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TERA PC - General Discussion: To many Tanks!?
So , I entered a level 44 dungeon and the party was composed of nothing but tanks. 2 Lancers and 3 Brawlers.

The last post on December claimed there weren't enough tanks. Is this really true?

Or is healing and DPS less common in PVE?
IM will always put one healer in a group. You did not get 5 tanks through IM.
It's because male brawler just got released so there's a leveling event and everyone is leveling one. Tanks are still desired and needed at endgame, especially good tanks.
There's a bigger amount of healers than usual from what I've noticed, altho not while leveling.
1) The system will not make an IMS group without a healer. You either entered manually from outside the dungeon with people on yours server or you are 100% lying.

2) The system looks for 1 healer, then 4 of anything else. It depends on what else is seeking on the other 4 servers. It can put 4 dps, or 4 lancers. It just depends on who is available.

3) At 65 there are not enough tanks. If you are a good tank, you will be wanted, trust me on that.
1) The system will not make an IMS group without a healer. You either entered manually from outside the dungeon with people on yours server or you are 100% lying.

2) The system looks for 1 healer, then 4 of anything else. It depends on what else is seeking on the other 4 servers. It can put 4 dps, or 4 lancers. It just depends on who is available.

3) At 65 there are not enough tanks. If you are a good tank, you will be wanted, trust me on that.

ACTUALLLYYYYYY

It will IMS match to people that are all tanks more often than not I will get a message saying " We are having trouble matching you would you like to match without a tank,dps,healer" if you click continue it will pull in whoever is in the matchmaking at that time. How do I know? Because I as a DPS have been put into groups with no healer and nothing but male brawlers.
TERA PC - General Discussion#6 Elinu103/25/2018, 10:46 PM
I think OP is lying.
1) The system will not make an IMS group without a healer. You either entered manually from outside the dungeon with people on yours server or you are 100% lying.

2) The system looks for 1 healer, then 4 of anything else. It depends on what else is seeking on the other 4 servers. It can put 4 dps, or 4 lancers. It just depends on who is available.

3) At 65 there are not enough tanks. If you are a good tank, you will be wanted, trust me on that.

ACTUALLLYYYYYY

It will IMS match to people that are all tanks more often than not I will get a message saying " We are having trouble matching you would you like to match without a tank,dps,healer" if you click continue it will pull in whoever is in the matchmaking at that time. How do I know? Because I as a DPS have been put into groups with no healer and nothing but male brawlers.

So they changed this recently to also allow no healer, before it was only no tank or DPS, but healer was mandatory regardless, also only for leveling dungeons.

They could have extended it to allow no healer as well for leveling dungeons and not announced in patch notes (not gonna bother to check), ya know, some times even EME has to check manually a lot of stuff that BHS doesn't say for whatever the reason.

OR OP just miscounted it. It's not like he was counting your salary, don't get too hard on it guys (not to you Midoku), it just happens to confuse it.
OR... OP could have entered a party and it was just tanks. Nothing too important, but well: answering to you OP, we just had male brawler so that's why, when female brawler came it was the same, Valkyrie and Ninja too made full DPS (+ healer) parties back then, I think even Elin Gunner had the same effect. New shiny toy on the box, that's it.
3) At 65 there are not enough tanks. If you are a good tank, you will be wanted, trust me on that.

ACTUALLLYYYYYY

It will IMS match to people that are all tanks more often than not I will get a message saying " We are having trouble matching you would you like to match without a tank,dps,healer" if you click continue it will pull in whoever is in the matchmaking at that time. How do I know? Because I as a DPS have been put into groups with no healer and nothing but male brawlers.

I could be wrong. I’m not that experienced. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t a mystic as the pets are hard to miss. Could there have been a priest who was meleeing instead of healing? Even with cosmetics Lancers are hard to miss. I guess Its a possibility that one of the elin was a priest.

But to go after #3. Are there not enough tanks or are there not enough good tanks?

How can you get no healer with IM? When the healer backs out after being called.

Boy, this forum is toxic.
Hilltrot wrote: »
But to go after #3. Are there not enough tanks or are there not enough good tanks?

How can you get no healer with IM? When the healer backs out after being called.

Boy, this forum is toxic.

A lot of people say that "good" tanks are needed without really clarifying what "good" means in this context. Furthermore, the community at large doesn't like (or like to accommodate) a new player being new, asking questions, and so on; many people give the impression that one should know the proper information beforehand otherwise you're wasting literally everyone's time, including your own.

Do enjoy your stay! We have elin-shaped cookies in the back - have as many as you want! :)
Also, are you sure this was through the IMS? The IMS usually pull up whatever combination is available but there will always be a support/healer class present.
Hilltrot wrote: »
Boy, this forum is toxic.
Welcome to the internet kiddo.

