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TERA PC - General Discussion: Permanent Crystal Bind Being Removed...[Discussion]
TERA PC - General Discussion#1 iLucky12/13/2017, 03:27 PM
If anyone has read the most recent patch notes, you will notice one particular change which I think is a huge loss in QoL for almost no reward. Why remove the continuous crystal bind which was one of the best changes to elite for 20 achievement points?
To unblock elite status players from gaining the “Imperfect Crystals” and “Ideal Crystals” achievements, we have changed how we deliver Crystalbinding to those players:

We have removed Continuous Crystalbind from elite status player accounts.
We have added four Complete Veteran Crystalbinds (6 hours) to the daily Elite Consumable Box so players can decide if they want to run with or without Complete Crystalbinds.

Imperfect Crystals
Points : 10
Achievement: Lost 30 crystals due to death.

Ideal Crystlas
Points : 10
Achievement: Die 30 times without losing crystals. CCB cannot be applied. (Crystals don't break 100% of the time so you need to die 30 times and have no crystals break).

It is worth noting that these two achievements are HIDDEN. As in, they don't even show up in the achievement list. Any new player wouldn't even know they existed since they hid it and IMO they shouldn't even be counted towards the total. Plus, the way achievements work, there is actually no need to get 100% achievements. In other words, you don't need to get them to get the best laurel in the game. With some help, only one thread about the crystals being an issue located here.

Now, the point of this thread overall. Why is this amazing change to ccb/elite being reverted for almost no opposition? I understand there are 4 ccb's being given in the consumable box, but the quantity of the crystal binds was never the issue. I'm sure some might struggle, but I have almost 500 ccb's in the bank and I'm sure there are people with even more. Plus it is just ICING on this crappy cake that they are complete veteran crystalbinds rather than regular complete crystalbinds so they wont even stack in the bank with the other one. Is this going to be like braveries soon where I have 5 stacks of braveries from all the different variants? Also, they drop from multiple area's and are dirt cheap on broker.

Anyways, back to the point. The issue was repopping them whenever it ran out. I'm sure everyone who's done end game or played the game in general have had times where ccb ran out and you forget to repop it and lose a crystal. This change prevented that completely and was a really nice QoL change. Most achievement hunters would have gotten this achievement way before the changes to elite were made, and if there are new players who really want to try and be a completionist, they should just delay renewing their elite for 10 minutes and get the achievement and then renew. The fact that 99% of players probably wouldn't think twice about that achievement and its being changed seems slightly biased. If anything, these should just be moved to special where they don't count towards the total score or points. I think there are almost 25000 achievement points and losing my continous crystalbind for 0.08% of the total achievement points seems stupid.
Sounds like yet another on the endless list of things that would just be solved simply with an enable/disable toggle.

But ya know, they all know always what is better for us and what we should want or not after all...


Can't they also just make a stupid equipment that you, well, equip and it keeps the CCB effect always while equipped? Whatever about hurr durr economy make it expensive then if that ever was an issue.
More inventory clutter.
Removal of a QoL advancement for elite, one I was quite happy to see since well getting changess it elite is far and few inbetween.
and yeah why not just two normal 12hour ccb's a day..

or even better yet. New icon on elite bar.
click it, gives that char ccb till next elite reset time
e-z done.

TERA PC - General Discussion#4 Rxkt12/13/2017, 03:52 PM
maybe keep the permanent elite crystalbind on and allow a normal crystal bind (1 use, 1 hour) override the elite crystalbind effect. that way people can decide to break crystals, and everyone doesn't need to click on any crystalbinds to keep the effect.
TERA PC - General Discussion#5 aeee9812/13/2017, 03:54 PM
Well...

Biggest problem is not being able to toggle on/off ccb. And I really believe a feature to toggle ccb is not that hard to code efficiently without overhead.

CCBs dropped to ridiculously low prices so that isn't really a problem. Even if I run 16 characters a day I wouldn't be able to use up all of my stashed ccbs from IoD. The bigger problem is the implementation felt extremely lazy since there are so many ways to do it better and code-wise isn't actually that much of a problem

Yeah I thought the ccb addition to elite was a great change, and it made elite seem more valuable to me even though the hunters xp and gold boosts don't feel super impactful anymore. The increased dungeons will always be the main draw, but I thought the current ccb change was a great one and the new changes are a step backwards in pushing elite to a better spot.
This is so sad...again we have to remember about ccb. Which means even more ccb in events. Frustrated
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "BUT MY ACHIEVEMENTS REMOVE IT (or toggle)
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues
TERA PC - General Discussion#9 iLucky12/13/2017, 04:01 PM
Vinyltails wrote: »
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "BUT MY ACHIEVEMENTS REMOVE IT (or toggle)
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

The problem is that there wasn't that much opposition to it. I checked forum history and only ONE thread was created about it, hardly that much opposition to the idea. That's why I don't get why the change was made. It probably was a small handful of users who ruined it for everyone else.
TERA PC - General Discussion#10 c0g12/13/2017, 04:14 PM
iLucky wrote: »
Vinyltails wrote: »
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "BUT MY ACHIEVEMENTS REMOVE IT (or toggle)
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

The problem is that there wasn't that much opposition to it. I checked forum history and only ONE thread was created about it, hardly that much opposition to the idea. That's why I don't get why the change was made. It probably was a small handful of users who ruined it for everyone else.

Let me just say it out straight - this small handful of achievement-seeking monkeys are a bunch of monkeys.
TERA PC - General Discussion#11 Luniack12/13/2017, 04:18 PM
There two possible ways to fix it:

make an option in Elite bar for turn CCB on/off ( will be great for people who wants screenshots their characters without CCB effect ).

or

turn those achievements ( irrelevant to be honest because, 20 points? really ??? ) legacy.
TERA PC - General Discussion#12 iLucky12/13/2017, 04:20 PM
Luniack wrote: »
There two possible ways to fix it:

make an option in Elite bar for turn CCB on/off ( will be great for people who wants screenshots their characters without CCB effect ).

or

turn those achievements ( irrelevant to be honest because, 20 points? really ??? ) legacy.

Agreed, it's also worth noting that they removed the crystalbind bubble effect in latest patch! So you wont even see that on your character anymore for screenshots!
Luniack wrote: »
There two possible ways to fix it:

make an option in Elite bar for turn CCB on/off ( will be great for people who wants screenshots their characters without CCB effect ).

or

turn those achievements ( irrelevant to be honest because, 20 points? really ??? ) legacy.

I support either of these.

Moving it to legacy would make it not count at all towards laurels and then subscribers could have their CCB buff on all the time by going back to 24/7 CCB

Making a switch with on-by-default would require coding, but could also means that you could blast your way through the achievement and then forget about it for the rest of your characters life.
TERA PC - General Discussion#14 c0g12/13/2017, 04:23 PM
iLucky wrote: »
Luniack wrote: »
There two possible ways to fix it:

make an option in Elite bar for turn CCB on/off ( will be great for people who wants screenshots their characters without CCB effect ).

or

turn those achievements ( irrelevant to be honest because, 20 points? really ??? ) legacy.

Agreed, it's also worth noting that they removed the crystalbind bubble effect in latest patch! So you wont even see that on your character anymore for screenshots!

@Spacecats, please fix this please please please please please please please please please please don't ruin it for us.
We have added four Complete Veteran Crystalbinds (6 hours) to the daily Elite Consumable Box so players can decide if they want to run with or without Complete Crystalbinds.

What if I dont want to open the daily elite consumable box though ? Has Eme thought about this ? Coding in a simple toggle on toggle off function too hard for you fellas ?
Two boring achievements are not worth the loss of a nice feature, that or add a toggle, don't come as if that's hard to do or not good at all, please.

I don't use Elite but i don't see any reason for this to go again, over two achievements that could as someone said above just added to legacy since they serve barely any purpose on the game nowadays.
Maybe if an in game toggle isn't possible, an account setting toggle would be? (like, changing it in the account settings page on the official site?)

I mean, the beauty of Continuous Crystalbind is that it's permanently on all the time and that it applies to your whole account. Complete Veteran Crystalbinds are just a waste of inventory space, and could only be used by 4 characters (maybe less if you play more with one or two).

Frankly this is one of the better stuff that has been done to elite (I'm looking at you, Gold Boost). Why does it almost always have to be a step backwards?
Also, more items in the inventory means more, larger packets being spammed to the server whenever you use an item, because your inventory is called twice whenever you use an item, be it nocts, potions or CCB. Once to check what is in there, once to update it. More items in there means more data to process.
I wonder who were the inbred morons who complained enough to make EME change the permanent CCB...
c0g wrote: »
iLucky wrote: »
Vinyltails wrote: »
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "BUT MY ACHIEVEMENTS REMOVE IT (or toggle)
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

The problem is that there wasn't that much opposition to it. I checked forum history and only ONE thread was created about it, hardly that much opposition to the idea. That's why I don't get why the change was made. It probably was a small handful of users who ruined it for everyone else.

Let me just say it out straight - this small handful of achievement-seeking monkeys are a bunch of monkeys.

How mature of yourself.
Humans are worst than monkeys, I assure you.

The way this was implemented in the first place disregarded the achievements themselves.
Instead of making it a proper way (such as the toggle function mentioned by @CarnalCherry145 ), they decided to follow the easy way.
Which is predictable.
The current system is hindering achievement hunters in case they're elite.
This required to be removed or changed.

As I said many times in the past:
Only because it doesn't have value for you, doesn't mean it doesn't have value for others.
Well, as usual, NA-specific contents are often messed up by KTERA content which is considered as DEFAULT. Permanent CCB is not in KTERA, it is NA-specific content (maybe as well as some other region, but definitely not KTERA). So they do not need to worry about those achievements. Therefore, KTERA and BHS will not work anything about those achievement since they do not have any issue on it.

As we all know, EME has very limited access to change TERA content something like Elite perks, TERA store, and Event stuff. This means EME cannot make any change in achievement so that they have to change the perma CCB from Elite perk. So those achievement will still remain, and EME has to make those achievements achievable by removing forced-permanent CCB.

Of course I agree that this kind of discussion is valuable for the entire TERA region, and eventually reaches to BHS via EME. However, as long as BHS/KTERA do not need to make a change on it and this issue does not affect their TERA, I do not think BHS will make any change on those achievements.
Again EME.
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TERA PC - General Discussion#23 Tewii12/13/2017, 05:05 PM
Margarethe wrote: »
The current system is hindering achievement hunters in case they're elite.
This required to be removed or changed.
.

Or just don't renew your elite. Hello? Get up to speed, would you?
TERA PC - General Discussion#24 c0g12/13/2017, 05:08 PM
Let me just say it out straight - this small handful of achievement-seeking inbred monkeys are a bunch of inbred monkeys.
Tewii wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
The current system is hindering achievement hunters in case they're elite.
This required to be removed or changed.
.

Or just don't renew your elite. Hello? Get up to speed, would you?

I have them myself.
Done when elite ran out, quite a poor way though.

Unless I'm mistaken, there's an old discount from recurring subscription.
Those players would be unable to cancel.
even if they will agree to make it toggle on off it will take one more year to make lol

btw no one mentioned that it was our elite perk. Two crystalbinds in consumables are doubtful "perk" if we will think that 12hr ccb drops from everywhere like candies and has miserable price. Yet we didn't get those upgrades that were promised to us except those permaccb. But we loosing our main useful actually perk.
Tewii wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
The current system is hindering achievement hunters in case they're elite.
This required to be removed or changed.
.

Or just don't renew your elite. Hello? Get up to speed, would you?

Yes, wait a month every time you wish to get those achievements. Makes sense /s
Vinyltails wrote: »
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "BUT MY ACHIEVEMENTS REMOVE IT (or toggle)
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

Amused, this is the version I see:
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "WHAT A USELESS FEATURE!"
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues
TERA PC - General Discussion#29 Tewii12/13/2017, 05:16 PM
Margarethe wrote: »
Tewii wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
The current system is hindering achievement hunters in case they're elite.
This required to be removed or changed.
.

Or just don't renew your elite. Hello? Get up to speed, would you?

I have them myself.
Done when elite ran out, quite a poor way though.

Unless I'm mistaken, there's an old discount from recurring subscription.
Those players would be unable to cancel.

Then contact support and get it back, explaining that you did it for the achievement. People have gotten their discount back for less. Not that this achievement is at all important.
Tewii wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
The current system is hindering achievement hunters in case they're elite.
This required to be removed or changed.
.

Or just don't renew your elite. Hello? Get up to speed, would you?

Yes, wait a month every time you wish to get those achievements. Makes sense /s

Yes, so the rest of the population who doesn't care about a =========== 20 point ============ achievement can actually get the benefits of permanent CCB.

The entitlement is grating.
TERA PC - General Discussion#30 iLucky12/13/2017, 05:17 PM
Tewii wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
The current system is hindering achievement hunters in case they're elite.
This required to be removed or changed.
.

Or just don't renew your elite. Hello? Get up to speed, would you?

Yes, wait a month every time you wish to get those achievements. Makes sense /s

Those achievements are not a gatekeeper by any means for any laurel. They are 20 points and not even in the achievement list. They shouldn't be counted at all. The in-between elite is just a possible solution for those that passionate about 20 points. If they really want to ruin an amazing QoL for majority of the TERA population and feel that strongly about it; I think they'd wait 10 minutes to renew elite to get it. Once its done, they will NEVER THINK ABOUT THAT ACHIEVEMENT for the rest of the characters playtime.

If you asked almost any player to trade 20 of their achievement points for a continuous complete crystal bind for EVERY one of their characters, I would think that only 1/10th of a percentage would consider the 20 points let alone do it. Like I stated in the original post, I get why it was changed but the weight of bias for it is the part that bothered me. Just look at this thread, a HIGH majority of people want the ccb over the 20 points yet it was changed for them and not the majority? I understand you can't make everyone happy, but in this case the weight is shifted way to far in the opposite direction.
TERA PC - General Discussion#31 iLucky12/13/2017, 05:20 PM
Margarethe wrote: »
Vinyltails wrote: »
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "BUT MY ACHIEVEMENTS REMOVE IT (or toggle)
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

Amused, this is the version I see:
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "WHAT A USELESS FEATURE!"
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

I really don't see anyone who said it was a useless feature. Find me a post about someone who said this. In fact, people went out of their way to compliment this decision AFAIK.

And like I mentioned, free 6 hour crystalbinds hardly fix the issue. It is using them and repopping them. I play on four characters so now I need to stagger them constantly and open it on one character and get it out of the bank every day?
iLucky wrote: »
Tewii wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
The current system is hindering achievement hunters in case they're elite.
This required to be removed or changed.
.

Or just don't renew your elite. Hello? Get up to speed, would you?

Yes, wait a month every time you wish to get those achievements. Makes sense /s

Those achievements are not a gatekeeper by any means for any laurel. They are 20 points and not even in the achievement list. They shouldn't be counted at all. The in-between elite is just a possible solution for those that passionate about 20 points. If they really want to ruin an amazing QoL for majority of the TERA population and feel that strongly about it; I think they'd wait 10 minutes to renew elite to get it. Once its done, they will NEVER THINK ABOUT THAT ACHIEVEMENT for the rest of the characters playtime.

If you asked almost any player to trade 20 of their achievement points for a continuous complete crystal bind for EVERY one of their characters, I would think that only 1/10th of a percentage would consider the 20 points let alone do it. Like I stated in the original post, I get why it was changed but the weight of bias for it is the part that bothered me. Just look at this thread, a HIGH majority of people want the ccb over the 20 points yet it was changed for them and not the majority? I understand you can't make everyone happy, but in this case the weight is shifted way to far in the opposite direction.
Tewii wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
Tewii wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
The current system is hindering achievement hunters in case they're elite.
This required to be removed or changed.
.

Or just don't renew your elite. Hello? Get up to speed, would you?

I have them myself.
Done when elite ran out, quite a poor way though.

Unless I'm mistaken, there's an old discount from recurring subscription.
Those players would be unable to cancel.

Then contact support and get it back, explaining that you did it for the achievement. People have gotten their discount back for less. Not that this achievement is at all important.
Tewii wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
The current system is hindering achievement hunters in case they're elite.
This required to be removed or changed.
.

Or just don't renew your elite. Hello? Get up to speed, would you?

Yes, wait a month every time you wish to get those achievements. Makes sense /s

Yes, so the rest of the population who doesn't care about a =========== 20 point ============ achievement can actually get the benefits of permanent CCB.

The entitlement is grating.

OK, guys? I'm not talking about the perm CCB being removed here (I, too, liked my perm CCB), I'm making fun of the "solution" used to get around that, because it's ridiculous.

I completely agree that they shouldn't have removed the perm CCB just for that, for the record.
TERA PC - General Discussion#33 c0g12/13/2017, 05:27 PM
@Spacecats What do we need to do to get the Perm CCB back?
TERA PC - General Discussion#34 Tewii12/13/2017, 05:36 PM
OK, guys? I'm not talking about the perm CCB being removed here (I, too, liked my perm CCB), I'm making fun of the "solution" used to get around that, because it's ridiculous.

I completely agree that they shouldn't have removed the perm CCB just for that, for the record.

Then if they care about the achievement that much, they should value the effort they went through to cancel their sub and do their achievement farm by using said solution more than the points themselves. Makes those ~20 worthless points~ that much more valuable!

Ex
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iLucky wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
Vinyltails wrote: »
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "BUT MY ACHIEVEMENTS REMOVE IT (or toggle)
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

Amused, this is the version I see:
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "WHAT A USELESS FEATURE!"
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

I really don't see anyone who said it was a useless feature. Find me a post about someone who said this. In fact, people went out of their way to compliment this decision AFAIK.

And like I mentioned, free 6 hour crystalbinds hardly fix the issue. It is using them and repopping them. I play on four characters so now I need to stagger them constantly and open it on one character and get it out of the bank every day? All of this because 10 people on the game want 20 achievement points? I'd say look at your own advice from earlier

Only because it doesn't have value for you, doesn't mean it doesn't have value for others.

The value in this case ruins probably 95%+ of the population while 5 percent (very generous btw, my actual guess would be 0.25% or lower) get to get a useless achievement that they will never think twice about after getting it.

Odd, was positive I saw those.
Was unable to find any.
Apologies, I was incorrect.

*Chuckle*
When did I say I do not value it?
Only said it isn't fair to those hunting achievements.

I agree removing it isn't the best solution though.
Margarethe wrote: »
iLucky wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
Vinyltails wrote: »
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "BUT MY ACHIEVEMENTS REMOVE IT (or toggle)
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

Amused, this is the version I see:
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "WHAT A USELESS FEATURE!"
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

I really don't see anyone who said it was a useless feature. Find me a post about someone who said this. In fact, people went out of their way to compliment this decision AFAIK.

And like I mentioned, free 6 hour crystalbinds hardly fix the issue. It is using them and repopping them. I play on four characters so now I need to stagger them constantly and open it on one character and get it out of the bank every day? All of this because 10 people on the game want 20 achievement points? I'd say look at your own advice from earlier

Only because it doesn't have value for you, doesn't mean it doesn't have value for others.

The value in this case ruins probably 95%+ of the population while 5 percent (very generous btw, my actual guess would be 0.25% or lower) get to get a useless achievement that they will never think twice about after getting it.

Odd, was positive I saw those.
Was unable to find any.
Apologies, I was incorrect.

*Chuckle*
When did I say I do not value it?
Only said it isn't fair to those hunting achievements.

I agree removing it isn't the best solution though.

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TERA PC - General Discussion#37 neoak12/13/2017, 05:54 PM
So wait, you are removing something of actual value for Elite so that a few people can get 20 points in achievements?

Nice way to devaluate the Elite subscription further. You already started doing it when you made the Elite Dungeon Reset Scroll be only for certain dungeons. You add something that is really nice (CCB) and then remove it.

Now I have to deal with managing another consumable in the game thanks to those who want 20 achievement points more. Gee, thanks guys.

For the record, not having to deal with so many consumables was the idea behind the removal of the Stamina system, most of the scrolls and potions. So you are going against that.
6R1MM01R3 wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
iLucky wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
Vinyltails wrote: »
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "BUT MY ACHIEVEMENTS REMOVE IT (or toggle)
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

Amused, this is the version I see:
BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
Players: "WHAT A USELESS FEATURE!"
BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"

The cycle continues

I really don't see anyone who said it was a useless feature. Find me a post about someone who said this. In fact, people went out of their way to compliment this decision AFAIK.

And like I mentioned, free 6 hour crystalbinds hardly fix the issue. It is using them and repopping them. I play on four characters so now I need to stagger them constantly and open it on one character and get it out of the bank every day? All of this because 10 people on the game want 20 achievement points? I'd say look at your own advice from earlier

Only because it doesn't have value for you, doesn't mean it doesn't have value for others.

The value in this case ruins probably 95%+ of the population while 5 percent (very generous btw, my actual guess would be 0.25% or lower) get to get a useless achievement that they will never think twice about after getting it.

Odd, was positive I saw those.
Was unable to find any.
Apologies, I was incorrect.

*Chuckle*
When did I say I do not value it?
Only said it isn't fair to those hunting achievements.

I agree removing it isn't the best solution though.

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TERA PC - General Discussion#39 TYoung1112/13/2017, 05:57 PM
Just my 2 cents...the perma CCB was one of the BEST recent changes... I don't care about ccb, it's cheap and easy to farm. Not having to worry about forgetting it was AMAZING. 6hour CCB's are 10x worse...more chances to forget to apply. PLEASE DO NOT DO THIS. :(
Hey guys, on the other hand we get gold boosters for being elites. They are very usef.... oh, wait. Never mind
streetdog wrote: »
Hey guys, on the other hand we get gold boosters for being elites. They are very usef.... oh, wait. Never mind

Both, gold booster and the permanent crystalbind are not very useful.

Those are not what makes elite worth... there is almost nothing that makes elite worth but a couple of things at most.

The perma CCB was a small QoL, something that could be done with the everful nostrum. Removing it won't affect you at all since there are so easy to get, however removing that perk is not the way to solve things.

As many have said 20 points for achievements are not worth to get rid of a QoL perk.

Talking about other matters
We removed Quarter-Day Signs from vendors.

:cry:
Man now open your Elite Consumable Boxes, half of your inventory goes full lols The heck :neutral:
TERA PC - General Discussion#43 neoak12/13/2017, 06:17 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
streetdog wrote: »
Hey guys, on the other hand we get gold boosters for being elites. They are very usef.... oh, wait. Never mind

Both, gold booster and the permanent crystalbind are not very useful.

Those are not what makes elite worth... there is almost nothing that makes elite worth but a couple of things at most.

The perma CCB was a small QoL, something that could be done with the everful nostrum. Removing it won't affect you at all since there are so easy to get, however removing that perk is not the way to solve things.

As many have said 20 points for achievements are not worth to get rid of a QoL perk.

Talking about other matters
We removed Quarter-Day Signs from vendors.

:cry:


Gold booster was useful when gold was expensive, hard to get and mobs dropped it in decent quantities. That has been eroded over the years, and gold drops were nerfed even before the gold boost was introduced (Three Towers was a heavy gold farming spot back in 2012, when 30 days subscriptions as Chronoscrolls used to cost 2000 gold in the broker)

Crystalbind is a perk to counter an obsolete system from when TERA was P2P. Back then, crystals could be bought from vendors, best ones were dungeon drops only and Zyrks were obtainable by grinding dailies/reputation. This was an effective goldsink. Same as the old Masterwork when you bought Masterwork Alkahest from the Specialty Vendor for 30g ea, etc.

Funny enough, Crystals used to be obtainable as RNG from the Destiny/Lucky Eggs in KR and in NA open beta. That was removed in NA launch and made crystals really expensive at the beginning due to breakage.

Now, crystal breakage should have been removed with the Stamina system.

It is something useful to have, and it gives the Elite sub a small incentive to have.
TERA PC - General Discussion#44 DXM12/13/2017, 06:23 PM
This is terrible. I really enjoyed continuous crystalbind and I don't want to go back to having to manage if crystalbind is still active or not.
Orrr community lets all tape our mouths shut and face the consequences of our own actions and words -Mind blown-

As for the toggle on and off switch for perma ccb, bad idea can lead to spaghetti coding and bugs beyond imaginable and or possible leads to exploits, cause we all know how ethical this community really is js.

Possible solution:

Upon reaching level 65 you are given a pet as well as some automatic achievements through the eme system at some point as an auto completion method. Now call me a conspiracy type of guy but what if.. and I know this might seem extreme... but what if the already hidden achievement that people care so little for just get auto completed at 65 and the rewards get sent via the Parcel Post as did the Allemantheia[Yes, I opened my Village Atlas to type this correctly] achievement and whatever other achievement that gave that random pet to us all upon log in. This thus creates a win / win situation on behalf of EME not having to completely revamp and change stuff that affects the community[Yes, you children], every other major patch that occurs. Cause we all know how hard you guys floor in CR. BOL. and the other earlier dungeons which then meets the criteria for both achievements anyways.

That or just turn perma CCB off pre 65 and give them the chance then, either way it's only 20 points and people achieve hunt after they really have nothing else to do during patches.

Call it toxic sure, I call it bringing realization and a simple solution. Any questions, comments, concerns, hate remarks pm it my way instead of flooding the forum with dumb [filtered] posting thanks guys. c:
TERA PC - General Discussion#46 neoak12/13/2017, 06:29 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
Man now open your Elite Consumable Boxes, half of your inventory goes full lols The heck :neutral:

You have no idea how right you are on that:

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I don't know if this was brought up already, but aren't those legacy cheevos? Meaning that even if someone were to go out of their way to accomplish either task, it would be worth somewhere in between "f**k" and "all" since legacy cheevo point values are rendered null.

So unless there's a spiffy title to get out of this, I also see absolutely no benefit.
SageWindu wrote: »
I don't know if this was brought up already, but aren't those legacy cheevos? Meaning that even if someone were to go out of their way to accomplish either task, it would be worth somewhere in between "f**k" and "all" since legacy cheevo point values are rendered null.

So unless there's a spiffy title to get out of this, I also see absolutely no benefit.

The achievements are under the Progression tab.
Therefore they do count towards the laurel.
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@Margarethe Hmm. I sit corrected.

