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General Discussion: Slayers are bad?
View post on Tera forums#1 ImJustBad09/30/2017, 08:09 PM
I've been really enjoying the Slayer Class but im just getting unmotivated with all the negative stigma people attach to the class.

Are they just that garbage and not viable late game?

Is there anything that the slayer class can bring to the table that other classes can't or do all other classes outshine them...
Dunno I seen slayers in dungs in DW with amazing dmg and wonder survivability. It was like god mode. Also seen opposite. I think everything us possible depends on who is slayering)
View post on Tera forums#3 LesbianVi09/30/2017, 08:36 PM
They are bad compare to other classes, but again player's skill is a great factor.

But what I noticed since I play all classes, usually low to mid gear. Slayers needs perfect rolls, maximized crits, means at least 20+ crit inner, but recommended is +24 if gonna run hardest content, so it needs more effort and golds and more RNG to be in your favor, but you still can get unlucky and see so many white attacks.

BHS is too dam stupid, I mean aren't we all playing Tera? why a good system like Talent system that balances classes are not coming to NA?

Well stupid is a kind word for BHS these days.
View post on Tera forums#4 Pixelator09/30/2017, 08:38 PM
Slayers right now are fairly weak and outclassed for the most part, and they don't really bring any utility either. They are very dependent on randomness, too, as their core skills Heart Thrust and Overhand Strike rely on resets. Their signature buff In Cold Blood's increase modifier on Ultimate Overhand also fluctuates between each usage. But assuming everything aligns, slayers can be up there with the top classes.

That's not even to mention the new passive that will be coming over in a few months. It will allow Whirlwind and Eviscerate, on critical hits, to reduce cooldown on their most powerful skill, Measured Slice. This passive also will cause any Overhand Strike and Eviscerate hits to reduce the cooldown on Whirlwind. This will obviously increase damage output significantly. Also increases Slayer's AoE capacity immensely.
View post on Tera forums#5 Minazuki09/30/2017, 08:41 PM
Play what you want.
The problem would be on the player but not on the class. For your own sake ignore some players.
View post on Tera forums#6 CornishRex09/30/2017, 09:39 PM
Slayers are mid tier currently. They're not as bad as ninjas and not as good as warriors for example. You can still do decent damage. Play what you like, class balance fluctuates every month in tera.
View post on Tera forums#7 ImJustBad09/30/2017, 09:45 PM
thanks for the heads up everyone.
i got to lvl 30 and it was so repetitive. no real challenge as a slayer.
I just deleted my slayer and decided to play gunner.
Shes more of my play style.
View post on Tera forums#8 Ves197809/30/2017, 11:15 PM
no, slayers aren't bad, it's just you bro :D
you need hands, no like spacebar pro classes hue
View post on Tera forums#10 NikuroTega10/01/2017, 07:03 AM
ImJustBad wrote: »
thanks for the heads up everyone.
i got to lvl 30 and it was so repetitive. no real challenge as a slayer.
I just deleted my slayer and decided to play gunner.
Shes more of my play style.

If you think Slayer was repetitive at lv30, wait till you reach lv65 on Gunner. Lmfao!
View post on Tera forums#11 ImJustBad10/01/2017, 08:25 AM
Ves1978 wrote: »
no, slayers aren't bad, it's just you bro :D

i never said slayers are bad, its the community.
View post on Tera forums#12 Obs10/01/2017, 03:48 PM
NikuroTega wrote: »
ImJustBad wrote: »
thanks for the heads up everyone.
i got to lvl 30 and it was so repetitive. no real challenge as a slayer.
I just deleted my slayer and decided to play gunner.
Shes more of my play style.

If you think Slayer was repetitive at lv30, wait till you reach lv65 on Gunner. Lmfao!

Gunner, at least before their big buffs, was one of the hardest classes to master. I'm not sure about after the buff, but it should be similar.
View post on Tera forums#13 66ECX7NAN710/01/2017, 07:00 PM
Slayer is fine, ninjas are bad.
View post on Tera forums#14 vkobe10/01/2017, 07:12 PM
66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
Slayer is fine, ninjas are bad.

ninja are cute elin :3
View post on Tera forums#15 Gelos10/01/2017, 07:40 PM
ninjas rock or at least mine does in so so gear
View post on Tera forums#16 feminzii10/01/2017, 09:29 PM
they are bad. and no, it's not "all" about skill. what happens when two people are at the same skill level? then what does skill matter?
some classes are just better than others.

to say they are not viable is false, though. fortunately as awful at BHS at balancing, all of the classes can be used for all content just fine. People were even doing scxm with multiple slayers as the dps
View post on Tera forums#17 NikuroTega10/01/2017, 09:33 PM
Obs wrote: »
NikuroTega wrote: »
ImJustBad wrote: »
thanks for the heads up everyone.
i got to lvl 30 and it was so repetitive. no real challenge as a slayer.
I just deleted my slayer and decided to play gunner.
Shes more of my play style.

If you think Slayer was repetitive at lv30, wait till you reach lv65 on Gunner. Lmfao!

Gunner, at least before their big buffs, was one of the hardest classes to master. I'm not sure about after the buff, but it should be similar.

