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General Discussion: This community, toxicity and the lack of transparency (for some reason my original post was deleted)
Apologies for the double post, it seems that the topic I posted this in originally is hella dead and gen discussion seems to get muuuuch more attention + post got deleted when I tried editing it I don't know why it just gave me a "Discussion Not Found".

I've never seen such an unwelcoming and toxic community ever since league. What's even more interesting is apparently this game doesn't care enough to even offer a report section. Toxicity is therefore encouraged as there are 0 repercussions. The fact that elitists exist in such large numbers and toxicity like this vvvvv is allowed is terrible. What's even worse is that these players are in fact protected as I am obliged to block out their names. I'm Aoshikai.

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There are several things I would actually like to note

1) I just rejoined TERA last saturday from a 3 year hiatus.
2) Just hit level 65 about 3 days ago
3) I have been forced to relearn the game from scratch as most of the game is very different right now
4) There is no where prior to doing dungeon that explains all of these fine mechanics
5) The fact that there are so many elitists in this game is terrible and it's saddening there isn't a fix for it

Alright now on to my main complaints

Apparently these people automatically assume that the player is supposed to automatically and immediately know everything about the dungeon and the fine math of the game before even playing it. It's a sickening and terrible and toxic assumption, and I've met a large amount of these toxic players (specifically in Ravenous Gorge, as these players can get away with it more because its smaller).

Instead of politely explaining what I'm doing wrong and what to fix, I instead get flamed for it. This isn't the first time I've encountered it and I've just ignored it up until now but this guy would NOT STOP. It was a CONSTANT flame. What's even worse is that he afkd for majority of the dungeon (I was eventually kicked by him after being called more names). It's rude, immature, toxic and unwelcoming. This isn't how a community for a game should be and it's to accepted as there is no possible repercussion ANYWHERE possible. There's not even a mute button. You can't hide chat box without hiding the entire UI. You're forced to see this constant flame.

His buddy joined in a bit as well. It's humiliating to have to go through this. Excuse me if there's NOTHING that explains there's anything else to these dungeons than just killing the boss? Excuse me that there is in fact (surprise surprise) no guide to anything? I've looked on youtube for Valkyrie guides and they're outdated or (according to a disproportionate amount of comments) horribly wrong. And any half made guides that do exist aren't even geared towards fresh level 65s. They usually skip to the part where you apparently have this and that (and don't explain how to get this and that) and are doing this and that with them (and very poor explanations).

I shouldn't have to be punished, humiliated, and discouraged from doing dungeons, or rather, playing the game in general because of these elitists. It's a terrible extremely unfun experience.

However, I do want to learn these mechanics but (again surprise surpsie) there's no guides as far as I see them, and nothing that tells me how much damage I should be outputting, how much I actually am, and what I can do to fix my apparent "trash as f***" dps.

Apparently anyone who knows what they're doing (as far as I have seen personally) are elitist rude boorish toxic and unwelcoming people. The treatment new players get from veteran players is actually terrible from my experience. What they don't realize is that it is "noobs" that are going to keep this game alive, as I'm sure that a lack of new members and a leave of veteran members leads to a decline of ANYTHING.

It's depressing that there are no veteran members that politely tell you these things AT ALL, as they either just stay silent and carry you (which does nothing for you in the long run, give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for life) or flame you without actually telling you . . . anything.

Sorry if this seems rageful but it's severely tilting to have to experience this, and then be kicked out of the dungeon "just because" while he gets to afk, flame and get his loot.

Update: This person purposefully went OUT OF HIS WAY to continue messaging me and flame me
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View post on Tera forums#2 DL7MMWLJ3W01/06/2018, 06:49 PM
Just report the harassment to support. That's all you gotta do.

Also you didn't censor the name well but that budget Yoda isn't exactly a skilled player either. Report that person too. Strange to see a weak player bullying a new player.
View post on Tera forums#3 Melyodis01/06/2018, 06:51 PM
report the whole flame submit a ticket trust me yo will get justice he went to far with all that [filtered] talking lawd have mercy. i feel for you bro report him.
View post on Tera forums#4 Naru200801/06/2018, 06:58 PM
Firstly, to clear up why it was removed, it's the forum's stupid filter. If you're editing it too much, it considers you a spammer or bot, and as such, hides your threads and/or posts until it's manually approved by a GM (which is rarely done).

You're welcome to report them, as they basically just broke the GM's most recent rule about DPS Meters; Using them to harass users results in a permanent ban. I suggest sending in a ticket to EnMasse and have them banned.

Onto the whole Elitest issue, here's my take on it;

As a user who's in all Stormcry, and if you're in Storm, I expect you to know how to do dungeons you could have learned during having Guardian or TwistShard gear. Now yes in hind-sight, this is pretty bad to assume, which is why I take it a step further and always ask each run if anyone doesn't know the mechanics.
Here lies the issue with me asking;
1.) Most people (apparently, from what I've seen) hide their Chat Tabs and don't look at it. (This is pretty bad. You should be on the Party/Raid tab if you're in a dungeon.)
2.) If they don't hide their tabs, they don't say anything, and then start messing up. For example, in Thaumetal Refinery, the first Boss mechanics include bananas popping up over you, in which case, you run to the tree and wait for the banana to spawn underneath you, in which you then leave before the game reads you as standing on it. The second part related to this is when he says "Who's Next?" and then the player he will target has an eye on them. I know too many Valkeries who just sit there and DPS rather than do what they are supposed to do, which is run behind the tree, to lead him into the banana on the side closest to him, and make him trip head-first into the tree. The entire time we kept trying to tell him the mechs, and he wouldn't listen and kept dying.

The issue is, usually, that most people don't care, or don't want to learn. You basically said yourself in the screenshots that you didn't really care. That places you in the category of the users who, in issue number 2, just don't care, and didn't say anything about being new until AFTER the fact.

I personally could care less if you haven't run the dungeon before, that's fine and dandy. JUST. SAY. SOMETHING.
Half of us don't care to sit there and spend a few minutes explaining the mechs before going against each boss in the dungeons. I prefer helping people myself, and so do the others in my guild, however, if you can't give us the common courtesy of letting us know, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ASK AHEAD OF TIME, that you don't know how the mechs work, or it's your first run, then that falls on you, and then you wonder why we get upset.

It's not that people are JUST elitist, it's just people don't take common courtesy or common sense into consideration when running a brand new dungeon. Recently, I ran RK-9 for the first time, and immediately let everyone know I hadn't run it before, but looked at the Guide, but still was a bit lost on the mechs. We sat there and talked about the mechs before each boss, and the run went smoothly, except for a Warrior who willingly dropped out because we kept dying on the last boss because we couldn't destroy the shield and wiped like 5 times. I did pretty good, and we all shared our own deaths in the dungeon, but we did great all in all, imo.

There's always two sides to every story. The people getting yelled at claiming complete innocence, and then the people who want smooth runs, do all they can to try and get people to say they don't know mechs, then get screwed over because people don't say anything.

My most important rule in regards to dungeons, if you couldn't tell, is;
Let us know it's your first run, or that you don't know mechs. If you don't, and we have a hard time, don't get upset when we get upset with you. At that point, it's your fault for ignoring us, and not letting us know. It's a pet-peeve if you don't say anything ahead of time, or even after we try to dig it out of you.

Also, you can find plenty of helpful guides on the current dungeons (and any that may come up rebalanced) on Essential Mana;
https://essentialmana.com/
View post on Tera forums#5 Ardire01/06/2018, 07:06 PM
losing your mind in RG is so embarrassing and petty that i can't help but laugh, it's a dungeon that can be solo'd without trouble, i'd go as far to say it's easier than channelworks. someone tunneling that hard on being a [filtered] is clearly in need of psychiatric help.

but also i call BS on your claims of not finding RG guides (it's an old dungeon that's existed for literal years) and claiming those outdated valkyrie guides were of no help-- cause even if they're old they still tell you the importance of runemarks, bloodflower, shining crescent and ragnarok. and if you know how to properly work those particular things in your kit alone then you should be outputting decent damage as a valk.

also your beginning comments of "lol idrc" and claiming you know what to do when you very much clearly don't and "who cares" and THEN whipping out the classic "i just hit 65" excuse would not exactly inspire a veteran playing to go out of their way to be kind and explain every last detail of a dungeon and your own class to you-- obviously this lunatic was never gonna do that to begin with, but you know... for the future, you might want to try asking questions if you genuinely want to learn.

anyway tl;dr being an "elitist" in ravenous gorge of all places is LUL
View post on Tera forums#6 Hilltrot01/06/2018, 07:08 PM
It is expected that you learn the mechanics of the dungeon before you play. Some players wait for some time for a opening to appear, and not knowing the most basic mechanics is annoying.

Next, you should not expect the best company in MMOs in general. And especially from a game which has half-naked females as its drawing point.

This behavior is not abnormal behavior for MMOs.
As a end game player, I am absolutely disgusted by the filth that person wrote in the party chat, regardless of you knowing the mechanics or not. More often or not I end up carrying a run, if someone asks me what exactly are they doing wrong or right I point them in the right direction and move on. RG ( considering he was talking about flowers ) is easy enough dungeon for a solo person, hence the reason I am disgusted. Its not heavy based dungeon filled with mechanics where you could wipe ( unless you are talking about 2nd boss but even that is easily avoidable ) and overall that should have NOT happened.
Regardless of your poor performance this kind of behavior should have not been shown, for the facts that were pointed up above here. If I spot someone doing mechanics wrong in the more important dungeons such as TRNM or RK, I am more then happy to tell them what to do and what they are doing wrong. Most people listen. Some dont. If they dont, it will cause wipe, and then the person is at stake of entire party not being happy with their performance, but in no case should anyone flame and write filth like that towards someone else.

You did write this and I qoute :

It's depressing that there are no veteran members that politely tell you these things AT ALL, as they either just stay silent and carry you (which does nothing for you in the long run, give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for life) or flame you without actually telling you . . . anything.