Still, 20 whole points. What a game changer, amirite?
TERA PC - General Discussion#50 jongbae12/13/2017, 06:51 PM
As an end game player, I hope you reconsider this change. I have Champion Laurel without those archivements, it’s 20 points come on. OR AT LEAST if you are giving crystalbinds on elite boxes, give Complete Crystalbinds (12 hours) not 6 hours. It will become an extra slot of more stuff in your inventory that could be avoided. BE [filtered] SMART EME FOR ONCE JESUS
@iLucky

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/11983/please-make-ccb-a-passive-elite-buff/p1

*Chuckle*
When did I say I do not value it?
Only believe it unfair if you're hunting achievements.

Agree removing the perk isn't the best option.
Would recommend a toggle option or moving both achievements to the Special tab.

(Previous post was removed due to editing.)
Hey all. After reading through everything posted, it looks like you all have a pretty good idea WHY the change is being made. Here's a copy-paste from the patch notes for context:
To unblock elite status players from gaining the “Imperfect Crystals” and “Ideal Crystals” achievements, we have changed how we deliver Crystalbinding to those players:
  • We have removed Continuous Crystalbind from elite status player accounts.
  • We have added four Complete Veteran Crystalbinds (6 hours) to the daily Elite Consumable Box so players can decide if they want to run with or without Complete Crystalbinds.

The TERA team agrees this isn't the ultimate solution, but we hated the idea that a feature/effect we added was actually blocking people from game content. That's literally one of the worst things we can do, even if it's really minor game content like an achievement. When the perma-crystalbind effect was added, we failed to take those achievements into account and it actually resulted in quite a few Customer Support tickets even if the topic was only brought up in the forums by a few people.

For those of you saying "just have CS unlock those achievements for players who want them" that's also not ideal. We never want to just create a problem that forever means more work for Customer Support. I'm looking at that team right now and they would absolutely TP my desk if that happened.

SO BASICALLY... the TERA team will keep working on the crystalbind situation. Please consider this a temporary fix for the achievement problem with a better solution coming in the next couple maintenance windows.

The end goal is to give Elite players all the crystalbind they could ever want or need in a way that isn't tradeable to other players (because that would be OP). A special Elite-only toggle in the options would be pretty sweet but would need more time to have development work done on Bluehole's end. Delivering CCBs in a different way is a more realistic short-term solution though we recognize you guys aren't totally satisfied with getting 4x 6-hour CCBs because of multiple characters/servers.

Do we replace Gold Boost with CCBs on the Elite bar? If so, do we then move Gold Boost to the consumable box? Gold Boost wasn't a big deal for a while, but in the current gear progression system would that solution be a bummer for people that are thirsty for more gold? Would it put a damper on those leveling brand new accounts? We'd like to hear your thoughts!
How many types of crystalbinds do we have already though. Aren't you just blocking up our inventory space. That's also obnoxious. There's no consistency in the type of crystalbinds we get.
TERA PC - General Discussion#54 jongbae12/13/2017, 07:02 PM
Make the “solution” not 6 hours but 12. And CCBs that you can stack. EZ GAME
Spacecats wrote: »
Do we replace Gold Boost with CCBs on the Elite bar? If so, do we then move Gold Boost to the consumable box? Gold Boost wasn't a big deal for a while, but in the current gear progression system would that solution be a bummer for people that are thirsty for more gold? Would it put a damper on those leveling brand new accounts? We'd like to hear your thoughts!

Re: the gold boost, the big problem with is it is that it didn't really evolve with the times when BHS changed the game to mostly go from monsters/bosses dropping gold to Vanguard Requests granting gold upon completion (below the daily cap). Ever since that change (intended to combat K-TERA's botting problem), people have felt that the gold boost was "useless" -- in fairness, it's not entirely useless, but represents a fraction of the gold you earn in game. If we want to continue to have a relevant gold boost, it would be more useful to have a gold boost on vanguard rewards -- but if you do that, probably 2x is OP. Either way, you'd need to go back to Bluehole and talk to them about it.
Spacecats wrote: »
Hey all. After reading through everything posted, it looks like you all have a pretty good idea WHY the change is being made. Here's a copy-paste from the patch notes for context:
To unblock elite status players from gaining the “Imperfect Crystals” and “Ideal Crystals” achievements, we have changed how we deliver Crystalbinding to those players:
  • We have removed Continuous Crystalbind from elite status player accounts.
  • We have added four Complete Veteran Crystalbinds (6 hours) to the daily Elite Consumable Box so players can decide if they want to run with or without Complete Crystalbinds.

Do we replace Gold Boost with CCBs on the Elite bar? If so, do we then move Gold Boost to the consumable box? Gold Boost wasn't a big deal for a while, but in the current gear progression system would that solution be a bummer for people that are thirsty for more gold? Would it put a damper on those leveling brand new accounts? We'd like to hear your thoughts!

The most profitable ways to get gold are not affected by the gold boost at all, so right now if you take low level characters into consideration you wont get that much from that perk and when you get to be a level 65 it becomes a perk that you won't ever use in the current state of the game.

Removing it will be of not cosecuence at all but before removing something pls consider to add something that can be useful for both new and veteran players or low level and end-game characters.

The perma ccb is a nice qol, is not that important but nice and if you could add it again in someway you can toggle on/off like some skills from classes then it would be ideal.
Replacing the current gold boost for a permanent CCB toggle option (similar to noctenium) at the elite bar would be nice, in my opinion.
Spacecats wrote: »
Do we replace Gold Boost with CCBs on the Elite bar? If so, do we then move Gold Boost to the consumable box? Gold Boost wasn't a big deal for a while, but in the current gear progression system would that solution be a bummer for people that are thirsty for more gold? Would it put a damper on those leveling brand new accounts? We'd like to hear your thoughts!

Re: the gold boost, the big problem with is it is that it didn't really evolve with the times when BHS changed the game to mostly go from monsters/bosses dropping gold to Vanguard Requests granting gold upon completion (below the daily cap). Ever since that change (intended to combat K-TERA's botting problem), people have felt that the gold boost was "useless" -- in fairness, it's not entirely useless, but represents a fraction of the gold you earn in game. If we want to continue to have a relevant gold boost, it would be more useful to have a gold boost on vanguard rewards -- but if you do that, probably 2x is OP. Either way, you'd need to go back to Bluehole and talk to them about it. If they could change the gold boost to be an "always-on" status that applied a passive boost to gold earned via any means (but at a smaller rate), I think people would be much more happy with it.

Like the idea.
Adding a 5-10% gold boost to Vanguard Requests would more than make up for the looting gold boost loss.
Would also make elite more rewarding.
TERA PC - General Discussion#58 Obs12/13/2017, 07:15 PM
> @Spacecats said:
> Hey all. After reading through everything posted, it looks like you all have a pretty good idea WHY the change is being made. Here's a copy-paste from the patch notes for context:
> To unblock elite status players from gaining the “Imperfect Crystals” and “Ideal Crystals” achievements, we have changed how we deliver Crystalbinding to those players:
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> * We have removed Continuous Crystalbind from elite status player accounts.
> * We have added four Complete Veteran Crystalbinds (6 hours) to the daily Elite Consumable Box so players can decide if they want to run with or without Complete Crystalbinds.
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> The TERA team agrees this isn't the ultimate solution, but we hated the idea that a feature/effect we added was actually blocking people from game content. That's literally one of the worst things we can do, even if it's really minor game content like an achievement. When the perma-crystalbind effect was added, we failed to take those achievements into account and it actually resulted in quite a few Customer Support tickets even if the topic was only brought up in the forums by a few people.
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> For those of you saying "just have CS unlock those achievements for players who want them" that's also not ideal. We never want to just create a problem that forever means more work for Customer Support. I'm looking at that team right now and they would absolutely TP my desk if that happened.
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> SO BASICALLY... the TERA team will keep working on the crystalbind situation. Please consider this a temporary fix for the achievement problem with a better solution coming in the next couple maintenance windows.
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> The end goal is to give Elite players all the crystalbind they could ever want or need in a way that isn't tradeable to other players (because that would be OP). A special Elite-only toggle in the options would be pretty sweet but would need more time to have development work done on Bluehole's end. Delivering CCBs in a different way is a more realistic short-term solution though we recognize you guys aren't totally satisfied with getting 4x 6-hour CCBs because of multiple characters/servers.
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> Do we replace Gold Boost with CCBs on the Elite bar? If so, do we then move Gold Boost to the consumable box? Gold Boost wasn't a big deal for a while, but in the current gear progression system would that solution be a bummer for people that are thirsty for more gold? Would it put a damper on those leveling brand new accounts? We'd like to hear your thoughts!

The whole benefit of the change was that you don't have to remember to repop it. It's a pretty big inconvenience, especially if you end up losing one or several important crystals during a dungeon (I lost crystals when my elite ran out in a dungeon and I had to relog). CCBs are completely worthless. It's not about the gold.
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So that is reg crystalbind (stackable), complete veteran ccb (1hour) - comes from weekly vanguard completion, veteran ccb (stackable type), complete veteran ccb, and complete ccb. 5 types already, now we'll have another with the 6 hour versions, yay...

Also Spacecats I really hope you know the gold booster only affects DROPPED gold, and 65 content does not drop gold, and has not for multiple patch cycles. If we're talking about levelling, quests gives more gold than dropped, even when it's doubled, and the elite questers gold boost which is built in (unaffected by the clickable gold boost) along with elite double exp already affects that.
You suggesting it as a solution to people that are hungry for gold is ??? I don't think you'll ever get more than maybe 70g dropped using the gold boost You'd have to be in the level range of the pre-65 dungeon, and have people afk-ing at the start of the dungeon so you would have the full loot buff, but not split gold with them. Enchanting guardian even at the early enchantment levels costs like 3-4x that, so it's just not worth the effort.
TERA PC - General Discussion#60 DXM12/13/2017, 07:25 PM
I have never felt more regret than now for buying something even when I didn't get anything out of lootboxes. Bought 1.33 years of elite during black friday. Looks like we all get a <lump of coal> for Christmas now. :(
TERA PC - General Discussion#61 jongbae12/13/2017, 07:28 PM
I mean now you bring that up. Just change the Gold Boost scroll in the elite bar for a CCB one? Stackable up to 2 times maybe and no need to redeem it from the elite box (eliminating the option of having a 6th CCB slot in our inventory and bank. I don’t know. I just don’t want that in my elite box. I rather just don’t have CCB from elite at all then.
LesbianVi wrote: »
Man now open your Elite Consumable Boxes, half of your inventory goes full lols The heck :neutral:

That's why I'm just stacking my boxes until something good comes out of it.
Make ccb buff to stack so you can extend it for days of gameplay without having to worry about it expiring ~.~
Spacecats wrote: »
Hey all. After reading through everything posted, it looks like you all have a pretty good idea WHY the change is being made. Here's a copy-paste from the patch notes for context:
To unblock elite status players from gaining the “Imperfect Crystals” and “Ideal Crystals” achievements, we have changed how we deliver Crystalbinding to those players:
  • We have removed Continuous Crystalbind from elite status player accounts.
  • We have added four Complete Veteran Crystalbinds (6 hours) to the daily Elite Consumable Box so players can decide if they want to run with or without Complete Crystalbinds.

The TERA team agrees this isn't the ultimate solution, but we hated the idea that a feature/effect we added was actually blocking people from game content. That's literally one of the worst things we can do, even if it's really minor game content like an achievement. When the perma-crystalbind effect was added, we failed to take those achievements into account and it actually resulted in quite a few Customer Support tickets even if the topic was only brought up in the forums by a few people.

For those of you saying "just have CS unlock those achievements for players who want them" that's also not ideal. We never want to just create a problem that forever means more work for Customer Support. I'm looking at that team right now and they would absolutely TP my desk if that happened.

SO BASICALLY... the TERA team will keep working on the crystalbind situation. Please consider this a temporary fix for the achievement problem with a better solution coming in the next couple maintenance windows.

The end goal is to give Elite players all the crystalbind they could ever want or need in a way that isn't tradeable to other players (because that would be OP). A special Elite-only toggle in the options would be pretty sweet but would need more time to have development work done on Bluehole's end. Delivering CCBs in a different way is a more realistic short-term solution though we recognize you guys aren't totally satisfied with getting 4x 6-hour CCBs because of multiple characters/servers.

Do we replace Gold Boost with CCBs on the Elite bar? If so, do we then move Gold Boost to the consumable box? Gold Boost wasn't a big deal for a while, but in the current gear progression system would that solution be a bummer for people that are thirsty for more gold? Would it put a damper on those leveling brand new accounts? We'd like to hear your thoughts!

A toggle on the bar sounds good.

Part of what's so appealing about Cont CCB is never having to THINK about CCB. And also not having to look at the indicator. I am however willing to give those two things up if it becomes as easy as the battle solution.

Side note: the real insult here is that the veteran CCB stops with a crystal break. Meaning it needs to be reapplied EVERY TIME YOU DIE, just in case. This is what's so terrible. We go from never having to think about it to something that has to be reapplied mid-fight every time you res.

Hunter's gold boost? Where can you even use it? BAMs? No. Dungeons? No. Doesn't affect turn-ins. What drops gold anywhere, except during leveling? SO...tens of gold, and only in dungeons. You get potentially far more from the always-on Questor's gold boost while leveling.

I also suggest you send mail to every character in the game notifying everyone. Or there are going to be a lot of clueless people who logged in and started playing after the patch, and....well.
That response made no sense. You traded in a PERMANENT CCB to all the characters on the account to ONE character on the account. Are you actually aware of that ? And before we just had it in a buff bar, now I have to open elite daily box in order to get it. Are you even aware that you TOOK something away and replaced it with garbage solution for a measly achievement that could have been dealt with just by thinking A LITTLE bit more and making a toggle on/off button.

... why did you not consult with community before making these changes? Why did you not make pool and have people vote ? Why do you have make THE WORST [filtered] decisions ? You just basically took yet another reason for people to buy elite.
... why did you not consult with community before making these changes? Why did you not make pool and have people vote ? Why do you have make THE WORST [filtered] decisions ? You just basically took yet another reason for people to buy elite.

The perma ccb is not even a reason to buy elite.

Is just a minor QoL that feeds our laziness, nothing more, nothing to make a fuzz over it but if they can give it back in a better way then it will be welcome.
JXE5356AKE wrote: »
How many types of crystalbinds do we have already though. Aren't you just blocking up our inventory space. That's also obnoxious. There's no consistency in the type of crystalbinds we get.

There's actually a lot of different ones in the game. Sure we don't want to clog up inventories but ideally you're using the ones you get, right? If we switch to 3-hour versions, or 12-hour versions, you can always destroy ones you don't need. Again we just want to make sure Elite players have as many crystalbinds as they need. There's no benefit to hoarding extras you don't think you'll use in the future.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
... why did you not consult with community before making these changes? Why did you not make pool and have people vote ? Why do you have make THE WORST [filtered] decisions ? You just basically took yet another reason for people to buy elite.

The perma ccb is not even a reason to buy elite.

Is just a minor QoL that feeds our laziness, nothing more, nothing to make a fuzz over it but if they can give it back in a better way then it will be welcome.

Its a reason for me, and since I am a customer that buys elite, your reply is invalid, so off on your way
TERA PC - General Discussion#69 Yamazuki12/13/2017, 08:17 PM
Spacecats wrote: »
The end goal is to give Elite players all the crystalbind they could ever want or need in a way that isn't tradeable to other players (because that would be OP). A special Elite-only toggle in the options would be pretty sweet but would need more time to have development work done on Bluehole's end. Delivering CCBs in a different way is a more realistic short-term solution though we recognize you guys aren't totally satisfied with getting 4x 6-hour CCBs because of multiple characters/servers.
Many already have enough CCBs to keep it on for years across multiple characters and CCBs on NA have a very low cost due to how many are around. The reason for wanting to have it on permanently is out of convenience and not due to supply. Maintaining CCBs are an inconvenience and takes attention away from actually playing the game.

Spacecats wrote: »
Do we replace Gold Boost with CCBs on the Elite bar? If so, do we then move Gold Boost to the consumable box? Gold Boost wasn't a big deal for a while, but in the current gear progression system would that solution be a bummer for people that are thirsty for more gold? Would it put a damper on those leveling brand new accounts? We'd like to hear your thoughts!
The Gold boost pre-60 only has a use if you solo BAMs around 30->60. Doing dungeons, or questing results in little gold drops. If Elite is going to maintain any sort of gold boost it would have to be in the form of increasing gold gained from the Vanguard missions. A new person wouldn't have problems with gold now either, Vanguards provide all the gold needed to level up abilities.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
... why did you not consult with community before making these changes? Why did you not make pool and have people vote ? Why do you have make THE WORST [filtered] decisions ? You just basically took yet another reason for people to buy elite.

The perma ccb is not even a reason to buy elite.

Is just a minor QoL that feeds our laziness, nothing more, nothing to make a fuzz over it but if they can give it back in a better way then it will be welcome.

Its a reason for me, and since I am a customer that buys elite, your reply is invalid, so off on your way

It seems you can't make a post were you are not insult another being in your life, right?

You are the kind of people that thinks that things that are good for them are good for everyone else and if another don't concur with you then the other one is in the wrong, kind of person that is not even worth discussing something because he is not open to opinions in the first place.

If you are like this in-game also then I can understand why the game is "dead" for you.
Remove Elite totally, would it solve the problem? :#
ElinUsagi wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
... why did you not consult with community before making these changes? Why did you not make pool and have people vote ? Why do you have make THE WORST [filtered] decisions ? You just basically took yet another reason for people to buy elite.

The perma ccb is not even a reason to buy elite.

Is just a minor QoL that feeds our laziness, nothing more, nothing to make a fuzz over it but if they can give it back in a better way then it will be welcome.

Its a reason for me, and since I am a customer that buys elite, your reply is invalid, so off on your way

It seems you can't make a post were you are not insult another being in your life, right?

You are the kind of people that thinks that things that are good for them are good for everyone else and if another don't concur with you then the other one is in the wrong, kind of person that is not even worth discussing something because he is not open to opinions in the first place.

If you are like this in-game also then I can understand why the game is "dead" for you.

And you are type of person who cant write a proper reply that can back up their facts. You put forth your opinion, and once you are beaten with the facts and statements where you are PROVEN that your opinion does not make sense, you slither back in and say pretty much [filtered] like that up there. Frankly, since you are taken as a joke anyway on the forums and by most of the community on Tera ( talking about the actual players that play this game and not waste time on the forums writing nonsense, like yourself, I feel like I am sadly wasting my time writing this reply ) I cant really take anything you say serious ( nor can anyone that decently uses their brain ) especially stuff like that. Why am I even replying to nonsense that you spew is beyond me, and I should be not putting myself on your level.
The THREAD was made because people were not happy, and are not happy about the decision, not because you think not having permanent icb is lazy and whatever the hell you replied ( cba to read your nonsense ). Ultimate white knight at its best, going to be there when everything burns to ashes as well to burn alongside with it as well ? And since I derailed from such a important issue, I shall stop replying here and go off on my business
if they perma remove CCB, it would be nice to get something in return added to Elite, gem bag would be nice for example :#
I am cancelling my rotating Elite that I've had since I started this game. It's not worth it anymore.
When you get your [filtered] together and update it, make it worth the money, then I'll buy it again.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
... why did you not consult with community before making these changes? Why did you not make pool and have people vote ? Why do you have make THE WORST [filtered] decisions ? You just basically took yet another reason for people to buy elite.

The perma ccb is not even a reason to buy elite.

Is just a minor QoL that feeds our laziness, nothing more, nothing to make a fuzz over it but if they can give it back in a better way then it will be welcome.

Its a reason for me, and since I am a customer that buys elite, your reply is invalid, so off on your way

It seems you can't make a post were you are not insult another being in your life, right?

You are the kind of people that thinks that things that are good for them are good for everyone else and if another don't concur with you then the other one is in the wrong, kind of person that is not even worth discussing something because he is not open to opinions in the first place.

If you are like this in-game also then I can understand why the game is "dead" for you.

Curious, where was the insult?
Time to start bickering and derail another thread?
As an Elite player I don't mind it getting removed. I liked having it there sure, but it took away a lot of responsibility. I kind of enjoyed having to remind myself to use my binds sure, I am weird for it but I don't mind,. Either way we have crystal binds so why does it even matter. Stop being lazy players and stop wanting everything handed to you.
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Margarethe wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
... why did you not consult with community before making these changes? Why did you not make pool and have people vote ? Why do you have make THE WORST [filtered] decisions ? You just basically took yet another reason for people to buy elite.

The perma ccb is not even a reason to buy elite.

Is just a minor QoL that feeds our laziness, nothing more, nothing to make a fuzz over it but if they can give it back in a better way then it will be welcome.

Its a reason for me, and since I am a customer that buys elite, your reply is invalid, so off on your way

It seems you can't make a post were you are not insult another being in your life, right?

You are the kind of people that thinks that things that are good for them are good for everyone else and if another don't concur with you then the other one is in the wrong, kind of person that is not even worth discussing something because he is not open to opinions in the first place.

If you are like this in-game also then I can understand why the game is "dead" for you.

Curious, where was the insult?
Time to start bickering and derail another thread?

You can look at that user post even in the old forums and you will always see the agressive or over agresive way to reply to others that not share his way of thinking, no he made not write and insult but his whole post is just a way to attack another person because his mind set.

He is not open to discuss the main topic of the thread, he is only bringing salt and making attacks agains who ever don't think as him.

I didnt derailed the thread but make an opinion about the perma ccb but he make a reply that can be cut in "they are needed for me" but he extended the "your opinion is invalid, so off on your way", then you mean that sentence is in topic, right?
Spacecats wrote: »
JXE5356AKE wrote: »
How many types of crystalbinds do we have already though. Aren't you just blocking up our inventory space. That's also obnoxious. There's no consistency in the type of crystalbinds we get.

There's actually a lot of different ones in the game. Sure we don't want to clog up inventories but ideally you're using the ones you get, right? If we switch to 3-hour versions, or 12-hour versions, you can always destroy ones you don't need. Again we just want to make sure Elite players have as many crystalbinds as they need. There's no benefit to hoarding extras you don't think you'll use in the future.

Sure I get your point, but the 12 hour CCBs and the 1 hours CCBs are constantly entering our inventory due to loot and the vanguard systems. It's more of the annoyance of constantly deleting items to make inventory space. Also with the addition of the new type of CCB to the elite consumable box, we need more open inventory slots than previously required just to open one. If you wanted to open 2 boxes for the other items like reset scrolls or braveries, you need even more.
TERA PC - General Discussion#79 Chido12/13/2017, 08:53 PM
umm Remove always on CCB. replace with 6hr x4 CCB = 24hr.
we so smart
TERA PC - General Discussion#80 Xristosx12/13/2017, 09:06 PM
You guys chose to change that of all things when there are different problems that people complain about on a daily basis. Why would you even do that i liked not having to bother constantly putting on a CCB and now you revert this nice change? Put it back the F on seriously. what is wrong with EME. Since when did they care about the 5 people that cared about their achievement points? What is the point of elite if your removing good features
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"better suit our problems" Yeah the one you just created, good thing you listen to elite players. You could of posted a thread saying hey guys were thinking about changing crystal binds back just to help achievement hunters, what do you guys think? the players of the game, the ones who actually play the game and know what goes on instead of the little bubble you guys sit in and not understand how your damn game works. Change it the f back.
TERA PC - General Discussion#81 Rajion12/13/2017, 09:08 PM
how about a perma ccb? i always forget to use these things and it was a big help to have a perma one on so i dont lose dyads. that way anyone who wants to fill those useless achievements can and those of us who want a ccb on always can to.
TERA PC - General Discussion#82 Ayi12/13/2017, 09:08 PM
Are you serious?

Just when I thought Elite was finally worth it, it gets nerfed again. If you're serious about achievements, you should already have Champion by now on your Elin Gunner.
makes something somewhat useful for elite players, removes it next patch xd?
how can you argue that 20 achievement points is over flooding your inventory with garbage and making you require to click a ccb every 6 hours, now you're basically limited to playing 4 characters per day aswell unless you want to buy more ccb's. Also why is it not a toggleable option, it seems like this would stop any complaint but instead you give us something only half the community wants again.
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The plan at the moment is to change the Elite status bar to add multiple Crystalbinds as daily consumables the same way you drink a potion, mount an Elite mount, or use a Gold Boost. We were concerned that we'd have to replace something (like Gold Boost) in order to do this but it looks like that's not the case.

This will solve the issue of giving Elite players all the CCB they need across multiple characters/servers, not clogging up inventories, and also allowing a state on non-CCB protection that will remind players of the harsh reality of broken crystals... oh and yes, you get an achievement for it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#85 jongbae12/13/2017, 09:22 PM
Just put the CCB in the elite bar just like Nostrum (Lots of non tradeable ccb) pop it like a consumable and we all happy. Its just as easy as that.
if the elite players really wanted the achievement THAT bad, just let your damn account run out of elite, get the achievement and then get elite again. shouldn't be an issue. if you have the cheap elite sub, then that's your own fault for being an achievement [filtered]. way to ruin everyone else's request cause you too cheap and to much of a completest to let your [filtered] run out, get the acheives and resub. thanks, dickholes.
jongbae wrote: »
Just put the CCB in the elite bar just like Nostrum (Lots of non tradeable ccb) pop it like a consumable and we all happy. Its just as easy as that.

The issue at hand in this topic is that some people are complaining about the QoL, one that doesn't need for your to click that icon each time it burns its effect.

The QoL is what has made some people hostile against this change so adding it as a perk that works like the the nostrum won't make the people complainning to back off.

There are some interesting ideas like those that ask for a way to make the ccb a perk in the game that works like nocteriums, you click on them and make their effect active, you click again and its effect goes off.

It is not really a big issue but some people have made this a little but overboard.
jongbae wrote: »
Just put the CCB in the elite bar just like Nostrum (Lots of non tradeable ccb) pop it like a consumable and we all happy. Its just as easy as that.

Sounds like... per the post above, that's basically what they're doing now. A straight toggle would be a bit better, but I think this is a good solution to give people the option to not use it if they don't want it. You're already hitting buffs on the bar anyway.
TERA PC - General Discussion#89 jongbae12/13/2017, 09:36 PM
> @counterpoint said:
> jongbae wrote: »
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> Just put the CCB in the elite bar just like Nostrum (Lots of non tradeable ccb) pop it like a consumable and we all happy. Its just as easy as that.
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> Sounds like... per the post above, that's basically what they're doing now. A straight toggle would be a bit better, but I think this is a good solution to give people the option to not use it if they don't want it. You're already hitting buffs on the bar anyway.






