching anime i guess
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Hi everyone,

I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to get you a response to the initial topic for this thread... which is... as I see it... why XIGNCODE. I get it. It sucks. But cheating sucks more. No cheating fix is perfect, but we felt like we had to do something about it, and Wellbia, who are a reputable company who have been working on solving this sort of issue for numerous games (including TERA in other regions) was the best partner that we could find.

I totally understand the desire that BHS and EME would have for implementing some sort of anti-cheat system. The last two years has been pretty rough for NA TERA in relation to family of third party programs.

Here's the problem: Xigncode has been implemented by Nexon (Korea) and pmang (Japan) in their TERA builds for a couple of years now. In that time:

- Xigncode failed to stop the usage of DPS meters. Literally, if you have a KTERA account, you could start up the most popular DPS meter for TERA and it will run perfectly fine. [1]

[1] As an educational side story, DPS meters are actually allowed under the ToS for KTERA. This happened after Nexon and BHS said that they were going to ban players that were using them, which resulted in a nasty backlash of the "lots of players actually stopped playing" kind. The ToS was subsequently re-written to allow DPS meters (and third party softwares, as long as the way it was used wasn't considered cheating).

- As has been mentioned in this thread, Xigncode is stupidly easy to bypass. Said DPS meter is actually a good example here.

But for others, Google is your friend here. And that's assuming that the game actually installed Xigncode onto your machine in the first place. There are comments by a few people that TERA never actually installed Xigncode on the machine it was running on (though that may be down to the borked patch process that happened).
KitTeaCup wrote: »
We’re just trying to ensure that all battlegrounds and epic quests take place on a figurative level field.

- Xigncode never stopped the cheating enabled by the exploits that we have seen over the last two years on NA. How do we know this? They have been used on KTERA and action against cheaters was only taken after the community managed to prove that cheating was occurring.

One such example was the Valkyrie Dreamslash exploit. This appears to have been considered by BHS and Nexon a problem that didn't exist on KTERA until the Battleground leaderboards were re-introduced, where a Valkyrie that was known to be pretty bad at the game was sitting at the top of the PvP leaderboards for BGs. It was only at that point where it was proven to be an issue in KTERA when they actually started to code in proper fixes for it
KitTeaCup wrote: »
I look forward to hearing what you have to say.
I'm loving that line from the post in the previous topic in XIGNCODE.... Teacup wants to hear what we say, THATS GREAT... then locks thread lol. Amazing courage.

Theres a lot of info and videos on people using CE to bypass this anticheat. So im not exactly sure why they are willing to put us all at risk and have this rootkit malware installed on our PCs.

Reminds me of Denuvo, which is an aggressive DRM system that was supposed to stop piracy *(which it didn't). What it did do though is hurt actual paying customers with software that damaged their SSD's and hurt game performance, while pirates were able to download versions of those games without Denuvo and have none of those problems.

Same applies here, real criminals will bypass this anticheat and continue to run wild, while people who never cheated will quit this game, or tough it out for a while up until they get a randomware virus and think for a minute, gee how did i suddenly get a virus? Was it that weird company that installs a windows service that sends unchecked amounts of data back to a korean server and has full access to my pc? Ya maybe that.

XIGNCODE is much more risky than Denuvo though. Denuvo just scanned files within your game folder to verify them, XIGNCODE scans memory, any file on your pc, and windows processes which contain private information.

But don't worry guys, lets give them a chance!!! Its probably safe cause EME said they are. I also trust Facebook btw and think Trollface Zuckerberg is a moral person and never lies.
TERA PC - General Discussion#63 Christin06/08/2018, 12:16 PM
Christin wrote: »
Mogly wrote: »
They wont get Xing, as it directly conflicts with European general law.
As explained in another thread, it doesn't necessarily conflict with the law. There are a number of games in EU (like Black Desert, Blade and Soul, EME's Closers, etc.) that do use that program. Gameforge may still decide not to go that path, of course.

All Korean based games that don't need to follow European law. Sure, they may update their terms to add in a bunch of garbage, but they don't have to follow any of it. You're just being ignorant and silly and pointing to stuff that you know can be ignored.
Uhh, I'm talking about the EU-published versions of those games, and they absolutely need to comply with EU law. EME also needs to comply with EU law as long as they offer products to EU natural persons (which they certainly do with games like Closers). It's absolutely applicable. That's why Gravity Interactive, who also publishes Korean games, completely pulled out of EU last month (in fear that they couldn't comply with GDPR). They wouldn't have done that if "they don't have to follow any of it." Pretending they don't have to comply with the law just because they're "Korean based games" would definitely make it illegal in the EU.

Christin wrote: »
Laemie wrote: »
So shes playing Tera on a Mac and shes using nvidia geforce cloud thingy to play. With this Xigncode, its not allowed anymore and she can nolonger play. Any of you using the same thing and having any solutions?

I recommend she contact EME in a ticket about this situation. This is something they may have to work with Nvidia to solve, but it's something they clearly have done before since PUBG is working there. Likely either EME or Nvidia has to change some options on their end to make this work again.

Why even give people hope and tell them to contact support? Do you think support is going to suddenly change the code to allow this cloud? Give it up already.
They certainly have proven they can. PUBG is also made by BHS, supported by EME, uses XIGNCODE3, and is one of the featured games on GeForce Now (the very cloud service that's being referred to). Plus, by its very nature, that cloud service is going to host all sorts of other games that also have various kinds of anti-cheat software like this; they just probably weren't prepared for it being added to TERA. So... yes? It's certainly at least worth asking.

I guess in your little world hackers don't exist, because "hacking is against the law". Oh, please.

I don't even know why I respond, because you always come back with the worst rebuttals just to prove some point that you simply don't understand. Just like you bringing PUBG into this when Tera is the lowest priority and PUBG is the highest. Telling people they might get the same as PUBG is just sad. PUBG isn't supported by EME, so you have that backwards. EME is supported/directed by BHS and that's it.

I'm trying to have a serious discussion here, and you're just pulling stuff from all over the place to distract everyone. It's dribble, and you're not helping the situation at all.
Christin wrote: »
Christin wrote: »
Mogly wrote: »
They wont get Xing, as it directly conflicts with European general law.
As explained in another thread, it doesn't necessarily conflict with the law. There are a number of games in EU (like Black Desert, Blade and Soul, EME's Closers, etc.) that do use that program. Gameforge may still decide not to go that path, of course.

All Korean based games that don't need to follow European law. Sure, they may update their terms to add in a bunch of garbage, but they don't have to follow any of it. You're just being ignorant and silly and pointing to stuff that you know can be ignored.
Uhh, I'm talking about the EU-published versions of those games, and they absolutely need to comply with EU law. EME also needs to comply with EU law as long as they offer products to EU natural persons (which they certainly do with games like Closers). It's absolutely applicable. That's why Gravity Interactive, who also publishes Korean games, completely pulled out of EU last month (in fear that they couldn't comply with GDPR). They wouldn't have done that if "they don't have to follow any of it." Pretending they don't have to comply with the law just because they're "Korean based games" would definitely make it illegal in the EU.

Christin wrote: »
Laemie wrote: »
So shes playing Tera on a Mac and shes using nvidia geforce cloud thingy to play. With this Xigncode, its not allowed anymore and she can nolonger play. Any of you using the same thing and having any solutions?

I recommend she contact EME in a ticket about this situation. This is something they may have to work with Nvidia to solve, but it's something they clearly have done before since PUBG is working there. Likely either EME or Nvidia has to change some options on their end to make this work again.

Why even give people hope and tell them to contact support? Do you think support is going to suddenly change the code to allow this cloud? Give it up already.
They certainly have proven they can. PUBG is also made by BHS, supported by EME, uses XIGNCODE3, and is one of the featured games on GeForce Now (the very cloud service that's being referred to). Plus, by its very nature, that cloud service is going to host all sorts of other games that also have various kinds of anti-cheat software like this; they just probably weren't prepared for it being added to TERA. So... yes? It's certainly at least worth asking.

I guess in your little world hackers don't exist, because "hacking is against the law". Oh, please.

I don't even know why I respond, because you always come back with the worst rebuttals just to prove some point that you simply don't understand. Just like you bringing PUBG into this when Tera is the lowest priority and PUBG is the highest. Telling people they might get the same as PUBG is just sad. PUBG isn't supported by EME, so you have that backwards. EME is supported/directed by BHS and that's it.

I'm trying to have a serious discussion here, and you're just pulling stuff from all over the place to distract everyone. It's dribble, and you're not helping the situation at all.

Grate bate mate

Trolling counterpoint in a thread where players are trying to present their case to eme about xigncode helps no one. Relax my dude. Getting the thread locked resolves nothing and helps no one lmao
TERA PC - General Discussion#65 Starkhoe06/08/2018, 01:01 PM
I`m still waiting for them to provide proof to what ive said in my previous comment here. Show me something good that came out of this. This is for the staff. Show me physical evidence that XIGNCODE has changed Tera for the better. Because from what I have seen so far the performance only got worse, with absolutely no payoff from having this malware. I`m not asking for company secrets, id even be happy with a simple official statistic which regards Tera NA exclusively (because this is what i`m playing) that shows a decline in cheaters plus something that shows me that the game works better because of XIGNCODE. If you don`t have such proof yet, that`s fine. I`ll wait.

Also i`m sorry but i`m still not seeing a discussion here. Not a real one a least. All I can see are alot of complaints and Counterpoint talking instead of the staff. Great. You know what? good for him. I hope they pay him one day because dayyym son all that free work. But with all due respect, everything said here can be Googled. That`s not good enough imo. And, no, I don` t care about what happens in BDO or Closers. I`m asking for some kind of minimal degree of transparency from someone. You people (EME staff) claim you wanna hear what people say and showing good intentions? that's cute but fact is you didn't even open this thread. This was open via a regular user`s initiative because you closed the popular one saying "we didn't like where this was going". Yeah? well that`s something we have in common EME because you`re still not baring the burden of proof, and I don`t like having malware on my PC. What, you don`t like "negative criticism"? honestly I don`t think anyone does. But i`m not the one shoving useless malware down peoples throat.

I say enough nonsense. No more lackeys. Give proof. Irrefutable proof that even the most casual of players can understand. If you can`t do that then i`m sorry but you really are as incompetent as everyone says you are.
I literally don't care.

It didn't effect my gameplay whatsoever.
just a idea

you guys should spam their discord server for answers non stop since they are there,you guys can see when they are online and not,tag,PM,have more visibility there and even get direct answers from them if too many start asking or lagging their server
hell,even social sites

lets show them we don't like this virus
Just let it be apparently they want their game to die they wont listen till the in game population fades and their stocks go broke they wont take action they are mainly focused on a few exploit while they are doing the worse on unaware consumers who werent able to bypass Xigncode
To be honest, I dont see how a malware/rootkit can improve my Tera experience in better.
This tool is constantly scanning my computer and my HHD is starting to going crazy when i play Tera with fps drop too ;(
I havent read someone that really enjoy play Tera with Xigncode :anguished:
also look at this copyright date and logo. 10/10

https://imgur.com/a/wo2dIqZ

it screams shady stuff just by the way it launches when you launch the game
i would freak out and go around trying to find out where tf is that to remove if i didn't knew
The problem I found is that XIGNCODE dumps a Kernal driver so it can access your

Well it looks for some injection or what not

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So it installs 'Xhunter1' and knowing that I played B&S and Skyforge, that's when I discovered it on my computer yesterday after really researching, because people were highly complaining about it. Once I researched about XIGNCODE and it's problems. I discovered that XIGNCODE is very intrusive and will cause problems! Meaning XIGNCODE accidentally corrupts system kernel drivers! That's a huge problem for me! This explains a lot on me getting a bad_pool_caller bluescreen while updating Skyforge! I'm furious with this so called ANTI-HACK software! I even showed legit proof!

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forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/87192-blue-screen-error-caused-by-xhunter1sys/

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-other_settings-winpc/bsod-driverirqlnotlessorequal-xhunter1sys-blue/6a1f4735-b799-417c-bb5b-b085bdd3c972

SO REALLY EXPLAIN THAT TO ME! Why did EME/BHS choose such a incompetent piece of ANTI-HACK SOFTWARE that accidentally corrupts, instead of blocks! Is it some type of error? Sure enough it's made by South Koreans and honestly I think their is some lost translation to North American code on computers. So technically it deletes or accidentally corrupts some essential files on kernel drivers, rather than actually blocking things.

There is no need for installing a kernel driver on my computer! This is ridiculous! People are not that smart for hacking within this community! If they are, take care of it as the November 2017 chat invulnerability we had long ago, rather than installing a ridiculous kernel driver that can cause computers to crash! I'm seriously going to state my mind and type [filtered]! Yeah I type [ ] with filtered in-between, but people will get the idea of my furious feeling about XIGNCODE! I'm really furious on the truth of this XIGNCODE!
only hope is rope mEME the hackers will find their way to bypass it and the ones who never really used a 3rd party program will have to endure your shitness and eventually quit
Well apparently there was bypass also released yesterday also that doesn't require proxy to work. Not telling anyone to go download it but yeah it exists.
Someone linked me this picture on discord... well, i edited it to hopefully comply with forum rules, but it seems like exactly what i was worried about is what's happening.. more people are turning to cheating in response to xigncode.
MTMCEZ2.png
just sayin

if KC and RG queues are dead something is not right
ALHDLFX3WL wrote: »
only hope is rope mEME the hackers will find their way to bypass it and the ones who never really used a 3rd party program will have to endure your shitness and eventually quit
Will? They already got that, years before mEme put XC in fact.
That is the main problem here. They re instaling a spybot who does NOT catch ANY hack or exploit. ANY!
Some of my friends left game today. FPS issues are very hard.
4MWWPH9LXE wrote: »
just sayin

if KC and RG queues are dead something is not right

RG is the level 65 dungeon I'd typically run. If the IMS queue for it is dead, I'd say there is a serious problem here. EME really needs to do something if they want to save TERA. Heck, outright allowing cheats in all servers would be better than this. As is, I can't even play the game.
RandomElin wrote: »
4MWWPH9LXE wrote: »
just sayin

if KC and RG queues are dead something is not right

RG is the level 65 dungeon I'd typically run. If the IMS queue for it is dead, I'd say there is a serious problem here. EME really needs to do something if they want to save TERA. Heck, outright allowing cheats in all servers would be better than this. As is, I can't even play the game.

rofl. I haven't touched the game since the malware rootkit was announced as a bonus item for download. But the typical wait for RG is about 30-60 seconds. Sounds like they killed the game.

KC queues were longer since tank/healer required, usually 3-5minute wait at peak times, and around 10-15 at dead times in the middle of the night.

EME may as well remove the malware kit because theres already a bypass for it. If they'd stop taking coffee breaks and spend 5 minutes and check out tera discord, they'd see they infected thousands of PC's for no reason.
Here is an instance of xhunter1 (WELLBIA) causing BlueScreen, while playing Blade&Soul.

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https://forums.bladeandsoul.com/topic/234895-xigncode3-bsod-on-game-startup/
Well, this explains a lot...Listen to what the guy is saying at 0:21-0:32...DID NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO DO SO!

[video]

XIGNCODE is MALWARE! I want an explanation! Perhaps I'm wrong here, but still NOTHING SHOULD CAUSE OUR SYSTEMS TO CRASH! PERIOD!

EME/BHS should sue WELLBIA!
MistyTera wrote: »
XIGNCODE is MALWARE! I want an explanation! Perhaps I'm wrong here, but still NOTHING SHOULD CAUSE OUR SYSTEMS TO CRASH! PERIOD!

EME/BHS should sue WELLBIA!

Trying to stop people here from hacking by telling how easy it is to get caught and now I'm dealing with what I see on the internet with issues concerning XIGNCODE! It's not hard to use google at all.

Pretty scary stuff. I've ran into random Malware before, never seen it crash a system. it makes you wonder the kind of system damage XIGNCODE could cause while its rooting around in your files and scanning them. I'd be worried about file corruption... and the data theft is an obvious thing also but having this rootkit scanning any file it wants could cause invaluable files to become permanently damaged, especially if when doing so causing a system crash.

The video is correct, but a bluescreen can also be just a way the pc is shutting down to prevent system damage. Meaning this file could be causing hardware damage or file damage. If a decent amount of people suffered damage, a class action lawsuit would be viable.
Christin wrote: »
PUBG isn't supported by EME, so you have that backwards. EME is supported/directed by BHS and that's it.

FWIW, I meant that, literally, EME's team provides the customer support for PUBG. That's why it made sense in the context I was replying to (contacting customer support related to an issue with XIGNCODE3 in GeForce Now). That's all.
Sigh... I like TERA but my computer is too expensive to risk on this questionable third-party Korean big brother nonsense.
Campaigner wrote: »
Sigh... I like TERA but my computer is too expensive to risk on this questionable third-party Korean big brother AI nonsense.

realistically, the only thing it is likely to do is corrupt/destroy your hard drives. it probably won't damage anything else!
No answer from CobaltDragon or sandynatime (sorry I forgot how to spell your screen name) by messaging them. I proved every legit thing about XIGNCODE and I'm not going to STOP NOW! I will not have this intrusive POOP WARE on my computer!
Scream about it all you want, you're wasting your time.

Take your sensationalism and cram it, if you don't want to play this game, no one's forcing you to stay. Based on my experience with this program from previous games I've played that used it, you're blowing it WAY out of proportion. Just because you can find random crap on Google doesn't mean that it's as serious as you're trying to make it out to be.

Get over it
Scream about it all you want, you're wasting your time.

Take your sensationalism and cram it, if you don't want to play this game, no one's forcing you to stay. Based on my experience with this program from previous games I've played that used it, you're blowing it WAY out of proportion. Just because you can find random crap on Google doesn't mean that it's as serious as you're trying to make it out to be.

Get over it

Then explain the blue-screens! HMM this is a problem, so pay attention! At first I thought it was harmless, until I found legit answers!
Scream about it all you want, you're wasting your time.

Take your sensationalism and cram it, if you don't want to play this game, no one's forcing you to stay. Based on my experience with this program from previous games I've played that used it, you're blowing it WAY out of proportion. Just because you can find random crap on Google doesn't mean that it's as serious as you're trying to make it out to be.

Get over it

For me personally, depending on what it decides to scan (why is it scanning my NAS?) my performance ranges from slightly below normal to absolutely unplayable. Entirely at random. And i've been noticing spikes in data use coinciding with spikes in ping since it was installed. It makes the game objectively worse without a single upside. Literally not one single positive thing comes from xigncode. gold sellers are still active, cheats of every kind are unhindered. The only thing i've been able to find where xigncode stopped anyone from doing something which might be considered shady was my friend who used to use AHK to tbag people now has to use something else instead.
Why are people making it worse, when there is a problem?! Blue-Screens from XIGNCODE is a serious problem! I really don't know what to think anymore?! We are demanding something better and more trustworthy for customer use!
MistyTera wrote: »
Why are people making it worse, when there is a problem?! Blue-Screens from XIGNCODE is a serious problem! I really don't know what to think anymore?! We are demanding something better and more trustworthy for customer use! Something that doesn't cause a blue-screen! Something is causing an interference perhaps with some people's computers so I can't explain everything! Since 'xhunter1' is linked to WELLBIA and there are blue-screens happening to people, that means XIGNCODE is that intrusive! So we are trying to get that across!

no xigncode or xhunter1 on my system anymore and it never comes back, it's an easy fix if u still want to play the game.
MistyTera wrote: »
Why are people making it worse, when there is a problem?! Blue-Screens from XIGNCODE is a serious problem! I really don't know what to think anymore?! We are demanding something better and more trustworthy for customer use! Something that doesn't cause a blue-screen! Something is causing an interference perhaps with some people's computers so I can't explain everything! Since 'xhunter1' is linked to WELLBIA and there are blue-screens happening to people, that means XIGNCODE is that intrusive! So we are trying to get that across!

no xigncode or xhunter1 on my system anymore and it never comes back, it's an easy fix if u still want to play the game.

Really? Is it something different now or hiding somewhere else? I don't know? No xigncode...hmmm STOP TROLLING!
MistyTera wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Why are people making it worse, when there is a problem?! Blue-Screens from XIGNCODE is a serious problem! I really don't know what to think anymore?! We are demanding something better and more trustworthy for customer use! Something that doesn't cause a blue-screen! Something is causing an interference perhaps with some people's computers so I can't explain everything! Since 'xhunter1' is linked to WELLBIA and there are blue-screens happening to people, that means XIGNCODE is that intrusive! So we are trying to get that across!

no xigncode or xhunter1 on my system anymore and it never comes back, it's an easy fix if u still want to play the game.

Really? Is it something different now or hiding somewhere else? I don't know? No xigncode...hmmm STOP TROLLING!

it's as simple as a bypass but if you'd rather complain about it acting like you know everything but don't know how to bypass it from being able to install then keep going.
check rege entries/logs and /windows folder
MistyTera wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Why are people making it worse, when there is a problem?! Blue-Screens from XIGNCODE is a serious problem! I really don't know what to think anymore?! We are demanding something better and more trustworthy for customer use! Something that doesn't cause a blue-screen! Something is causing an interference perhaps with some people's computers so I can't explain everything! Since 'xhunter1' is linked to WELLBIA and there are blue-screens happening to people, that means XIGNCODE is that intrusive! So we are trying to get that across!

no xigncode or xhunter1 on my system anymore and it never comes back, it's an easy fix if u still want to play the game.

Really? Is it something different now or hiding somewhere else? I don't know? No xigncode...hmmm STOP TROLLING!

it's as simple as a bypass but if you'd rather complain about it acting like you know everything but don't know how to bypass it from being able to install then keep going.
MistyTera wrote: »
No answer from CobaltDragon or sandynatime (sorry I forgot how to spell your screen name) by messaging them. I proved every legit thing about XIGNCODE and I'm not going to STOP NOW! I will not have this intrusive POOP WARE on my computer!

AND FORCING ME TO USE SOME BYPASS (could get banned if it's not a good one) AND STILL BE A LEGITIMATE PLAYER BY NOT AFFECTING OTHERS! I'M NOT GOING TO BREAK A RULE, JUST SO I CAN PLAY TERA WITHOUT THIS INCOMPETENT ANTI-HACK SOFTWARE!

What is xhunter1?

https://google.com/search?q=what+is+xhunter1&oq=what+is&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0l4.1612j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I TOLD YOU I'M NOT USING A BYPASS!
MistyTera wrote: »
Why are people making it worse, when there is a problem?! Blue-Screens from XIGNCODE is a serious problem! I really don't know what to think anymore?! We are demanding something better and more trustworthy for customer use! Something that doesn't cause a blue-screen! Something is causing an interference perhaps with some people's computers so I can't explain everything! Since 'xhunter1' is linked to WELLBIA and there are blue-screens happening to people, that means XIGNCODE is that intrusive! So we are trying to get that across!

no xigncode or xhunter1 on my system anymore and it never comes back, it's an easy fix if u still want to play the game.

xhunter1 has never been on my system even with several games that use Xigncode.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Why are people making it worse, when there is a problem?! Blue-Screens from XIGNCODE is a serious problem! I really don't know what to think anymore?! We are demanding something better and more trustworthy for customer use! Something that doesn't cause a blue-screen! Something is causing an interference perhaps with some people's computers so I can't explain everything! Since 'xhunter1' is linked to WELLBIA and there are blue-screens happening to people, that means XIGNCODE is that intrusive! So we are trying to get that across!

no xigncode or xhunter1 on my system anymore and it never comes back, it's an easy fix if u still want to play the game.

xhunter1 has never been on my system even with several games that use Xigncode.

Which games?
MistyTera wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Why are people making it worse, when there is a problem?! Blue-Screens from XIGNCODE is a serious problem! I really don't know what to think anymore?! We are demanding something better and more trustworthy for customer use! Something that doesn't cause a blue-screen! Something is causing an interference perhaps with some people's computers so I can't explain everything! Since 'xhunter1' is linked to WELLBIA and there are blue-screens happening to people, that means XIGNCODE is that intrusive! So we are trying to get that across!

no xigncode or xhunter1 on my system anymore and it never comes back, it's an easy fix if u still want to play the game.

xhunter1 has never been on my system even with several games that use Xigncode.

Which games? I don't know what in the world is your problem? However, I found a link and I found xhunter1 in my registry on my laptop. I played Skyforge and Blade&Soul, which both have XIGNCODE!

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Not going to bother to reapeat again and again what games I played, you can at least notice 4 games I have that use Xigncode if you read what I have already posted and there are many screenshoots.
xhunter1! NOT xhunter!
MistyTera wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Why are people making it worse, when there is a problem?! Blue-Screens from XIGNCODE is a serious problem! I really don't know what to think anymore?! We are demanding something better and more trustworthy for customer use! Something that doesn't cause a blue-screen! Something is causing an interference perhaps with some people's computers so I can't explain everything! Since 'xhunter1' is linked to WELLBIA and there are blue-screens happening to people, that means XIGNCODE is that intrusive! So we are trying to get that across!

no xigncode or xhunter1 on my system anymore and it never comes back, it's an easy fix if u still want to play the game.

Really? Is it something different now or hiding somewhere else? I don't know? No xigncode...hmmm STOP TROLLING!

it's as simple as a bypass but if you'd rather complain about it acting like you know everything but don't know how to bypass it from being able to install then keep going.
MistyTera wrote: »
No answer from CobaltDragon or sandynatime (sorry I forgot how to spell your screen name) by messaging them. I proved every legit thing about XIGNCODE and I'm not going to STOP NOW! I will not have this intrusive POOP WARE on my computer!

AND FORCING ME TO USE SOME BYPASS (could get banned if it's not a good one) AND STILL BE A LEGITIMATE PLAYER BY NOT AFFECTING OTHERS! I'M NOT GOING TO BREAK A RULE, JUST SO I CAN PLAY TERA WITHOUT THIS INCOMPETENT ANTI-HACK SOFTWARE!

What is xhunter1?

https://google.com/search?q=what+is+xhunter1&oq=what+is&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j0l4.1612j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I TOLD YOU I'M NOT USING A BYPASS JUST TO AVOID THIS INCOMPETENT/INTRUSIVE XIGNCODE SOFTWARE AND PLAY MY GAME!

SECOND YOU JUST ADMITTED TO BAN YOURSELF BY ADMITTING USE OF IT! OH SNAP!

oh no i admited to not having xigncode installed on my pc what am i going to do lol, no where did i say i use a bypass but said that there are things called bypasses, seeing how you are constantly complaining about [filtered] eme won't change because they still make money shows how much you need to get out. And really "oh snap"? this isn't the 80s.
But like I said before if you act like you know so much about the program how come you don't know the game doesn't check if it's installed unless the game needs to update? Simply wipe it and boom, it will never reinstall until a new patch comes out but you knew that right since you know so much about the program right?

4MWWPH9LXE wrote: »
check rege entries/logs and /windows folder
https://i.imgur.com/F65kJmR.png
tera is open aswell without any trace

TERA PC - General Discussion#101 ElinUsagi06/08/2018, 10:06 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
xhunter1! NOT xhunter!

If you look for xhunter then you will get also xhunter1 on you search list result, genius.

If you don't even know this basic thing then no wonder why you believe lies from other paranoid people.
TERA PC - General Discussion#102 MistyTera06/08/2018, 10:07 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
xhunter1! NOT xhunter!

If you look for xhunter then you will get also xhunter1 on you search list result, genius.

No you won't!
too bad we cant get our characters and stuff transferred to consoles from pc. then we wouldn't have to worry about the xhunter1 or hackers. if this was the twilight zone, I would think that this all was done so that they could get out of the pc market and just have it on consoles, but then that would be ridiculous because they would lose money.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
xhunter1! NOT xhunter!

If you look for xhunter then you will get also xhunter1 on you search list result, genius.

If you don't even know this basic thing then no wonder why you believe lies from other paranoid people.

don't even bother with him anymore, he clearly copy pastes and regurgitates everything he sees other people type to act like he knows anything about computers.
TERA PC - General Discussion#105 ElinUsagi06/08/2018, 10:10 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
xhunter1! NOT xhunter!

If you look for xhunter then you will get also xhunter1 on you search list result, genius.

No you won't!

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This is just to apease your own ignorance.
TERA PC - General Discussion#106 vkobe06/08/2018, 10:13 PM
Campaigner wrote: »
Sigh... I like TERA but my computer is too expensive to risk on this questionable third-party Korean big brother AI nonsense.

realistically, the only thing it is likely to do is corrupt/destroy your hard drives. it probably won't damage anything else!

but it is not fun to lost our ssd or hdd, especially when is mean we lost 5 years of data :/
TERA PC - General Discussion#107 MistyTera06/08/2018, 10:15 PM
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain why?! Though it makes sense that all computers work differently, so I can't explain why some people got blue-screens? I had actual proof of a problem that exists! So please read, before making your own assumptions.
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

Nah I'd rather not lose brain cells reading your nonsense since you have 0 understanding about computers and proving it after thinking just because you don't add a 1 on xhunter means it will not show in search results. Have fun.
TERA PC - General Discussion#109 ElinUsagi06/08/2018, 10:25 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

I already read your post, I already made a search about Xingcode not only this time but also when that was introduced on BnS, BDO and other games, what I have noticed is that most things looks to be made up and people doesnt share the whole picture of what is happening.

Most of my friends that have had issues with Xingcode is because they have software blacklisted or because they are not running the game using Windows or an original copy of windows. Everyone else of my friends that have their original copies installed and dont use software blacklisted never had issues of any kind, no blue screens, no crashes, no error messages.
TERA PC - General Discussion#110 MistyTera06/08/2018, 10:43 PM
It could be under some other name, since TERA probably has some new version of XIGNCODE3? I'm not going to waste my time! I know what I found and it proved that XIGNCODE is intrusive as an ANTI-HACK SOFTWARE for perhaps some computers, which could mean something?! Something is not right and I proved it! If Wellbia fixed it, well I don't know? Overall you just admitted using a bypass!

it's as simple as a bypass but if you'd rather complain about it acting like you know everything but don't know how to bypass it from being able to install then keep going.

TERA PC - General Discussion#111 MistyTera06/08/2018, 10:46 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

I already read your post, I already made a search about Xingcode not only this time but also when that was introduced on BnS, BDO and other games, what I have noticed is that most things looks to be made up and people doesnt share the whole picture of what is happening.

Most of my friends that have had issues with Xingcode is because they have software blacklisted or because they are not running the game using Windows or an original copy of windows. Everyone else of my friends that have their original copies installed and dont use software blacklisted never had issues of any kind, no blue screens, no crashes, no error messages.

Interesting, yet my laptop is original and is Windows 7. So perhaps Windows 10 blocks it better? I don't know? Sorry, but I'm trying to solve some issue here. Some windows update might help block it better? I'm really confused. Yet, I don't know if you're trolling or not for whatever reason?
TERA PC - General Discussion#112 ElinUsagi06/08/2018, 10:54 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

I already read your post, I already made a search about Xingcode not only this time but also when that was introduced on BnS, BDO and other games, what I have noticed is that most things looks to be made up and people doesnt share the whole picture of what is happening.

Most of my friends that have had issues with Xingcode is because they have software blacklisted or because they are not running the game using Windows or an original copy of windows. Everyone else of my friends that have their original copies installed and dont use software blacklisted never had issues of any kind, no blue screens, no crashes, no error messages.

Interesting, yet my laptop is original and is windows 7. So perhaps Windows 10 blocks it better? I don't know?

Maybe.

As I said, there are more things to look into it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#113 voidy06/08/2018, 10:56 PM
Can we get back on track, for [filtered]'s sake. Whether you agree with that Misty dude or not, he posted screens of xhunter1 causing someone's system to Blue Screen, which is the point of this thread: providing objective evidence that xigncode is garbage that creates more issues than it solves. Conveniently, no one's addressed that. Maybe the people accusing him and others of overblowing the problem should go apply for positions at wellbia; I mean, you might as well get paid if you're gonna sit around defending friggin' xigncode3 while pretending the neverending criticisms against it is all just "overblown" since it hasn't happened to you yet.

Honestly all of those risks are made worse by the fact that it doesn't even work as intended. Get that nasty stuff out of here fam. Legit no good argument to have it has been posted even once; it doesn't stop proxy users. It doesn't stop dps meters. The gold sellers are still at it. Meanwhile there's heaps of evidence showing that it CAN cause issues ranging from false positives to actual hardware failure and you're all like "just use it, you're being paranoid," it's like they're paying you for every post you make.
TERA PC - General Discussion#114 ElinUsagi06/08/2018, 11:07 PM
voidy wrote: »
Can we get back on track, for [filtered]'s sake. Whether you agree with that Misty dude or not, he posted screens of xhunter1 causing someone's system to Blue Screen, which is the point of this thread: providing objective evidence that xigncode is garbage that creates more issues than it solves. Conveniently, no one's addressed that. Maybe the people accusing him and others of overblowing the problem should go apply for positions at wellbia; I mean, you might as well get paid if you're gonna sit around defending friggin' xigncode3 while pretending the neverending criticisms against it is all just "overblown" since it hasn't happened to you yet.

Honestly all of those risks are made worse by the fact that it doesn't even work as intended. Get that nasty stuff out of here fam. Legit no good argument to have it has been posted even once; it doesn't stop proxy users. It doesn't stop dps meters. The gold sellers are still at it. Meanwhile there's heaps of evidence showing that it CAN cause issues ranging from false positives to actual hardware failure and you're all like "just use it, you're being paranoid," it's like they're paying you for every post you make.

Paranoid comes about the sentence "confidential info theft" that has been spit from other users and no one has proved that, I even dared to share my Xigncode files and people went like "o no one cares" a good way to lose face from them I would say.

Most people here that talks like paranoic people doesnt even make test and share the results with others yet people who are here on these forums that alreayd have tested and shared the results and showing there is nothing abnormal are treated as lairs, thats another sympthom of their paranoia.
TERA PC - General Discussion#115 MistyTera06/08/2018, 11:08 PM
What actually makes sense theoretically, is that perhaps in the XIGNCODE, it creates that file xhunter1, when there is a conflict of no-permission. XIGNCODE becomes that intrusive and creates a file, therefore causing the blue-screen crash! Not all computer probably will act that way, depending on security or the way it runs with XIGNCODE. So still intrusive!

DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL makes sense again!

Still you could be still trolling?! Yet, I'm not going to waste my time with people!
TERA PC - General Discussion#116 ElinUsagi06/08/2018, 11:19 PM
Not sure about all TERA comunity but those who use Steam to get access on TERA werent axed at all if we compare friday vs fiday at the same hours.

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Steam only shows what could be a low % of players that are currently playing the game. So far looking at this it seems TERA continues like if nothing has happened with this patch.

u_u
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Not sure about all TERA comunity but those who use Steam to get access on TERA werent axed at all if we compare friday vs fiday at the same hours.

Steam only shows what could be a low % of players that are currently playing the game. So far looking at this it seems TERA continues like if nothing has happened with this patch.

u_u

Of course numbers aren't different.. everyone who couldn't login due to xigncode started cheating to log in anyway, and anyone who was cheating before xigncode didn't even notice the patch. It's almost as if EME is encouraging people to cheat.
TERA PC - General Discussion#118 ElinUsagi06/08/2018, 11:25 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Not sure about all TERA comunity but those who use Steam to get access on TERA werent axed at all if we compare friday vs fiday at the same hours.

Steam only shows what could be a low % of players that are currently playing the game. So far looking at this it seems TERA continues like if nothing has happened with this patch.

u_u

Of course numbers aren't different.. everyone who couldn't login due to xigncode started cheating to log in anyway, and anyone who was cheating before xigncode didn't even notice the patch. It's almost as if EME is encouraging people to cheat.

Yeah, I am on the side where people wonder "why include a tool that is not going to solve the issues that is suposed to solve?"

I mean, I guess EME included Xigncode as a way to fight gold sellers but everyone here knew it wouldnt work anyway, so why make something useless that will only get players upset even more than they are already?
ElinUsagi wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Not sure about all TERA comunity but those who use Steam to get access on TERA werent axed at all if we compare friday vs fiday at the same hours.

Steam only shows what could be a low % of players that are currently playing the game. So far looking at this it seems TERA continues like if nothing has happened with this patch.

u_u

Of course numbers aren't different.. everyone who couldn't login due to xigncode started cheating to log in anyway, and anyone who was cheating before xigncode didn't even notice the patch. It's almost as if EME is encouraging people to cheat.

Yeah, I am on the side where people wonder "why include a tool that is not going to solve the issues that is suposed to solve?"

I mean, I guess EME included Xigncode as a way to fight gold sellers but everyone here knew it wouldnt work anyway, so why make something useless that will only get players upset even more than they are already?

BTW, does anyone knows what is it the small patch from today?

It's the loading screen contest, they just announced it c:
Doesn't steam require much larger downloads for updating TERA? Seems I recall reading that somewhere. What does steam consider as playing TERA? Does it use a launcher like the non-steam version? Does someone have to be logged in as a character to count in those statistics, or is it counting people who are just logged into the launcher?

In regard to the xhunter1.sys file, it has already mentioned that it might have been renamed. However, we need to remember that xigncode3 is believed by many to be a rootkit. If they are correct about that, then it is possible that it possesses the ability to hide files from users. For what it is worth, I did not find an xhunter1.sys file in the wine bottle that I have (a now unplayable TERA) installed in. Has anyone with a windows system with xigncode3 installed (with the appearance of no xhunter1.sys) tried checking for it after booting into a clean environment?
TERA PC - General Discussion#121 ElinUsagi06/08/2018, 11:42 PM
RandomElin wrote: »
Doesn't steam require much larger downloads for updating TERA? Seems I recall reading that somewhere. What does steam consider as playing TERA? Does it use a launcher like the non-steam version? Does someone have to be logged in as a character to count in those statistics, or is it counting people who are just logged into the launcher?

Steam would consider you as if you were playing if you have only the TERA launcher open.

That's why you shouldnt bother with the 10k hours played from some people over there, obviously they never closes the launcher.
xigncode3 is evil. it killed my dog and ate my lunch....wait, that was little brother. nevermind. lol jk.
TERA PC - General Discussion#123 MistyTera06/08/2018, 11:46 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Not sure about all TERA comunity but those who use Steam to get access on TERA werent axed at all if we compare friday vs fiday at the same hours.

Steam only shows what could be a low % of players that are currently playing the game. So far looking at this it seems TERA continues like if nothing has happened with this patch.

u_u

Of course numbers aren't different.. everyone who couldn't login due to xigncode started cheating to log in anyway, and anyone who was cheating before xigncode didn't even notice the patch. It's almost as if EME is encouraging people to cheat.

Yeah, I am on the side where people wonder "why include a tool that is not going to solve the issues that is suposed to solve?"

I mean, I guess EME included Xigncode as a way to fight gold sellers but everyone here knew it wouldnt work anyway, so why make something useless that will only get players upset even more than they are already?

BTW, does anyone knows what is it the small patch from today?

No someone posted a gold seller on forums recently! Probably using the bypass obviously! :'( :/ I told you there was a way for hackers and I told everyone just my searching it myself!

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*facepalm* google for this situation, but at least we know that we need something better!
MistyTera wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Not sure about all TERA comunity but those who use Steam to get access on TERA werent axed at all if we compare friday vs fiday at the same hours.

Steam only shows what could be a low % of players that are currently playing the game. So far looking at this it seems TERA continues like if nothing has happened with this patch.

u_u

Of course numbers aren't different.. everyone who couldn't login due to xigncode started cheating to log in anyway, and anyone who was cheating before xigncode didn't even notice the patch. It's almost as if EME is encouraging people to cheat.

Yeah, I am on the side where people wonder "why include a tool that is not going to solve the issues that is suposed to solve?"

I mean, I guess EME included Xigncode as a way to fight gold sellers but everyone here knew it wouldnt work anyway, so why make something useless that will only get players upset even more than they are already?

BTW, does anyone knows what is it the small patch from today?

No someone posted a gold seller on forums recently! Probably using the bypass obviously! :'( :/ I told you there was a way for hackers and I told everyone just my searching it myself!

f0qkue.jpg

*facepalm* google for this situation, but at least we know that we need something better!

actually, you don't need bypass for gold selling bots, since xigncode doesn't stop them to begin with..
TERA PC - General Discussion#125 MistyTera06/08/2018, 11:49 PM
xigncode3 is evil. it killed my dog and ate my lunch....wait, that was little brother. nevermind. lol jk.

Did he get blue-screen?
TERA PC - General Discussion#126 MistyTera06/08/2018, 11:53 PM
@KillerPenguins How would you know that?
MistyTera wrote: »
@KillerPenguins How would you know that?

because xigncode detects basically nothing. as far as i'm aware, the only things it flags are false positives and autohotkey.
TERA PC - General Discussion#128 MistyTera06/09/2018, 12:06 AM
You're the one that started this thread though and it seems you don't like this XIGNCODE?! So how would you know what it blocks and doesn't block? Unless I miss-read somewhere?
TERA PC - General Discussion#129 clfarron406/09/2018, 12:17 AM
RandomElin wrote: »
Doesn't steam require much larger downloads for updating TERA? Seems I recall reading that somewhere.

Yes, Steam versions of TERA require considerably larger downloads than standard TERA patches. You need to download:
1) everything from whenever EME update the Steam version of the patch for Steam through Steam.
2) the latest patch again through the EME launcher

Basically means that every major path is downloaded 3 times and each intermediary patch is downloaded twice.
Why defend a program that hurts your pc it may not be so severe or much of a savage but face it not everyone who games can just bypass it or has the knowledge to just dig it up and find it to get rid of it within their pc if your so good at it or wanting it that bad then just go install every single malware you can find we want to play the game without all this performace drops cause not everyone can either afford an [filtered] [filtered] setup
TERA PC - General Discussion#131 Yamazuki06/09/2018, 01:32 AM
ALHDLFX3WL wrote: »
Why defend a program that hurts your pc it may not be so severe or much of a savage but face it not everyone who games can just bypass it or has the knowledge to just dig it up and find it to get rid of it within their pc if your so good at it or wanting it that bad then just go install every single malware you can find we want to play the game without all this performace drops cause not everyone can either afford an [filtered] [filtered] setup

The impact it has will vary widely, for myself, all it does is use ~2MB of memory. I see zero difference in the game's actual load times (even on an HDD), no cpu usage spike either.

