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TERA PC - General Discussion: Lets talk about the vanguard rewards/nerfs.
ive been farming IOD bams since the patch came out. the rewards seemed to be in a pretty good and fair place until the cut it in half

now i really feel like its not even worth it to do iod bams lower than the highest tier, and even then they barely seem worth it, it taking 5 days of farming to get ONE rare glyph? why? i dont see a reason for them to be nerfed at all. am i the only one who thinks that? My only hope is that they only nerfed it for the recent tripple event, other than that it was an extremely unnecessary nerf.

what are your thoughts?

TERA PC - General Discussion#2 Pages02/18/2018, 12:07 AM
Vanguard Rewards weren't nerfed. You used to get double tokens and double boxes (24 tokens/2 enchanting crates). 12 tokens and 1 enchanting crate is what every region gets for these Vanguards, but NA had a double vanguard event for a really long time so everyone just forgot that it was an event and thought it was normal.

I think it's fine how it is now, I just wish we had 100% Keening Dawn mote like EU.
Pages wrote: »
Vanguard Rewards weren't nerfed. You used to get double tokens and double boxes (24 tokens/2 enchanting crates). 12 tokens and 1 enchanting crate is what every region gets for these Vanguards, but NA had a double vanguard event for a really long time so everyone just forgot that it was an event and thought it was normal.

I think it's fine how it is now, I just wish we had 100% Keening Dawn mote like EU.

When something runs constantly for almost 3 years you can't really call it an event.
It was a balance change done for the region we're in to fit the needs of this specific region. EU has tradeable essences for example and the 100% keen mote, I don't see them calling it an event, just a balance change done by their publisher because they think their customers/players will like it.
Now it was nerfed for no reason whatsoever and is being brought back as an """event"""", which is just [filtered] imo.
CornishRex wrote: »
Pages wrote: »
Vanguard Rewards weren't nerfed. You used to get double tokens and double boxes (24 tokens/2 enchanting crates). 12 tokens and 1 enchanting crate is what every region gets for these Vanguards, but NA had a double vanguard event for a really long time so everyone just forgot that it was an event and thought it was normal.

I think it's fine how it is now, I just wish we had 100% Keening Dawn mote like EU.

When something runs constantly for almost 3 years you can't really call it an event.
It was a balance change done for the region we're in to fit the needs of this specific region. EU has tradeable essences for example and the 100% keen mote, I don't see them calling it an event, just a balance change done by their publisher because they think their customers/players will like it.
Now it was nerfed for no reason whatsoever and is being brought back as an """event"""", which is just [filtered] imo.

This. The double VG rewards was our region specific change to ease the Korean style grind and was applied back when we had severe feedstock issues, now that has been removed and as always there has been silence on loot changes in dungeons and no mention of when the VG shop will be updated, as well as very slow progress on updates to any other shops such as the Rewards Emporium and the Fashion Coupons (scheduled for this month, most likely releasing last minute, let's hope it works).
if you've been farming iod since the patch came out then there's no way you don't have all of your glyphs by now
Don't delete your thread, you had valid points. The majority of the player base agrees with. Don't listen pages or metagame, known trolls.
Pages wrote: »
Vanguard Rewards weren't nerfed. You used to get double tokens and double boxes (24 tokens/2 enchanting crates). 12 tokens and 1 enchanting crate is what every region gets for these Vanguards, but NA had a double vanguard event for a really long time so everyone just forgot that it was an event and thought it was normal.

I think it's fine how it is now, I just wish we had 100% Keening Dawn mote like EU.

Yes. They were nerfed. We had a unique situation specific to our region for 3 years. The entire existence of IoD as well since the Dawnfall patch in March 2016 (2 years ago.) You are deluded if you think otherwise. Just like 100% keen mote is specific to EU, and the only way to get semi's is to buy them in KTera. There's been numerous numerous threads about it. Halving the supply of golden talents and enchanting chests is one thing. BHS added Guardian which mitigates the issue somewhat, as you have an additional source of gold to buy talents, and an additional source of enchanting mats of all levels.

But the Dragon scale is an issue we have been dealing with since EME flat out lied to the player base during dragon release. There was always supposed to be a reasonable way to get a 1.5x dragon in game. You have to run 400 hard mode dungeons to get a dragon. You can barely get enough tokens for 1 scale by doing 3 top tier IoD

Inb4 "hurr durr why don't you already have one. I do. On every single character. As well as 2.0x, and some phoenixes. That still doesn't help new players who just joined (I have several in my guild, some have already reached FM+7/8/9 and SC+0, but they are nowhere near even only 50scales after 2-4 months of playing.) And that still doesn't address the fact that it takes 3 scales to get a strong bravery, and you will use a strong bravery farming one scale. It's stupid.