I said it way way back, i just repeated it because everyone seemed to ignore it but spacecats read it \o/
TERA PC - General Discussion#90 Obs12/13/2017, 09:41 PM
Spacecats wrote: »
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The plan at the moment is to change the Elite status bar to add multiple Crystalbinds as daily consumables the same way you drink a potion, mount an Elite mount, or use a Gold Boost. We were concerned that we'd have to replace something (like Gold Boost) in order to do this but it looks like that's not the case.

This will solve the issue of giving Elite players all the CCB they need across multiple characters/servers, not clogging up inventories, and also allowing a state on non-CCB protection that will remind players of the harsh reality of broken crystals... oh and yes, you get an achievement for it.

That's still against the point of the original change: not having to actually use it every X hours.

Most players do not care about the cost of CCBs or even inventory, but rather just needing to click it. It being on a long duration makes people tend to forget it often.
TERA PC - General Discussion#91 Rajion12/13/2017, 09:49 PM
Obs wrote: »
Spacecats wrote: »
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The plan at the moment is to change the Elite status bar to add multiple Crystalbinds as daily consumables the same way you drink a potion, mount an Elite mount, or use a Gold Boost. We were concerned that we'd have to replace something (like Gold Boost) in order to do this but it looks like that's not the case.

This will solve the issue of giving Elite players all the CCB they need across multiple characters/servers, not clogging up inventories, and also allowing a state on non-CCB protection that will remind players of the harsh reality of broken crystals... oh and yes, you get an achievement for it.

That's still against the point of the original change: not having to actually use it every X hours.

Most players do not care about the cost of CCBs or even inventory, but rather just needing to click it. It being on a long duration makes people tend to forget it often.

i think its fine until they can add the toggle version of crystalbind. at least i can click the ccb everytime i pop a bravery and nos so i wont forget as much as it just being in inventory. i hope they make the elite versions renew the timer everytime i click it or that could be a pain if it runs out mid boss fight
Change it back please. Just move these nonsense achievements to the legacy tab where all the other unachievable ones are like nexus, ToT, Sirjuka Gallery, etc. achievements.
Change it back please. Just move these nonsense achievements to the legacy tab where all the other unachievable ones are like nexus, ToT, Sirjuka Gallery, etc. achievements.

For now they can't change the achievements or the way they count, since it's set for BHS, but ultimately this might be the better solution -- I personally think those achievements are a bit silly and counterintuitive anyway. But because they're active and give points for now... this solution is an acceptable compromise.
Change it back please. Just move these nonsense achievements to the legacy tab where all the other unachievable ones are like nexus, ToT, Sirjuka Gallery, etc. achievements.

For now they can't change the achievements or the way they count, since it's set for BHS, but ultimately this might be the better solution -- I personally think those achievements are a bit silly and counterintuitive anyway. But because they're active and give points for now... this solution is an acceptable compromise.

The thing that got most my attention is tha Spacecat said many players sent support tickets complaining about the issue of not being able to complete this achievement with the elite status perk.

Now I wonder if other people have tried this when adressing an issue at all.
all of this for only 2 achievements?
let eme do his job and dont complaint about small things like this.
People were complaining back to back why EME did this, they ruined the game, blah blah. EME changes that, they complain EME ruined the game, blah blah.

and then we expect EME to take our feedback seriously lol. DAFUQ :neutral:
LesbianVi wrote: »
People were complaining back to back why EME did this, they ruined the game, blah blah. EME changes that, they complain EME ruined the game, blah blah.

and then we expect EME to take our feedback seriously lol. DAFUQ :neutral:

That's borderline disgusting.
Please, there's no need for that.
TERA PC - General Discussion#98 Naru200812/13/2017, 10:30 PM
Margarethe wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
People were complaining back to back why EME did this, they ruined the game, blah blah. EME changes that, they complain EME ruined the game, blah blah.

and then we expect EME to take our feedback seriously lol. DAFUQ :neutral:

That's borderline disgusting.
Please, there's no need for that.

Unfortunately, she isn't wrong.
Naru2008 wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
People were complaining back to back why EME did this, they ruined the game, blah blah. EME changes that, they complain EME ruined the game, blah blah.

and then we expect EME to take our feedback seriously lol. DAFUQ :neutral:

That's borderline disgusting.
Please, there's no need for that.

Unfortunately, she isn't wrong.

It is feedback.
Do you expect all to have the same opinion?

Also, majority of the playerbase doesn't even write on the forums.
TERA PC - General Discussion#100 ElinUsagi12/13/2017, 10:36 PM
Margarethe wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
People were complaining back to back why EME did this, they ruined the game, blah blah. EME changes that, they complain EME ruined the game, blah blah.

and then we expect EME to take our feedback seriously lol. DAFUQ :neutral:

That's borderline disgusting.
Please, there's no need for that.

Feedback to improve the game is needed, what Vi maybe want to adress is a problem that is present in many games and is not exclusive on Tera, people complaining gets the more attention and what spacecats said is what bother me the most, as he said that these people were sending support tickets and that make me think that support didn't want to deal with those complains and chose to get rid off the thing causing those complains.

Many have adressed that he issue about the achievements will not hinder those trying to get laurels, the heck one of my friends have a diamond laurel and doesn't have this achievement at all proving that 20 points won't stop you to get those laurels.

However this in the eyes of others proved to be a major issue and support was having a hard time with the flood or at leas is what spacecat post make me believe.
TERA PC - General Discussion#101 Tewii12/13/2017, 10:41 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
... why did you not consult with community before making these changes? Why did you not make pool and have people vote ? Why do you have make THE WORST [filtered] decisions ? You just basically took yet another reason for people to buy elite.

The perma ccb is not even a reason to buy elite.

Is just a minor QoL that feeds our laziness, nothing more, nothing to make a fuzz over it but if they can give it back in a better way then it will be welcome.

Any single part of the Elite bonuses can be, and are a reason for buying elite. Think for a second, yeah?
TERA PC - General Discussion#102 ElinUsagi12/13/2017, 10:49 PM
Tewii wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
... why did you not consult with community before making these changes? Why did you not make pool and have people vote ? Why do you have make THE WORST [filtered] decisions ? You just basically took yet another reason for people to buy elite.

The perma ccb is not even a reason to buy elite.

Is just a minor QoL that feeds our laziness, nothing more, nothing to make a fuzz over it but if they can give it back in a better way then it will be welcome.

Any single part of the Elite bonuses can be, and are a reason for buying elite. Think for a second, yeah?

If you compare the removal from trade broker fees with most things you get from elite you can see an huge diference in QoL for some of its perks.

The QoL that the perma ccb offers is one click every 12 hours of game play for a bonus stat that can be adquired using... 1 gold in game or a drop from IoD and dungeons that is rather frecuent.

The everful nostrum is almost the same thing but it is a 30 minutes duration.

To get the most advantages from elites as all their reset scrolls you maybe need to be a no lifer.

Think for a sencond, yeah?
While I'm all for being able to acquire those achievements for people who want them (they're required to have Champion in "Progression", and I understand the feeling of just wanting that whole category complete) I find this change ridiculous.

Ignoring the fact that the CCBs given on our elite bar will be 3 hour versions instead of a 12 hour..(like, why?) You've made everyone with elite comfortable with just playing and not worrying about crystal breakage, now because we've had perm ccb for a month+ there will be plenty of people forgetting to pop CCB again and losing crystals. Sure the prices aren't all too high but this just feels like a pointless change that may or may not be used to show EmE is still "updating" Elite Status. >.>

The trend of "updating" something by removing it entirely is starting to show.
TERA PC - General Discussion#104 ElinUsagi12/13/2017, 11:05 PM
Partyblast wrote: »
The trend of "updating" something by removing it entirely is starting to show.

Tbh, this feature shouldn't have ever been introduced since now it's becoming worse than popping a 12 hour ccb. I'd say it would be nice if a little more thought was put into things but then it would just take longer to get even more things done, already takes months to "update" a shop for November, actually not do anything, and then turn around and say it's just being removed instead 2 weeks into December.

Do not worry, the next upgrade will remove ccb drops from IoD bams so you will have more meaning for those crystalbinds from elite and vanguards.
TERA PC - General Discussion#105 Tewii12/13/2017, 11:24 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Partyblast wrote: »
The trend of "updating" something by removing it entirely is starting to show.

Tbh, this feature shouldn't have ever been introduced since now it's becoming worse than popping a 12 hour ccb. I'd say it would be nice if a little more thought was put into things but then it would just take longer to get even more things done, already takes months to "update" a shop for November, actually not do anything, and then turn around and say it's just being removed instead 2 weeks into December.

Do not worry, the next upgrade will remove ccb drops from IoD bams so you will have more meaning for those crystalbinds from elite and vanguards.

Or more use from this QoL buff you say doesn't matter!

cx

[And before you respond, I haven't insulted you or your intelligence, please bring any complaints to Squirrelco Ltd.]
I'm up for placing it on elite bar :heart: this is soo much better than one more addition to Seir's letter!
TERA PC - General Discussion#107 Xristosx12/13/2017, 11:42 PM
Hey @Spacecats @Denommenator Look what your changes have already done
Since you made it
"To unblock elite status players from gaining the "Imperfect Crystals" and "Ideal Crystals" achievements, we have changed how we deliver Crystalbinding to those players:

We have added (24) Complete Veteran Crystalbinds (3 hour) to the Elite Status Perks skillbar."

People are now bought out all the cheap ccbs because they are actually useful and are listing it as rediculous prices
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Either put unlimited 12 hour ones on the bar or give us back the permanent. Because your 3 hour solution isn't a solution, its a band-aid to a problem YOU GUYS CREATED. So stop creating problems just to fix it and say hey were the good guys look. Because thats a [filtered] business practice, You lose your players trust over time and as im sure your aware of us "salty" old players, we keep losing more and more trust every day. Eventually it'll pop.
all of this for two stupid achievements, lmao. better fix pvp
TERA PC - General Discussion#109 ElinUsagi12/13/2017, 11:58 PM
Tewii wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Partyblast wrote: »
The trend of "updating" something by removing it entirely is starting to show.

Tbh, this feature shouldn't have ever been introduced since now it's becoming worse than popping a 12 hour ccb. I'd say it would be nice if a little more thought was put into things but then it would just take longer to get even more things done, already takes months to "update" a shop for November, actually not do anything, and then turn around and say it's just being removed instead 2 weeks into December.

Do not worry, the next upgrade will remove ccb drops from IoD bams so you will have more meaning for those crystalbinds from elite and vanguards.

Or more use from this QoL buff you say doesn't matter!

cx

[And before you respond, I haven't insulted you or your intelligence, please bring any complaints to Squirrelco Ltd.]

Diferent as you and other users like you do, I am not the one replying to other user to derail the thread and bring in personal matters in it, as agresive remarks or insults, you could not post the last sentence in your post but your toxic nature don't allow to try to derail even your own post at the end, right?

If ccb where something like the versions we get from vaguards (1 hour protection) then this QoL would be something significant and even more valuable for those who have alts, but we are talking about a QoL that is replacing the 12 hours version that piles up on our inventory, something that makes it less of an impact as you wont use it that often in your alts as nostrum are.

Is not an issue as important to be attaking other playerd as you and your friends do, what a shame of player council member you are, really, that instead to step out of conflict you only came here to try to provoque others.
Spacecats wrote: »
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The plan at the moment is to change the Elite status bar to add multiple Crystalbinds as daily consumables the same way you drink a potion, mount an Elite mount, or use a Gold Boost. We were concerned that we'd have to replace something (like Gold Boost) in order to do this but it looks like that's not the case.

This will solve the issue of giving Elite players all the CCB they need across multiple characters/servers, not clogging up inventories, and also allowing a state of non-CCB protection that will remind players of the harsh reality of broken crystals... oh and yes, you get an achievement for it.

this is a terrible solution imo. manually using ccbs on every single one of my characters is the annoying part, the "free" ccb is negligible because they're already given out like candy. i literally have hundreds in my bank. the convenience was in not needing to use one at all. on top of that, you're giving out the trash versions of them for some reason???
TERA PC - General Discussion#111 DXM12/14/2017, 12:09 AM
I'm still quite sad with this change. Should be unlimited in the elite bar like the everful nostrum and for significantly longer duration. If it works like the everful nostrum does there is no reason to not make it unlimited use. I get that some people say its a "good" compromise until the toggle gets here, but I can't help but feel that the toggle is something that will never happen and we will be stuck with this forever. That's why I still don't feel this is a positive change for elite.
TERA PC - General Discussion#112 c0g12/14/2017, 12:28 AM
Here's the poll result for Perm CCB so far:
Vote for perm CCB: 1000
Vote for no perm CCB: 1 |d|ot
TERA PC - General Discussion#113 clfarron412/14/2017, 12:29 AM
I was having a browse through the broker on MT and I realised something:

1) Before the Perma-CCB buff for Elite, CCBs on MT were selling at roughly 100 ~ 110G each.
2) After the Perma-CCB Buff was applied, CCBs instantly dropped in price to 10G each, dropping as low as 3G each before the CCB change was announced.
3) After the announcement was made to change the CCB buff to 6 hour CBs from the Consumable Box, someone bought out all the CCB and are now listing them at 200g each. That's potentially 199G profit for each CCB re-sold.

Nice work EME.

I don't know about other servers, but I would not be surprised if something similar is going on.
TERA PC - General Discussion#114 ElinUsagi12/14/2017, 12:34 AM
clfarron4 wrote: »
I was having a browse through the broker on MT and I realised something:

1) Before the Perma-CCB buff for Elite, CCBs on MT were selling at roughly 100 ~ 110G each.
2) After the Perma-CCB Buff was applied, CCBs instantly dropped in price to 10G each, dropping as low as 3G each before the CCB change was announced.
3) After the announcement was made to change the CCB buff to 6 hour CBs from the Consumable Box, someone bought out all the CCB and are now listing them at 200g each. That's potentially 199G profit for each CCB re-sold.

Nice work EME.

I don't know about other servers, but I would not be surprised if something similar is going on.

I dont really know how that person can make profit from something that drops quite often from dungeons and mobs in the open world.
TERA PC - General Discussion#115 clfarron412/14/2017, 12:36 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
clfarron4 wrote: »
I was having a browse through the broker on MT and I realised something:

1) Before the Perma-CCB buff for Elite, CCBs on MT were selling at roughly 100 ~ 110G each.
2) After the Perma-CCB Buff was applied, CCBs instantly dropped in price to 10G each, dropping as low as 3G each before the CCB change was announced.
3) After the announcement was made to change the CCB buff to 6 hour CBs from the Consumable Box, someone bought out all the CCB and are now listing them at 200g each. That's potentially 199G profit for each CCB re-sold.

Nice work EME.

I don't know about other servers, but I would not be surprised if something similar is going on.

I dont really know how that person can make profit from something that drops quite often from dungeons and mobs in the open world.

If EME is going to remove those drops then it will make him get profit, otherwise he only give away his gold to the charity system.

You're assuming that people actually pick them up, and I know a lot of people that don't when doing IoD.
TERA PC - General Discussion#116 ElinUsagi12/14/2017, 12:39 AM
clfarron4 wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
clfarron4 wrote: »
I was having a browse through the broker on MT and I realised something:

1) Before the Perma-CCB buff for Elite, CCBs on MT were selling at roughly 100 ~ 110G each.
2) After the Perma-CCB Buff was applied, CCBs instantly dropped in price to 10G each, dropping as low as 3G each before the CCB change was announced.
3) After the announcement was made to change the CCB buff to 6 hour CBs from the Consumable Box, someone bought out all the CCB and are now listing them at 200g each. That's potentially 199G profit for each CCB re-sold.

Nice work EME.

I don't know about other servers, but I would not be surprised if something similar is going on.

I dont really know how that person can make profit from something that drops quite often from dungeons and mobs in the open world.

If EME is going to remove those drops then it will make him get profit, otherwise he only give away his gold to the charity system.

You're assuming that people actually pick them up, and I know a lot of people that don't when doing IoD.

Yeah, I am assuming, I have a bad habit to take all monsters drop in the ground so my nature was reflected on my words.
Xristosx wrote: »
Either put unlimited 12 hour ones on the bar or give us back the permanent. Because your 3 hour solution isn't a solution, its a band-aid to a problem YOU GUYS CREATED. So stop creating problems just to fix it and say hey were the good guys look. Because thats a [filtered] business practice, You lose your players trust over time and as im sure your aware of us "salty" old players, we keep losing more and more trust every day. Eventually it'll pop.

This broker business is a gross over-reaction that will be corrected once the patch hits -- it's just people taking advantage of FUD. You'll have 24 3-hour ones on the bar per server, so there is not enough time in the day for it to run out. Even if your account had 18 characters on the server, they could each get one 3-hour CCB and have 6 leftover. The people doing this flipping are just hoping that people haven't paid attention and only got so far as "they're turning off permanent CCB" to spin their excess CCB before everyone realizes what's going on.

It's too bad there wasn't an option to "short" items on the broker somehow, because I guarantee this will come back crashing down.
TERA PC - General Discussion#118 Xristosx12/14/2017, 01:08 AM
Xristosx wrote: »
Either put unlimited 12 hour ones on the bar or give us back the permanent. Because your 3 hour solution isn't a solution, its a band-aid to a problem YOU GUYS CREATED. So stop creating problems just to fix it and say hey were the good guys look. Because thats a [filtered] business practice, You lose your players trust over time and as im sure your aware of us "salty" old players, we keep losing more and more trust every day. Eventually it'll pop.

This broker business is a gross over-reaction that will be corrected once the patch hits -- it's just people taking advantage of FUD. You'll have 24 3-hour ones on the bar per server, so there is not enough time in the day for it to run out. Even if your account had 18 characters on the server, they could each get one 3-hour CCB and have 6 leftover. The people doing this flipping are just hoping that people haven't paid attention and only got so far as "they're turning off permanent CCB" to spin their excess CCB before everyone realizes what's going on.

It's too bad there wasn't an option to "short" items on the broker somehow, because I guarantee this will come back crashing down.

(Source: Updated patch notes)

First of all if you read my post i was well aware of the 24 x 3 hour crystal binds since i actually mentioned it in the part of the post you didn't quote. Now 3 hour crystal binds (im not gonna call it a complete one because that is a disservice to it) are going to be frustrating for ALOT of players who play the game because people will forget to put them on and will constantly break crystals and everytime that happens they will remember that EME took away their ability to have a permanent CCB and that will build ire with people.
Having to update you ccb regularly is stupid when the norm for the past 3 years of playing tera was using 12 hour CCB's that we didnt have to refresh that often, rewind to recently we were given permament ones which was a actual nice addition to elite and now they are putting a inferior version in the name of helping 3 achievement hunters in the entire game?
If people wanted to get the achievement that badly they would of waited for their elite to run out, do the achievement then pop elite back on 10 minutes later. This work around that EME has proposed is literally the worst thing they could of done bar removing it. Why does it have to be 1 step forward and 30 steps back with the damn company.
Not to mention achievement hunters are freaking used to waiting hours for spawns, what makes you think waiting 12 hours for a ccb to finish would be so damn difficult. So at the damn minimum we should be given 12 hour CCBs x 24 AT THE MINIMUM. IF achievement hunters are really the cause of this and not some behind the scenes insidious thing.
The broker was just a side affect thing. But it shows what players know more than some people running this stuff.
TERA PC - General Discussion#119 Gunno12/14/2017, 01:10 AM
No worries, EME as usual ignoring playerbase.
TERA PC - General Discussion#120 Elinu112/14/2017, 01:12 AM
Way to cater to the 1%, brings back 1% memories from 2014
DXM wrote: »
I'm still quite sad with this change. Should be unlimited in the elite bar like the everful nostrum and for significantly longer duration. If it works like the everful nostrum does there is no reason to not make it unlimited use. I get that some people say its a "good" compromise until the toggle gets here, but I can't help but feel that the toggle is something that will never happen and we will be stuck with this forever. That's why I still don't feel this is a positive change for elite.

Agreed.
this is a terrible solution imo. manually using ccbs on every single one of my characters is the annoying part, the "free" ccb is negligible because they're already given out like candy.

The crystalbinds we're adding to the Elite bar will require players to use one every 3 hours. You'll need to click it less often than an Everful Nostrum and it won't take up space in your inventory.
TERA PC - General Discussion#123 Gunno12/14/2017, 01:21 AM
@Spacecats but default ccb 12h, why elite should click it every 3h?
Gunno wrote: »
No worries, EME as usual ignoring playerbase.

The implementation of Elite CCB and resulting changes to this feature are a 100% direct result of player feedback.
TERA PC - General Discussion#125 Pages12/14/2017, 01:22 AM
Spacecats wrote: »
this is a terrible solution imo. manually using ccbs on every single one of my characters is the annoying part, the "free" ccb is negligible because they're already given out like candy.

The crystalbinds we're adding to the Elite bar will require players to use one every 3 hours. You'll need to click it less often than an Everful Nostrum and it won't take up space in your inventory.

Except that's part of the convenience that we have with Continuous Crystalbind--we never have to click it or check it.

I've had MULTIPLE occasions since Continuous Crystalbind came out where I die on an alt and my first thought is "Did I put on a Crystalbind?" It's so convenient to not have to worry about your CCB timing out, dying in a boss fight just to realize that your CCB expired 3 minutes ago and you broke a Vyrsk.

You're make the CCB from Elite less convenient for 2 achievements that could just be removed from the game, similar to how the achievement for dying 100 times was removed from the game. It's a step backwards, and honestly, I'd take the Continuous Crystalbind with the achievements being unobtainable over this new "3 hour" CCB.
Spacecats wrote: »
this is a terrible solution imo. manually using ccbs on every single one of my characters is the annoying part, the "free" ccb is negligible because they're already given out like candy.

The crystalbinds we're adding to the Elite bar will require players to use one every 3 hours. You'll need to click it less often than an Everful Nostrum and it won't take up space in your inventory.

Every 3 hours when for the past month+ people were used to never having to remember at all. Also not as good as every 12 hours which is already massively plentiful in the game.....
TERA PC - General Discussion#127 Gunno12/14/2017, 01:23 AM
And i can see 9 pages with complains - real feedback.
c0g wrote: »
Here's the poll result for Perm CCB so far:
Vote for perm CCB: 1000
Vote for no perm CCB: 1 |d|ot

Adorable.
All that disagree with yourself are either monkeys or idiots by your own words.
TERA PC - General Discussion#129 Naru200812/14/2017, 01:25 AM
Spacecats wrote: »
Gunno wrote: »
No worries, EME as usual ignoring playerbase.

The implementation of Elite CCB and resulting changes to this feature are a 100% direct result of player feedback.

But how many people actually complained? They decided to get Elite KNOWING it would come with permanent complete crystalbind. As far as I am concerned, that's their fault. If they want two minuscule achievements that are only worth 20 points, they can not get Elite. Simple. Why should everyone else who wanted the permanent crystalbind be punished for the ignorance of others?

EDIT: Not to mention that those two achievements should have never existed. It's counter-productive and just encourages users to blow gold, which is already blown a lot with Arsenal, to replace their crystals.
TERA PC - General Discussion#130 Pages12/14/2017, 01:28 AM
Naru2008 wrote: »
Spacecats wrote: »
Gunno wrote: »
No worries, EME as usual ignoring playerbase.

The implementation of Elite CCB and resulting changes to this feature are a 100% direct result of player feedback.

But how many people actually complained? They decided to get Elite KNOWING it would come with permanent complete crystalbind. As far as I am concerned, that's their fault. If they want two minuscule achievements that are only worth 20 points, they can not get Elite. Simple. Why should everyone else who wanted the permanent crystalbind be punished for the ignorance of others?

The worst part of this is that they're changing Continuous Crystalbind because of two achievements. Achivements that are not essential to gameplay. Achievements that assist you in getting a cosmetic laurel for your class. Achievements that are NOT required to get your laurel, as they only total 40 points.

It leaves a bad taste in the mouths of players. Once you get these achievements in question, the new crystalbinds are automatically less convenient than the old ones. The Continuous Crystalbind is only "less" convenient if you need these 2 achievements, and out of the people that do need them, most players don't even care about their laurels...
Xristosx wrote: »
First of all if you read my post i was well aware of the 24 x 3 hour crystal binds since i actually mentioned it in the part of the post you didn't quote. Now 3 hour crystal binds (im not gonna call it a complete one because that is a disservice to it) are going to be frustrating for ALOT of players who play the game because people will forget to put them on and will constantly break crystals and everytime that happens they will remember that EME took away their ability to have a permanent CCB and that will build ire with people.
It's almost the same as the other consumable buffs on the bar except they last 30 minutes. You could still just click to re-apply the CCB at the same time you re-apply the other buffs, and in the vast majority of cases you still wouldn't run out. It's even harder to remember to re-apply a 12-hour CCB because of how long passes.

Xristosx wrote: »
If people wanted to get the achievement that badly they would of waited for their elite to run out, do the achievement then pop elite back on 10 minutes later. This work around that EME has proposed is literally the worst thing they could of done bar removing it.
You really think they're going to tell people as their official solution to this complaint "oh, we recommend you cancel your Elite subscription so you can get these in-game achievements, and then add Elite again later?" Every time someone gets a new character? That's not a valid answer to the problem they created. I'm sure most would agree that having BHS remove the achievements is a better long-term solution, but for now they're still there.

Xristosx wrote: »
So at the damn minimum we should be given 12 hour CCBs x 24 AT THE MINIMUM.
I realize CCB are dirt cheap at the moment, though it may not always be the case. But someone getting a 1-day promo Elite voucher and then popping 12-hour CCB on all their alts isn't the intention either.

All in all, I think the always-on was better too, but given the situation the solution makes sense. Having it be unlimited like nostrums would also be fine, if that were possible, but if BHS is going to have to program anything, a toggle would be better-still (or get rid of the achievements).
Xristosx wrote: »
Either put unlimited 12 hour ones on the bar or give us back the permanent. Because your 3 hour solution isn't a solution, its a band-aid to a problem YOU GUYS CREATED. So stop creating problems just to fix it and say hey were the good guys look. Because thats a [filtered] business practice, You lose your players trust over time and as im sure your aware of us "salty" old players, we keep losing more and more trust every day. Eventually it'll pop.