It's not really a case of requiring a good PC either, one of the drawbacks that PC gaming has that consoles don't is the million different combinations. There is realistically don't solution that won't negatively impact a small group in some way, other than just not using anything; although, clearly the issue most people have isn't the fact they are using something, because almost all games do, it's just whether it is negatively impacting their experience or not.

I mostly don't like Xigncode3 because it doesn't seem to work, which means wasted resources, beyond that, I don't really care about it.
Well based on how different our opinions are they will never get rid of it so yeah just like many of you said let it be and well see if it dies or progresses
Unfortunately, XIGNCODE3 might be responsible for me being locked out of Tera entirely. Ever since the X3 patch was added, I get a crash to desktop whenever I try to launch the game.

I've filed a support ticket and followed all the instructions on the support website; I even uninstalled my antivirus and Razer Synapse software to see if that would let me play. So far, nothing has worked.

It would be funny if it wasn't such a pain in the backside. I came back to Tera a couple of weeks ago, spent a fair amount of money buying a collector's edition, and now I'm likely being screwed over by an anti-cheat program when I've never run a cheat on my computer.

If this isn't fixed in a few days I'll have to try getting a refund for the money I spent on a game I can't play. That should be fun. >.>
Fisrt CS with XC. UNPLAYABLE
NOTICEABLE fps drop... Less than 12. Literally, unplayable.
GG bhs. Bye Tera!
5TF4RJPD55 wrote: »
Unfortunately, XIGNCODE3 might be responsible for me being locked out of Tera entirely. Ever since the X3 patch was added, I get a crash to desktop whenever I try to launch the game.

I've filed a support ticket and followed all the instructions on the support website; I even uninstalled my antivirus and Razer Synapse software to see if that would let me play. So far, nothing has worked.

It would be funny if it wasn't such a pain in the backside. I came back to Tera a couple of weeks ago, spent a fair amount of money buying a collector's edition, and now I'm likely being screwed over by an anti-cheat program when I've never run a cheat on my computer.

If this isn't fixed in a few days I'll have to try getting a refund for the money I spent on a game I can't play. That should be fun. >.>

I'm pretty sure that xigncode3 is responsible for me being locked out, but I was playing on linux. I know how you feel about having spent real money on this.
I hate eme and wish them 10 years if disluck. Some of my friends gone from Tera because their useless $hit program killed their fps.
I think I will wait until eme gets this crapstorm straightened out before I update. I can go without playing instead of risking infecting my pc.
Scream about it all you want, you're wasting your time.

Take your sensationalism and cram it, if you don't want to play this game, no one's forcing you to stay. Based on my experience with this program from previous games I've played that used it, you're blowing it WAY out of proportion. Just because you can find random crap on Google doesn't mean that it's as serious as you're trying to make it out to be.

Get over it

Hope you like long waiting queue periods, dead zones, empty cities, because at this pace of players quitting, u can have all the game just for you. Just because you're a no life moron with nothing to lose, that everyone is like you. I have 4 computers, and 3 of them i was able to play Tera on them. Now i have to format 2 of them, because this Xign [filtered] [filtered] up my files. Ain't installing it in my main pc for sure. You're the living proof, that even tards with an IQ of 1 digit, can use a computer in our days. YOU have no clue what you're talking about,so just shut up.
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

Nah I'd rather not lose brain cells reading your nonsense since you have 0 understanding about computers and proving it after thinking just because you don't add a 1 on xhunter means it will not show in search results. Have fun.

Hey genius, wannabe computer Einstein. How come i had a blue screen in 1 of my laptops? My drivers are all [filtered] up, half the stuff dont start, and i get a xhunter1 in windows registry. Was finally able to get someone by text message at windows, and funny thing is... they know very well this [filtered] Xign crap and that xhunter1 [filtered] file. If a roll back before update doesn't fix the problem, i can try those external anti-virus to clean this mess, and/or format and re-install.

Oh wait, they're dummies also, you sir, are the ALL KNOWING COMPUTER WIZ. If I was you, i wouldn't worry about losing brain cells, you actually need to have them in the first place for that. Have fun
TERA PC - General Discussion#140 Equitas06/09/2018, 08:33 AM
FEY3TX9579 wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

Nah I'd rather not lose brain cells reading your nonsense since you have 0 understanding about computers and proving it after thinking just because you don't add a 1 on xhunter means it will not show in search results. Have fun.

Hey genius, wannabe computer Einstein. How come i had a blue screen in 1 of my laptops? My drivers are all [filtered] up, half the stuff dont start, and i get a xhunter1 in windows registry. Was finally able to get someone by text message at windows, and funny thing is... they know very well this [filtered] Xign crap and that xhunter1 [filtered] file. If a roll back before update doesn't fix the problem, i can try those external anti-virus to clean this mess, and/or format and re-install.

Oh wait, they're dummies also, you sir, are the ALL KNOWING COMPUTER WIZ. If I was you, i wouldn't worry about losing brain cells, you actually need to have them in the first place for that. Have fun

Joined June 7.
5TF4RJPD55 wrote: »
Unfortunately, XIGNCODE3 might be responsible for me being locked out of Tera entirely. Ever since the X3 patch was added, I get a crash to desktop whenever I try to launch the game.

I've filed a support ticket and followed all the instructions on the support website; I even uninstalled my antivirus and Razer Synapse software to see if that would let me play. So far, nothing has worked.

It would be funny if it wasn't such a pain in the backside. I came back to Tera a couple of weeks ago, spent a fair amount of money buying a collector's edition, and now I'm likely being screwed over by an anti-cheat program when I've never run a cheat on my computer.

If this isn't fixed in a few days I'll have to try getting a refund for the money I spent on a game I can't play. That should be fun. >.>

Good luck buddy, i have to format a laptop for that same reason, ans since that crap is installed in my second windows advised me to format that one as well. Good luck with your refund lol
TERA PC - General Discussion#142 Vasy86le06/09/2018, 08:52 AM
What`s the point to add Xingcode if proxy still works? i talk with ppl and they say can bypas xingode without bypas, nice job enmase, you solve cheaters problem.
it doesn't block proxies yet, in a potential future update (based on kTera) it might.
Equitas wrote: »
FEY3TX9579 wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

Nah I'd rather not lose brain cells reading your nonsense since you have 0 understanding about computers and proving it after thinking just because you don't add a 1 on xhunter means it will not show in search results. Have fun.

Hey genius, wannabe computer Einstein. How come i had a blue screen in 1 of my laptops? My drivers are all [filtered] up, half the stuff dont start, and i get a xhunter1 in windows registry. Was finally able to get someone by text message at windows, and funny thing is... they know very well this [filtered] Xign crap and that xhunter1 [filtered] file. If a roll back before update doesn't fix the problem, i can try those external anti-virus to clean this mess, and/or format and re-install.

Oh wait, they're dummies also, you sir, are the ALL KNOWING COMPUTER WIZ. If I was you, i wouldn't worry about losing brain cells, you actually need to have them in the first place for that. Have fun

Joined June 7.


Perfect example of a dumb [filtered] nimrod with 1 digit IQ.
News flash: You really think all the people on the forum, are using their real login? HELL NO
You cry babies don't react very well to people telling you the truth. Therefore different account for forums to prevent a ban. Yes, i still might come back, if this good for nothing anti-cheat is removed. I was spending 140$ a month, so i did kind of like the game.
FEY3TX9579 wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

Nah I'd rather not lose brain cells reading your nonsense since you have 0 understanding about computers and proving it after thinking just because you don't add a 1 on xhunter means it will not show in search results. Have fun.

Hey genius, wannabe computer Einstein. How come i had a blue screen in 1 of my laptops? My drivers are all [filtered] up, half the stuff dont start, and i get a xhunter1 in windows registry. Was finally able to get someone by text message at windows, and funny thing is... they know very well this [filtered] Xign crap and that xhunter1 [filtered] file. If a roll back before update doesn't fix the problem, i can try those external anti-virus to clean this mess, and/or format and re-install.

Oh wait, they're dummies also, you sir, are the ALL KNOWING COMPUTER WIZ. If I was you, i wouldn't worry about losing brain cells, you actually need to have them in the first place for that. Have fun

you're the dumbass who let it install instead of having a way around it being installed at all when it was announced that it was going to be in the patch lol
TERA PC - General Discussion#146 Peorth06/09/2018, 09:16 AM
If we all bypass XC, Eme will think that everything is fine. If you want to make yourself heard, don't log in until they reverse this stuff.
Don't solve their problems with Tos violating stuff.
TERA PC - General Discussion#147 Equitas06/09/2018, 09:23 AM
FEY3TX9579 wrote: »
Perfect example of a dumb [filtered] nimrod with 1 digit IQ.
News flash: You really think all the people on the forum, are using their real login? HELL NO
You cry babies don't react very well to people telling you the truth. Therefore different account for forums to prevent a ban. Yes, i still might come back, if this good for nothing anti-cheat is removed. I was spending 140$ a month, so i did kind of like the game.

I don't know how you can legitimately feel comfortable calling me a "dumb [filtered] nimrod with 1 digit IQ." You don't even know how to properly use the quote system. It's also clear that you don't know how to use a computer, because your apps are supposedly faulting out and you supposed blue-screened. XIGNCODE doesn't do that. You were either negligent with your hard drive, altered or deleted something you weren't supposed to, or your hard drive has reached the end of its life. I highly doubt you had any correspondence with Windows. If you did, and they did say what you claim they did, it's because they have so little faith in you that the only hope was to just start from scratch.

I don't know how you can legitimately feel comfortable calling me, and the other sensible people in this thread, "cry babies" and have the audacity to think you are telling the truth. We are the ones trying to wipe the tears away and shake some logic and reasoning into the actual "cry babies" here. You stand among them. You are a liar who is resorting to fabricating details of your experience to fit in with the crowd and get some acceptance. "I was spending 140$ a month" Yeah, I'm sure you were. Just not on this. I can tell by your general manner that you don't make enough money to have anywhere near that level of disposable income.

I don't know why I'm responding to you. It's clear you're a troll. You've already admitted to creating an account so your main wouldn't get banned, which means you know you're doing something wrong. You've probably gotten banned already. That would mean you're using an alternate account to circumvent a ban, which is against En Masse's policy. I think we should see how they feel about that.
someone ban this FEY3TX9579 guy. No constructive dialog, only emotions and no any single proof.
I unknowingly had this xhunter1.sys file on my PC from late 2017 but I haven't seen anything abnormal with my PC since then. Since I already have this file now, could updating TERA with Thursday's patch still pose a risk to my PC or would it be fine to update?
TERA PC - General Discussion#150 ElinUsagi06/09/2018, 11:46 AM
Synnestraa wrote: »
I unknowingly had this xhunter1.sys file on my PC from late 2017 but I haven't seen anything abnormal with my PC since then. Since I already have this file now, could updating TERA with Thursday's patch still pose a risk to my PC or would it be fine to update?

If you havent had any issues before then it wont be any issues for you if you update TERA.

I have been playing games that use Xigncode for more than 2 years and never had any issues on more than 4 diferent machines.
Synnestraa wrote: »
I unknowingly had this xhunter1.sys file on my PC from late 2017 but I haven't seen anything abnormal with my PC since then. Since I already have this file now, could updating TERA with Thursday's patch still pose a risk to my PC or would it be fine to update?

It behaves differently on every machine, and every implementation seems to be different. From what I can tell, it's basically random. Having it installed does nothing if it's not being called by anything - it only runs while TERA is running, for instance. So fire TERA up and if you notice bad performance and/or crashes as so many do.. maybe wait for an official answer before continuing.
Synnestraa wrote: »
I unknowingly had this xhunter1.sys file on my PC from late 2017 but I haven't seen anything abnormal with my PC since then. Since I already have this file now, could updating TERA with Thursday's patch still pose a risk to my PC or would it be fine to update?

It's fine to update so long as you're not concerned by an invasion of privacy or potential security risk.
Many are complaining about a drop in performance and serious technical issues, but there is no current evidence of malicious behaviour.
Everything is installed into the TERA\Client\Binaries\XIGNCODE and nothing is installed into Windows.
The anti-cheat process is only active while the client is active which I have personally verified.

The issue is mostly whether you're comfortable with having this on your computer.
It probably won't harm you or your computer, but it's a step in the wrong direction in terms of privacy.
TERA PC - General Discussion#153 Kinoshi06/09/2018, 01:16 PM
It behaves differently on every machine, and every implementation seems to be different. From what I can tell, it's basically random. Having it installed does nothing if it's not being called by anything - it only runs while TERA is running, for instance. So fire TERA up and if you notice bad performance and/or crashes as so many do.. maybe wait for an official answer before continuing.

Seems to be the case. I tried it last night and experienced no slowdowns or issues. CPU usage appears the same when monitored using MSI Afterburner in game. Didn't even complain about my SweetFX or Xpadder so they must be "white-listed". The driver doesn't appear as xhunter1.sys for me, it's listed as "xxd-0.xem in Task Manager and uses about 1400K RAM so pretty minimal.

Still not liking it though since I have no idea what it's scanning and what information it's collecting. Plus the pop-up that appears in the task bar when you launch the game looks shady as hell; just very unprofessional looking.
to every last one of you defending xigncode frickery(i extend this to even GMs)

point me 4 positive/pros points about it,i dare you
and why it should stay
lets see if cons and pros balance out

if there are none then why bother having it in first place
Why someone should point you something? Better to point it to eme then.

P.s. With love, against this soft.
4MWWPH9LXE wrote: »
to every last one of you defending xigncode frickery(i extend this to even GMs)

point me 4 positive/pros points about it,i dare you
and why it should stay
lets see if cons and pros balance out

if there are none then why bother having it in first place

I see nothing positive about forcing this rootkit on the player base.
Why someone should point you something? Better to point it to eme then.

P.s. With love, against this soft.


to make us see "their" view
if they are so keen on defending it then show us why
TERA PC - General Discussion#158 Equitas06/09/2018, 05:35 PM
4MWWPH9LXE wrote: »
to every last one of you defending xigncode frickery(i extend this to even GMs)

point me 4 positive/pros points about it,i dare you
and why it should stay
lets see if cons and pros balance out

if there are none then why bother having it in first place

I don't know that anyone is necessarily defending this program. There are those of us who are trying to clear up some misconceptions, and outright lies, about it. It's not a "virus". It's not "malware". A total of zero computers have blue-screened because of it. It doesn't hog system resources, running at 1,364KB (1.3MB). It doesn't conflict with software you'd need to be launching alongside TERA, such as Discord or your browser. It isn't stealing your private information. Here are the problems that actually do exist:
  • There was no communication about XIGNCODE deployment from En Masse staff. The "community" had to find out secondhand, which makes this situation look a lot more shady than it needed to.
  • It's ineffective. Gold sellers are still in chat. I don't notice them quite as often now, but that could just be timing. I can't speak to XIGNCODE's effectiveness against whatever other cheats exists for TERA.
  • It apparently prevents people on operating systems other than Windows from playing the game. Linux and Mac users can't play TERA because XIGNCODE won't run properly, or at all, on these systems. That has to be functioning properly in order for TERA to run, unless you want to deploy a 3rd-party workaround that isn't authorized by En Masse or Bluehole Studios.

I don't care so much for this anti-cheat system as I do the facts. I can understand not wanting it around, but building a case off misinformation is not a good way to get EME to budge on their stance of leaving it in the game.
I'm pretty sure I've seen reports of computers that required a reinstallation of the OS after the xigncode debacle, though. If I'm correct about xigncode being a rootkit, it has no business being a requirement to play a game. Also, if it is a rootkit, one wouldn't necessarily be able to tell what it is doing from within the infected OS. This would be because it has owned the system.
TERA PC - General Discussion#160 kubitoid06/09/2018, 07:48 PM
seems like among western publishers only eme took step to implement xign while tera eu and tera ru didnt
I been reading the chat about XIGNCODE for days. I've not risked nor will i risk updating my TERA and having that thing run in the background scanning my personal files. Just taking a break from TERA until they remove it or the game closes up its doors. I thought it would be harder to quit but turns out its pretty easy when faced the risk of having your PC infected with a korean rootkit that scans and corrupts private files.

One strange thing i noticed reading the hundreds of posts is two people aggressively defending this, and only two people. Equitas and
ElinUsagi. I'm not sure if they are the same person or people who work for EME. But if i had to guess they are different people since Equitas isn't a fanatic like the other person in defending it and has not as much blindly defended this malware rootkit. Just odd theres literally 2 people who love XIGNCODE being installed and scanning their files, while 99% of the other people don't want it anywhere near their systems.

Just strange if these people aren't EME employees or friends of employees because i have no idea why anyone would offer so much of their free time to help defend bad business practices of a company. If ElinUsagi isn't being paid to lobby for this malware, they should be, i've never seen such blind dedication and misdirection.

You guys realize there was a bypass literally before this thing was even applied to the launcher right? And from what i read in the discord even the proxy injection works as do every single illegal mod that worked before this rootkit was introduced. Not sure how many people are on hold or quit the game completely but in my wide view of it, seems not worth it unless they somehow are profiting from the data they are mining with this "anticheat" thing.

Just a sidenote, i played the game since its launch and have spend around 1000-1500 dollars through 3 active accounts i use. So i'm not a freeloader and it does hurt me to witness the death of TERA. This game has suffered permanent damage and been lead down a bad path from it poor leadership at Bluehole. No doubt Bluehole to blame since i've seen how poorly they run Pubg and how much they panic when Fortnite took over.
kubitoid wrote: »
seems like among western publishers only eme took step to implement xign while tera eu and tera ru didnt

That is why I'm thinking of moving to TERA EU. Demanding that players let their systems get owned may work in Korea. Luckily, it seems to not work so well in the west. Still giving EME a bit more time to at least make an official statement about this, though. At any rate, in the least, I'll be more wary about trusting EME after this rootkit debacle.
TERA PC - General Discussion#163 Naru200806/09/2018, 08:46 PM
kubitoid wrote: »
seems like among western publishers only eme took step to implement xign while tera eu and tera ru didnt

Most are quoting EU as being illegal, though it isn't exactly illegal, but it is due to the most recent law changes in EU slowing down their process of adding it.

As for RU, I would wait to see if their next 'update' includes it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#164 vkobe06/09/2018, 09:07 PM
Naru2008 wrote: »
kubitoid wrote: »
seems like among western publishers only eme took step to implement xign while tera eu and tera ru didnt

Most are quoting EU as being illegal, though it isn't exactly illegal, but it is due to the most recent law changes in EU slowing down their process of adding it.

As for RU, I would wait to see if their next 'update' includes it.

but black desert and blade and soul euro use xingcode :3
I feel like some people are spreading misinformation about TERA EU on here. While it is conceivable that they could add xigncode, I've yet to see any real evidence to suggest that they are planning to. The uproar with TERA NA over xigncode shows that forcing rootkits on the player base is not as palatable in the west as it is in Korea. I suspect GameForge isn't foolish enough to start demanding that their players get their systems owned if they want to play TERA EU.
Why there is ppl in favor of Xingcode here? I dont understand.
This is NOT dealing with ANY cheater. Because,Proxy, meters and Cheat Engine are stil working as ever.

The only noticeable thing is the fps drops.
Why there is ppl in favor of Xingcode here? I dont understand.
This is NOT dealing with ANY cheater. Because,Proxy, meters and Cheat Engine are stil working as ever.

The only noticeable thing is the fps drops.

Personally, I suspect ulterior motives may be involved, but I'm really not sure.
TERA PC - General Discussion#168 ElinUsagi06/09/2018, 11:13 PM
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Why there is ppl in favor of Xingcode here? I dont understand.
This is NOT dealing with ANY cheater. Because,Proxy, meters and Cheat Engine are stil working as ever.

The only noticeable thing is the fps drops.

There is no people in favor of Xigncode.

It is a matter of EME doing a bad choice that everyone that has talked about Xigncode has accepted.

The only things that have been discused is about paranoid remarks from some people that doesnt even know what Xigncode really does.

If you read all the post you will notice that everyone wonder why EME make this decision and everyone knew this thing will fail to achieve what is suposed to do.
I'm wondering why we haven't heard from EME about this rootkit debacle since the xigncode fallout started. I've seen pretty dire reports of IMS queues that used to be very speedy being dead and velika being close to a ghost town.
TERA PC - General Discussion#170 ElinUsagi06/09/2018, 11:31 PM
RandomElin wrote: »
I'm wondering why we haven't heard from EME about this rootkit debacle since the xigncode fallout started. I've seen pretty dire reports of IMS queues that used to be very speedy being dead and velika being close to a ghost town.

Yeah, me too.

I wonder what was exactly what made EME to get Xigncode for TERA and what they really want to acomplish with it when most people over the internet knows this software is not eficient at all.

I know that even if they would explain their motive some players will make more drama about it, however that would be better becuase it could apease most players insecurities about what is hapening.

Sadly all of this make us think that EME is waiting for this matter to get burried and forgoten letin pass the time. Something not nice to do. u_u
RandomElin wrote: »
I'm wondering why we haven't heard from EME about this rootkit debacle since the xigncode fallout started. I've seen pretty dire reports of IMS queues that used to be very speedy being dead and velika being close to a ghost town.

they don't have to respond to us. its their game their rules. that has been showed to us time and time again, and no matter how much we complain, they don't have to do anything. its sad to say it that way but its true.
but....in defense of eme they probably had to implement some sort of program for anti cheating to show whoever they are trying to appease that they have something in place and are trying.
but..the way they came out with a post about it at the last minute, looked kinda bad for them to others. it makes people wonder that if it wasn't leaked if eme would have told us ahead of time about it or would they have let it go through on the down low. we will never really know for sure.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
I'm wondering why we haven't heard from EME about this rootkit debacle since the xigncode fallout started. I've seen pretty dire reports of IMS queues that used to be very speedy being dead and velika being close to a ghost town.

Yeah, me too.

I wonder what was exactly what made EME to get Xigncode for TERA and what they really want to acomplish with it when most people over the internet knows this software is not eficient at all.

I know that even if they would explain their motive some players will make more drama about it, however that would be better becuase it could apease most players insecurities about what is hapening.

Sadly all of this make us think that EME is waiting for this matter to get burried and forgoten letin pass the time. Something not nice to do. u_u

I'm hoping it is something like Bluehole pressured EME into it, and EME is currently trying to explain to Bluehole why xigncode isn't needed. I really don't know what's up with EME, though.
TERA PC - General Discussion#173 ElinUsagi06/09/2018, 11:40 PM
RandomElin wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
I'm wondering why we haven't heard from EME about this rootkit debacle since the xigncode fallout started. I've seen pretty dire reports of IMS queues that used to be very speedy being dead and velika being close to a ghost town.

Yeah, me too.

I wonder what was exactly what made EME to get Xigncode for TERA and what they really want to acomplish with it when most people over the internet knows this software is not eficient at all.

I know that even if they would explain their motive some players will make more drama about it, however that would be better becuase it could apease most players insecurities about what is hapening.

Sadly all of this make us think that EME is waiting for this matter to get burried and forgoten letin pass the time. Something not nice to do. u_u

I'm hoping it is something like Bluehole pressured EME into it, and EME is currently trying to explain to Bluehole why xigncode isn't needed. I really don't know what's up with EME, though.

I am pretty sure BHS presure EME into it, however I don't think EME will try to rebuke this idea about Xigncode.

Sadly I think Xigncode won't leave TERA and people that has false positives will have to make a choice between bypass it or quit playing TERA.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
I'm wondering why we haven't heard from EME about this rootkit debacle since the xigncode fallout started. I've seen pretty dire reports of IMS queues that used to be very speedy being dead and velika being close to a ghost town.

Yeah, me too.

I wonder what was exactly what made EME to get Xigncode for TERA and what they really want to acomplish with it when most people over the internet knows this software is not eficient at all.

I know that even if they would explain their motive some players will make more drama about it, however that would be better becuase it could apease most players insecurities about what is hapening.

Sadly all of this make us think that EME is waiting for this matter to get burried and forgoten letin pass the time. Something not nice to do. u_u

I'm hoping it is something like Bluehole pressured EME into it, and EME is currently trying to explain to Bluehole why xigncode isn't needed. I really don't know what's up with EME, though.

I am pretty sure BHS presure EME into it, however I don't think EME will try to rebuke this idea about Xigncode.

Sadly I think Xigncode won't leave TERA and people that has false positives will have to make a choice between bypass it or quit playing TERA.

Doesn't explain why it looks like EME tried to sneak xigncode in, though. Now I'm wondering if EME may have been trying to get out of pushing it out, and that is why they waited til the last minute to announce it. In any case, it is conceivable that the fallout may be enough to get xigncode pulled out. Hard to say if EME will actually remove xigncode from TERA NA, though. Requiring installing a rootkit to play a game really doesn't sit well with me (and many others base on what I've been seeing).

At any rate, there is at least one xigncode-free TERA option if TERA NA turns out to be stuck with xigncode.
Equitas wrote: »
FEY3TX9579 wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

Nah I'd rather not lose brain cells reading your nonsense since you have 0 understanding about computers and proving it after thinking just because you don't add a 1 on xhunter means it will not show in search results. Have fun.

Hey genius, wannabe computer Einstein. How come i had a blue screen in 1 of my laptops? My drivers are all [filtered] up, half the stuff dont start, and i get a xhunter1 in windows registry. Was finally able to get someone by text message at windows, and funny thing is... they know very well this [filtered] Xign crap and that xhunter1 [filtered] file. If a roll back before update doesn't fix the problem, i can try those external anti-virus to clean this mess, and/or format and re-install.

Oh wait, they're dummies also, you sir, are the ALL KNOWING COMPUTER WIZ. If I was you, i wouldn't worry about losing brain cells, you actually need to have them in the first place for that. Have fun

Joined June 7.[/q
Equitas wrote: »
FEY3TX9579 wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Please read my posts and you will understand everything! Perhaps your computer is easier to break into, so it doesn't create that kernel dump of a file? Theoretically it could make sense. If I had it on my computer, I can't explain it!

Nah I'd rather not lose brain cells reading your nonsense since you have 0 understanding about computers and proving it after thinking just because you don't add a 1 on xhunter means it will not show in search results. Have fun.

Hey genius, wannabe computer Einstein. How come i had a blue screen in 1 of my laptops? My drivers are all [filtered] up, half the stuff dont start, and i get a xhunter1 in windows registry. Was finally able to get someone by text message at windows, and funny thing is... they know very well this [filtered] Xign crap and that xhunter1 [filtered] file. If a roll back before update doesn't fix the problem, i can try those external anti-virus to clean this mess, and/or format and re-install.

Oh wait, they're dummies also, you sir, are the ALL KNOWING COMPUTER WIZ. If I was you, i wouldn't worry about losing brain cells, you actually need to have them in the first place for that. Have fun

Joined June 7.
Equitas wrote: »
FEY3TX9579 wrote: »
Perfect example of a dumb [filtered] nimrod with 1 digit IQ.
News flash: You really think all the people on the forum, are using their real login? HELL NO
You cry babies don't react very well to people telling you the truth. Therefore different account for forums to prevent a ban. Yes, i still might come back, if this good for nothing anti-cheat is removed. I was spending 140$ a month, so i did kind of like the game.

I don't know how you can legitimately feel comfortable calling me a "dumb [filtered] nimrod with 1 digit IQ." You don't even know how to properly use the quote system. It's also clear that you don't know how to use a computer, because your apps are supposedly faulting out and you supposed blue-screened. XIGNCODE doesn't do that. You were either negligent with your hard drive, altered or deleted something you weren't supposed to, or your hard drive has reached the end of its life. I highly doubt you had any correspondence with Windows. If you did, and they did say what you claim they did, it's because they have so little faith in you that the only hope was to just start from scratch.

I don't know how you can legitimately feel comfortable calling me, and the other sensible people in this thread, "cry babies" and have the audacity to think you are telling the truth. We are the ones trying to wipe the tears away and shake some logic and reasoning into the actual "cry babies" here. You stand among them. You are a liar who is resorting to fabricating details of your experience to fit in with the crowd and get some acceptance. "I was spending 140$ a month" Yeah, I'm sure you were. Just not on this. I can tell by your general manner that you don't make enough money to have anywhere near that level of disposable income.

I don't know why I'm responding to you. It's clear you're a troll. You've already admitted to creating an account so your main wouldn't get banned, which means you know you're doing something wrong. You've probably gotten banned already. That would mean you're using an alternate account to circumvent a ban, which is against En Masse's policy. I think we should see how they feel about that.

You're even a bigger moron than expected. Hey dumb [filtered] [filtered], a small research in Google, and it's obvious what this crap Xign does. Even Windows reps know of the fake [filtered] driver Xign installs, since they had numerous complaints about it. Both laptops are running like clockwork, just like this stupid update. NO BLUE SCREEN. And by the way, my salary was already in the six digits 15 years ago. Ask someone with a brain, with a minimum increase what could be my income. So 140$ a month for 3 people playing TERA was actually cheap. World of Warcraft was costing me 100$ a week, now that was a big chunk

Now shove your comment up your ignorant [filtered], i had enough of responding to a mental [filtered]. Have fun with the long queues.
someone ban this FEY3TX9579 guy. No constructive dialog, only emotions and no any single proof.

no any single proof ????? You obviously missed elementary school today. You want proof, Google it and stop being a lazy snowflake.
They wont get rid of it even after the fallout cause we got players supporting xigncode and people will still play it but thing is eme would probly think its a success but the ones that got thru used the bypass like I mentioned before so the fallout wont matter cause those who bypassed would still play and eme wouldnt look to the downfall that players quitted and all thats left are the ones using exploits and there's no panic here I bypassed the xigncode but its a bore that most of the games population fell cause they dislike such program within their pc so I eventually quitted and as for my friends a guild that has around 30players online mostly everyday bu due to the mixed decision within my members they just faded you may say 30 players isnt so big but every bit of us count cause we built your community without us playing your product youll end up like Bless online on its wake and I think we have a say to our cause that we hold 60% of the choice if we want a stupid useless program cause those players you owe em for they spent their money on your [filtered] and your basicly being selfish to em
TERA PC - General Discussion#178 MistyTera06/10/2018, 03:22 AM
I proved a blue-screen with XIGNCODE by some users with Blade&Soul and BlackDesert. It caused BSOD DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL with xhunter1, theoretical causing because of no-permission. Xhunter1 is linked to Wellbia.

We all know XIGNCODE is a rootkit and it will do anything to do its task! XIGNCODE is an anti-cheat system implemented that often can create conflicts with files! If it reads your system fine, I don't know why it causes problems for other people? People are locked out of the game for no reason at all, which is a problem! This ANTI-CHEAT SOFTWARE has flaws and it's a joke! A TOTAL JOKE! We want it gone! XIGNCODE NEVER HAS SOLVED THE HACKS THAT ARE ALWAYS BEEN PRESENT! What EME/BHS needs to know is how these hacks are functioned. EME/BHS need to search themselves on the causes of these hacks that are present and protect us that way! If EME/BHS fixed a chat invulnerability, I'm sure we don't need some intrusive XIGNCODE! THAT IS ALL!


TERA PC - General Discussion#179 Ellexem06/10/2018, 03:25 AM
RandomElin wrote: »
I'm hoping it is something like Bluehole pressured EME into it, and EME is currently trying to explain to Bluehole why xigncode isn't needed. I really don't know what's up with EME, though.

If I understand it correctly, it's more a case of TERA was the only EME product that was not yet using it. AVA, Closers, Kritika Online. All of them seem to have it. PUBG, which EME seems to do support work for, has it.

Please note that it hasn't been an existential crisis for any of them, as far as I can tell. Problem free? Not at all, going by the various issues google brings up about errors, but certainly not the end of the games.

So, really, none of this will be seen as more than baseless paranoia combined with endless complaining. (All of the talk about xhunter1.sys in the Windows folder kind of goes nowhere when the TERA implementation seems to not use that.)

Not that that makes any of the optics involved any better. That startup screen of XIGNCODE3 alone does absolutely nothing to help with impressions, since it always brings to mind the following for me:

"I'm the third-rate store detective, following your every move, watching all of your interactions. The moment you do something I'm on to you. Discreet? Hostile environment? Harrying legitimate customers? Are those exploits? Those totally are exploits!"
Ellexem wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
I'm hoping it is something like Bluehole pressured EME into it, and EME is currently trying to explain to Bluehole why xigncode isn't needed. I really don't know what's up with EME, though.

If I understand it correctly, it's more a case of TERA was the only EME product that was not yet using it. AVA, Closers, Kritika Online. All of them seem to have it. PUBG, which EME seems to do support work for, has it.

Please note that it hasn't been an existential crisis for any of them, as far as I can tell. Problem free? Not at all, going by the various issues google brings up about errors, but certainly not the end of the games.

So, really, none of this will be seen as more than baseless paranoia combined with endless complaining. (All of the talk about xhunter1.sys in the Windows folder kind of goes nowhere when the TERA implementation seems to not use that.)

Not that that makes any of the optics involved any better. That startup screen of XIGNCODE3 alone does absolutely nothing to help with impressions, since it always brings to mind the following for me:

"I'm the third-rate store detective, following your every move, watching all of your interactions. The moment you do something I'm on to you. Discreet? Hostile environment? Harrying legitimate customers? Are those exploits? Those totally are exploits!"

It's all good if they want to put it on TERA just because all their games use it, but at least tailor TERA's implementation to not interfere with TERA. scanning memory? okay, fine, causes a few crashes and false positives, but whatever it doesn't really interfere too bad. It still wouldn't catch any cheats, but fine. Scanning every single hard drive and phone and mp3 player and network drive connected to my computer while tera is running uses such an immense amount of resources that tera basically stalls out at random, it's a bad joke. A game that already needs to be restarted constantly because of memory leaks and frame drops does not need a third-party program added on which causes memory leaks and frame drops. I don't even care about the privacy concerns or the possibility of other malicious programs hijacking xigncode's terribly written program. I just want tera to perform similarly or better than it did last week. As of now I spend half my time in dungeons going on rants about how shite xign is because i can't use any skills for 5-10 seconds at a time while it does whatever the hell it's doing.
TERA PC - General Discussion#181 MistyTera06/10/2018, 03:58 AM
I TOLD YOU! WHICH I CAN'T EXPLAIN! It's access violation as it makes sense! If you really want to look it up for yourself. May 29,2018. XIGNCODE is just a poor written piece of intrusive anti-hack software! Right now, I'm tired of playing detective! I'm just going to take it as that some computers work much differently than others. When XIGNCODE runs and reads files, it tries to read, but instead it creates an access violation with some file(s). If there is no-permission or access violation with some file(s)? Windows crashes to blue screen to prevent damage. What well security computers are supposed to do! So DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL makes sense in this case, which I showed actual proof of. I'm no computer expert, but I know it makes sense to me of what I observe from sources! I don't know what to actually tell why it happens to some people? People actually concurred with me. XIGNCODE is just that brute of intrusive! We all know that our computers run so differently than some others. Our drivers work different. That's all I can explain. Since people have issues, that's a problem in my book!

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I found that closed huge thread in the forum and read all the way through, same with this one. I haven’t opened TERA ever since and have not downloaded the patch.

I’m not a tech person at all. What I gather from all the info provided is that this Xingading probably doesn’t do most of what it is accused of. It doesn’t help getting rid of cheating either. So from my point of view it is useless.

BUT it is a rootkit! Sorry EME, I simply won’t install a rootkit on my PC that I use mainly for work and also for banking. Not because I think that Korean company will steal my data but because this opens a back door for other malicious software if said company happens to get hacked, which is quite common these days. I debated that I might try and get an old PC to work again and install TERA on it IF I find the time and also the space in my crowded office. But somehow I really don’t want to have so much trouble just for a game. So I probably just stay away unless you decide to get rid of the xingcode addition – which you will not as it clearly appears so far. I will follow the forum discussions for a few more days – hope dies last – but somehow I know that’s it because you will stick to it.

If I leave, that is no loss at all for the community as I was a very casual player and due to lack of time, sometimes for weeks, and very irregular working hours I never really had much contact with other players. The people in the guild I had joined all wandered off to other games anyway. For me it was still fine to play TERA. I totally enjoyed the fighting animations and the amazing world, the quest lines as far as I leveled was interesting enough and I loved the costumes and mounts. I was really into that and spent quite some money because I had such fun with it. So if I don’t come back it will be an expensive lesson I learned with my exploration of a Korean game. And it is kind of bitter since I just used a 3-month elite voucher a few days ago to try leveling a gunner and whatever class they will do such an event for next. Well, sh*t happens. :/

So this post is really for EME. I wanted you to know it seems you lost an easy going customer, easy going because I was content with what was provided. And looking at my expenses so far and my usual habits, you lost a costumer who is willing to spend more or less 1000 $ a year for a game he has really fun with. Well, I know it doesn’t matter ‘cause a lot of people still stay. But I nevertheless wanted you to know.
I wouldn't necessarily give up hope of EME removing xigncode quite yet. I do not believe EME has even given out an official statement about this rootkit disaster after the fallout started. If they were positively going to leave it in, I would think they would have simply said so by now. That they haven't makes me think that something may be going on behind the scenes. Of course, I don't know what the chances of EME removing xigncode actually are.
TERA PC - General Discussion#184 Xerses06/10/2018, 06:38 AM
I just want to say thanks for this update EME. I haven't realized how much fun I was missing out on Monster Hunter World. Been farming Lunastra along with collecting golden weapons from the Kulve Taroth raids. I also installed a new free to play game on playstation 4 called Dungeon Defenders 2 which has been really fun. I even purchased some loot boxes on DD2, I know you know how much I've enjoyed my loot boxes over the years. Sucks, we could have been spending the weekend together like old times. Oh whale

TERA PC - General Discussion#185 Equitas06/10/2018, 06:56 AM
RandomElin wrote: »
I'm pretty sure I've seen reports of computers that required a reinstallation of the OS after the xigncode debacle, though. If I'm correct about xigncode being a rootkit, it has no business being a requirement to play a game. Also, if it is a rootkit, one wouldn't necessarily be able to tell what it is doing from within the infected OS. This would be because it has owned the system.

"infected OS"

It's like you people don't listen. I know it isn't likely it'll do any good for me to explain this for what feels like the hundredth time, but I'll try anyway. Literally zero people have needed to reinstall their operating system. The most likely scenario is they rendered their computer inoperable by messing around with settings and files, attempting to remove this program after succumbing to paranoia, whilst having absolutely zero clue what they're doing. Either that, or they just wiped the slate clean because they believe that's the only way to remove XIGNCODE.
kubitoid wrote: »
seems like among western publishers only eme took step to implement xign while tera eu and tera ru didnt

En Masse is under direct control of Bluehole Studios, whereas the European and Russian publishers are not. Having to submit directly to the developer means that EME has far less autonomy than Gameforge and Destiny Games.
I been reading the chat about XIGNCODE for days. I've not risked nor will i risk updating my TERA and having that thing run in the background scanning my personal files. Just taking a break from TERA until they remove it or the game closes up its doors. I thought it would be harder to quit but turns out its pretty easy when faced the risk of having your PC infected with a korean rootkit that scans and corrupts private files.

One strange thing i noticed reading the hundreds of posts is two people aggressively defending this, and only two people. Equitas and
ElinUsagi. I'm not sure if they are the same person or people who work for EME. But if i had to guess they are different people since Equitas isn't a fanatic like the other person in defending it and has not as much blindly defended this malware rootkit. Just odd theres literally 2 people who love XIGNCODE being installed and scanning their files, while 99% of the other people don't want it anywhere near their systems.

Just strange if these people aren't EME employees or friends of employees because i have no idea why anyone would offer so much of their free time to help defend bad business practices of a company. If ElinUsagi isn't being paid to lobby for this malware, they should be, i've never seen such blind dedication and misdirection.

You guys realize there was a bypass literally before this thing was even applied to the launcher right? And from what i read in the discord even the proxy injection works as do every single illegal mod that worked before this rootkit was introduced. Not sure how many people are on hold or quit the game completely but in my wide view of it, seems not worth it unless they somehow are profiting from the data they are mining with this "anticheat" thing.

Just a sidenote, i played the game since its launch and have spend around 1000-1500 dollars through 3 active accounts i use. So i'm not a freeloader and it does hurt me to witness the death of TERA. This game has suffered permanent damage and been lead down a bad path from it poor leadership at Bluehole. No doubt Bluehole to blame since i've seen how poorly they run Pubg and how much they panic when Fortnite took over.

Joined June 9. Just figured I'd start with this, considering that's the second account that's popped up in the midst of this that only served to propagate misinformation and incite unnecessary panic.

"infected"
"corrupts private files"
"malware rootkit"
"malware"
"data ... mining"

You want to talk about misdirection, I just listed 5 instances where you were guilty of it. That's not including the bits where you made a laughable claim about me "aggressively defending" XIGNCODE, suggesting that I'm posting in the same thread on two accounts, suggesting that I work for this company, that I'm "blindly defending" anything, claiming that I "love XIGNCODE being installed", backpedaling and claiming that I must be friends of the employees, implying that Usagi is being paid for anything relating to this game or the newly implemented program, and once again claiming "blind dedication" while adding "misdirection". Usagi has shown people the negligible impact on system resources. I've corrected people constantly on their misinformed rhetoric. That doesn't mean anyone is defending this program. As I've said before:

"I don't care so much for this anti-cheat system as I do the facts. I can understand not wanting it around, but building a case off misinformation is not a good way to get EME to budge on their stance of leaving it in the game."
Why there is ppl in favor of Xingcode here? I dont understand.

Would *facepalm* be an out of line response to this? Because that's how I feel.
FEY3TX9579 wrote: »
You're even a bigger moron than expected. Hey dumb [filtered] [filtered], a small research in Google, and it's obvious what this crap Xign does. Even Windows reps know of the fake [filtered] driver Xign installs, since they had numerous complaints about it. Both laptops are running like clockwork, just like this stupid update. NO BLUE SCREEN. And by the way, my salary was already in the six digits 15 years ago. Ask someone with a brain, with a minimum increase what could be my income. So 140$ a month for 3 people playing TERA was actually cheap. World of Warcraft was costing me 100$ a week, now that was a big chunk

Now shove your comment up your ignorant [filtered], i had enough of responding to a mental [filtered]. Have fun with the long queues.