As a Veteran player, or rather the one that runs dungeons all the time, a simple RG dungeon that takes a little bit longer then it usual does wont really make me upset. I had my fair share of IMSing and people having no clue what exactly they are doing, but as a player I dont feel like its hindering me enough for me to stop and explain the simplicity of the mechanics, because in my own personal experience every player should stop and look what exactly is happening and what they have to do to improve the situation given the dungeon. Does not make me go out of my way and actually flame the person. eventually in my hopes they will all learn and try to improve themselves. Unless of course its some kind of heavy based mechanic dungeon where their mistake could cause the wipe ( With that being said there were times where I told someone something about fixing a thing or two about their game play, only to get some kind of snappy comeback in the sorts of why-are-you-telling-me-how-to-play-my-class )

That was totally unnecessary either way, and I did notice they mentioned something about your DPS being bad, so you can just go ahead and report them for using 3rd party program, not only using it, but also harassing other players with it. Expect a proper action to be taken and their accounts to be terminated, permanently :)

Good luck in your future endeavours, and know that you will run on some good experiences and run on bad ones as well. Bite your tongue and try to better yourself so you can attract better players and not deal with scum, for the lack of better words, like this
View post on Tera forums#8 ElinLove01/06/2018, 07:18 PM
hhmmmm hang on: Is that a "I don't really care" on the FIFTH line of the chat? And then you keep proceeding with "Who cares" type of stuff?

I usually help people out and stand by the guys that get trashed in chat but... Sincerely, they may have started harshly, but you're downright provocative there, honestly, if you stop for once and ask "Sorry what is going on here?" or such, but no you literally went with "I don't really care"???

This is too provocative for me to stand by. And I can see that only one of them is actually pissed, the other one is trying to get things calm and trying to find a solution and let it go. You say that people expect you to know everything, and sure enough they do. And I can't blame anyone for this, if you don't know it, call about it! There are learning runs and such for people without the knowledge, so it's assumable that when you enter an IM you at least follow the pack. I'm not that into the whole "read a guide" thing, I think this is downright stupid that we need to do homework prior to a dungeon, and that the party's words should suffice, but then, if you DON'T know it, ASK ABOUT IT! It sincerely looks like this was not the case. That you really just bulldozed your way through it and nobody should point a finger, you did reply with "idrc" and "who cares?" didn't you?

Yes, this attitude is what burst it up. It's simple. Man/girl/dog/whatever, I wouldn't also keep my cool if I was in a run with you, I told you (I don't burst at people at 1st tho, there's this difference) about what you were doing wrong, and I was met with "I don't care dude, just do your stuff and I do mine". No, sorry, I help people as much as I can and want and boy I want. But when I'm met with this? Oh no I start directly a kick as fast as I can. I have quite low to 0 bullcrap tolerance.


TL;DR: I hope I am wrong, and if so disconsider. But if you really did just ignore/retort them like that, I would have lost my cool as well. There's a HUGE difference about unreceptive to newbies and get trashed by one and trying to put up with. It's like asking a mother of a teenager to have fun with him telling her to shut up. It just SHOULDN'T happen.
View post on Tera forums#9 CornishRex01/06/2018, 07:18 PM
Oh god their comments made me lol. Typical players that are glad someone is finally is doing worse than them so that they can insult :weary:
When you ims you should always, -always- expect newbies. When people are doing things wrong I try to correct them but in tera it's extremely frustrating because newbies tend to not speak english at all and in the end you just waste breath. And I think this is where all the elitism and hate stems from but hell if I know.
That said...
Valk guides, as far as I know, are good. At least good enough for a returning player.
As for dungeon guides... C'mon dude it's not so hard. I just googled it and got essential mana as the first result. Everything is nicely explained in the first paragraph (the mistake you made with the flowers is explained right away).
There's 0 excuse for not reading a guide. You are expecting a bit of a carry let's be honest.

Both sides are wrong. Toxicity should be lessened but newbies should also try harder to find guides. I did it when I started playing. Why can't others?
And don't get me wrong, I ims all the time, I explain things all the time and I help people as much as I can. I'm probably one of the least toxic players you can get in ims (at least in your face, sorry if I'm giggling at your mistakes behind the screen a bit, or complaining to my friends...) and with so much ims experience I can see why people are so elitist in this game - newbies seem so lazy and very willing to get free carries wherever they go.

Also everything I agree with pretty much everything @Naru2008 said. Especially the last paragraph.
View post on Tera forums#10 VoidBlue01/06/2018, 07:22 PM
They should just add a ingame damage meter that only shows your stats.

Or do the training dummies already do that?

It's just nice to know how you are actually doing and if you can't make improvements.
View post on Tera forums#11 MidnightTune01/06/2018, 07:39 PM
@ElinLove and @Ardire

I was hoping that telling him idc and whtnot would shut him up. Evidently that didn't work :(
And is just hitting level 65 not an excuse? There's a lot of information to absorb in this game and between 0 and 65 I was more so focused on learning the importance of the professions and what I need to do after level 65.

What's unfortunate is that you people would escalate the issue in other situations. The point of this is just to show that any of this is unacceptable under any circumstances. Its a game and it should not be taken this far. I had no interest in KISSING UP to this guy and licking his boot just to get information. It's not worth it if I can just get through it.

There's 0 excuse and I really don't think someone like this is what I who I want help from. In fact, I did ask earlier during the dungeon and they just told me to look up a guide. I promptly went to the forums here and looked through the guides and found nothing regarding dungeons.

I didnt know of this website called essentialmana before now though

I will obviously look through these guides and learn the fine mechanics and whatnot obvi

Also thank you @Naru2008 for that last tidbit that's really helpful I appreciate it
View post on Tera forums#12 96GYC674J301/06/2018, 07:44 PM
There is no need for damage meters in group play, period! Most of the time the content is easily defeated with casual playing. Raiding is a different story.

If someone is doing a dungeon for the first time they are unfamiliar with it and experiencing it, so the dps being down is expected. Let them experience it. I have made some good in game friends by helping them on first runs and letting them take their time. What is the point or fun in having to run the dungeon at Max speed each time.

There is a group that just like to be negative and troll others whenever they can. There exists no reason to play with them at all. If they violate a game rule report them immediately.

Some people like to experience the game, and not read a guide before hand. It is so much more fun running a dungeon with a newbie who is having fun! Games were not designed to be played by having to read a dungeon guide first, that removes a good portion of the fun, and fun is what a game is all about!

The above is generic for most games now. Game communities need to get these toxic people removed because all they do is make new people leave, and sometimes older players, while adding nothing to the game. No, being toxic and just plain rude is not Role Playing.

@MidnightTune ...come on guy, you should have googled everything about tera and had storm gear before you ever came back to tera. there is no excuse for ever dying in a dungeon, not even once. don't you know that you are messing with people's livelihood when you come into tera not knowing every little detail about it. these people's family depend on the gold and gear these players earn in game. with you messing up on that run, little timmy wont be able to eat for a week thanks to you.........btw, this is all sarcasm. im just pointing out how some people take this game too serious and how some of them act as if this is real what I posted.
people are toxic in this game. people feel like they can talk to you anyway they want to cause its the internet. look at what happened recently in the news about the people playing cod and the swat team shot and killed a guy due to a diferent guy calling in a false report...a troll.
this is the main reason I play solo, so I don't have to put up with those types of idiots. start a guild or join a halfway decent one, if you can find one of those in tera again, and start your own runs. good luck, and remember little timmy is depending on you lol.
View post on Tera forums#14 Ardire01/06/2018, 07:53 PM
I was more so focused on learning the importance of the professions and what I need to do after level 65.

okay wait what??????????? professions? you mean crafting??? something you wouldn't get into for some time as a fresh 65 since it takes a bit of time and gold to master any one profession? also something you wouldn't necessarily need to even think about until you hit the 3rd tier of gear (i.e. frostmetal?). this took precedence over learning your own class?

:thonking:
What's unfortunate is that you people would escalate the issue in other situations. The point of this is just to show that any of this is unacceptable under any circumstances. Its a game and it should not be taken this far. I had no interest in KISSING UP to this guy and licking his boot just to get information. It's not worth it if I can just get through it.

"you people" aight fam, don't even know who you are or who we are, but ok. also asking questions like "is there anything i should know about this dungeon?" or being actually honest and saying "hey i'm new and this is my first time running this" instead of claiming you know things that you don't isn't 'KISSING UP'

anyway, i already said plenty about how the guy harassing you in a complete nutjob. but you clearly aren't exactly a basket of peaches either, toxicity is a two-way straight sometimes, princess.
I promptly went to the forums here and looked through the guides and found nothing regarding dungeons.

do you not get google in your country
View post on Tera forums#15 JXE5356AKE01/06/2018, 08:01 PM
While this may not be the case for this situation, if you have run a dungeon like RG 50+ times, you can have a feeling whether the run is going slow or fast based on the time it takes per boss. Most older players can solo the dungeon, but don't want to. So you can feel if the other players' dps is higher or lower since your own will be relatively consistent. I don't agree with the flame from the screenshots, but assuming 3rd party for that may be a bit of a jump. Also people used to claim these things before stuff like meter was widely available just so they would have someone to blame. Since they were that angry I wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
View post on Tera forums#16 MidnightTune01/06/2018, 08:08 PM
@Ardire see the second I see someone who is condescending and rude with rhetoric like that I AM going to dismiss them as I dismissed this person. Out of nowhere he began to flame me, so obviously I dont want that kind of attention. I was told if I get into crafting early, I can start making stuff and sell it. I just recently stumbled upon the existence of actual fine mechanics in the dungeons in these game. I dont play MMOs but I wanted to try one. There was nothing for me to look up before or even consider considering . . .well I didn't know mechanics were a part of dungeon bosses like that.

It's condescending comments like "princess" as if you assum I'm female just because of what I'm saying (as if being female is an insult) and "do you not get google in your country" as if you assume I'm from some distant foreign country b/c I went to the TERA forums GUIDE SECTION first.

It's just mean, i dont get why its so hard to NOT be mean like that
View post on Tera forums#17 Margarethe01/06/2018, 08:27 PM
Amused, aren't we all toxic?
They kept the issue on party and whisper chat.
You made a full thread at the forums about it.