This broker business is a gross over-reaction that will be corrected once the patch hits -- it's just people taking advantage of FUD. You'll have 24 3-hour ones on the bar per server, so there is not enough time in the day for it to run out. Even if your account had 18 characters on the server, they could each get one 3-hour CCB and have 6 leftover. The people doing this flipping are just hoping that people haven't paid attention and only got so far as "they're turning off permanent CCB" to spin their excess CCB before everyone realizes what's going on.

It's too bad there wasn't an option to "short" items on the broker somehow, because I guarantee this will come back crashing down.

(Source: Updated patch notes)

Oh but you CAN run out. Because everything with the word "veteran" in it ends when a crystal would have broken.

So, say I'm learning a dungeon. If I die a LOT, I could easily go through all 24. in one day.
TERA PC - General Discussion#133 Gunno12/14/2017, 01:39 AM
@Spacecats you just ruined all elite - elite player can die 24 times per day and must use ccb every death. Is it your solution? If yes, then "thx"
TERA PC - General Discussion#134 Naru200812/14/2017, 01:41 AM
Catservant wrote: »
Xristosx wrote: »
Either put unlimited 12 hour ones on the bar or give us back the permanent. Because your 3 hour solution isn't a solution, its a band-aid to a problem YOU GUYS CREATED. So stop creating problems just to fix it and say hey were the good guys look. Because thats a [filtered] business practice, You lose your players trust over time and as im sure your aware of us "salty" old players, we keep losing more and more trust every day. Eventually it'll pop.

This broker business is a gross over-reaction that will be corrected once the patch hits -- it's just people taking advantage of FUD. You'll have 24 3-hour ones on the bar per server, so there is not enough time in the day for it to run out. Even if your account had 18 characters on the server, they could each get one 3-hour CCB and have 6 leftover. The people doing this flipping are just hoping that people haven't paid attention and only got so far as "they're turning off permanent CCB" to spin their excess CCB before everyone realizes what's going on.

It's too bad there wasn't an option to "short" items on the broker somehow, because I guarantee this will come back crashing down.

(Source: Updated patch notes)

Oh but you CAN run out. Because everything with the word "veteran" in it ends when a crystal would have broken.

So, say I'm learning a dungeon. If I die a LOT, I could easily go through all 24. in one day.

Or in an hour, even. But that's neither here nor there, as you're pretty much correct.
Gunno wrote: »
@Spacecats you just ruined all elite - elite player can die 24 times per day and must use ccb every death. Is it your solution? If yes, then "thx"

There is a difference between "Crystalbind" which expires after protecting a crystal and "Complete Crystalbind" which remains for the full duration regardless of how many crystals it protects. This change may be awful and the whole elite "update" wasn't well thought out at all but don't go around providing false information.

However when this change does happen tomorrow and they use CBs instead of CCBs, well then they just massively screwed up on a whole new level.
Catservant wrote: »
Xristosx wrote: »
Either put unlimited 12 hour ones on the bar or give us back the permanent. Because your 3 hour solution isn't a solution, its a band-aid to a problem YOU GUYS CREATED. So stop creating problems just to fix it and say hey were the good guys look. Because thats a [filtered] business practice, You lose your players trust over time and as im sure your aware of us "salty" old players, we keep losing more and more trust every day. Eventually it'll pop.

This broker business is a gross over-reaction that will be corrected once the patch hits -- it's just people taking advantage of FUD. You'll have 24 3-hour ones on the bar per server, so there is not enough time in the day for it to run out. Even if your account had 18 characters on the server, they could each get one 3-hour CCB and have 6 leftover. The people doing this flipping are just hoping that people haven't paid attention and only got so far as "they're turning off permanent CCB" to spin their excess CCB before everyone realizes what's going on.

It's too bad there wasn't an option to "short" items on the broker somehow, because I guarantee this will come back crashing down.

(Source: Updated patch notes)

Oh but you CAN run out. Because everything with the word "veteran" in it ends when a crystal would have broken.

So, say I'm learning a dungeon. If I die a LOT, I could easily go through all 24. in one day.

That's obviously a bug, because it makes no sense, and it never worked that way before. The "veteran" just denoted untradable.
TERA PC - General Discussion#137 Gunno12/14/2017, 01:52 AM
@Partyblast you can just login and read description for Complete Veteran Crystalbind from VG reward
Gunno wrote: »
@Partyblast you can just login and read description for Complete Veteran Crystalbind from VG reward
It's a bug in the text only. It actually works exactly like a CCB. Apparently the text will be fixed tomorrow.
Catservant wrote: »
Partyblast wrote: »
Gunno wrote: »
@Spacecats you just ruined all elite - elite player can die 24 times per day and must use ccb every death. Is it your solution? If yes, then "thx"

There is a difference between "Crystalbind" which expires after protecting a crystal and "Complete Crystalbind" which remains for the full duration regardless of how many crystals it protects. This change may be awful and the whole elite "update" wasn't well thought out at all but don't go around providing false information.

However when this change does happen tomorrow and they use CBs instead of CCBs, well then they just massively screwed up on a whole new level.
Catservant wrote: »

Oh but you CAN run out. Because everything with the word "veteran" in it ends when a crystal would have broken.

So, say I'm learning a dungeon. If I die a LOT, I could easily go through all 24. in one day.

Veteran actually just represents it's untradeable status, it was the same wording used on Instance Reset Scrolls.

I just checked in game. Veteren's CCB (I have two versions in bank of Veteren's COMPLETE Crystal Bind) expire when the crystal would have. It says so, on the tooltip, anyway.

Tooltips are very inconsistent on many things, and reporting them doesn't usually get it fixed sadly. :shrug:
Gunno wrote: »
@Partyblast you can just login and read description for Complete Veteran Crystalbind from VG reward
It's a bug in the text only. It actually works exactly like a CCB. Apparently the text will be fixed tomorrow.

GRAZZI! I sit corrected.
TERA PC - General Discussion#141 Avignon12/14/2017, 01:58 AM
Seriously? Removing the continuous crystalbind? So now if I decide to run on my mystic,which isn't my main, I have to remember a ccb and not use one of the two vet ones on my main so I can safely run on mystic? So when my sorc's runs out I better just make sure I live? I mean ok, I do have a lot of ccb stocked up...but once I run out of them. Or what about when I decide I finally wanna learn ti play ninja. Then I gotta split these new vet ccb between three characters and prioritize?

All this cause a select few, very few, people want hidden achievements that won't keep them from getting champion laurel? This was a good thing for people to get with paying for elite. Now what do I get for elite? The journal and the other thing. Mount...meh, I have a flying mount as does everyone who has hit 65. So what do I get? The journal and the other thing...not really worth it on their own.
The whole concept of having to die with a chance of breaking a crystal 30 times is silly on itself. These sort of achievements died along with the old Tera, that took months to level to hardcap, BAMS that were a challenge to kill, and open PvP which you would often be forced to take part in when farming nodes, kumas for semis or participating in allience. Now its a joke cause everything got removed, no more nexus, no more alliences, no more gvg and no open world pvp, u log in everyday for 2x guillie runs, 4x pit of petrax and IoD until u get capped or bored and afk in highwatch for dungeon or fwc to pop and thats where the whole game ends.

Its all because EVERYTHING IS BEING REMOVED!!!! MIGHT ASWELL QUIT THIS DEAD GAME.
Avignon wrote: »
Seriously? Removing the continuous crystalbind? So now if I decide to run on my mystic,which isn't my main, I have to remember a ccb and not use one of the two vet ones on my main so I can safely run on mystic? So when my sorc's runs out I better just make sure I live? I mean ok, I do have a lot of ccb stocked up...but once I run out of them. Or what about when I decide I finally wanna learn ti play ninja. Then I gotta split these new vet ccb between three characters and prioritize?

It's more inconvenient to have to click the bar, but you won't have to split and prioritize. 24 x 3hr per day means you'll have enough for all, and they do work just like regular CCBs (don't expire upon crystal breakage).
TERA PC - General Discussion#144 Xristosx12/14/2017, 02:04 AM
Well this is player feed back if this forum shows anything. So keep the old changes or people will see it like this.
a9mLgCA.jpg
Xristosx wrote: »
Well this is player feed back if this forum shows anything. So keep the old changes or people will see it like this.
https://i.imgur.com/a9mLgCA.jpg

They'll visibly see the CCB item right on the bar when they login, so SAO is a terrible example... lol
Xristosx wrote: »
Well this is player feed back if this forum shows anything. So keep the old changes or people will see it like this.
https://i.imgur.com/a9mLgCA.jpg

10/10
Creative, very nice.
(No sarcasm intended)
TERA PC - General Discussion#147 c0g12/14/2017, 02:16 AM
Spacecats wrote: »
Gunno wrote: »
No worries, EME as usual ignoring playerbase.

The implementation of Elite CCB and resulting changes to this feature are a 100% direct result of player feedback.

Guys, if we all want the Perm CCB back up again, we should all send FRESH feedback to ask it back. Then EME will have to implement the Perm CCB feature that would be a "100% direct result of FRESH player feedback". I will send my ticket and make it a TOGGLE ON/OFF feature that doesn't change (even if you LOG OFF) until you toggle it again. This should be a win-win solution to assuage both sides. I ll share a printscreen of my ticket here. It would help to give a sense of how strong player requests are for this feature if you could put yours up here as well.
TERA PC - General Discussion#148 kairek12/14/2017, 02:23 AM
I fail to see why you can’t just add potion in store that would make your crystals BREAKABLE for 30 min for everyone? Like reverse cb placed just next to drop dmg reduction one? Wouldn’t it fix problem for EVERYONE both ccb stuck completionist and elite players who need achivments for any reasons...? No need to nerf liked feature.
kairek wrote: »
I fail to see why you can’t just add potion in store that would make your crystals BREAKABLE for 30 min for everyone? Like reverse cb placed just next to drop dmg reduction one? Wouldn’t it fix problem for EVERYONE both ccb stuck completionist and elite players who need achivments for any reasons...? No need to nerf liked feature.

Because it's something BHS would have to program and add to the game. In the grand scheme of things, it would be one of many possible options, but it doesn't change the short-term.
Naru2008 wrote: »
Spacecats wrote: »
Gunno wrote: »
No worries, EME as usual ignoring playerbase.

The implementation of Elite CCB and resulting changes to this feature are a 100% direct result of player feedback.

But how many people actually complained? They decided to get Elite KNOWING it would come with permanent complete crystalbind. As far as I am concerned, that's their fault. If they want two minuscule achievements that are only worth 20 points, they can not get Elite. Simple.

Some players want Elite and the ability to get the same in-game achievements as everyone else. This isn't a mistake on any player's part, just just an unintended consequence. There's no use in blaming players for getting (or already having) Elite status.
Why should everyone else who wanted the permanent crystalbind be punished for the ignorance of others?

This definitely isn't intended as any sort of punishment. This method has a single downside vs. the perma-buff, and that's having to click the Elite bar once every few hours of play. I won't argue that having to click a thing is more convenient vs. not having to click a thing, but it's a solution that doesn't punish anyone looking to complete game content that should be available to everybody.[/quote]
EDIT: Not to mention that those two achievements should have never existed. It's counter-productive and just encourages users to blow gold, which is already blown a lot with Arsenal, to replace their crystals.

While the achievements definitely aren't required it's a bit harsh to say they should't have ever existed. Not all game content needs to revolve around making gold and enchanting gear. If that's all there was to TERA we wouldn't need any of the awesome story moments or quests that make the game what it is.
TERA PC - General Discussion#151 kairek12/14/2017, 02:29 AM
> @counterpoint said:
Because it's something BHS would have to program and add to the game. In the grand scheme of things, it would be one of many possible options, but it doesn't change the short-term.

I thought we already have/had consumables that were not in ktera?
TERA PC - General Discussion#152 Xristosx12/14/2017, 02:30 AM
Another thing to mention i stayed logged into the game longer because i didn't need to care about ccb, but not since it'll be 3 hours ill have to close the game so i don't accidentally forget next time i log on and immediately break a crystal.
kairek wrote: »
> @counterpoint said:
Because it's something BHS would have to program and add to the game. In the grand scheme of things, it would be one of many possible options, but it doesn't change the short-term.

I thought we already have/had consumables that were not in ktera?

It's not that they couldn't conceivably do it, but it'd have to be programmed by BHS (even if other regions didn't get it). This is basically a short-term fix. If BHS were going to do work, I'd rather some of the other options on the table (i.e. making CCB toggleable option, removing the achievements, making the achievements so that it counts when a crystal "would have" broken if you're wearing a CCB, etc. etc.)
TERA PC - General Discussion#154 Xristosx12/14/2017, 02:42 AM
Spacecats wrote: »
Why should everyone else who wanted the permanent crystalbind be punished for the ignorance of others?

This definitely isn't intended as any sort of punishment. This method has a single downside vs. the perma-buff, and that's having to click the Elite bar once every few hours of play. I won't argue that having to click a thing is more convenient vs. not having to click a thing, but it's a solution that doesn't punish anyone looking to complete game content that should be available to everybody.

How is something normally permanently on then being changed to not permanently on and requiring constant input not a punishment? Do you actually play the game longer than 1-2 hours a week? I was happy when we got the permanent but now you guys have to remove it and your toting it as a solution to a problem that we should praise you guys when it is causing a inconvenience for 99% of the player base.
If were catering to the 0.1% of the player base then, how about we also buff the RKEM drops since their crap, or how about RKEM doesnt give any metamorphic tokens despite KTERA giving out 4k tokens each clear(how is NA getting worse drops then the grindier version of tera?), or letsee another minor problem why does RKHM give the same gear exp as RKNM and TRHM? When it requires far more effort than those 2 dungeons.
Spacecats wrote: »
this is a terrible solution imo. manually using ccbs on every single one of my characters is the annoying part, the "free" ccb is negligible because they're already given out like candy.

The crystalbinds we're adding to the Elite bar will require players to use one every 3 hours. You'll need to click it less often than an Everful Nostrum and it won't take up space in your inventory.

??? how does this address my concern? I have infinite free ccbs in my bank that last 4x as long as the elite ones already. not to mention the hundreds of 1 hour garbage ones vanguard gives out now, or the 1-use ones that i literally throw on the floor because they're worse than useless. the fact is, this change gives us one more chore to do every time we change chars, or start a fight or do anything. you're making elite worse because a few people complained about 20 achievement points, several months after promising to make elite better.
TERA PC - General Discussion#156 c0g12/14/2017, 02:53 AM
It is clear EME will not make any further changes unless perhaps we pile them with NEW FEEDBACK. Let's not deviate from the subject any further. If any of you want the Perm CCB back bad enough for the foreseeable future, submit your ticket already, don't let other ideas sidetrack you.

Here's mine:

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And here's the same in text form (for those too lazy to write a new ticket all over again and just wish to copy and paste):

Dear Support

As an Elite player, I am absolutely disappointed that you guys have decided to remove the Permanent CCB feature from the Elite bar just so "To unblock elite status players from gaining the “Imperfect Crystals” and “Ideal Crystals” achievements", that I understand is a "100% direct result of player feedback" previously, as Spacecats has explained.

The reason why we asked for the Permanent CCB feature for Elite status is precisely so we do not have to constantly mind or worry if the CCB effect has been activated while we are in combat. Despite numerous players sounding this out in the forums (https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/19588/permanent-crystal-bind-being-removed-discussion/p1), EME has FAILED TO UNDERSTAND what elite status players really want. It is not free CCB we are asking, NO and DO NOT mistake us for this, but a permanent feature just so elite players need not ever think about whether the CCB effect is on whenever they go into a fight.

You guys have kindly gave us this feature for the past month, and we have been so appreciative of it, but only for it to be replaced by a temporary CCB effect that has to be activated every X hours. This is as good as not putting any CCB feature on the Elite bar at all. Players will still have to remind themselves to activate the CCB effect every so often, which defeats the entire purpose to begin with.

In the same way you have so removed the Permanent CB effect which is a "100% direct result of player feedback", I will now submit my feedback to ask for a win-win solution for both types of elite users:

PLEASE INTRODUCE A TOGGLE ON/OFF CCB FEATURE (as suggested here https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/195300/#Comment_195300) IN THE ELITE BAR, AND ONE THAT DOESN'T CHANGE EVEN IF THE PLAYER LOGS OFF, UNTIL THE PLAYER DECIDES TO TOGGLE THE OPTION.

This should not be a difficult feature to implement. It would surely satisfy elite players seeking the achievements concerned, as well as the larger elite player base who do not wish to ever mind if the CCB effect has been activated.

Thank you.
c0g wrote: »
And here's the same in text form (for those too lazy to write a new ticket all over again and just wish to copy and paste):

To be honest, they'll probably tell you to post game suggestions on the forum. The original issue actually was a support issue because part of the game was broken. Although the method of solving the problem isn't great, they've now eliminated the support issue. EME already knows full-well that people would prefer a toggle or some other better solution, but it depends on BHS to program it. Either that or BHS has to remove the achievements. Support has no say in what features get implemented by BHS.
c0g wrote: »
And here's the same in text form (for those too lazy to write a new ticket all over again and just wish to copy and paste):

To be honest, they'll probably tell you to post game suggestions on the forum. The original issue actually was a support issue because part of the game was broken. Although the method of solving the problem isn't great, they've now eliminated the support issue. EME already knows full-well that people would prefer a toggle or some other better solution, but it depends on BHS to program it. Either that or BHS has to remove the achievements. Support has no say in what features get implemented by BHS.

Game suggestions section is "retired".
Unless I misunderstood.
Margarethe wrote: »
c0g wrote: »
And here's the same in text form (for those too lazy to write a new ticket all over again and just wish to copy and paste):

To be honest, they'll probably tell you to post game suggestions on the forum. The original issue actually was a support issue because part of the game was broken. Although the method of solving the problem isn't great, they've now eliminated the support issue. EME already knows full-well that people would prefer a toggle or some other better solution, but it depends on BHS to program it. Either that or BHS has to remove the achievements. Support has no say in what features get implemented by BHS.

Game suggestions section is "retired".
Unless I misunderstood.

I mean, here in general -- i.e. in this thread. In other words, it'll just come back full circle, but will take their time for something they can't help you with. The change didn't happen because people "petitioned" support like some sort of poll, but because it was an actual support issue.
TERA PC - General Discussion#160 Yube12/14/2017, 03:26 AM
WTH?! I liked the idea of permanent ccb, this way I finally don't forget to turn it on and lose crystals :v and now I have to get along with just 24x3 hour ccb? 24 that only lasts 3 hours?! seriously? for crybabies that wanted 2 dumb achievements u decide to downgrade it for ALL players? Like wth you think I will remember to turn it on every 3 hours?!...
EDIT: so can i write support for every broken crystal? ^^
TERA PC - General Discussion#161 c0g12/14/2017, 03:31 AM
Margarethe wrote: »
c0g wrote: »
And here's the same in text form (for those too lazy to write a new ticket all over again and just wish to copy and paste):

To be honest, they'll probably tell you to post game suggestions on the forum. The original issue actually was a support issue because part of the game was broken. Although the method of solving the problem isn't great, they've now eliminated the support issue. EME already knows full-well that people would prefer a toggle or some other better solution, but it depends on BHS to program it. Either that or BHS has to remove the achievements. Support has no say in what features get implemented by BHS.

Game suggestions section is "retired".
Unless I misunderstood.

I mean, here in general -- i.e. in this thread. In other words, it'll just come back full circle, but will take their time for something they can't help you with. The change didn't happen because people "petitioned" support like some sort of poll, but because it was an actual support issue.

Whatever it takes. Spam the same feedback over and over to Support, in this thread or another, anything to keep this going. Keep this thread alive until we get the TOGGLE feature. I want it back badly enough, do you all?
TERA PC - General Discussion#162 DXM12/14/2017, 03:37 AM
c0g wrote: »
Whatever it takes. Spam the same feedback over and over to Support, in this thread or another, anything to keep this going. Keep this thread alive until we get the TOGGLE feature. I want it back badly enough, do you all?

I have submitted my support ticket for this as well. I care enough to really want perma ccb back permanently.

c0g wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
c0g wrote: »
And here's the same in text form (for those too lazy to write a new ticket all over again and just wish to copy and paste):

To be honest, they'll probably tell you to post game suggestions on the forum. The original issue actually was a support issue because part of the game was broken. Although the method of solving the problem isn't great, they've now eliminated the support issue. EME already knows full-well that people would prefer a toggle or some other better solution, but it depends on BHS to program it. Either that or BHS has to remove the achievements. Support has no say in what features get implemented by BHS.

Game suggestions section is "retired".
Unless I misunderstood.

I mean, here in general -- i.e. in this thread. In other words, it'll just come back full circle, but will take their time for something they can't help you with. The change didn't happen because people "petitioned" support like some sort of poll, but because it was an actual support issue.

Whatever it takes. Spam the same feedback over and over to Support, in this thread or another, anything to keep this going. Keep this thread alive until we get the TOGGLE feature. I want it back badly enough, do you all?

It's not that I don't want toggle (or a different solution that allows permanent CCB to be restored). But if I send support a ticket, it's because there's actually something going on that I really need their help for. I don't want them to start ignoring me (or ban/limit me) because I waste their time with feature requests when I know full-well that it's not their jobs and they can't do anything about it.

For the last 5 1/2 years I've played TERA remembering to click my CCB. I loved the always-on part of Elite, but I can't legitimately be this fatalistic about it. I will still argue for a toggle, removing the achievements, or something else that solves it.
Not sure if it's been mentioned but if they are so concerned with achievements maybe stay consistent and fix the kuma achievements while they are at it, or at least admit that this is all [filtered] and just want to make elite worse again in whatever way they can.

Cause seriously they are horrible at handling achievements as a person who actively hunts them on almost every single one of my characters, and they often leave achievements that are impossible to get for months without putting into legacy. Obvious example is the kuma achievements which are literally impossible to complete since you level to fast on new characters and you cant get into the lower level version on 65 characters, and that has been in the game since they moved BGs into regular set of achievements like what at SSHM or RMHM patch something like that. So, it's clear they don't care about achievements.

Obviously I would want tot keep CCB on perm since well i'm really forgetful and this directly hurts me to help some people get 20 points that rarely if ever is needed to get to next tier of laurel. And again this is coming from someone who at one point had 4 champion characters at once so don't try to nitpick that [filtered].
Not sure if it's been mentioned but if they are so concerned with achievements maybe stay consistent and fix the kuma achievements while they are at it, or at least admit that this is all [filtered] and just want to make elite worse again in whatever way they can.
It's the difference in whose fault it is. Breaking these achievements, EME did by their own decision, and the only other workaround is a) support manually does a thing for everyone who asks, b) telling paying customers to stop subscribing to elite. The broken Kuma achievements, BHS did and they have to fix. That's why, for whatever it's worth.

TERA PC - General Discussion#166 Xristosx12/14/2017, 04:08 AM
Can we get a definitive list of broken and unable to be completed achievements, since their on the path of fixing achievements because their so concerned about it, i think we should compile it and get EME to fix it next week. Because achievements seem to be a big concern of yours. Like how the title achievement hunters still have to deal with the stupid name NIGHTMARE TRAINER that makes absolutely no sense at all. But please keep making more terrible things, you need something to do to make it look like you guys are actually doing something in the office each day.
TERA PC - General Discussion#167 Chido12/14/2017, 04:21 AM
Spacecats wrote: »
Naru2008 wrote: »
Spacecats wrote: »
Gunno wrote: »
No worries, EME as usual ignoring playerbase.

The implementation of Elite CCB and resulting changes to this feature are a 100% direct result of player feedback.

But how many people actually complained? They decided to get Elite KNOWING it would come with permanent complete crystalbind. As far as I am concerned, that's their fault. If they want two minuscule achievements that are only worth 20 points, they can not get Elite. Simple.

Some players want Elite and the ability to get the same in-game achievements as everyone else. This isn't a mistake on any player's part, just just an unintended consequence. There's no use in blaming players for getting (or already having) Elite status.
Why should everyone else who wanted the permanent crystalbind be punished for the ignorance of others?

This definitely isn't intended as any sort of punishment. This method has a single downside vs. the perma-buff, and that's having to click the Elite bar once every few hours of play. I won't argue that having to click a thing is more convenient vs. not having to click a thing, but it's a solution that doesn't punish anyone looking to complete game content that should be available to everybody.
EDIT: Not to mention that those two achievements should have never existed. It's counter-productive and just encourages users to blow gold, which is already blown a lot with Arsenal, to replace their crystals.

While the achievements definitely aren't required it's a bit harsh to say they should't have ever existed. Not all game content needs to revolve around making gold and enchanting gear. If that's all there was to TERA we wouldn't need any of the awesome story moments or quests that make the game what it is.

Spacecats, i like you btw because I think you are trying your best, is it possible to enable an option to turn on CCB through the elite bar and if you click it again it goes away. Similar to nocteniums. If that's possible can you implement it to the nostrums?
Speaking of nocteniums can you add 1000 nocts to the elite bar?
TERA PC - General Discussion#168 Naru200812/14/2017, 04:30 AM
Spacecats wrote: »
EDIT: Not to mention that those two achievements should have never existed. It's counter-productive and just encourages users to blow gold, which is already blown a lot with Arsenal, to replace their crystals.

While the achievements definitely aren't required it's a bit harsh to say they should't have ever existed. Not all game content needs to revolve around making gold and enchanting gear. If that's all there was to TERA we wouldn't need any of the awesome story moments or quests that make the game what it is.

Spacey, it's less about they shouldn't exist because of gold-related reasons, but as I said, they're counter-productive. It's encouraging you to die and break crystals. Anything that encourages you to do something other than keep winning dungeons and progressing further into the story I would say is against the spirit of the game.

(Speaking of awesome story moments, can't wait for the next big story update coming...whenever. lol)
TERA PC - General Discussion#169 Ayi12/14/2017, 04:36 AM
Spacecats wrote: »
this is a terrible solution imo. manually using ccbs on every single one of my characters is the annoying part, the "free" ccb is negligible because they're already given out like candy.

The crystalbinds we're adding to the Elite bar will require players to use one every 3 hours. You'll need to click it less often than an Everful Nostrum and it won't take up space in your inventory.

Might as well just scrap the whole CCB idea.