I'm going to go into a list because you seem to be having difficulties.
  • Haha you still haven't figured out how to use the quote system.
  • You're calling me a moron, when can neither use the quote system properly, nor link me to a reliable source of information that shows exactly how XIGNCODE might be a significant security risk. You're instead throwing around words that end up being censored and insults that make no sense.
  • You're continuing to lie, and marching straight into the continent of cringe by making up an arbitrary amount of money you supposedly made. Nobody cares about what supposedly happened 15 years ago, either. Six digits? Sure, if you counted the two zeros to the right of the decimal. I'd also like to point out that WoW doesn't even cost $100 a month. Not even with two other people that could supposedly tolerate your presence long enough to play anything with you.
Equitas wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
I'm pretty sure I've seen reports of computers that required a reinstallation of the OS after the xigncode debacle, though. If I'm correct about xigncode being a rootkit, it has no business being a requirement to play a game. Also, if it is a rootkit, one wouldn't necessarily be able to tell what it is doing from within the infected OS. This would be because it has owned the system.

"infected OS"

It's like you people don't listen. I know it isn't likely it'll do any good for me to explain this for what feels like the hundredth time, but I'll try anyway. Literally zero people have needed to reinstall their operating system. The most likely scenario is they rendered their computer inoperable by messing around with settings and files, attempting to remove this program after succumbing to paranoia, whilst having absolutely zero clue what they're doing. Either that, or they just wiped the slate clean because they believe that's the only way to remove XIGNCODE.
kubitoid wrote: »
seems like among western publishers only eme took step to implement xign while tera eu and tera ru didnt

En Masse is under direct control of Bluehole Studios, whereas the European and Russian publishers are not. Having to submit directly to the developer means that EME has far less autonomy than Gameforge and Destiny Games.
I been reading the chat about XIGNCODE for days. I've not risked nor will i risk updating my TERA and having that thing run in the background scanning my personal files. Just taking a break from TERA until they remove it or the game closes up its doors. I thought it would be harder to quit but turns out its pretty easy when faced the risk of having your PC infected with a korean rootkit that scans and corrupts private files.

One strange thing i noticed reading the hundreds of posts is two people aggressively defending this, and only two people. Equitas and
ElinUsagi. I'm not sure if they are the same person or people who work for EME. But if i had to guess they are different people since Equitas isn't a fanatic like the other person in defending it and has not as much blindly defended this malware rootkit. Just odd theres literally 2 people who love XIGNCODE being installed and scanning their files, while 99% of the other people don't want it anywhere near their systems.

Just strange if these people aren't EME employees or friends of employees because i have no idea why anyone would offer so much of their free time to help defend bad business practices of a company. If ElinUsagi isn't being paid to lobby for this malware, they should be, i've never seen such blind dedication and misdirection.

You guys realize there was a bypass literally before this thing was even applied to the launcher right? And from what i read in the discord even the proxy injection works as do every single illegal mod that worked before this rootkit was introduced. Not sure how many people are on hold or quit the game completely but in my wide view of it, seems not worth it unless they somehow are profiting from the data they are mining with this "anticheat" thing.

Just a sidenote, i played the game since its launch and have spend around 1000-1500 dollars through 3 active accounts i use. So i'm not a freeloader and it does hurt me to witness the death of TERA. This game has suffered permanent damage and been lead down a bad path from it poor leadership at Bluehole. No doubt Bluehole to blame since i've seen how poorly they run Pubg and how much they panic when Fortnite took over.

Joined June 9. Just figured I'd start with this, considering that's the second account that's popped up in the midst of this that only served to propagate misinformation and incite unnecessary panic.

"infected"
"corrupts private files"
"malware rootkit"
"malware"
"data ... mining"

You want to talk about misdirection, I just listed 5 instances where you were guilty of it. That's not including the bits where you made a laughable claim about me "aggressively defending" XIGNCODE, suggesting that I'm posting in the same thread on two accounts, suggesting that I work for this company, that I'm "blindly defending" anything, claiming that I "love XIGNCODE being installed", backpedaling and claiming that I must be friends of the employees, implying that Usagi is being paid for anything relating to this game or the newly implemented program, and once again claiming "blind dedication" while adding "misdirection". Usagi has shown people the negligible impact on system resources. I've corrected people constantly on their misinformed rhetoric. That doesn't mean anyone is defending this program. As I've said before:

"I don't care so much for this anti-cheat system as I do the facts. I can understand not wanting it around, but building a case off misinformation is not a good way to get EME to budge on their stance of leaving it in the game."
Why there is ppl in favor of Xingcode here? I dont understand.

Would *facepalm* be an out of line response to this? Because that's how I feel.
FEY3TX9579 wrote: »
You're even a bigger moron than expected. Hey dumb [filtered] [filtered], a small research in Google, and it's obvious what this crap Xign does. Even Windows reps know of the fake [filtered] driver Xign installs, since they had numerous complaints about it. Both laptops are running like clockwork, just like this stupid update. NO BLUE SCREEN. And by the way, my salary was already in the six digits 15 years ago. Ask someone with a brain, with a minimum increase what could be my income. So 140$ a month for 3 people playing TERA was actually cheap. World of Warcraft was costing me 100$ a week, now that was a big chunk

Now shove your comment up your ignorant [filtered], i had enough of responding to a mental [filtered]. Have fun with the long queues.

I'm going to go into a list because you seem to be having difficulties.
  • Haha you still haven't figured out how to use the quote system.
  • You're calling me a moron, when can neither use the quote system properly, nor link me to a reliable source of information that shows exactly how XIGNCODE might be a significant security risk. You're instead throwing around words that end up being censored and insults that make no sense.
  • You're continuing to lie, and marching straight into the continent of cringe by making up an arbitrary amount of money you supposedly made. Nobody cares about what supposedly happened 15 years ago, either. Six digits? Sure, if you counted the two zeros to the right of the decimal. I'd also like to point out that WoW doesn't even cost $100 a month. Not even with two other people that could supposedly tolerate your presence long enough to play anything with you.

Except we already have reports of it causing blue screens and trashing systems so badly that it required a reinstall of the OS. Blaming its victims isn't going to help. Infected is the proper term when speaking of rootkit infections. Repeating its not malware, its not malware isn't going to make it so.

I'm not sure all that xigncode is doing, but its nature does seem to be that of a rootkit. As such, I wouldn't count on what the infected OS tells you about it.
RandomElin wrote: »
Except we already have reports of it causing blue screens and trashing systems so badly that it required a reinstall of the OS. Blaming its victims isn't going to help. Infected is the proper term when speaking of rootkit infections. Repeating its not malware, its not malware isn't going to make it so.

I'm not sure all that xigncode is doing, but its nature does seem to be that of a rootkit. As such, I wouldn't count on what the infected OS tells you about it.
A lot of things cause bluescreens, and not everything that causes a bluescreen is malware. Even a simple normal driver for your computer could rarely cause a bluescreen occasionally if it screws up. I don't know why some instances of xigncode3 are causing computers to bluescreen, but I can tell you I know for a fact that it is not intentionally doing that. Screwing up computers is the opposite of what xigncode3 wants to do because then it's client companies would want to switch anti-cheat services. Even though xigncode3 doesn't do it's job anyway and is a intrusive craptastic excuse for an anti-cheat program.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure with the right know-how you could fix a xigncode3 caused bluescreen problem without having to nuke it and reinstall the OS.

Xigncode3 is still garbage and should be given the boot though. :/
Meningitis wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
Except we already have reports of it causing blue screens and trashing systems so badly that it required a reinstall of the OS. Blaming its victims isn't going to help. Infected is the proper term when speaking of rootkit infections. Repeating its not malware, its not malware isn't going to make it so.

I'm not sure all that xigncode is doing, but its nature does seem to be that of a rootkit. As such, I wouldn't count on what the infected OS tells you about it.
A lot of things cause bluescreens, and not everything that causes a bluescreen is malware. Even a simple normal driver for your computer could rarely cause a bluescreen occasionally if it screws up. I don't know why some instances of xigncode3 are causing computers to bluescreen, but I can tell you I know for a fact that it is not intentionally doing that. Screwing up computers is the opposite of what xigncode3 wants to do because then it's client companies would want to switch anti-cheat services. Even though xigncode3 doesn't do it's job anyway and is a intrusive craptastic excuse for an anti-cheat program.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure with the right know-how you could fix a xigncode3 caused bluescreen problem without having to nuke it and reinstall the OS.

Xigncode3 is still garbage and should be given the boot though. :/

actually xigncode just interacts with some drivers badly. if it touches their protected memory at a bad time, that's a blue screen.. in cases like that, you'd have to get a new piece of hardware to correct xigncode's crappy programming. Earlier tonight, xigncode actually managed to crash my router software because it was trying to access the network drive incorrectly. I decided to unplug the drive, since xigncode scanning it causes my tera to hang for significant amounts of time anyway. It's looking like the only way to safely run tera right now is to have a brand new computer not connected to any network storage, with only tera installed and nothing else... Or just download the bypass from reddit and join the cheaters xigncode was trying to stop. :#
actually xigncode just interacts with some drivers badly. if it touches their protected memory at a bad time, that's a blue screen.. in cases like that, you'd have to get a new piece of hardware to correct xigncode's crappy programming. Earlier tonight, xigncode actually managed to crash my router software because it was trying to access the network drive incorrectly. I decided to unplug the drive, since xigncode scanning it causes my tera to hang for significant amounts of time anyway. It's looking like the only way to safely run tera right now is to have a brand new computer not connected to any network storage, with only tera installed and nothing else... Or just download the bypass from reddit and join the cheaters xigncode was trying to stop. :#
Thanks for the explanation penguin. I don't know that much about computers, so it's good to get extra info where I can.
Meningitis wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
Except we already have reports of it causing blue screens and trashing systems so badly that it required a reinstall of the OS. Blaming its victims isn't going to help. Infected is the proper term when speaking of rootkit infections. Repeating its not malware, its not malware isn't going to make it so.

I'm not sure all that xigncode is doing, but its nature does seem to be that of a rootkit. As such, I wouldn't count on what the infected OS tells you about it.
A lot of things cause bluescreens, and not everything that causes a bluescreen is malware. Even a simple normal driver for your computer could rarely cause a bluescreen occasionally if it screws up. I don't know why some instances of xigncode3 are causing computers to bluescreen, but I can tell you I know for a fact that it is not intentionally doing that. Screwing up computers is the opposite of what xigncode3 wants to do because then it's client companies would want to switch anti-cheat services. Even though xigncode3 doesn't do it's job anyway and is a intrusive craptastic excuse for an anti-cheat program.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure with the right know-how you could fix a xigncode3 caused bluescreen problem without having to nuke it and reinstall the OS. People who have screwed up their pc beyond reasonable repair probably are people who were messing around in the registry and such without knowing what they're doing.

Xigncode3 is still garbage and should be given the boot though. :/

Never said that xigncode3 was meant to cause blue screens. That is likely a mishap that it isn't supposed to do. Since it is a rootkit, I'm guessing its messing with the underlying OS and causing problems in some cases as a result. If it was perfect, the player base may very well have been getting their systems owned and not even noticing. Instead, it sounds like it typically at least causes performance issues. Like I said before, I don't know everything that xigncode is actually doing. Xigncode isn't the kind of program that I consider ethical.
They wanted to sneak it in so ppl wouldn't notice it in update and launch their cheat tools. There comes eme and bans all. (that was their plan) Thread about this stuff also one day will fade away from first pages and this means further cheaters will have eye on them.(its their future plan)
The only question : If this $hitty software is able to send proper for bans info to eme or not?
P.s. I understand their wish to deal with cheaters but Still this feels very silly move because bypasses really on every corner and not so hard to use even for unskilled user while ppl leaving due to buggs and fps drops.
RandomElin wrote: »
Never said that xigncode3 was meant to cause blue screens. That is likely a mishap that it isn't supposed to do. Since it is a rootkit, I'm guessing its messing with the underlying OS and causing problems in some cases as a result. If it was perfect, the player base may very well have been getting their systems owned and not even noticing. Instead, it sounds like it typically at least causes performance issues. Like I said before, I don't know everything that xigncode is actually doing. Xigncode isn't the kind of program that I consider ethical.
That raises an interesting point- are there any anti cheat programs out there that actually work that most people would consider ethical? At this point, almost every online game I play uses Xigncode3 or one of it's competitors that seem to operate in a similar manner. Even if xigncode3 functioned well, did it's job, and was secure (lol)- would you consider it necessary to give up some of your privacy to ensure a fair game for everybody? Or is there a much better way to ensure a cheat-free game that isn't so skin-crawlingly intrusive? Or do you think a game's administration should just try to catch cheaters on a case by case basis? I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that.
Meningitis wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
Never said that xigncode3 was meant to cause blue screens. That is likely a mishap that it isn't supposed to do. Since it is a rootkit, I'm guessing its messing with the underlying OS and causing problems in some cases as a result. If it was perfect, the player base may very well have been getting their systems owned and not even noticing. Instead, it sounds like it typically at least causes performance issues. Like I said before, I don't know everything that xigncode is actually doing. Xigncode isn't the kind of program that I consider ethical.
That raises an interesting point- are there any anti cheat programs out there that actually work that most people would consider ethical? At this point, almost every online game I play uses Xigncode3 or one of it's competitors that seem to operate in a similar manner. Even if xigncode3 functioned well, did it's job, and was secure (lol)- would you consider it necessary to give up some of your privacy to ensure a fair game for everybody? Or is there a much better way to ensure a cheat-free game that isn't so skin-crawlingly intrusive? Or do you think a game's administration should just try to catch cheaters on a case by case basis? I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that.

Glad you asked.

I've heard that anti-cheat software does not need to be rootkit by design. The whole rootkit issue is probably my biggest issue with xigncode. Second biggest issue is that it isn't compatible with wine, so its not like I can launch the game currently anyway. I don't know much about xigncode's competitors, but I heard that Korean anti-cheat software packages tend to be rather rootkity. Maybe there are some western anti-cheat software packages that aren't rootkits.

My favorite anti-cheat scheme that I've heard of, though, would be the "cheat" server and "no cheat" server approach. Since cheats are allowed on the "cheat" servers they act as honeypots, attracting the cheaters to help keep the "no cheat" server low on actual cheaters. Due to the path of least resistance, cheaters should have a greater chance of being on one of the "cheat" servers since they would not need to worry about getting banned if they are playing on those servers.
TERA PC - General Discussion#194 Christin06/10/2018, 07:53 AM
I been reading the chat about XIGNCODE for days. I've not risked nor will i risk updating my TERA and having that thing run in the background scanning my personal files. Just taking a break from TERA until they remove it or the game closes up its doors. I thought it would be harder to quit but turns out its pretty easy when faced the risk of having your PC infected with a korean rootkit that scans and corrupts private files.

One strange thing i noticed reading the hundreds of posts is two people aggressively defending this, and only two people. Equitas and
ElinUsagi. I'm not sure if they are the same person or people who work for EME. But if i had to guess they are different people since Equitas isn't a fanatic like the other person in defending it and has not as much blindly defended this malware rootkit. Just odd theres literally 2 people who love XIGNCODE being installed and scanning their files, while 99% of the other people don't want it anywhere near their systems.

Just strange if these people aren't EME employees or friends of employees because i have no idea why anyone would offer so much of their free time to help defend bad business practices of a company. If ElinUsagi isn't being paid to lobby for this malware, they should be, i've never seen such blind dedication and misdirection.

You guys realize there was a bypass literally before this thing was even applied to the launcher right? And from what i read in the discord even the proxy injection works as do every single illegal mod that worked before this rootkit was introduced. Not sure how many people are on hold or quit the game completely but in my wide view of it, seems not worth it unless they somehow are profiting from the data they are mining with this "anticheat" thing.

Just a sidenote, i played the game since its launch and have spend around 1000-1500 dollars through 3 active accounts i use. So i'm not a freeloader and it does hurt me to witness the death of TERA. This game has suffered permanent damage and been lead down a bad path from it poor leadership at Bluehole. No doubt Bluehole to blame since i've seen how poorly they run Pubg and how much they panic when Fortnite took over.

I don't think they are employees, but they seriously are in need of a biscuit and a pat on the head.

So many kept saying this was a dead and dying game anyways. It will most likely go the way of AVA in a few years. I don't get why so many are trying so desperately to do bypasses and installing the junk on more than one system. If it's crashing this and that, and you have to unplug or restore, isn't it just time to move on? Any program that has the capability to cause a blue screen shouldn't be welcomed.
Christin wrote: »
I been reading the chat about XIGNCODE for days. I've not risked nor will i risk updating my TERA and having that thing run in the background scanning my personal files. Just taking a break from TERA until they remove it or the game closes up its doors. I thought it would be harder to quit but turns out its pretty easy when faced the risk of having your PC infected with a korean rootkit that scans and corrupts private files.

One strange thing i noticed reading the hundreds of posts is two people aggressively defending this, and only two people. Equitas and
ElinUsagi. I'm not sure if they are the same person or people who work for EME. But if i had to guess they are different people since Equitas isn't a fanatic like the other person in defending it and has not as much blindly defended this malware rootkit. Just odd theres literally 2 people who love XIGNCODE being installed and scanning their files, while 99% of the other people don't want it anywhere near their systems.

Just strange if these people aren't EME employees or friends of employees because i have no idea why anyone would offer so much of their free time to help defend bad business practices of a company. If ElinUsagi isn't being paid to lobby for this malware, they should be, i've never seen such blind dedication and misdirection.

You guys realize there was a bypass literally before this thing was even applied to the launcher right? And from what i read in the discord even the proxy injection works as do every single illegal mod that worked before this rootkit was introduced. Not sure how many people are on hold or quit the game completely but in my wide view of it, seems not worth it unless they somehow are profiting from the data they are mining with this "anticheat" thing.

Just a sidenote, i played the game since its launch and have spend around 1000-1500 dollars through 3 active accounts i use. So i'm not a freeloader and it does hurt me to witness the death of TERA. This game has suffered permanent damage and been lead down a bad path from it poor leadership at Bluehole. No doubt Bluehole to blame since i've seen how poorly they run Pubg and how much they panic when Fortnite took over.

I don't think they are employees, but they seriously are in need of a biscuit and a pat on the head.

So many kept saying this was a dead and dying game anyways. It will most likely go the way of AVA in a few years. I don't get why so many are trying so desperately to do bypasses and installing the junk on more than one system. If it's crashing this and that, and you have to unplug or restore, isn't it just time to move on? Any program that has the capability to cause a blue screen shouldn't be welcomed.

In general, purposely installing rootkits is a bad idea.

Funny thing about AVA, I think I read somewhere that it was killed by xigncode. Don't know how true that is, but the irony is of ridiculous proportions if true. Wasn't AVA also one of EMEs games?
RandomElin wrote: »
Glad you asked.

I've heard that anti-cheat software does not need to be rootkit by design. The whole rootkit issue is probably my biggest issue with xigncode. Second biggest issue is that it isn't compatible with wine, so its not like I can launch the game currently anyway. I don't know much about xigncode's competitors, but I heard that Korean anti-cheat software packages tend to be rather rootkity. Maybe there are some western anti-cheat software packages that aren't rootkits.

My favorite anti-cheat scheme that I've heard of, though, would be the "cheat" server and "no cheat" server approach. Since cheats are allowed on the "cheat" servers they act as honeypots, attracting the cheaters to help keep the "no cheat" server low on actual cheaters. Due to the path of least resistance, cheaters should have a greater chance of being on one of the "cheat" servers since they would not need to worry about getting banned if they are playing on those servers.
I guess where conversation comes to a standstill concerning Tera and Xigncode3 is that everyone hates it for good reasons, but no one seems to have an actual alternative to suggest. A lot of us guess that there's better ones out there but can't seem to come up with an example just yet. Maybe we should all look for alternatives, since removing xigncode3 from tera with nothing to replace it is obviously off the table for EME/BHS.

That cheat/no cheat sever separation kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth- especially since Tera by design pulls in players from across all servers to do group content (ims dg/battlegrounds). So to implement something like that you'd have to completely segregate the noncheat servers from the cheat ones which would probably cause Tera's small community to become more dysfunctional. Plus, a lot of people who really cheat do so to gain an edge over legitimate players. Having a blatantly labeled no cheat versus cheat server choice would lead me to think that the actual cheaters would pick the noncheat servers and try to cheat anyway since gaining an unfair advantage over legitimate players gives them their jollys. (And by "people who really cheat" I mean people who did trash like memeslashing, not people using stuff like meters. Even though it's all banned by EME since it's their game).

Meningitis wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
Never said that xigncode3 was meant to cause blue screens. That is likely a mishap that it isn't supposed to do. Since it is a rootkit, I'm guessing its messing with the underlying OS and causing problems in some cases as a result. If it was perfect, the player base may very well have been getting their systems owned and not even noticing. Instead, it sounds like it typically at least causes performance issues. Like I said before, I don't know everything that xigncode is actually doing. Xigncode isn't the kind of program that I consider ethical.
That raises an interesting point- are there any anti cheat programs out there that actually work that most people would consider ethical? At this point, almost every online game I play uses Xigncode3 or one of it's competitors that seem to operate in a similar manner. Even if xigncode3 functioned well, did it's job, and was secure (lol)- would you consider it necessary to give up some of your privacy to ensure a fair game for everybody? Or is there a much better way to ensure a cheat-free game that isn't so skin-crawlingly intrusive? Or do you think a game's administration should just try to catch cheaters on a case by case basis? I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that.

I wrote a long post on this but then I edited it and it got deleted, so I'll try to be more concise.

Even if xigncode was perfect, TERA's current cheats would still work, just in a different way - the same way they're used on consoles currently.
En masse should approach this problem from (at least) two ways:
1) find a way to identify cheats server-side, for instance very obvious ones like auto-loot should be easy to detect even with current tools. picking up 20 items in half a second can *rarely* happen because of packet loss, but doing it after every boss is a very clear indication that they're cheating.
2) actually ban people, even temp bans, who are cheating. currently, there are very very few people being banned compared to the number who are obviously cheating. even a one-day ban for using an obvious hack would deter people from them. I'd suggest going fairly light on ban length (while punishing as many obvious cheaters as possible) at first, mostly because a huge amount of players are cheating right now and i'd hate to see the game actually die over something that should never have been a problem in the first place. If 1000 cheaters get banned for a day, suddenly less people will want to cheat. I know, crazy.
TERA PC - General Discussion#198 Zaporia06/10/2018, 08:07 AM
Found while browsing the steam forums
http://wellbia.com/faq/index_en.html

0xE019100B error occurrences
This error code occurs from detection of program usage irrelevant to the game. If the problem consists, please contact support@wellbia.com with your xigncode.log file attachment. We will get back to you as soon as possible.

In your black desert folder there is a file called xigncode.log
For me it's located: "Black Desert Online\bin64\xc\na\2\xigncode.log"

If you send an email to them with the attached log, they will send you an email back telling you what is triggering the suspicious program alert.


You will get an email back from them telling you what triggered it in the format:

Hello there!
This is an automated response from the Support team of Wellbia Co., Ltd.
Hmm, seems like you have some troubleshooting issues with your game!
We’re sorry for your inconvenience.
Your xigncode.log sent to us has detected a third party program as the following;

d:\downloads\AdwCleaner.exe (In my instance, AdwCleaner, an anti-malware tool, triggered their anti-cheat system)

Please turn off the program mentioned for smooth gameplay, or uninstall it unless it is a must-have program.
In addition, please scan your PC using an anti-virus program prior to game start for further check-up.
For those who are using Windows 10 TP (Technical Preview), Microsoft is constantly making updates to improve functions and eliminate bugs. XIGNCODE3 accordingly needs updates following the frequent Windows 10 TP changes. Although your game may have XIGNCODE3 error issues during game launch, please note that we are trying our best to keep in date regarding compatibility functions for Windows 10 TP.
If you continue to have issues, please send us an additional email with a title of your game and publisher attached with your xigncode.log for personal assistance.

Thanks!
Remember, we’re always here to protect you from hacks and malware!

So it detects one of the main anti-malware programs as a problem WTF, would love to see if AdwCleaner triggers and sees xigncode as malware.
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Thanks for responding with your input! In that regard then, EME just seems horribly understaffed to deal with actually looking over things to actively ban cheaters. Either that or they just don't care about putting in the work to make sure their game runs smoothly for legitimate players.
Meningitis wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
Glad you asked.

I've heard that anti-cheat software does not need to be rootkit by design. The whole rootkit issue is probably my biggest issue with xigncode. Second biggest issue is that it isn't compatible with wine, so its not like I can launch the game currently anyway. I don't know much about xigncode's competitors, but I heard that Korean anti-cheat software packages tend to be rather rootkity. Maybe there are some western anti-cheat software packages that aren't rootkits.

My favorite anti-cheat scheme that I've heard of, though, would be the "cheat" server and "no cheat" server approach. Since cheats are allowed on the "cheat" servers they act as honeypots, attracting the cheaters to help keep the "no cheat" server low on actual cheaters. Due to the path of least resistance, cheaters should have a greater chance of being on one of the "cheat" servers since they would not need to worry about getting banned if they are playing on those servers.
I guess where conversation comes to a standstill concerning Tera and Xigncode3 is that everyone hates it for good reasons, but no one seems to have an actual alternative to suggest. A lot of us guess that there's better ones out there but can't seem to come up with an example just yet. Maybe we should all look for alternatives, since removing xigncode3 from tera with nothing to replace it is obviously off the table for EME/BHS.

That cheat/no cheat sever separation kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth- especially since Tera by design pulls in players from across all servers to do group content (ims dg/battlegrounds). So to implement something like that you'd have to completely segregate the noncheat servers from the cheat ones which would probably cause Tera's small community to become more dysfunctional. Plus, a lot of people who really cheat do so to gain an edge over legitimate players. Having a blatantly labeled no cheat versus cheat server choice would lead me to think that the actual cheaters would pick the noncheat servers and try to cheat anyway since gaining an unfair advantage over legitimate players gives them their jollys. (And by "people who really cheat" I mean people who did trash like memeslashing, not people using stuff like meters. Even though it's all banned by EME since it's their game).

Most of the problematic cheats are due to deficiencies in the server design. If Bluehole would fix the servers, this would be a non-issue. Instead, it looks like they'd rather have us install rootkits. *face palm*

The IMS issue may or may not be relevant. It could turn out that the player base wouldn't mind about having all the servers lumped together for it. Wouldn't be any worse than what we had before the xigncode debacle. I hear the harder dungeons are typically not run via IMS, so that would also lessen the relevance of the IMS issue.

In regard to the "cheat" servers, I wouldn't expect everyone on it to necessarily be running cheats. Its not like players on it would be required to cheat. I for one don't think I'd mind running with cheaters. Also the people who are just using cheats like DPS meters would be there. Point is, in theory, the "cheat" servers should have players for the players who cheat to gain an edge to feel superior to.

Overall, I'm not really convinced that they even need an anti-cheat system, though. Just doesn't seem like that big of a problem to me. Definitely not a big enough problem to warrant installing a rootkit.
Equitas wrote: »
It's like you people don't listen. I know it isn't likely it'll do any good for me to explain this for what feels like the hundredth time, but I'll try anyway. Literally zero people have needed to reinstall their operating system. The most likely scenario is they rendered their computer inoperable by messing around with settings and files, attempting to remove this program after succumbing to paranoia, whilst having absolutely zero clue what they're doing. Either that, or they just wiped the slate clean because they believe that's the only way to remove XIGNCODE.

The software is reportedly causing BSOD's which can break RAIDs or cause data corruption. The increased resource requirement is causing some systems to basically [filtered] themselves. The idea that is "infecting" the OS is highly unlikely, but you can't guarantee "Literally zero people have needed to reinstall their operating system" because there is at least one reasonably probable path that could lead to this.
Equitas wrote: »
"infected"
"corrupts private files"
"malware rootkit"
"malware"
"data ... mining"

the first 3 do not appear to be correct.

Spyware is a form of Malware according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware
Poorly designed software which causes harm does not fall under the definition of Malware.
So describing it as Malware because of false positives or impacts to performance is inaccurate.
Perhaps the terms Bugware, Nuisanceware or Uselessware would be more appropriate.

You can't guarantee that absolutely no data mining is occurring, I would strongly suspect that it probably is. Not so they can steal your personal information, just so they can better identify a cheaters. If they are seeing something consistent with cheating (for example, perfectly repeating the exact same moves over and over like a bot) then they can start hunting for the programs which might be responsible. Comparing hash codes from people who appear to be botting with people who do not allows them search for statistically significant patterns. Although it should be noted that xigncode has had no impact on botting whatsoever because anyone wishing to bot would just use the bypass.
Equitas wrote: »
Why there is ppl in favor of Xingcode here? I dont understand.
Would *facepalm* be an out of line response to this? Because that's how I feel.

No reasonable thinking person with a brain in their skull could possibly be in favour xigncode, it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. It causes a bunch of FUD for legitimate players and doesn't do the 1 thing it's supposed to do. If people want to attack this nuisance software (which is all it is) then why don't you just let them? You're going out of your way to defend this crap, what the hell is wrong with you? If you don't want people to think you're in favour of it, then stop behaving like you're in favour of it.
Meningitis wrote: »
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Thanks for responding with your input! In that regard then, EME just seems horribly understaffed to deal with actually looking over things to actively ban cheaters. Either that or they just don't care about putting in the work to make sure their game runs smoothly for legitimate players.

The sad thing is that a competent person with access to eme's current logs and knowledge of TERA would be able to spend about a few hours writing code to identify cheaters en masse (see what i did there?) which would be a fairly comprehensive solution - a few people would still cheat and a few false positives would slip through the cracks, but the cheats which are obvious and easy to identify, which are generally the more game-breaking breaking ones, would be stopped.. Currently they're mainly banning cheaters on a case by case basis requiring the input of players and a GM manually checking logs and such, which is just ridiculous. It would be a much better use of resources to have a server-sided auto-ban system (perhaps a 3-strikes style thing, one day ban, 3 day ban, 1 week ban, goodbye) with humans only getting involved for false positives and people who contest the ban.
To clarify, rootkits are a type of malware. Plenty of sources say xigncode is a rootkit. Based on the system stability issues and out right blue screens that some people are getting, it sounds like it may be mucking with the host OS. Hence why I consider it a rootkit at this point.
RandomElin wrote: »
To clarify, rootkits are a type of malware. Plenty of sources say xigncode is a rootkit. Based on the system stability issues and out right blue screens that some people are getting, it sounds like it may be mucking with the host OS. Hence why I consider it a rootkit at this point.

I'm not sure TERA's implementation qualifies as a rootkit, at least not in every case. It seems it's only installing itself in the system in some cases. It also seems to not really be the best-behaved program in the world, frequently straying into parts of memory it's not meant to be in - which is what's causing the blue screens. I'm not really sure it qualifies as malware, either, but it's a pretty close description - a program behaving in unintended ways, harming system performance, and not performing it's stated function is pretty bad no matter what you call it.
RandomElin wrote: »
To clarify, rootkits are a type of malware. Plenty of sources say xigncode is a rootkit. Based on the system stability issues and out right blue screens that some people are getting, it sounds like it may be mucking with the host OS. Hence why I consider it a rootkit at this point.

I'm not sure TERA's implementation qualifies as a rootkit, at least not in every case. It seems it's only installing itself in the system in some cases. It also seems to not really be the best-behaved program in the world, frequently straying into parts of memory it's not meant to be in - which is what's causing the blue screens. I'm not really sure it qualifies as malware, either, but it's a pretty close description - a program behaving in unintended ways, harming system performance, and not performing it's stated function is pretty bad no matter what you call it.

The thing is should it even be able to get into those parts of memory it's not meant to be in? Operating Systems tend to have protections built in. Sounds like it may have usurped the OS to some degree at least. This to me sounds like rootkit behavior. I guess one can argue about rather or not it is really malware, though.
RandomElin wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
To clarify, rootkits are a type of malware. Plenty of sources say xigncode is a rootkit. Based on the system stability issues and out right blue screens that some people are getting, it sounds like it may be mucking with the host OS. Hence why I consider it a rootkit at this point.

I'm not sure TERA's implementation qualifies as a rootkit, at least not in every case. It seems it's only installing itself in the system in some cases. It also seems to not really be the best-behaved program in the world, frequently straying into parts of memory it's not meant to be in - which is what's causing the blue screens. I'm not really sure it qualifies as malware, either, but it's a pretty close description - a program behaving in unintended ways, harming system performance, and not performing it's stated function is pretty bad no matter what you call it.

The thing is should it even be able to get into those parts of memory it's not meant to be in? Operating Systems tend to have protections built in. Sounds like it may have usurped the OS to some degree at least. This to me sounds like rootkit behavior. I guess one can argue about rather or not it is really malware, though.

Also keep in mind if it truly is a rootkit it may be hiding files even from the host OS.
RandomElin wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
To clarify, rootkits are a type of malware. Plenty of sources say xigncode is a rootkit. Based on the system stability issues and out right blue screens that some people are getting, it sounds like it may be mucking with the host OS. Hence why I consider it a rootkit at this point.

I'm not sure TERA's implementation qualifies as a rootkit, at least not in every case. It seems it's only installing itself in the system in some cases. It also seems to not really be the best-behaved program in the world, frequently straying into parts of memory it's not meant to be in - which is what's causing the blue screens. I'm not really sure it qualifies as malware, either, but it's a pretty close description - a program behaving in unintended ways, harming system performance, and not performing it's stated function is pretty bad no matter what you call it.

The thing is should it even be able to get into those parts of memory it's not meant to be in? Operating Systems tend to have protections built in. Sounds like it may have usurped the OS to some degree at least. This to me sounds like rootkit behavior. I guess one can argue about rather or not it is really malware, though.

Blue screens are (very basically) the OS's last attempt to prevent (further) damage in the case of a misbehaving program or piece of hardware. If it didn't have admin permissions, it probably wouldn't be able to cause as many bluescreens... sadly since it runs from the tera process and most people need to run tera as admin....
RandomElin wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
To clarify, rootkits are a type of malware. Plenty of sources say xigncode is a rootkit. Based on the system stability issues and out right blue screens that some people are getting, it sounds like it may be mucking with the host OS. Hence why I consider it a rootkit at this point.

I'm not sure TERA's implementation qualifies as a rootkit, at least not in every case. It seems it's only installing itself in the system in some cases. It also seems to not really be the best-behaved program in the world, frequently straying into parts of memory it's not meant to be in - which is what's causing the blue screens. I'm not really sure it qualifies as malware, either, but it's a pretty close description - a program behaving in unintended ways, harming system performance, and not performing it's stated function is pretty bad no matter what you call it.

The thing is should it even be able to get into those parts of memory it's not meant to be in? Operating Systems tend to have protections built in. Sounds like it may have usurped the OS to some degree at least. This to me sounds like rootkit behavior. I guess one can argue about rather or not it is really malware, though.

Blue screens are (very basically) the OS's last attempt to prevent (further) damage in the case of a misbehaving program or piece of hardware. If it didn't have admin permissions, it probably wouldn't be able to cause as many bluescreens... sadly since it runs from the tera process and most people need to run tera as admin....

I wonder if xigncode could even function without admin. Also, I wonder if it would magically have admin even if TERA was run as non-admin. So many questions.

As for running TERA as admin, that sounds insane to me. Did not know that about TERA. I'm guessing there are ways to get it to run under sane permissions pre-xigncode. Didn't have to deal with that myself since I'm running linux.
RandomElin wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
To clarify, rootkits are a type of malware. Plenty of sources say xigncode is a rootkit. Based on the system stability issues and out right blue screens that some people are getting, it sounds like it may be mucking with the host OS. Hence why I consider it a rootkit at this point.

I'm not sure TERA's implementation qualifies as a rootkit, at least not in every case. It seems it's only installing itself in the system in some cases. It also seems to not really be the best-behaved program in the world, frequently straying into parts of memory it's not meant to be in - which is what's causing the blue screens. I'm not really sure it qualifies as malware, either, but it's a pretty close description - a program behaving in unintended ways, harming system performance, and not performing it's stated function is pretty bad no matter what you call it.

The thing is should it even be able to get into those parts of memory it's not meant to be in? Operating Systems tend to have protections built in. Sounds like it may have usurped the OS to some degree at least. This to me sounds like rootkit behavior. I guess one can argue about rather or not it is really malware, though.

Blue screens are (very basically) the OS's last attempt to prevent (further) damage in the case of a misbehaving program or piece of hardware. If it didn't have admin permissions, it probably wouldn't be able to cause as many bluescreens... sadly since it runs from the tera process and most people need to run tera as admin....

I wonder if xigncode could even function without admin. Also, I wonder if it would magically have admin even if TERA was run as non-admin. So many questions.

As for running TERA as admin, that sounds insane to me. Did not know that about TERA. I'm guessing there are ways to get it to run under sane permissions pre-xigncode. Didn't have to deal with that myself since I'm running linux.

If xigncode could be relegated to normal non-admin permissions instead of admin, that would be a step in the right direction. Still sounds like it would be nasty performance wise. Also, potentially nasty privacy wise, but under normal non-admin permissions it could potentially be boxed off to only be able to look at the TERA stuff. There's also the problem of no support for non-windows operating systems.
RandomElin wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
To clarify, rootkits are a type of malware. Plenty of sources say xigncode is a rootkit. Based on the system stability issues and out right blue screens that some people are getting, it sounds like it may be mucking with the host OS. Hence why I consider it a rootkit at this point.

I'm not sure TERA's implementation qualifies as a rootkit, at least not in every case. It seems it's only installing itself in the system in some cases. It also seems to not really be the best-behaved program in the world, frequently straying into parts of memory it's not meant to be in - which is what's causing the blue screens. I'm not really sure it qualifies as malware, either, but it's a pretty close description - a program behaving in unintended ways, harming system performance, and not performing it's stated function is pretty bad no matter what you call it.

The thing is should it even be able to get into those parts of memory it's not meant to be in? Operating Systems tend to have protections built in. Sounds like it may have usurped the OS to some degree at least. This to me sounds like rootkit behavior. I guess one can argue about rather or not it is really malware, though.

Blue screens are (very basically) the OS's last attempt to prevent (further) damage in the case of a misbehaving program or piece of hardware. If it didn't have admin permissions, it probably wouldn't be able to cause as many bluescreens... sadly since it runs from the tera process and most people need to run tera as admin....

I wonder if xigncode could even function without admin. Also, I wonder if it would magically have admin even if TERA was run as non-admin. So many questions.

As for running TERA as admin, that sounds insane to me. Did not know that about TERA. I'm guessing there are ways to get it to run under sane permissions pre-xigncode. Didn't have to deal with that myself since I'm running linux.

If xigncode could be relegated to normal non-admin permissions instead of admin, that would be a step in the right direction. Still sounds like it would be nasty performance wise. Also, potentially nasty privacy wise, but under normal non-admin permissions it could potentially be boxed off to only be able to look at the TERA stuff. There's also the problem of no support for non-windows operating systems.

Updating my opinion of EME's xigncode to "probably not a rootkit". Still want it gone, though, so that I can launch the client. I suspect xigncode needs to run as admin to function, though. If true, that is not good. That kind of thing really shouldn't be running as admin. Same goes for TERA, but I fear xigncode needing admin will also require TERA to be run as admin. In general, one should be trying to minimize what they are running as admin to limit risk to the overall system.
TERA PC - General Discussion#211 Kiciuk06/10/2018, 10:54 AM
sadly since it runs from the tera process and most people need to run tera as admin....
False.
You are starting Launcher as admin as it needs it to be fully sure that it can patch files.
If you install client somewhere like program files and you run on non admin acc you can't copy in that directory.
Game itself start with Basic user privileges(probably not sure if laucher spawn process with its own privileges).

About XignCode:
-Cheapo korean trash
-Easily bypassable since years.
-Unknown reason to even use it(what it can block? Cheatengine? UI mods? thats hillarious)
-It only prevent from injecting dlls into client(Shinra overlay,Discord overlay(?))
-Slows down game loading and increase time of loading files in game.

What to do but what cannot be done:
-Fix your [filtered] from scratch.
Sadly BHS is too poor, milking from tera and pubg isnt enought to get [filtered] done after few years.
Hopefully there will be counter sue from Epic and they will loose ground.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PUBATTLEGROUNDS/comments/72w8xf/bluehole_is_worth_46_billion_bloomberg/
TERA PC - General Discussion#212 clfarron406/10/2018, 03:40 PM
This is a Gameforge EU staff member commenting on Xigncode and TERA EU:

GF_Employee_on_Xigncode.PNG

You can find this comment in an unofficial TERA Discord if you wish to view it yourself.
TERA PC - General Discussion#213 ElinUsagi06/10/2018, 03:47 PM
clfarron4 wrote: »
This is a Gameforge EU staff member commenting on Xigncode and TERA EU:

GF_Employee_on_Xigncode.PNG

You can find this comment in an unofficial TERA Discord if you wish to view it yourself.

I would call that bs as they have games that use Xigncode.

If that was the case then why that Gameforge EU staff member dont post that on the forums games where theyuse Xigncode?

It really impress me the extend of the lies that some people trow about the Xigncode paranoia.
TERA PC - General Discussion#214 clfarron406/10/2018, 04:34 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
nah, forget it, is is just paranoia

EU laws have not enforced anygame that use Xigncode over there to be removed from their games.
clfarron4 wrote: »
You can find this comment in an unofficial TERA Discord if you wish to view it yourself.

Don't you mean "No-one has yet enforced the EU laws in such a way that companies have to remove Xigncode from their games"?