1) The system will not make an IMS group without a healer. You either entered manually from outside the dungeon with people on yours server or you are 100% lying.

2) The system looks for 1 healer, then 4 of anything else. It depends on what else is seeking on the other 4 servers. It can put 4 dps, or 4 lancers. It just depends on who is available.

3) At 65 there are not enough tanks. If you are a good tank, you will be wanted, trust me on that.

ACTUALLLYYYYYY

It will IMS match to people that are all tanks more often than not I will get a message saying " We are having trouble matching you would you like to match without a tank,dps,healer" if you click continue it will pull in whoever is in the matchmaking at that time. How do I know? Because I as a DPS have been put into groups with no healer and nothing but male brawlers.

[X] Doubt, that message is only when the system finds a healer and wants to know if you care if there's a tank or multiple tanks...anything that fills the queue.
SageWindu wrote: »
Hilltrot wrote: »
But to go after #3. Are there not enough tanks or are there not enough good tanks?

How can you get no healer with IM? When the healer backs out after being called.

Boy, this forum is toxic.

A lot of people say that "good" tanks are needed without really clarifying what "good" means in this context. Furthermore, the community at large doesn't like (or like to accommodate) a new player being new, asking questions, and so on; many people give the impression that one should know the proper information beforehand otherwise you're wasting literally everyone's time, including your own.

Do enjoy your stay! We have elin-shaped cookies in the back - have as many as you want! :)

"Good" = Holding Aggro, providing all your support at appropriate times (depends on the tank), enraging at appropriate times (usually matches your support), Blocking/iframing heavy attacks (in advanced groups you'll actually facetank the minor attacks), Moving to block attacks to allow more dps from the DPS (example: the pushback on second boss in RK, you jump to the jump to block for the DPS so they dont have to iframe), providing a decent DPS output (once again depends on your class).

This community is the same as about every MMO, just sayin'. It all depends who you run into. A lot of people have the mindset that they've learned on their own so they want to play with other people who have experience as well and have a smooth experience. Teaching or running with someone new or inexperienced can affect someones short time schedule when they themselves already know how to do the content. However you can also run into people who are more than happy to assist someone learning or new, given they're open to learning and aren't just going to stay silent and continue on their merry way.
TERA PC - General Discussion#13 ElinLove03/26/2018, 01:00 AM
Hilltrot wrote: »
3) At 65 there are not enough tanks. If you are a good tank, you will be wanted, trust me on that.

ACTUALLLYYYYYY

It will IMS match to people that are all tanks more often than not I will get a message saying " We are having trouble matching you would you like to match without a tank,dps,healer" if you click continue it will pull in whoever is in the matchmaking at that time. How do I know? Because I as a DPS have been put into groups with no healer and nothing but male brawlers.

I could be wrong. I’m not that experienced. I’m pretty sure there wasn’t a mystic as the pets are hard to miss. Could there have been a priest who was meleeing instead of healing? Even with cosmetics Lancers are hard to miss. I guess Its a possibility that one of the elin was a priest.

But to go after #3. Are there not enough tanks or are there not enough good tanks?

How can you get no healer with IM? When the healer backs out after being called.

Boy, this forum is toxic.

1st paragraph: at Lv 44 the Mystic may not be using his thralls properly (or at all), nor even dropping motes. Same with a Priest, at this level you're bound to find 1st time players that are just DPSing their way through and not doing a single heal skill. Yes, people can be that bad without knowing, worse even, knowing it.

2nd one: as of now, there may just not be enough good tanks, but quantity wise the average/bad ones are in loads right now. They also may not be well geared for the higher end content, you'll see that this forum pretty much only cares about the highest tier dungeons, regardless of the playerbase itself caring as much about it or liking more the middle tier stuff at Lv 65. Also as said above, good tank means a whole lot to be fair. Positioning of yourself and boss, avoiding/blocking hits to not eat damage, debuff boss/buff party, keeping aggro (most important of all in my opinion, even as a main healer), some people will even want the "good tank" to be a high part of the DPS.

3rd: Dunno if it changed to allow no healer, could have changed to that. And also as far as I know, you cannot get another DPS/tank if a healer drops from IM and you recruit again. Could be wrong, need confirmation.

4th: heh, this one is not nearly as toxic. Just someone triggered by the 5 tanks thing, bad day moments I assume hehe.
If you wanna see toxicity, get into any topic about DPS meter/proxy. You could do a drinking game: take a shot every time you read the word "white knight" or "cheater". You'll enter alcoholic coma in no time at all. OR enter some elin hating topic and you shall see it from me
Partyblast wrote: »
1) The system will not make an IMS group without a healer. You either entered manually from outside the dungeon with people on yours server or you are 100% lying.