A 3 hour CCB is still outdone by the previous Complete Crystalbind that lasts for 12 hours. For the QoL of not having to click the 3 hour or having it run off randomly, people are just going to use the 12 hours. Just scrap the whole idea, or make it toggle-able.
Spacecats wrote: »
Gunno wrote: »
No worries, EME as usual ignoring playerbase.

The implementation of Elite CCB and resulting changes to this feature are a 100% direct result of player feedback.

The direct feedback of about 10 people who probably aren't even level 65 yet.
TERA PC - General Discussion#170 Rxkt12/14/2017, 05:06 AM
well anyway i hope it's clear to everyone that making 6 hour crystalbind pissed off more players than having it on perma lol

perhaps eme should do more polls and let the players decide things before they change up things
TERA PC - General Discussion#171 kubitoid12/14/2017, 05:13 AM
@eme, i suggest removing elite status in general and concentrating on better lootboxes promotion and distribution. bet my rotten teeth they r much more profitable
Rxkt wrote: »
perhaps eme should do more polls and let the players decide things before they change up things

The problem is that the options people would want on the poll (get rid of the achievements, make a toggleable CCB option, create an item to temporarily turn off CCB, etc.) are not available as immediate options since they require BHS, and the other options that many people would vote for (ignore the "whiners", tell the people who want these achievements they don't really need them, tell people to unsubscribe to Elite to get the achievements) are not actual options. So having a "vote" would be pointless.
TERA PC - General Discussion#173 ElinUsagi12/14/2017, 05:20 AM
Chido wrote: »
Speaking of nocteniums can you add 1000 nocts to the elite bar?

How about a 30 minutes nocterium elixir?
kubitoid wrote: »
@eme, i suggest removing elite status in general and concentrating on better lootboxes promotion and distribution. bet my rotten teeth they r much more profitable

They maybe are working in the new iron man and devas costumes in a new loot box (with increased chances to get the costume) 799 EMP each.
kubitoid wrote: »
@eme, i suggest removing elite status in general and concentrating on better lootboxes promotion and distribution. bet my rotten teeth they r much more profitable

*Pets troll*

Kubitoid, you are my favorite troll. Your posts are clever pokes at everything, exaggerated enough to be clearly absurd, and -- can I just say that your picture is just the most appropriate image I can imagine.

*hugs*
TERA PC - General Discussion#175 Obs12/14/2017, 05:23 AM
Spacecats wrote: »
Why should everyone else who wanted the permanent crystalbind be punished for the ignorance of others?

This definitely isn't intended as any sort of punishment. This method has a single downside vs. the perma-buff, and that's having to click the Elite bar once every few hours of play. I won't argue that having to click a thing is more convenient vs. not having to click a thing, but it's a solution that doesn't punish anyone looking to complete game content that should be available to everybody.

People will be more inconvenienced by losing their Focused crystal or a Hardy crystal in a dungeon after a death. People constantly forget things before starting a fight or after getting ressed, like Nostrums/Battle Solutions. CCBs being longer duration make them even easier to forget. The achievements are available to everybody. They just need to not auto-renew their Elite (or not use a Voucher when their Elite expires) for an hour and do the achievements, then get Elite/use a voucher.

There's also the issue of the CCB bubble.
Rxkt wrote: »
perhaps eme should do more polls and let the players decide things before they change up things

The problem is that the options people would want on the poll (get rid of the achievements, make a toggleable CCB option, create an item to temporarily turn off CCB, etc.) are not available as immediate options since they require BHS, and the other options that many people would vote for (ignore the "whiners", tell the people who want these achievements they don't really need them, tell people to unsubscribe to Elite to get the achievements) are not actual options. So having a "vote" would be pointless.

How about leaving it alone until BHS can make a change?
Obs wrote: »
How about leaving it alone until BHS can make a change?
It just encourages anyone who really wants these achievements to cancel their Elite subscriptions because it's otherwise impossible to get them due to EME's decision to provide the CCB benefit in the previous way. Which is not a solution any business would accept as a viable option, whether that's what we might suggest or not.

TERA PC - General Discussion#177 Xristosx12/14/2017, 05:44 AM
Obs wrote: »
How about leaving it alone until BHS can make a change?
It just encourages anyone who really wants these achievements to cancel their Elite subscriptions because it's otherwise impossible to get them due to EME's decision to provide the CCB benefit in the previous way. Which is not a solution any business would accept as a viable option, whether that's what we might suggest or not.

It encourages people who want you guys to change it back to permanent to cancel their elite subscriptions
TERA PC - General Discussion#178 Rxkt12/14/2017, 05:49 AM
i'm sure 1 or 2 un-subscriptions would be better than a community screaming at eme once again, given all the recent posts in general discussion.

for the tremendous feedback for EME making ccb non-permanent again, i think it would be wiser to make it permanent and THEN ask for a solution for achievement-seeking people. rather than the other way around, which is for EME to receive more backlash for temporary ccb until they find a solution.

personally i would add to patch notes or whatever:
"Bug Notes:
Elite has permanent CCB so the achievements are unavailable right now. We are working to find a solution with BHS so please wait until then"

because honestly speaking people can wait for achievements
Xristosx wrote: »
Obs wrote: »
How about leaving it alone until BHS can make a change?
It just encourages anyone who really wants these achievements to cancel their Elite subscriptions because it's otherwise impossible to get them due to EME's decision to provide the CCB benefit in the previous way. Which is not a solution any business would accept as a viable option, whether that's what we might suggest or not.

It encourages people who want you guys to change it back to permanent to cancel their elite subscriptions

Counting me as "you guys" is pointless. The only reason I'm trying to explain all this [filtered] is in the hopes of understanding the arguments and proposing a better compromise, if one exists. Quitting over a benefit we went 5 1/2 years without given the compromise presented seems a bit much to me, but if you feel that strongly about it, you should quit and be sure to tell them exactly why. Maybe they could use that as leverage with BHS to put a real solution in place that isn't a workaround. Everyone agrees that the toggle would be better as a permanent solution.
Why this elite perk has to be renewed every three hours?? What is the point of it then? Its worse than 12 hr.
Why this elite perk has to be renewed every three hours?? What is the point of it then? Its worse than 12 hr.

Basically because one-day promo Elite is a thing, and they don't want people to use promo elite to get free 12-hour CCB on every one of their alts across all servers. If it could expire when the subscription expires, that'd obviously be another story.
Why this elite perk has to be renewed every three hours?? What is the point of it then? Its worse than 12 hr.

Basically because one-day promo Elite is a thing, and they don't want people to use promo elite to get free 12-hour CCB on every one of their alts across all servers. If it could expire when the subscription expires, that'd obviously be another story.

Seriously? That's your reason, saving 50 gold per character once? When promo events that give 1-Day Elite also tend to give out gems worth thousands?

Look, I know Player Council's views have to match EME's, but there is no point trying to defend this whole ordeal.
Why this elite perk has to be renewed every three hours?? What is the point of it then? Its worse than 12 hr.

Basically because one-day promo Elite is a thing, and they don't want people to use promo elite to get free 12-hour CCB on every one of their alts across all servers. If it could expire when the subscription expires, that'd obviously be another story.

wow! a one day promo elite to scam the system out of... a maximum of like 5k gold? assuming 18 characters per server? next you'll be telling me they're changing nostrums to 5 minutes
TERA PC - General Discussion#184 Yamazuki12/14/2017, 07:55 AM
Look, I know Player Council's views have to match EME's, but there is no point trying to defend this whole ordeal.
They don't have to, and don't always. I would prefer if the achievements were simply removed or just ignored considering you wouldn't really need them, and most people are unaware of them. Although, EME can't remove them and clearly don't want to ignore them either.
While we're at it, since we no longer have perm ccb, can we get a function on the elite bar with the hyper super turbo no cd whatever fancy name on it. Cause you know, it's putting value into elite sub so I can spend pretty penny I found on the parking lot.
TERA PC - General Discussion#186 Xristosx12/14/2017, 08:05 AM
Xristosx wrote: »
Obs wrote: »
How about leaving it alone until BHS can make a change?
It just encourages anyone who really wants these achievements to cancel their Elite subscriptions because it's otherwise impossible to get them due to EME's decision to provide the CCB benefit in the previous way. Which is not a solution any business would accept as a viable option, whether that's what we might suggest or not.

It encourages people who want you guys to change it back to permanent to cancel their elite subscriptions

Counting me as "you guys" is pointless. The only reason I'm trying to explain all this [filtered] is in the hopes of understanding the arguments and proposing a better compromise, if one exists. Quitting over a benefit we went 5 1/2 years without given the compromise presented seems a bit much to me, but if you feel that strongly about it, you should quit and be sure to tell them exactly why. Maybe they could use that as leverage with BHS to put a real solution in place that isn't a workaround. Everyone agrees that the toggle would be better as a permanent solution.

I count you are "you guys" because you are part of EME or if you dont want to say that then, your apart of the player council. I've had the game since launch but i've only been playing the past 3 years and the entire time we had 12 hour CCB in abundance, so why is 3 hour ccb's the solution? How is that a perk of elite, its like having a perk that gives you double the amount of gold drops and then removing gold drops from everything.... oh wait i forgot that happened 2 years ago and we still have double gold drops as a completely useless perk, but once again im glad eme is constantly tweaking elite to better suit their problems.
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Why this elite perk has to be renewed every three hours?? What is the point of it then? Its worse than 12 hr.

Basically because one-day promo Elite is a thing, and they don't want people to use promo elite to get free 12-hour CCB on every one of their alts across all servers. If it could expire when the subscription expires, that'd obviously be another story.
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I'm sorry what....did you read what you typed, Who in their right mind would be using elite just to get "free" 12 hour CCB's on all their alts.. what you can farm like one in a few minutes, I seriously doubt someone got one day elite for CCB's, you know what people would of got elite for? for a permanent ccb. Its called QoL things. Why bother having a travel journal/village atlas, you can technically teleport to all the cities in the game you just need a scroll, or maybe we should also change it to 24 travel journals and 24 village atlases every day, why not put a 3 hour mount as the elite daily thing, or why not have only 1 free ghillie scroll.
The real issue is that we were given something and everyone was happy with it and now you decided the best plan of action was taking it away and giving us a worse solution and thought we would be fine with that? What is this madness. Like theres been some decisions in the past thats annoyed me, but this takes the cake. This is such a lack of understanding of the game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#187 Obs12/14/2017, 08:06 AM
Obs wrote: »
How about leaving it alone until BHS can make a change?
It just encourages anyone who really wants these achievements to cancel their Elite subscriptions because it's otherwise impossible to get them due to EME's decision to provide the CCB benefit in the previous way. Which is not a solution any business would accept as a viable option, whether that's what we might suggest or not.

Cancelling for 10 minutes for every character they care about before renewing is pretty different.
Seriously? That's your reason, saving 50 gold per character once? When promo events that give 1-Day Elite also tend to give out gems worth thousands?
wow! a one day promo elite to scam the system out of... a maximum of like 5k gold? assuming 18 characters per server? next you'll be telling me they're changing nostrums to 5 minutes
Xristosx wrote: »
I'm sorry what....did you read what you typed, Who in their right mind would be using elite just to get "free" 12 hour CCB's on all their alts.. what you can farm like one in a few minutes, I seriously doubt someone got one day elite for CCB's, you know what people would of got elite for? for a permanent ccb.

I'm just explaining why they did that -- because they give you 24x every day so that every character on an account can get one. Giving 24x12 hours is 12 days worth, per server per day.

I also said repeatedly that I want the toggle or for them to remove the achievements. But if you ask why did they do it... that's why. So give me a convincing argument why it should be 12, other than "I can already get 12-hour CCB in game for cheap anyway" -- which isn't really a convincing argument to change anything if it's plentiful.

Again, I'm not doing this to "defend EME." I've already advocated for the toggle or removing the achievement! But if you can't convince me of your argument, it's not likely to convince them to change the compromise for now.
this is so miserable...i can't believe it. And this is the reason they spoil this perk to so big amount of players? because they dont want to give 12hr of ccb that worth 5 gold to buy be used without pay? So they ruin all to people who actually in most paying money and begging for normal worthy perk so they could continue giving their money? From all existing ways they chosen the worst.

Do they really think we can't buy ccb
When they will understand that the point was NOT in amount of ccb its duration and the method of delivery. It was in fact that we don't need to track this pointless thing!

I feel sick from eme. Have nothing else to say.

Good luck.
Seriously? That's your reason, saving 50 gold per character once? When promo events that give 1-Day Elite also tend to give out gems worth thousands?
wow! a one day promo elite to scam the system out of... a maximum of like 5k gold? assuming 18 characters per server? next you'll be telling me they're changing nostrums to 5 minutes
Xristosx wrote: »
I'm sorry what....did you read what you typed, Who in their right mind would be using elite just to get "free" 12 hour CCB's on all their alts.. what you can farm like one in a few minutes, I seriously doubt someone got one day elite for CCB's, you know what people would of got elite for? for a permanent ccb.

I'm just explaining why they did that -- because they give you 24x every day so that every character on an account can get one. Giving 24x12 hours is 12 days worth, per server per day.

I also said repeatedly that I want the toggle or for them to remove the achievements. But if you ask why did they do it... that's why. So give me a convincing argument why it should be 12, other than "I can already get 12-hour CCB in game for cheap anyway" -- which isn't really a convincing argument to change anything if it's plentiful. You're not selling the need for the change at all.

Again, I'm not doing this to "defend EME." I've already advocated for the toggle or removing the achievement! But if you can't convince me of your argument, it's not likely to convince them to change the compromise for now. And they're not going to argue about it; they're just going to ignore it and move on with their lives because it's "good enough" considering their goals. So make a convincing argument, finally.

You've just exactly explained our point. removing the ccb from elite entirely is exactly identical in function to giving us 24 useless ones each day. i'm just going to use 12 hour ccbs on all my characters anyway. Then i'm going to break crystals because i forgot to push a button i shouldn't have had to push in the first place. Why a toggle or remove the achievement? it's a pointless achievement anyway, why not just award it to every elite player? it's not like it's difficult to get or anything special, if elite stops people from getting it, just make everyone who is elite get it for free? i get that you'll say "but people will 1 day elite!!!!!!@111!" but that's honestly a joke, if you think that is abuse you're living in a different universe. Decisions like this just make me more and more certain that nobody at eme actually plays their own game and that's why every choice they make is so disconnected from it. Even with the complete lack of understanding of tera they consistently demonstrate, people should be able to see why this is such an annoying change. Imagine you signed up for car insurance and then after a month they call you and say "we're going to need you to call us every 3 hours if you want to keep your car insurance, because otherwise you wouldn't be able to experience driving without car insurance." then they hang up on you.
TERA PC - General Discussion#191 c0g12/14/2017, 08:55 AM
Maybe they realized the folly of giving us the Perm CCB feature in the past month, that it runs contrary to the original intention of making crystals breakable, and they've decided to take it back and force players to play the game and manage ingame elements as it was intended, and no they're not gonna tell you the REAL reason for withdrawing this feature, but that its removal is a "100% direct result of player feedback".

"You fools, why did you give them that feature!? They're never going to lose any crystals this way and that would defeat the original purpose of making crystals breakable. Here we are trying to make players lose their gold, and there you are giving them this permanent crystal preserving feature. Take it back at once, take it all back, you idiots!"

"Ohh.. okay... yes right, on the double!"

Seriously? That's your reason, saving 50 gold per character once? When promo events that give 1-Day Elite also tend to give out gems worth thousands?
wow! a one day promo elite to scam the system out of... a maximum of like 5k gold? assuming 18 characters per server? next you'll be telling me they're changing nostrums to 5 minutes
Xristosx wrote: »
I'm sorry what....did you read what you typed, Who in their right mind would be using elite just to get "free" 12 hour CCB's on all their alts.. what you can farm like one in a few minutes, I seriously doubt someone got one day elite for CCB's, you know what people would of got elite for? for a permanent ccb.

I'm just explaining why they did that -- because they give you 24x every day so that every character on an account can get one. Giving 24x12 hours is 12 days worth, per server per day.

I also said repeatedly that I want the toggle or for them to remove the achievements. But if you ask why did they do it... that's why. So give me a convincing argument why it should be 12, other than "I can already get 12-hour CCB in game for cheap anyway" -- which isn't really a convincing argument to change anything if it's plentiful. You're not selling the need for the change at all.

Again, I'm not doing this to "defend EME." I've already advocated for the toggle or removing the achievement! But if you can't convince me of your argument, it's not likely to convince them to change the compromise for now. And they're not going to argue about it; they're just going to ignore it and move on with their lives because it's "good enough" considering their goals. So make a convincing argument, finally.

You've just exactly explained our point. removing the ccb from elite entirely is exactly identical in function to giving us 24 useless ones each day. i'm just going to use 12 hour ccbs on all my characters anyway. Then i'm going to break crystals because i forgot to push a button i shouldn't have had to push in the first place. Why a toggle or remove the achievement? it's a pointless achievement anyway, why not just award it to every elite player? it's not like it's difficult to get or anything special, if elite stops people from getting it, just make everyone who is elite get it for free? i get that you'll say "but people will 1 day elite!!!!!!@111!" but that's honestly a joke, if you think that is abuse you're living in a different universe. Decisions like this just make me more and more certain that nobody at eme actually plays their own game and that's why every choice they make is so disconnected from it. Even with the complete lack of understanding of tera they consistently demonstrate, people should be able to see why this is such an annoying change. Imagine you signed up for car insurance and then after a month they call you and say "we're going to need you to call us every 3 hours if you want to keep your car insurance, because otherwise you wouldn't be able to experience driving without car insurance." then they hang up on you.

It is an annoying change. Everyone knows that -- they know that, I know that, the world knows that. The permanent CCB is infinitely better, and everyone wants it to come back as a general rule. The issue is entirely about what to do for now given the problem they caused.

Your solution is "give everyone the achievement." Okay, how? You write and run a DB script for all active Elite players? Elite status changes all the time and people create new characters, so maybe you run the script daily? Is it okay if someone just gets promo Elite and then they get these free achievements? If BHS creates other similar achievements you do the same? Is it worth getting using programming time for this when people could just click a button on a bar instead for now, or keep using CCB as they did before? Isn't it better if BHS just deletes the achievement anyway? Does that take something away from the game...? etc. etc.

Anyway, I'm done putting a target on my back for this. I hope that, through all this thread, I've provided enough different angles to the problem that someone can come up with an argument that will be convincing to the powers that be (particularly so they can push BHS hard for a real fix). Even after hearing all the arguments here, I couldn't defend the position in a debate knowing the potential counterarguments. I think they would still believe the current compromise is good enough given the situation. Maybe someone else can make the winning case, beyond what we already know (pushing for BHS to change something to address the need for a compromise in the first place).
TERA PC - General Discussion#193 TWMagimay12/14/2017, 08:58 AM
or that you're going to cancel Elite because of a benefit that didn't even exist for 5 1/2 years.

I wonder what these dedicated achievement hunters were doing for those 5 1/2 years and how they managed to not get these 2 very important achievements. I guess it's just so difficult to die repeatedly that some need 6-7 years to get there.............................
Also personally for me those speaks about laziness sound weird.
So people who don't want to track ccb and press buttons are lazy and those who want to do achievements not? They also are! Because for diamond laurel you can find plenty other achievements Also you have to run loads of dungs which are way more time consuming together with other achievments aka knockdowns for classes without knock skills and will take more than month.
The thing is that they are lazy to do them and want fast way - cut road and go crystal ach.
And for champion laurel you need to wait waaaay more than a month to kill 5 tuwangi chieftains for example in arena or complete 1500 quests or do a timed run on two bosses in lkhm (in the start of the patch without equip and on dead server aha). So crystals achievement will not be a reason to stuck. also it is always possible to do cs or kumas achs to get those 20 points.
so don't tell about laziness here. There are much more ppl who use elite perks (could use) than those who want diamond or champion. And who want they will reach their aim.


P.s. And yes I have champion laurel myself.
It is an annoying change. Everyone knows that -- they know that, I know that, the world knows that. The permanent CCB is infinitely better, and everyone wants it to come back as a general rule. The issue is entirely about what to do for now given the problem they caused.

Your solution is "give everyone the achievement." Okay, how? You write and run a DB script for all active Elite players? Elite status changes all the time and people create new characters, so maybe you run the script daily? Is it okay if someone just gets promo Elite and then they get these free achievements? If BHS creates other similar achievements you do the same? Is it worth getting using programming time for this when people could just click a button on a bar instead for now, or keep using CCB as they did before? Isn't it better if BHS just deletes the achievement anyway? Does that take something away from the game...? etc. etc.

Anyway, I'm done putting a target on my back for this. I hope that, through all this thread, I've provided enough different angles to the problem that someone can come up with an argument that will be convincing to the powers that be (particularly so they can push BHS hard for a real fix). Even after hearing all the arguments here, I couldn't defend the position in a debate knowing the potential counterarguments. I think they would still believe the current compromise is good enough given the situation. Maybe someone else can make the winning case, beyond what we already know (pushing for BHS to change something to address the need for a compromise in the first place).
The fact that enmasse is incompetent is not really a good excuse for them removing elite features, to be perfectly blunt. Aside from that, as far as I'm aware, character achievements don't need a db script to update - when i login old characters, i get a boatload of achievements that have been tweaked and etc. Just make it also give elite players (or even everyone for that matter, since it's a joke of an achievement to begin with) the achievement in question. Inconveniencing - I was going to say thousands of people, but i'm not really sure the playerbase is that big anymore, so i'll just say inconveniencing every elite player because a handful of people want 20 achievement points is not a reasonable solution to the problem. EME should not just wildly jump from one poor solution to the next, that's no way to run a business. I'm absolutely certain eme staff sees how little confidence the playerbase has in them, and things like this are exactly why. They released something which people are quite happy with, and then realized there was a small problem with it, so their solution is to completely remove it and in return give us garbage that we don't want. Literally, a 3-hour crystalbind would not even be worth storing in my bank at this point. It would not be worth pressing the button to pick it up off the floor, what makes enmasse think it's worth having on my elite status bar next to the even more useless gold boost?
Sooo can anyone give me a good reason as to why I should use the elite 3 hour ccb as opposed to regular 12 hour ones? What makes these better?
CornishRex wrote: »
Sooo can anyone give me a good reason as to why I should use the elite 3 hour ccb as opposed to regular 12 hour ones? What makes these better?
they're better because they're 5 gold cheaper!!! it would take you .0083333333 RG's to recoup the cost of the 12 hour one!
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> they're better because they're 5 gold cheaper!!! it would take you .0083333333 RG's to recoup the cost of the 12 hour one!

Dude I'm sold. 10/10 got my penny's worth.
TERA PC - General Discussion#199 voidy12/14/2017, 09:25 AM
Dang, I was gonna sell my elite ccb for 5g but the clever boys at EME were one step ahead of my little get rich quick scheme
TERA PC - General Discussion#200 c0g12/14/2017, 09:36 AM
So EME has been trying to help us save 5 gold everytime we use the 3 hr CCB...

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> @c0g said:
> So EME has been trying to help us save 5 gold everytime we use the 3 hr CCB...

and earn piles by gold boost when gold actually doesn't dtop anymore like it did before :lol:
TERA PC - General Discussion#202 c0g12/14/2017, 09:43 AM
> @c0g said:
> So EME has been trying to help us save 5 gold everytime we use the 3 hr CCB...

and earn piles by gold boost when gold actually doesn't dtop anymore like it did before :lol:

STAPH PLEASE! Goddam I'm so emotional now... :'(
> @StitchedSoul said:
> > @c0g said:
> > So EME has been trying to help us save 5 gold everytime we use the 3 hr CCB...
>
> and earn piles by gold boost when gold actually doesn't dtop anymore like it did before :lol:

God they're so kind. That gold boost made me a gold tycoon. I actually rival kamizuma.
TERA PC - General Discussion#204 tisnotme12/14/2017, 10:58 AM
and the part I got most out of this thread so far was
c0g wrote: »
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oh look I know where that pics from :p
TERA PC - General Discussion#205 LesbianVi12/14/2017, 11:09 AM
Margarethe wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
People were complaining back to back why EME did this, they ruined the game, blah blah. EME changes that, they complain EME ruined the game, blah blah.

and then we expect EME to take our feedback seriously lol. DAFUQ :neutral:

That's borderline disgusting.
Please, there's no need for that.

That is fact. It was done on EU, this happened there? I remember that thread with pointing finger at EME and saying we want those 20 achievements, we don't want this feature, CCB already cheap.

and now we see this and EME also got many support tickets about it.

EU had the same feature, we added after them, what was their community's reactions?

I call NA community's action disgusting, say what you want, this is abovious NA community is doing way worse than EME these days.
This act against alts using elite ccb from one day elite is disgusting either.
It only makes eme look like scrooge.
ask programmist to make timer: no elite no ccb.
But yes, that requires some work..
And if the reason in alts and one day elite then I do not understand this thing with hiding behind achievement. from the beginning the reason was achievement.
@Spacecats Make Complete Crystalbinds stackable - this way people who want to can simply stack a whole bunch of CCBs (preventing the inconvenience of forgetting to pop one and break a crystal) while being able to give those achievement hunters the option to break their crystals. this will also allow the extremely extravagant amount of CCBs slightly diminish . . i mean, even if this was the case, the first thing i would do is stack 99x CCBs on the 9 alts that i have :o
You do realize that most of you are missing the point of this change? He even mentioned it in his post :

*For those of you saying "just have CS unlock those achievements for players who want them" that's also not ideal. We never want to just create a problem that forever means more work for Customer Support. I'm looking at that team right now and they would absolutely TP my desk if that happened.*

Its just general laziness, because dear god you at En masse over there killing yourself with work and oh dear god how hard would it be if you had to deal with this issue and actually had to do some work :( my condolences to you
remove the stupid achievement, NOT the crystal bind.
if the continuous CB gets removed, it will show a total lack of game understanding on eme's part.
if it aint broke don't fix it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#210 ElinUsagi12/14/2017, 04:45 PM
Its just general laziness

From players in the first place.

I like the idea from seraphinush, if we were able to stack ccb duration we could forget about all this issue but lazzines from players complaining about clicking a scroll each 12 hours of game play from an item that drops like candy and then complaining about the lazzines from the publisher because the "fix" they implemented is quite funny.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Its just general laziness

From players in the first place.