Also, since Xigncode being put into the NA build came after 26th May, you're looking at putting something in, not removing it.
Well I've been with out a pc since the patch as the damn things bricked my SSD. On my 3rd attempt to log in after patch( numerous memory errors, followed by a BSOD half way through the Xigncod3 launch bar) my SSD refuses to recognize and my pc says no boot device. The pc ran fine with no issues for years, suddenly I update tera with the new malware and bam no pc. Can't even diagnose it right now. Now I've got to waste money I dont have on another hard drive. So pissed off with eme/bhs right now. Most likely won't be reinstalling Tera until they remove this crap.
Well I've been with out a pc since the patch as the damn things bricked my SSD. On my 3rd attempt to log in after patch( numerous memory errors, followed by a BSOD half way through the Xigncod3 launch bar) my SSD refuses to recognize and my pc says no boot device. The pc ran fine with no issues for years, suddenly I update tera with the new malware and bam no pc. Can't even diagnose it right now. Now I've got to waste money I dont have on another hard drive. So pissed off with eme/bhs right now. Most likely won't be reinstalling Tera until they remove this crap.

If theres ever a class action lawsuit that is successful against XIGNCODE, you should be entitled to some money to replaced the damaged ssd hardware. Unfortunately single individuals attempt at a lawsuit is impossible, the cost alone for 1 hr of legal advice would cost you more than an SSD would.
In all this discussion about Xigncode3, it has been surprisingly hard to find any actual, confirmed information about Xigncode3. Unfortunately, the information I have been able to find has been almost exclusively negative. What I have seen from the research I have done is:

1. Xigncode3 does not stop the majority of cheats or illegal programs.

2a. Xigncode3 does cause issues on many, but not all, machines.

2b. These issues can range from minor lag or fps drops to inability to run the game, and, in some cases, damage or corruption of the operating system.

In my hopes to ease my concerns about Xigncode3, I went to Wellbia’s website, and took a look at the Terms of Service (ToS). However, what I found does not inspire trust in Wellbia or Xigncode. The ToS is full of evasive and non-specific language that holds little or no legal meaning.

For example, the ToS claims that “XIGNCODE3 never shares, rents, or sells the user information arbitrarily and never collects the information which can distinguish an individual.”, but then later states that “XIGNCODE3 provides the illegal activity detected information such as Date, User Name, IP, Hack Tool Name, and etc.” Firstly, I find it hard to believe that User Name and IP would not be considered information to distinguish individuals. Secondly, the ending, “and etc.”, means that there is further, undisclosed information being provided. Thirdly, the phrasing “XIGNCODE3 never shares, rents, or sells the user information arbitrarily”, would be much more comforting if it ended one word earlier. They can sell your information, as long as they don’t do it “arbitrarily”. I am not claiming that XIGNCODE3 or Wellbia collect, sell, or otherwise distribute user information. What I am claiming, is that there is nothing in the ToS preventing them from doing exactly that, and that worries me.

Even if we assume that XIGNCODE3 is nothing more than the anti-cheat it claims to be, there are still issues. XIGNCODE3 was supposedly introduced to NA Tera to improve player experience, and from what I have seen and read, XIGNCODE3 has done little to improve gameplay experience, and a lot to worsen it.

All that being said, the thing that concerns me the most is neither XIGNCODE3 nor Wellbia, but the reaction of EME and/or BHS to the concerns of the player. EME, from what I have seen, is actively refusing discussion of this topic. For example, when KitTeaCup responded to and closed the previous thread about XIGNCODE3, her post ended with:

“I’m going to close this thread and ask that if you want to have a productive conversation about the situation at hand, I and my teammates are happy to talk, but where this thread is going, I’m not allowing this to go any further.

I look forward to hearing what you have to say.”

First off, I would like to say that closing the thread was entirely reasonable. Many of the posts within the thread had begun to venture into territory that violated the forum guidelines. What I take issue with is that she said “…if you want to have a productive conversation about the situation at hand, I and my teammates are happy to talk…”, and yet, several days and hundreds of posts later, the second major XIGNCODE3 discussion thread has yet to see KitTeaCup or her teammates. At all. In fact, part of me thinks that they may have been prohibited from talking about the topic at all, either by EME or BHS. During the “[PC] Heroes Oath + Announcement! w/ KitTeaCup & SeanDynamite” twitch stream, there were quite a few questions about XIGNCODE3, and several people asked them to address the topic. However, there was no discussion of XIGNCODE3 whatsoever, and at one point (around 31:30, for those interested), they had the following exchange:

KTC: “People keep asking about this.”

SD: “Yea I’m sure they will.”

While the exchange had no context, it seems to me that this was more than likely referring to XIGNCODE3, as, at this point in time, it was the only repeating question in chat that had not been addressed. If this is true, the implication is that they were either prohibited from discussion of the topic, or simply chose to ignore it. Neither of these options make me feel particularly trusting of EME and its employees

I am not blaming KitTeaCup, SeanDynamite, or any other EME employee. They have jobs, and rules they need to follow. I am, however, concerned about the behavior of EME and/or BHS. We do not have a right to tell them how to run their game, but I feel as if we should be provided with information. Regardless of your opinions on XIGNCODE3, I think most people would agree that a substantial portion of the community has concerns that have been unaddressed. I sincerely hope that I am proven wrong, and that EME releases an informative post addressing this issue, but as of yet, that has not happened.

Again, I am not blaming anyone, and I’m not saying that there is some sort of conspiracy. All I am saying is that there is a problem that has not been properly addressed.
I currently don't believe EMEs xigncode version is a rootkit. It does sound like it may be touching things it really shouldn't be in the name of anti-cheat, though. This is why I wonder if it would be possible to box it in to a regular non-admin account. Doing so may solve some of the stability problems since the host system would be better protected from it than if it was running as admin.

Can anyone confirm whether or not xigncode needs to be running as admin on a windows system?
TERA PC - General Discussion#219 clfarron406/10/2018, 06:48 PM
RandomElin wrote: »
I currently don't believe EMEs xigncode version is a rootkit. It does sound like it may be touching things it really shouldn't be in the name of anti-cheat, though. This is why I wonder if it would be possible to box it in to a regular non-admin account. Doing so may solve some of the stability problems since the host system would be better protected from it than if it was running as admin.

Can anyone confirm whether or not xigncode needs to be running as admin on a windows system?

It's a kernel level inject, so it automatically has administrative rights.

clfarron4 wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
I currently don't believe EMEs xigncode version is a rootkit. It does sound like it may be touching things it really shouldn't be in the name of anti-cheat, though. This is why I wonder if it would be possible to box it in to a regular non-admin account. Doing so may solve some of the stability problems since the host system would be better protected from it than if it was running as admin.

Can anyone confirm whether or not xigncode needs to be running as admin on a windows system?

It's a kernel level inject, so it automatically has administrative rights.

I thought it has been pretty much confirmed that that wasn't the case for EME's xigncode, though. Does anyone have info on this in regard to EME's version? I thought it was pretty much self contained to the game directory install wise and not mucking around with the kernel.
TERA PC - General Discussion#221 clfarron406/10/2018, 07:33 PM
RandomElin wrote: »
clfarron4 wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
I currently don't believe EMEs xigncode version is a rootkit. It does sound like it may be touching things it really shouldn't be in the name of anti-cheat, though. This is why I wonder if it would be possible to box it in to a regular non-admin account. Doing so may solve some of the stability problems since the host system would be better protected from it than if it was running as admin.

Can anyone confirm whether or not xigncode needs to be running as admin on a windows system?

It's a kernel level inject, so it automatically has administrative rights.

I thought it has been pretty much confirmed that that wasn't the case for EME's xigncode, though. Does anyone have info on this in regard to EME's version? I thought it was pretty much self contained to the game directory install wise and not mucking around with the kernel.

Look for C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys...

And look on the forums. There are a few threads of people complaining about the TERA.exe process mashing through disks on which the TERA installation isn't on.
TERA PC - General Discussion#222 Starkhoe06/10/2018, 07:38 PM
Meanwhile, as someone from the potato PC nation, im still waiting for an official reply about all the things that people have been raising here. XIGNCODE did not stop gold spammers, it did not stop cheaters, it did not improve game performance (it only made it worse), and I have yet to see a single proven positive attribute for having XIGNCODE in Tera. Nobody wants it. If anything from what I can see the only thing that XIGNCODE has done, is to push people to go outta their way and resort to none official solutions just in order to play the game.

BHS, you like waving policy and preach against third party software, yet you implement one yourselves? you claim to want to hear what people have to say, yet you can`t even bother to open an official thread on you're own accord? EME, how long before you run out of excuses and smug one liners, and give the people something they actually want?
TERA PC - General Discussion#223 Yamazuki06/10/2018, 08:27 PM
clfarron4 wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
nah, forget it, is is just paranoia

EU laws have not enforced anygame that use Xigncode over there to be removed from their games.
clfarron4 wrote: »
You can find this comment in an unofficial TERA Discord if you wish to view it yourself.

Don't you mean "No-one has yet enforced the EU laws in such a way that companies have to remove Xigncode from their games"?

Also, since Xigncode being put into the NA build came after 26th May, you're looking at putting something in, not removing it.

It isn't enforced because it doesn't violate anything. The GDPR isn't about disallowing data collection, it's about requiring consent, protecting the data collected, collecting data that is necessary for your business, and when requested being able to share information and being transparent.
TERA PC - General Discussion#224 Starkhoe06/10/2018, 08:45 PM
Enough with the brown noses and privileged puppets. Nobody cares about what lackeys have to say. BHS/EME/Whoever official, as someone from the potato nation which no longer cares if they get banned or not, give up you`re official response, and make it a good one.
TERA PC - General Discussion#225 ElinUsagi06/10/2018, 08:52 PM
clfarron4 wrote: »
Look for C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys...

m9qPBoL.png

qLtqQ8J.png

NMzlEq7.png

8khdgGH.png

Lz4yvLD.png

1AFDwKX.png

There is no where to be found.

Are you actually using what other people had said about that even without testing it yourself?

Repeating something that other people said without you actually knowing if its true or not is not a good feedback at all.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
clfarron4 wrote: »
Look for C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys...

m9qPBoL.png

qLtqQ8J.png

NMzlEq7.png

8khdgGH.png

Lz4yvLD.png

1AFDwKX.png

There is no where to be found.

Are you actually using what other people had said about that even without testing it yourself?

Repeating something that other people said without you actually knowing if its true or not is not a good feedback at all.

So far people that has found that xhunter1.sys file on their pc's have told they have played other games than TERA that used Xigncode (such as BDO or/and BnS) and probably that file was made for another Xigncode version from another game.

It sounds to me like TERA's version of xigncode is either not installing xhunter1.sys or is hiding it. I suspect it is just not being installed. My suspicion is that xigncode can be configured to mess with the kernel, but EME configured it to just run as a regular process instead.

I can confirm that I don't see this xhunter1.sys file in the wine bottle that I have TERA installed to. Its possible that may be due to it not being a real windows system, though.
TERA PC - General Discussion#227 MistyTera06/10/2018, 09:32 PM
Also from maple-story site it states

xxd.xem file detected and deleted via anti-virus program. So it's actually looking to corrupt an anti-virus program? THE FUDGE?!

hhhh.png

x3.xem -> x3.dll (Themida / Winlicense v2.x) -> System XIGNCODE3
xcorona.xem -> xcorona.dll (Themida / Winlicense v2.x) -> System XIGNCODE3
xcorona_x64.xem -> xcorona_x64.dll (Themida / Winlicense v2.x) -> System XIGNCODE3
xmag.xem -> xmag.xem (Code Virtualizer) -> XIGNCODE3 file
xnina.xem -> xnina.xem (Not Packed) > XIGNCODE3 file xxd
-0.xem -> xxd.dll (Not Packed) -> XIGNCODE `WatchDog` process

-XIGNCOD3 detects thread creations from the kernel level, and then checks to see if the start address comes from the white system / whitelist legal modules (not the legitimate modules or the white zone's memory strip). this gives an end to the game)
- XIGNCOD3 has its own drivers; Vtany.sys (what is this ...?) And xhunter1.sys (kernelmode driver used to monitor different apis calls through return address, minimize windows, block memory scan)
- x3.xem uses inverted polynomial crc32
- Xigncode SDK loads x3.xem as a normal DLL (LoadLibraryA). After that, the only x3.xem export will be called with a constant as a function parameter. The constant defines which direction of function to retrieve. Then the address of the recovered function is called
- x3.xem is the module of the loader that reads xmag.xem and manually "maps" around 5-10 different modules in the process space.
- x3.xem maps only a few modules, the rest is mapped manually and recursively from manually mapped modules
- x3.xem removes process attachments from external attachments to prevent tools from reading game memory
- xmag.xemis a custom archive file containing about 20 different .xem files (data file)
- XIGNCOD3 records all files and routes you have modified in the last ~ 48 hours and all executables with pre-search files in your records
- x3 .xem and xdd.xem use NtSetInformationThread with the ThreadHideFromDebugger flag in the core threads of the process
- xdd.xem uses RPM (ReadProcessMemory) to read the first 0xC8 bytes (?) of the address of the function that identifies the process
- xdd.xem checks if the loops and / or threads are open and linked to the game process from external tools, if you know, is minimized
- XIGNCOD3 uses the [send / recv] functions of winsock2_32

It creates kernel drivers to get access to your computer. ANTI-VIRUS INSTALLS KERNEL-MODE DRIVERS ON THE COMPUTER, BUT WHEN A COMPUTER CRASHES! THAT'S NOT RIGHT! XIGNCODE reverse engineering is a joke!
TERA PC - General Discussion#228 MistyTera06/10/2018, 09:39 PM
RandomElin wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
clfarron4 wrote: »
Look for C:\Windows\xhunter1.sys...

m9qPBoL.png

qLtqQ8J.png

NMzlEq7.png

8khdgGH.png

Lz4yvLD.png

1AFDwKX.png

There is no where to be found.

Are you actually using what other people had said about that even without testing it yourself?

Repeating something that other people said without you actually knowing if its true or not is not a good feedback at all.

So far people that has found that xhunter1.sys file on their pc's have told they have played other games than TERA that used Xigncode (such as BDO or/and BnS) and probably that file was made for another Xigncode version from another game.

It sounds to me like TERA's version of xigncode is either not installing xhunter1.sys or is hiding it. I suspect it is just not being installed. My suspicion is that xigncode can be configured to mess with the kernel, but EME configured it to just run as a regular process instead.

I can confirm that I don't see this xhunter1.sys file in the wine bottle that I have TERA installed to. Its possible that may be due to it not being a real windows system, though.

It's a new version, yet does the same thing.
MistyTera wrote: »
Also from maple-story site it states

xxd.xem file detected and deleted via anti-virus program. So it's actually looking to corrupt an anti-virus program? THE FUDGE?!

hhhh.png

x3.xem -> x3.dll (Themida / Winlicense v2.x) -> System XIGNCODE3
xcorona.xem -> xcorona.dll (Themida / Winlicense v2.x) -> System XIGNCODE3
xcorona_x64.xem -> xcorona_x64.dll (Themida / Winlicense v2.x) -> System XIGNCODE3
xmag.xem -> xmag.xem (Code Virtualizer) -> XIGNCODE3 file
xnina.xem -> xnina.xem (Not Packed) > XIGNCODE3 file xxd
-0.xem -> xxd.dll (Not Packed) -> XIGNCODE `WatchDog` process

-XIGNCOD3 detects thread creations from the kernel level, and then checks to see if the start address comes from the white system / whitelist legal modules (not the legitimate modules or the white zone's memory strip). this gives an end to the game)
- XIGNCOD3 has its own drivers; Vtany.sys (what is this ...?) And xhunter1.sys (kernelmode driver used to monitor different apis calls through return address, minimize windows, block memory scan)
- x3.xem uses inverted polynomial crc32
- Xigncode SDK loads x3.xem as a normal DLL (LoadLibraryA). After that, the only x3.xem export will be called with a constant as a function parameter. The constant defines which direction of function to retrieve. Then the address of the recovered function is called
- x3.xem is the module of the loader that reads xmag.xem and manually "maps" around 5-10 different modules in the process space.
- x3.xem maps only a few modules, the rest is mapped manually and recursively from manually mapped modules
- x3.xem removes process attachments from external attachments to prevent tools from reading game memory
- xmag.xemis a custom archive file containing about 20 different .xem files (data file)
- XIGNCOD3 records all files and routes you have modified in the last ~ 48 hours and all executables with pre-search files in your records
- x3 .xem and xdd.xem use NtSetInformationThread with the ThreadHideFromDebugger flag in the core threads of the process
- xdd.xem uses RPM (ReadProcessMemory) to read the first 0xC8 bytes (?) of the address of the function that identifies the process
- xdd.xem checks if the loops and / or threads are open and linked to the game process from external tools, if you know, is minimized
- XIGNCOD3 uses the [send / recv] functions of winsock2_32

It creates kernel drivers to get access to your computer. ANTI-VIRUS INSTALLS KERNEL-MODE DRIVERS ON THE COMPUTER, BUT WHEN A COMPUTER CRASHES, THAT'S NOT RIGHT! XIGNCODE reverse engineering is a joke!

I think you might have read something backwards here. You seem to have found evidence of an antivirus program corrupting xigncode and not the other way around. I'll take a look in my wine bottle and see if I can find this vtany.sys.
I did not find a vtany.sys in the wine bottle I have TERA installed to. TERA is currently broken for me, though.
TERA PC - General Discussion#231 MistyTera06/10/2018, 10:12 PM
Try something and make sure command prompt is admin!

netstat -ano and netstat -nfb. You will know what's it doing by IP established connection and process! WELLBIA NEEDS TO BE SUED!

I've dealt with viruses before! By the way netstat -ano will tell you if something is stealing information like WELLBIA! Check while it's running and look up IPs. EME doesn't count!
MistyTera wrote: »
Try something and make sure command prompt is admin!

netstat -ano and netstat -nfb. You will know what's it doing by IP established connection and process! WELLBIA NEEDS TO BE SUED!

I've dealt with viruses before! By the way netstat -ano will tell you if something is stealing information like WELLBIA! Check while it's running and look up IPs. EME doesn't count!

Netstat gives information about network connections. I'm fairly sure its not going to tell you what is being sent, though. Using this logic, you might as well not even run TERA since it will open network connections. Regardless, EME should really come out and give us more information about their variant of xigncode since it quite clearly appears different than what many of the online reports report.
TERA PC - General Discussion#233 MistyTera06/10/2018, 10:27 PM
My past experience with XIGNCODE, I wasn't happy, and I had crashes with it. BSOD right on updating SKYFORGE! Yet, XIGNCODE does have updated versions. Still I think it's a joke! Some people are having problems with XIGNCODE, so I'm just being detective. If you were me, you would feel the same.

TERA PC - General Discussion#234 MistyTera06/10/2018, 10:37 PM
RandomElin wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Try something and make sure command prompt is admin!

netstat -ano and netstat -nfb. You will know what's it doing by IP established connection and process! WELLBIA NEEDS TO BE SUED!

I've dealt with viruses before! By the way netstat -ano will tell you if something is stealing information like WELLBIA! Check while it's running and look up IPs. EME doesn't count!

Netstat gives information about network connections. I'm fairly sure its not going to tell you what is being sent, though. Using this logic, you might as well not even run TERA since it will open network connections. Regardless, EME should really come out and give us more information about their variant of xigncode since it quite clearly appears different than what many of the online reports report.

What part of network connections do you not understand? It will tell you if any thing is established to send information as in packets. DUH!
MistyTera wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Try something and make sure command prompt is admin!

netstat -ano and netstat -nfb. You will know what's it doing by IP established connection and process! WELLBIA NEEDS TO BE SUED!

I've dealt with viruses before! By the way netstat -ano will tell you if something is stealing information like WELLBIA! Check while it's running and look up IPs. EME doesn't count!

Netstat gives information about network connections. I'm fairly sure its not going to tell you what is being sent, though. Using this logic, you might as well not even run TERA since it will open network connections. Regardless, EME should really come out and give us more information about their variant of xigncode since it quite clearly appears different than what many of the online reports report.

What part of network connections do you not understand? It will tell you if any thing is established to send information as in packets. I want to know if anything comes up as suspicious. If any one wants to test, be my guess. HECK NO I'M NOT GOING THERE! Paranoid? A little, but seriously I still had files in my REGISTRY! If it sends information some other way-undetected, I'm no genius to figure out how that works! Let me play detective!

There wouldn't necessarily be anything suspicious about xigncode sending packets, though. From what I gather, it includes a heart beat. This means the server periodically communicates with it to ensure it is running. It may have other legitimate reasons as an anti-cheat for network connectivity as well. I'm not sure what you are expecting to prove with netstat. If you think the packets might contain inappropriate information, try using something like a packet sniffer to examine them. If it encrypts its communications, not sure if a packet sniffer would actually tell you much, though.

For the record, my preference is still for EME to remove xigncode so that I can get back to playing TERA NA. At the rate this is going, I might have to move to TERA EU.
TERA PC - General Discussion#236 MistyTera06/10/2018, 11:29 PM
RandomElin wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Try something and make sure command prompt is admin!

netstat -ano and netstat -nfb. You will know what's it doing by IP established connection and process! WELLBIA NEEDS TO BE SUED!

I've dealt with viruses before! By the way netstat -ano will tell you if something is stealing information like WELLBIA! Check while it's running and look up IPs. EME doesn't count!

Netstat gives information about network connections. I'm fairly sure its not going to tell you what is being sent, though. Using this logic, you might as well not even run TERA since it will open network connections. Regardless, EME should really come out and give us more information about their variant of xigncode since it quite clearly appears different than what many of the online reports report.

What part of network connections do you not understand? It will tell you if any thing is established to send information as in packets. I want to know if anything comes up as suspicious. If any one wants to test, be my guess. HECK NO I'M NOT GOING THERE! Paranoid? A little, but seriously I still had files in my REGISTRY! If it sends information some other way-undetected, I'm no genius to figure out how that works! Let me play detective!

There wouldn't necessarily be anything suspicious about xigncode sending packets, though. From what I gather, it includes a heart beat. This means the server periodically communicates with it to ensure it is running. It may have other legitimate reasons as an anti-cheat for network connectivity as well. I'm not sure what you are expecting to prove with netstat. If you think the packets might contain inappropriate information, try using something like a packet sniffer to examine them. If it encrypts its communications, not sure if a packet sniffer would actually tell you much, though.

For the record, my preference is still for EME to remove xigncode so that I can get back to playing TERA NA. At the rate this is going, I might have to move to TERA EU.

What are your problems? I just know that I had a BSOD with XIGNCODE. As far as I can tell, I had Xhunter1 on my laptop computer! The desktop I did not. I download the game on desktop and transferred the game to external drive. I looked for Vtany, I didn't have it on laptop.

xhunter1.png

With netstat -ano it will tell you what is established it will tell what IP is establishing.

netstat -nfb will tell what foreign address is established, process of exe, and IP...it's the best! :)

netstat_nfb.png

Most is just mircosoft for now.

So it could tell you what XIGNCODE is establishing too. That's playing detective.
MistyTera wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Try something and make sure command prompt is admin!

netstat -ano and netstat -nfb. You will know what's it doing by IP established connection and process! WELLBIA NEEDS TO BE SUED!

I've dealt with viruses before! By the way netstat -ano will tell you if something is stealing information like WELLBIA! Check while it's running and look up IPs. EME doesn't count!

Netstat gives information about network connections. I'm fairly sure its not going to tell you what is being sent, though. Using this logic, you might as well not even run TERA since it will open network connections. Regardless, EME should really come out and give us more information about their variant of xigncode since it quite clearly appears different than what many of the online reports report.

What part of network connections do you not understand? It will tell you if any thing is established to send information as in packets. I want to know if anything comes up as suspicious. If any one wants to test, be my guess. HECK NO I'M NOT GOING THERE! Paranoid? A little, but seriously I still had files in my REGISTRY! If it sends information some other way-undetected, I'm no genius to figure out how that works! Let me play detective!

There wouldn't necessarily be anything suspicious about xigncode sending packets, though. From what I gather, it includes a heart beat. This means the server periodically communicates with it to ensure it is running. It may have other legitimate reasons as an anti-cheat for network connectivity as well. I'm not sure what you are expecting to prove with netstat. If you think the packets might contain inappropriate information, try using something like a packet sniffer to examine them. If it encrypts its communications, not sure if a packet sniffer would actually tell you much, though.

For the record, my preference is still for EME to remove xigncode so that I can get back to playing TERA NA. At the rate this is going, I might have to move to TERA EU.

What are your problems with XIGNCODE? I just know that I had a BSOD with XIGNCODE. As far as I can tell, I had Xhunter1 on my laptop computer! The desktop I did not. I download the game on desktop and transferred the game to an external drive. I looked for Vtany and all .xems, I didn't have it on laptop. I played Blade&Soul and Skyforge.

xhunter1.png

With netstat -ano it will tell you what IP is established .

netstat -nfb will tell what foreign address IP is established and process of exe...it's the best! :)

netstat_nfb.png

Most is just mircosoft for now.

So it could tell you what XIGNCODE is establishing to (It might). That's playing detective. Play detective, if you want. TERA.EXE and launcher will show as established.

By the way the xxd.xem file detected and deleted via anti-virus program. I read that correctly!

My main problem with xigncode at this point is it breaks support for non-windows operating systems. I was playing on a non-windows operating system. For a while I thought it was a rootkit, but now I suspect TERA NA's version just runs as a regular process. Still, if it requires admin access, that is still too much access for it in my opinion. Based upon all the problems it is causing, sounds like it is quite buggy. A buggy admin program reading a bunch of files. Since files it reads could be crafted by regular users, sounds like a potential security hole to me. Say some malicious code creates a specially crafted file to exploit a bug in xigncode and get admin access. If it turns out that it can be limited to running as a regular user, that would be good for security. TERA NA would still be broken for non-windows operating systems, though.

You are right that netstat should be able to give some information in regard to network connections xigncode may make. It can't really tell you what it is sending, though.
TERA PC - General Discussion#238 sum106/11/2018, 03:49 AM
I rarely use the boards but I came here when I first saw the Xigncode logo pop up. So I didn't get any advance warning. I'd rather not have a game change how windows works, much less doing so without any chance to avoid it.

Since it already modified my system, I logged in a few more times. Tera loads up noticeably slower and inventory/bank stuff is slower for me as well. It also froze up when accessing a shop. I didn't try any combat or dungeons.
sum1 wrote: »
I rarely use the boards but I came here when I first saw the Xigncode logo pop up. So I didn't get any advance warning. I'd rather not have a game change how windows works, much less doing so without any chance to avoid it.

Since it already modified my system, I logged in a few more times. Tera loads up noticeably slower and inventory/bank stuff is slower for me as well. It also froze up when accessing a shop. I didn't try any combat or dungeons.

Not sure if TERA NA's xigncode is actually running as anything more than an admin level daemon, though. However, based upon the reports of blue screens and such, it may be touching things it shouldn't really be touching. The significantly increased lag that many are reporting also isn't good. I haven't even been able to launch the client post-xigncode since I'm not running windows.
TERA PC - General Discussion#240 Christin06/11/2018, 07:08 AM
I'd just like to remind those downloading bypasses to be careful and watch out. Those other cheats and programs could compromise your systems as well if they contain viruses.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
nah, forget it, is is just paranoia

EU laws have not enforced anygame that use Xigncode over there to be removed from their games.
clfarron4 wrote: »
You can find this comment in an unofficial TERA Discord if you wish to view it yourself.

Yeah, this is my point. So many of you are saying Xingcode is peachy, because they are allowing it over in EU. However, that is not the case at all. It is against their new laws, but I highly doubt they'll be enforcing those new laws right away. They most likely will only lean against those laws if a major data breach occurs.
Well I've been with out a pc since the patch as the damn things bricked my SSD. On my 3rd attempt to log in after patch( numerous memory errors, followed by a BSOD half way through the Xigncod3 launch bar) my SSD refuses to recognize and my pc says no boot device. The pc ran fine with no issues for years, suddenly I update tera with the new malware and bam no pc. Can't even diagnose it right now. Now I've got to waste money I dont have on another hard drive. So pissed off with eme/bhs right now. Most likely won't be reinstalling Tera until they remove this crap.

If theres ever a class action lawsuit that is successful against XIGNCODE, you should be entitled to some money to replaced the damaged ssd hardware. Unfortunately single individuals attempt at a lawsuit is impossible, the cost alone for 1 hr of legal advice would cost you more than an SSD would.

There will never be a class action suit, because all EME has to say is "prove it." Plus, if there was any judgement or BHS thought it would lose, they'd just bankrupt EME and close the doors. It would be extremely tough for any lawyer to be able to get any kind of settlement from an overseas company. Hence why BHS is only suing Epic in South Korea, and they aren't even bothering to open the suit up to other countries.
TERA PC - General Discussion#241 KiraKiryu06/11/2018, 07:36 AM
well just wanted to say, someone made a thread and it was closed fast so someone from EME is watching the forums...

Anyway I was told from a friend who is good with PCs and knows a good bit about xing, has known about it for 6 years. So my friend noticed it seems to make TERA laggy and you lose FPS. The main thing my friend said tho was it is very unfriendly with old hardware and can push it to it's end, which could have been near . Which is why those with newer hardware see very little to no problems with xing.
Well im my case with i5 2500k, 8gb and a 1060 6gb... This was the byebye for me.
The only fun part about the game, for me, FWC and CS was destroyed by xing code HARD fps drop.
I5 2400 8 gb everything works. Same fps, same gameplay (~95 on mid in dung, in open world more). The only crap with small delay while open bank/inventory/guild
TERA PC - General Discussion#244 ElinUsagi06/11/2018, 03:02 PM
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I5 2400 8 gb everything works. Same fps, same gameplay (~95 on mid in dung, in open world more). The only crap with small delay while open bank/inventory/guild

Yeah, even if I have no issues runing content (BGs or Dungeons), each time I open inventory, bank, wardrobe, pet bank or any kind of window from an storage source or merchant source I notice a small delay.
I came back to Tera maybe 3-4 days before this all dropped, The day it dropped I stopped playing.

I do not think XIGNCODE3 is a rootkit, I do not think it is malware, I do not think it is "spyware" anymore than it's intended purpose on looking for cheats.

I play 3 other MMO's and a load of FPS games, I'm pretty okay with anticheats.

I'm not okay with an anticheat from a company, who can't even fund a translator for their website, let alone to have someone versed in English proof read it.

There is 0 trust in a website who "feels" like it was hobbled together by some guy in VSCode in maybe 15 minutes with some dated graphics done in gimp.

EME obviously pay for this, but they paid someone unwilling to professionally author a website... So... just what is in this code?.

It's clearly pushing people to bypasses, and a large majority of those ARE Trojans and malware, how many of you are going to audit the code on these from their Git's? How many are Open Sourced to even check? How many of you people running proxies and bypasses are going hit support when your password gets mysteriously changed?.

How many of you got a raw .zip from a link on discord to a binary that's doing "God know what" while you worry about XIGNCODE3?.

There's people in here wearing tin-foil hats SO thick we shield ourselves from solar radiation for a millennia.

There are people in here clearly invested in the cheat tools, spreading the Malware/Rootkit lines, do you antagonists really think people are that stupid?.

One, is reciting every forum post "she" can find from every game under the sun, spewing wrong information about files not even included in the client, and behavior in no way exhibited by it.

EME, if you want us to take Tera seriously, be more serious.
TERA PC - General Discussion#246 vkobe06/11/2018, 04:44 PM
Well im my case with i5 2500k, 8gb and a 1060 6gb... This was the byebye for me.
The only fun part about the game, for me, FWC and CS was destroyed by xing code HARD fps drop.

do you think i5 7500 gtx 1050 ti is better than i5 2500k gtx 1060 ? or it is the 2500k ?
Missguided wrote: »
I came back to Tera maybe 3-4 days before this all dropped, The day it dropped I stopped playing.

I do not think XIGNCODE3 is a rootkit, I do not think it is malware, I do not think it is "spyware" anymore than it's intended purpose on looking for cheats.

I play 3 other MMO's and a load of FPS games, I'm pretty okay with anticheats.

I'm not okay with an anticheat from a company, who can't even fund a translator for their website, let alone to have someone versed in English proof read it.

There is 0 trust in a website who "feels" like it was hobbled together by some guy in VSCode in maybe 15 minutes with some dated graphics done in gimp.

EME obviously pay for this, but they paid someone unwilling to professionally author a website... So... just what is in this code?.

It's clearly pushing people to bypasses, and a large majority of those ARE Trojans and malware, how many of you are going to audit the code on these from their Git's? How many are Open Sourced to even check? How many of you people running proxies and bypasses are going hit support when your password gets mysteriously changed?.

How many of you got a raw .zip from a link on discord to a binary that's doing "God knows what" while you worry about XIGNCODE3?.

There's people in here wearing tin-foil hats SO thick we could shield ourselves from solar radiation for a millennia.

There are people in here clearly invested in the cheat tools, spreading the Malware/Rootkit lines, do you antagonists really think people are that stupid?.

One, is reciting every forum post "she" can find from every game under the sun, spewing wrong information about files not even included in the client, and behavior in no way exhibited by it.

EME, if you want us to take Tera seriously, be more serious.


I mean there is only one functional bypass and it was started by a beloved community modder who was banned by EME. Alongside a bunch of other modders who wanted to improved the game, but got banned.

I mean there is only one functional bypass and it was started by a beloved community modder who was banned by EME. Alongside a bunch of other modders who wanted to improved the game, but got banned.

Google says there's FAR more than one.

I can find shady links to them in youtube comments, in this forum, in reddit, all on crazy sites like megaupload...

None have included checksums or hashes to check, you're all just blindly downloading stuff coz "Dude x says is cool yo!".

You trust some shady guys making trojans, more than you trust the people you pay for a game?.

That doesn't make sense on any level, to anyone.
Missguided wrote: »
I mean there is only one functional bypass and it was started by a beloved community modder who was banned by EME. Alongside a bunch of other modders who wanted to improved the game, but got banned.

Google says there's FAR more than one.

I can find shady links to them in youtube comments, in this forum, in reddit, all on crazy sites like megaupload...

None have included checksums or hashes to check, you're all just blindly downloading stuff coz "Dude x says is cool yo!".

You trust some shady guys making trojans, more than you trust the people you pay for a game?.

That doesn't make sense on any level, to anyone.

and eme trusts a shady site that provides a shady app that hogs ram like crazy and stops nothing,even cheat engine
i can't even find a single reason for them to trust that app

and so comes the question,why we have a "software" that does nothing?
Missguided wrote: »
I mean there is only one functional bypass and it was started by a beloved community modder who was banned by EME. Alongside a bunch of other modders who wanted to improved the game, but got banned.

Google says there's FAR more than one.

I can find shady links to them in youtube comments, in this forum, in reddit, all on crazy sites like megaupload...

None have included checksums or hashes to check, you're all just blindly downloading stuff coz "Dude x says is cool yo!".

You trust some shady guys making trojans, more than you trust the people you pay for a game?.

That doesn't make sense on any level, to anyone.

it's on github so you can always inspect the code
TERA PC - General Discussion#251 Christin06/11/2018, 07:17 PM
The info I got was that Xingcode isn't really about in game cheaters at all. It's about cheating exploits and Xingcode is trying to find players using viruses through the game to grab player data. Something on the lines of the criminal activity with PUBG. You know, get players to download cheats/whatever which installs the trojan, so their system can be accessed etc.

Not sure if it's true, but that might be why Xingcode wants to take control and conflicts with anti-virus programs.
TERA PC - General Discussion#252 Bindor06/11/2018, 07:18 PM
Equitas wrote: »
because your apps are supposedly faulting out and you supposed blue-screened. XIGNCODE doesn't do that. You were either negligent with your hard drive, altered or deleted something you weren't supposed to, or your hard drive has reached the end of its life.

There are posts claiming that some computers BSOD after xing starts up. Too many claims to chalk it up to people not knowing what they are doing. I've upgraded, feel free to troll me if you like, but i'm using several tools to try to see what xing is actually doing. Sad thing is it doesn't even seem to notice. For those of you who do read this, when xing runs on my computer it does not install any drivers or change my registry in any way. I'm not sure about others i can only speak for myself. When i use process explorer, xing is a child process directly tied to Tera. If i kill it, tera dies, which tells me the xing client has been embedded in the Tera framework directly vs being installed separately. It only runs and is invoked when the game is running. Also from my research it seems to bypass, if that is your thing, requires a specif version to hook into Tera. I could be reading things wrong but I don't know that there is a generic bypass for xing overall. There are people who claim to have one, but they want you to pay. Sounds fishy to me.

Someone else, i don't remember who, said that most of us already give away most of our information to the public net anyway on a daily basis, and i think if you do some research you'll be surprised at how much info you really do give away without knowing it.

I agree this whole thing boils down to transparency, trust, and usefulness. EME could have warned us up front about this, they could have at least acted like they heard the community to instill trust, but i guess not. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have bypassed xing, and there are plenty of videos out there to show it's real, so in the end we are asked to trust EME, in that they selected a partner for a product that doesn't really do what it says it does, and that we should trust a 3rd party, foreign company to be doing the right thing. That seems to be a stretch.

FYI, when i uninstalled tera, all traces of xing were gone. the only place on my computer i found anything xing was in BDO, and Tera and that all disappeared upon cleaning up. I've run registry comparisons and found nothing, zero, that relates to xing, but as i said others may have different experiences. At the end of the day, do your research, then make a decision on what you believe, who you trust, and how comfortable you are with the situation.
@Laemie Yea, me too I'm on Geforce Now for Mac and it shows the same problem
There's a LOT of misinformation and confusion in this thread, because the official information we have amounts to absolutely nothing. "We put it in to try to stop cheaters" is their entire statement. But the fact that it doesn't stop cheaters, and does significantly harm performance for many people has not been addressed at all. These massive forum posts are just people panicking because there is no information, same way 1000+ people started using cheats this week to bypass the thing. Nobody is worried about eme's response because they don't seem to respond to anything, so everyone can safely keep cheating and this game i enjoy and play a lot will keep getting worse for the few of us who still refuse to cheat.
Idk how stupid you should be to not give any comment to your action and allow this panic. Eme in my eyes dropped to state when I feel disgusted even think of them. Bold, not qualified and arrogant company. And idc if I get ban. They deserv this description imo.
There's a LOT of misinformation and confusion in this thread, because the official information we have amounts to absolutely nothing.

To be honest, if EME had come out and said "Oh, we messed up", or "We didn't expect Xigncode3 to be an issue", I would be a disgruntled at their lack of foresight, but really, almost nothing they could reasonably say about the topic would make me angrier than the near complete silence we have been given.

More than anything, it is the lack of clear information and communication about this topic that makes me distrust and dislike EME more and more with each passing day. In my previous post, I already gave a few examples, but the issue extends to their actions even before Xigncode was implemented. Take for example, the changes to the privacy terms mentioned by KitTeaCup when she closed the previous thread - "in fact, you’ll have just seen our updated privacy terms that we’re ensuring XIGNCODE complies with as well".

The Privacy Policy claims "We'll notify you of material changes via a notice on our home page (www.enmasse.com) thirty days before they go into effect." As far as I can tell, that did not happen.

I will admit that it is possible that I was simply not looking in the right place. If anyone saw a notice about the update to privacy terms, please let me know.

On top of that, there seems to be no -official- statement about Xigncode3 prior to June 5th.

On top of that, there seems to be no -official- statement about Xigncode3 prior to June 5th.
The worst part of this, is the official statement came as a response to a player calling them out publicly on it. Communication has never been eme's strong suit, and it looks like we're going down the road gameforge went down on EU a couple years ago.. hopefully en masse can figure it out soon™ before we wind up losing even more players...
TERA PC - General Discussion#258 TomRipley06/11/2018, 11:23 PM
The worst part of this, is the official statement came as a response to a player calling them out publicly on it. Communication has never been eme's strong suit, and it looks like we're going down the road gameforge went down on EU a couple years ago.. hopefully en masse can figure it out soon™ before we wind up losing even more players...

After I heard Sean's "statement" on the friday stream, I've pretty much given up hope. That was a very, very sad moment. That came across as so oblivious and arrogant regarding community concerns that I can't imagine that they'll follow it up with anything substantial.

Although honestly, they should.
From all I've gathered from the forums, there is a *slight* decline in players. Doesn't sound that bad, right? But then again, take into consideration that it also coincides with the very moment of a new content and gear patch, and that's traditionally when player numbers spike.
TomRipley wrote: »
The worst part of this, is the official statement came as a response to a player calling them out publicly on it. Communication has never been eme's strong suit, and it looks like we're going down the road gameforge went down on EU a couple years ago.. hopefully en masse can figure it out soon™ before we wind up losing even more players...

After I heard Sean's "statement" on the friday stream, I've pretty much given up hope. That was a very, very sad moment. That came across as so oblivious and arrogant regarding community concerns that I can't imagine that they'll follow it up with anything substantial.

Although honestly, they should.
From all I've gathered from the forums, there is a *slight* decline in players. Doesn't sound that bad, right? But then again, take into consideration that it also coincides with the very moment of a new content and gear patch, and that's traditionally when player numbers spike.

From some of the reports I've seen, sounds like "slight decline" may be an understatement. I can't actually get the client to run now, so I can't get on a server to verify myself, though. You bring up a good point that normally the player base would be spiking about now. That it has actually dropped instead in quite telling.
TERA PC - General Discussion#260 TomRipley06/11/2018, 11:42 PM
RandomElin wrote: »
TomRipley wrote: »
From some of the reports I've seen, sounds like "slight decline" may be an understatement. I can't actually get the client to run now, so I can't get on a server to verify myself, though. You bring up a good point that normally the player base would be spiking about now. That it has actually dropped instead in quite telling.

I also can't verify if it's a slight decline or if more players have left, since I've uninstalled Tera shortly I've read about xigncode3. This is just my conclusion observing the forums and talking to the few friends that also haven't removed Tera.

I did want to make a point of a new content/gear not increasing players numbers significantly though, since I've read a few times already that a "slight decline" is nothing to worry about. And I agree that it likely wouldn't be if it weren't for the nature of the patch. New content is the one thing that traditionally gets "season players" to come back in droves.
TomRipley wrote: »
The worst part of this, is the official statement came as a response to a player calling them out publicly on it. Communication has never been eme's strong suit, and it looks like we're going down the road gameforge went down on EU a couple years ago.. hopefully en masse can figure it out soon™ before we wind up losing even more players...