At any rate, simply write a support ticket with those screenshots.
The actual percentage numbers prove they're harassing you with a DPS meter.
View post on Tera forums#18 Ardire01/06/2018, 08:33 PM
condescending comments like "princess" because for someone trying to paint themselves as a victim you are very uppity and haughty, not unlike a spoiled figure of royalty. also i'm genuinely boggled as to why you didn't use google when you couldn't find anything here (tip you won't find much of anything of use here)

since you've never played MMOs before let me give you a piece of sincere, not inflammatory advice-- one person losing his [filtered] at you does not warrant an entire forum brigade calling the entire community "toxic", i mean i know tera's population is small but one person isn't a community... if you are going to continue using IMS then it's in your best interest to both grow thicker skin and diminish any concept of an ego you hold on to, i assure you once you do this everything will become 100% less painful 'cause you'll stop caring.

if you don't wanna do this then look for a guild (big casual PVE guilds are usually more than willing to take on fresh 65s) and run with them. safer, and better chance that they'll be willing to teach you stuff.

also ignore crafting until you learn the actual basic [filtered] like your class, whoever told you that advice is a [filtered] pair of numbnuts.
View post on Tera forums#19 ElinLove01/06/2018, 08:55 PM
I'm really sorry OP But yes, what you did, and proved, was provoking. You downright admitted now that you wanted them to shut up. I mean it's here for god's sake:
ElinLove and Ardire

I was hoping that telling him idc and whtnot would shut him up. Evidently that didn't work :([...]

You want others to shut up! You just can't complain about toxicity if you reply WITH toxicity. You may have not started it, but you did give it the reason. And after that, you really just... wanted them to shut up, and us to stand by you? Ain't happening. The story has always two sides and your side ain't convincing me either. If I was on a run with you and you started with "I don't really care" and such, I would have kicked you. And I got way more patience for new players than many here would ever imagine. Been through Timescape once with like 3 different complete parties that we wiped over and over on 1st boss. I stuck to it and kept trying to teach people. They themselves got fed up and left but that was it, I never cussed any of them neither they did it back. It all was bad and that's how bad it ended. And still no cancer or anything.

You say he started flaming right of the bat, doesn't sound convincing. If you said you were new and were met with a "read a guide" reply, they would have been warned already, and would have told you "Wrong flower dude" at some point. Heck, the "what the [filtered] is valk doing??" wasn't cancer. At that point, if you think this is toxicity, you need to grow thick skin. That 1st comment you showed on chat was already your clue. During a dungeon you just scream fast what's happening and that's it, you don't go and cuddle your teammate and ask them softly, you scream quickly what's on your mind. You don't filter it you just do it. That moment, you should just ask "What's wrong? Sorry I don't know". But no, you retorted.

Don't act like you would need to bow down and kiss his boots for information. It's NEVER like that. When they don't wanna say anything and just want to run it with pros they kick before the run even starts upon hearing the player is new, so the entire thing about "kissing his boots to get information" is just you trying to justify that you don't have to ask. Ain't convincing, sorry, this is just taking a sharper turn away from your side.

You say it's never acceptable. Sure. It's not. It's also valid for you if you forgot. You simply created, may I say, tailored the situation for that to happen, and then cry on forums that WE are the elithists that hate newcomers.
I suspect a big part of the reason they say TERA's community is unreceptive of newcomers are cases like this.


Now on a little bit of off-topic, I'll share a similar, or downright identical experience I've had, but: on the other side of the story!

I was running LKNM. The group had a very experienced Warrior, a good/OK tank, random Valkyrie doing low but OK DPS (the warrior had the meter, but never harassed anyone with it), me as a Priest, and a Ninja that never said anything up till last boss.
The Valkyrie died sometimes, every now and then only. Brawler did well, Warrior was role model, I did my best to keep all alive and buffs/debuffs all up. Ninja was dying all the time and doing VERY little DPS. This was the same for 2nd boss (By 1st boss I saw already that Ninja was doing DPS on the front and sides and eating every mechanic). Well, come mobs and Ninja was still doing same crap, at last boss the Warrior had to say it on the chat after inspecting: "Ninja, I see you're a new player right? Your crystals aren't the best suited for dungeons on parties. Do you have (crystal names, won't say them all)?" "If you're from (server), I can give you some extras I have here. With this setup now you're doing very low DPS." "Don't take me wrong tho, just teaching, you know, nobody knows it all at start. Not complaining." Also at some point I say "Another thing I've noticed, is that you don't keep much at the back. This would be the best place to stay, you do more damage and it's easier to heal with everyone at back"
Guess what was the response?
"s-ck my d"
Really.
~me and warrior~:
"hey, come on we just saying something, we not even complaining about you, just trying to teach you"
~ninja goes again~:
"[filtered] you idiot"
At that point my 0 BS acceptance kicks in:
"You cut that crap now, it you don't wanna do as told, at least just say "ok" and go, you've being trash the entire run and we put up with that. Keep your BS and that's what the kick button is for. You're very disposable being the lowest DPS here and with this useless attitude"

Well, he kept at it. We tried kicking (me and warrior) but the Brawler declined all the time. Fine, I ain't gonna fight with the Brawler for that, he actually did well. I just went and threw back all his cancer at himself, and for the last boss he stayed dead on the floor start to end (he sucked so it's no wonder he got so much damage so quickly). He kept cussing the entire end of the run. And still got loot like a good old leacher and cancer player does.


Moral of the story? There's only so far your "this is never acceptable" goes, because cancer doesn't happen out of nowhere in games. And when it starts, it can die out quickly with non-cancerous responses, or you can make it escalate quickly.

I'm tired of in-game cancer as much as the next guy, if I want cancer I play Counter Strike, I bought it exactly to have a laugh at the cancer voice chat. But I'm not gonna stand by some victim playing character, EVER. Sick to the brim of those in real life, ain't gonna want that in a game.
View post on Tera forums#20 MidnightTune01/06/2018, 09:15 PM
Alright I sympathize with your experience. @ElinLove

This right here actually makes some sense, I actually appreciate this
ElinLove wrote: »
During a dungeon you just scream fast what's happening and that's it, you don't go and cuddle your teammate and ask them softly, you scream quickly what's on your mind. You don't filter it you just do it. That moment, you should just ask "What's wrong? Sorry I don't know". But no, you retorted.

I understand how you say I escalated the issue.

I appreciate that you gave your side of a similarish story, always open to that.

I would say that the "its downright identical" is malarky, as the only difference between that and mine is that I wasn't um you know cursing excessively or being toxic???? And this guy was actually flaming me the ENTIRE dungeon when most of it I didn't respond to (whereas you had waited for quite a while, was ACTUALLY polite, and then was thrown shade at).

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I dont see how this isn't convincing, as this is the genuine beginning of the party chat, it was a simple "F*** you" that started it. There's no sign of wanting to help


Nonetheless it's appreciated, makes me consider more :) :+1:
View post on Tera forums#21 ElinLove01/06/2018, 09:56 PM
Alright I sympathize with your experience. @ElinLove

This right here actually makes some sense, I actually appreciate this
ElinLove wrote: »
During a dungeon you just scream fast what's happening and that's it, you don't go and cuddle your teammate and ask them softly, you scream quickly what's on your mind. You don't filter it you just do it. That moment, you should just ask "What's wrong? Sorry I don't know". But no, you retorted.

I understand how you say I escalated the issue.

I appreciate that you gave your side of a similarish story, always open to that.

I would say that the "its downright identical" is malarky, as the only difference between that and mine is that I wasn't um you know cursing excessively or being toxic???? And this guy was actually flaming me the ENTIRE dungeon when most of it I didn't respond to (whereas you had waited for quite a while, was ACTUALLY polite, and then was thrown shade at).

emdyjA4.png
I dont see how this isn't convincing, as this is the genuine beginning of the party chat, it was a simple "F*** you" that started it. There's no sign of wanting to help


Nonetheless it's appreciated, makes me consider more :) :+1:

I see your point. It's just that it's very hard to side it when you see that 1st crop and analyze it yourself. I do know of people who flame a lot and are cancerous. One point I do is that it always has one trigger point, regardless of being a valid one or not. The trigger point at this one specific crop, doesn't side well with any part. If the trigger point was before it and all, then it's another story wand was badly framed on the screencaps, this new one helps the story a lot more tho, and yeah this one specific player started it, maybe because of heat of the moment but still did.

No, you didn't go nearly the same way as that idiotic ninja did. The Ninja there was going completely cuss/cursing mode for absolutely NO reason. You did have one and made all things worse, it's different in that light. The point of "It's never without a reason" stays for why people curse and cuss, and it's valid to your side of the story as well. You did get trashed and trashed back. It was a mudfight. He sure as heck wasn't right in cussing. Neither of you were, but nobody should just shut and get trashed so I get it in part at least. I would say that the story itself, the chat talk itself, was a tad of a typical cuss fight that happens, move on and such. I would actually say that what did make me snap was seeing that it was the typical call, but you did make a huge deal out of it. It's bad, sure, annoying as heck I can understand. It's just not much more than this, one cancer player there. And I sure agree that even if he did have a reason, he shouldn't start cussing, even if it's a "heat of the moment" thing, people do need to calm down and use their brains, if they do have one.

There really should be a better way of players learning the dungeons than just hoping for LFG learning runs, or "read a guide" stuff. Would avoid a TON of those types of stuff (not all, obviously).

WELL, after all is said and done, and the cuss fight was brought here and all, let's all go with some things:

1: Sadly, cancer does happen, and it's not the majority. Everyone has some level of cancer, but how much goes out and when is different, so everyone should be ready for some dose of it. NOT absolutely every trash they get thrown at;
2: New people should tell they're new, and when they're getting told they're doing wrong, ask what is being done wrong and what should be done right. Not all are the same when they're heated up in a dungeon so the callout MAY be unpolite, it's not necessarily hate/cancer per-se;
3: If the group is in fact unreceptive of new players and you're a new player to that dungeon, don't hesitate to drop. No need to take crap for no reason, let them deal with themselves. The 15 minute dropout may be worth it;
4: In other hand when it's just one on the group doing all the fuzz and the rest is OK with it, the kick option goes for this too. Any decent group would kick a cancerous player out of a run regardless of gear/experience, if you're not giving reason (as in, being cancerous intentionally) then boot the cancer out and move along.
5: Since IT HAPPENS, and it's rarely all that much, moving on is always better, at most, reporting. If that even. Many times I've just dealt with the good old "throw mud back" way and left it at that.
View post on Tera forums#22 Lifegiver0001/07/2018, 12:12 AM
@Ardire see the second I see someone who is condescending and rude with rhetoric like that I AM going to dismiss them as I dismissed this person. Out of nowhere he began to flame me, so obviously I dont want that kind of attention. I was told if I get into crafting early, I can start making stuff and sell it. I just recently stumbled upon the existence of actual fine mechanics in the dungeons in these game. I dont play MMOs but I wanted to try one. There was nothing for me to look up before or even consider considering . . .well I didn't know mechanics were a part of dungeon bosses like that.