2) The system looks for 1 healer, then 4 of anything else. It depends on what else is seeking on the other 4 servers. It can put 4 dps, or 4 lancers. It just depends on who is available.

3) At 65 there are not enough tanks. If you are a good tank, you will be wanted, trust me on that.

ACTUALLLYYYYYY

It will IMS match to people that are all tanks more often than not I will get a message saying " We are having trouble matching you would you like to match without a tank,dps,healer" if you click continue it will pull in whoever is in the matchmaking at that time. How do I know? Because I as a DPS have been put into groups with no healer and nothing but male brawlers.

[X] Doubt, that message is only when the system finds a healer and wants to know if you care if there's a tank or multiple tanks...anything that fills the queue.
SageWindu wrote: »
Hilltrot wrote: »
But to go after #3. Are there not enough tanks or are there not enough good tanks?

How can you get no healer with IM? When the healer backs out after being called.

Boy, this forum is toxic.

A lot of people say that "good" tanks are needed without really clarifying what "good" means in this context. Furthermore, the community at large doesn't like (or like to accommodate) a new player being new, asking questions, and so on; many people give the impression that one should know the proper information beforehand otherwise you're wasting literally everyone's time, including your own.

Do enjoy your stay! We have elin-shaped cookies in the back - have as many as you want! :)

"Good" = Holding Aggro, providing all your support at appropriate times (depends on the tank), enraging at appropriate times (usually matches your support), Blocking/iframing heavy attacks (in advanced groups you'll actually facetank the minor attacks), Moving to block attacks to allow more dps from the DPS (example: the pushback on second boss in RK, you jump to the jump to block for the DPS so they dont have to iframe), providing a decent DPS output (once again depends on your class).

This community is the same as about every MMO, just sayin'. It all depends who you run into. A lot of people have the mindset that they've learned on their own so they want to play with other people who have experience as well and have a smooth experience. Teaching or running with someone new or inexperienced can affect someones short time schedule when they themselves already know how to do the content. However you can also run into people who are more than happy to assist someone learning or new, given they're open to learning and aren't just going to stay silent and continue on their merry way.

Doubt me all you want, I could care less what your opinion is I was leveling my Ninja and got in with all Brawlers. Went fine, no one died. Don't know if I got pulled into something already in progress or not but regardless there I was on a ninja alone with 4 brawlers it happens.
Partyblast wrote: »
1) The system will not make an IMS group without a healer. You either entered manually from outside the dungeon with people on yours server or you are 100% lying.

2) The system looks for 1 healer, then 4 of anything else. It depends on what else is seeking on the other 4 servers. It can put 4 dps, or 4 lancers. It just depends on who is available.

3) At 65 there are not enough tanks. If you are a good tank, you will be wanted, trust me on that.

ACTUALLLYYYYYY

It will IMS match to people that are all tanks more often than not I will get a message saying " We are having trouble matching you would you like to match without a tank,dps,healer" if you click continue it will pull in whoever is in the matchmaking at that time. How do I know? Because I as a DPS have been put into groups with no healer and nothing but male brawlers.

[X] Doubt, that message is only when the system finds a healer and wants to know if you care if there's a tank or multiple tanks...anything that fills the queue.
SageWindu wrote: »
Hilltrot wrote: »
But to go after #3. Are there not enough tanks or are there not enough good tanks?

How can you get no healer with IM? When the healer backs out after being called.

Boy, this forum is toxic.

A lot of people say that "good" tanks are needed without really clarifying what "good" means in this context. Furthermore, the community at large doesn't like (or like to accommodate) a new player being new, asking questions, and so on; many people give the impression that one should know the proper information beforehand otherwise you're wasting literally everyone's time, including your own.

Do enjoy your stay! We have elin-shaped cookies in the back - have as many as you want! :)

"Good" = Holding Aggro, providing all your support at appropriate times (depends on the tank), enraging at appropriate times (usually matches your support), Blocking/iframing heavy attacks (in advanced groups you'll actually facetank the minor attacks), Moving to block attacks to allow more dps from the DPS (example: the pushback on second boss in RK, you jump to the jump to block for the DPS so they dont have to iframe), providing a decent DPS output (once again depends on your class).

This community is the same as about every MMO, just sayin'. It all depends who you run into. A lot of people have the mindset that they've learned on their own so they want to play with other people who have experience as well and have a smooth experience. Teaching or running with someone new or inexperienced can affect someones short time schedule when they themselves already know how to do the content. However you can also run into people who are more than happy to assist someone learning or new, given they're open to learning and aren't just going to stay silent and continue on their merry way.