After I heard Sean's "statement" on the friday stream, I've pretty much given up hope. That was a very, very sad moment. That came across as so oblivious and arrogant regarding community concerns that I can't imagine that they'll follow it up with anything substantial.

Although honestly, they should.
From all I've gathered from the forums, there is a *slight* decline in players. Doesn't sound that bad, right? But then again, take into consideration that it also coincides with the very moment of a new content and gear patch, and that's traditionally when player numbers spike.

I'm not worried about the decline in players, it doesn't bother me because that's just tera, those people will probably be back.. what DOES worry me is the HUGE spike in people cheating. It's not healthy for a game when most players consider a third-party cheat program to be required for play.
TomRipley wrote: »
The worst part of this, is the official statement came as a response to a player calling them out publicly on it. Communication has never been eme's strong suit, and it looks like we're going down the road gameforge went down on EU a couple years ago.. hopefully en masse can figure it out soon™ before we wind up losing even more players...

After I heard Sean's "statement" on the friday stream, I've pretty much given up hope. That was a very, very sad moment. That came across as so oblivious and arrogant regarding community concerns that I can't imagine that they'll follow it up with anything substantial.

Although honestly, they should.
From all I've gathered from the forums, there is a *slight* decline in players. Doesn't sound that bad, right? But then again, take into consideration that it also coincides with the very moment of a new content and gear patch, and that's traditionally when player numbers spike.

I'm not worried about the decline in players, it doesn't bother me because that's just tera, those people will probably be back.. what DOES worry me is the HUGE spike in people cheating. It's not healthy for a game when most players consider a third-party cheat program to be required for play.

Talking about cheats, EME should really try implementing some so called quality of life cheats themselves as an added bonus type of thing for playing on TERA NA. Of course, they wouldn't be cheats if they were standard. I suspect that would cut down on more actual cheating than the xigncode rollout. Also, maybe it would cut down on all the cries of "poorly optimized".
RandomElin wrote: »
Talking about cheats, EME should really try implementing some so called quality of life cheats themselves as an added bonus type of thing for playing on TERA NA. Of course, they wouldn't be cheats if they were standard. I suspect that would cut down on more actual cheating than the xigncode rollout. Also, maybe it would cut down on all the cries of "poorly optimized".

I don't think eme is actually capable of that for the most part.. I think the best we could hope for from eme acting independently would be "stock" ini edits, or other minor things like that.
what DOES worry me is the HUGE spike in people cheating. It's not healthy for a game when most players consider a third-party cheat program to be required for play.

As an interesting side note, according to Google Trends, the search frequency for "Tera Proxy" is at its highest point since august of 2017, and the search frequency for "Xigncode3 Bypass" is at its highest point since 2015.



RandomElin wrote: »
TomRipley wrote: »
The worst part of this, is the official statement came as a response to a player calling them out publicly on it. Communication has never been eme's strong suit, and it looks like we're going down the road gameforge went down on EU a couple years ago.. hopefully en masse can figure it out soon™ before we wind up losing even more players...

After I heard Sean's "statement" on the friday stream, I've pretty much given up hope. That was a very, very sad moment. That came across as so oblivious and arrogant regarding community concerns that I can't imagine that they'll follow it up with anything substantial.

Although honestly, they should.
From all I've gathered from the forums, there is a *slight* decline in players. Doesn't sound that bad, right? But then again, take into consideration that it also coincides with the very moment of a new content and gear patch, and that's traditionally when player numbers spike.

I'm not worried about the decline in players, it doesn't bother me because that's just tera, those people will probably be back.. what DOES worry me is the HUGE spike in people cheating. It's not healthy for a game when most players consider a third-party cheat program to be required for play.

Talking about cheats, EME should really try implementing some so called quality of life cheats themselves as an added bonus type of thing for playing on TERA NA. Of course, they wouldn't be cheats if they were standard. I suspect that would cut down on more actual cheating than the xigncode rollout. Also, maybe it would cut down on all the cries of "poorly optimized".

Also, in regard to the decline in players, a significant portion of the player base should (in theory at least) have had xigncode hammer the game experience for them. If they are leaving due to that and not wanting to cheat, I imaging they would be pretty leery about coming back if xigncode is still there.
RandomElin wrote: »
Talking about cheats, EME should really try implementing some so called quality of life cheats themselves as an added bonus type of thing for playing on TERA NA. Of course, they wouldn't be cheats if they were standard. I suspect that would cut down on more actual cheating than the xigncode rollout. Also, maybe it would cut down on all the cries of "poorly optimized".

I don't think eme is actually capable of that for the most part.. I think the best we could hope for from eme acting independently would be "stock" ini edits, or other minor things like that.

I see your point. I wonder if they could make some kind of deal with the third party developers of some of the quality of life cheats. Not expecting them to, though.
what DOES worry me is the HUGE spike in people cheating. It's not healthy for a game when most players consider a third-party cheat program to be required for play.

As an interesting side note, according to Google Trends, the search frequency for "Tera Proxy" is at its highest point since august of 2017, and the search frequency for "Xigncode3 Bypass" is at its highest point since 2015.



I admit I googled both "tera proxy" and "xigncode3 bypass" since I was curious about that. Would rather not resort to that kind of thing to get the client to run due to potentially getting banned later over it. Talk about a disincentive to invest time and money into TERA NA. lol
TERA PC - General Discussion#268 MistyTera06/12/2018, 12:14 AM
BEFORE YOU READ! MOST PEOPLE WILL FEEL EXACTLY HOW I FEEL

THE HISTORY

It started with macros, dps meters, some stupid meme slash, speed hacks, damage hacks, jump hacks, you name it! I look at global at the corner of my eye and I KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON! People that hacked, I BLAME YOU! THIS IS WHAT YOU CREATED!

OK EVERYONE I'VE BEEN EVERYWHERE ON THE NET! SO SOAK THIS ALL IN ON XIGNCODE!

SO I'M LITERALLY LIKE....

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First of all, I never really-REALLY-TOTALLY stated that XIGNCODE is malware! Yet, I don't know if I can trust these Korean hooligans that don't know how to reverse engineer! No offense by just by researching, people proved how easy it is to bypass XIGNCODE! I'm not going to use a bypass, just so that I can play TERA! I'm going to be legitimate and I want XIGNCODE GONE! Seeing complaints, when some dumb XIGNCODE ANTI-HACK TOOL program thinks there is a suspicious program running, when there is not! Some driver for your keyboard, it might think incompetent?! A gamer mouse it might not like with too many buttons?! YEAH I SAW THAT ON HERE! I'M TICKED! AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO! I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO STATE MY MIND ON XIGNCODE!

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I TRIED TO HELP THE COMMUNITY!
I got sick of dps meters, so I tried to encourage everyone to play together and learn together to learn their class; test on each other. It's the best way to learn together! People with problems with internet, I don't know, but some proxy so that a player using it won't lag, and they slow everyone around them or something? Yes I've seen people discuss about on global! ARGHH JUST WHY? I get though, but it's that's not how it's solved when you have bad disconnects! You know I felt really good and I've had problems with dns probe finished no internet in the past. Friends have helped me with those problems. If people would just set their DNS INFO on both IPv4 and IPv6 (If you have ability on router) from your provider, you will have less disconnects, and the internet will work better with better efficiency! I helped a Brazilian that was questing on the IOD (THE ARIA QUEST), and he stated with these exact words, "OH I CAN DO THIS ALL DAY!" Meaning his skills would cast so smoothly! I'M NOT KIDDING! So you know I try to help everyone and apparently from my past experience with XIGNCODE, I wasn't expecting this incompetent ANTI-HACK TOOL to appear in my face again! If people weren't so ignorant and also not so incompetent! We wouldn't be stuck with this XIGNCODE! So yes I blame part of this community! SORRY! Also I even stated how easy it is to get caught by the internet. Yet, no one took my insight. Just Ignorance.

I FEEL THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW
I know what's going on or suspect the issues of errors that become so intrusive by the community and else where. If people really want to know who I am, I've been gaming before 2009. Probably since 2006, but I can't remember that far. Anyways, I've dealt with many hackers, yet really no one is going to put a virus on your computer. There is going to be such a low chance of something so malicious and most likely the case is just affecting other players within the game. Yet, the 2017 chat vulnerability was fixed without a ANTI-HACK TOOL. So that's how TERA should be configured! EME/BHS needs to fix the hacks that exist, not some alternative that is simply incompetent! The problem is that hacks still exist and GOLD SELLER ARE STILL PRESENT!

So lets get this straight...I HAD xhunter1 on my computer!

MY LAPTOP BEFORE I DELETED IT! xhunter1 is linked to WELLBIA! (FIRST PICTURE BELOW)

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PROOF xhunter1 is linked to WELLBIA! (LINK BELOW)

https://google.com/search?ei=PMceW_6dD8uQtQW6x7uoAg&q=what+is+xhunter1&oq=what+is+xhunter1&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0.11762.14605.0.15194.12.10.2.0.0.0.151.760.9j1.10.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.11.719...0i7i30k1j0i7i10i30k1j0i13k1j0i13i30k1j0i8i13i30k1.0.yQNl4VSOn1I

DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

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In case anyone does not know once installed XIGNCODE, it will install a kernel sys driver onto your system that runs with the sub key "type" set to 1 which means it's set to not show in the list of services and it also runs with the highest access rights on your system so it could do a lot like key log or access and modify files on your computer and hardware etc. Yet, I believe XIGNCODE now uses temporary kernal sys to be safe by measures or just .xem files. Yet, I will show below that XIGNCODE is still a problem!

0x00000001 implies a 32-bit value...I thinking forward if anyone understands?

XIGNCODE is not is not stated to be malicious because there is no intention for it to be. However, bad reverse engineering can be a culprit of conflict with some computers. It's modifying permissions to read it! Yet, some nerd doesn't know that once you start modifying admin rights, blue-screen happens to prevent damage or simply some bad reverse engineering! XIGNCODE hooks essential Windows API and detours them through their own function.

From what I understand, antiviruses hook to a file, accesses it and scan the files, and if necessary, make the file inaccessible to protect the system. Apparently XIGNCODE might not do that, therefore might cause a BSOD!

That's the background knowledge you need to know how XIGNCODE works. The cause of conflicts can cause BSODs. For example, lets say you have updated your Windows recently and it may have made a change to the kernel or to the APIs that xhunter1.sys hooks to. There is going to be a mismatch, which causes XignCode to BSOD. Eg. void thisIsAFunction( int importantVariable), but XignCode overwrites it with void thisIsAFunction ( string importantVariable). It will cause an instant BSOD.

I've been everywhere! So yeah don't ask! I literally went to XIGNCODE bypass sites that explain it. I can admit, people have been trying to solve their own problems with XIGNCODE on that site! BECAUSE IT'S THAT INTRUSIVE AND DUMB! I only did this to try to understand and explain things, yet it wasn't elaborate. I'm not going further with it! That is not my concern or intention!

I know xhunter1 is in fact from WELLBIA and has created conflicts! It states it everywhere on the net! IT WAS ON MY COMPUTER!

I didn't have xhunter1.sys, since the file deleted, when I did system restore I believe; it always can leave registry entries.

Theoretically, Xhunter1 could be a temporary file, but once there is a conflict, it stays in registry? As I stated, because I don't know why it doesn't show up for ElinUsagi and others. I'm assume that I dealt with an old version of XIGNCODE, but still I can prove 2018 issues going on!

Different versions will have a different file name on sys on kernel drivers it makes?

By the way I'm not going to reformat my computer so that XIGNCODE won't conflict and some stated that will prevent problems. That's ridiculous!

After many years, I concur that Anti-Cheat solutions might have adapted to a lot of different operating systems and variants, which should in theory will rarely will cause BSOD. However, it is still possible, since some are still having issues of BSOD, every time the game booted, since XIGNCODE, nguard, or whatever anti-hack tool that begins it's conflict with kernel files. It's always linked to kernel drivers! Make sense now? I'm starting to get a headache! I proved my point on what's going on!

I can't explain even more than that! If no one can understand? START RESEARCHING YOURSELF AND YOU WILL GET IT!

SOME REFERENCES

https://forums.enmasse.com/ava/discussion/984/xigncode-usa-error

forum.dragonnest.com/sea/support-aa/technical-issue/135198-bsod-when-when-xigncode-is-loading

https://forums.enmasse.com/closers/discussion/4624/bluescreen-of-death

There is a pattern of people still crashing! So I can't fathom to why? So really based on these facts and actual pics stating links to something, xhunter1 in the BSOD log in the past! That is a problem! Xhunter is linked to WELLBIA! Kernal conflict with some XIGNCODE is always linked to it! So it's legit that something is not behaving properly! Now there is conflict with .xem, which has me like

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https://community.ogrefest.online/topic/66/xigncode-crashing

WINDOWS WON'T ALLOW IT! It's how computers work! LINKED TO KERNEL!

kernelbase.dll is used by 'Windows'.This is an application created by 'Microsoft Corporation'. XIGNCODE conflicted with it! GET IT? I HOPE SO!

SO CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON? I GET THE IDEA IT'S CONFLICTING! AS I STATED I'M NO COMPUTER EXPERT, BUT SINCE THERE IS A LINK SOMEWHERE WITH KERNAL! THAT'S A PROBLEM!

IF I'M WRONG? I'M WRONG! BUT EVERYTHING I SEE IS LINKED TO KERNEL! I'm so sick of playing detective, but this is all that I can fathom.
MistyTera wrote: »
memes

can you stop spamming your barely coherent ranting? it's crowding up a thread which is full of actual discussions.
TERA PC - General Discussion#270 ElinUsagi06/12/2018, 12:22 AM
what DOES worry me is the HUGE spike in people cheating. It's not healthy for a game when most players consider a third-party cheat program to be required for play.

As an interesting side note, according to Google Trends, the search frequency for "Tera Proxy" is at its highest point since august of 2017, and the search frequency for "Xigncode3 Bypass" is at its highest point since 2015.



So, that means TERA have more players mow than other games that have included Xigncode since 2015?
My current opinion of TERA NA's xigncode is that it likely just runs as an admin level daemon alongside the TERA NA client. The problem is that it hammered the game experience for lots of players. I believe this is due to it being added after the player base was already established. If it had been included since the beginning, the player base would have been self selected to not have a problem with xigncode.

I do not like the notion of xigncode running as admin. If I understand correctly, some of the files it scans could be generated by regular users. What if some malicious code is able to exploit xigncode by creating a specially crafted file to gain admin access? Does anyone know if xigncode can be run as a regular user instead of as admin?
ElinUsagi wrote: »
what DOES worry me is the HUGE spike in people cheating. It's not healthy for a game when most players consider a third-party cheat program to be required for play.

As an interesting side note, according to Google Trends, the search frequency for "Tera Proxy" is at its highest point since august of 2017, and the search frequency for "Xigncode3 Bypass" is at its highest point since 2015.



So, that means TERA have more players mow than other games that have included Xigncode since 2015?

Not necessarily. I think the sharp uptick in searches is due to the established nature of the player base at the time xigncode was introduced. Also, we don't know how many players searching for that info are actually using it to bypass xigncode.
TERA PC - General Discussion#273 MistyTera06/12/2018, 12:45 AM
You have no idea of what I've been through to show that there is issues with XIGNCODE!

I'm exhausted! So I summed it all into one post of what I found and my thoughts.
TERA PC - General Discussion#274 Kinoshi06/12/2018, 02:26 AM
Bindor wrote: »
For those of you who do read this, when xing runs on my computer it does not install any drivers or change my registry in any way. I'm not sure about others i can only speak for myself.

Same here.
When i use process explorer, xing is a child process directly tied to Tera. If i kill it, tera dies, which tells me the xing client has been embedded in the Tera framework directly vs being installed separately. It only runs and is invoked when the game is running.

Seeing the same behavior here. So far, on my system, Xigncode is being rather well behaved. Still don't like it obviously since I have no idea what data it's collecting (even though I don't use my gaming PC for anything sensitive).
I agree this whole thing boils down to transparency, trust, and usefulness. EME could have warned us up front about this, they could have at least acted like they heard the community to instill trust, but i guess not. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have bypassed xing, and there are plenty of videos out there to show it's real, so in the end we are asked to trust EME, in that they selected a partner for a product that doesn't really do what it says it does, and that we should trust a 3rd party, foreign company to be doing the right thing. That seems to be a stretch.

Well said, agree completely.
FYI, when i uninstalled tera, all traces of xing were gone. I've run registry comparisons and found nothing, zero, that relates to xing, but as i said others may have different experiences.

Again, seeing the same behavior on my PC. Xigncode seems to exist only in the Tera binaries folder. Nothing relating to xhunter1.sys and no registry entries.
TERA PC - General Discussion#275 MistyTera06/12/2018, 02:57 AM
xhunter1 is old version. Yet something is causing a conflict for some people! I showed that a .xem file caused a problem. It's called xcoronahost.xem.

So will you stop proving that it is fine for you! ALL COMPUTERS RUN DIFFERENTLY! Since something is in link with XINGCODE on BSOD, JUST STOP TYPING! YOU HAVEN'T PROVED ANYTHING! People never read do they? That frustrates me greatly.

TERA PC - General Discussion#276 Kinoshi06/12/2018, 03:43 AM
MistyTera wrote: »
Since XIGNCODE has been embedded in the Tera framework directly vs being installed separately. I might give it go? Yet, I'm a bit paranoid from past experiences with XIGNCODE! Now that I remember the name! XIGNCODE is such a mess at times! Seeing people with problems on forums, just adds more paranoid to even try. I'm not going there again! I think you can understand my discern, if you were me.

Set a restore point in Windows before running the new patch. That way if you find you have problems, just roll back. No harm done.
Kinoshi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Since XIGNCODE has been embedded in the Tera framework directly vs being installed separately. I might give it go? Yet, I'm a bit paranoid from past experiences with XIGNCODE! Now that I remember the name! XIGNCODE is such a mess at times! Seeing people with problems on forums, just adds more paranoid to even try. I'm not going there again! I think you can understand my discern, if you were me.

Set a restore point in Windows before running the new patch. That way if you find you have problems, just roll back. No harm done.

Unless it trashes the system so bad it needs a reinstall. Chances of that probably aren't that great, though. I suspect the typical player will just get degraded performance. If you are on linux or mac, the chances of getting the client to run with xigncode are pretty much zero. I finally registered with TERA EU. I think I'll wait to see what happens with the maintenance tomorrow to decide if I will migrate to TERA EU, though.
TERA PC - General Discussion#278 Christin06/12/2018, 05:56 AM
TomRipley wrote: »
The worst part of this, is the official statement came as a response to a player calling them out publicly on it. Communication has never been eme's strong suit, and it looks like we're going down the road gameforge went down on EU a couple years ago.. hopefully en masse can figure it out soon™ before we wind up losing even more players...

After I heard Sean's "statement" on the friday stream, I've pretty much given up hope. That was a very, very sad moment. That came across as so oblivious and arrogant regarding community concerns that I can't imagine that they'll follow it up with anything substantial.

Although honestly, they should.
From all I've gathered from the forums, there is a *slight* decline in players. Doesn't sound that bad, right? But then again, take into consideration that it also coincides with the very moment of a new content and gear patch, and that's traditionally when player numbers spike.

Kind of reminds me of when he made a comment that we get too much stuff for free. I think arrogant is the correct word to use.
MistyTera wrote: »
xhunter1 is old version. I don't know? It seems like it is. Yet, something is causing a conflict for some people! I showed that a .xem file caused a problem. It's called xcoronahost.xem. Also I basically explained everything in one post on how XIGNCODE can behave and accidentally cause an error or BSOD as much as I can fathom.

It's always linked to kernel files. If you haven't discovered that already?

Since XIGNCODE has been embedded in the Tera framework directly vs being installed separately. I might give it go? Yet, I'm a bit paranoid from past experiences with XIGNCODE! Now that I remember the name! XIGNCODE is such a mess at times! Seeing people with problems on forums, just adds more paranoid to even try. I'm not going there again! I think you can understand my discern, if you were me.

Thanks for all of your hard work. I think with all of this information, people can blame themselves if they update Tera and something happens. You've done pretty much all you can do.

I'm just waiting for Wellbia to get a rogue employee. I will make popcorn and watch the carnage. I also wonder how Xingcode is so easily bypassed when it's trying so hard for total control. Maybe the bypasses will become corrupt, and then comes judgement day. They'll say that's what we get for trying to make peace with the north. Of course, that will still be better than the servers full of kids waiting to get carried in dungeons. Don't mess up too many systems EME or those moms will come out of hiding to get you!
Christin wrote: »
TomRipley wrote: »
The worst part of this, is the official statement came as a response to a player calling them out publicly on it. Communication has never been eme's strong suit, and it looks like we're going down the road gameforge went down on EU a couple years ago.. hopefully en masse can figure it out soon™ before we wind up losing even more players...

After I heard Sean's "statement" on the friday stream, I've pretty much given up hope. That was a very, very sad moment. That came across as so oblivious and arrogant regarding community concerns that I can't imagine that they'll follow it up with anything substantial.

Although honestly, they should.
From all I've gathered from the forums, there is a *slight* decline in players. Doesn't sound that bad, right? But then again, take into consideration that it also coincides with the very moment of a new content and gear patch, and that's traditionally when player numbers spike.

Kind of reminds me of when he made a comment that we get too much stuff for free. I think arrogant is the correct word to use.
MistyTera wrote: »
xhunter1 is old version. I don't know? It seems like it is. Yet, something is causing a conflict for some people! I showed that a .xem file caused a problem. It's called xcoronahost.xem. Also I basically explained everything in one post on how XIGNCODE can behave and accidentally cause an error or BSOD as much as I can fathom.

It's always linked to kernel files. If you haven't discovered that already?

Since XIGNCODE has been embedded in the Tera framework directly vs being installed separately. I might give it go? Yet, I'm a bit paranoid from past experiences with XIGNCODE! Now that I remember the name! XIGNCODE is such a mess at times! Seeing people with problems on forums, just adds more paranoid to even try. I'm not going there again! I think you can understand my discern, if you were me.

Thanks for all of your hard work. I think with all of this information, people can blame themselves if they update Tera and something happens. You've done pretty much all you can do.

I'm just waiting for Wellbia to get a rogue employee. I will make popcorn and watch the carnage. I also wonder how Xingcode is so easily bypassed when it's trying so hard for total control. Maybe the bypasses will become corrupt, and then comes judgement day. They'll say that's what we get for trying to make peace with the north. Of course, that will still be better than the servers full of kids waiting to get carried in dungeons. Don't mess up too many systems EME or those moms will come out of hiding to get you!

Doesn't sound like TERA NA's xingcode is trying for total control, though. I believe it is just running as an admin level daemon alongside the client. It does look like a security hole to me, though. That kind of thing should not be running with admin privileges.

As for the bypass, if I understand right, it basically replaces xingcode. Think of it as an xingcode emulator that doesn't actually do anything but allow the game client to run.
Why is the clear cheat still posting other peoples problems from BDO like it's proven fact for Tera?.

Why aren't admins in here locking down that account that's clearly against this whole thing because they stand to lose from it.

The shallow repeating rants laced with gif's and other people pictures are tantamount to admission.

If XIGNCODE3 didn't stop me playing, this cheater trying her best to bend you all to her "OMG THEY GONNA BLOCK THE HACK I PAID FOR" mentality would have.

It got old, fast.
Missguided wrote: »
Why is the clear cheat still posting other peoples problems from BDO like it's proven fact for Tera?.

Why aren't admins in here locking down that account that's clearly against this whole thing because they stand to lose from it.

The shallow repeating rants laced with gif's and other people pictures are tantamount to admission.

If XIGNCODE3 didn't stop me playing, this cheater trying her best to bend you all to her "OMG THEY GONNA BLOCK THE HACK I PAID FOR" mentality would have.

It got old, fast.

xigncode does not block any hacks or cheats, at all. zero. none. i don't know why they're spamming, but that's not the reason.
TERA PC - General Discussion#282 Kajidono06/12/2018, 01:34 PM
Well, since I can't login to the game at all because of this garbage, I decided to go see if it even legal to install and run it on our machines without our knowledge or consent. Turns out it isn't legal in Canada, so far: https://www.cwilson.com/casl-update-installing-a-computer-program-without-consent-is-now-illegal/
TERA PC - General Discussion#283 Peorth06/12/2018, 02:06 PM
Sorry to pop your cherry, but that law is only for drive by installs of browser bars such as alexa crap.

Xigncode as anti-cheat part of tera is not a separate program but now a part of tera, therefore not affected by that law. It's part of the core service of providing the game to you. It's not a tacked on drive-by download unrelated to tera.
TERA PC - General Discussion#284 Kajidono06/12/2018, 03:24 PM
Doesn't matter. They can install it, but they are required by law to ASK FIRST. The only exception is if it's part of an update, but you must be able to hit an update button. Tera doesn't have that. It's all automated.
IS not an anti cheat. Just an fps killer.
I can cheat if i want to, even with NO xingcode bypass.
Proxys meters and Cheat engine stil work just as before.

TERA PC - General Discussion#286 MistyTera06/12/2018, 03:47 PM
RandomElin wrote: »
I finally registered with TERA EU. I think I'll wait to see what happens with the maintenance tomorrow to decide if I will migrate to TERA EU, though.

I'm questioning to why EU doesn't use XIGNCODE? I think they know what's up! And I they reported the game as potentially harmful/malware, since Xigncode's kernel mode driver's installation isn't communicated properly, and it's clearly going out of scope for an anti-cheating tool.

GF_Employee_on_Xigncode.PNG

The data law, hmmm, they know what's UP! Wish I could transfer all my characters to EU from NA Mount Tyrannas.

I can confirm. Xigncode still here after maintenance. Have the IMS queues recovered, or are they still on the dead side?
I dont get it. Some of u are literally admitting that u guys been using malicious third party programs.
U said xigncode didnt do anything against the malicious programs, and yet some of u already succumbed.
Unable to access the game, game crashing, blue screen of death, etc.

I just logged in today. No bots in velika. Did my 16 dailies vg quest.
Laggy as usual. Same ol' same ol'.

Back in the days where BnS were using gameguard, people were complaining about the anti-cheat software because normal players were having trouble logging in because their logins were put on queue. Meanwhile the pvp arena were filled to the brim with bots, and bot trains can be seen in practically in every other dungeon instances. Their complaint at that time were legit.

But here, in Tera forum? What do u mean that u can bypass xigncode and still use exploit cheat engine and whatnot? What the F that supposed to mean??
:scream:
But here, in Tera forum? What do u mean that u can bypass xigncode and still use exploit cheat engine and whatnot? What the F that supposed to mean??
I would think what they are trying to say is xigncode isn't doing crap to stop cheating and 3rd party software in the game. they are also saying that they have to use 3rd party software to bypass xigncode and xigncode isn't picking that up either.
TERA PC - General Discussion#290 voidy06/13/2018, 03:38 AM
I just logged in today. No bots in velika.

Which server is this? Here on CH, the amount of bots DOUBLED, as if they're doing it just to spite the recent measures.
TERA PC - General Discussion#291 Yamazuki06/13/2018, 06:29 AM
MistyTera wrote: »
RandomElin wrote: »
I finally registered with TERA EU. I think I'll wait to see what happens with the maintenance tomorrow to decide if I will migrate to TERA EU, though.

I think EU TERA Gameforge knows what's up! And they reported XIGNCODE as potentially harmful/malware, since XIGNCODE'S kernel mode driver's installation isn't communicated properly, and it's clearly going out of scope for an anti-cheating tool.

GF_Employee_on_Xigncode.PNG

The data law and other problems with XIGNCODE, hmmm, they know what's UP! That makes sense! Since Gameforge knows, why doesn't Enmasse realize the problems with XIGNCODE?

Gameforge has used Xigncode3, just not for Tera [yet]. Person you're quoting I believe is just a forum moderator, and not someone with any real authority. It's also not illegal in regards to European laws, because again, Gameforge uses it as well as other European publishers.

Even though I know it's a hobby of yours, you should still avoid spreading false information.
I give it a few more days until this gets passed by and ppl will move on to another issue to complain about.
TERA PC - General Discussion#293 Xerses06/13/2018, 02:20 PM
been almost a week now without any responses from eme so I guess that is their way of saying it is our way or no way, get over it.

On a better note, can not wait to play Anthem, Spider-man, Red Dead 2, and a list full of other good games coming out soon. Kingdom Hearts 3 hype, TLOU 2, Days Gone, Skull and Bones(shits on Sea of Thieves), Ghost of Tsushima, Tomb Raider, Assassins Creed(which does not look interesting at all but will play just for the name) Gears 5, Halo Infinite. There are so many great games coming and best of all none of them are tied to EME or BHS
DL7MMWLJ3W wrote: »
I give it a few more days until this gets passed by and ppl will move on to another issue to complain about.

Seems to me like that is exactly what EME (or maybe BHS) is hoping for.

As I mentioned in an earlier comment, it seems like the employees may have been told not to discuss Xigncode3 at all. They talked about it for a few days, then suddenly went dead silent. Even the ones who seemed willing to discuss have just completely ignored any mention of Xigncode3.

For example, KitTeaCup said, when closing the previous discussion thread, “…if you want to have a productive conversation about the situation at hand, I and my teammates are happy to talk…”

Here we are, several days later, and there have been posts from EME employees involving pretty much every player concern except this one.

Which begs the question, @KitTeaCup, you said you and your teammates would be happy to talk, so where are you?

As far as I'm concerned, it is rather difficult to have a productive conversation with a wall.
TERA PC - General Discussion#295 TomRipley06/13/2018, 04:34 PM
DL7MMWLJ3W wrote: »
I give it a few more days until this gets passed by and ppl will move on to another issue to complain about.

Seems to me like that is exactly what EME (or maybe BHS) is hoping for.

Yeah, that's very likely what's going to happen. I mean, after all, all the staff has to do is nothing, which is a fairly easy task.

So we have a program we can't be sure how it'll impact our system or running of the game, unless we try it ourselves. Apparently the latest patch was about fixing some xigncode issues, but due to lack of communication, we don't know which ones. I've even joined their discord to check if there's any further info, since Sean mentioned he's more active over there, but nada.

So personally, all I can go by is experiences described by other users. And according to that, my potato most likely won't get along with xigncode at all. I'm not even sure how to properly remove it should I try out by myself if Tera still runs for me. Again, would have to rely on what other users write, and that's contradictory info at best.

So all in all, it's better be safe than sorry for me.

I'm really very disappointed in the total radio silence from staff.
There's no info on fixes, no info on issues. At the very least, Linux and Mac users should have gotten a heads up whether or not they can hope to ever be able to play the game again.
Ever read the poem "First They Came" by Martin Niemöller?

That is not something i should EVER be reminded about when discussing a game.
In the least, xigncode is very bad PR for TERA NA. I think I saw discussion on reddit that TERA NA basically had half their player base go up in smoke over this. Even if not true, it is not good for TERA NA that that is the impression some people have. I believe I even saw one reddit comment referring to TERA NA's status as being on life support.
TERA PC - General Discussion#298 Kinoshi06/13/2018, 05:10 PM
DL7MMWLJ3W wrote: »
I give it a few more days until this gets passed by and ppl will move on to another issue to complain about.

Or a lot of players have taken it upon themselves to "fix" the issue.
Kinoshi wrote: »
DL7MMWLJ3W wrote: »
I give it a few more days until this gets passed by and ppl will move on to another issue to complain about.

Or a lot of players have taken it upon themselves to "fix" the issue.

More people "cheating", less people playing. Really seems like one of those "what could possibly go wrong" scenarios doesn't it.
Xerses wrote: »
been almost a week now without any responses from eme so I guess that is their way of saying it is our way or no way, get over it.

On a better note, can not wait to play Anthem, Spider-man, Red Dead 2, and a list full of other good games coming out soon. Kingdom Hearts 3 hype, TLOU 2, Days Gone, Skull and Bones(shits on Sea of Thieves), Ghost of Tsushima, Tomb Raider, Assassins Creed(which does not look interesting at all but will play just for the name) Gears 5, Halo Infinite. There are so many great games coming and best of all none of them are tied to EME or BHS

Could be their way of saying "our way or no way" without actually saying it. What I mean is, maybe they still want to leave their options in regard to xigncode open. If, in response to the uproar about it that occurred when it became apparent that xigncode was breaking the game experience for many players, they outright said that they would not remove it, they would be boxing themselves in more in regard to xigncode. However, even it they remove it now, I fear the damage has already been done. There is no reason to believe that players who moved to an xigncode-free TERA server or even a different MMO are going to come flocking back if EME removes xigncode.
RandomElin wrote: »

What I mean is, maybe they still want to leave their options in regard to xigncode open. If, in response to the uproar about it that occurred when it became apparent that xigncode was breaking the game experience for many players, they outright said that they would not remove it, they would be boxing themselves in more in regard to xigncode.

Even something like "We are aware of the issues surrounding Xigncode3, and we are investigating our options. We will keep you updated on further plans involving Xigncode3" would go a long way, at least for me.
RandomElin wrote: »

What I mean is, maybe they still want to leave their options in regard to xigncode open. If, in response to the uproar about it that occurred when it became apparent that xigncode was breaking the game experience for many players, they outright said that they would not remove it, they would be boxing themselves in more in regard to xigncode.

Even something like "We are aware of the issues surrounding Xigncode3, and we are investigating our options. We will keep you updated on further plans involving Xigncode3" would go a long way, at least for me.

I agree with you. Something like that may have convinced me to put off uninstalling TERA NA for longer. At this point, I no longer have it installed.
Hi everyone,

XIGNCODE3 was taken on for a number of reasons. One of those being cheaters and malignant hackers. Our version is custom built for us and is a work in progress, and we're trying to improve it.

Please know we're working on an FAQ for those that may have issues with XIGNCODE3. If you're having issues, please write in a ticket or if you want to bypass us, write directly to Wellbia!
TERA PC - General Discussion#304 Naru200806/14/2018, 12:35 AM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Hi everyone,

XIGNCODE3 was taken on for a number of reasons. One of those being cheaters and malignant hackers. Our version is custom built for us and is a work in progress, and we're trying to improve it.

Please know we're working on an FAQ for those that may have issues with XIGNCODE3. If you're having issues, please write in a ticket or if you want to bypass us, write directly to Wellbia!

Hey KTC, not to be a debby downer, but several people have mentioned they have emailed Wellbia since the update, and still haven't heard back. It's also able to be found around the internet that they are notorious for not replying, as some of these users have mentioned previously.
TERA PC - General Discussion#305 Thuking06/14/2018, 12:51 AM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Hi everyone,

XIGNCODE3 was taken on for a number of reasons. One of those being cheaters and malignant hackers. Our version is custom built for us and is a work in progress, and we're trying to improve it.

Please know we're working on an FAQ for those that may have issues with XIGNCODE3. If you're having issues, please write in a ticket or if you want to bypass us, write directly to Wellbia!

nice joke!

just shows how connected you are to the game thank you very much
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Hi everyone,

XIGNCODE3 was taken on for a number of reasons. One of those being cheaters and malignant hackers. Our version is custom built for us and is a work in progress, and we're trying to improve it.

Please know we're working on an FAQ for those that may have issues with XIGNCODE3. If you're having issues, please write in a ticket or if you want to bypass us, write directly to Wellbia!

Sounds like it would have made sense for EME to have beta tested xigncode on a new server before rolling it out to the others. Likely wouldn't have avoided all the problems, though.
TERA PC - General Discussion#307 TomRipley06/14/2018, 03:51 AM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Hi everyone,

XIGNCODE3 was taken on for a number of reasons. One of those being cheaters and malignant hackers. Our version is custom built for us and is a work in progress, and we're trying to improve it.

Please know we're working on an FAQ for those that may have issues with XIGNCODE3. If you're having issues, please write in a ticket or if you want to bypass us, write directly to Wellbia!

Hi KitTeaCup,

what are the reasons?
Obviously, it's not preventing any cheats, since the forums and your official discord offer plenty of advice for bypassing it. Others report that it doesn't stop ini changes, dps meters and so on. So what exactly is it detecting?

Also, in which ways does xigncode impact performance? My PC was barely able to handle Tera so far, any more "stress" would kill it for me.

Also, what exactly is xigncode accessing? What goes into the reports sent?

And why didn't you respond up until now and still don't go into details?
Shouldn't you instead be up front and calm us with your confidence in xigncode instead of extended radio silence?

Other than that I think people before my have mentioned it already: contacting Wellbia only yields bot answers of little help.

And what about Linux and Mac users? They seem to be shut out of Tera completely as of now.

PS I do like how you've snuck in "bypass" in your post. I admit I chuckled. ;)
TERA PC - General Discussion#308 ElinUsagi06/14/2018, 04:12 AM
TomRipley wrote: »
And what about Linux and Mac users? They seem to be shut out of Tera completely as of now.

I also want to know about the stance from EME about Linux and Mac users. By far most of them are the ones who need to bypass Xigncode to be able to run TERA.

I know TERA is not officially supported for those OS but several people don't like Microsoft software performance and its cost.
TERA PC - General Discussion#309 Xerses06/14/2018, 04:15 AM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
XIGNCODE3 bypass

I see what you did there
you can improve it by removing it all together. it's far more trouble than it's worth.you've actually increased the amount of hackers, and decreased the already shaky trust your customers have in you. you messed up. own it and remove it. Pretty much EVERY person that I've spoken too about it that's still playing has just plan bypassed it. No one wants it. It's useless, worthless and we don't trust it or you.
TERA PC - General Discussion#311 vkobe06/14/2018, 04:42 AM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Hi everyone,

XIGNCODE3 was taken on for a number of reasons. One of those being cheaters and malignant hackers. Our version is custom built for us and is a work in progress, and we're trying to improve it.

Please know we're working on an FAQ for those that may have issues with XIGNCODE3. If you're having issues, please write in a ticket or if you want to bypass us, write directly to Wellbia!

il made the game more laggy XD
TERA PC - General Discussion#312 MistyTera06/14/2018, 04:46 AM
I submit a support ticket and they know. I told about the problems with XIGNCODE. I hope it that it's improved and not so intrusive as it is. I'm not dealing with another BSOD! If you haven't read my write ups about XIGNCODE, PLEASE READ AGAIN! I took a lot of time to understand why XIGNCODE conflicts with kernal files. I had bad experiences with it. Since every sys or .xem file aka Wellbia files are linked to kernal files, I have better understanding on XIGNCODE's problems. I hope it improves. Something like a windows update might cause a conflict as I stated with the strings of code, therfore causing BSOD or something else might create an error. It's a bit complicated to explain, but I did explain it, just about. I just don't want some intrusive anti-hack tool causing a BSOD on me! I believe everyone else doesn't want a BSOD too. If it is not improved and still causes BSOD on me, I will take action on Wellbia, if it's linked to a XIGNCODE file.
you can improve it by removing it all together. it's far more trouble than it's worth.you've actually increased the amount of hackers, and decreased the already shaky trust your customers have in you. you messed up. own it and remove it. Pretty much EVERY person that I've spoken too about it that's still playing has just plan bypassed it. No one wants it. It's useless, worthless and we don't trust it or you.

All you've done is make innocent players on OS's other than windows unable to play, you've actually killed one of my SSD's and I had to get a new one to reinstall Tera after I got a BSOD during the Xigncode3 load up on patch day That rendered that drive completely unreadable.. Absolutely ZERO of the hackers have been stopped in anyway shape or form. You've further slowed down the game for many people, including myself. I've lost an average of 5 to 10 fps depending on location. The game crashes more now giving me much more memory errors. You've done nothing but hinder your players ability to play and not solved virtually any of the problems you set out to do.

You failed hard. I've put up with a lot of BS from you guys since launch day 6 years ago because I really enjoyed playing this game. but slowly over time you and BHS keep taking out what was fun about the game. Now it's like you desperately want your player base to leave. I see absolutely no reason to give you any of my money. And I see I'm not the only one upset with you about this. Instead of this stupid back door malware you should actually have GMs in game again like you used to do, respond when people report them for once. but we all know how this is going to go. you'll stay quiet, ride it out and watch more people leave. You'll say and do nothing but cram more [filtered], more loot boxes, more repetitive dungeons, more content removals, more ignoring optimization and more ignoring your customers. Sooner or later, there won't be any left.

What a huge disappointment you've been.

Cases like this illustrate why I believe adding xingcode to a game with an established player base is problematic. Too much potential to cause problems since the player base is not self selected to not have problems with xingcode. The exception may be if the established player base is overwhelmingly asking for xingcode to be added.

@sonic101mk2
Out of curiosity, did you try to re-partition the trashed drive. It could be that the partition table got damaged.
TERA PC - General Discussion#314 MistyTera06/14/2018, 05:18 AM
@Sonic101mk2. The term most manufacturers use for SSD fail is TBW (Terabytes Written), after a certain amount of TB the SSD will start to fail. TERA bytes :# :# that's bad. Skywhale save us! Ok I'm cheesy, but do you have logs of those BSODs?
TERA PC - General Discussion#315 Christin06/14/2018, 05:37 AM
Well, there is your response. Are you all happy now? They are working on a list of FAQ, which will solve everything.

I do love how they wanna pass the buck though. Forward your issues to Wellbia, because we really don't give a damn. Nice touch and so thoughtful.
TERA PC - General Discussion#316 MissKo06/14/2018, 05:38 AM
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I first want to say bravo. You've expressed my thoughts on this whole spiel better than I ever could.

Secondly, I want to chime in and say as another SSD user, it's your reports in the forum of XIGNCODE3 causing drive failure that has me completely terrified to even have the game installed on my system. The slimmest chance of a drive being bricked is a chance too much, and I'm sure there are others that would share my sentiments here. At the end of the day, my computer, which I use for many other important things like work, is not worth losing over a video game.