It's condescending comments like "princess" as if you assum I'm female just because of what I'm saying (as if being female is an insult) and "do you not get google in your country" as if you assume I'm from some distant foreign country b/c I went to the TERA forums GUIDE SECTION first.

It's just mean, i dont get why its so hard to NOT be mean like that

And note: Trust me I DO care, I WANT to learn, but NOT from someone who begins a conversation in a dungeon off the bad with rude comments (as he began with this: https://i.imgur.com/gCcsNeT.png ) So the second I SEE that, I WILL NOT listen because. . . newsflash: toxic people aren't good people and dont like helping people.

Thats why they're toxic

There are moments when I try to help players like you who are new or inexperienced and sometimes they respond as you did in that screenshot. They were blunt at first and you responded "who cares." People do care when they spend time to learn their class and play this game. They were absolutely disgusting in how they spoke to you but I do not agree with how you responded either.

They could have given you tips but the mindset in this game is you are capable of doing your own research and looking at a guide or video to help you understand what you are doing. It's not a high expectation to require of someone. You can look up valkyrie pve videos online or ask someone to help you. There are plenty of people who can do so.

Take what you want out of this post.

View post on Tera forums#23 Satchin01/07/2018, 01:27 AM
And note: Trust me I DO care, I WANT to learn, but NOT from someone who begins a conversation in a dungeon off the bad with rude comments (as he began with this: https://i.imgur.com/gCcsNeT.png ) So the second I SEE that, I WILL NOT listen because. . . newsflash: toxic people aren't good people and dont like helping people.

Thats why they're toxic

If you care then don't say "lol idc"

If you're new, tell people before a dungeon. If you mess up and they call you out on it, then just say sorry. That will show them you're willing to learn, it will deflate the situation and they'll explain stuff. Your entire string of responses tells me that you're defensive, you want to come off as doing nothing wrong, you're one step from telling them it's just a game and to get over it, etc etc.

Other words, a bad player with a bad attitude that expects to be carried.

I am very annoyed at seeing people play valks, an easy to play over powered class and not bother to actually learn how to play it as well. I'm sure it's a sticking point for many veteran players at this point as well.


Yes, if they instance matched they should expect low skilled players. That's on them, but you have to understand veteran players play low level dungeons to grind, their main priority is to go through it fast and to save time. It's just plain rude not to try your best as well. They are strangers. Please be more considerate.

View post on Tera forums#24 RLFJTTRN6501/07/2018, 01:46 AM
reading is hard in this game i tell carrys in que to hit the BLUE Flower in RG bosses and you know what they do stick to the boss like glue and not even hit any flower but not just that instead of back crit they like to be in front of the boss. carrying people on sc brawler is ez and all but if you cant even follow a simple HIT THE BLUE Flower that appear why should i carry (btw as a tank you can tell when there a carry cus only when you hit the boss the boss hp bar moves)
View post on Tera forums#25 Ves197801/07/2018, 01:53 AM
seriously, so much drama about RG run... i outdpsed a ninja today with my mystic and finished the run with "tyfp" as usual... what was i supposed to do? lecture him about trash dps?
View post on Tera forums#26 TheCatalyst01/07/2018, 10:41 AM
RG can be soloed by experienced player.
I even accidentally soloed RG with my ninja in guardian gear.

If someone is complaining, then all three of u need to git gud.
:lol:
View post on Tera forums#27 HLK76PFWXT01/07/2018, 11:13 AM
3) I have been forced to relearn the game from scratch as most of the game is very different right now

This is the most proeminent thing out of all things written above and I have to tell you that exactly this kind of perspective is what makes this game and any other toxic: You were not forced to do any dungeon and none of the players stared you to death right after you set your foot in the dungeon but instead you decided to try this game or any other because you knew that it can or they can satisfy some of your desires.

And you could try to understand even the most simple of the mechanics from the game before hand and show that you are willing to put effort and come prepared in the slightest appreciating the effort that the other players are putting as well for the team.. instead of going completely underprepared and expecting others to do everything for you directly instigating the other players from your team to dislike you and be rude towards you ( actually, after going underprepared and expecting others to do everything for you then being blamed .. you still believe that you did nothing wrong looking for justice and this kind of perspective does not help anyone because it will only add oil to the fire so instead you could try to understand the game and go prepared next time ).

Anyway, you have no idea how many players queue for dungeons without trying to understand even the most simple of the mechanics such as the use of nostrum which is 10g at the broker? or the importance of crystal and the need to back crit in this game along with the importance of staying alive or accepting ressurection and not going AFK until the end of the dungeon then suddenly come back to loot when the last boss was killed.

And from your point of view the players that are not willing to do everything for the new players are elitist jerks but from their point of view it is a very tiring and never ending crusade where nothing really changes... because there is always that player that does nothing and expects everything.


p.s. consider your perpsective if you are looking for a change
View post on Tera forums#28 MidnightTune01/08/2018, 08:49 PM
Lol I think you completely missed the point.

Underprepared? What makes you assume that? I didn't know you viewed my entire contents of my inventory and on my person during this dungeon. I had some twistshard gear in this dungeon. I don't think yo ucan' really blame me for being underprepared. Excuse me for not having stormcry fresh lvl 65. I had the 50% health potions and I always pop a prime before any dungeon. I'd never even heard that nostrum exists so excuse me for not knowing the contents of everything in the game. I wasn't "expecting" to be carried and I have NO idea where you got this from at all. If anything, you're just believing literally whatever that (extremely rude and boorish) person is saying. Im not expecting to be carried because I had always thought I had been doing fine in these dungeons. There's nothing in the game that shows where you are at and what the par is. I actually had always thought I was doing everything correctly.

I never asked for anyone to do EVERYTHING for me and I ahve no idea where so many of you are getting this from. I'm simply pointing out the immediate toxicity I see without any calm attempt to help a brother out and you know not afk and humiliate me. I ever asked "hey kill the boss for me" and would never do that.

It's very odd how you assume Im immediately underprepared, as if "oh anyone whose toxic is probably in the right and you prolly are trash who is underprepared"
View post on Tera forums#29 CornishRex01/08/2018, 09:47 PM
Lol I think you completely missed the point.
I'd never even heard that nostrum exists so excuse me for not knowing the contents of everything in the game.

Excuse me but the game literally throws these at you and you can't enter a certain dungeon (kalivan's challenge) without having one on. Pls. Pls.

Second thing, yes you are underprepared for a dungeon if you didn't read up on a guide from youtube/forums/essential mana. It's a sad state we don't have proper guides on the site, but every player in ims SHOULD have the basic knowledge of the dungeon, less they want to trap their teammates for hours because they were too lazy to google.
You said to him you don't care you're doing badly so obviously you didn't care which flowers you need to kill, how it would help them, you never looked at the buff bar when you killed the flowers and were never able to deduce what killing each flower means. Frankly, a guide isn't even needed for this dungeon.
The guy who lashed out at you is a toxic idiot but let this be a lesson - prepare properly before going into a dungeon, and before you start a dungeon say you're new. Some people will be glad to help if they're aware of the situation.
And yes we do need ingame dps meters, badly.
View post on Tera forums#30 CassandraTR01/08/2018, 09:57 PM
@MidnightTune

Aoshikai...

Hmm your name looks familiar. Oh yea, you were the person yelling all kinds of racist things over several hours in global on Tempest Reach this weekend, saying things about south Americans, and then saying America is the worst country on the planet. The you went on some insane rambling about how Akasha's Hideout is a swastika and it should be removed from the game.

So... I'm pretty sure that you are the toxic one. Not surprising that when people call you out you became extremely defensive. Good luck with your gaming goals. You've already made a name for yourself on TR.
View post on Tera forums#31 ElinUsagi01/08/2018, 10:03 PM
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CornishRex wrote: »
Lol I think you completely missed the point.
I'd never even heard that nostrum exists so excuse me for not knowing the contents of everything in the game.

Excuse me but the game literally throws these at you and you can't enter a certain dungeon (kalivan's challenge) without having one on. Pls. Pls.

Second thing, yes you are underprepared for a dungeon if you didn't read up on a guide from youtube/forums/essential mana. It's a sad state we don't have proper guides on the site, but every player in ims SHOULD have the basic knowledge of the dungeon, less they want to trap their teammates for hours because they were too lazy to google.
You said to him you don't care you're doing badly so obviously you didn't care which flowers you need to kill, how it would help them, you never looked at the buff bar when you killed the flowers and were never able to deduce what killing each flower means. Frankly, a guide isn't even needed for this dungeon.
The guy who lashed out at you is a toxic idiot but let this be a lesson - prepare properly before going into a dungeon, and before you start a dungeon say you're new. Some people will be glad to help if they're aware of the situation.
And yes we do need ingame dps meters, badly.

People are not obligated to read guides or look at videos from streamers or yourtube channels.

These kind of behaviour from new gamers is what has been killing the fun on the games and that is to learn how to play it "playing it".
View post on Tera forums#32 ElinLove01/08/2018, 10:08 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
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CornishRex wrote: »
Lol I think you completely missed the point.
I'd never even heard that nostrum exists so excuse me for not knowing the contents of everything in the game.

Excuse me but the game literally throws these at you and you can't enter a certain dungeon (kalivan's challenge) without having one on. Pls. Pls.

Second thing, yes you are underprepared for a dungeon if you didn't read up on a guide from youtube/forums/essential mana. It's a sad state we don't have proper guides on the site, but every player in ims SHOULD have the basic knowledge of the dungeon, less they want to trap their teammates for hours because they were too lazy to google.
You said to him you don't care you're doing badly so obviously you didn't care which flowers you need to kill, how it would help them, you never looked at the buff bar when you killed the flowers and were never able to deduce what killing each flower means. Frankly, a guide isn't even needed for this dungeon.
The guy who lashed out at you is a toxic idiot but let this be a lesson - prepare properly before going into a dungeon, and before you start a dungeon say you're new. Some people will be glad to help if they're aware of the situation.
And yes we do need ingame dps meters, badly.

People are not obligated to read guides or look at videos from streamers or yourtube channels.