Doubt me all you want, I could care less what your opinion is I was leveling my Ninja and got in with all Brawlers. Went fine, no one died. Don't know if I got pulled into something already in progress or not but regardless there I was on a ninja alone with 4 brawlers it happens.

No need to doubt you, a few weeks ago I was queved with 4 brawlers and I was a brawler so we were 5 brawlers xD.

The message when IM is taking longer to complete a party clearly ask if you are ok being matched with a party that lacks support/tank/dps class.
TERA PC - General Discussion#16 Equitas03/26/2018, 01:44 AM
I've had some interesting party compositions throughout my time on TERA. There have always been enough healers available for me to have never gone without one, but I don't want to rule out the possibility of a party being matched without a healer. I'll even go so far as to say it wouldn't surprise me.
because male brawler is new (or simply because with male brawler come 14 days free Elite Status if you can level male brawler to 40). but, that doesn't mean brawler always tank, so many brawler build as DPS as well
because male brawler is new (or simply because with male brawler come 14 days free Elite Status if you can level male brawler to 40). but, that doesn't mean brawler always tank, so many brawler build as DPS as well

At level 65 you can't IM as a dps with a brawler because the system will put you as a tank.

The option to make parties throught IM without tank, healer or dps is exclusive for dungeons below level 65 requirements.
Partyblast wrote: »
"Good" = Holding Aggro, providing all your support at appropriate times (depends on the tank), enraging at appropriate times (usually matches your support), Blocking/iframing heavy attacks (in advanced groups you'll actually facetank the minor attacks), Moving to block attacks to allow more dps from the DPS (example: the pushback on second boss in RK, you jump to the jump to block for the DPS so they dont have to iframe), providing a decent DPS output (once again depends on your class).

I know this will inevitably lead to the infamous "skilled v. unskilled" debate, but that to me is just the tank doing their job. Hell, I'm happy if the tank in question just knows how being a tank works.

Most of us know about the stigma surrounding brawlers. Hopefully that cleared up some once the men started throwing on the gauntlets.

SageWindu wrote: »
Partyblast wrote: »
"Good" = Holding Aggro, providing all your support at appropriate times (depends on the tank), enraging at appropriate times (usually matches your support), Blocking/iframing heavy attacks (in advanced groups you'll actually facetank the minor attacks), Moving to block attacks to allow more dps from the DPS (example: the pushback on second boss in RK, you jump to the jump to block for the DPS so they dont have to iframe), providing a decent DPS output (once again depends on your class).

I know this will inevitably lead to the infamous "skilled v. unskilled" debate, but that to me is just the tank doing their job. Hell, if I'm being honest, I'm happy if the tank in question just knows how being a tank works.

Most of us know about the stigma surrounding brawlers. Hopefully that cleared up some once the men started throwing on the gauntlets.

I am just happy if tanks can keep their agro, that's the only thing that annoys me from tanks with max top tier gear and can't hold properly the agro from players with less item level than them (not even using premium consumables).
SageWindu wrote: »
Partyblast wrote: »
"Good" = Holding Aggro, providing all your support at appropriate times (depends on the tank), enraging at appropriate times (usually matches your support), Blocking/iframing heavy attacks (in advanced groups you'll actually facetank the minor attacks), Moving to block attacks to allow more dps from the DPS (example: the pushback on second boss in RK, you jump to the jump to block for the DPS so they dont have to iframe), providing a decent DPS output (once again depends on your class).

I know this will inevitably lead to the infamous "skilled v. unskilled" debate, but that to me is just the tank doing their job. Hell, if I'm being honest, I'm happy if the tank in question just knows how being a tank works.

Most of us know about the stigma surrounding brawlers. Hopefully that cleared up some once the men started throwing on the gauntlets.

Sadly there are a lot of tanks that just think the first point is all that matters, and while holding aggro and damage dealing should go hand in hand they might not even be putting out a decent amount of dps.

I also don't see how the class opening up to males changes anything...but sure.
Partyblast wrote: »
I also don't see how the class opening up to males changes anything...but sure.

I'm... not saying it is. I'm saying that hopefully, once that particular class finally was offered to the male side, the stigma surrounding brawlers had cleared up by then. Did it? I don't know as I don't play as much these days, but I hope it did.

TERA PC - General Discussion#23 voidy03/26/2018, 06:12 AM
Being a tank main is absolute suffering without a loyal static or at the very least a pocket healer. There're tons of tanks and a party only ever needs one, so an idiot could work out the conclusion: lots of tanks get left out. I hope you have a DPS alt ready to regularly switch to. In fact, the general willingness to take *any* tank flies in the face of this notion that people care about quality among their tanks. I see terrible tanks getting frequent runs, even when people complain about them afterwards, while actual decent tanks will log in, see that the tank slots are all full, and log out for the evening. I actually know a guy who does this all the time, complains about this awful tank in stormcry gear who can't hold aggro, yet he runs with him constantly. Can't for the life of me understand why he doesn't just invite the laundry list of bored/good tanks with nothing to do, but there you have it.