I've always been against hackers and cheaters, but I feel XIGNCODE3 is too much of a liability. EME, I urge you to please reconsider your options. I really don't want to resort to cheating just to play this game again, and I've been a loyal player for years!
yeah like wellbia is going to respond back to us or listen
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Hi everyone,

XIGNCODE3 was taken on for a number of reasons. One of those being cheaters and malignant hackers. Our version is custom built for us and is a work in progress, and we're trying to improve it.

Please know we're working on an FAQ for those that may have issues with XIGNCODE3. If you're having issues, please write in a ticket or if you want to bypass us, write directly to Wellbia!

first why deploy a work in progress thing forward to consumers? it doesn't work that way and allows for exploits or serious things such as hacking and computer issues(as such some have reported their SSD died)

second,its a rootkit,it shouldn't hide itself or install itself into drives nor scan everything in the computer

third,there is not a single positive point towards it,why trust them

nothing against you kit,i know you're not at fault here I'm mostly angry and confused about why they choose this route instead of something far more secure
Custom version? Wtf is that? Can we have an explanation? You're owning OUR computers with you weird buggy soft and you don't say what it does!!
TERA PC - General Discussion#320 buffons06/14/2018, 07:19 AM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Hi everyone,

XIGNCODE3 was taken on for a number of reasons. One of those being cheaters and malignant hackers. Our version is custom built for us and is a work in progress, and we're trying to improve it.

Please know we're working on an FAQ for those that may have issues with XIGNCODE3. If you're having issues, please write in a ticket or if you want to bypass us, write directly to Wellbia!

Lots of people ARE bypassing you, just not in the way you intended. After hundreds of posts and days of players voicing their concerns all you'll be doing is writing some FAQ that will somehow magically solve all the problems YOU created in the first place? What a joke.
Custom version? Wtf is that? Can we have an explanation? You're owning OUR computers with you weird buggy soft and you don't say what it does!!

It just means there's a custom list of programs it blocks... unfortunately, xigncode's capabilities do not extend to the cheats currently used on tera.
This is our assumptions. Thanks for explanation and I really want details from EME.
Their game, their rules. Xigncode or not, it's my own fault that I can't/don't want to play the game. Solution? Find something else to do. Though TERA withdrawal has not been the easiest to get through.
you can improve it by removing it all together. it's far more trouble than it's worth.you've actually increased the amount of hackers, and decreased the already shaky trust your customers have in you. you messed up. own it and remove it. Pretty much EVERY person that I've spoken too about it that's still playing has just outright bypassed it. No one wants it. It's useless, worthless and we don't trust it or you.

All you've done is make innocent players on OS's other than windows unable to play, you've actually killed one of my SSD's and I had to get a new one to reinstall Tera after I got a BSOD during the Xigncode3 load up on patch day That rendered that drive completely unreadable.. Absolutely ZERO of the hackers have been stopped in anyway shape or form. You've further slowed down the game for many people, including myself. I've lost an average of 5 to 10 fps depending on location. The game crashes more now giving me much more memory errors. You've done nothing but hinder your players ability to play and not solved virtually any of the problems you set out to do.

You failed hard. I've put up with a lot of BS from you guys since launch day 6 years ago because I really enjoyed playing this game. but slowly over time you and BHS keep taking out what was fun about the game. Now it's like you desperately want your player base to leave. I see absolutely no reason to give you any of my money. And I see I'm not the only one upset with you about this. Instead of this stupid back door malware you should actually have GMs in game again like you used to do, respond when people report them for once. but we all know how this is going to go. you'll stay quiet, ride it out and watch more people leave. You'll say and do nothing but cram more [filtered], more loot boxes, more repetitive dungeons, more content removals, more ignoring optimization and more ignoring your customers down our throats. Sooner or later, there won't be any left.

You should be focused on making this game playable, and WORTH playing. You should be optimizing it. You should be fixing YEARS old glitches, you should be offering good deals for your players based upon what they actually WANT to by, rather than RNG walling every tiny thing. Not forcing malware on us and pretending we're the problem. 6 years ago you promised not to be this cash grabby, untrustable, korean grindfest, sludgefest. And at first you were telling the truth, but over time you devolved in to something worse than EA entertainment.

What a huge disappointment you've been.

+10000

@KitTeaCup

Could you please forward this to the higher ups? This is exactly how the majority of long time players feel.

Also, sorry that you came on to Tera at this time. They probably didn't prepare you for this.
TERA PC - General Discussion#325 Peorth06/14/2018, 02:02 PM
what he said.
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Hi everyone,

XIGNCODE3 was taken on for a number of reasons. One of those being cheaters and malignant hackers. Our version is custom built for us and is a work in progress, and we're trying to improve it.

Please know we're working on an FAQ for those that may have issues with XIGNCODE3. If you're having issues, please write in a ticket or if you want to bypass us, write directly to Wellbia!

I am hesitant to write a ticket to EME until the FAQ comes out, just in case all my questions are answered. So, a few quick responses while I wait for the FAQ to come out:

1: If XIGNCODE3 were to tell you exactly what information it collected, it would be even easier to circumvent. If it cold be denied admin access, same thing. In order to report detected activities, it must send information out. Therefore, by its nature, it is a program that has free reign to do "something" with our information, and all we can do is hope that "something" is not harmful. As far as I can tell, no amount of work on the program will change that.

2: Even assuming that XIGNCODE3/Wellbia has no intention of abusing the innate access of the program, installing XIGNCODE3 is essentially installing a wooden back door to a steel vault of information. Even if I trusted Wellbia not to abuse that door (which I honestly don't), it's still a security risk.

3: I work on a university-issued machine, and actually cannot install XIGNCODE3 on my machine, as the university-mandated anti-malware blocks it. Even if it could be installed, giving a largely unknown program admin access to this machine is questionable at best.

4: I have no evidence that Wellbia is a trustworthy company. Everything I have seen about Wellbia has described it as "shady", "worse than useless", "incompetent", or "unprofessional and uninformative." I would address my concerns to Wellbia, but after reading their translated ToS, it is made very clear that nobody at Wellbia speaks fluent english.

As a closer (see what i did there?) I will add that I am very happy to hear from EME on this topic, even if I think the response is long overdue. While I don't necessarily expect a direct response to these issues, hopefully whoever is working on the FAQ will see and address a few of them.

I feel bad for KTC...joins the company, looks forward to meeting and interacting with the community...and then this garbage happens. Yeesh.
TERA PC - General Discussion#327 RKC06/14/2018, 02:43 PM
Ummmm... Those gold seller bots are still around. Now we installed something useless in the process.
MistyTera wrote: »
@sonic101mk2
Out of curiosity, did you try to re-partition the trashed drive. It could be that the partition table got damaged.

I did take a look through a usb bootable of partition magic and tried to reformat it but it wouldn't detect by windows once i logged in with a new SSD. The old SSD that got trashed was only 4 months old. I'd post system logs but the trashed drive was the one that held both the game and windows, fresh install. Reluctant to try loading the game again.

Before my old SSd got trashed the only thing that'd change was installing the patch, it took nearly 14 minutes for the game to boot up to the point of the Xigncode graphic showing in the bottom right of the screen, xigncode made it half way throughit's on load bar and I got a BSOD that complained of a memory error of some kind and auto reset seconds later. I was greeted with a "no boot drive detected" message. The windows usb stick wouldn't even detect it when i tried to reformat. Not a happy person.


Here's the latest update that's going to be added to the upcoming FAQ.

Players that play on college networks may be facing issues due to the firewalls. More details to come, but it's been notified to Wellbia.

Wellbia is aware of this issue and is working on a solution (ETA TBD) but this is an example of players collaborating with us and Wellbia to improve the experience. Yay teamwork!

I'll make sure to keep letting everyone know what's coming up, and how this type of feedback is the answer! :)
TERA PC - General Discussion#330 Zoknahal06/14/2018, 05:02 PM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Here's the latest update that's going to be added to the upcoming FAQ.

Players that play on college networks may be facing issues due to the firewalls. More details to come, but it's been notified to Wellbia.

Wellbia is aware of this issue and is working on a solution (ETA TBD) but this is an example of players collaborating with us and Wellbia to improve the experience. Yay teamwork!

I'll make sure to keep letting everyone know what's coming up, and how this type of feedback is the answer! :)

While is good that there is work being done, the main issue persist: XIGNCODE is more malicious to the users than to hackers and cheaters. Would be nice if we knew with transparency if our PCs are safe, and i mean, personal information and such.
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Here's the latest update that's going to be added to the upcoming FAQ.

Players that play on college networks may be facing issues due to the firewalls. More details to come, but it's been notified to Wellbia.

Wellbia is aware of this issue and is working on a solution (ETA TBD) but this is an example of players collaborating with us and Wellbia to improve the experience. Yay teamwork!

I'll make sure to keep letting everyone know what's coming up, and how this type of feedback is the answer! :)

It's a good thing that you're attempting to eventually allow more legitimate players to play tera, however.. you've done nothing to address the fact that xigncode is simply not capable of detecting the cheats currently being used on tera. No matter what configuration it uses, the program is not designed for that purpose. It's not something collaboration with wellbia can fix, because their program isn't capable of it, even if it wasn't bypassed before it was released..
Basically your post just confirms the fears many people have voiced that xigncode is only capable of stopping legitimate players from playing tera, and does not stop any cheaters. in any game it's ever been in. at all.

I for one would appreciate an explanation of why you added a tool that has no purpose other than stopping legitimate players from logging in and worsens performance for those who can still log in.
they should plug it out while its still in alpha stage cus this ain't final product

even tho i don't support it in any possible way i gotta contribute somehow(cus at this point i don't think i can make them change their minds)

TERA PC - General Discussion#333 Christin06/14/2018, 05:27 PM
MissKo wrote: »
[ Cropped for length ]
I first want to say bravo. You've expressed my thoughts on this whole spiel better than I ever could.

Secondly, I want to chime in and say as another SSD user, it's your reports in the forum of XIGNCODE3 causing drive failure that has me completely terrified to even have the game installed on my system. The slimmest chance of a drive being bricked is a chance too much, and I'm sure there are others that would share my sentiments here. At the end of the day, my computer, which I use for many other important things like work, is not worth losing over a video game.

I've always been against hackers and cheaters, but I feel XIGNCODE3 is too much of a liability. EME, I urge you to please reconsider your options. I really don't want to resort to cheating just to play this game again, and I've been a loyal player for years!

I agree that the game just isn't worth risking a computer system for. Unfortunately, their only solution is to tell you to deal with it, and if you do have any issues, they might be able to help you. ETA TBD
TERA PC - General Discussion#334 Xerses06/14/2018, 05:28 PM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Here's the latest update that's going to be added to the upcoming FAQ.

Players that play on college networks may be facing issues due to the firewalls. More details to come, but it's been notified to Wellbia.

Wellbia is aware of this issue and is working on a solution (ETA TBD) but this is an example of players collaborating with us and Wellbia to improve the experience. Yay teamwork!

I'll make sure to keep letting everyone know what's coming up, and how this type of feedback is the answer! :)

But like...players who are studying are not your whales, they do not spend that much on the game, they are not the people who typically spend 4++ hours a day playing. They have lives while people like me do not
I got one BSOD when i play TERA, and another one crash when pluging external HDD, in my new computer, fresh 3 month windows 10 (64 bit),
in around June 11th..
i still monitoring my windows system... :/
Still figuring out what cause the problem, if these get worse, and another impact after the date XIGNCODE was implemented, maybe i will stop to play TERA forever.. :/
TERA PC - General Discussion#336 MistyTera06/14/2018, 07:25 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
@Sonic101mk2. Was it Tera bytes? TERA bytes :# :# that's bad. Skywhale save us! Ok I'm cheesy, but do you have logs of those BSODs? If so please submit them, so that it can be solved by Wellbia, I hope.

What I meant was as a ticket to support like EME.
TERA PC - General Discussion#337 Doctorate06/14/2018, 07:40 PM
I don't know if XIGNCODE is the problem, but my game can no longer surpass 30 FPS anywhere. I complained about the lack of performance in the past, but this is ridiculous. I didn't think it was possible for this game to run even worse than it did.

Please EME, consider removing this anti-cheat from the game. My hardware is more than capable to run this game at max settings but I'm sitting at minimum settings, 12 FPS constantly.
TERA PC - General Discussion#338 MistyTera06/15/2018, 12:52 AM
Some mentioned User32.dll being blocked for some reason. Clearly I don't know what I'll find, because I found it! So it has happened to more people! It seems XIGNCODE can conflict with Windows 10 on some computers. When simply a windows update happens, things start to happen. JUST GET RID OF THIS MESS! Xigncode3 is having an error with Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14342 that is causing it to read a required system file (user32.dll) as an non allowed third party program and not allowing people to play.

forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/86500-xigncode3-needs-to-go-away/

GET RID OF THIS INTRUSIVE PROGRAM PLEASE!

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BY THE WAY I HAVE THE IP-ADDRESSES!

14.63.199.149

14.63.225.61

TERA PC - General Discussion#339 ElinUsagi06/15/2018, 01:26 AM
Win10 can confilct with Win10 anyway.

I had to block a lot of services and process from Win10 so my laptop could works smooth even using a SSD didn't fix that.
TERA PC - General Discussion#340 MistyTera06/15/2018, 01:46 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Win10 can confilct with Win10 anyway.

I had to block a lot of services and process from Win10 so my laptop could works smooth even using a SSD didn't fix that.

REALLY! OK I had enough of this so called anti-hack software! Wellbia needs to be sued big time! It's not EME/BHS fault!
TERA PC - General Discussion#341 Rathgar06/15/2018, 03:32 AM
ElinUsagi here to defend all the dumb decisions Tera makes, still. Seriously, stop it. They literally just killed this game. The fact that this intrusive piece of crap program must be loaded to play this game still AND DOESN'T IN ANYWAY STOP CHEATING OR BOTTING is just mind boggling to me. Do you receive a salary or something from EME or Bluehole?
TERA PC - General Discussion#342 Zaporia06/15/2018, 04:02 AM
Rathgar wrote: »
ElinUsagi here to defend all the dumb decisions Tera makes, still. Seriously, stop it. They literally just killed this game. The fact that this intrusive piece of crap program must be loaded to play this game still AND DOESN'T IN ANYWAY STOP CHEATING OR BOTTING is just mind boggling to me. Do you receive a salary or something from EME or Bluehole?

Nah I think he is more likely a employee of Wellbia.
TERA PC - General Discussion#343 ElinUsagi06/15/2018, 04:09 AM
Rathgar wrote: »
ElinUsagi here to defend all the dumb decisions Tera makes, still. Seriously, stop it. They literally just killed this game. The fact that this intrusive piece of crap program must be loaded to play this game still AND DOESN'T IN ANYWAY STOP CHEATING OR BOTTING is just mind boggling to me. Do you receive a salary or something from EME or Bluehole?

It seems like you have no brain at all.

If you think I am defending them then you clearly havent read anything I have posted at all and just doing random bs post.
TERA PC - General Discussion#344 kubitoid06/15/2018, 06:59 AM
are they female??
TERA PC - General Discussion#345 Christin06/15/2018, 01:16 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Win10 can confilct with Win10 anyway.

I had to block a lot of services and process from Win10 so my laptop could works smooth even using a SSD didn't fix that.

REALLY! OK I had enough of this so called anti-hack software! It's not EME/BHS fault! By now at least EME should consider removing XIGNCODE3!

1. Messes with kernal file-causing BSODs
2. Can block Windows system files.
3. Corrupt SSD.


I bet one windows update will cause a problem! Seriously just get rid of it! I'm seriously furious and spurn XIGNCODE3! Since people are still having issues with XIGNCODE3, it seems like Wellbia is not fixing their own software over the years! It is malware!

I don't know why you try so hard. Half of the stuff you post is going right over EME's head. Something else is going on, so we just gotta wait and see what it is. Sean is telling himself that everyone against Xingcode is a bunch of cheaters. They're all a bunch of cheaters and just mad, because Xingcode won't let them cheat anymore. I bet he doesn't even believe there is a bypass or if it even works. He's thinking you guys think they bypass is working, but it isn't. I don't know why, but I really have a feeling they think they know what they are doing. Maybe one of the bears put something in the water. You'll never know.
TERA PC - General Discussion#346 MistyTera06/15/2018, 07:47 PM
After researching user32.dll, there are viruses that can attach to that file, which perhaps XIGNCODE was doing it's job. However, XIGNCODE is having an error with Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14342 that is causing it to read a required system file (user32.dll) as an non allowed third party program and not allowing people to play, could make some sense also. Why I'm trying so hard is that XIGNCODE behaves in a way it shouldn't, especially when strings of code don't match, probably after an update of windows. The new version is valid that xcoronahost.xem can conflict with kernalbase.dll.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-files/user32dll-recognized-as-dll-injection-process/5f06db75-faf1-41c7-a56d-10b809242afd

https://google.com/search?q=XIGNCODE+is+having+an+error+with+Windows+10+Insider+Preview+Build+14342&oq=XIGNCODE+is+having+an+error+with+Windows+10+Insider+Preview+Build+14342&aqs=chrome..69i57.854j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

What should I do when a blue screen error occurs?
Blue screen errors may occur from various factors. To determine if the blue screen has occurred due to XIGNCODE related activity, a memory dump file is required for further investigation. The dump file is typically saved under the system root path as Memory.dmp (C:\WINDOWS\Memory.dmp). If you send us an attachment of your Memory.dmp file to support@wellbia.com, we will share feedback after detailed analysis. When sending us your inquiry, please include as much information as you can regarding the error which could help us a lot. Yet, XIGNCODE doesn't respond after people send in their .dmp file.

https://wellbia.com/faq/index_en.html

Well ok Wellbia, so you know your intrusive anti-hack tool software causes BSODs, but don't do anything about it! Let me get this straight, why doesn't an anti-virus software not cause BSODs? Hmm? Likely story that it's bad reverse engineering!

Plus why is XIGNCODE reading the cryptography? WELLBIA IS IN THERE! JUST LOOK AROUND. SOME ARE MISTAKES THAT I THINK IS THE PERSON'S INTERNET PROVIDER LOL. STILL LOOK THROUGH IT!

https://reverse.it/sample/f3175547b21cea94052ff1c768429c5977e0d3a381869e669eb2e5c675dc0ae1?environmentId=3

The task VirtualAlloc caught my eye! Though I'm not sure if I'm right here? Though something tempering with allocation of files is something that I have a problem with!

https://bugslasher.net/2011/01/15/memory-exhaustion-even-if-a-large-enough-free-memory-segment-is-available/

Correct me if I'm wrong? I have no idea! Just thoughts.

OutputDebugStringW
GetModuleHandleW
LockResource
FindResourceW
GetTickCount
CreateFileA
LoadLibraryA
GetModuleFileNameW
GetStartupInfoA
GetCommandLineW
GetStartupInfoW
VirtualAlloc<-THAT ONE

To get this straight, but please correct me if I'm wrong here?! Just memory adds up to kernel. VirtualAlloc is a specialized allocation of the OS virtual memory (VM) system. Allocations in the VM system must be made at an allocation granularity which (the allocation granularity) is architecture dependent. Allocation in the VM system is one of the most basic forms of memory allocation. Well, Wellbia, you got caught by the internet! Didn't I create forum about how easy it is to get caught? I ask why is Wellbia messing with allocation of files? That explains everything! I THANK BING, because BING is Mircosoft for that search! :3 So I didn't use Google to search.

Sleep
GetProcAddress<-umm?
WriteFile<-Write a file?
GetModuleFileNameA
TerminateProcess
UnhandledExceptionFilter
IsDebuggerPresent
ShellExecuteW

Behaving exactly like a trojan virus or backdoor! Here is an example! XIGNCODE is malware, not reverse engineering!

https://symantec.com/security-center/writeup-print/2003-031213-3328-99

EME/BHS GIVE US SOMETHING ELSE! XIGNCODE is intrusive and shouldn't be used! I've been looking at better alternatives than XIGNCODE. More like code that blocks cheats that increases abilities in the game and it doesn't look for anything else.

It looks at processes, not YOUR WHOLE COMPUTER!



TERA PC - General Discussion#347 Doctorate06/15/2018, 08:01 PM
@MistyTera I'm not going to quote you, since your post is so long.

First and foremost: Insider preview builds of Windows can have any number of problems, and I'm not sure why you're using it as a daily driver. You'd be much better off with the current stable release of Windows 10 in general, but especially when running a game as old as Tera. All it takes is a couple small adjustments in a beta version of Windows to break legacy compatibility, or set off an alarm in XIGNCODE3. It's unlikely that this issue will be resolved until that build becomes official.

P.S: I have no idea where you're going with the bottom half of your post. It's all over the place. Please consider revising it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#348 Bindor06/15/2018, 08:07 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
After researching user32.dll, there are viruses that can attach to that file, which perhaps XIGNCODE was doing it's job. However, XIGNCODE is having an error with Windows 10 I......................................n the game and it doesn't look for anything else.

It looks at processes, not YOUR WHOLE COMPUTER!

Instead of making people's eyes bleed again from reading this nonsense i trimmed it down. Misty, It's obvious from your rant that you have no idea what you are taking about. Kudos to you for researching, but before you rant try to understand your subject matter a bit better.

At this point enough has been said about how bad and useless the program is, how it impacts frame rates, has killed the non-windows gamers, impacted some computers (including causing the game to crash constantly), and how it could potentially be collecting data that it shouldn't. The log file itself in the xing directory is encrypted so you can't tell what xing is doing or collecting.

We'll just have to wait and see what EME does at this point, but i agree with most in that i think they (EME) are staying quiet hoping this will all die down and go away.

TERA PC - General Discussion#349 Doctorate06/15/2018, 08:19 PM
Bindor wrote: »
We'll just have to wait and see what EME does at this point, but i agree with most in that i think they (EME) are staying quiet hoping this will all die down and go away.

I agree completely.

EME is probably hoping these complaints will die down just like our FPS: 5 or 6 at any given time, but nothing anyone does will increase the number!
TERA PC - General Discussion#350 MistyTera06/15/2018, 08:21 PM
Doctorate wrote: »
@MistyTera I'm not going to quote you, since your post is so long.

First and foremost: Insider preview builds of Windows can have any number of problems, and I'm not sure why you're using it as a daily driver. You'd be much better off with the current stable release of Windows 10 in general, but especially when running a game as old as Tera. All it takes is a couple small adjustments in a beta version of Windows to break legacy compatibility, or set off an alarm in XIGNCODE3. It's unlikely that this issue will be resolved until that build becomes official.

P.S: I have no idea where you're going with the bottom half of your post. It's all over the place. Please consider revising it.

Please don't make me do the extra work. I'm evaluating my thoughts by observation. The tasks are from https://reverse.it/sample/f3175547b21cea94052ff1c768429c5977e0d3a381869e669eb2e5c675dc0ae1?environmentId=3
TERA PC - General Discussion#351 Bindor06/15/2018, 08:23 PM
Christin wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Win10 can confilct with Win10 anyway.

I had to block a lot of services and process from Win10 so my laptop could works smooth even using a SSD didn't fix that.

REALLY! OK I had enough of this so called anti-hack software! It's not EME/BHS fault! By now at least EME should consider removing XIGNCODE3!

1. Messes with kernal file-causing BSODs
2. Can block Windows system files.
3. Corrupt SSD.


I bet one windows update will cause a problem! Seriously just get rid of it! I'm seriously furious and spurn XIGNCODE3! Since people are still having issues with XIGNCODE3, it seems like Wellbia is not fixing their own software over the years! It is malware!

I don't know why you try so hard. Half of the stuff you post is going right over EME's head. Something else is going on, so we just gotta wait and see what it is. Sean is telling himself that everyone against Xingcode is a bunch of cheaters. They're all a bunch of cheaters and just mad, because Xingcode won't let them cheat anymore. I bet he doesn't even believe there is a bypass or if it even works. He's thinking you guys think they bypass is working, but it isn't. I don't know why, but I really have a feeling they think they know what they are doing. Maybe one of the bears put something in the water. You'll never know.

I'm right there with you. I think they believe they know what they are doing and have a plan (good or bad), and probably didn't think they would have this kind of backlash for using Xingcode.

TERA PC - General Discussion#352 MistyTera06/15/2018, 08:46 PM
Bindor wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
After researching user32.dll, there are viruses that can attach to that file, which perhaps XIGNCODE was doing it's job. However, XIGNCODE is having an error with Windows 10 I......................................n the game and it doesn't look for anything else.

It looks at processes, not YOUR WHOLE COMPUTER!

Instead of making people's eyes bleed again from reading this nonsense i trimmed it down. Misty, It's obvious from your rant that you have no idea what you are taking about. Kudos to you for researching, but before you rant try to understand your subject matter a bit better.

At this point enough has been said about how bad and useless the program is, how it impacts frame rates, has killed the non-windows gamers, impacted some computers (including causing the game to crash constantly), and how it could potentially be collecting data that it shouldn't. The log file itself in the xing directory is encrypted so you can't tell what xing is doing or collecting.

We'll just have to wait and see what EME does at this point, but i agree with most in that i think they (EME) are staying quiet hoping this will all die down and go away.

Honestly, I really don't know what's going on? I'm just observing what I find by sources by what people have discovered and my own thoughts or assumptions. Still.....

Anything causing BSODs shouldn't be called ANTI-HACK SOFTWARE! It behaves exactly like malware due to bad reverse engineering! Since EME/BHS don't realize that this intrusive piece of anti-hack software creates BSODs?! (SORRY FOR THIS EME/BHS) I'm assuming that EME/BHS are that incompetent for even realizing it! Yet, EME/BHS have the ability to pass forward the issues better than pointless automated responses that we have from Wellbia. SO EITHER FIX XIGNCODE3 OR GET RID OF IT! END OF FORUM! I HAD ENOUGH! Mostly everyone is concurring with me! It's all over the internet that XIGNCODE is causing BSODs! XIGNCODE SHOULDN'T BE CALLED ANTI-HACK SOFTWARE! PERIOD!

By the way no other anti-hack tool is causing BSODs on the internet! Wellbia is the only one mostly mentioned! So there you go by detective work!
TERA PC - General Discussion#353 MissKo06/15/2018, 08:50 PM
So, back on a more positive topic, KitTeaCup has acknowledged the issues college/university connections and that they contacted Welbia for a fix. That's good! I like that transparency and am glad something is being done for those people. But, what about all the other issues that have been brought up? The FPS losses? The longer boot times? The BSODs and bricked computer drives? Are those going to be looked into at any point, or is EME just picking and choosing what's convenient for them?

Especially the person reporting the SSD failure. Good lord, you guys should really be held accountable for that nonsense. That's a very serious and costly issue.
TERA PC - General Discussion#354 kubitoid06/15/2018, 08:52 PM
this mistytera dude is surely a paladin class. such devotion <3 <3 :s
TERA PC - General Discussion#355 MistyTera06/15/2018, 08:55 PM
MissKo wrote: »
So, back on a more positive topic, KitTeaCup has acknowledged the issues college/university connections and that they contacted Welbia for a fix. That's good! I like that transparency and am glad something is being done for those people. But, what about all the other issues that have been brought up? The FPS losses? The longer boot times? The BSODs and bricked computer drives? Are those going to be looked into at any point, or is EME just picking and choosing what's convenient for them?

Especially the person reporting the SSD failure. Good lord, you guys should really be held accountable for that nonsense. That's a very serious and costly issue.

I don't mind using XIGNCODE if it doesn't be so intrusive on FPS or game-performance and cause BSODs. I'm not going through this experience again like I did in the past! Yet, I'm surprised that people have been mentioning their problems for years on other games and it still those issues hasn't been fixed!
TERA PC - General Discussion#356 TomRipley06/15/2018, 09:06 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
Yet, I'm surprised that people have been mentioning their problems for years on other games and it still those issues hasn't been fixed!

So basically, Wellbia won't (be able or willing to) fix this? Then our only hope I guess is BHS/EME removing xigncode completely. I mean, it's not like there aren't other anti cheat programs out there. But since it's already being used in other titles... RIP. :(
TERA PC - General Discussion#357 MistyTera06/15/2018, 09:21 PM
TomRipley wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Yet, I'm surprised that people have been mentioning their problems for years on other games and it still those issues hasn't been fixed!

So basically, Wellbia won't (be able or willing to) fix this? Then our only hope I guess is BHS/EME removing xigncode completely. I mean, it's not like there aren't other anti cheat programs out there. But since it's already being used in other titles... RIP. :(

There are other anti-hack tools out there. Some issues rarely pop up on those anti-hack tools; just small errors. However, none of the other anti-hack tools are causing BSODs! I can't find any other anti-hack tool that causes BSODs, except n-protect, nguard, or gameguard, which is rare.
TERA PC - General Discussion#358 TomRipley06/15/2018, 09:36 PM
Yeah, that's what I said, there are other anti cheat programs out there.
And I was referring to EME already using it in their other titles. So it's probably here to stay, no matter what problems players will experience.

Personally, I'd download Tera again if it's being taken out, not any sooner. So, as I said, most likely ... RIP.
TERA PC - General Discussion#359 MistyTera06/15/2018, 09:53 PM
TomRipley wrote: »
Yeah, that's what I said, there are other anti cheat programs out there.
And I was referring to EME already using it in their other titles. So it's probably here to stay, no matter what problems players will experience.

Personally, I'd download Tera again if it's being taken out, not any sooner. So, as I said, most likely ... RIP.

Well, Tom Ripley Believe Or Not, *sorry my quick wit humor*. Don't take it personally....Believe or not, I believe XIGNCODE is going to stay. Yet, I hope things improve with XIGNCODE, especially of it causing BSODs.

Oh here's a thought, why not just have the anti-hack program block cheats by server function, rather than our having it on our computers? Is that even possible? Because we all are connected to server.
MistyTera wrote: »
Oh here's a thought, why not just have the anti-hack program block cheats by server function, rather than having it on our computers? Is that even possible? Because we all are connected to server.

Obviously they should do this as the primary anti-cheat mechanism, and there is a lot of improvement that needs to be made in this area. (I won't say they've done nothing in this area, but it's clearly not enough.) However, catching everything on the server-side is difficult and could cause a lot of server-side overhead. Ideally you'd want to address the most egregious issues server-side, but still have some means to prevent client-side manipulation as well.
Enmasse you re going to do SOMETHING about the fking FPS drops or not?
Please, say a fkin word about it, i dont want to lose more time if not.
They wouldn't want to admit any fault with XIGNCODE because of PUBG and other games that use it.

I had never even heard of PUBG until the XIGNCODE discussion resulted in PUBG being repeatedly referenced in the forums.
The Steam page shows a huge disapproval rating related to cheaters and I think BHS are trying make it appear that they are combating the issue (successfully) with their anti-cheat system. Apparently PUBG is on 30 million computers and completely dwarfs TERA's player population. XIGNCODE is present for no other reason then because of marketing.

If they removed XIGNCODE from TERA, that is an acknowledgement that XIGNCODE is not worth having in the application, either because it is doing more harm then good or because it simply doesn't work. BHS would not want to risk a backlash against XIGNCODE for the benefit of TERA's player base.

For the life of me, I have no comprehension of why XIGNCODE was added to TERA in the first place.
I am quite certain both BHS and EME are well aware that it is worthless.
Now it's here, it can't be removed because of F'ing marketing.

The really stupid part is, XIGNCODE is a fundamentally flawed concept.
The only realistic way to combat client side cheating is to do it at the hardware level like a video game console and have everything run in a white list only mode.
Enmasse you re going to do SOMETHING about the fking FPS drops or not?
Please, say a fkin word about it, i dont want to lose more time if not.
Unfortunately, for this particular issue, all the other regions got the same bug K-TERA had. It should be fixed in the next patch. Not by any means saying that makes up for all the other issues at all.

The really stupid part is, XIGNCODE is a fundamentally flawed concept.
The only realistic way to combat client side cheating is to do it at the hardware level like a video game console and have everything run in a white list only mode.
The only problem with this argument (although not entirely wrong) is that it's kind of like saying "multiplayer PC gaming is a fundamentally flawed concept." Maybe it's not wrong, but...
The really stupid part is, XIGNCODE is a fundamentally flawed concept.
The only realistic way to combat client side cheating is to do it at the hardware level like a video game console and have everything run in a white list only mode.
The only problem with this argument (although not entirely wrong) is that it's kind of like saying "multiplayer PC gaming is a fundamentally flawed concept." Maybe it's not wrong, but...

not really... I explained this in another post
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/246321#Comment_246321

I would like to add to this that I respect other players and value my own experience of the game enough not to cheat.
This might sound like bragging, but I am pretty sure that I am not abnormal at all. The people who derive satisfaction from beating others in PVP with cheats and breezing through HM content instead of challenging themselves. Those people lack a social conscience & any sort of personal pride and are fortunately abnormal enough not to be a serious concern.

until now...

By making XIGNCODE the enemy they have removed a barrier that would otherwise prevent people from cheating... themselves.
Had a rather interesting exchange with support over this,pointed out that they should have really tested xingcode properly ironed out its kinks etc before forcing it on people......until a certain GM got involved and basically said 'dont like it....leave xingcode will not be removed anytime soon oh and we can also delete all data regards to your account'................
TERA PC - General Discussion#366 TomRipley06/16/2018, 10:53 AM
cRAPPYGame wrote: »
until a certain GM got involved and basically said 'dont like it....leave xingcode will not be removed anytime soon oh and we can also delete all data regards to your account'................

Jeez, if being told they'd rather keep their anti cheat than playerbase, leaving might actually be just about the right choice. :astonished:
yeah leaving is an option lots of good games coming anyway
best part is they care bout the player base and how theyll take the game
TERA PC - General Discussion#369 MissKo06/16/2018, 12:45 PM
cRAPPYGame wrote: »
[snip] until a certain GM got involved and basically said 'dont like it....leave xingcode will not be removed anytime soon oh and we can also delete all data regards to your account'................

Would it be too much to ask for proof of this exchange? Normally, I'd say it's unlikely an EME employee would threaten a player like this, but with how they've been acting as of late... Yikes.
https://gyazo.com/db3d023fc97f5df9d83304045d508e8b

TERA PC - General Discussion#371 ElinUsagi06/16/2018, 03:09 PM
cRAPPYGame wrote: »

A support employee is diferent than a GM stand for.

I thought you will quote Seandynamite, CobaltDragon or KitTeaCup.
TERA PC - General Discussion#372 Xerses06/16/2018, 04:23 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
cRAPPYGame wrote: »

A support employee is diferent than a GM stand for.

I thought you will quote Seandynamite, CobaltDragon or KitTeaCup.

I think we're missing the bigger point here. It doesn't matter if it was a GM or support. They're both representatives of EME. In your day to day business whether you work for yourself or you work for another company you'd never tell a customer to get lost which is essentially what was said in the quoted link. Then they go one step further and offer to delete your data. That sounds a bit rational and I wonder what exactly was said to them in the first place for them to respond that aggressively. Regardless, with that response from EME it's very obvious they want to kill Tera off now.
TERA PC - General Discussion#373 ElinUsagi06/16/2018, 04:32 PM
Xerses wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
cRAPPYGame wrote: »

A support employee is diferent than a GM stand for.

I thought you will quote Seandynamite, CobaltDragon or KitTeaCup.

I think we're missing the bigger point here. It doesn't matter if it was a GM or support. They're both representatives of EME. In your day to day business whether you work for yourself or you work for another company you'd never tell a customer to get lost which is essentially what was said in the quoted link. Then they go one step further and offer to delete your data. That sounds a bit rational and I wonder what exactly was said to them in the first place for them to respond that aggressively. Regardless, with that response from EME it's very obvious they want to kill Tera off now.

You will be surprised how phone support from many bussiness do an awful work (they don't even care the phone call is being recorded and yes I have sent complains and people have been fired). They practically give you that treatment or even worst, not that I am justifying them they surely need to get with better responses but there is only a few things someone can do in those cases so it is up to the customer to chose what to do.
TERA PC - General Discussion#374 MissKo06/16/2018, 07:00 PM
cRAPPYGame wrote: »

Okay, so, it wasn't a threat, but instead an offer to remove the data in case you were concerned about your privacy. Big difference.

But, hey, we have an official stance on XIGNCODE3 from someone on staff now. I just wish one of the GMs would have just come out and publicly said, "Hey, this is the option we're going with and we're going to stick to it! XIGNCODE3 will not be removed." instead of us finding out this way, though. :/

All we can do now is hope that they fix up XIGNCODE well enough that people like me can return feeling content. As I said before in the forums, I'm terrified of having my computer bricked as there's someone else who has had this issue running on an SSD. If they can figure out how to make it play nice for us SSD users, and make it so there's not a crazy strain on us, I'll gladly return to the game. But, here we are, still receiving nothing but silence to our questions and having to find out important information from screenshots posted by players. :s Yikes.

I don't want to say it, but you dropped the ball here, EME.
TERA PC - General Discussion#375 Naru200806/16/2018, 07:18 PM
MissKo wrote: »
cRAPPYGame wrote: »

Okay, so, it wasn't a threat, but instead an offer to remove the data in case you were concerned about your privacy. Big difference.

But, hey, we have an official stance on XIGNCODE3 from someone on staff now. I just wish one of the GMs would have just come out and publicly said, "Hey, this is the option we're going with and we're going to stick to it! XIGNCODE3 will not be removed." instead of us finding out this way, though. :/

All we can do now is hope that they fix up XIGNCODE well enough that people like me can return feeling content. As I said before in the forums, I'm terrified of having my computer bricked as there's someone else who has had this issue running on an SSD. If they can figure out how to make it play nice for us SSD users, and make it so there's not a crazy strain on us, I'll gladly return to the game. But, here we are, still receiving nothing but silence to our questions and having to find out important information from screenshots posted by players. :s Yikes.

I don't want to say it, but you dropped the ball here, EME.

This. To sit there and spin it as a threat is going too far. It was simply an offer of a solution. They weren't telling anyone if they don't like it, then leave. They do still have their standards, of which, the aforementioned spun comment would be violating it.
MissKo wrote: »
All we can do now is hope that they fix up XIGNCODE well enough that people like me can return feeling content. As I said before in the forums, I'm terrified of having my computer bricked as there's someone else who has had this issue running on an SSD. If they can figure out how to make it play nice for us SSD users, and make it so there's not a crazy strain on us, I'll gladly return to the game.

I'm not very sure how anyone can reassure you that an extremely uncommon event is unlikely to happen. I mean, many people could tell you that they've played games with XIGNCODE on their SSDs for years now and never had any problem (whether it's a good/useful program notwithstanding). The same program was also installed on tens of millions of computers with PUBG last year, and there wasn't an epidemic of dying SSDs by any means. Even in the case we have here, if a simple file scan of the SSD was enough to brick the drive, chances are there was already something very wrong anyway, and anything else (like an anti-virus scanner, anti-malware scanner, or even just accessing files) could have broken it in the same way. This program isn't any more "straining" than anything else that would scan recently accessed files on your computer.

Anyway, I'm not trying to say or imply that you should be okay with the software or like it, for reasons discussed ad nauseum in this thread. But if you're literally waiting for a "fix" that reassures you that it won't brick your computer... there's already nothing about it that makes it particularly likely to do so in the first place. I don't expect there'll be any fix or change that makes it less likely to do what it's already very unlikely to do.
TERA PC - General Discussion#377 MistyTera06/16/2018, 08:12 PM
Ok, I'm laughing really hard! GOOGLE KNOWS WELLBIA/XIGNCODE IS MALWARE!

https://image.ibb.co/jXmtny/Even_google_knows_XIGNCODE_is_bad.png
TERA PC - General Discussion#378 Naru200806/16/2018, 08:22 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
Ok, I'm laughing really hard! GOOGLE KNOWS WELLBIA/XIGNCODE IS MALWARE!

https://image.ibb.co/jXmtny/Even_google_knows_XIGNCODE_is_bad.png

Could you not spread misinformation?

Google Chrome will list a website as containing 'Insecure Content' simply because not every single interaction on the website (including calling from within the same website) isn't secured with https://. As such, the content that is causing the issue is a stylesheet calling forward the Open Sans font from the website.

EPaio1PfRPyKGhPSzzotvg.png

Literally has nothing to do with Malware. Stop your insane blabbering.
MistyTera wrote: »
Ok, I'm laughing really hard! GOOGLE KNOWS WELLBIA/XIGNCODE IS MALWARE!

https://image.ibb.co/jXmtny/Even_google_knows_XIGNCODE_is_bad.png

If you looked one step deeper, you'd see the "unauthenticated source" it's trying to load is... a Google Font. It's a rookie mistake, sure, but the same thing was happening on these very forums for many months until they finally fixed it. This has absolutely, literally, nothing to do with malware at all.
TERA PC - General Discussion#380 LegateTR06/16/2018, 08:34 PM
I find it amusing how many people consistently hop on eme's [filtered] and defend even their dumbest choices like it's their job.

Let's all just agree XIGNCODE needs to go.
TERA PC - General Discussion#381 kubitoid06/16/2018, 08:35 PM
Naru2008 wrote: »
They do still have their standards
...
TERA PC - General Discussion#382 MistyTera06/16/2018, 08:39 PM
OK I was joking with that one. Right now I'm looking at android. People have claimed XIGNCODE trashed their android device.
TERA PC - General Discussion#383 Naru200806/16/2018, 08:48 PM
kubitoid wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
They do still have their standards
...

Yes, I know. Such an idea with how more than 3/4 of the community views EME sounds crazy, but they really do have standards. Call it [filtered]-kissing if you want, but it'd be a stretch, since I also have constantly voiced my disagreement with EME's decisions in the past, but I do give an effort to be constructive, unlike half the people who just [filtered] on them rather than be constructive in their feedback.
TERA PC - General Discussion#384 MistyTera06/16/2018, 09:09 PM
WELL_THAT_SUCKS.png

XIGNCODE hates....AND A GM MENTIONED IT!