These kind of behaviour from new gamers is what has been killing the fun on the games and that is to learn how to play it "playing it".

totally agreed, and I'll keep calling this "do the homework method" forever, as it's just as stupid as asking someone to do homework for their games. It's a shame the game doesn't have any proper mechanics teaching system (it's obvious we shouldn't just obligate players to do this, they tried with mentor and look how it ended).
That being said it doesn't take much more than asking what to do in most dungeons, and like 90% will say what to do (that is, from the people that DO know what to do), the other 10% are divided between not wanting to say cause they're lazy and will say later during the run IF anything goes wrong, and the ones that just b!tch and are useless.
View post on Tera forums#33 CornishRex01/08/2018, 10:22 PM
ElinLove wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
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CornishRex wrote: »
Lol I think you completely missed the point.
I'd never even heard that nostrum exists so excuse me for not knowing the contents of everything in the game.

Excuse me but the game literally throws these at you and you can't enter a certain dungeon (kalivan's challenge) without having one on. Pls. Pls.

Second thing, yes you are underprepared for a dungeon if you didn't read up on a guide from youtube/forums/essential mana. It's a sad state we don't have proper guides on the site, but every player in ims SHOULD have the basic knowledge of the dungeon, less they want to trap their teammates for hours because they were too lazy to google.
You said to him you don't care you're doing badly so obviously you didn't care which flowers you need to kill, how it would help them, you never looked at the buff bar when you killed the flowers and were never able to deduce what killing each flower means. Frankly, a guide isn't even needed for this dungeon.
The guy who lashed out at you is a toxic idiot but let this be a lesson - prepare properly before going into a dungeon, and before you start a dungeon say you're new. Some people will be glad to help if they're aware of the situation.
And yes we do need ingame dps meters, badly.

People are not obligated to read guides or look at videos from streamers or yourtube channels.

These kind of behaviour from new gamers is what has been killing the fun on the games and that is to learn how to play it "playing it".

totally agreed, and I'll keep calling this "do the homework method" forever, as it's just as stupid as asking someone to do homework for their games. It's a shame the game doesn't have any proper mechanics teaching system (it's obvious we shouldn't just obligate players to do this, they tried with mentor and look how it ended).
That being said it doesn't take much more than asking what to do in most dungeons, and like 90% will say what to do (that is, from the people that DO know what to do), the other 10% are divided between not wanting to say cause they're lazy and will say later during the run IF anything goes wrong, and the ones that just b!tch and are useless.

Learning things is fun the first time you do it, and I don't mind doing that with new dungeons with my friends that have grasped how the game works and are smart enough to notice mechanics and buffs/debuffs and what happens when you touch this and when you destroy that etc.
Unfortunately this game centers around repetitive dungeons so you only really learn things once (and frankly I'm only feeling like getting stuck in a dungeon forever so many times...).
This is why in ims I expect people to know things to at least a basic level. If you want to learn without "doing the homework" sure thing bro, make a LEARNING LFG NO GUIDE run and knock it out with other people, you might get friends.
Mid and late patch it's expected of people to know basics of dungeons and it sucks for new players but it's just how the game works. I mean it's either read the guide or make me repeat the same thing over and over and over in ims because that's what I usually find myself doing in 439's. It saves time, it's convenient and prevents you from making a fool of yourself or giving a bad time to other party members.
If you want to goof around get friends to do it with, strangers usually want to get through runs fast and rarely are in the dungeon -only- for funsies.

Keep in mind when I ims I am prepared for these types of people, and I do queue mostly to have fun and carry newbies but I appreciate when the newbie says "hey I'm first time and I looked over the guide, mind explaining/confirming things".
View post on Tera forums#34 Lyanni01/08/2018, 10:31 PM
ElinLove wrote: »


totally agreed, and I'll keep calling this "do the homework method" forever, as it's just as stupid as asking someone to do homework for their games. It's a shame the game doesn't have any proper mechanics teaching system (it's obvious we shouldn't just obligate players to do this, they tried with mentor and look how it ended).
That being said it doesn't take much more than asking what to do in most dungeons, and like 90% will say what to do (that is, from the people that DO know what to do), the other 10% are divided between not wanting to say cause they're lazy and will say later during the run IF anything goes wrong, and the ones that just b!tch and are useless.

I usually dont think people should be forced to watch guides even tho i usually do before jumping in a new dungeon.
I dont mind explaining to them mid dungeon if they ask, and even if they dont ask and i see them doing things wrong i try to warn them what it should be done instead.

But then, there's that kind of people that cant comunicate with the teamates (eg. people that dont understand english), so it doesnt matter how much you try to explain, they wont understand. In that case, that the person in question knows they wont be able to ask / understand expanations of the teamates, would be nice to see a video or something beforehand.
I've seen people like that with a lot of runs in some dungeons that still dont understand the mechanics and trying to explain to them doesnt do anything cause they cant comunicate.
View post on Tera forums#35 Ardire01/08/2018, 11:20 PM
ElinLove wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
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CornishRex wrote: »
Lol I think you completely missed the point.
I'd never even heard that nostrum exists so excuse me for not knowing the contents of everything in the game.

Excuse me but the game literally throws these at you and you can't enter a certain dungeon (kalivan's challenge) without having one on. Pls. Pls.

Second thing, yes you are underprepared for a dungeon if you didn't read up on a guide from youtube/forums/essential mana. It's a sad state we don't have proper guides on the site, but every player in ims SHOULD have the basic knowledge of the dungeon, less they want to trap their teammates for hours because they were too lazy to google.
You said to him you don't care you're doing badly so obviously you didn't care which flowers you need to kill, how it would help them, you never looked at the buff bar when you killed the flowers and were never able to deduce what killing each flower means. Frankly, a guide isn't even needed for this dungeon.
The guy who lashed out at you is a toxic idiot but let this be a lesson - prepare properly before going into a dungeon, and before you start a dungeon say you're new. Some people will be glad to help if they're aware of the situation.
And yes we do need ingame dps meters, badly.

People are not obligated to read guides or look at videos from streamers or yourtube channels.

These kind of behaviour from new gamers is what has been killing the fun on the games and that is to learn how to play it "playing it".

totally agreed, and I'll keep calling this "do the homework method" forever, as it's just as stupid as asking someone to do homework for their games. It's a shame the game doesn't have any proper mechanics teaching system (it's obvious we shouldn't just obligate players to do this, they tried with mentor and look how it ended).
That being said it doesn't take much more than asking what to do in most dungeons, and like 90% will say what to do (that is, from the people that DO know what to do), the other 10% are divided between not wanting to say cause they're lazy and will say later during the run IF anything goes wrong, and the ones that just b!tch and are useless.

you both couldn't be more wrong, viewing reading/watching guides as "killing fun" or "homework" is your own damn [filtered] perspectives, don't throw it on everyone else. when i leveled my first level 60 to-be character years and years ago i watched a video before every single damn dungeon i went in (anyone remember that british dude who played an elin sorcerer? i think his name was meoni or something?), i'm talking BoL all the way up to KN and then would continue to watch videos of endgame level dungeons when i got there.

not once did it ever kill my fun or feel like homwork-- on the contrary i gained more fun having an idea of what was ahead of me and being somewhat prepared for it, i.e. knowing i wouldn't be a complete sandbagging arsehole to the rest of my team was fun. because unlike the majority of ya'll with your incredibly selfish, self-absorbed mentality (americans...) the idea of being the weakest link or even causing wipes for my party was stressful and unpleasant, being able to contribute felt good! as it's supposed to in an MMO game!!!! being a strong, useful member of your party is the reward of MMOs not your own personal feelings and goals. (i.e. "i want to go into this dungeon blind and learn cause that makes ME feel good! idc how my party feels about it or the possible stress i'll cause them with my ignorance!")

so why should i not hold other folk to the standards i held for myself? it's only fair. other people shouldn't have to suffer because you're going into an MMO with a solo-player game mentality. the world doesn't revolve around all ya'll, the sooner you realize that the better.
View post on Tera forums#36 ElinUsagi01/08/2018, 11:28 PM
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Ardire wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
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CornishRex wrote: »
Lol I think you completely missed the point.
I'd never even heard that nostrum exists so excuse me for not knowing the contents of everything in the game.

Excuse me but the game literally throws these at you and you can't enter a certain dungeon (kalivan's challenge) without having one on. Pls. Pls.

Second thing, yes you are underprepared for a dungeon if you didn't read up on a guide from youtube/forums/essential mana. It's a sad state we don't have proper guides on the site, but every player in ims SHOULD have the basic knowledge of the dungeon, less they want to trap their teammates for hours because they were too lazy to google.
You said to him you don't care you're doing badly so obviously you didn't care which flowers you need to kill, how it would help them, you never looked at the buff bar when you killed the flowers and were never able to deduce what killing each flower means. Frankly, a guide isn't even needed for this dungeon.
The guy who lashed out at you is a toxic idiot but let this be a lesson - prepare properly before going into a dungeon, and before you start a dungeon say you're new. Some people will be glad to help if they're aware of the situation.
And yes we do need ingame dps meters, badly.

People are not obligated to read guides or look at videos from streamers or yourtube channels.

These kind of behaviour from new gamers is what has been killing the fun on the games and that is to learn how to play it "playing it".

totally agreed, and I'll keep calling this "do the homework method" forever, as it's just as stupid as asking someone to do homework for their games. It's a shame the game doesn't have any proper mechanics teaching system (it's obvious we shouldn't just obligate players to do this, they tried with mentor and look how it ended).
That being said it doesn't take much more than asking what to do in most dungeons, and like 90% will say what to do (that is, from the people that DO know what to do), the other 10% are divided between not wanting to say cause they're lazy and will say later during the run IF anything goes wrong, and the ones that just b!tch and are useless.

you both couldn't be more wrong, viewing reading/watching guides as "killing fun" or "homework" is your own damn [filtered] perspectives, don't throw it on everyone else. when i leveled my first level 60 to-be character years and years ago i watched a video before every single damn dungeon i went in (anyone remember that british dude who played an elin sorcerer? i think his name was meoni or something?), i'm talking BoL all the way up to KN and then would continue to watch videos of endgame level dungeons when i got there.

not once did it ever kill my fun or feel like homwork-- on the contrary i gained more fun having an idea of what was ahead of me and being somewhat prepared for it, i.e. knowing i wouldn't be a complete sandbagging arsehole to the rest of my team was fun. because unlike the majority of ya'll with your incredibly selfish, self-absorbed mentality (americans...) the idea of being the weakest link or even causing wipes for my party was stressful and unpleasant, being able to contribute felt good! as it's supposed to in an MMO game!!!! being a strong, useful member of your party is the reward of MMOs not your own personal feelings and goals. (i.e. "i want to go into this dungeon blind and learn cause that makes ME feel good! idc how my party feels about it or the possible stress i'll cause them with my ignorance!")

so why should i not hold other folk to the standards i held for myself? it's only fair. other people shouldn't have to suffer because you're going into an MMO with a solo-player game mentality. the world doesn't revolve around all ya'll, the sooner you realize that the better.