I like the idea from seraphinush, if we were able to stack ccb duration we could forget about all this issue but lazzines from players complaining about clicking a scroll each 12 hours of game play from an item that drops like candy and then complaining about the lazzines from the publisher because the "fix" they implemented is quite funny.

It's not laziness, it's called forgetting that a buff you've had on for so long expired.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Its just general laziness

From players in the first place.

I like the idea from seraphinush, if we were able to stack ccb duration we could forget about all this issue but lazzines from players complaining about clicking a scroll each 12 hours of game play from an item that drops like candy and then complaining about the lazzines from the publisher because the "fix" they implemented is quite funny.

Can you stop posting and replying? You are obviously missing the whole point of this thread and your posts arent constructive whatsoever, thus your wasting anyones time reading whatever you write. Learn to know when you are not needed
TERA PC - General Discussion#213 ElinUsagi12/14/2017, 05:06 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Its just general laziness

From players in the first place.

I like the idea from seraphinush, if we were able to stack ccb duration we could forget about all this issue but lazzines from players complaining about clicking a scroll each 12 hours of game play from an item that drops like candy and then complaining about the lazzines from the publisher because the "fix" they implemented is quite funny.

Can you stop posting and replying? You are obviously missing the whole point of this thread and your posts arent constructive whatsoever, thus your wasting anyones time reading whatever you write. Learn to know when you are not needed

Put in practice your own advise dude.

The post is about the "issue" of crystalbinds and is a "QoL", people are over reacting about it and your post is just an example of that.
It was explained so many times here...yet we again at same point about laziness.
TERA PC - General Discussion#215 Thoury12/14/2017, 05:13 PM
@Spacecats I'm sorry to tell you this but nobody is going to use that dumb 3hr crystalbind. What is the point of 3 hour crystalbinds anyways? how does downgrading a paid item makes any sense? Are you guys trying to be fair? Because you are not being fair. What about those who paid for elite just for the continuous CCB? So it's ok to fok them over just because of 20 achieve points? From what I've seen in this thread those who want those achievements are the great minority, besides, its not like you can't get the damn achieves by just not renewing elite for a few hours. What are you thinking man? Please explain the logic in this because i don't see it
TERA PC - General Discussion#216 ElinUsagi12/14/2017, 05:18 PM
Thoury wrote: »
@Spacecats I'm sorry to tell you this but nobody is going to use that dumb 3hr crystalbind. What is the point of 3 hour crystalbinds anyways? how does downgrading a paid item makes any sense? Are you guys trying to be fair? Because you are not being fair. What about those who paid for elite just for the continuous CCB? So it's ok to fok them over just because of 20 achieve points? From what I've seen in this thread those who want those achievements are the great minority, besides, its not like you can't get the damn achieves by just not renewing elite for a few hours. What are you thinking man? Please explain the logic in this because i don't see it

I concur with you, those 3hr crystalbinds will be discarded for many users from their invetory, downgradind elite does not make sense and this solution doesn't make it fair at all.

However I don't think a perma ccb is the main reason a person buys elite.

So far we can see here, the removal from the perk is because some people didn't want to spend time (lazziness) doing other achivements and pilled support tickets about how unfair that perk made their game. :/

Rather silly but they won this and got EME to undone a nice perk in the elite status.
It was explained so many times here...yet we again at same point about laziness.

Because the cause of the issue is lazzines from people.

Some lazzy people that dont want keep track of their buffs and click a scroll every 12 hours and complain against the removal of the perk.

Some lazzy people that dont want to spend time doing diferent achievementes to get 20 points and complained against the perk.

Lazziness from people made this issue in the first place.
TERA PC - General Discussion#217 Thoury12/14/2017, 05:38 PM
@ElinUsagi I agree it was lazy not to keep track of buffs and all but to be honest, I feel this is taking one of the very few nice perks elite had. It was lazy sure, but it is the paid service, it was QoL, It was a nice addition to the "premium" service and now it's gone along with the gold boost. On that note, I don't care about the gold boost tbh but the elite service has almost no incentive besides the double dungeon entry or the journal, the nostrum lags people.

idk man, this is just dumb. They keep making elite less and less appealing
TERA PC - General Discussion#218 Tewii12/14/2017, 05:38 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Because the cause of the issue is lazzines from people.

Some lazzy people that dont want keep track of their buffs and click a scroll every 12 hours and complain against the removal of the perk.

Some lazzy people that dont want to spend time doing diferent achievementes to get 20 points and complained against the perk.

Lazziness from people made this issue in the first place.

ElinUsagi please just remove yourself from these forums. You're entirely unconstructive and outright refuse to read what people are saying.

It is NOT a case of laziness. It's a case of not having to repeatedly click something after people have gotten used to a month of it being a non issue. The stupidness of losing a crystal because of an outdated system purely because two people complained that they won't be able to get a hidden achievement [Why haven't they got it before if it's such a big deal? Some achievements can't be gotten anymore. Treat it like a legacy one! Or cancel your sub for 20 minutes.] far outweighs the inconvenience of missing 20 points, which does not make or break anything.

"I don't think permanent ccb is a reason to buy elite."

It's a reason. Like literally anything else on the elite perks list. I recently cancelled my sub because of the stupidness of removing this perk. So, where's your point again?
TERA PC - General Discussion#219 Thoury12/14/2017, 05:42 PM
you know what we need to do? We need to flood the ticket support with complains about removing the continuous CCB from the elite bar. Or make a ticket every time you lose a crystal because the 3 hour one ran out so they can give it back. That seems to work.
I don't hide that I will write my ticket to support about what I think of this change.
At this point, when we have no events, not much things to sell after events (except ccb and pots that we got last events)I even think to stop elite for self because no fee for selling items from events and ccb were two main things why I payed it. 12 hr ccb anyway will be better.
wish you all good luck in proving right thing to eme, but in done for now)
TERA PC - General Discussion#221 Lionair12/14/2017, 06:06 PM
Margarethe wrote: »
Replacing the current gold boost for a permanent CCB toggle option (similar to noctenium) at the elite bar would be nice, in my opinion.
Spacecats wrote: »
Do we replace Gold Boost with CCBs on the Elite bar? If so, do we then move Gold Boost to the consumable box? Gold Boost wasn't a big deal for a while, but in the current gear progression system would that solution be a bummer for people that are thirsty for more gold? Would it put a damper on those leveling brand new accounts? We'd like to hear your thoughts!

Re: the gold boost, the big problem with is it is that it didn't really evolve with the times when BHS changed the game to mostly go from monsters/bosses dropping gold to Vanguard Requests granting gold upon completion (below the daily cap). Ever since that change (intended to combat K-TERA's botting problem), people have felt that the gold boost was "useless" -- in fairness, it's not entirely useless, but represents a fraction of the gold you earn in game. If we want to continue to have a relevant gold boost, it would be more useful to have a gold boost on vanguard rewards -- but if you do that, probably 2x is OP. Either way, you'd need to go back to Bluehole and talk to them about it. If they could change the gold boost to be an "always-on" status that applied a passive boost to gold earned via any means (but at a smaller rate), I think people would be much more happy with it. The concern would by trying to find the right rate that balances Elite vs. F2P.

Like the idea.
Adding a 5-10% gold boost to Vanguard Requests would more than make up for the looting gold boost loss.
Would also make elite more rewarding.

This I like this option. Please do this. While I love the perma CCB, I also like getting that achievement as well, even though its small and not as relevant as others.
TERA PC - General Discussion#222 Lionair12/14/2017, 06:06 PM
Margarethe wrote: »
Replacing the current gold boost for a permanent CCB toggle option (similar to noctenium) at the elite bar would be nice, in my opinion.
Spacecats wrote: »
Do we replace Gold Boost with CCBs on the Elite bar? If so, do we then move Gold Boost to the consumable box? Gold Boost wasn't a big deal for a while, but in the current gear progression system would that solution be a bummer for people that are thirsty for more gold? Would it put a damper on those leveling brand new accounts? We'd like to hear your thoughts!

Re: the gold boost, the big problem with is it is that it didn't really evolve with the times when BHS changed the game to mostly go from monsters/bosses dropping gold to Vanguard Requests granting gold upon completion (below the daily cap). Ever since that change (intended to combat K-TERA's botting problem), people have felt that the gold boost was "useless" -- in fairness, it's not entirely useless, but represents a fraction of the gold you earn in game. If we want to continue to have a relevant gold boost, it would be more useful to have a gold boost on vanguard rewards -- but if you do that, probably 2x is OP. Either way, you'd need to go back to Bluehole and talk to them about it. If they could change the gold boost to be an "always-on" status that applied a passive boost to gold earned via any means (but at a smaller rate), I think people would be much more happy with it. The concern would by trying to find the right rate that balances Elite vs. F2P.

Like the idea.
Adding a 5-10% gold boost to Vanguard Requests would more than make up for the looting gold boost loss.
Would also make elite more rewarding.

This I like this option. Please do this. While I love the perma CCB, I also like getting that achievement as well, even though its small and not as relevant as others.
TERA PC - General Discussion#223 Lionair12/14/2017, 06:07 PM
Margarethe wrote: »
Replacing the current gold boost for a permanent CCB toggle option (similar to noctenium) at the elite bar would be nice, in my opinion.
Spacecats wrote: »
Do we replace Gold Boost with CCBs on the Elite bar? If so, do we then move Gold Boost to the consumable box? Gold Boost wasn't a big deal for a while, but in the current gear progression system would that solution be a bummer for people that are thirsty for more gold? Would it put a damper on those leveling brand new accounts? We'd like to hear your thoughts!

Re: the gold boost, the big problem with is it is that it didn't really evolve with the times when BHS changed the game to mostly go from monsters/bosses dropping gold to Vanguard Requests granting gold upon completion (below the daily cap). Ever since that change (intended to combat K-TERA's botting problem), people have felt that the gold boost was "useless" -- in fairness, it's not entirely useless, but represents a fraction of the gold you earn in game. If we want to continue to have a relevant gold boost, it would be more useful to have a gold boost on vanguard rewards -- but if you do that, probably 2x is OP. Either way, you'd need to go back to Bluehole and talk to them about it. If they could change the gold boost to be an "always-on" status that applied a passive boost to gold earned via any means (but at a smaller rate), I think people would be much more happy with it. The concern would by trying to find the right rate that balances Elite vs. F2P.

Like the idea.
Adding a 5-10% gold boost to Vanguard Requests would more than make up for the looting gold boost loss.
Would also make elite more rewarding.

This I like this option. Please do this. While I love the perma CCB, I also like getting that achievement as well, even though its small and not as relevant as others.
Why not do a complete crystalbind switched on and off?
5KWT6GFYLH wrote: »
Why not do a complete crystalbind switched on and off?

It's not programmed in the game (yet?); we hope they ask BHS to do it and BHS agrees to add the option.
Thoury wrote: »
you know what we need to do? We need to flood the ticket support with complains about removing the continuous CCB from the elite bar. Or make a ticket every time you lose a crystal because the 3 hour one ran out so they can give it back. That seems to work.

Please do not be childish and do this. Support cannot change this decision, and you ruin the game for everyone else who must wait longer for REAL tickets to be addressed.

This is why I say Tera forums have the worst community. You people are insane.
TERA PC - General Discussion#227 LesbianVi12/14/2017, 06:45 PM
Tewii wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Because the cause of the issue is lazzines from people.

Some lazzy people that dont want keep track of their buffs and click a scroll every 12 hours and complain against the removal of the perk.

Some lazzy people that dont want to spend time doing diferent achievementes to get 20 points and complained against the perk.

Lazziness from people made this issue in the first place.

ElinUsagi please just remove yourself from these forums. You're entirely unconstructive and outright refuse to read what people are saying.

It is NOT a case of laziness. It's a case of not having to repeatedly click something after people have gotten used to a month of it being a non issue. The stupidness of losing a crystal because of an outdated system purely because two people complained that they won't be able to get a hidden achievement [Why haven't they got it before if it's such a big deal? Some achievements can't be gotten anymore. Treat it like a legacy one! Or cancel your sub for 20 minutes.] far outweighs the inconvenience of missing 20 points, which does not make or break anything.

"I don't think permanent ccb is a reason to buy elite."

It's a reason. Like literally anything else on the elite perks list. I recently cancelled my sub because of the stupidness of removing this perk. So, where's your point again?

we can say that about some player councils too. DUH.
TERA PC - General Discussion#228 ElinUsagi12/14/2017, 06:48 PM
Tewii wrote: »

ElinUsagi please just remove yourself from these forums. You're entirely unconstructive and outright refuse to read what people are saying.

It is NOT a case of laziness. It's a case of not having to repeatedly click something after people have gotten used to a month of it being a non issue. The stupidness of losing a crystal because of an outdated system purely because two people complained that they won't be able to get a hidden achievement [Why haven't they got it before if it's such a big deal? Some achievements can't be gotten anymore. Treat it like a legacy one! Or cancel your sub for 20 minutes.] far outweighs the inconvenience of missing 20 points, which does not make or break anything.

"I don't think permanent ccb is a reason to buy elite."

It's a reason. Like literally anything else on the elite perks list. I recently cancelled my sub because of the stupidness of removing this perk. So, where's your point again?

Talking about being entirely unconstructive and then twisting words from another person.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
However I don't think a perma ccb is the main reason a person buys elite.

You should take your own advise and remove yourself from the forums but first made everyone else a favor and remove yourself from PC because most of your post its to try to invalidate opinions making your post a personal attack masked in a "suposed to be constructive post", right?
TERA PC - General Discussion#229 Naru200812/14/2017, 06:49 PM
Thoury wrote: »
you know what we need to do? We need to flood the ticket support with complains about removing the continuous CCB from the elite bar. Or make a ticket every time you lose a crystal because the 3 hour one ran out so they can give it back. That seems to work.

People like you need to be banned and kept far away from support ticket systems.
I don't see any issue with it, because the crystalbind would be in the elite skill bar.
I'm used to clicking the battle nostrum button every time I fite them mobs and BAMs.

Its just one more button, you guys.. :cookie:
TERA PC - General Discussion#231 Tewii12/14/2017, 06:53 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Tewii wrote: »

ElinUsagi please just remove yourself from these forums. You're entirely unconstructive and outright refuse to read what people are saying.

It is NOT a case of laziness. It's a case of not having to repeatedly click something after people have gotten used to a month of it being a non issue. The stupidness of losing a crystal because of an outdated system purely because two people complained that they won't be able to get a hidden achievement [Why haven't they got it before if it's such a big deal? Some achievements can't be gotten anymore. Treat it like a legacy one! Or cancel your sub for 20 minutes.] far outweighs the inconvenience of missing 20 points, which does not make or break anything.

"I don't think permanent ccb is a reason to buy elite."

It's a reason. Like literally anything else on the elite perks list. I recently cancelled my sub because of the stupidness of removing this perk. So, where's your point again?

Talking about being entirely unconstructive and then twisting words from another person.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
However I don't think a perma ccb is the main reason a person buys elite.

You should take your own advise and remove yourself from the forums but first made everyone else a favor and remove yourself from PC because most of your post its to try to invalidate opinions making your post a personal attack masked in a "suposed to be constructive post", right?

Where's the personal attack? And I used your point to validate my point. That isn't twisting words. Please learn to debate before calling me out on stuff. The removal of the permanent CCB just to sate a tiny, tiny minority of people who want the achievement is absurd.

And just because I'm PC doesn't mean I have to be nice or agree with you.
TERA PC - General Discussion#232 LesbianVi12/14/2017, 07:02 PM
Tewii wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Tewii wrote: »

ElinUsagi please just remove yourself from these forums. You're entirely unconstructive and outright refuse to read what people are saying.

It is NOT a case of laziness. It's a case of not having to repeatedly click something after people have gotten used to a month of it being a non issue. The stupidness of losing a crystal because of an outdated system purely because two people complained that they won't be able to get a hidden achievement [Why haven't they got it before if it's such a big deal? Some achievements can't be gotten anymore. Treat it like a legacy one! Or cancel your sub for 20 minutes.] far outweighs the inconvenience of missing 20 points, which does not make or break anything.

"I don't think permanent ccb is a reason to buy elite."

It's a reason. Like literally anything else on the elite perks list. I recently cancelled my sub because of the stupidness of removing this perk. So, where's your point again?

Talking about being entirely unconstructive and then twisting words from another person.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
However I don't think a perma ccb is the main reason a person buys elite.

You should take your own advise and remove yourself from the forums but first made everyone else a favor and remove yourself from PC because most of your post its to try to invalidate opinions making your post a personal attack masked in a "suposed to be constructive post", right?

Where's the personal attack? And I used your point to validate my point. That isn't twisting words. Please learn to debate before calling me out on stuff. The removal of the permanent CCB just to sate a tiny, tiny minority of people who want the achievement is absurd.

And just because I'm PC doesn't mean I have to be nice or agree with you.

you said to him to remove himself from forums. that is not up to you to say that.

PS: if players were complaining, if they weren't sending tickets, if they weren't crying for 20 achievement points, if we had mature players like EU players which got the same feature. EME didn't have to change so those same people now cry and say yo EME 20 achievement point is nothing.

PSS: EME, turn that feature on, Just warn people if they want to get those achievement points, they can do it between charging Elite.

PSSS: Ban a whole lotta players from forums.
TERA PC - General Discussion#233 ElinUsagi12/14/2017, 07:03 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
Tewii wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Tewii wrote: »

ElinUsagi please just remove yourself from these forums. You're entirely unconstructive and outright refuse to read what people are saying.

It is NOT a case of laziness. It's a case of not having to repeatedly click something after people have gotten used to a month of it being a non issue. The stupidness of losing a crystal because of an outdated system purely because two people complained that they won't be able to get a hidden achievement [Why haven't they got it before if it's such a big deal? Some achievements can't be gotten anymore. Treat it like a legacy one! Or cancel your sub for 20 minutes.] far outweighs the inconvenience of missing 20 points, which does not make or break anything.

"I don't think permanent ccb is a reason to buy elite."

It's a reason. Like literally anything else on the elite perks list. I recently cancelled my sub because of the stupidness of removing this perk. So, where's your point again?

Talking about being entirely unconstructive and then twisting words from another person.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
However I don't think a perma ccb is the main reason a person buys elite.

You should take your own advise and remove yourself from the forums but first made everyone else a favor and remove yourself from PC because most of your post its to try to invalidate opinions making your post a personal attack masked in a "suposed to be constructive post", right?

Where's the personal attack? And I used your point to validate my point. That isn't twisting words. Please learn to debate before calling me out on stuff. The removal of the permanent CCB just to sate a tiny, tiny minority of people who want the achievement is absurd.

And just because I'm PC doesn't mean I have to be nice or agree with you.

you said to him to remove himself from forums. that is not up to you to say that.

A PC saying that is not a personal attack, funny, right?

Adn then he says others are the ones making unconstrutive posts.
I don't see any issue with it, because the crystalbind would be in the elite skill bar.
I'm used to clicking the battle nostrum button every time I fite them mobs and BAMs.

Its just one more button, you guys.. :cookie:

Which you have a limited amount of, shared between every character you play, unlike the nostrum. And you don't see the problem with it?
TERA PC - General Discussion#235 Naru200812/14/2017, 07:11 PM
Can we ever just have a thread where people aren't calling out other people, ya know, breaking the rules and junk? Surprised half of you aren't jailed more often.
TERA PC - General Discussion#236 ElinUsagi12/14/2017, 07:12 PM
Naru2008 wrote: »
Can we ever just have a thread where people aren't calling out other people, ya know, breaking the rules and junk? Surprised half of you aren't jailed more often.

If you take into consideration that a member for PC is one of those then you won't wonder why mods are not that strict over rules, they would have to ban their own "player's representatives" first for the very same reason.
Which you have a limited amount of, shared between every character you play, unlike the nostrum. And you don't see the problem with it?
To unblock elite status players from gaining the "Imperfect Crystals" and "Ideal Crystals" achievements, we have changed how we deliver Crystalbinding to those players:
> We have added (24) Complete Veteran Crystalbinds (3 hour) to the Elite Status Perks skillbar.
>These will reset everyday like the rest of the skillbar items.

Its 72 hours worth of crystalbinds. U play the game 72 hours a day or something? :scream:
Not to mention people are 'boasting' that they have miliyons of crystalbinds sitting, collecting dust in their banks.
Time to use them all up or sell em in trade broker.
:smiley:
TERA PC - General Discussion#238 Chido12/14/2017, 08:26 PM
I liked the idea of having a superior noct elixir in the bar..
Naru2008 wrote: »
Can we ever just have a thread where people aren't calling out other people, ya know, breaking the rules and junk? Surprised half of you aren't jailed more often.

That is a nice joke.
*Chuckle*
I wish the CCB bubble was still removed. Now that was a QOL fix that was reversed.
TERA PC - General Discussion#241 Pages12/14/2017, 09:23 PM
JXE5356AKE wrote: »
I wish the CCB bubble was still removed. Now that was a QOL fix that was reversed.

But some players might want it for screenshots! Even if it's just the minority this is the compromise!
/s
TERA PC - General Discussion#242 EnerG12/14/2017, 09:39 PM
Im glad its removed, I hate it when things like this are permanent, if i lose a crystal cause i forgot a ccb that's my fault but with this elite bs i could act like an idiot with nary a care, I dont like it when consumables get easier, and i know this is an unpopular opinion but even with charms and stamina i liked having to keep watch over my stamina, and needed to recharm at death, it gave a kind of punishment for death for an extra 10 seconds without one dps so they could buff back up. .... I just don't like it when it get a easier makes me feel like,im being babied...
TERA PC - General Discussion#243 EnerG12/14/2017, 09:42 PM
> @iLucky said:
> Vinyltails wrote: »
>
> BHS/EME: "We added Permanent CCB to elite now!"
> Players: "BUT MY ACHIEVEMENTS REMOVE IT (or toggle)
> BHS/EME: "Ok we removed it BUT we're giving you free 6hour crystalbinds so you don't have to buy them and choose when to use it!
> Players: "WHY YOU REMOVE PERM CCB EME PLS"
>
> The cycle continues
>
>
>
>
> The problem is that there wasn't that much opposition to it. I checked forum history and only ONE thread was created about it, hardly that much opposition to the idea. That's why I don't get why the change was made. It probably was a small handful of users who ruined it for everyone else.

I was the one who made tgat thread, i just didn't think it was a good feature to im0lement in the first place, ccb are cheap and last 12 hours it iust seemed like a cheap shot at shoving elwhatever they could into elite to make more people buy it and im ecstatic its going, shoot me idc im elated.
TERA PC - General Discussion#244 Naru200812/14/2017, 09:49 PM
You must be alone in that regard, look at everyone who wants it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#245 Gunno12/14/2017, 09:49 PM
yes, 17 pages with feedback from players but nothing can be changed. @EnerG thx you
TERA PC - General Discussion#246 Ariimei12/14/2017, 10:08 PM
Screw convenience for those paying for elite that really liked having to not worry about refreshing CCB's I guess.: / What a [filtered] change.
Lets change all world for bunch of people.
Brilliant logic.
Caution, do not blame the players that wished for the change.
Many players wish for many things.
At the end, it was EME's decision to make that change.

Why would this be a priority with so many issues is beyond myself.
TERA PC - General Discussion#249 Bjond12/15/2017, 01:16 AM
The only value I see in achievements is to acquire something from the achievement. For me, that's a title that's appropriate for the char I'm playing; eg. my sorc is snowy/icy-themed in appearance and so likes the wintera titles -- which is why I'm acquiring those for her, but not my main or other alts. The "gives nothing" achieves are only useful for acquiring laurels and really, those two crystal achieves give so few points they aren't worth the effort when working a laurel.

BTW, on the subject of titles, I find the glowy ones to be rather too flashy to ever use. While it's really cool to see that someone has completed the requirements for one, I don't know the names of these people because the glow blocks the name .. as far as I can tell, they're all named "Witness to History", etc..
And now we got replaced with 3 hour long crystal binds.
Myself, I'm just using old 12 hour ones..
Once a day I'll have to use one, instead of once every few hours..
comeon eme
TERA PC - General Discussion#251 ElinUsagi12/15/2017, 01:47 AM
Margarethe wrote: »
Caution, do not blame the players that wished for the change.
Many players wish for many things.
At the end, it was EME's decision to make that change.

Why would this be a priority with so many issues is beyond myself.

Because, as you said in another post, people come to forums to complain.

So much truth in your words :cry:
TERA PC - General Discussion#252 CandyTX12/15/2017, 02:22 AM
I frequently find myself wondering if anyone from EME actually plays this game. Ever. I have 5 people in my family, all with elite, plus all the EMP they burn through. We've started looking another "go to" game. I'm just frustrated and done with it not being worth it anymore.
TERA PC - General Discussion#253 Nickna12/15/2017, 02:24 AM
Just remove Crystalbinds and Crystals from the game. Seriously no point for either anymore.
Like how spellbind got phased out and now everyone has the same stat rolls, do the same thing for crystals. Everyone uses the same optimal setup anyway. Why confuse the new players??? Make crystals permanently binded to gears or something, let players choose different ones for their pvp/pve setup if they want, that's all we need.
I guess im going back to being a Free to play and use the cheap cheap 12 hour CCB's... i mean... who needs Elite anyway when you have 10 lvl65's that can run all dungeons and farm all day!... am i right???

On a serious note... the continuous CCB was good because of the "Peace of Mind" they gave... not having to wrory about pressing that button every few hours is actually a blessing in disguise...
when my Elite runs out i will actually go back to being Free to play... theres no point in being Elite Anyway... Asside from the Village Atlas which theres other ways to teleport around and the continuous CCB... theres nothing else usefull as Elite in End Game!
So in a way... thx EME for removing that 1 good thing we had... for what? 20 Achievement points you dont even need to achieve Champion Laurel... i dont know if i should laugh or cry about some people stupidity!

Regards, Z
TERA PC - General Discussion#255 ElinUsagi12/15/2017, 03:47 AM
I guess im going back to being a Free to play and use the cheap cheap 12 hour CCB's... i mean... who needs Elite anyway when you have 10 lvl65's that can run all dungeons and farm all day!... am i right???

Even in your intention to make a joke this is not so wrong about current state on Elite.

Even with the perma CCB it lacks something that can be called worth, aside from the "no fees" to put your stuff on broker everything else has no real impact.