I didn't mean to rant. TLDR get friends or your experience will suck. Take it with a grain of salt when people say there's a tank scarcity. If anything there's a scarcity of GOOD DPS for all these timed/shield-phase dungeon mechanics.
TERA PC - General Discussion#24 aeee9803/26/2018, 10:27 AM
I still get sub 3 min queues on low/mid IMS runs as a tank as of today outside of a few occasions.

LFG-wise it really depends on how famous you are. If you have good reputation, your party fills up really quickly. If you are a nobody you won't get far regardless of your gear or role.

As for OP saying 5 tanks in IMS pre 65, it is impossible. There was a bug I have seen in Velik's Hold (7man instance) in the past that didn't include me as a player when I was tanking, and pulled in a second tank, thus there were a total of 8 people in the dungeon, but in 5 man parties, there is no opportunity to get this bug due to party limitations (if that happened the entire party would likely get a memory leak and forceshut). You can however get 4 (tanks + dps) and 1 healer, making healer queues the fastest while levelling.
TERA PC - General Discussion#25 Lapomko03/26/2018, 11:52 AM
Theres alot of tank mains that never get asked because theres many better tanks out there that would be a better pick.
It's not about holding aggro anymore these days as a tank. It's how much damage you can do and buff up-time thanks to dps meters. Tanks that hold aggro but deal low dps get left out so again you have to be really skilled/top tier tank to be always picked. Good luck as a new player with the hardest role to master.

And the funny thing is my static always have hard time getting a capable dps so we have to cross-que with friends from TR/MT to get a run going thanks to the DPS check/shield.



TERA PC - General Discussion#26 voidy03/26/2018, 07:15 PM
Lapomko wrote: »
Theres alot of tank mains that never get asked because theres many better tanks out there that would be a better pick.
It's not about holding aggro anymore these days as a tank. It's how much damage you can do and buff up-time thanks to dps meters. Tanks that hold aggro but deal low dps get left out so again you have to be really skilled/top tier tank to be always picked. Good luck as a new player with the hardest role to master.

One annoying factor is when dungeons are released that *don't* ask much of a tank (that endless sea of final bosses that didn't move, for example, like desolarus, the tree at demokron factory, etc.), so you have groups that stop caring about their tank's skill because no skill is required. RM is great because its second boss punishes tanks who need more practice and its third boss asks the tank to pay attention and time their dodges and manage their RE/iframes. We need more dungeons like RM before tanks can be called "the hardest role to master" again, because right now in a majority of content it's mega braindead and there's barely any pressure on them. More positioning battles, more tank-fights plzthanks.
Lapomko wrote: »
And the funny thing is my static always have hard time getting a capable dps so we have to cross-que with friends from TR/MT to get a run going thanks to the DPS check/shield.
That is so true. Good DPS are so hard to find these days. I've put my tank on the shelf lately and started gearing my old zerk because I end up switching a lot anyway when my friends want to tank and this good-dps bottleneck is irritating as [filtered]. Never seen an mmo where there're tons of support players just sitting around idly while there're barely any (good) dps.
TERA PC - General Discussion#27 Rathgar03/26/2018, 08:17 PM
Too many tanks in Tera...hang on a sec, I have to get this out first HAHAHAHA!!

People have already hit on what needs to be said on how IM works but - in no way are there enough Tanks in Tera. I stopped doing Guardian Legion altogether because there is never a Tank of any kind to be found. I have to put way more effort into doing damage chasing Mexican jumping beans mobs all over the place. It's no longer worth the time investment. Hopefully when more male Brawlers are level 65 and il439 people can bother doing these again.
Rathgar wrote: »
Too many tanks in Tera...hang on a sec, I have to get this out first HAHAHAHA!!

People have already hit on what needs to be said on how IM works but - in no way are there enough Tanks in Tera. I stopped doing Guardian Legion altogether because there is never a Tank of any kind to be found. I have to put way more effort into doing damage chasing Mexican jumping beans mobs all over the place. It's no longer worth the time investment. Hopefully when more male Brawlers are level 65 and il439 people can bother doing these again.