You clearly couldnt play on a server where the content is released before others, because you dont get your videos, guides and info telling you what to do on it. :)

Who couldnt be more wrong?
View post on Tera forums#37 Ardire01/08/2018, 11:31 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
You clearly couldnt play on a server where the content is released before others, because you dont get your videos, guides and info telling you what to do on it. :)

Who couldnt be more wrong?

o [filtered], i didn't know this was the ktera forums!!! forgive me... korean overlords.....
View post on Tera forums#38 ElinUsagi01/08/2018, 11:42 PM
Ardire wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
You clearly couldnt play on a server where the content is released before others, because you dont get your videos, guides and info telling you what to do on it. :)

Who couldnt be more wrong?

o [filtered], i didn't know this was the ktera forums!!! forgive me... korean overlords.....

"going into an MMO with a solo-player game mentality"

Actually the solo-player mentality is what has driven people to read guides and look at videos. You already say it, is an MMO yet when you want to run a dungeon for the first time or you ask about something in the game is what people will tell you "read a guide, look a video....", where are you leaving the MMO in all that if you already kill in in the first step?

The way you decribe it is no more diferent than a bunch of solo players doing things like a robot, so much for a MMO right?
View post on Tera forums#39 Ardire01/08/2018, 11:51 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Ardire wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
You clearly couldnt play on a server where the content is released before others, because you dont get your videos, guides and info telling you what to do on it. :)

Who couldnt be more wrong?

o [filtered], i didn't know this was the ktera forums!!! forgive me... korean overlords.....

"going into an MMO with a solo-player game mentality"

Actually the solo-player mentality is what has driven people to read guides. You already say it, is an MMO yet when you want to run a dungeon for the dirst time or you ask about something in the game is what people will tell you "read a guide, look a video....", where are you leaving the MMO in al that if you already kill in in the first step?

i know what i said, fool. ktera players don't have no solo-player mentality, when they tackle a new dungeon for the first time they're all new, they're all learning, and they all wanna pull their weight. they're all on equal footing which is the entire point of what i said. if you're in a party and they know the dungeon and you don't you aren't all on equal footing, you're dragging them down.

"actually" nope, wrong, watching videos is what i did because i KNEW i was going to be playing with other, real people and i didn't want to let them down. group mentality. people tell you read guides right off the bat cause many dungeons are Lengthy to sit there and type out everything about them, no one wants to do that. but if you ask specific questions that show you know the idea but maybe not the details (i.e. "hey i know flowers spawn in RG, which ones should we hit?") people will 9 times out of 10 answer your question directly.

anyway, tired now. i said what i said and i'm good with it, ya'll have fun dragging your parties down into oblivion with you, i guess.
View post on Tera forums#40 ElinLove01/09/2018, 12:07 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
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Ardire wrote: »
ElinLove wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
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CornishRex wrote: »
Lol I think you completely missed the point.
I'd never even heard that nostrum exists so excuse me for not knowing the contents of everything in the game.

Excuse me but the game literally throws these at you and you can't enter a certain dungeon (kalivan's challenge) without having one on. Pls. Pls.

Second thing, yes you are underprepared for a dungeon if you didn't read up on a guide from youtube/forums/essential mana. It's a sad state we don't have proper guides on the site, but every player in ims SHOULD have the basic knowledge of the dungeon, less they want to trap their teammates for hours because they were too lazy to google.
You said to him you don't care you're doing badly so obviously you didn't care which flowers you need to kill, how it would help them, you never looked at the buff bar when you killed the flowers and were never able to deduce what killing each flower means. Frankly, a guide isn't even needed for this dungeon.
The guy who lashed out at you is a toxic idiot but let this be a lesson - prepare properly before going into a dungeon, and before you start a dungeon say you're new. Some people will be glad to help if they're aware of the situation.
And yes we do need ingame dps meters, badly.

People are not obligated to read guides or look at videos from streamers or yourtube channels.

These kind of behaviour from new gamers is what has been killing the fun on the games and that is to learn how to play it "playing it".

totally agreed, and I'll keep calling this "do the homework method" forever, as it's just as stupid as asking someone to do homework for their games. It's a shame the game doesn't have any proper mechanics teaching system (it's obvious we shouldn't just obligate players to do this, they tried with mentor and look how it ended).
That being said it doesn't take much more than asking what to do in most dungeons, and like 90% will say what to do (that is, from the people that DO know what to do), the other 10% are divided between not wanting to say cause they're lazy and will say later during the run IF anything goes wrong, and the ones that just b!tch and are useless.

you both couldn't be more wrong, viewing reading/watching guides as "killing fun" or "homework" is your own damn [filtered] perspectives, don't throw it on everyone else. when i leveled my first level 60 to-be character years and years ago i watched a video before every single damn dungeon i went in (anyone remember that british dude who played an elin sorcerer? i think his name was meoni or something?), i'm talking BoL all the way up to KN and then would continue to watch videos of endgame level dungeons when i got there.

not once did it ever kill my fun or feel like homwork-- on the contrary i gained more fun having an idea of what was ahead of me and being somewhat prepared for it, i.e. knowing i wouldn't be a complete sandbagging arsehole to the rest of my team was fun. because unlike the majority of ya'll with your incredibly selfish, self-absorbed mentality (americans...) the idea of being the weakest link or even causing wipes for my party was stressful and unpleasant, being able to contribute felt good! as it's supposed to in an MMO game!!!! being a strong, useful member of your party is the reward of MMOs not your own personal feelings and goals. (i.e. "i want to go into this dungeon blind and learn cause that makes ME feel good! idc how my party feels about it or the possible stress i'll cause them with my ignorance!")

so why should i not hold other folk to the standards i held for myself? it's only fair. other people shouldn't have to suffer because you're going into an MMO with a solo-player game mentality. the world doesn't revolve around all ya'll, the sooner you realize that the better.

You clearly couldnt play on a server where the content is released before others, because you dont get your videos, guides and info telling you what to do on it. :)

Who couldnt be more wrong?

*Your opinion is wrong, it's trash, and you should always think the way I said you should. Now go read all the guides to those hard/extreme mode dungeons that you don't want to do but I said you should otherwise you're a filthy casual.

@CornishRex and @Lyanni , just to clear things up, that's just as I see the thing, the way I have fun or not, I'm obviously not against people doing it, I'm against forcing it or this being the only way you can enter a dungeon. Whenever I want to enter a very hard dungeon that the team can't just explain mechanics on text, I do go check some guide/clear. And still, even if I did it, I really do learning runs, OR I enter the dungeon already saying LOUD AND CLEAR that I don't know the dungeon, so if they're not OK with a newcomer and teaching it, no hard feels, kick as you please. And it happens sometimes, heck I say it's my 2nd, 3rd or so run if I'm not 100% confident on it. It's just sad that the game itself won't do any other way of learning the dungeon than "trial and error" (Koreans gotta do this way) or "do the homework". I prefer the 1st method and like you two said, yeah I do enter learning runs or scream it at start so people know exactly what to expect. MANY people are 100% OK with it or just saying what I need and easy peasy go and try.

@Ardire honestly, your reply was downright funny. I mean you blew up because I don't like guides! I have no idea where did you take it that we are making others NOT read them or so, ultimately you did say it in your own comment it's OUR point of view? How come opinion on what's fun and what's not is wrong? Seriously, this was funny to be fair.

Some people need to take chill pills before their keyboards end with broken keys
Others have said it in this thread, but a Customer Support ticket is the way to go here. Include any screenshots you took. The player will be investigated, logs checked, and appropriate action taken depending on how severe the case and whether or not they have prior warnings.

For what it's worth, I'm really sorry that you ran into such jerky attitude in-game. All online games have rude people. You can't control what people say or think, and the hope is always that the negative ones are the minority and don't reflect the entire community.

In the case of actual harassment, though, it's important to speak up! That's when these support tickets are most important.

Also, thank you for scrubbing these screenshots of other player names and focusing on the topic of community toxicity vs. being angry at a single person. Callouts aren't allowed in the forums partly because we don't want a witch hunt here.
you loser time not shearch






no matter if you expect people to read guides or not, there is a right way and a wrong way to talk to people, and many people in game and on forums like to do it the wrong way. people shouldn't have to look up in other places other than tera itself to learn how to play tera. also it only takes a day or so running solo to get to level 65, so many don't have the experience to run endgame dungeons. even if they mess up, still be respectful to them. if they are being a troll or a [filtered] , then kick them. people not playing your way or dressed in the same costume or mount that you have isn't an excuse for cursing at someone. be nice to each other. games are supposed to be for fun.
View post on Tera forums#44 Maleficent9401/09/2018, 01:26 AM
Y’all toxic Asf. Coming from a Vet I’m sorry you had to Experience that @OP. If you're ever on MT I’m always happy to help :)

Chae.bu
View post on Tera forums#45 CandyMomoko01/09/2018, 02:15 AM
I wrote a super on point answer to this and it got eaten by the spam filter. Any way you guys can restore it.. if not I guess whatever like always
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I think is time to do something about that spam filter.. like removing it because people double and triple post regardless of it.

*I know this is kind of off-topic, sorry about that but it was relevant cause my post got eaten after trying to edit ONCE on this thread*
View post on Tera forums#46 ElinUsagi01/09/2018, 02:24 AM
Ardire wrote: »
i know what i said, fool. ktera players don't have no solo-player mentality, when they tackle a new dungeon for the first time they're all new, they're all learning, and they all wanna pull their weight. they're all on equal footing which is the entire point of what i said. if you're in a party and they know the dungeon and you don't you aren't all on equal footing, you're dragging them down.

"actually" nope, wrong, watching videos is what i did because i KNEW i was going to be playing with other, real people and i didn't want to let them down. group mentality. people tell you read guides right off the bat cause many dungeons are Lengthy to sit there and type out everything about them, no one wants to do that. but if you ask specific questions that show you know the idea but maybe not the details (i.e. "hey i know flowers spawn in RG, which ones should we hit?") people will 9 times out of 10 answer your question directly.

anyway, tired now. i said what i said and i'm good with it, ya'll have fun dragging your parties down into oblivion with you, i guess.

You clearly are confusing a PC game with an school test or a job activity.