You can get enought prime battle solutions for your characters and your won't run out of them.

You can get enought ccb for you to not worry for generations about your crystals breaking.

Free reset scrolls, they are really handy for those with few characters but for someone like you or several others this has almost no value at all.

Crafter's cure potion is nice but you can do enought gold to buy one from broker in 5 minutes, so again this is not so valuable at all.

Strong canephora and bravery, we already have ways to get them from game, you can run 4 star dungeons and use the scales to get more, you will need about 20 minutes to get enought scales to trade for 1 strong canephora and bravery, so again you dont have need of this at all.

Travel journal and Village atlas are not needed, maybe if Travel journal could add more then 5 places (maybe 15) in it could be worth to get, travel journal because rather useless with the vanguard window.

Gold hunter boost is an outdated perk that doesn't help that much and is not worth elite costs.

Elite Gift Box usually gives you items that you don't need but you have a chance to get a pet, strongbox key and other stuff. This could be worth elite if you don't have a pet, otherwise is not that apealing.

Flying mount, you get one free at level 65 and you can get an Iron Dragon Free just playing the game, most people I know got their dragon in a couple of months.

Exp boost. Not a great perk when you can level up a character in less than 14 hours in an account without elite and level 0 on emporium.

So far the only thing I see worth is the no fee to use broker for you to sell stuff because you will save a good amount of gold this way.

The perma ccb is only a minor qol that adds no value at all to Elite, its just added to a list of perks that are not needed and give you nothing worth the money you spend on it.
yet, another stupid change they made to the game
TERA PC - General Discussion#257 Yamazuki12/15/2017, 04:15 AM
I don't see any issue with it, because the crystalbind would be in the elite skill bar.
I'm used to clicking the battle nostrum button every time I fite them mobs and BAMs.

Its just one more button, you guys.. :cookie:

Which you have a limited amount of, shared between every character you play, unlike the nostrum. And you don't see the problem with it?

You get 24 and they last 3 hours each, it's unlikely you'll run out even if you accidentally used more than one. The only argument against the change is for convenience.
EnerG wrote: »
Im glad its removed, I hate it when things like this are permanent, if i lose a crystal cause i forgot a ccb that's my fault but with this elite bs i could act like an idiot with nary a care, I dont like it when consumables get easier, and i know this is an unpopular opinion but even with charms and stamina i liked having to keep watch over my stamina, and needed to recharm at death, it gave a kind of punishment for death for an extra 10 seconds without one dps so they could buff back up. .... I just don't like it when it get a easier makes me feel like,im being babied...
Crystals have very low value (from a gold perspective) and breaking them is hardly a punishment. A system where it is nothing but an inconvenience isn't worth keeping.
TERA PC - General Discussion#258 Yube12/15/2017, 04:36 AM
Yamazuki wrote: »
I don't see any issue with it, because the crystalbind would be in the elite skill bar.
I'm used to clicking the battle nostrum button every time I fite them mobs and BAMs.

Its just one more button, you guys.. :cookie:

Which you have a limited amount of, shared between every character you play, unlike the nostrum. And you don't see the problem with it?

You get 24 and they last 3 hours each, it's unlikely you'll run out even if you accidentally used more than one. The only argument against the change is for convenience.

except as TheCatalyst said that its same as Everful Nostrum but has unlimited uses, if i spam ccb 3h all the time like nostrum I will run out of it as it doesnt stack and always overwrites it.
Yube wrote: »
Yamazuki wrote: »
I don't see any issue with it, because the crystalbind would be in the elite skill bar.
I'm used to clicking the battle nostrum button every time I fite them mobs and BAMs.

Its just one more button, you guys.. :cookie:

Which you have a limited amount of, shared between every character you play, unlike the nostrum. And you don't see the problem with it?

You get 24 and they last 3 hours each, it's unlikely you'll run out even if you accidentally used more than one. The only argument against the change is for convenience.

except as TheCatalyst said that its same as Everful Nostrum but has unlimited uses, if i spam ccb 3h all the time like nostrum I will run out of it as it doesnt stack and always overwrites it.

I know everyone (including me) wants a toggle or for them to just set it back. But as a short-term measure, would it help if they gave you 48? 72? 99? Not sure if their tools allow them to do unlimited directly, but I really don't think the point was that people would find the quantity to be a limit. As it stands, if you spammed it once every half-hour with your nostrums, you'd have 12 hours worth. If they did 48 that'd be 24 hours?
I, for one, was enjoying the elite perk of a never ending CCB. One of the better perks added for the price we pay. I don't care about achievements overall. Well, as stated, thanks for not only taking away one of the more useful perks but also nerfing it at the same time. I play on 7 different characters. Terrible job BHS and EME.
Yube wrote: »
Yamazuki wrote: »
I don't see any issue with it, because the crystalbind would be in the elite skill bar.
I'm used to clicking the battle nostrum button every time I fite them mobs and BAMs.

Its just one more button, you guys.. :cookie:

Which you have a limited amount of, shared between every character you play, unlike the nostrum. And you don't see the problem with it?

You get 24 and they last 3 hours each, it's unlikely you'll run out even if you accidentally used more than one. The only argument against the change is for convenience.

except as TheCatalyst said that its same as Everful Nostrum but has unlimited uses, if i spam ccb 3h all the time like nostrum I will run out of it as it doesnt stack and always overwrites it.

I know everyone (including me) wants a toggle or for them to just set it back. But as a short-term measure, would it help if they gave you 48? 72? 99? Not sure if their tools allow them to do unlimited directly, but I really don't think the point was that people would find the quantity to be a limit. As it stands, if you spammed it once every half-hour with your nostrums, you'd have 12 hours worth. If they did 48 that'd be 24 hours?

Well, I tend to hit nostrum every time I face a boss. Just in case.... So if I do that now, hmmm, say I do all VG in dungeons, 3 bosses per each, that would be 48.

Per character. So on a day when I play all day...48 is almost 50. I can sometimes do 5 characters on a Saturday (not often!) so 250 would be the most I could use.

Does that number help?

If the stupid things would stack like the gold hunter boosts, I could simply attemot to use one every chance I got, and it would only take one when one had expired. Under those conditions it is, while not ideal, close to what I would want from this bonus. Is that a thing? Could we make them stack?
Catservant wrote: »
If the stupid things would stack like the gold hunter boosts, I could simply attemot to use one every chance I got, and it would only take one when one had expired. Under those conditions it is, while not ideal, close to what I would want from this bonus. Is that a thing? Could we make them stack?

It's probably not possible without BHS programming something, and if they're going to program anything I'd rather they just do the toggle to be honest. This is a short-term compromise solution at best.
Catservant wrote: »
If the stupid things would stack like the gold hunter boosts, I could simply attemot to use one every chance I got, and it would only take one when one had expired. Under those conditions it is, while not ideal, close to what I would want from this bonus. Is that a thing? Could we make them stack?

It's probably not possible without BHS programming something, and if they're going to program anything I'd rather they just do the toggle to be honest (or retire these achievements). The current way is a short-term compromise solution at best.

Mmmm. Not an option then. Yeah if they are going to program anything, a toggle would be best.
I don't understand at the end of the day why we are changing this for the select few that NEEDED this changed immediately if we are being told by white knight counterpoint here that we should wait and have a fix made by BHS why the majority? Yea I know the other side of the coin "how do you know its majority," really it doesn't matter with this many people annoyed raging or just plain pissed at this change why did they feel it was necessary to change this? Last time I checked before this was changed I never once saw a thread raging or even asking for this change, but apparently, the few people that sent in tickets or sent personal messages are obviously more important to keep as customers and fix than the huge amount of people influenced negatively by this.

Not to mention every single time I message a GM asking for a minor fix or change or suggesting a flat out better system this is never done even when I see lots of people asking for it, so why are they focusing on small [filtered] fixes that don't matter but flat out ignore other changes that would ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE GAME?


So, just change it back give us perm CCBs again and those who need their precious 20 points can just "wait for a fix from BHS and hope it comes eventually," cause really those 20 points aren't even needed to hit new laurels.
I don't understand at the end of the day why we are changing this for the select few that NEEDED this changed immediately if we are being told by white knight counterpoint here that we should wait and have a fix made by BHS why the majority?
I'm quite sure you don't really want to know why. You (like many others) already decided that there could not conceivably be any possible good reason except for stupidity or utter incompetence anyway. Trying to explain the issues from their point of view to have an actual discussion about it (which is all I've been trying to do) is meaningless.

I always preferred the always-on buff and would be completely happy if they turned it back on today regardless of the achievements I feel are stupid to begin with. Hell, I'd be perfectly happy if they completely removed crystal breaking entirely because IMO it's stupid. (But hey, I also hated campfires and thought there were too many consumables.) So I'm not against you or anyone else. But I just don't think having that opinion is going to change anything, because it doesn't address the reasons they had for making the change, whether I or anyone else agree with those reasons or not. But oh well. Hope it gets fixed.
Counterpoint worse part of this is that "temporary" for eme always means "permanent". The things being fixed so long time (yes bhs and other -reasons- and all...someone gave good example of time work was done here and eu) that there is no hope for any action in nearby half year from eme.
I, for one, was enjoying the elite perk of a never ending CCB. One of the better perks added for the price we pay. I don't care about achievements overall. Well, as stated, thanks for not only taking away one of the more useful perks but also nerfing it at the same time. I play on 7 different characters. Terrible job BHS and EME.

Same here.

I was actually enjoying this perk since i am playing with the slaying crystal which means that i stay under 50% HP a lot of time and it was nice to have a back up to not lose crystals just in case but now it is gone.... And i also play on multiple characters.
TERA PC - General Discussion#268 LesbianVi12/15/2017, 07:51 AM
P67R9XWCLY wrote: »
yet, another stupid change they made to the game

no it wasn't a change to the game, it was like that. players just got used to it.

well, say all you want, but if you can't manage time after all these time playing Tera, well you don't get to complain. I agree the 3 hours CCB is complete boohoo, but I believe it shouldn't have changed in the 1st place, Using CCB was part of playing the game and time management.
TERA PC - General Discussion#269 c0g12/15/2017, 08:01 AM
I don't understand at the end of the day why we are changing this for the select few that NEEDED this changed immediately if we are being told by white knight counterpoint here that we should wait and have a fix made by BHS why the majority? Yea I know the other side of the coin "how do you know its majority," really it doesn't matter with this many people annoyed raging or just plain pissed at this change why did they feel it was necessary to change this? Last time I checked before this was changed I never once saw a thread raging or even asking for this change, but apparently, the few people that sent in tickets or sent personal messages are obviously more important to keep as customers and fix than the huge amount of people influenced negatively by this.

Not to mention every single time I message a GM asking for a minor fix or change or suggesting a flat out better system this is never done even when I see lots of people asking for it, so why are they focusing on small [filtered] fixes that don't matter but flat out ignore other changes that would ACTUALLY IMPROVE THE GAME?


So, just change it back give us perm CCBs again and those who need their precious 20 points can just "wait for a fix from BHS and hope it comes eventually," cause really those 20 points aren't even needed to hit new laurels.

I'm not too sure about the white knight part, my thoughts are counterpoint does seem to muster his best to speak with as much reason he can while many of us including myself prefer to shoot first talk later (though that ain't bad btw, it just goes to show how strongly we feel and want the best for the game). The rest of the things you've said - I completely agree.

Look at how they reacted to their own recent folly, especially one that appeared to be of (undue) advantage to a good number (but not all) players who were allowed to open the Elin Gunner Item Claim boxes with just any leveled toon - they were so quick to remedy the fault on their part, and not let yet more players take undue advantage of it, that they called for an URGENT MAINTENANCE and got it FIXED/CORRECTED ASAP so only levelled Elin gunners can rightly benefit from those boxes.

Do we see ANY ACTUAL SENSE OF URGENCY on their part when it comes to things that TRULY MATTER TO PLAYERS? Maybe some of you can quote an instance or two, but do those account for their LARGELY LACKADAISICAL attitude towards what many if not most players ask for? Some of us wanted simple things like a daily vanguard counter for the 16 dailies we do (not all of us do, I concur), but for those who asked it, do you hear even a word that they would do anything about it? Well, I didn't hear [filtered]. Even if this is up to the BHS, let us know that you hear us, but nay... zilch. Yep, there are way more examples than this, but you guys get the general idea - WHERE AN ELEMENT EXISTS THAT WOULD UNDULY BENEFIT PLAYERS, THEY'RE QUICK TO ACT ON IT, BUT WHERE AN ELEMENT EXISTS THAT COMES AT A DISADVANTAGE TO PLAYERS, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY REALLY GIVE A RAT'S A$$ ABOUT MAKING GOOD FOR THE PLAYERS' BENEFIT. EITHER THAT, OR THEY TAKE AN INFINITELY LONG TIME TO ACT ON IT.

Right now, a PERMANENT CCB is what manyyyyyyy players want, EME. Are you guys hearing it already? A SPECIFIC response on this please? And not something about telling us what isn't good for us is good for us. Tyvm.
TERA PC - General Discussion#270 Meshak12/15/2017, 08:31 AM
Maybe we should set the bar higher for elite than a permanent crystal bind that's easily free in game. There are 18 pages of complaints about an elite perk that's free in game. I liked the perma ccb too, but if it was ccb or something more meaningful for my money, I'd gladly lose the perma ccb for brining the gem bag back.

@Spacecats "Do we replace Gold Boost with CCBs on the Elite bar?"

NO man, just NO. What is going on with the desire to remove stuff? If something is not worth it FIX IT to make it valuable don't remove it. If you have to remove something to replace it with something MORE VALUABLE then say so up front and in advance.

But, just for schnitz n giggles, how about, make the gold boost viable/valuable, AND fix the perma ccb? What would that be like? Is that something you might be interested in? Does that tickle your fancy? You know, maybe on a Thursday, or a rainy weekend night right when the clouds break and the moon is just right? you know what i'm talkin about...
Meshak wrote: »
NO man, just NO. What is going on with the desire to remove stuff? If something is not worth it FIX IT to make it valuable don't remove it. If you have to remove something to replace it with something MORE VALUABLE then say so up front and in advance.
Just FWIW, at the time they were worried that they would have to remove an item from the bar to put the CCB there (because having the CCB on the bar was a better solution than having it be inside the daily consumable box). It turns out that wasn't an issue and they could simply add it to the bar, with no need to remove anything. That was the only reason for that question at the time.

(And making the gold boost more useful is obviously a good idea, but yet another that relies on BHS to do.)
TERA PC - General Discussion#272 c0g12/15/2017, 09:04 AM
When we're asking for the Permanent CCB effect, perhaps it's not so much about getting a missing feature back than it is about getting an indication that EME genuinely bothers to hear us out. If EME gets what majority players are saying here and return us the Perm CCB, it would mean a lot to indicate they are listening to what we say and acting on them. Right now, it's an uphill task for them to show that they bother.

Btw, EME, if you do hear what we say and act on those little things we ask, it is not a sign of weakness or bowing to pressure in any way, but just a simple sign that you care.
If the achievement is a problem why you dont ask BHS to get rid of it?
Listen to your Community EME... We Want Continuous CCB... we dont want the achievement... just saying! ;)
TERA PC - General Discussion#275 LesbianVi12/15/2017, 11:28 AM
JasonLucas wrote: »
If the achievement is a problem why you dont ask BHS to get rid of it?

If BHS was doing things right we wouldn't be talking about CCB now, there is a reason forums is more active than game, nothing to do there lol
TERA PC - General Discussion#276 c0g12/15/2017, 11:46 AM
c0g wrote: »
It is clear EME will not make any further changes unless perhaps we pile them with NEW FEEDBACK. Let's not deviate from the subject any further. If any of you want the Perm CCB back bad enough for the foreseeable future, submit your ticket already, don't let other ideas sidetrack you.

Here's mine:

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And here's the same in text form (for those too lazy to write a new ticket all over again and just wish to copy and paste):

Dear Support

As an Elite player, I am absolutely disappointed that you guys have decided to remove the Permanent CCB feature from the Elite bar just so "To unblock elite status players from gaining the “Imperfect Crystals” and “Ideal Crystals” achievements", that I understand is a "100% direct result of player feedback" previously, as Spacecats has explained.

The reason why we asked for the Permanent CCB feature for Elite status is precisely so we do not have to constantly mind or worry if the CCB effect has been activated while we are in combat. Despite numerous players sounding this out in the forums (https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/19588/permanent-crystal-bind-being-removed-discussion/p1), EME has FAILED TO UNDERSTAND what elite status players really want. It is not free CCB we are asking, NO and DO NOT mistake us for this, but a permanent feature just so elite players need not ever think about whether the CCB effect is on whenever they go into a fight.

You guys have kindly gave us this feature for the past month, and we have been so appreciative of it, but only for it to be replaced by a temporary CCB effect that has to be activated every X hours. This is as good as not putting any CCB feature on the Elite bar at all. Players will still have to remind themselves to activate the CCB effect every so often, which defeats the entire purpose to begin with.

In the same way you have so removed the Permanent CB effect which is a "100% direct result of player feedback", I will now submit my feedback to ask for a win-win solution for both types of elite users:

PLEASE INTRODUCE A TOGGLE ON/OFF CCB FEATURE (as suggested here https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/195300/#Comment_195300) IN THE ELITE BAR, AND ONE THAT DOESN'T CHANGE EVEN IF THE PLAYER LOGS OFF, UNTIL THE PLAYER DECIDES TO TOGGLE THE OPTION.

This should not be a difficult feature to implement. It would surely satisfy elite players seeking the achievements concerned, as well as the larger elite player base who do not wish to ever mind if the CCB effect has been activated.

Thank you.



Oh btw, Support has replied as follows. At least it's not some defensive excuse they're giving. If feedback is what's needed, give it.

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done... sent the ticket to as i agree with you!

We dont need the achievement... we need the peace of mind Continuous CCB gives us... not having to wory whether we going to loose our crystals or not, thats what we want!

I dont care about free CCB... 12 hour CCB is a dime a dozen from IOD BAM's... I have so many of them its not even funny... what i care about is having peace of mind not having to wory about whether im going to loose my crystals or not!

As we have discussed previously... you dont even need those 20 points to achieve Champion Laurel... so why have that achievement in the first place... just remove it and be done with it!

Regards, Z
why are elite CCBs only 3 hours ? and not 12 like the common ones.
u gave us 24 three hour ccbs instead of just 6 twelve hour ones.
gg.
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
why are elite CCBs only 3 hours ? and not 12 like the common ones.
u gave us 24 three hour ccbs instead of just 6 twelve hour ones.
gg.

wht i dont understand is... Everful nostrum is unlimited... why not give us 12 hour CCB unlimited aswell?? makes no sense to me... its not like we can trade those things anyway, so why limit it??
TERA PC - General Discussion#280 Tewii12/15/2017, 12:54 PM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
I guess im going back to being a Free to play and use the cheap cheap 12 hour CCB's... i mean... who needs Elite anyway when you have 10 lvl65's that can run all dungeons and farm all day!... am i right???

Even in your intention to make a joke this is not so wrong about current state on Elite.

Even with the perma CCB it lacks something that can be called worth, aside from the "no fees" to put your stuff on broker everything else has no real impact.

You can get enought prime battle solutions for your characters and your won't run out of them.

You can get enought ccb for you to not worry for generations about your crystals breaking.

Free reset scrolls, they are really handy for those with few characters but for someone like you or several others this has almost no value at all.

Crafter's cure potion is nice but you can do enought gold to buy one from broker in 5 minutes, so again this is not so valuable at all.

Strong canephora and bravery, we already have ways to get them from game, you can run 4 star dungeons and use the scales to get more, you will need about 20 minutes to get enought scales to trade for 1 strong canephora and bravery, so again you dont have need of this at all.

Travel journal and Village atlas are not needed, maybe if Travel journal could add more then 5 places (maybe 15) in it could be worth to get, travel journal because rather useless with the vanguard window.

Gold hunter boost is an outdated perk that doesn't help that much and is not worth elite costs.

Elite Gift Box usually gives you items that you don't need but you have a chance to get a pet, strongbox key and other stuff. This could be worth elite if you don't have a pet, otherwise is not that apealing.

Flying mount, you get one free at level 65 and you can get an Iron Dragon Free just playing the game, most people I know got their dragon in a couple of months.

Exp boost. Not a great perk when you can level up a character in less than 14 hours in an account without elite and level 0 on emporium.

So far the only thing I see worth is the no fee to use broker for you to sell stuff because you will save a good amount of gold this way.

The perma ccb is only a minor qol that adds no value at all to Elite, its just added to a list of perks that are not needed and give you nothing worth the money you spend on it.

Once again because you don't understand.

Just because you look at the value of something and deem it to be, for you, worthless, doesn't mean it's worthless for other people.

Be considerate.
TERA PC - General Discussion#281 TWMagimay12/15/2017, 01:13 PM
You (like many others) already decided that there could not conceivably be any possible good reason except for stupidity or utter incompetence anyway. Trying to explain the issues from their point of view to have an actual discussion about it (which is all I've been trying to do) is meaningless.

That's because your explanation is basically "stupidity", just with more words. We understand the "good reason", we just think it's a stupid reason. Based on what you've said so far:
1. "We lived without it for 5 years, it's no biggie" : And those avid achievement hunters lived without that achievement for 5 years as well. Unless they also happen to have all other achievements done on their elin gunner, they don't actually have an issue.
2. "They don't want people to be cut off from content" : What about all those legacy achievements that weren't deleted? For a completionist(which is what somebody wanting that achievement is), the mere existence of the looong list of achievements that can't be obtained is no different from these two and these two don't even show up on the list so it's even less of an OCD trigger.
3. "They couldn't just tell people to cancel their elite, that's bad business" : Silence is golden. They didn't have to say -anything- at all. If they really wanted to be nice, they could've said that if players chose to discontinue their special discount elite in order to get these very important achievements, they'd reinstate said special discount once the achievements were obtained(which, according to another post in this topic is something they do).
4. "They can't give tradeable ones because that'd be OP" : That's the point where you lost the argument, in case you are wondering. The moment those words came out of Spacecat's keyboard, the genuine lack of understanding of the game became far too apparent for any cover-up to work.

Your(and their) arguments all boil down to "they did their best, guys" the same way you look at the giraffe-like painting of a horse a 3 year old drew and say "awww, it's so good, I know you did your best".
TERA PC - General Discussion#282 ElinUsagi12/15/2017, 04:37 PM
Tewii wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
I guess im going back to being a Free to play and use the cheap cheap 12 hour CCB's... i mean... who needs Elite anyway when you have 10 lvl65's that can run all dungeons and farm all day!... am i right???

Even in your intention to make a joke this is not so wrong about current state on Elite.

Even with the perma CCB it lacks something that can be called worth, aside from the "no fees" to put your stuff on broker everything else has no real impact.

You can get enought prime battle solutions for your characters and your won't run out of them.

You can get enought ccb for you to not worry for generations about your crystals breaking.

Free reset scrolls, they are really handy for those with few characters but for someone like you or several others this has almost no value at all.

Crafter's cure potion is nice but you can do enought gold to buy one from broker in 5 minutes, so again this is not so valuable at all.

Strong canephora and bravery, we already have ways to get them from game, you can run 4 star dungeons and use the scales to get more, you will need about 20 minutes to get enought scales to trade for 1 strong canephora and bravery, so again you dont have need of this at all.

Travel journal and Village atlas are not needed, maybe if Travel journal could add more then 5 places (maybe 15) in it could be worth to get, travel journal because rather useless with the vanguard window.

Gold hunter boost is an outdated perk that doesn't help that much and is not worth elite costs.

Elite Gift Box usually gives you items that you don't need but you have a chance to get a pet, strongbox key and other stuff. This could be worth elite if you don't have a pet, otherwise is not that apealing.

Flying mount, you get one free at level 65 and you can get an Iron Dragon Free just playing the game, most people I know got their dragon in a couple of months.

Exp boost. Not a great perk when you can level up a character in less than 14 hours in an account without elite and level 0 on emporium.

So far the only thing I see worth is the no fee to use broker for you to sell stuff because you will save a good amount of gold this way.

The perma ccb is only a minor qol that adds no value at all to Elite, its just added to a list of perks that are not needed and give you nothing worth the money you spend on it.

Once again because you don't understand.

Just because you look at the value of something and deem it to be, for you, worthless, doesn't mean it's worthless for other people.

Be considerate.

That is my opinion and I think you only want to look things from your own stand point because when you complain about something being worthless then no matter if that thing is worth for other people.

Read again these kinds of post you made where you make a good aproach and compare it with other post you already done in the past to see the diference in them.

In this case, about the perma ccb being removed reaction, it is really an over reaction in forums. If you bother for a perk that you need to activate every 12 hours because you can forget about its lenght and lost it on battle, there you have also the effect of the nostrum one that is even more important to lose in battle because it will impact the battle inmediatly after you lose its effect and not until you die again.

I think you miss again what I am saying, I concur that the perma ccb is a nice perk but is not a perk with a value to make worth elite. I concur that elite is lacking of elements and removing a perk even if is a small perk make its worth less for many people. I concur that perma ccb is more important than 20 points from 2 achievements that only promotes something you should avoid in the game. I concur that EME made a desicion based on feedback from a probable minority in the game but we don't have elements to prove they are the minority.

What I am pointing here is that many people are over reaction about this perk and instead of making suggestions about what could be better they only got in the "I will disregard others forums ideas and suggestions that don't apeal my interest to attack eme for their incompetence since only those who thinks like me are in the right and those who don't are only white knight and don't deserve space in this thread because their opinion is worthless".

So you can decide for first time if you can "Be considerated" and acknowlegde diferent ideas about this issue.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
The perma CCB was a small QoL, something that could be done with the everful nostrum. Removing it won't affect you at all since there are so easy to get, however removing that perk is not the way to solve things.

As many have said 20 points for achievements are not worth to get rid of a QoL perk.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
The perma ccb is a nice qol, is not that important but nice and if you could add it again in someway you can toggle on/off like some skills from classes then it would be ideal.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
The perma ccb is not even a reason to buy elite.

Is just a minor QoL that feeds our laziness, nothing more, nothing to make a fuzz over it but if they can give it back in a better way then it will be welcome.

Those were part of my first 3 post in this thread, I am pretty sure that you didn't even bother to read them, you will see that I am not against the idea to bring it back and that I concur with those who are upset about its removal, but not about the reactions from others.