And so is your opinion if you think this is ok. Just like they nerfed ease/fire back in the day, and then turned it into an "event." They took something away, just to give it back at a fraction of it's previous rate, and say "HERE, LOOK HOW GENEROUS WE ARE." You don't remember how pissed off the player base was? Read about it: http://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/news-announcements/topics/Time-for-a-Titan-Hunt?page=3&utm_campaign=tera-news&utm_content=20160129&utm_medium=forums&utm_source=newspost

They won't fix it or change it, so whatever. They would have to do a triple VG event, 10 out of the next 10 days, and we would be at the same amount that would have had before they ever changed it. So enjoy your "I like less items, it's awesome, you're all stupid" opinion. We don't share it.

metagame wrote: »
if you've been farming iod since the patch came out then there's no way you don't have all of your glyphs by now

NEW PLAYERS HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING GLYPHS. NEW PLAYERS. NEW PLAYERS. NEW PLAYERS. NEW PLAYERS.

You can't be this dense. Oh wait yes you can, yes you are.
but his thread clearly stated at the start that he's been farming iod since the beginning, and after i pointed it out he abandoned his thread

nothing about his post mentioned anything about new players. using that is not a proper argument as to why you want extra vg rewards, because you and op aren't new players
metagame wrote: »
but his thread clearly stated at the start that he's been farming iod since the beginning, and after i pointed it out he abandoned his thread

nothing about his post mentioned anything about new players. using that is not a proper argument as to why you want extra vg rewards, because you and op aren't new players

Being new or old player isnt really relevant in this at all.
The point is that we had double vg for years because it was balanced like that, other regions got 'balanced' in other ways (100% keen, other vg shop prices, cheaper consumables, whatever).
Making it single vanguard after all this time without giving something in return of equal value is simply a nerf, no matter how you look at it.

And now eme is giving a little bit back in 'events' which is just a slap in the face... we get less rewards and they present it as an awesome good thing!

Who wants to bet all the costs for enchanting/upgrading stormcry will stay the same and the new gear will have insane prices at which point they will enable double vg again to show us 'they care'?
it is relevant when its the only excuse they can spout as to why they don't like the changes

2x/3x weekends are now our current "balance" to keep in line with things like 100% keen and CAP etc. additionally, extra vg rewards only net you a few thousand more emblems daily (and only when doing iod), making very little difference in terms of needing new mats to upgrade gear, and up until yesterday item exp has never been touched
If there is one thing that it does not really make sense is that we had double vanguard rewards but then it was changed to x1 double vanguard rewards and x1 triple vanguard rewads per month then they were even called "events".. But the said events are giving only nine days worth of double vanguard rewards out of an entire month compared to the previous system so we mostly lose twenty or more days worth of double vanguard rewards.

How is this an improvement if it was meant to be an improvement? And why is it even called an event when we pratically lose 2/3 worth of rewards compared to the previous system? When i saw this change i thought that we will get the vanguard shop updated and 100% keen mote at IOD to cover up for the trade but none of them happened so how does this work?
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
If there is one thing that it does not really make sense is that we had double vanguard rewards but then it was changed to x1 double vanguard rewards and x1 triple vanguard rewads per month then they were even called "events".. But the said events are giving only nine days worth of double vanguard rewards out of an entire month compared to the previous system so we mostly lose twenty or more days worth of double vanguard rewards.

How is this an improvement if it was meant to be an improvement? And why is it even called an event when we pratically lose 2/3 worth of rewards compared to the previous system? When i saw this change i thought that we will get the vanguard shop updated and 100% keen mote at IOD to cover up for the trade but none of them happened so how does this work?

It is not an improvement, it is a nerf... thats why the complaints about it will keep coming back.
I also really cant understand how people can defend this... its a nerf, EVERYBODY gets less reward and has the grind increased.. regardless of being a new or old player :S
Grinding dailies is a lot like work, imagine your boss coming up to you telling you he's going to cut your pay in half BUT will introduce super-awesome-magic-bonus-time-hours with triple pay!
After a months work you end up with a much lower paycheck and you would.. or should.. tell your boss to F**K OFF
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