And I didn't mentioned K-Tera, I obviously implied that you wont be able to do anything by your own means if you don't have a manual and video of how to do it, even the basic things on whatever game you can think of.

Instance Matching is first introduced in the game for players level 20 as their option to run dungeons with other players.

There are no rules about what you are talking so you are the one trying to force your standars on other players that are not doing anything wrong yet you are pissed because they don't meet your standars.

Have you read the tittle of the thread? Pretty much you are proving the point of the OP in this very thread and post.

The only things players need to follow are the Terms of Service and the Rules of Conduct. If you want to force your own standars on dungeon parties you can always ddo your own LFG or run with guild mates. It's a MMO after all, isn't?

OMG, the thread talks about an experience from a 2 star dungeons and you expect fresh level 65 players do the same stuff "the smallest" portion of the comunity do? I may expect that people in a LFG or a guild impose rules about knowledge of the game to join them but not on instance matching that is the thing these poor new players keep doing since level 20 just to get the love from others that can't stand they can't play like a veteran with hundred of games on each dungeon.

If I have to add something, that dungeon should not pose a treat for those who are flamming the OP yet they decided to harrassing him, I have seen this particular behaviour from some end-game players with full BiS and instead to just chill and let the dungeon end they start flame wars agaisnt fresh level 65 players because they don't meet their standars. That's the toxic behaviour the OP is talking about and that kind of attitude is something most publishers from many games despise and try to correct. You won't see publishers banning players for being bad but you will see publishers banning players for their toxic behaviours.

Riot once banned a player for not doing things as their team mates wanted and after that you clearly see what happened after that, Riot had to accept the unskilled and antimeta players and continue to impose bans at those who harrass them. Because the first two (unskilled and antimeta players) are not breaking the rules yet the ones being toxic and harrassing them did break the rules.

Maybe Tera need ban hammers like Riot does. I am pretty sure most of those toxic players incite other players to leave the game after all so it would not be a great lose, if anything getting rid of people that make you lose players is the best way of action.
View post on Tera forums#47 Furhyan01/09/2018, 06:31 AM
The funnest thing about this is that you have every single tool needed to report this guy. Like, he delivered what was needed on a silver plate.

I know the feeling though. Back when channelworks was still a thing, I was running on my zerk and surely, back then I was shredding those boss' butt. This brawler kept bashing be on making low dps even though I was +15 and blaaaa blaaaaa blaaaaa. I chose to be lazy. So I chose not to feed his little crybaby fits. I didn't care until he told me to kill myself. He went woth pretty details descriptions. And let him do all the work on the second boss and at the end, I decided to go ham on the third. He wasn't able to keep his aggro. I said nothing when it was over and left. But he gave me everything to report him.

I was shaking from anger. He told to go kill myself? Wtf is wrong in those sick heads tbh.
View post on Tera forums#48 Christin01/09/2018, 05:03 PM
The OP's post is exactly why many of us never play dungeons. People grind the dungeons and get extremely mad if anyone either slows them up or isn't pro. If you are pro, then they flip out when they mess up and blame you. Unfortunately, EME and BHS don't care much for solo players, which is extremely sad. Nothing is going to change no matter how many posts you make. The game is full to the brim with elitists and spoiled brats. Don't the forums pretty much prove my point? You can't even make a post criticizing the game without the above chiming in with their usual nasty and mean posts. The above are all over Tera, which is why many of us avoid dungeons, raids and parties like the plague. Even Kumas is toxic and that is meant for new players at level 20. Not even sure why I bother to post on these,because it's not like anything will change. Surely my post will be followed with "it's an mmo, so solo players should leave" and so on. Funny thing is that I play on other mmo's, and they are mainly solo content. You only interact with others if and when you want. They are the games growing like crazy now, unlike Tera.

You may think you have the choice to ignore or block the toxic players, but they most likely have already gone around telling everyone how bad you were in the dungeon. In fact, you're likely to start getting kicked from dungeons if they or anyone that has seen this thread is in your party. See, not only do the toxic people pick on you, but they encourage their friends, guild mates and anyone else that will give them attention to pick on you as well. Here's hoping they didn't call you out on global, or everyone would know. There's really nothing stopping them. I often see people getting trashed on global. The reporting system is a joke, so you either deal with it or leave.
View post on Tera forums#49 CornishRex01/09/2018, 05:33 PM
Christin wrote: »
The OP's post is exactly why many of us never play dungeons. People grind the dungeons and get extremely mad if anyone either slows them up or isn't pro. If you are pro, then they flip out when they mess up and blame you. Unfortunately, EME and BHS don't care much for solo players, which is extremely sad. Nothing is going to change no matter how many posts you make. The game is full to the brim with elitists and spoiled brats. Don't the forums pretty much prove my point? You can't even make a post criticizing the game without the above chiming in with their usual nasty and mean posts. The above are all over Tera, which is why many of us avoid dungeons, raids and parties like the plague. Even Kumas is toxic and that is meant for new players at level 20. Not even sure why I bother to post on these,because it's not like anything will change. Surely my post will be followed with "it's an mmo, so solo players should leave" and so on. Funny thing is that I play on other mmo's, and they are mainly solo content. You only interact with others if and when you want. They are the games growing like crazy now, unlike Tera.

You may think you have the choice to ignore or block the toxic players, but they most likely have already gone around telling everyone how bad you were in the dungeon. In fact, you're likely to start getting kicked from dungeons if they or anyone that has seen this thread is in your party. See, not only do the toxic people pick on you, but they encourage their friends, guild mates and anyone else that will give them attention to pick on you as well. Here's hoping they didn't call you out on global, or everyone would know. There's really nothing stopping them. I often see people getting trashed on global. The reporting system is a joke, so you either deal with it or leave.

Wow you're exaggerating! Tera has plenty of solo content and you can earn most by spamming low tier iod all day every day if you wanted to. Ace dungeons, Ghilie, Celestial arena or w.e, Echoes of Aranea, achievement hunting, world bosses, Island of Dawn. Plenty of solo content! You could even solo RG which is extremely easy to do in frostmetal so there's another one to your list!
I'm generally friendly in ims and somehow I never run into these overly toxic scumbags, weirdly enough. Is it because I know what I'm doing and I'm a team player? Not sure, but what I can tell you is I've been an ims nerd for quite a while now. I'm a masochist and a sucker for trap runs and most of the toxic players that I've encountered were actually kinda new.
Elitists usually hang around their guilds and lfgs. You will rarely run into a party of elitists in ims that will be extremely rude to you, this is such a rare occurrence for reals.
Also even though the guy in op's post is a complete idiot as stated many times before, he didn't get mad at OP because OP "wasn't a pro". He got mad at OP because OP didn't know the bare basics of the dungeon. You're really over-exaggerating this.

There was a time when I was a newbie and I didn't even know what attack speed scrolls were. I was lucky that some guy told me "use an attack speed scroll u [filtered]" cause otherwise I probably wouldn't have learned what that stuff was for a while. Idk why some people try so really hard in this thread to only point out the bad things and focus on them. People are rude in the heat of the moment, [filtered] happens. Just because you were [filtered] talked once or twice (could have been your fault without knowing actually!) seriously doesn't mean the whole community is like that, which it really is not.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to respond in this thread anymore.
View post on Tera forums#50 Tandria01/09/2018, 06:35 PM
I have tended to view MMORPGs as collections of Catch-22s. They all have Catch-22s and it comes down to managing the degree of suckage inherent in Catch-22s. I've found Tera to have one of the better Catch-22 balancing acts.

The universal Catch-22 is that you need to be in a guild to have top tier gear and you can't get into a guild without top tier gear. As a previous poster noted there's enough solo content to get into mid-level Stormcry which is unusual in the genre.

I hadn't considered this anything but a positive thing but another previous poster noted that if someone is spotted in Stormcry gear he's assumed to know what he's doing. This notion should be dismissed because I have a low level Stormcry weapon and high level Frostmetal gear and have yet to run my first dungeon - mostly because of the agony involved in doing so. If the gear is good enough to get into a guild then the "zero dungeon" thing can get you booted just as easily.

I guess I've been in game for a couple years on and off and in all that time I only saw one guild willing to teach a new level 65 and it was closed.

Homework? It'll never work until there's a "meta homework" resource that filters out the bad, the outdated and the indecipherable. Speaking generally one can go online and learn stuff but it's uncertain if you weren't better off not doing so. The vagaries of internet search algorithms produce some funny examples sometimes. A legitimate question about brawler rotations received the answer: "mash a bunch of buttons and everything on screen dies". What is perhaps less humorous is that, despite being several years old it's still the first hit to this day.

Thus the grand unified theory of Catch-22s. The only way to learn is by doing and the only way to actually do it is to join the guild that won't have you.

I don't see it ever changing unless there's a way to incentivize teaching a freshly minted 65. And, honestly, I don't even have speculation as to how this might happen. The fresh 65s are assumed, probably correctly so, to be a drag on a guild or poison to a PUG and getting ragged on similar to the OP is simply the only result that can come of the current system. But it's not like it's different anywhere else. Trash talking jerks are pretty much the inevitable result of a system that discourages spending time with new 65s. I expect we'll see a lot more of it before it becomes one particle better.

A guide / review aggregation service like Rotten Tomatoes except for online guides would make the "homework" meme workable but right now it's a steaming mess. Sometimes the quality isn't uniform even across a single site. But they're working for free so that's the best that could be expected.
View post on Tera forums#51 Furhyan01/09/2018, 07:09 PM
Every mmorpgs have its raging players community. I used to play solo but then decided to join casual guilds in order to make a few friends to run with. I avoid IM at all cost now. I can't stand it. Aaaand I avoid top HM dungeons cuz I don't feel like having to explain that I don't get certain mechs. I need more than 15 runs to understand sometimes.

Then again, I play for myself, not for others.
View post on Tera forums#52 Starkhoe01/09/2018, 07:27 PM
You're generally correct about scum acting as scum, though if you are going to attempt to raise awareness of obvious issues, wouldn't it be more effective to point out how blocking someone doesn't prevent them from mailing you, or harassing you on multiple accounts? that would be a better issue to tackle. Also, I would like to address some of the other things you mentioned.
I've never seen such an unwelcoming and toxic community ever since league. What's even more interesting is apparently this game doesn't care enough to even offer a report section. Toxicity is therefore encouraged as there are 0 repercussions. The fact that elitists exist in such large numbers and toxicity like this vvvvv is allowed is terrible. What's even worse is that these players are in fact protected as I am obliged to block out their names. I'm Aoshikai.