They probably meant 5-star dungeons. It's true that it's easier to find one tank compared to 3 very strong dps that need to push out very high dps because of the wipe timers.
TERA PC - General Discussion#29 ElinLove03/26/2018, 08:31 PM
voidy wrote: »
[...]
One annoying factor is when dungeons are released that *don't* ask much of a tank (that endless sea of final bosses that didn't move, for example, like desolarus, the tree at demokron factory, etc.), [...]

hehe you reminded me of MANY of my DFNM runs where I had to go front (as the healer by the way) to cover up for a missing front player and ress tank. More often than would be normal on a single run by the way
TERA PC - General Discussion#30 voidy03/26/2018, 08:49 PM
Rathgar wrote: »
Too many tanks in Tera...hang on a sec, I have to get this out first HAHAHAHA!!

People have already hit on what needs to be said on how IM works but - in no way are there enough Tanks in Tera. I stopped doing Guardian Legion altogether because there is never a Tank of any kind to be found. I have to put way more effort into doing damage chasing Mexican jumping bean mobs all over the place. It's no longer worth the time investment. Hopefully when more male Brawlers are level 65 and il439 people can bother doing these again.

Tanks are rare for guardians because tanking against a dozen people in +7 sc with no healer to give you mana is a [filtered] experience. I have a tank and I could do guardians but I don't because of that, and because usually a second tank will come along and compete with me for aggro. It sucks lol.
That's because tanks and healers are the best classes to play the game faster right now, with my tank and healer I can find parties each 2 min , while as dps if isnt the boredoom of chickenous george. You have to waste 25 min or 15 ,even hours wating for a single low level dugen, or battleground party. God bless tank and healers
Hi,
First of all, this game starts at lv65.
Second, when people say there's no tanks, they meant good tanks who are willing to spend time and energy as a tank at end-game.
Many people start out as a tank or had tank alts end up switching to dps as their main.
Because for tanks in TERA,
You need to know the boss' attack pattern, when to attack, block or iframe to maintain aggro.
You need to know the dungeons mechanism in and out.
You need to know which position is best for dps, many end-game dungeon requires high dps and timer
You need to know where is safe for healer to come in and resurrect people when someone died.(ex: RKE, RMHM)
You need to have good gear so you don't lose aggro
You need to have a peaceful mind so when you keep losing aggro and get mock by dps you won't get mad
---
My main is Zerk but I also have 2 tank alts, 2 healer alts, 5 dps alts.
I would said playing a tank is definitely more stressful than other classes, hence good end-game tanks are rare and the numbers are lessen(many my tank friends either stop play TERA or switch to DPS/healer)
TERA PC - General Discussion#33 aeee9803/27/2018, 10:25 AM
Hi,
First of all, this game starts at lv65.
Second, when people say there's no tanks, they meant good tanks who are willing to spend time and energy as a tank at end-game.
Many people start out as a tank or had tank alts end up switching to dps as their main.
Because for tanks in TERA,
You need to know the boss' attack pattern, when to attack, block or iframe to maintain aggro.
You need to know the dungeons mechanism in and out.
You need to know which position is best for dps, many end-game dungeon requires high dps and timer
You need to know where is safe for healer to come in and resurrect people when someone died.(ex: RKE, RMHM)
You need to have good gear so you don't lose aggro
You need to have a peaceful mind so when you keep losing aggro and get mock by dps you won't get mad
---
My main is Zerk but I also have 2 tank alts, 2 healer alts, 5 dps alts.
I would said playing a tank is definitely more stressful than other classes, hence good end-game tanks are rare and the numbers are lessen(many my tank friends either stop play TERA or switch to DPS/healer)

Actually that is wrong, more people start out as a dps and then have a tank alt. And tanking is honestly easier than Dpsing lol.
TERA PC - General Discussion#34 Lapomko03/27/2018, 11:07 AM
I don't know. As a DPS i can easily dodge the back attacks no problem and just chill but as a lancer I have alot of stress blocking on time, not taking too many hits. Keep rotation up tight as possible. Doing mechanics perfectly so it doesn't kill the dps like the s bomb. Can't miss time or mistakes will kill me in 1 hit from slaying as a lancer.
I'm not surprised at that possibility tbh, especially considering how I had once been queued in with an entire party of Elins. It was lit AF lmao
The boss never stood a chance;;
voidy wrote: »
Rathgar wrote: »
Too many tanks in Tera...hang on a sec, I have to get this out first HAHAHAHA!!

People have already hit on what needs to be said on how IM works but - in no way are there enough Tanks in Tera. I stopped doing Guardian Legion altogether because there is never a Tank of any kind to be found. I have to put way more effort into doing damage chasing Mexican jumping bean mobs all over the place. It's no longer worth the time investment. Hopefully when more male Brawlers are level 65 and il439 people can bother doing these again.

Tanks are rare for guardians because tanking against a dozen people in +7 sc with no healer to give you mana or heal you so you can play aggressively is a [filtered] experience. I have a tank and I could do guardians but I don't because of that, and because usually a second tank will come along and compete with me for aggro. It sucks, but it's just easier to do it on my healers. Blame the game for that.