Avast Anti-Virus, BitDefender, AVG, or Avira
LogiTech Gaming Software - especially those that own macros / auto-click / multi-key settings / auto-hotkey, etc.
MSI Afterburner
SetPoint software - Logitech (mouse)<-WELL NEED TO BUY NEW MOUSE
Daemon Tools (no matter which virtual drive)
NVIDIA Interfaces<-Shadowplay and others
Browser extensions and toolbars (plug-ins) - No matter what. If you want to start the game, you may be forced to disable any extensions and toolbars in any of your browsers. Sometimes Google Hangouts causes the error.
Team Viewer
Most macro, auto-hotkey, and auto-click programs.
EVGA Precision
sandbox
Net Limiter
Rivatuner
Any malware / trojan on your computer (even if you do not know it exists) can be the cause.
Dxtory
Any program that causes a "fade in" (eg Curse / Mumble)<-WELL IF IT BLOCKS OTHER ONES TOO?
DropBox
Google Drive
Some VPN's
Sometimes Skype
Microsoft Security Essentials<-MOST PEOPLE HAVE THAT!
Steelseries Engine 3 (mouse software)
Wacom Tablet Helpers
Possibly others
MistyTera wrote: »
XIGNCODE hates....AND A GM MENTIONED IT!

No, it doesn't. They're just listing off a long list of things that could possibly (but not necessarily) cause conflicts in an attempt to isolate possible causes.

I use at least a third of the items listed on that list and have played BnS, BDO, and TERA that all use XIGNCODE with no problem.

You're just spreading ill-informed paranoia, and it is causing this thread to be taken less seriously than it ought to be by the powers that be. This kind of fear-mongering will not, in any way, increase the chances that EME change their minds.
TERA PC - General Discussion#386 MistyTera06/16/2018, 09:27 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
XIGNCODE hates....AND A GM MENTIONED IT!

No, it doesn't. They're just listing off a long list of things that could possibly (but not necessarily) cause conflicts in an attempt to isolate possible causes.

I use at least a third of the items listed on that list and have played BnS, BDO, and TERA that all use XIGNCODE with no problem.

You're just spreading ill-informed paranoia, and it is causing this thread to be taken less seriously than it ought to be by the powers that be. This kind of fear-mongering will not, in any way, increase the chances that EME change their minds.

Just trying to make a point, but lets face it!

OH HECK, EME/BHS JUST READ ALL THE WAY THROUGH!

I'm surprised that they don't have even a clue?! I'm surprised that they are ignoring, when simply XIGNCODE was proven to cause BSODs.

EVEN A BSODs should be enough to notify that this ANTI-HACK tool is garbage! No offense, but how incompetent minded of throwing the community base into a lake of fire to possibly be burned by XIGNCODE!

MistyTera wrote: »
I'm surprised that they are ignoring, when simply XIGNCODE was proven to cause BSODs.

EVEN A BSODs should be enough to notify that this ANTI-HACK tool is garbage!
Look, any driver can cause a BSOD. I troubleshooted a BSOD on my machine that was caused by an old version of VPN software that installed a network driver that didn't uninstall properly. I troubleshooted a BSOD that was caused by a controller driver, even when the controller wasn't plugged in at all. I troubleshooted BSODs caused by incompatibilities introduced by Microsoft themselves in new Windows updates that required them to release another update to fix the first update they broke. Not to mention BSODs caused routinely by video card drivers, audio drivers, network drivers, and on and on. At least we're no longer living in the Windows ME days when you'd get a BSOD basically all the time because things were just that unstable.

Respectfully, your whole thing about "oh no it causes a BSOD!" is another piece of fear-mongering paranoia that won't be taken seriously, even though XIGNCODE is not fit for purpose.
TERA PC - General Discussion#388 MistyTera06/16/2018, 09:43 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
I'm surprised that they are ignoring, when simply XIGNCODE was proven to cause BSODs.

EVEN A BSODs should be enough to notify that this ANTI-HACK tool is garbage!
Look, any driver can cause a BSOD. I troubleshooted a BSOD on my machine that was caused by an old version of VPN software that installed a network driver that didn't uninstall properly. I troubleshooted a BSOD that was caused by a controller driver, even when the controller wasn't plugged in at all. I troubleshooted BSODs caused by incompatibilities introduced by Microsoft themselves in new Windows updates that required them to release another update to fix the first update they broke. Not to mention BSODs caused routinely by video card drivers, audio drivers, network drivers, and on and on. At least we're no longer living in the Windows ME days when you'd get a BSOD basically all the time because things were just that unstable.

Respectfully, your whole thing about "oh no it causes a BSOD!" is another piece of fear-mongering paranoia that won't be taken seriously, even though XIGNCODE is not fit for purpose.

BUT IT WAS LINKED TO WELLBIA/XIGNCODE FILES IN THE BSOD! OMG! Counterpoint, where is your head?
TERA PC - General Discussion#389 Xerses06/16/2018, 09:48 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
FORGET IT!

B-but Misty! XINGCODE3 is such a good idea. Thanks to XIGNCODE I can finally enjoy tera without all the :b:roxy players or people shoving their dps meters down my throat.

I'm kidding. Just take a break bro, relax, try to find something else to play. I admire your dedication towards bringing some issues to light and respect and share your love for Tera but they're not going to roll back on this. Even if it would be one the best things they've ever done, EME has an ego to protect.
MistyTera wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
I'm surprised that they are ignoring, when simply XIGNCODE was proven to cause BSODs.

EVEN A BSODs should be enough to notify that this ANTI-HACK tool is garbage!
Look, any driver can cause a BSOD. I troubleshooted a BSOD on my machine that was caused by an old version of VPN software that installed a network driver that didn't uninstall properly. I troubleshooted a BSOD that was caused by a controller driver, even when the controller wasn't plugged in at all. I troubleshooted BSODs caused by incompatibilities introduced by Microsoft themselves in new Windows updates that required them to release another update to fix the first update they broke. Not to mention BSODs caused routinely by video card drivers, audio drivers, network drivers, and on and on. At least we're no longer living in the Windows ME days when you'd get a BSOD basically all the time because things were just that unstable.

Respectfully, your whole thing about "oh no it causes a BSOD!" is another piece of fear-mongering paranoia that won't be taken seriously, even though XIGNCODE is not fit for purpose.

BUT IT WAS LINKED TO WELLBIA/XIGNCODE FILES IN THE BSOD! OMG! Counterpoint, where is your head?

No kidding. XIGNCODE (at least the old version) installs a system driver. When a system driver has some sort of problem, it can result in a BSOD, just like any other system driver that has some sort of conflict or problem. All you're saying is that, in at least one or more circumstances, the driver has triggered a kernel panic. But there's in no way enough information to know the actual root cause, and what chain of events caused the panic. The fact that XIGNCODE files are in the BSOD just mean that, yes, in fact, it's a system driver.

I've said forever that the software is not fit for purpose because it's clearly ineffectual, but these arguments are just not going to work.
TERA PC - General Discussion#391 Melyodis06/16/2018, 10:28 PM
Xerses wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
cRAPPYGame wrote: »

A support employee is diferent than a GM stand for.

I thought you will quote Seandynamite, CobaltDragon or KitTeaCup.

I think we're missing the bigger point here. It doesn't matter if it was a GM or support. They're both representatives of EME. In your day to day business whether you work for yourself or you work for another company you'd never tell a customer to get lost which is essentially what was said in the quoted link. Then they go one step further and offer to delete your data. That sounds a bit rational and I wonder what exactly was said to them in the first place for them to respond that aggressively. Regardless, with that response from EME it's very obvious they want to kill Tera off now.

stop twisting what the eme staff said where in the response he/she said get lost come on he if you do not wish to use see why people does get kill for a simple twist of words and a guy gets killed lawd these little children still bickering for somn that will not be removed and yet still they playing tera well go to better games that coming just send your stuff to me message me your info my bank has space.


A support employee is diferent than a GM stand for.

I thought you will quote Seandynamite, CobaltDragon or KitTeaCup.[/quote]

It was a GM cherub ,,,,not going to name names etc as that would be unfair however 'bread' and dragony like they sounded....oops i redacted the name as i dont think its eme's fault and they are left dealing with the [filtered].
TERA PC - General Discussion#393 Naru200806/16/2018, 10:54 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
I'm surprised that they are ignoring, when simply XIGNCODE was proven to cause BSODs.

EVEN A BSODs should be enough to notify that this ANTI-HACK tool is garbage!
Look, any driver can cause a BSOD. I troubleshooted a BSOD on my machine that was caused by an old version of VPN software that installed a network driver that didn't uninstall properly. I troubleshooted a BSOD that was caused by a controller driver, even when the controller wasn't plugged in at all. I troubleshooted BSODs caused by incompatibilities introduced by Microsoft themselves in new Windows updates that required them to release another update to fix the first update they broke. Not to mention BSODs caused routinely by video card drivers, audio drivers, network drivers, and on and on. At least we're no longer living in the Windows ME days when you'd get a BSOD basically all the time because things were just that unstable.

Respectfully, your whole thing about "oh no it causes a BSOD!" is another piece of fear-mongering paranoia that won't be taken seriously, even though XIGNCODE is not fit for purpose.

BUT IT WAS LINKED TO WELLBIA/XIGNCODE FILES IN THE BSOD! Counterpoint, where is your head?

I've begun wondering why you're all over the place. I know your paranoia about Discord. Literally everyone uses it.

You continue to sit here and draw all these left-field claims, but have no basis for it. At this point, you're spamming and flooding the forum with this nonsense, and need to stop. You're violating the rules at this point.

You have legitimate concerns, just like everyone else, but you're actually making the problem WORSE by spreading the paranoia without any basis for your claims, just like with Chrome saying their website was malware, when it was literally nothing less than an unsecured connection to GOOGLE for loading a CUSTOM FONT for the WEBSITE.

Please, you're not helping your case, or anyone else's. You're making the true complaints become buried in non-sense and paranoia, making it worse. Please Misty. Stop.
TERA PC - General Discussion#394 Yamazuki06/16/2018, 10:58 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
FORGET IT! EME/BHS if you really want know? The truth...

XIGNCODE HAS SERIOUS ISSUES!

Causes BSODs (conflicts with Kernel)
Causes ruined SDDs
Very intrusive on some gaming devices and programs. Even windows system files!

Releasing something that awful, shouldn't be considered, and is unprofessional!

Xigncode3 on Tera doesn't really do much of anything in terms of system resources. Under normal conditions it has non-existent cpu and disk usage with memory only taking up ~2mb. It's only a minority group, like with every other form of software, that is seeing issues. Now, rather than actually fixing the problem, or sharing any data so EME can fix it too, there's people making up a bunch of exaggerated lies.

If you know nothing about BSODs, there's a Windows forum dedicated purely to finding out what causes them and any steps you may take to resolve them. For those having performance issues, it is as simple as disabling every non-essential software, running the game, then enabling one or a couple at a time until the problem shows up. Otherwise, following your logic, NVidia's software is also intrusive malware out to take over the world because it causes BSODs or made a handful of games unplayable unless you disabled it under the Windows 10 startup until it got fixed.

Also, your suggested alternatives to Xigncode3, contrary to your typical lying, has in fact also caused BSODs or performance issues. The same is true for every single other additional software for other games, even from big publishers like Riot and Blizzard. You also have the option of sticking to console gaming over PC gaming if all the complexities that come with playing games on a PC is that unbearable, unless you truly do enjoy your fictional story telling and conspiracies, as that's what you'll have to do on every official forum for any game due to them all using additional software that causes some sort of issue and collects data.
LegateTR wrote: »
I find it amusing how many people consistently hop on eme's [filtered] and defend even their dumbest choices like it's their job.

Let's all just agree XIGNCODE needs to go.

Not agreeing with lies=/=supporting failed software.
TERA PC - General Discussion#395 MistyTera06/17/2018, 03:02 AM
SO EME/BHS READ THIS! SUE WELLBIA PLEASE! OR HAVE THEM FIX THEIR GARBAGE!

https://lifewire.com/blue-screen-error-codes-4065576

This BSOD means that Microsoft Windows or a kernel-mode driver accessed paged memory at DISPATCH_LEVEL or above. BSOD error code 0x0000000A may also show "IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL" on the same blue screen.

IT'S ACCESSING MEMORY AND ALLOCATING IT! WELLBIA ARE IN FACT A JOKE OR DON'T KNOW KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!

The IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL bug check has a value of 0x0000000A. This indicates that Microsoft Windows or a kernel-mode driver accessed paged memory at an invalid address while at a raised interrupt request level (IRQL). IQL is a priority system of the kernel. At some IRQL in kernel you can't access data which are stored in pagefile.

Cause:
This issue occurs because a process allocates its memory by using the MEM_WRITE_WATCH parameter. When the operating system terminates the process, the allocated memory is freed. However, a write watch-related flag in the EPROCESS structure is not reset. Therefore, the freed memory is accessed, and you receive the Stop error message that is mentioned in the "Symptoms" section.

VIRTUALALLOC->if that fails, it can or could corrupt your files!

NO ANTI-HACK TOOL SHOULD BE ALLOCATING MEMORY! THAT'S THE FINAL STRAW EME/BHS! GET RID OF IT NOW! SINCE WELLBIA DOESN'T FIX IT, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO SUBMIT, WELLBIA IS IN FACT A JOKE!

EVEN IF I'M WRONG OR NOT ON MY EXPLANATION, I'M HAVING A HEADACHE OVER THIS! STILL NOTHING SHOULD CAUSE A BLUE SCREEN ON PEOPLE!

So read what your community is stating! We are your customers! Many gamers have had issues with WELLBIA/XIGNCODE! They have sent xigncode.logs and get nothing, but nonsense help! People got corrupted SDD over this ANTI-HACK TOOL! THAT'S ENOUGH TO BE SERIOUS! WE ARE NOT JOKING! NO ANTI-HACK TOOL SHOULD BE READING MY KERNAL SYSTEM! IS THAT CLEAR?!

IT SHOULD BE READING ONLY THE PROBLEMS THAT EXIST!
We as a community have forums and we told you what problems are existent!




As someone who spends the better part of their workday doing programming work... this is rich. Feels like when you see someone who knows nothing about cars arguing with mechanics about what their car "needs", since they watched a 5 minute YouTube video "explaining" it.

...I would like to make a request. Sure, we all know BSODs are bad. We can agree there. But please... if you don't actually understand what any of the tech jargon means - if you just are Googling a Microsoft tech page and copy-pasting, maybe with a few bolded sections for emphasis - then stop. Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Every non-trivial program allocates memory. Every non-trivial program accesses memory. This is a simple fact of computer life. It does not matter whether you work on Minesweeper, or the guts of a system-level driver. Memory is a basic, fundamental feature of modern computer design - and allocation/access simply means you are using it. A program that uses no memory does nothing. (And perhaps would make a good entry in the obfuscated C contest.)

When your normal program screws up, it crashes. This can manifest in many ways - the infamous "not responding", maybe a crash report dialog, etc. Either way, your program is isolated, so the host OS can chop it off and let the rest of the computer continue. For a good example, look at TERA - when it goes down, it just dies, and you're back at the launcher.

When your driver screws up, it most certainly can cause a BSOD. There's not much lower-level than a driver, after all. There is no isolation at that level - a failing driver can take a lot of stuff out with it. For example, a driver has access to core kernel data structures - if the kernel detects one of those has gotten flubbed up, the kernel HAS to stop everything, or risk further corruption.

IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL is one of those. It's a bugcheck, meaning the kernel noticed something happen that shouldn't have happened, and stopped to prevent further damage. "AHA", you say, "IT CAUGHT AN EVIL VIRU-" no. Stop talking and shut up. The kernel has no such concepts. Someone used stale pointer, or perhaps it referred to paged memory (which couldn't be paged in due to the current IRQL), or any number of things - it's been a while since I wrote drivers, so maybe I'm a little rusty in that knowledge. But it's likely almost any small thing. Dumb things. Logical errors. The kind of problems that bad programmers make (and even good ones, albeit less frequently).

Is this BSOD good? No. Of course not.

But it is not some kind of indictment of evil corporate espionage, or malicious accesses, or anything like that. It's just what it is - a faulty program, who just happens to be faulty at the driver level.
TERA PC - General Discussion#397 MistyTera06/17/2018, 04:01 AM
pltnmvenus wrote: »
As someone who spends the better part of their workday doing programming work... this is rich. Feels like when you see someone who knows nothing about cars arguing with mechanics about what their car "needs", since they watched a 5 minute YouTube video "explaining" it.

...I would like to make a request. Sure, we all know BSODs are bad. We can agree there. But please... if you don't actually understand what any of the tech jargon means - if you just are Googling a Microsoft tech page and copy-pasting, maybe with a few bolded sections for emphasis - then stop. Just stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

Every non-trivial program allocates memory. Every non-trivial program accesses memory. This is a simple fact of computer life. It does not matter whether you work on Minesweeper, or the guts of a system-level driver. Memory is a basic, fundamental feature of modern computer design - and allocation/access simply means you are using it. A program that uses no memory does nothing. (And perhaps would make a good entry in the obfuscated C contest.)

When your normal program screws up, it crashes. This can manifest in many ways - the infamous "not responding", maybe a crash report dialog, etc. Either way, your program is isolated, so the host OS can chop it off and let the rest of the computer continue. For a good example, look at TERA - when it goes down, it just dies, and you're back at the launcher.

When your driver screws up, it most certainly can cause a BSOD. There's not much lower-level than a driver, after all. There is no isolation at that level - a failing driver can take a lot of stuff out with it. For example, a driver has access to core kernel data structures - if the kernel detects one of those has gotten flubbed up, the kernel HAS to stop everything, or risk further corruption.

IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL is one of those. It's a bugcheck, meaning the kernel noticed something happen that shouldn't have happened, and stopped to prevent further damage. "AHA", you say, "IT CAUGHT AN EVIL VIRU-" no. Stop talking and shut up. The kernel has no such concepts. Someone used stale pointer, or perhaps it referred to paged memory (which couldn't be paged in due to the current IRQL), or any number of things - it's been a while since I wrote drivers, so maybe I'm a little rusty in that knowledge. But it's likely almost any small thing. Dumb things. Logical errors. The kind of problems that bad programmers make (and even good ones, albeit less frequently).

Is this BSOD good? No. Of course not.

But it is not some kind of indictment of evil corporate espionage, or malicious accesses, or anything like that. It's just what it is - a faulty program, who just happens to be faulty at the driver level.

I STATED, "EVEN IF I'M WRONG OR NOT ON MY EXPLANATION, I'M HAVING A HEADACHE OVER THIS!" STILL NO ANTI-HACK SHOULD CAUSE A BSOD! PERIOD!

STOP OPPOSING ME!

MistyTera wrote: »
I STATED, "EVEN IF I'M WRONG OR NOT ON MY EXPLANATION, I'M HAVING A HEADACHE OVER THIS!" STILL NO ANTI-HACK SHOULD CAUSE A BSOD! PERIOD!

STOP OPPOSING ME!

I'm not "opposing" you; quit acting like you're some victim or martyr. This xigncode thing is worthless garbage. I want it gone from TERA. We (almost) all do. And none of us said it "should" be causing a BSOD. The BSOD is bad, and should be fixed, as all programming problems should be fixed.

But you're not helping.

You're drowning the thread in hyperbole and misinformation. If you don't understand something, why try to present it as fact? Because now people spend dozens of posts arguing back and forth about it. If all you really were sure of was that this garbage shouldn't be BSOD-ing us, then just say that. And we'd all have saved pages worth of discussion.
TERA PC - General Discussion#399 Xerses06/17/2018, 04:15 AM
Melyodis wrote: »
Xerses wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
cRAPPYGame wrote: »

A support employee is diferent than a GM stand for.

I thought you will quote Seandynamite, CobaltDragon or KitTeaCup.

I think we're missing the bigger point here. It doesn't matter if it was a GM or support. They're both representatives of EME. In your day to day business whether you work for yourself or you work for another company you'd never tell a customer to get lost which is essentially what was said in the quoted link. Then they go one step further and offer to delete your data. That sounds a bit rational and I wonder what exactly was said to them in the first place for them to respond that aggressively. Regardless, with that response from EME it's very obvious they want to kill Tera off now.

insert really long run on sentence that makes zero sense

What? Did you even click on the link and read what they wrote?
TERA PC - General Discussion#400 MistyTera06/17/2018, 04:28 AM
pltnmvenus wrote: »
But you're not helping.

I was a victim of martyr with XIGNCODE by BSOD from past experience! I'm evaluating by observations. Trying to understand what's going on! I'm sorry if you take it wrong. However, opposing me on my searches, I'm trying to my best, when I'm not computer savvy at all! Still correct me, but not like some person that is creating drama! We are trying to do this together!
TERA PC - General Discussion#401 ElinUsagi06/17/2018, 04:31 AM
MistyTera wrote: »
pltnmvenus wrote: »
But you're not helping.

I was a victim of martyr with XIGNCODE by BSOD from past experience! I'm evaluating by observations. Trying to understand what's going on! I'm sorry if you take it wrong. However, opposing me on my searches. I'm trying to my best, when I'm not computer savvy at all! Still correct me, but not like some person that is creating drama! We are trying to do this together!

Do you know that a BSOD can happen with only Windows installed without anything more in your PC?

Do you know that a 100% disc usage can happen with only Windows process running and some times for a long time making your SSD life shorter?

Why are you not complaining about that on MS support forums?
TERA PC - General Discussion#402 MistyTera06/17/2018, 04:39 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
pltnmvenus wrote: »
But you're not helping.

I was a victim of martyr with XIGNCODE by BSOD from past experience! I'm evaluating by observations. Trying to understand what's going on! I'm sorry if you take it wrong. However, opposing me on my searches. I'm trying to my best, when I'm not computer savvy at all! Still correct me, but not like some person that is creating drama! We are trying to do this together!

Do you know that a BSOD can happen with only Windows installed without anything more in your PC?

Do you know that a 100% disc usage can happen with only Windows process running and some times for a long time making your SSD life shorter?

Why are you not complaining about that on MS support forums?

pam4WWq.jpg It's linked! OK
TERA PC - General Discussion#403 TomRipley06/17/2018, 04:39 AM
@MistyTera:
From what I've seen, EME won't remove xigncode.
So, given that, your only choice is to either leave or live with it.

I really appreciate your research, and I get that you are desperately trying to get your Tera fix again, but let's face it: EME (and BHS) won't do jack sh*t about the xigncode, you can either accept it or leave.

KitTeaCup will, at some point, release an FAQ, but there will be no actual discussion.

I've already made my peace with Tera. It's 3k+ hours, but life moves on. If EME doesn't want me, I say: let them go on with gold sellers posting every 5 seconds on every chat they can hijack, let people outside of established guilds wait ages for a queue to pop, let potato PC players struggle with 15-20ish fps.

It's their decision. Obvisouly, EME rather wants a no use 3rd party program forced unto everyone instead of a flourishing or even stable playerbase. Who are we to question it? There's better things in life to pursue than still debating about Tera getting a grip after 3+ years.
TERA PC - General Discussion#404 MistyTera06/17/2018, 04:41 AM
THIS IS WHAT THEY NEED!

SERVER-SIDE ANTI-HACK TOOLS ARE BETTER! Why have something that bugs down performance on players like XIGNCODE?

https://latesthackingnews.com/2015/03/17/why-server-side-games-generally-cant-be-hacked/

Have server hack tool protection on the client! It's possible! No one can figure it out! It will be extremely hard!

Any so called ‘gem hack’ will not work because the data is stored server side, so editing the data client side will then need to be confirmed server side.
Hey @MistyTera
you need to relax and chill a bit.

no one is disagreeing with you
no one likes this software
there are no pro's, it's all con's
it's even bad for EME/BHS

so far as I can tell the only people benefiting are Wellbia.

There is no need to create complex technical arguments that experts can easily poke holes in, if XIGNCODE is causing BSOD's then it is clearly doing something it should not be doing... end of story. Whether it is malicious intent or just incompetent design is totally irrelevant.
It's just another excellent reason to throw on the massive pile of reasons why this cancer should be removed from the game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#406 MistyTera06/17/2018, 04:53 AM
If XIGNCODE is causing BSOD's then it is clearly doing something it should not be doing... end of story. Whether it is malicious intent or just incompetent design is totally irrelevant.

Concurred. Yet, it seems that EME/BHS has to know why.

In general, yes. Stuff done on the server side is safer, more secure, and less prone to hacking than stuff done on the client.

A pretty fundamental rule when designing a client/server system is that the client cannot be trusted, ever. Period. The client runs on someone else's computer. You have no way (as a game developer, or website owner, or whatever) of knowing what that user is doing. What programs they have installed. What hacks and tweaks and stuff they might have. Anything important or critical must be verified by the server - because a sufficiently savvy user can (and will) make the client lie.

Really, there are two fundamental ways to combat hacks and glitches and stuff. Either you find the bug/hole that allows the exploit and you fix it, or you leave the bug/hole in and prevent anyone from ever being able to exploit it. Obviously, the first is better; the second is just a bandaid. Xigncode is the second - it tries to stop you from running TERA with any "bad" programs, which would (in theory) stop exploits without ever having to fix the underlying bugs/holes.

...Doing it properly - actually stopping crap at the server, instead of just tossing some police tape up around your game - is much, much harder. It takes time, money, and effort. It doesn't surprise me that much that BHS opts to forgo actually fixing their code, instead paying someone else for a bandaid.
Can you pls stop write caps/not caps??its hard to read.
There is a surprising population drop off since they introduced the XIGNCODE rootkit.

Check it out, http://steamcharts.com/app/323370#1m
Its an interesting graph to look at, you can even scale it back to compare it to early 2018, the current population has never been this low.

Basically from looking on the weekends, you can see at best 100 people less, but at worst as much as 500+ people less. And keep in mind, they have recently released new gear and content yet lost people. Also keep in mind, some people used to run a couple instances of the game at once, so the number may be less if that is taken into consideration.

Pre XIGNCODE rootkit
Sunday May 27th, peak of 2916 people
Saturday June 2nd, peak of 3169 people
Sunday June 3rd, peak of 3219 people
Post XIGNCODE rootkit
Saturday June 9th, peak of 2799 people
Sunday June 10, peak of 2799 people
Saturday June 16, peak of 2381 people

And you have to realize, this is just steam stats, and does not include the people who don't use steam. The people who just use the launcher are likely more computer savvy and cautious about their PCs and don't trust any DRM scam like steam, let alone XIGNCODE and would have an even larger drop out rate.

Impossible to know though if equal amounts run the game outside steam or within, but even if the number is 50% less, that is still probably around 100-200 people non steam people lost.

As the word spreads though, more will leave. This game had a fairly steady population, its too bad they decided to scare off the loyal hardcore remaining fans of the game. TERA is tiny in size compared to Blueholes PUBG, so this aggression against TERA's small and fragile player base its just mind boggling to me. Its a death blow.
TERA PC - General Discussion#410 miskay06/17/2018, 06:27 AM
Sadly nothing we can do to change things,we play or walk away,i'm done.
And we who left also will not benefit from people who left.
There is a surprising population drop off since they introduced the XIGNCODE rootkit.

Honestly, if you look on the same report at the same one-month period in 2017, you'll see the same pattern of a drop-off in June. As the summer months hit, TERA's population drops (presumably because people are done school and/or are enjoying the summer). I'm not saying that nobody left the game because of this, of course -- we see some of them in this very thread -- but you can't use these statistics and draw that kind of conclusion. Based on years past, you'll continue to see lower numbers during the summer months, with traffic picking up again in September.

Again, this is not trying to justify or excuse the use of this ineffective tool.
TERA PC - General Discussion#413 Christin06/17/2018, 07:21 AM
MistyTera wrote: »
If XIGNCODE is causing BSOD's then it is clearly doing something it should not be doing... end of story. Whether it is malicious intent or just incompetent design is totally irrelevant.

Concurred. Yet, it seems that EME/BHS has to know why. I feel like a waste of my time! Server-side Protection is so much better though!

I know it's tough to move on, but sometimes, that is the best thing to do. I was playing Tera 7 days a week for over 10 hours each day. Legions would take me a minimum of 4 hours alone. My kid's have accounts to, and my daughter was still playing on her account. My kids started over 3 years ago, and I started daily playing about a year and a half ago. It's really tough to stop something abruptly like we had to do, but eventually, you'll feel better and will move onto other games or activities. It will be OK.
There is a surprising population drop off since they introduced the XIGNCODE rootkit.

Honestly, if you look on the same report at the same one-month period in 2017, you'll see the same pattern of a drop-off in June. As the summer months hit, TERA's population drops (presumably because people are done school and/or are enjoying the summer). I'm not saying that nobody left the game because of this, of course -- we see some of them in this very thread -- but you can't use these statistics and draw that kind of conclusion. Based on years past, you'll continue to see lower numbers during the summer months, with traffic picking up again in September.

Again, this is not trying to justify or excuse the use of this ineffective tool.

Ya the summer may be to blame, hard to exactly know since we did get a slight population boost from Male brawler... i'm not fully convinced at looking at previous summers because of big class releases that happened each May of the year.

Valkyrie was released in April 2017.

In May 2016 the Ninja was released.

Then before that, the gunner in may 2015

And in May 2014, the Reaper (also level 65 level cap increase).

You see the pattern. Late spring class release, burst in pop size for May, then rapid population drop again near end of may or early June.
All the data is tricky to be 100% sure on so i guess we won't know for sure until september or october to compare those numbers.... those big class releases each year really throw off the numbers.
I've stopped logging in since XIGN.
I've removed the game from my system, after losing my SSD, replacing it( and getting two this time to separate my OS so i wouldn't have to reinstall windows a again) It keep crashing during the same spot of xigncode loading that borked my first ssd. I'm done. I'm out. EME and BHS won't get another cent from me until this hot garbage is removed. Ive got a mountain of other games and hobbies so it won't be hard. See you guys later. I'll keep an eye out from time to time but ultimately I'm disgusted with EME/BHS and am quite leery of trying anything from the in the future.
I've removed the game from my system, after losing my SSD, replacing it( and getting two this time to separate my OS so i wouldn't have to reinstall windows a again) It keep crashing during the same spot of xigncode loading that borked my first ssd. I'm done. I'm out. EME and BHS won't get another cent from me until this hot garbage is removed. Ive got a mountain of other games and hobbies so it won't be hard. See you guys later. I'll keep an eye out from time to time but ultimately I'm disgusted with EME/BHS and am quite leery of trying anything from the in the future.
I realize you're "done" after what happened, but the most useful thing so that there's documented evidence of this problem happening (and exactly what caused it) would be if you could submit your diagnostic details to EME in a ticket, including your XIGNCODE log. Regardless of whether it results in them removing the tool or not, these bugs should be fixed.
TERA PC - General Discussion#418 TomRipley06/17/2018, 09:32 PM
I've removed the game from my system, after losing my SSD, replacing it( and getting two this time to separate my OS so i wouldn't have to reinstall windows a again) It keep crashing during the same spot of xigncode loading that borked my first ssd. I'm done. I'm out. EME and BHS won't get another cent from me until this hot garbage is removed. Ive got a mountain of other games and hobbies so it won't be hard. See you guys later. I'll keep an eye out from time to time but ultimately I'm disgusted with EME/BHS and am quite leery of trying anything from the in the future.
I realize you're "done" after what happened, but the most useful thing so that there's documented evidence of this problem happening (and exactly what caused it) would be if you could submit your diagnostic details to EME in a ticket, including your XIGNCODE log. Regardless of whether it results in them removing the tool or not, these bugs should be fixed.

There's a certain irony to be found here, proposing they should help out a company that in turn refuses to properly communicate with us about this whole issue. I mean, sonic has written about this several times. If EME would be interested in fixing this stuff, they could've simply asked for details themselves.
TERA PC - General Discussion#419 vkobe06/17/2018, 09:34 PM
There is a surprising population drop off since they introduced the XIGNCODE rootkit.

Check it out, http://steamcharts.com/app/323370#1m
Its an interesting graph to look at, you can even scale it back to compare it to early 2018, the current population has never been this low.

Basically from looking on the weekends, you can see at best 100 people less, but at worst as much as 500+ people less. And keep in mind, they have recently released new gear and content yet lost people. Also keep in mind, some people used to run a couple instances of the game at once, so the number may be less if that is taken into consideration.

Pre XIGNCODE rootkit
Sunday May 27th, peak of 2916 people
Saturday June 2nd, peak of 3169 people
Sunday June 3rd, peak of 3219 people
Post XIGNCODE rootkit
Saturday June 9th, peak of 2799 people
Sunday June 10, peak of 2799 people
Saturday June 16, peak of 2381 people

And you have to realize, this is just steam stats, and does not include the people who don't use steam. The people who just use the launcher are likely more computer savvy and cautious about their PCs and don't trust any DRM scam like steam, let alone XIGNCODE and would have an even larger drop out rate.

Impossible to know though if equal amounts run the game outside steam or within, but even if the number is 50% less, that is still probably around 100-200 people non steam people lost.

As the word spreads though, more will leave. This game had a fairly steady population, its too bad they decided to scare off the loyal hardcore remaining fans of the game. TERA is tiny in size compared to Blueholes PUBG, so this aggression against TERA's small and fragile player base its just mind boggling to me. Its a death blow.

why pop increased in march and april ? :3
vkobe wrote: »
There is a surprising population drop off since they introduced the XIGNCODE rootkit.

Check it out, http://steamcharts.com/app/323370#1m
Its an interesting graph to look at, you can even scale it back to compare it to early 2018, the current population has never been this low.

Basically from looking on the weekends, you can see at best 100 people less, but at worst as much as 500+ people less. And keep in mind, they have recently released new gear and content yet lost people. Also keep in mind, some people used to run a couple instances of the game at once, so the number may be less if that is taken into consideration.

Pre XIGNCODE rootkit
Sunday May 27th, peak of 2916 people
Saturday June 2nd, peak of 3169 people
Sunday June 3rd, peak of 3219 people
Post XIGNCODE rootkit
Saturday June 9th, peak of 2799 people
Sunday June 10, peak of 2799 people
Saturday June 16, peak of 2381 people

And you have to realize, this is just steam stats, and does not include the people who don't use steam. The people who just use the launcher are likely more computer savvy and cautious about their PCs and don't trust any DRM scam like steam, let alone XIGNCODE and would have an even larger drop out rate.

Impossible to know though if equal amounts run the game outside steam or within, but even if the number is 50% less, that is still probably around 100-200 people non steam people lost.

As the word spreads though, more will leave. This game had a fairly steady population, its too bad they decided to scare off the loyal hardcore remaining fans of the game. TERA is tiny in size compared to Blueholes PUBG, so this aggression against TERA's small and fragile player base its just mind boggling to me. Its a death blow.

why pop increased in march and april ? :3

My guess would be the male brawler class release which i think was mid March 2018. Then in April the Apex release which was an even bigger bit deal. It let slayer, warrior, berserker, priest, mystic and lancer do a quest to unlock powerful extra skills and 5 extra talent points.

Those two events, like any class release or big content release causes a return of players... which is a bit of proof that they lost players, even after releasing new gear and content, showing XIGNCODE has killed off a portion of the loyal base.

And its steam stats, people also run the game independent of steam, so the numbers could be double that.
TomRipley wrote: »
I've removed the game from my system, after losing my SSD, replacing it( and getting two this time to separate my OS so i wouldn't have to reinstall windows a again) It keep crashing during the same spot of xigncode loading that borked my first ssd. I'm done. I'm out. EME and BHS won't get another cent from me until this hot garbage is removed. Ive got a mountain of other games and hobbies so it won't be hard. See you guys later. I'll keep an eye out from time to time but ultimately I'm disgusted with EME/BHS and am quite leery of trying anything from the in the future.
I realize you're "done" after what happened, but the most useful thing so that there's documented evidence of this problem happening (and exactly what caused it) would be if you could submit your diagnostic details to EME in a ticket, including your XIGNCODE log. Regardless of whether it results in them removing the tool or not, these bugs should be fixed.

There's a certain irony to be found here, proposing they should help out a company that in turn refuses to properly communicate with us about this whole issue. I mean, sonic has written about this several times. If EME would be interested in fixing this stuff, they could've simply asked for details themselves.

Who gives two [filtered] about the company. Help other people that could similarly see something bad happen to their SSD.
TomRipley wrote: »
I've removed the game from my system, after losing my SSD, replacing it( and getting two this time to separate my OS so i wouldn't have to reinstall windows a again) It keep crashing during the same spot of xigncode loading that borked my first ssd. I'm done. I'm out. EME and BHS won't get another cent from me until this hot garbage is removed. Ive got a mountain of other games and hobbies so it won't be hard. See you guys later. I'll keep an eye out from time to time but ultimately I'm disgusted with EME/BHS and am quite leery of trying anything from the in the future.
I realize you're "done" after what happened, but the most useful thing so that there's documented evidence of this problem happening (and exactly what caused it) would be if you could submit your diagnostic details to EME in a ticket, including your XIGNCODE log. Regardless of whether it results in them removing the tool or not, these bugs should be fixed.

There's a certain irony to be found here, proposing they should help out a company that in turn refuses to properly communicate with us about this whole issue. I mean, sonic has written about this several times. If EME would be interested in fixing this stuff, they could've simply asked for details themselves.

Who gives two [filtered] about the company. Help other people that could similarly see something bad happen to their SSD.

Not possible to patch xigncode in a way that stops it from damaging older SSD's without also patching out it's ability to cause blue screens, which couldn't possibly make it less effective than the 0% success rate it already has, but would stop it from ostensibly detecting certain hooks.
TomRipley wrote: »
I've removed the game from my system, after losing my SSD, replacing it( and getting two this time to separate my OS so i wouldn't have to reinstall windows a again) It keep crashing during the same spot of xigncode loading that borked my first ssd. I'm done. I'm out. EME and BHS won't get another cent from me until this hot garbage is removed. Ive got a mountain of other games and hobbies so it won't be hard. See you guys later. I'll keep an eye out from time to time but ultimately I'm disgusted with EME/BHS and am quite leery of trying anything from the in the future.
I realize you're "done" after what happened, but the most useful thing so that there's documented evidence of this problem happening (and exactly what caused it) would be if you could submit your diagnostic details to EME in a ticket, including your XIGNCODE log. Regardless of whether it results in them removing the tool or not, these bugs should be fixed.

There's a certain irony to be found here, proposing they should help out a company that in turn refuses to properly communicate with us about this whole issue. I mean, sonic has written about this several times. If EME would be interested in fixing this stuff, they could've simply asked for details themselves.

Who gives two [filtered] about the company. Help other people that could similarly see something bad happen to their SSD.

Not possible to patch xigncode in a way that stops it from damaging older SSD's without also patching out it's ability to cause blue screens, which couldn't possibly make it less effective than the 0% success rate it already has, but would stop it from ostensibly detecting certain hooks.

Given that it's crashing with the new SSD, it suggests there's something else going on than just "a normal file scan could kill an old SSD that was already on the edge." Perhaps incompatibility with a certain motherboard or drive controller? Anyway, that in particular could probably be solved without undermining the (still ineffective anyway) software's design.
TERA PC - General Discussion#424 vkobe06/18/2018, 02:28 AM
TomRipley wrote: »
I've removed the game from my system, after losing my SSD, replacing it( and getting two this time to separate my OS so i wouldn't have to reinstall windows a again) It keep crashing during the same spot of xigncode loading that borked my first ssd. I'm done. I'm out. EME and BHS won't get another cent from me until this hot garbage is removed. Ive got a mountain of other games and hobbies so it won't be hard. See you guys later. I'll keep an eye out from time to time but ultimately I'm disgusted with EME/BHS and am quite leery of trying anything from the in the future.
I realize you're "done" after what happened, but the most useful thing so that there's documented evidence of this problem happening (and exactly what caused it) would be if you could submit your diagnostic details to EME in a ticket, including your XIGNCODE log. Regardless of whether it results in them removing the tool or not, these bugs should be fixed.

There's a certain irony to be found here, proposing they should help out a company that in turn refuses to properly communicate with us about this whole issue. I mean, sonic has written about this several times. If EME would be interested in fixing this stuff, they could've simply asked for details themselves.

Who gives two [filtered] about the company. Help other people that could similarly see something bad happen to their SSD.

Not possible to patch xigncode in a way that stops it from damaging older SSD's without also patching out it's ability to cause blue screens, which couldn't possibly make it less effective than the 0% success rate it already has, but would stop it from ostensibly detecting certain hooks.

buy new ssd for 100$ ;)

and you will have a good reason to increase the storage of your new ssd ;)

old ssd=500 gb

new ssd = 2 terabyte :yum:
TERA PC - General Discussion#425 TomRipley06/18/2018, 08:00 AM
TomRipley wrote: »
There's a certain irony to be found here, proposing they should help out a company that in turn refuses to properly communicate with us about this whole issue. I mean, sonic has written about this several times. If EME would be interested in fixing this stuff, they could've simply asked for details themselves.

Who gives two [filtered] about the company. Help other people that could similarly see something bad happen to their SSD.

Do you honestly think either BHS/EME (not exactly known for fixing issues with their game, like say basic performance) or Wellbia (whose program doesn't even do what it's supposed to at all) would give two [filtered] either? Imho all you're asking sonic to do is waste time and effort.
TERA PC - General Discussion#426 MistyTera06/18/2018, 06:33 PM
You know if EME/BHS fixed the November 2017 chat vulnerability, I'm 100% sure that they can make a server side-protected game against hacks.

I know EME/BHS can make a server-sided protected game, because that November 2017 chat vulnerability was fixed in so little time. I think EME/BHS are really underestimating themselves. EME/BHS are more concentrated on their game vs losing 2000+ of the play base. It's like EME/BHS believe that 2000+ people have hacked the game. UM NO!

It works with steam :3

star-force.com/products/starforce-mmog/

TomRipley wrote: »
Imho all you're asking sonic to do is waste time and effort. I mean, given that all the relevant data is located on an SSD xigncode trashed, they'd either have to spend money to hire someone to try and retrieve said data from the broken device, or at the very least send in the SSD to Wellbia (since EME has stated before that technical issues are solved by them), which probably is quite costly as well, in case you forgot: they are located in Korea.

You didn't actually pay attention at all to what he said. He's having the same crash now on his new SSD (though it has not trashed the new drive). So whatever caused the crash in the first place was not the SSD itself, but something unique to the computer. That's what needs to be troubleshooted.
Angelia "GM Discodolly" wrote...2018-06-18 10:24AM PDT
Hi there!