Pardon me for saying this, but have you been playing under a rock, Aoshikai? I`m saying this in accordance to you're own logic. I mean, did you go on League`s forums and submitted threads about toxicity? probably not. P.S: there is an option to report players. If you submit a full documentation of the event via the website itself (through the tech support), its more likely to get addressed.
There are several things I would actually like to note

3) There are plenty of online guides you can read to better inform yourself on all the changes (also answers 4).
5) The bright side is that good players don`t complain so much over game play, and sane players don't make a fuss over IMs (as being there, is on them) and low level dungeons. So to that end, I believe that those guys are probably not that far off from you're level of playing.
Apparently these people automatically assume that the player is supposed to automatically and immediately know everything about the dungeon and the fine math of the game before even playing it. It's a sickening and terrible and toxic assumption, and I've met a large amount of these toxic players (specifically in Ravenous Gorge, as these players can get away with it more because its smaller).

I understand why you got offended. The way that those guys behaved was unsightly and they are clearly lacking in common sense. You would win the moral argument, hands off. There is no excuse for how they behaved. However, in the same context, it also says a few things about you. Perhaps instead of hoping someone will teach you, then why don`t you teach yourself. Going into a dungeon without reading up or any prior knowledge about it (or about your class) is on you. Not doing that makes you come off as seeming entitled, and you did kind of provoke them with some of you're comments. I mean, if someone gets carried, which isn't a big deal, its much better to admit to it or to just stay silent. My point being.. those guys acted prideful, but so did you.
It's depressing that there are no veteran members that politely tell you these things AT ALL, as they either just stay silent and carry you (which does nothing for you in the long run, give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for life) or flame you without actually telling you . . . anything.

I don`t consider myself as being a veteran, but I do know a thing or two about this game, and about gaming in general. So I will give you some advice on what I think you should do. First off, I think you need to change you're attitude because the way that you are going about this, is wrong. I mean, even posting on the forum about this, wasn't a bright move imo. Anyway. So here`s how this goes: start by doing some online research, and NOT dismiss ALL the results you find, and give those a closer look. I mean, you said some guides were "outdated". Thats fair. Though if you're a returning player, then why are you nitpicking over nonsense? any information can be useful. Perhaps min-maxing won`t be an option for you at this point in time, but then again, that's not suppose to be you're objective, right? take what you can, and use what you can. Some of the online guides might not be up to date, I agree on that, but they are certainly not useless. One could argue about the validity and effectiveness of some of the guides, and many of them seem copy pasted. But no one can argue over the fact that is better to start from something, instead of starting from scratch. What you seem to have, is a "hand held mentality". My point being, is that I think you should shake that outta you're system.

The second point id like to bring up about this subject, is the process of trail and error. You said: "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for life". Cliches are nice, but what if the person that teaches you does it wrong? without any prior relevant information you would not being able to cross reference anything, which means that you would have no way of knowing if the teaching is correct, or even if the method itself was done in a way that actually fits you. Why become a burden and liability to the people around you, why be a bottom feeder, when you have access to all the tool to become self sufficient? raging over obvious issues doesn't make a difference. Don`t expect a hail Mary over noticing obvious things. Don`t become one of those people. If something bothers you, then do something about it.
View post on Tera forums#53 Septerra01/09/2018, 07:43 PM
Part of the problem is tera's ranking about becoming skilled after 5 runs. As soon as some of these people get that, they think they know it all and are always right. I happened to fill a KD run as a tank and after the boss did his rotating attack, a zerk in the party proclaimed i was moving to much. I proceeded to tell him that atk was not block-able and you can only get out of the way. He then said that he was skilled in KD and i was wrong. I just ignored him after that, which in turn made him even more mad to the point he said i was brain dead.

I usually just ignore these people, because i dont really care about these couch warriors. You will always find them in every mmo out there. But if they continued in PM, then reporting them is the best thing to do.
View post on Tera forums#54 Furhyan01/09/2018, 08:01 PM
Yeaaah the skilled rank is a very big issue.

I haven't spammed RK-9 NM like mad. I have 5 runs and considered skilled but I couldn't run it and not die. I am not skilled. After 10 or even 15 runs, I'd considered myself skilled. It should be like that.
View post on Tera forums#55 Furhyan01/09/2018, 08:05 PM
> @Septerra said:
> Part of the problem is tera's ranking about becoming skilled after 5 runs. As soon as some of these people get that, they think they know it all and are always right. I happened to fill a KD run as a tank and after the boss did his rotating attack, a zerk in the party proclaimed i was moving to much. I proceeded to tell him that atk was not block-able and you can only get out of the way. He then said that he was skilled in KD and i was wrong. I just ignored him after that, which in turn made him even more mad to the point he said i was brain dead.
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> I usually just ignore these people, because i dont really care about these couch warriors. You will always find them in every mmo out there. But if they continued in PM, then reporting them is the best thing to do.

Haha I once ran with a zerk like that. I usually keep my cool but that time, I told him to switch to tank and have fun. I blocked him, stopped tanking and waited. The rest of the team were guildmates so they knew my intention. Apparently, he was raging. Then I unblocked him and proceeded the rest of the dungeon and he kept quiet for the rest of the run.
View post on Tera forums#56 Septerra01/09/2018, 08:56 PM
Furhyan wrote: »
Yeaaah the skilled rank is a very big issue.

I haven't spammed RK-9 NM like mad. I have 5 runs and considered skilled but I couldn't run it and not die. I am not skilled. After 10 or even 15 runs, I'd considered myself skilled. It should be like that.

Exactly, unless this is the only dungeon you run, your always learning. Most people run several dungeons and its easy to forget the little things. Not till you run them over and over do you remember most of the critical things. 5 times might be good for 412's or easier, but not others. Not unless you have an amazing memory to remember everything from every dungeon. Which i will be the first to admit i don't.
View post on Tera forums#57 aeee9801/10/2018, 12:28 AM
It’s hard to swallow, but I feel like trashtalk is one of the ways to learn, maybe because I am used to it due to life issues.

Like you, I started the game barely doing allegedly 10% of the damage I am supposed to be doing. I had bad ping and a very crappy laptop. Toxic players are everywhere, even 3-4 years ago.

It took me a few days for me to learn how to rotate properly, making a friend who is skilled and can teach you stuff will make this journey a whole lot easier. It then took me about 2 months to figure out how to chase the back without wasting all your iframes.

Dungeons really don’t change much. The bigger problem is knowing your class well. Only by knowing the class you play well you can learn the dungeons easier. You can play the dungeon hundreds of times, but you will be only doing a bare fraction of your potential damage if you don’t even know to rotate or only hit the side/front of the boss. Sure the toxic players may make your day horrible, but they represent real feedback more often than not. Not all of them are perfect players, some might even be worse than you. But the chances are if they tell you to read a guide on your class, you are really playing your class badly.
View post on Tera forums#58 ElinLove01/10/2018, 12:47 AM
One thing I've mentioned before, is Heat of the moment.

It can make people normally not toxic become toxic on that short amount. Then, the reaction of who got the spills of that moment, may either calm it down, or set it ablaze badly.
Nothing justifies hunting down someone on whispers and harass on mails, but the in-game party chat having it's toxicity moments is normal. I would dare saying everyone has their toxic moments. When things are going crazy and you're button mashing for half an hour straight, your mind doesn't operate properly. That does induce some slight rage moments, or depending on person and circumstances maybe hard rage. The responses to this control loss will either bring it back to control or make it crash and burn. In OP's case, it crashed and burned violently not only there but here. They sure did start with toxicity, and I'm in no position to say it was just a heat of the moment thing or normal behavior of that individual tho.

It's actually funny that I've been on runs where I sucked and got the likes of "WTF (my char's name)!! What the F are you doing?" and more, then I go like "OOPS Sorry!" and proceed to fix it and it usually ends on some "ayy lmao don't s-u-c-k bro!" and rest of the run goes well, maybe even end as friends. Actually, MANY times I've become friends with people who called out my messes, sometimes on the verge of (or downright) toxic way. That's entirely personal tho, of how much you're wiling to take, and I think this tolerance will grow with time too, it's partially a matter of "thick skin" and always assuming you suck, until you can rub on one's face that's not the case. And then, boy you need strong arguments to prove that. Usually on those cases tho, the rest of the party will also agree with you.

That "always assume you s-uck until you can rub on other's face you don't" mentality makes you accept corrections easily, and it should always be leveled to what you're doing. If you're on a dungeon you've carried people through many times, you will likely just laugh when people call out you as doing a bad job (LKNM Hello! Brawler saying I wasn't healing enough when he/she was getting ALL mechanics wrong and eating all hits), since you will likely BE doing a good job there. But when you can actually see they're epic good, you do take the advice. When you do some new stuff you weren't used to, you do take the advice. When you're the one in the "senpai" chair then you do give the advice.
View post on Tera forums#59 papy10k01/10/2018, 12:48 AM
We are going to take care of it, Don't worry about it.
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View post on Tera forums#60 MidnightTune01/10/2018, 12:50 AM
@MidnightTune

Aoshikai...

Hmm your name looks familiar. Oh yea, you were the person yelling all kinds of racist things over several hours in global on Tempest Reach this weekend, saying things about south Americans, and then saying America is the worst country on the planet. The you went on some insane rambling about how Akasha's Hideout is a swastika and it should be removed from the game.

So... I'm pretty sure that you are the toxic one. Not surprising that when people call you out you became extremely defensive. Good luck with your gaming goals. You've already made a name for yourself on TR.

I have no idea where you got this from at all as I am Latin American. I never claimed America is the worst country as I live in America and love it. I dont love its government and I did express anger towards its government as a side note. I neverm entioned how Akasha's Hideout shoud be REMOVED from the game, was merely pointing it out and questioning the ethic-icy of it. Racist? Right as someone who is a strong advocate for young black youth in my community against institutional racism and a strong advocate for DACA and against well the entirety of the South, you can't really pull something like that on me.

@Spacecats i made a ticket 3 or 4 days ago (whenever this occured I dont remember)
View post on Tera forums#61 Furhyan01/10/2018, 02:27 AM
Trash talk is trash. I don't agree and won't swallow that at all. I've help many priests in simple dungeons and felt much greater when they were actually surprised that someone actually HELPED them instead of screaming at them that they sucked.

I guess people have their own ways X)
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