Or better yet, there are several tanks, each in a different position, and they're all competing for aggro and the boss starts spinning as such.

That's always fun.
aeee98 wrote: »
Hi,
First of all, this game starts at lv65.
Second, when people say there's no tanks, they meant good tanks who are willing to spend time and energy as a tank at end-game.
Many people start out as a tank or had tank alts end up switching to dps as their main.
Because for tanks in TERA,
You need to know the boss' attack pattern, when to attack, block or iframe to maintain aggro.
You need to know the dungeons mechanism in and out.
You need to know which position is best for dps, many end-game dungeon requires high dps and timer
You need to know where is safe for healer to come in and resurrect people when someone died.(ex: RKE, RMHM)
You need to have good gear so you don't lose aggro
You need to have a peaceful mind so when you keep losing aggro and get mock by dps you won't get mad
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My main is Zerk but I also have 2 tank alts, 2 healer alts, 5 dps alts.
I would said playing a tank is definitely more stressful than other classes, hence good end-game tanks are rare and the numbers are lessen(many my tank friends either stop play TERA or switch to DPS/healer)

Actually that is wrong, more people start out as a dps and then have a tank alt. And tanking is honestly easier than Dpsing lol.

I'm one such player and I have no qualms admitting that - I'm a slayer main (because I love greatswords... n-no, I'm not compensating! :anguished: ), but I made a lancer initially to capitalize on the then-dire need for tank classes. I thought I could get more loot and love and adoration and whatnot.

I still have that lancer, through all the ups and downs and everything in between (remember the gunner/"Go Berserk!" patches? that [filtered] was rough...). And while I still wish that lancers had more offensive options (as I was hot off Vindictus at the time I started playing TERA and was a Fiona main there), I don't regret creating mine. If anything, I've gained a new perspective and thus respect for the defensive classes as a whole. :smiley:
Actually that is wrong, more people start out as a dps and then have a tank alt. And tanking is honestly easier than Dpsing lol.[/quote]



Hi, Im not sure where you get the idea tanks are easier than dps.

In an end-game dungeon run when tank make a mistake and died (iframe too early/too late, miss block on some powerful hit from boss

Aggro goes everywhere results in dps lost or death to dps and healer.

when above happened, dungeons with timer like the last boss RMHM usually end up as wipe.

But if a dps made a mistake and die, healer just go in and resurrect...boss won't turn and run around killing everyone.

Also, if dps is not familiar with the dungeon, he can play safe and focus on dodge attacks instead of maximize dps output.

Tanks can not do that, he would lose aggro right away.

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In terms of playing the mechanic in dungeon, tanks might not be the hardest.

But tank is definitely the most stressful to play because one mistake would cause the whole team.
TERA PC - General Discussion#39 voidy03/27/2018, 08:36 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
voidy wrote: »
Rathgar wrote: »
Too many tanks in Tera...hang on a sec, I have to get this out first HAHAHAHA!!

People have already hit on what needs to be said on how IM works but - in no way are there enough Tanks in Tera. I stopped doing Guardian Legion altogether because there is never a Tank of any kind to be found. I have to put way more effort into doing damage chasing Mexican jumping bean mobs all over the place. It's no longer worth the time investment. Hopefully when more male Brawlers are level 65 and il439 people can bother doing these again.

Tanks are rare for guardians because tanking against a dozen people in +7 sc with no healer to give you mana or heal you so you can play aggressively is a [filtered] experience. I have a tank and I could do guardians but I don't because of that, and because usually a second tank will come along and compete with me for aggro. It sucks, but it's just easier to do it on my healers. Blame the game for that.

Or better yet, there are several tanks, each in a different position, and they're all competing for aggro and the boss starts spinning as such.

That's always fun.

But remember, there's a tank shortage ;^)
TERA PC - General Discussion#40 ElinLove03/27/2018, 09:41 PM
voidy wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
voidy wrote: »
Rathgar wrote: »
Too many tanks in Tera...hang on a sec, I have to get this out first HAHAHAHA!!

People have already hit on what needs to be said on how IM works but - in no way are there enough Tanks in Tera. I stopped doing Guardian Legion altogether because there is never a Tank of any kind to be found. I have to put way more effort into doing damage chasing Mexican jumping bean mobs all over the place. It's no longer worth the time investment. Hopefully when more male Brawlers are level 65 and il439 people can bother doing these again.

Tanks are rare for guardians because tanking against a dozen people in +7 sc with no healer to give you mana or heal you so you can play aggressively is a [filtered] experience. I have a tank and I could do guardians but I don't because of that, and because usually a second tank will come along and compete with me for aggro. It sucks, but it's just easier to do it on my healers. Blame the game for that.