If you really would care enought at this time you will see people from the old forums how anything that can bring a complain they don't even give an idea of a good solution, they only want to make a post insulting EME staff, being the old crew or the new, and if anyone tell them their opinion about the issue and is not the same as them they will be white knights, morons, stupids, idiots and the list go on.

I wonder why you as a PC member dont step on to calm down those people but step on to confront some one you have a personal grundge, oh wait, of course you will prefer to step to confront the one you have a persoanl grundge because you don't have anything of value to say in the post because you already contradicted yourself

Once again because you don't understand.

Just because you look at the value of something and deem it to be, for you, worthless, doesn't mean it's worthless for other people.

Be considerate.
Tewii wrote: »
Margarethe wrote: »
The current system is hindering achievement hunters in case they're elite.
This required to be removed or changed.
.

Or just don't renew your elite. Hello? Get up to speed, would you?
Tewii wrote: »
OK, guys? I'm not talking about the perm CCB being removed here (I, too, liked my perm CCB), I'm making fun of the "solution" used to get around that, because it's ridiculous.

I completely agree that they shouldn't have removed the perm CCB just for that, for the record.

Then if they care about the achievement that much, they should value the effort they went through to cancel their sub and do their achievement farm by using said solution more than the points themselves. Makes those ~20 worthless points~ that much more valuable!

Ex
Dee

You already steped in this forum in the page 2 and 3 and you made a post calling worthless something that have worth for other people, so where are you putting on practice your words?
TERA PC - General Discussion#283 kubitoid12/15/2017, 04:49 PM
not to mention 90% get elite status with gold. ccb.... ffs
kubitoid wrote: »
not to mention 90% get elite status with gold. ccb.... ffs

it doesnt matter if its with gold or Real money... as long you get an Elite Voucher in the end of the day EME still gets their money... someone had to buy that Voucher with real money for you to buy with gold in broker!
So in the end EME will always get their money...


Regards, Z
TERA PC - General Discussion#285 Naru200812/15/2017, 05:21 PM
done... sent the ticket to as i agree with you!

We dont need the achievement... we need the peace of mind Continuous CCB gives us... not having to wory whether we going to loose our crystals or not, thats what we want!

I dont care about free CCB... 12 hour CCB is a dime a dozen from IOD BAM's... I have so many of them its not even funny... what i care about is having peace of mind not having to wory about whether im going to loose my crystals or not!

As we have discussed previously... you dont even need those 20 points to achieve Champion Laurel... so why have that achievement in the first place... just remove it and be done with it!

Regards, Z

DO NOT send in support tickets and waste GMs times and increase legitimate user's times for issues to give feedback simply because you are upset.
Naru2008 wrote: »
DO NOT send in support tickets and waste GMs times and increase legitimate user's times for issues to give feedback simply because you are upset.

Then perhaps you know of a more direct way of contacting the right people that does not involve submitting a support ticket? I sure don't. Ticket submitted.
TERA PC - General Discussion#287 Naru200812/15/2017, 05:32 PM
Naru2008 wrote: »
DO NOT send in support tickets and waste GMs times and increase legitimate user's times for issues to give feedback simply because you are upset.

Then perhaps you know of a more direct way of contacting the right people that does not involve submitting a support ticket? I sure don't. Ticket submitted.

By doing this, you're punishing users who have ACTUAL problems and extending their response times, and abusing what the Support Ticket is for. It's obvious that you don't care, but it's a [filtered] move.

EDIT: You could use the Player Council, obviously. Not exactly direct, but @counterpoint is usually pretty good at forwarding concerns/feedback.
TERA PC - General Discussion#288 LesbianVi12/15/2017, 05:36 PM
Yeah, NA community is legit worse Tera community out there and we wonder why we have worse Tera out there also. :angry:
And the evidence supporting @counterpoint actually being effective is?
TERA PC - General Discussion#290 Naru200812/15/2017, 05:56 PM
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/196693/#Comment_196693
https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/comment/196655/#Comment_196655

He's the most (and personally, the only one I've seen) active Player Council member and is usually always in the know, and has multiple conversations with Spacey and Denomenator at least multiple times a day, even when they are busy,.

I could list more than two, but rather than ask someone to give you research, you should stop being lazy and do it yourself if you want proof.

On top of that, you're missing my entire point on telling you to not use the support ticket system to give feedback simply because you're upset. Yes, it's a stupid decision, but they made a mistake by doing permanent ccb in the first place without taking into consideration those achievements, no matter how minuscule they are, they still made a mistake, and this is their TEMPORARY fix. Punishing players who have legitimate issues, such as not being able to login, not able to reset their passwords, stuck under the map cause BHS doesn't know how to put invisible walls in the right places, not getting EMP they bought, and so on, is unfair to them, and they are more important than you repeating what we have all said in this thread over and over again in a support ticket, used for when you need support for something, NOT to provide feedback. That's what the forums are for.

I personally hope anyone who sends in a support ticket about this gets blocked from using it. There are more pressing matters than this, and you're causing an unnecessary delay in response times for those who need it. People with issues are more important than those who have an opinion which is already well-known.
TERA PC - General Discussion#291 Yamazuki12/15/2017, 06:00 PM
Naru2008 wrote: »
DO NOT send in support tickets and waste GMs times and increase legitimate user's times for issues to give feedback simply because you are upset.

Then perhaps you know of a more direct way of contacting the right people that does not involve submitting a support ticket? I sure don't. Ticket submitted.

They already are aware of the concerns considering there had initial been zero compromise, and they already are aware the compromise isn't as good as the previous way. Spamming support won't make them know more about it when they already know about it.

You would just be wasting your time, EME's time, and delaying a response to those in genuine need of help.
LesbianVi wrote: »
Yeah, NA community is legit worse Tera community out there and we wonder why we have worse Tera out there also. :angry:

Cute.
Of course, because the majority of the community are the ones that "whine" on the forums often.

If you actually believe EME made this change due to player feedback, you're delusional.
With all the feedback on other subjects they decided to act on this one?
Please.

They bugged a couple of achievements and took the poorest route to fix it.
I told them exactly why people in this thread are mad, why they feel the solution is worthless, and options to deal with it. Honestly, I don't expect anything to change before the holidays because they had reasons for making the change (whether people think they're stupid reasons or not) and because the solution isn't outright broken even if people don't like it. The best solutions require BHS to do something anyway (like make a toggle, remove the achievement, etc.).

Anyway, it's in their hands, and I (and I'm sure others) will bring it up again in the new year if nothing has changed.
BTW, these 20+ pages are a bigger feedback to keep continuous ccb then anything eme got about removing it for 20 pts achievement.
if you want propper feedback make a voting poll AND announce it in game as well, now i know there's always the argument of multiple voting HOWEVER what will be clear from a poll is that you will see which options there is NO interest for, which will at least eliminate options and stear eme in the direction of "logic land".
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
if you want propper feedback make a voting poll AND announce it in game as well, now i know there's always the argument of multiple voting HOWEVER what will be clear from a poll is that you will see which options there is NO interest for, which will at least eliminate options and stear eme in the direction of "logic land".
"Dear person who submitted a ticket about the achievements we broke with our Elite changes,

The majority of the forums voted in a poll and they've decided your request is stupid so tough [filtered].

Best regards,
Some EME GM"

HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
if you want propper feedback make a voting poll AND announce it in game as well, now i know there's always the argument of multiple voting HOWEVER what will be clear from a poll is that you will see which options there is NO interest for, which will at least eliminate options and stear eme in the direction of "logic land".
"Dear person who submitted a ticket about the achievements we broke with our Elite changes,

The majority of the forums voted in a poll and they've decided your request is stupid so tough [filtered].

Best regards,
Some EME GM"

P.S. If you want the achievement all you have to do is let your elite run out for like legit 10 minutes, go up to some high tier IoD bams and die until you have the achievement, renew your subscription and you good. We realize this may be of slight inconvenience to you, but the vast majority of our paying playerbase want permanent CCB so we kindly thank you for your understanding. Regards, Some EME GM
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
if you want propper feedback make a voting poll AND announce it in game as well, now i know there's always the argument of multiple voting HOWEVER what will be clear from a poll is that you will see which options there is NO interest for, which will at least eliminate options and stear eme in the direction of "logic land".
"Dear person who submitted a ticket about the achievements we broke with our Elite changes,

The majority of the forums voted in a poll and they've decided your request is stupid so tough [filtered].

Best regards,
Some EME GM"

P.S. If you want the achievement all you have to do is let your elite run out for like legit 10 minutes, go up to some high tier IoD bams and die until you have the achievement, renew your subscription and you good. We realize this may be of slight inconvenience to you, but the vast majority of our paying playerbase want permanent CCB so we kindly thank you for your understanding. Regards, Some EME GM

They would never be allowed to tell a customer to stop paying them money to get the full functionality of the product. They'd consider that wholly backwards (Elite must be the same or better than F2P in every aspect). That's why they consider this their fault in the first place. If someone put this on the forum, we'd definitely tell them that -- or to not care because it's not necessary.
Marked my ticket as resolved due to recent comments by @counterpoint
As someone who's gotten champion laurel before, and understands that the requirements change every season, I still will stand by the fact that these 20 points aren't necessary for champion. That said, if you truly want to get them, the solution is as easy as I've mentioned. Most of the community don't go after the achievements. While I'm not saying they aren't important, why are they just now worrying about the game? How long did we all suffer through the horrid lag over the last year or so. How long did it take them to disable dreamstorm. How many times did people tell them repeatedly not to do another mongo event because the economy was [filtered] and they still did the stuff. People have begged and pleaded to change the elite perks for a while now. Among the requests were extra travel journal locations, a fix for the gold boost, noctenium, better elite store discounts, etc. Nothing. They finally added a decent perk - perma CCB - and they took it away for an unnecessary achievement.
TERA PC - General Discussion#300 Xristosx12/15/2017, 06:33 PM
I dont think they actually want people to be happy with this temp fix otherwise they wouldn't of done it.
The fact that they refused to put 12 hour CCB's on the bar in large quantities and instead decided that it was some how better to put a bunch of crystal binds that are 1/4 effective of our normal one means they have a severe lack of understanding. Because the 12 hour one still is a better temp solution. I dont get why we get a [filtered] crystal bind.
And for the love of god do not tell me 1 day elite people will abuse it because yeah sure it totally is the most lucrative thing ever, freaking the economy will go completely out of balance if we had 12 hour ccb's on the bar.

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After some words of Counterpoint feels better.
Thank for support. : 3
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
if you want propper feedback make a voting poll AND announce it in game as well, now i know there's always the argument of multiple voting HOWEVER what will be clear from a poll is that you will see which options there is NO interest for, which will at least eliminate options and stear eme in the direction of "logic land".
"Dear person who submitted a ticket about the achievements we broke with our Elite changes,

The majority of the forums voted in a poll and they've decided your request is stupid so tough [filtered].

Best regards,
Some EME GM"


(I'm sure there are some tickets they'd really like to give that response to...)

that actually raises a good point, what's more valid, forum polls/posts or support tickets? well the answer is simple: someone or a group that IS responsible at eme needs to make common sense decisions based on all the facts, so far those decisions have been the wrong ones .
we all know as players that there are some Do's and Dont's that we just know based on actual game play experience.

i cant help thinking about the "player council" that imo sounded like a step in the right direction. at least they could tell eme when things are stupid or actually make perfect sense to implement.
At the very least we have the tradeable CCBs that last for 12hrs so it is something though i kinda started to get used with the permanent option.

And as someone said: either make it permanent or remove it to add something better but do not change with with some half assed CCBs
There's not really anything else that needs to be said in this thread.

Players: "We want our continuous ccb back!"
Player council: "We do too but eme says we're less important than a dozen people who want 20 achievement points"
Eme: "what's a crystal?"
TERA PC - General Discussion#305 TWMagimay12/15/2017, 08:01 PM
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
if you want propper feedback make a voting poll AND announce it in game as well, now i know there's always the argument of multiple voting HOWEVER what will be clear from a poll is that you will see which options there is NO interest for, which will at least eliminate options and stear eme in the direction of "logic land".
"Dear person who submitted a ticket about the achievements we broke with our Elite changes,

The majority of the forums voted in a poll and they've decided your request is stupid so tough [filtered].

Best regards,
Some EME GM"

P.S. If you want the achievement all you have to do is let your elite run out for like legit 10 minutes, go up to some high tier IoD bams and die until you have the achievement, renew your subscription and you good. We realize this may be of slight inconvenience to you, but the vast majority of our paying playerbase want permanent CCB so we kindly thank you for your understanding. Regards, Some EME GM

They would never be allowed to tell a customer to stop paying them money to get the full functionality of the product. They'd consider that wholly backwards (Elite must be the same or better than F2P in every aspect). That's why they consider this their fault in the first place. If someone put this on the forum, we'd definitely tell them that -- or to not care because it's not necessary. This whole issue is the crutch of the conversation.

How about:

Dear Player,
We understand the issue you are having and will forward your feedback to BHS as we work on ways to improve the gaming experience for everybody.
Best regards,
Some EmE GM

For real though, we get that on so many things but this one time they couldn't just "froward the feedback" and chill?
On another subject: elite dropped to 48k on MT and it was 60-65k some weeks ago..
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
On another subject: elite dropped to 48k on MT and it was 60-65k some weeks ago..
HLK76PFWXT wrote: »
On another subject: elite dropped to 48k on MT and it was 60-65k some weeks ago..

That's mainly just cause Black Friday sales and people tryna make back their money before price inflates back up but I wouldn't be surprised if it dropped just a little.
TWMagimay wrote: »
For real though, we get that on so many things but this one time they couldn't just "froward the feedback" and chill?
Here is my guess...

Assign to BHS - Bug Report: "The achievement <x> is no longer achievable when offering Continuous Crystalbind to Elite subscribers."
Assign to EME - "Resolved: Working as Intended in K-TERA. Will not fix. Do not offer Continous Crystalbind to subscribers if you want them to be able to get this achievement."

So for now EME "fixes the bug." And then what I would do, separately...

Assign to BHS - Feature Request: "The achievement <x> still provides points even though it is hidden. Please retire this achievement so that it no longer provides points."

Now it insinuates that it's actually their bug, but you file it as a feature to give them a "fix" that allows them to be lazy. Meanwhile it fixes the actual issue with your continous crystalbind and everyone is happy. The end.

If that doesn't work, at least now you have a forum full of angry complaints that you can point to and say "see, our customers are mad as heck and want you to fix this."

Yay for business politics.
TERA PC - General Discussion#309 TWMagimay12/15/2017, 11:58 PM
TWMagimay wrote: »
For real though, we get that on so many things but this one time they couldn't just "froward the feedback" and chill?
Here is my guess...

Assign to BHS - Bug Report: "The achievement <x> is no longer achievable when offering Continuous Crystalbind to Elite subscribers."
Assign to EME - "Resolved: Working as Intended in K-TERA. Will not fix. Do not offer Continous Crystalbind to subscribers if you want them to be able to get this achievement."

So for now EME "fixes the bug." And then what I would do, separately...

Assign to BHS - Feature Request: "The achievement <x> still provides points even though it is hidden. Please retire this achievement so that it no longer provides points."

Now it insinuates that it's actually their bug, but you file it as a feature to give them a "fix" that allows them to be lazy. Meanwhile it fixes the actual issue with your continous crystalbind and everyone is happy. The end.

If that doesn't work, at least now you have a forum full of angry complaints that you can point to and say "see, our customers are mad as heck and want you to fix this."

Yay for business politics.

I didn't say they should forward it to BHS in that manner though. I said they could respond to tickets by saying they are working on a fix and not by either saying "tough poop" or flat out removing the perk from elite. How they go about retiring the achievement is their business.
Just an FYI, this topic was discussed in the end of today's stream. They said they're hoping to get a toggle, but BHS has to do it.
TERA PC - General Discussion#311 Xristosx12/16/2017, 01:42 AM
Just an FYI, this topic was discussed in the end of today's stream. They said they're hoping to get a toggle, but BHS has to do it.

Still wasn't a solution at all, 12 hour would of rectified that atleast. when they said it was 72 hours worth it was pointless.I haven't used the 3 hour once and its taking up a extra space on my screen now and it's serving as a constant reminder to me of EME's incompetence while i pop my 12 hour ones i luckly still kept.
TERA PC - General Discussion#312 c0g12/16/2017, 01:45 AM
Just an FYI, this topic was discussed in the end of today's stream. They said they're hoping to get a toggle, but BHS has to do it.

I can't stress this enough - make the toggle option stay the same even if you have logged out. It's not just about "it's easy I just need to log in and remember to click on the toggle to activate it. If you forget, you probably deserve it". There are more than enough times players may still forget, like when you are suffering lag in the middle of a run and need to relog, you might forget little things like this when you return to the game, only to realize you've lost crystals only after you're dead again. If this isn't factored in, it's gonna be back to square one all over again. So if we're to have a permanent CCB, make it PERMANENT once and for all, and let's make this request very clear to them at the onset and not further waste any party's time and energy over this no more.
TERA PC - General Discussion#313 ElinUsagi12/16/2017, 02:02 AM
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c0g wrote: »
Just an FYI, this topic was discussed in the end of today's stream. They said they're hoping to get a toggle, but BHS has to do it.

I can't stress this enough - make the toggle option stay the same even if you have logged out. It's not just about "it's easy I just need to log in and remember to click on the toggle to activate it. If you forget, you probably deserve it". There are more than enough times players may still forget, like when you are suffering lag in the middle of a run and need to relog, you might forget little things like this when you return to the game, only to realize you've lost crystals only after you're dead again. If this isn't factored in, it's gonna be back to square one all over again. So if we're to have a permanent CCB, make it PERMANENT once and for all, and let's make this request very clear to them at the onset and not further waste any party's time and energy over this no more.

You have a good point here, if they make a toggle to active it then the game should mantain your buff on if you logged off that way, because if you have to toggle on each time you log off and log in then the current 3hx24 is way better.
c0g wrote: »
I can't stress this enough - make the toggle option stay the same even if you have logged out.
Definitely do agree with this, too.
Just an FYI, this topic was discussed in the end of today's stream. They said they're hoping to get a toggle, but BHS has to do it.

i watcheds that part of the stream and i have to just say..the 3 hour ccb didnt exist.. the 12 hour ccd DID already exist.. why in the world did they come up witha 3 hour ccb is the crazy sad part.
AND they said if he had put 12 hour ccb we would have asked for a week, we actually would have asked for a 1 month ccb..=continuous ccb duh!!! :P .
TERA PC - General Discussion#316 c0g12/16/2017, 03:47 AM
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
Just an FYI, this topic was discussed in the end of today's stream. They said they're hoping to get a toggle, but BHS has to do it.

i watcheds that part of the stream and i have to just say..the 3 hour ccb didnt exist.. the 12 hour ccd DID already exist.. why in the world did they come up witha 3 hour ccb is the crazy sad part.
AND they said if he had put 12 hour ccb we would have asked for a week, we actually would have asked for a 1 month ccb..=continuous ccb duh!!! :P .

Nah, we asked for a permanent, specifically, the one they took from us after we had it for a month c;
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
Just an FYI, this topic was discussed in the end of today's stream. They said they're hoping to get a toggle, but BHS has to do it.

i watcheds that part of the stream and i have to just say..the 3 hour ccb didnt exist.. the 12 hour ccd DID already exist.. why in the world did they come up witha 3 hour ccb is the crazy sad part.

It existed for them in the game files, just it hadn't been distributed until now. I guess other regions might use it for whatever reason.
TERA PC - General Discussion#318 tisnotme12/16/2017, 04:01 AM
c0g wrote: »
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
Just an FYI, this topic was discussed in the end of today's stream. They said they're hoping to get a toggle, but BHS has to do it.

i watcheds that part of the stream and i have to just say..the 3 hour ccb didnt exist.. the 12 hour ccd DID already exist.. why in the world did they come up witha 3 hour ccb is the crazy sad part.
AND they said if he had put 12 hour ccb we would have asked for a week, we actually would have asked for a 1 month ccb..=continuous ccb duh!!! :P .

Nah, we asked for a permanent, specifically, the one they took from us after we had it for a month c;

and they said . specifically . you wont get it back as they are trying to cater to both partys and they have asked for the toggle set up but until BH commits to it . it will be this way
so it was asked
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
why in the world did they come up witha 3 hour ccb is the crazy sad part.
and they answered with
HAAYAAKD43 wrote: »
if he had put 12 hour ccb we would have asked for a week, we actually would have asked for a 1 month ccb..=continuous ccb duh!!! :P .

and you haven't asked c0g you've all demanded , [filtered] every one else that would like an option ~ its to be only one way no compromise

TERA PC - General Discussion#319 Meshak12/16/2017, 05:01 AM
I bet its BHS who told them no perma ccb. I think EME went out and did it and then when they realized it blocked some content innocently asked BHS for some help and BHS told them not to block content get rid of perma ccb. So, I don't think perma ccb will be coming back. Its why they're hoping for a toggle. Which I bet we'll have to turn on every time we log on. Its the same as a 12 hour game time ccb. Really if you just turn one on at log on, its pretty much the same as a toggle, you just don't have to have the ccb in inventory.

If this is the case, I wish eme would just come out and say we made a mistake gals n guys we cant do perma ccb, sorry we know you liked it.

But again, especially if this is just going to be a toggle every time I log in. I would rather give this up for something more valuable. Elite is really in a poor state if were arguing this hard for a paid for perk that is free and easily available in game.

To me, this is an excellent indication of the poor state of elite.
TERA PC - General Discussion#320 c0g12/16/2017, 06:01 AM
If players are gonna have to Toggle the feature on everytime they log in, EME/BHS you can stop wasting your time making changes cuz players still need to remind themselves of it, and that's exactly what we're trying to do away with.

If this is to be true, it's better we all get a different feature, like Toggle on Bravery or Noct.
TERA PC - General Discussion#321 Gelos12/16/2017, 06:32 PM
as there are no drops after lvl 60 but the occasional mat; the elite gold boost doubles the quests reward which is a nice thing to not be a "noob" with as you are told when you cancel elite.
TERA PC - General Discussion#322 Gelos12/16/2017, 06:35 PM
Babbelsim wrote: »
if they perma remove CCB, it would be nice to get something in return added to Elite, gem bag would be nice for example :#

now this is a solution
TERA PC - General Discussion#323 kubitoid12/16/2017, 09:12 PM
should introduce 2 types of elite status. low elite and high elite
kubitoid wrote: »
should introduce 2 types of elite status. low elite and high elite

You say that, but actually in their new game Closers, they literally have a Premium Elite. It doesn't cost extra, but you have to subscribe (or have been subscribed) for 90 days.
TERA PC - General Discussion#325 Pinopy12/17/2017, 01:45 AM
I'm an achievement hunter myself and I must say that while its only 20 points, 20 points can make the difference when you are going for a laurel like champion.

Even so, I had no problem with the perma ccb, in fact I loved it a lot. It was a nice change for elite and made my 15 bucks per month feel a little more worth it.
You see, those of you who find perma ccb to be useless, as OP said its not about having free ccbs and not having to buy them yourself... If you play the game even a little bit, ccbs are so common and cheap that its useless to have a bunch of free, LOWER DURATION BTW, ccbs...

The whole thing that made perma CCB such a good QoL change was the simple fact that you would never have to run into the problem of forgetting to pop it before a dungeon, so now with lower duration CCBs, you run the risk of forgetting a lot more often, thus going from having a good elite change to having a change that is beyond useless as its more worthless than using the normal 12 hour ones. Why?

It's a horrible feeling, for example, to go into a dungeon for training, obviously die a lot, and then realize you forgot to turn your ccb back on. If you have never been in that situation or at least seen someone in that situation, you haven't been playing long enough.
Discussion not closed yet ? :o
TERA PC - General Discussion#327 Pinopy12/17/2017, 01:55 AM
Discussion not closed yet ? :o

Why would it be closed? It's a fair thread imo, the more this is voiced the more likely they might do something about it, like at the very least do a toggle ccb system
TERA PC - General Discussion#328 tisnotme12/17/2017, 03:13 AM
Pinopy wrote: »
Discussion not closed yet ? :o

Why would it be closed? It's a fair thread imo, the more this is voiced the more likely they might do something about it, like at the very least do a toggle ccb system

they have already stated in the last stream they arnt going to do any more with this (and stated their reasons) unless the toggle becomes available and that is something that is out of their hands and with BHS already
TERA PC - General Discussion#329 Xristosx12/17/2017, 04:29 AM
Discussion not closed yet ? :o

Because it's a ongoing issue, there's no point closing it other wise that's basically silencing people who want it changed to something better. Which i don't think that would make people happy.

But it appears I'm the only one who thinks the change was absolutely ridiculous to make something worse....unless other people want to speak up.
I still stand by nothing being wrong with putting 12 hour ones in. since it was the standard in the game.
TERA PC - General Discussion#330 Feenox12/17/2017, 04:52 AM
Pinopy wrote: »
I'm an achievement hunter myself and I must say that while its only 20 points, 20 points can make the difference when you are going for a laurel like champion.

it really makes no difference anymore. maybe 2 years ago you could say that, but there are so many other achievements you can do to fill the gap that are even easier than the crystal breaking one :/. as someone who has had champion laurel every patch since TSHM was released, champion is way easier to get now than it was before. if someone is really so hellbent on getting that achievement they should just wait till their elite runs out and do the achievement.
TERA PC - General Discussion#331 ElinUsagi12/17/2017, 09:14 AM
Feenox wrote: »
Pinopy wrote: »
I'm an achievement hunter myself and I must say that while its only 20 points, 20 points can make the difference when you are going for a laurel like champion.

it really makes no difference anymore. maybe 2 years ago you could say that, but there are so many other achievements you can do to fill the gap that are even easier than the crystal breaking one :/. as someone who has had champion laurel every patch since TSHM was released, champion is way easier to get now than it was before. if someone is really so hellbent on getting that achievement they should just wait till their elite runs out and do the achievement.

The issue was not from elite status fom vouchers, the issue is about elite from suscription.

Is not about waiting for a voucher effect to rundown and then wait to do the achievement before using a new voucher, the issue is you lose a discount from suscription if you interrupt it and this is the thing that made the complain from achievement hunters.

At least is what I think could have happened.
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