I am afraid as it stands, Xigncode will not be removed.
I understand your passionate about this, however your request is not being considered at this time.
I have pushed the feedback forward, and that is what I can do. Until it is decided to use something else, Xigncode will stay.

Thank you!

Angelia GM Discodolly
EME Customer Support

So everyone, it seems that possibly EME/BHS might go with some server-client protection? Something that doesn't cause BSODs like XIGNCODE. For now XIGNCODE stays. That's all I state of what's going on. It's seems that EME/BHS finally know what's going on and might try to fix the issues with XIGNCODE or decide on something else. I was really sincere about it.

TERA PC - General Discussion#429 TomRipley06/18/2018, 10:50 PM
TomRipley wrote: »
Imho all you're asking sonic to do is waste time and effort. I mean, given that all the relevant data is located on an SSD xigncode trashed, they'd either have to spend money to hire someone to try and retrieve said data from the broken device, or at the very least send in the SSD to Wellbia (since EME has stated before that technical issues are solved by them), which probably is quite costly as well, in case you forgot: they are located in Korea.

You didn't actually pay attention at all to what he said. He's having the same crash now on his new SSD (though it has not trashed the new drive). So whatever caused the crash in the first place was not the SSD itself, but something unique to the computer. That's what needs to be troubleshooted.

He also said he's done with the game and the company. I mean, sure, by all means, try and convince him to put in the extra effort with no interest towards himself.
In any case, my point still stands: EME should've contacted him for troubleshooting. Assuming someone who's had already experienced substantial financial damage and is not even willing to put up with the game anymore should take the initiative here to me seems like a fool's errand.
That might be silly to suggest but, How about they update the game so it doesn't do anything? Like, nothing at all untill they find something that actually work?
voidy wrote: »
Which server is this? Here on CH, the amount of bots DOUBLED, as if they're doing it just to spite the recent measures.

Tempest Reach.
I guess we'll be seeing more of 'oh noes my comp exploded' cries then.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TERA PC - General Discussion#432 Mercival06/19/2018, 06:51 PM
I think I'll quit in the end I don't care so much about their thing on this system that I play games on but don't feel they gave proper warning before hand. They should have literally post in bright red warning letters all over the website, launcher, and email you we about to install this malware crep on ya system now is the time to opt out if not good luck....I don't like things that run with out my permission on my system that just are useless... imo

Although play if you like the game and aren't having issues eme should fix it to where this software isn't causing frame drops and blue screen for people or log on problems. I'd say more people would be inclined to trust the software if it actually had good track record and the company was transparent on what is being collected period. I have personally logged on and played and notice no real difference in my own play experience other than that program that I did not want on my gaming computer... of course I didn't qol test it either for long because being livid about mr. spyglass on my system before I was like you kdkfdjfj up cancle elite just eat that $40 that acc mount you just bought >_<

Going forward I may come back if some major patch comes out that actually interest me and hopefully by then either they have xign to where its not noticed and we get updated info in what its collecting and are looking for on system with a white paper documenting it (or better option something more in house than crep software with crep record smarter option for community as a whole).

I've played since beta been through periods of playing then taking a breaks always found more reasons to come back than to leave totally but seems like they getting fewer and fewer and me personally this put foul taste in mouth and yes I know it can be easily bypassed but if I had to do that because I really wanted to play its just doesn't sit right with me.

tldr

1. If you like the game PLAY IT BY ALL MEANS... eme can possibly come out with ways to make the software be useful and not hinder the systems of the people that reported they are having issues after that patch involving it.

2. If you don't like xign crep don't play odds are eme don't care overall and any decision on whether or not to get rid of it comes down to $ and not communities overall view on it. (sometime businesses have to do this to stay a float or make profits i'm not upset with this way of thinking for companies so don't take it out of context it just stated facts)

3. Sucks if you are in the camp of just not being able to log on or have issues after this that make game unplayable feels bad man

o/ later nerds first and last post keep hope alive
TERA PC - General Discussion#433 MistyTera06/20/2018, 02:30 AM
XIGNCODE is staying, but EME/BHS are trying their best to solve the issues. That's all I'm going to leave with. I will play TERA, but not until some improvements have been made.
TERA PC - General Discussion#434 MistyTera06/20/2018, 03:52 AM
XIGNCODE hates recording software. Players record for Twitch, YouTube, etc.

[video]

:/ He stated steam, but that's really based on other games probably running.

I've removed the game from my system, after losing my SSD, replacing it( and getting two this time to separate my OS so i wouldn't have to reinstall windows a again) It keep crashing during the same spot of xigncode loading that borked my first ssd. I'm done. I'm out. EME and BHS won't get another cent from me until this hot garbage is removed. Ive got a mountain of other games and hobbies so it won't be hard. See you guys later. I'll keep an eye out from time to time but ultimately I'm disgusted with EME/BHS and am quite leery of trying anything from the in the future.
I realize you're "done" after what happened, but the most useful thing so that there's documented evidence of this problem happening (and exactly what caused it) would be if you could submit your diagnostic details to EME in a ticket, including your XIGNCODE log. Regardless of whether it results in them removing the tool or not, these bugs should be fixed.

I would man, but the SSD it destroyed was also the on that carried windows and i had to install a completely new copy of windows so all logs are unfortunately gone with the ssd.
I've removed the game from my system, after losing my SSD, replacing it( and getting two this time to separate my OS so i wouldn't have to reinstall windows a again) It keep crashing during the same spot of xigncode loading that borked my first ssd. I'm done. I'm out. EME and BHS won't get another cent from me until this hot garbage is removed. Ive got a mountain of other games and hobbies so it won't be hard. See you guys later. I'll keep an eye out from time to time but ultimately I'm disgusted with EME/BHS and am quite leery of trying anything from the in the future.
I realize you're "done" after what happened, but the most useful thing so that there's documented evidence of this problem happening (and exactly what caused it) would be if you could submit your diagnostic details to EME in a ticket, including your XIGNCODE log. Regardless of whether it results in them removing the tool or not, these bugs should be fixed.

I would man, but the SSD it destroyed was also the on that carried windows and i had to install a completely new copy of windows so all logs are unfortunately gone with the ssd.

Yeah, sorry, I just meant the logs for the crash after the re-install. Obviously, the logs from the original failure would be dead. But anyway, it really sucks that happened.
I've removed the game from my system, after losing my SSD, replacing it( and getting two this time to separate my OS so i wouldn't have to reinstall windows a again) It keep crashing during the same spot of xigncode loading that borked my first ssd. I'm done. I'm out. EME and BHS won't get another cent from me until this hot garbage is removed. Ive got a mountain of other games and hobbies so it won't be hard. See you guys later. I'll keep an eye out from time to time but ultimately I'm disgusted with EME/BHS and am quite leery of trying anything from the in the future.
I realize you're "done" after what happened, but the most useful thing so that there's documented evidence of this problem happening (and exactly what caused it) would be if you could submit your diagnostic details to EME in a ticket, including your XIGNCODE log. Regardless of whether it results in them removing the tool or not, these bugs should be fixed.

I would man, but the SSD it destroyed was also the on that carried windows and i had to install a completely new copy of windows so all logs are unfortunately gone with the ssd.

Yeah, sorry, I just meant the logs for the crash after the re-install. Obviously, the logs from the original failure would be dead. But anyway, it really sucks that happened. Hopefully you have better luck wherever you end up.

To be honest I'd like to keep playing Tera, I've been around since the closed beta's and actually really enjoy playing my lancer and mystic with the new apex skills, but I'm very leery of reinstalling the game. The crashes I received briefly after a fresh SSD install and new windows 10 64 bit install were of the insufficient memory error kind, which i don't understand because I've got 32gbs. I don't have any logs of the crashes, but I can post my hardware if any of that information may be of help. though with out the crash logs I'm not sure it's of any use. I've had time to calm down mind you but I'm still not pleased. I've tried googling other instances of peoples SSD's corrupting or dying with Xigncode use but there isn't much mention out there of it or than avoiding the program after a new SSD is purchased. I'd own the drive that got trashed for roughly 4 to 6 months prior to it's death with no issues what so ever. It was a western digital 1 TB SSD. Now I've got a 120gb SSD for my OS and 2 1tb hard drives for storage for data back up to try to avoid a system meltdown and a fresh windows install should the problem occur again.

As for my system
OS: Windows 10 Home 64 bit SP2( all most recent updates)
CPU: i7 2600k 3.4 ghz
RAM:32GB dual channel ddr3 ram. 799mhz
MOTHERBOARD: MSI Z77A-G43 (MS-7758) with most recent bios
GFX Card: Gtx 780 (by Gigabyte)

The trashed SSd was mentioned above.
TERA PC - General Discussion#438 MistyTera06/20/2018, 08:18 PM
Let me get this straight even Kaspersky caused BSODs back in 2005 with it's kernel drivers. They fixed it!

XIGNCODE-It's been 9 years of development and it's still a mess!

MistyTera wrote: »
Let me get this straight even Kaspersky caused BSODs back in 2005 with it's kernel drivers. They fixed it!

XIGNCODE-It's been 9 years of development and it's still a mess!

Is EME/BHS helpful support passing forward to incompetent Wellbia doing something about these issues being fixed or not? Or even from any company?

Just to be clear... you mentioned before that you got a BSOD with a different game's implementation in the past. Are you actively getting a BSOD now with TERA? If you're not getting the issue now with TERA, it's possible the issue you had is already fixed. If you are getting the issue now with TERA, you should send your diag and log info to EME in a ticket.

Talking in abstract at this point isn't going to change anything, regardless of how anyone feels about the program.
TERA PC - General Discussion#440 MistyTera06/20/2018, 08:57 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
Let me get this straight even Kaspersky caused BSODs back in 2005 with it's kernel drivers. They fixed it!

XIGNCODE-It's been 9 years of development and it's still a mess!

Is EME/BHS helpful support passing forward to incompetent Wellbia doing something about these issues being fixed or not? Or even from any company?

Just to be clear... you mentioned before that you got a BSOD with a different game's implementation in the past. Are you actively getting a BSOD now with TERA? If you're not getting the issue now with TERA, it's possible the issue you had is already fixed. If you are getting the issue now with TERA, you should send your diag and log info to EME in a ticket.

Talking in abstract at this point isn't going to change anything, regardless of how anyone feels about the program.

:s My point-> XIGNCODE-It's been 9 years of development and it's still a mess! That's a fact, not abstract! I can't believe that Wellbia's kernel drivers has not been fixed over the years! That's the problem!

TERA PC - General Discussion#441 Naru200806/20/2018, 10:00 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Let me get this straight even Kaspersky caused BSODs back in 2005 with it's kernel drivers. They fixed it!

XIGNCODE-It's been 9 years of development and it's still a mess!

Is EME/BHS helpful support passing forward to incompetent Wellbia doing something about these issues being fixed or not? Or even from any company?

Just to be clear... you mentioned before that you got a BSOD with a different game's implementation in the past. Are you actively getting a BSOD now with TERA? If you're not getting the issue now with TERA, it's possible the issue you had is already fixed. If you are getting the issue now with TERA, you should send your diag and log info to EME in a ticket.

Talking in abstract at this point isn't going to change anything, regardless of how anyone feels about the program.

:s My point-> XIGNCODE-It's been 9 years of development and it's still a mess! That's a fact, not abstract! I can't believe that Wellbia's kernel drivers have not been fixed over the years! That's the problem!

You think just because of a different game it will behave differently? You're the one being abstract! XIGNCODE IS XIGNCODE!

If XIGNCODE really cares about their ANTI-HACK Tool behaving properly, it would have been fixed by now! The only updates XIGNCODE has is being more intrusive!

So my question is why use it as an anti-hack tool? It's Wellbia that I'm mad at, not EME/BHS!

Majority of the community will state why they left is because XIGNCODE is intrusive, causes BSODs, and Wellbia doesn't even care to fix their problems. So my conclusion is replace it with something else or just get rid of it! People are going to cheat by bypassing it. So my recommendation was to go with server-client protection as a solution, which is always the best protection. I stated many of times! This is why I despise WELLBIA! I want to play again, but I'm not going through the mess of it being a legitimate player!

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So do me a favor-STOP TYPING, SO THAT EME/BHS CAN READ THROUGH THIS FORUM! IT'S DONE!

They constantly read through this forum, and who the hell are you to tell someone not to keep posting? Misty please do us all here a favor, and stop posting yourself. You're getting on everyone's last nerve, with your unintelligible tirades, conspiracy theories, etc. We've already proved you don't have an inkling of what you're talking about since myself and Counterpoint pointed our your whole 'EVEN GOOGLE KNOWS IT ISN'T SAFE!!!!!! REMOVE IT NOW!!!!!" bull, but you keep on typing up these novels of non-sense and assumptions. Please, just stop. How you're not banned for spamming your non-sense and trying to get people riled up is amazing.

TERA has been in development since 2011, and it is still a mess, and the developers continue to make more messes out of it. What's your point?

Not everyone who programs is competent enough to fix their issues, and sometimes it's a difficult fix that has a small window of reproduction. (Hence why the calendar is taking forever to be fixed.)

Misty, honestly, stop.
TERA PC - General Discussion#442 MistyTera06/20/2018, 10:04 PM
Stop throwing it out of proportion then! If you're fine, then good for you! Though something might happen? I fixed my own problems, but then again it happened later, after a month or so with XIGNCODE in the past. Every BSOD was linked to XIGNCODE, until I removed it from my system! SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE!
TERA PC - General Discussion#443 Thuking06/21/2018, 01:33 AM
Seems like alot of games are using these spyware now

but at least they know they were wrong and removed.
Thuking wrote: »
Seems like alot of games are using these spyware now

FWIW, Red Shell is entirely different type of software. Of course people can be equally against both, but they're not equivalent.
TERA PC - General Discussion#445 MistyTera06/21/2018, 02:47 AM
XIGNCODE BSOD in action! League Of Legends.
[video]


XIGNCODE BSOD in action! Black Desert Windows 10.
[video]

TERA PC - General Discussion#446 Minazuki06/21/2018, 03:53 AM
... Hey Misty, any up to date 2018 information?
All the proofs you posted are out dated... or it not even Tera, or files that xigncode3 Tera not using...
You are helping nothing but make those who really need help cant get what they need.
TERA PC - General Discussion#447 MistyTera06/21/2018, 05:29 AM
XIGNCODE is XIGNCODE. It's the same program. I posted a Closers link somewhere on forums, but I'll post again. May 29, 2018. Do you really believe that XIGNCODE is especially made for TERA, when it's still having hacks?https://forums.enmasse.com/closers/discussion/4624/bluescreen-of-death. Most likely today it's xcoronahost.xem that conflicts with kernal drivers. Xhunter1 doesn't exist anymore.
TERA PC - General Discussion#448 buffons06/21/2018, 06:36 AM
Seems like more and more people are quitting everyday, if not for this malware then it's because of EME's incompetence and unprofessionalism. Such a shame too, oh well newer games are coming out and there are still other good MMO's out there like GW2 or ESO \_("/)_/
TERA PC - General Discussion#449 Minazuki06/21/2018, 09:29 AM
MistyTera wrote: »
XIGNCODE is XIGNCODE. It's the same program. I posted a Closers link somewhere on forums, but I'll post again. May 29, 2018. Do you really believe that XIGNCODE is especially made for TERA, when it's still having hacks?https://forums.enmasse.com/closers/discussion/4624/bluescreen-of-death. Most likely today it's xcoronahost.xem that conflicts with kernal drivers or any kernal file. Xhunter1 doesn't exist anymore as far as I know it seems. According to the forum, it was a memory access violation.

Sad I cant find anything with that name in Tera's Xigncode folder or process, and when i search internet... BDO.
The person form you link getting help form other cause none on that post like you keep posting misinformation.
TERA PC - General Discussion#450 DeadX06/21/2018, 02:40 PM
@MistyTera
you are SERIOUSLY annoying, whine whine whine and dredge up edge cases that are NOT the norm but you try to paint them as if they WERE. i've had zero issues with xign and further i have dealt with a variety of anti-cheat/hack software in mmos. what causes issues more often than not? OTHER SOFTWARE/HARDWARE unique to the system. major secondary issues? people trying to get around the anti-cheat software.

i reiterate edge cases aren't the NORM kid...oh wait, i'm not being "nice" well that hasn't worked on you thus far since you seem intent on inciting a riot so how about this, show a CONSISTENT problem across ALL users THEN you have a case. as of right now you have nothing but your own panic.

further, xign like every other anti-cheat software DOES change constantly otherwise it becomes ineffective as new tools to circumvent it are introduced, updated to work with AV and anti-malware as well as operating systems and updates to the OS. so you don't even know what the [filtered] you're talking about.
Hi everyone (especially @MistyTera ),

Here I am! Reading the forums! How are you?

If you've been having any issues since the last patch, I'm sorry to hear that and I want to assure you that we're constantly working on performance improvements.

In terms on XIGNCODE specifically, most versions are different. We are working with Wellbia to optimize our version over time. For that to be most effective we need your feedback, so if you're having any specific (and especially consistent) issues submit a ticket. In the ticket page under Technical Support, we now have a specific XIGNCODE option.

I hope you all have a lovely day and enjoy the Summer Festival today at 2:30 (with absolutely no crabs)!
Hi @KitTeaCup, thanks for showing up after pages and pages of your customers asking you to. I'm sure we all appreciate it.

Did you ever find time in the days that you didn't respond to us to tell us why you didn't notify us in the first place that you were putting a rootkit on our systems?

Thanks!

(Also, still waiting on that fashion coupon update that was promised to us by @seandynamite in October of 2017. Thanks!)
TERA PC - General Discussion#453 TomRipley06/21/2018, 08:00 PM
Hi @KitTeaCup

yeah, I'm still having the issue of you not giving us any information regarding your implementation of xigncode. So I still have the game uninstalled. But don't worry, it's been so long by now and will probably be so much longer still until EME staff stops pretending to be in extended winter sleep regarding certain very specific issues, I've given up hope by now and moved on to other games. Good luck though with your remaining player base.
TERA PC - General Discussion#454 MistyTera06/21/2018, 08:57 PM
How can I be wrong?

Xigncode can cause a read access violation. This happens when a program tries to read a memory address it doesn't have access to (KERNAL FILES). The system throws an exception, and a handler will handle that exception.

Some computers are designed so that a program can't see specific values of another program that is running in memory. If a program tries to read a memory address that it doesn't have access to, the CPU will reject the request if the program isn't authorized to see the contents.

SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED error happens when a system thread generates an exception that an error handler fails to catch. Because this error went unnoticed, the computer threw up some red flags and decided to shut itself down to prevent any further damages. System Thread Exception Not Handled error in mostly arises due to incompatible drivers conflicting with each other.

An error handling block, also called an error handler, is a section of code to which execution is transferred via a On Error Goto : statement. This code should be designed either to fix the problem and resume execution in the main code block or to terminate execution of the procedure.

DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL-This indicates that a kernel-mode driver attempted to access page-able memory (meaning XIGNCODE) at a process IRQL that was too high. This Stop message indicates that a kernel-mode process or driver attempted to access a memory address to which it did not have permission to access. The most common cause of this error is an incorrect or corrupted pointer that references an incorrect location in memory. A pointer is a variable used by a program to refer to a block of memory. If the variable has an incorrect value in it, the program tries to access memory that it should not. When this occurs in a user-mode application, it generates an access violation. When it occurs in kernel mode, it generates a STOP 0x0000000A message. If you encounter this error while upgrading to a newer version of Windows, it might be caused by a device driver, a system service, a virus scanner, or a backup tool that is incompatible with the new version.

A memory access violation, also called a segmentation fault (or segfault), occurs when the program tries to access a memory location that doesn't exist, or is otherwise inaccessible. The driver is trying to access an illegal memory location. That memory is either non-existent or that driver isn't allowed to touch or access the contents to read. Meaning XIGNCODE has no permission to read the contents!

XIGNCODE tries to read and it's administrator privileges. I can't explain any better than that!

Lets just state that my computer is better protected, because XIGNCODE is trying to read kernel drivers, but permissions are blocking XIGNCODE from accessing the page contents in the code itself.

Out of all the times in the past with XIGNCODE-SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED is the one that mostly I had problems with XIGNCODE being on my computer. You can't do nothing about it! Not even WELLBIA! It's a security measure that I can't even change! So get rid of XIGNCODE PLEASE!

I can either keep on having BSOD or delete XIGNCODE files and it starts over on scan. Lasts for awhile to play game, but could cause a crash again later during the scan. I can't explain any better than that!
Hi good news everyone!

The troubleshooting FAQ is up check it out here http://support.enmasse.com/tera/troubleshooting-tips-for-xigncode3#Bypass your router

@buffons here it is :)
TERA PC - General Discussion#456 MistyTera06/21/2018, 10:29 PM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Hi good news everyone!

The troubleshooting FAQ is up check it out here http://support.enmasse.com/tera/troubleshooting-tips-for-xigncode3#Bypass your router

@buffons here it is :)

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Was this posted in wrong area of forums? :3 Actually setting DNS inputs from internet provider is better! Sorry KitTeaCup. I gamed a long time.
lol, im loving how they introduce a dangerous backdoor rootkit... and then on top of that are telling people now to bypass their router and expose their PCs directly to the internet.

May as well get fully compromised i guess, that XIGNCODE wasn't dangerous enough, lets open up all the ports on our pcs and let them all in! Guys we should email our IP addresses to china and let them know we aren't using firewalls anymore.

That FAQ advice is game of the year material.
TERA PC - General Discussion#458 Babbelsim06/21/2018, 10:32 PM
im laughing so hard right now...
TERA PC - General Discussion#459 MistyTera06/22/2018, 12:09 AM
DeadX wrote: »
@MistyTera
you are SERIOUSLY annoying, whine whine whine and dredge up edge cases that are NOT the norm but you try to paint them as if they WERE. i've had zero issues with xign and further i have dealt with a variety of anti-cheat/hack software in mmos. what causes issues more often than not? OTHER SOFTWARE/HARDWARE unique to the system. major secondary issues? people trying to get around the anti-cheat software.

i reiterate edge cases aren't the NORM kid...oh wait, i'm not being "nice" well that hasn't worked on you thus far since you seem intent on inciting a riot so how about this, show a CONSISTENT problem across ALL users THEN you have a case. as of right now you have nothing but your own panic.

further, xign like every other anti-cheat software DOES change constantly otherwise it becomes ineffective as new tools to circumvent it are introduced, updated to work with AV and anti-malware as well as operating systems and updates to the OS. so you don't even know what the [filtered] you're talking about.

Since your computer likes the source code from XIGNCODE. GOOD FOR YOU!
TERA PC - General Discussion#460 Xerses06/22/2018, 12:29 AM
KitTeaCup wrote: »
Hi good news everyone!

The troubleshooting FAQ is up check it out here http://support.enmasse.com/tera/troubleshooting-tips-for-xigncode3#Bypass your router

@buffons here it is :)

seriously?
Could we also get a list of things that XIGNCODE interferes with, including but not limited to:

- key rebinders
- anti-virus
- other games being open at the same time

This would help us give our point to them succinctly and directly.

Please provide video evidence or screenshots if possible!

Like to see you try to run League of legends the same time..... Good luck on that. Your crashes from league of legends multiply s with great significance
Elinu1 wrote: »
Could we also get a list of things that XIGNCODE interferes with, including but not limited to:

- key rebinders
- anti-virus
- other games being open at the same time

This would help us give our point to them succinctly and directly.

Does this mean that we can't multibox clients now? If so I am pretty annoyed I use a 2nd account to transfer names I have so I don't get sniped.

you've been able to run as many clients of tera as your pc can handle.... as long as you don't run it off of steam
And this xigncode i doubt is to prevent cheaters. Im sure theres an under line to it. This game profits among one thing that is obvious which is EMP. If they can isolate where people search/go on there pc and create ads to promote EMP well... You do the math.

You ever notice when you go to amazon or ebay and you search a specific item. The next few days on other websites you'll see ad's on the sides or w/e that are selling that item you searched... Its the same principal.
TL59C44K5K wrote: »
And this xigncode i doubt is to prevent cheaters. Im sure theres an under line to it. This game profits among one thing that is obvious which is EMP. If they can isolate where people search/go on there pc and create ads to promote EMP well... You do the math.

You ever notice when you go to amazon or ebay and you search a specific item. The next few days on other websites you'll see ad's on the sides or w/e that are selling that item you searched... Its the same principal.

FWIW, XIGNCODE doesn't do that. There are other programs that do, of course.
It logs what you do... It affects other games. sooo i'd like to see your proof or logic on what xign code obvisually does do....

All I know is more then 50% of tera players do not have it running on there pc while playing tera.

Also when tera released the notes that xign code was coming out that atleast 10% of the community quit playing tera pc and moved to console or quit tera all together.

Seriously who wants something that moniters what they do or have outside the client.... Theres a reason this xigncode is federally banned in some countries/continents
Who ever is controlling the community or trying to is micro managing it....

As self-employed citizens we call this briefcase managers/workers.
ive seen this happen before in one game i've sunk thousands into that tried to micro manage there community.

Called Anarchy Online.

They literally were a competition with World of warcraft for a few years even when it first came out. Then they started to micro manage it and it has legality gone to [filtered].

Created other games like EME has done. Redirected there attention to the newer games/consoles. Neglected the base console/game that they started with which created there empire.
TL59C44K5K wrote: »
It logs what you do... It affects other games. sooo i'd like to see your proof or logic on what xign code obvisually does do.... [...] Seriously who wants something that moniters what they do or have outside the client.... Theres a reason this xigncode is federally banned in some countries/continents

This has been discussed so many times ad nauseum over these 31 pages (and the long thread that preceded it) so going over it again isn't going to change your beliefs at this point. I don't think anyone "wants" it at all, but that doesn't mean it does what you're saying. And, FWIW, though, it's not "federally banned" in any country. (If you were trying to insinuate something about GDPR and EU, it's not banned there at all.)

TL59C44K5K wrote: »
Who ever is controlling the community or trying to is micro managing it....

I'm honestly not sure what you mean by "micro managing." (I'm honestly not sure how much I could call this community "managed," let alone micro-managed...)
Exactly what you just said....

Micro-managed is managing a company that actually the lower's are managing for you. Aka players. Providing merchandise while sitting on the sidelines and letting the players increase your profit.

Aka briefcase manager. A person that shows up to a jobsite and acts like they run the show however once a homeowner accepts a bid you will never see the owner of the company except to receive the check upon completion.
Last thing i got to say is...

There destroying there community over profit. Why? Because there is never and will never be a future in one game. The ammount of games that are being created per year are multiplying by the hundreds. However single people keep dropping 10's of thousands into this game with there hard earned money.

Doesn't make a lick of sense to me.
TL59C44K5K wrote: »
Micro-managed is managing a company that actually the lower's are managing for you. Aka players. Providing merchandise while sitting on the sidelines and letting the players increase your profit.

To be perfectly honest, this is actually the complete opposite of what "micro-managing" usually means when you hear the term. Usually micro-managing means a manager who is very controlling of their employees and basically injects themselves into every decision their subordinates make, overriding the employee's autonomy and decision-making, which suggests a lack of trust. What you're talking about is more like... I'm not sure, "laissez faire" management? Disengaged management? That said, I'm not too sure how that connects exactly with the XIGNCODE situation either, as this may well have been a decision passed down from on-high. Anyway, a bit of a side-topic, I guess.
TERA PC - General Discussion#472 ElinUsagi06/22/2018, 02:34 AM
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TL59C44K5K wrote: »
Could we also get a list of things that XIGNCODE interferes with, including but not limited to:

- key rebinders
- anti-virus
- other games being open at the same time

This would help us give our point to them succinctly and directly.

Please provide video evidence or screenshots if possible!

Like to see you try to run League of legends the same time..... Good luck on that. Your crashes from league of legends multiply s with great significance

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TERA PC - General Discussion#473 Xerses06/22/2018, 06:01 AM
how to spot a weeb
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Xerses wrote: »
how to spot a weeb
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And the one who knows what those are to point them out. :p
TERA PC - General Discussion#475 Xerses06/22/2018, 11:35 AM
Xerses wrote: »
how to spot a weeb
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And the one who knows what those are to point them out. :p

But oppa, I'm more Koreaboo. Weeaboo too mainstream
TERA PC - General Discussion#476 MistyTera06/22/2018, 05:12 PM
Xerses wrote: »

But oppa, I'm more Koreaboo. Weeaboo too mainstream

Oppa is a term that is used in Korean by a girl to call a man who is older than her. You people don't know anything, if you're all guys! It's called Google!



TERA PC - General Discussion#477 MistyTera06/22/2018, 06:49 PM
I HAD ENOUGH EME/BHS (SERVER-CLIENT PROTECTION IS YOUR WIN AGAINST HACKERS!)

Because DRAGONNEST lost two years worth of data. Was it hacked? It seems like it was! They lost 95% of their player base! They use XIGNCODE! So lets get something straight to the facts. XIGNCODE IS TRASH!

https://www.geek.com/games/dragon-nest-mmo-loses-two-years-of-player-data-1647052/

Hackers have bypassed TERA, which we have been stating MANY OF TIMES! It's going to happen one day and LOL Dragon-nest still use XIGNCODE. I don't know, but what the community is stating here, we are the sane ones! SERVER-CLIENT PROTECTION is your solution!

For petes sake EME/BHS needs protection that detects hacks, not intrusive searching on people's computers!
TERA PC - General Discussion#478 MistyTera06/23/2018, 07:13 PM
So any feedback or anything? Or is EME/BHS just going to lose player base, because people can't play within 30 minutes of XIGNCODE conflicting with kernel drivers! THAT'S MY PROBLEM! It has always been my problem with XIGNCODE! I just tried it!
That's your problem ^
Writing it here wont help you and wont change fact that it was implemented.
TERA PC - General Discussion#480 kubitoid06/23/2018, 10:55 PM
rip this thread. ty misty lad, cute paladin :s
TERA PC - General Discussion#481 MistyTera06/24/2018, 02:03 AM
I tried :( it's true though. I get access violation by XIGNCODE incompatible drivers conflicting with my kernel drivers during the scan. It happened so many times, why put up with it again?Please keep my characters eme/bhs! Some day. I feel like a tossed puppy on the road.
MistyTera wrote: »
I tried :( it's true though. I get access violation by XIGNCODE incompatible drivers conflicting with my kernel drivers during the scan. It happened so many times, why put up with it again?Please keep my characters eme/bhs! Some day. I feel like a tossed puppy on the road, because I don't know what's being done to fix these issues? I have an ASUS and this video is not mine. Just shows the experience of XIGNCODE being intrusive.

Nothing is "being done to fix these issues" by you posting about it here. All you can do is try sending a ticket with your diag and XINCODE log info.
TERA PC - General Discussion#483 MistyTera06/24/2018, 02:37 AM
pfft yeah...
TERA PC - General Discussion#484 Xerses06/24/2018, 09:23 AM
MistyTera wrote: »
Xerses wrote: »

But oppa, I'm more Koreaboo. Weeaboo too mainstream

Oppa is a term that is used in Korean by a girl to call a man who is older than her. You people don't know anything, if you're all guys! It's called Google!



Thanks captain obvious.....majority of us don't need google to know what oppa is
Can we still dual account for crafting and other stuff? I remember seeing something about xingcode not allowing dual account.

It would be silly to get red flagged for something so simple that we did ever since nexus days some four years ago or more..
TERA PC - General Discussion#486 MistyTera06/24/2018, 01:38 PM
I doubt it. Just use two accounts. Just can't have two accounts open at same time on same computer.
TERA PC - General Discussion#487 MistyTera06/24/2018, 01:48 PM
Xerses wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Xerses wrote: »

But oppa, I'm more Koreaboo. Weeaboo too mainstream

Oppa is a term that is used in Korean by a girl to call a man who is older than her. You people don't know anything, if you're all guys! It's called Google!



Thanks captain obvious.....majority of us don't need google to know what oppa is

Well, um if you're all guys? It didn't make sense. Anyways it got off topic back there. It's cool, just stay on topic. We are trying to solve problems with XIGNCODE, so that EME/BHS know what to fix, and help people play again. If you're fine, why post? If you have issues with XIGNCODE, PLEASE post your issues.
TERA PC - General Discussion#488 ElinUsagi06/24/2018, 02:07 PM
MistyTera wrote: »
Xerses wrote: »
MistyTera wrote: »
Xerses wrote: »

But oppa, I'm more Koreaboo. Weeaboo too mainstream

Oppa is a term that is used in Korean by a girl to call a man who is older than her. You people don't know anything, if you're all guys! It's called Google!



Thanks captain obvious.....majority of us don't need google to know what oppa is

Well, um if you're all guys? It didn't make sense. Anyways it got off topic back there. It's cool, just stay on topic. We are trying to solve problems with XIGNCODE, so that EME/BHS know what to fix, and help people play again. If you're fine, why post? If you have issues with XIGNCODE, PLEASE post your issues.

EME already told in this thread to send a support ticket. Posting your issues on this thread would only be a waste of time.
TERA PC - General Discussion#489 MistyTera06/24/2018, 02:57 PM
Spreading the issues is one thing, but if support gives me a hard time, then how can I play again? I'm sorry, but I feel tossed around. I expected better, however that seems long gone. I'm going give one more shot to support with better clarification of what's happening. Players can't play the with XIGNCODE conflicting with kernel drivers! It shouldn't be so intrusive!
MistyTera eme already ended this talk. There is no "we" and no "tries to solve it". Try to understand that you just making air tremple and nothing more. And doing it long time almost alone here as I see. They already implemented it and trying to make it done to the end. I doubt you understand that there s literally no one of eme reads your arguments and digs this thread in order to understand- did they right or not?it was done already. This and their quite indifferent responses show well that they don't care of your storm here and strongly think that they are right.
You can post your issues here but its not a thread for personal issues. There is support on the site and there people solve their troubles. Every week community trying to get response about things that bother many players and yet we fail because eme doesn't care of community. You believe you will be successful?don't be so naive.
Pls don't act like we all here center of eme's universe.
I disagree with implementing this crap as I lost my friends but I also against such strong pushing of your view of things here as this thread stopped being constructive very long time ago. This was a good thread and it drowned in caps lock, posts without straight arguments and saint wrath of all who thinks that their opinion has some value to eme.
TERA PC - General Discussion#491 Christin06/24/2018, 04:35 PM
Just accept it already! EME doesn't care about your computers, they don't care about the safety or your data, and they have no interest in protecting you from viruses or whatever. All EME cares about is EME. They are NEVER going to get rid of XINGCODE! It is here to stay. You either install it and do whatever with it or you leave the game. EME will pretend to care by making you submit ticket after ticket to "educate" them on whatever problems you're having, but honestly, if your SSD is trashed or you get BSOD's, don't expect EME to send you a check.

If you're so attached to the game that you'll risk your computer system, SSD and whatever, you get what you get. You knew this Xingcode was intrusive and plenty of horror stories were shared before you installed it. You were given plenty of warnings. I get that people have invested a lot of money into the game, however, how does that compare to the money you're invested in your system or the data on that system? If you've invested so much cash into the game, that you're willing to risk everything, I hope the gamble pays off. If not, here's a big "We told you so!"

Just another reminder why it's never smart to invest loads of cash in a foreign game. If you must invest in games, pick the ones governed by the US or Europe. At least if something does go wrong, you know that you'll have some type of recourse. I know it's tough to walk away, but sometimes, you just have to be strong enough to say, "Enough is enough!"
TERA PC - General Discussion#492 MistyTera06/24/2018, 10:41 PM
I'm taking care of it by support! I'm trying to help everyone and myself that are having issues, so we can play Tera again!
TERA PC - General Discussion#493 Zoknahal06/24/2018, 10:56 PM
33 pages of this and still no satisfactory answer from EME other than vague comments. XIGNCODE is here to stay indeed, if EME is this oblivious to the players having lots of issues with this, and since the time they completely ignored a more than 40 pages thread that was against XIGNCODE.

But i have to give applause to @MistyTera , for in this sea of hate and nonsense, he/she stands alone trying his/her best to come to a solution for everyone in the community, even if his/her words fall on the deaf ears of EME, at least, this person is trying to deal with the problem, instead of joining the "Anti XIGNCODE I quit TERA" bandwagon.

Forums have been pretty silent too ever since EME decided to ditch the forums, for the official EME discord. Now all news are shared there before than the official Forums, and finding something in there is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Instead, they send @counterpoint to work as the scapegoat, so they do not have to deal with the massive response of the playerbase.

Props to @MistyTera
Sorry for poor @counterpoint for being used this way.

@SingleBear @seandynamite @CobaltDragon @Denommenator @KitTeaCup The community spoke. Are you listening? If you arent, then you best start now before it gets much worse than what already is.
I'm about to get a new computer and I'm worried xigncode trash my ssd. All my previous pcs only had hdds so I have no idea what to expect since I'm getting an ssd for the first time. :S After seeing several people say it trashed their ssds it's a bit worrisome to install tera on an expensive new laptop.
TERA PC - General Discussion#495 MistyTera06/25/2018, 01:33 AM
Note to self...Use @ to get people's attention.
TERA PC - General Discussion#496 voidy06/25/2018, 01:35 AM
Meningitis wrote: »
I'm about to get a new computer and I'm worried xigncode trash my ssd. All my previous pcs only had hdds so I have no idea what to expect since I'm getting an ssd for the first time. :S After seeing several people say it trashed their ssds it's a bit worrisome to install tera on an expensive new laptop.

I kinda thought the SSD claims were overblown at first, until I found actual cases of it happening to people on reddit, and then of course you had the case where it happened to someone here (who was told, hilariously, to submit his issue to wellbia as if wellbia gives a [filtered]). I played BDO for years. BDO uses xigncode. I have an ssd. My ssd is fine. Other people's, not so much apparently. It's scary that it just comes down to luck, but like the other guy said it's a risk you either choose to take or not.

That being said, you can literally google "tera xigncode bypass" and not have to deal with it at all, because that's how terrible xigncode is.
I already have BDO on my computer with xigncode an used to have BnS who ha the worst anti-cheat from ncsoft.

It is sad we got to deal with a bad anticheat, but I guess it isn't as bad as ncsoft's anticheat.
I've stopped logging in, I'm well aware EME doesn't give a crap and is completely content with having a bad reputation. AS for the person above that said we had plenty of warning about Xigncode being installed, The warning of it only came a few hours before the patch was launched. Many of us don't follow the other versions of Tera. I've never played another game with it, because I'm pretty selective, and don't have a lot of time for games. Honestly since my SSD died, and I stopped playing I've had a much more productive life. I repaired an old Sega Saturn that I had laying around that stopped reading discs and now I'm enjoying some retro gaming. Finally got around to picking up a music theory book and playing guitar again. Started drawing again and remembering I had a life outside Tera.

My interest in EME and their games has been decreasing over time with each bit of content cut from the game, with each locked class, with each recycled dungeon over and over again. This game is no where near as fun as it used to be, and it's nothing more than a maintenance mode. korean RNG cash grab now. It's everything they swore up and down that it'd never be. It's a very hollow shell of the game that got me to stop playing W.o.W 6 years ago. It's begun to feel like an abusive one sided relationship, and I've grown tired of it. TBH I haven't missed playing it as much as I thought I would, and the summers only just begun. I've got a stack of console games I've never even opened, so I'll get my gaming fix from them and enjoy my rejuvenated enjoyment of the arts. I doubt it, but if EME ever smartens up then I might check it out again, but honestly I'm ready to move on. I've invested a couple grand in to this game over the past 6 years, they've gotten my money and thus don't give a crap. I come to the forums from time to time just to see what they've been doing to the game, but I'm still highly reluctant to log in to the game on principal.

Xigncode is remarkably easy to bypass altogether and play anyway, but I don't want to jump through hoops to enjoy a game. I've already lost one SSD to it and I refuse even the slightest chance to do it a second time. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
TERA PC - General Discussion#499 Melyodis06/25/2018, 05:22 PM
@KitTeaCup PLZ its time to close this thread we will submit tickets if we have problems.
I just cancelled my 3+ year elite subscription and refuse to log in any more (or spend any more) until they remove XIGN.
TERA PC - General Discussion#501 Christin06/26/2018, 05:04 AM
Melyodis wrote: »
@KitTeaCup PLZ its time to close this thread we will submit tickets if we have problems.

Who are you to dictate when threads will be closed?
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It physically hurts them when people criticise eme, that would be the only explanation.
Jeez......i was about to come back to play tera and get myself an elite subscription but when i heard about XIGNCODE crap......i won't ever thing ever of coming back to this trash game goodbye forever and may EME burn.
TERA PC - General Discussion#504 kubitoid06/26/2018, 06:57 AM
Christin wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
@KitTeaCup PLZ its time to close this thread we will submit tickets if we have problems.

Who are you to dictate when threads will be closed?
i agree 439% but mistypaladin flooded topic with their crazy herecy so most likely itll be closed. sooner than later
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Agree too. Thread stopped being constructive.
TERA PC - General Discussion#506 Melyodis06/26/2018, 02:24 PM
Christin wrote: »
Melyodis wrote: »
@KitTeaCup PLZ its time to close this thread we will submit tickets if we have problems.

Who are you to dictate when threads will be closed?

All I see is salt salt salt well leave already say bye bye and done you know how long you said you leaving and you still here am sure you still playing tera and here talking rubbish xign is here to stay until whenever. Continuing to bad talk will not make them change their minds. Which they can't BHS is the developer they run things and so many people are still playing tera. So if you have a problem submit a ticket and keep your salt to yourself.
TERA PC - General Discussion#507 MistyTera06/26/2018, 04:23 PM
@kubitoid I stated many of times why XIGNCODE causes issues for some people. It's not belief! It's incompatibility of XIGNCODE trying to read the kernel drivers; memory access violation. If you don't understand how anti-viruses work, it works exactly the same with XIGNCODE. Also when BSOD evidence is linked to XIGNCODE files with kernel system files. Jeez how blind are you? It took me while to make clarification, but I figured it out!
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