Or better yet, there are several tanks, each in a different position, and they're all competing for aggro and the boss starts spinning as such.

That's always fun.

But remember, there's a tank shortage ;^)

Tho if I remember, people love doing it on tank cause blocks, self heal and being able to still do DPS to clear the Guardian Missions faster than a random DPS class that just HAS to chase the back
TERA PC - General Discussion#41 voidy03/27/2018, 10:01 PM
ElinLove wrote: »
voidy wrote: »
SageWindu wrote: »
voidy wrote: »
Rathgar wrote: »
Too many tanks in Tera...hang on a sec, I have to get this out first HAHAHAHA!!

People have already hit on what needs to be said on how IM works but - in no way are there enough Tanks in Tera. I stopped doing Guardian Legion altogether because there is never a Tank of any kind to be found. I have to put way more effort into doing damage chasing Mexican jumping bean mobs all over the place. It's no longer worth the time investment. Hopefully when more male Brawlers are level 65 and il439 people can bother doing these again.

Tanks are rare for guardians because tanking against a dozen people in +7 sc with no healer to give you mana or heal you so you can play aggressively is a [filtered] experience. I have a tank and I could do guardians but I don't because of that, and because usually a second tank will come along and compete with me for aggro. It sucks, but it's just easier to do it on my healers. Blame the game for that.

Or better yet, there are several tanks, each in a different position, and they're all competing for aggro and the boss starts spinning as such.

That's always fun.

But remember, there's a tank shortage ;^)

Tho if I remember, people love doing it on tank cause blocks, self heal and being able to still do DPS to clear the Guardian Missions faster than a random DPS class that just HAS to chase the back

It's weird. On the one hand I hear people saying there are no tanks at guardians. On the other hand, whenever I go to tank guardians I have to deal with other tanks already there jacking aggro which lowers my DPS. Because of this contradiction, I'm forced to believe that during regular hours this tank shortage is really not bad at all or maybe the people complaining are just super unlucky, idk
TERA PC - General Discussion#42 Lapomko03/27/2018, 10:39 PM
It's just not worth doing it on a tank class because of contribution imbalance that's why you don't see people tanking it. My warrior just rips the guardian bam apart usually placing 1st.
> @Lapomko said:
> It's just not worth doing it on a tank class because of contribution imbalance that's why you don't see people tanking it. My warrior just rips the guardian bam apart usually placing 1st.

Weird cause when I did guardians with my lancer friend (I was on priest) he would always earn as many as boxes I did which is 10-12 per mission and would even sometimes pass me on the leaderboard. Lancer contribution is huge in guardians and they're strong as hell.
Also @voidy the reason why people complain about the lack of tanks in guardians is because a lot of the times the tanks that are there are absolutely awful and don't know how to hold aggro so the dps don't feel that there's a tank.
For example I've been seeing this one guy on ch for months now since the day guardians started. I see this brawler every day doing guardians and he can't hold aggro from my priest. I inspect him and the dude has +5 sc weapon and double crit rolls on it lmao. He doesn't use growing fury. He uses that rampage or w.e skill on the boss. It's been MONTHS since guardians have been out and the dude still has no idea how to play brawler.
My idea is that tons bad brawlers come out of the woodwork to do guardians but none of them really participate in endgame content. Like, just stand at the ghillie entrance during events or something, the % of brawlers will be the same as the % of all other dps.
It's a weird phenomena but all the baddies probably play brawler because it's the best for solo play.
CornishRex wrote: »
My idea is that tons bad brawlers come out of the woodwork to do guardians but none of them really participate in endgame content. Like, just stand at the ghillie entrance during events or something, the % of brawlers will be the same as the % of all other dps.

Some of them don't even know what is GG or PoP, believe me.
TERA PC - General Discussion#45 Srosa03/28/2018, 02:33 PM
everytime i hear "too many tanks" or "tanks is fun class" this kind of thread make me stop playing tanks like why didn't anyone told about endgame?
Endgame imo is bit stupid and such makes tank feel bad about themself,

well person just gonna blame on tanks and such, i blame on healer for afking and watching me as i tanking it and hold aggro and keep myself in position as i die to poop.

this tera at lv65 dungeon tanking a boss is not fun at all, unless you're super pro know everything in first time running.

being as tanks people always wanted perfect tanks like 100% for everything or else you're fired, inexperience tanks like myself doesn't get to join their team cause of "bad" tanks.

if i were tank i told myself "why am i playing this game" "why would anyone gives me suggestion about playing a tanks" "how do i feel about myself as tank" all answer is "bad" tanks always get pooped on by veteran while experienced tanks make everyone happy, to me it doesn't make me happy, im bit disappointed on dps part for whatsoever.

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