Gunner wasn't that hard to master. Even before the buffs.
View post on Tera forums#18 LessThanNone10/01/2017, 11:37 PM
All classes are viable if you aren't looking to play at the top end. At the top end slayers are still bottom tier, with a base dps only slightly greater or equal to ninjas. The only reason you see slayers that are even able to compete with the other classes is when they get ICB rng which makes it so that they can match a warriors dps. However, this is rather rare and shouldn't be taken into account when talking about the class as a whole.

So, are slayers bad?
If you're looking to play a class casually then they're fine. Any class is fine for this and any class can clear any of the current content.
If you're looking to complete with other players dps at the top end then they're trash tier along with ninjas unless you manage to get the ICB rng required to do around the same dps as a top end warrior.
View post on Tera forums#19 ImJustBad10/02/2017, 03:41 AM
All classes are viable if you aren't looking to play at the top end. At the top end slayers are still bottom tier, with a base dps only slightly greater or equal to ninjas. The only reason you see slayers that are even able to compete with the other classes is when they get ICB rng which makes it so that they can match a warriors dps. However, this is rather rare and shouldn't be taken into account when talking about the class as a whole.

So, are slayers bad?
If you're looking to play a class casually then they're fine. Any class is fine for this and any class can clear any of the current content.
If you're looking to complete with other players dps at the top end then they're trash tier along with ninjas unless you manage to get the ICB rng required to do around the same dps as a top end warrior.

this. As a competitive gamer, i'm looking for the best performance late game.
im looking for versatility, a fluid character.
Im looking for a class that can ultimately "out-play" other classes in their given role.
View post on Tera forums#20 Minazuki10/02/2017, 04:48 AM
A class wont make a gamer become competitive. It is the gamers skill to make them competitive.
The outcome would be different on each player.
Sorry for my broken engrish
View post on Tera forums#21 ImJustBad10/02/2017, 04:54 AM
True, but the gamers skill can only take him/her so far if the class isn't top tier.
View post on Tera forums#22 Minazuki10/02/2017, 05:09 AM
Who decide which class is top tier?
The outcome would be different on each player.
View post on Tera forums#23 ImJustBad10/02/2017, 05:19 AM
Statistics.
cant beat hard solid facts.
View post on Tera forums#24 Haggard8610/02/2017, 05:39 AM
If you want to be top tier, then get used to switching chars a lot. Every time they buff or nerf classes, the order changes, and it happens often.
feminzii wrote: »
"i won't take you as dps because you are playing a slayer"

Except last patch's HH and this one as well. Most people avoid accepting slayers if they can
View post on Tera forums#26 HowAboutNo10/02/2017, 02:31 PM
Slayers probably have a bad image because they used to be bottom tier, plus there aren't many people that stick with them and become good. As you said, the DPS outcome depends on the class, but it also depends on the player (their experience / talent). But this class's overall potential is currently mid-tier (without high ICB multiplier).

As @Haggard86 said, if your main goal is max DPS, then you'll need to rotate to whichever class is top-tier in a patch.
If you're looking to "out-play" people, however, then you might want to choose a class that's not officially the best and master that one, and make it a challenge to be better than others, which might be more exciting, depending on what you want.
What i mean is, I tried out Archer recently and got told I was best DPS in the party. Do I feel accomplished or like I "out-played" people by standing at range with usually no need to dodge anything and just spamming my attacks? Not really, but that's me. But if it was primary goal to be top DPS then I'm pretty sure this would have satisfied me.
Everyone has different goals. So if you're focusing on DPS, choose your class depending on what you prefer, big numbers, a challenge, etc...
View post on Tera forums#27 LesbianVi10/02/2017, 02:32 PM
Recently I am killing IOD bams to get to tier 6 lol

Slayers seems doing it slowly if I get unlucky. This might not say a lot but as I noticed Slayer and Sorc relies on Critical hits more than other classes and they do it less than others, on some bam it goes so fast and sometimes and many times no crits at all and I cry. I know Zerk requires much crit but at least I see some improvements if you don't crit the 1st time.

Again as other players that run things at high end, and they said before I don't get why Talent system stays in Ktera, this is about game play and other regions are effected by the lack of balance.
View post on Tera forums#28 ImJustBad10/02/2017, 05:05 PM
HowAboutNo wrote: »
Slayers probably have a bad image because they used to be bottom tier, plus there aren't many people that stick with them and become good. As you said, the DPS outcome depends on the class, but it also depends on the player (their experience / talent). But this class's overall potential is currently mid-tier (without high ICB multiplier).

As @Haggard86 said, if your main goal is max DPS, then you'll need to rotate to whichever class is top-tier in a patch.
If you're looking to "out-play" people, however, then you might want to choose a class that's not officially the best and master that one, and make it a challenge to be better than others, which might be more exciting, depending on what you want.
What i mean is, I tried out Archer recently and got told I was best DPS in the party. Do I feel accomplished or like I "out-played" people by standing at range with usually no need to dodge anything and just spamming my attacks? Not really, but that's me. But if it was primary goal to be top DPS then I'm pretty sure this would have satisfied me.
Everyone has different goals. So if you're focusing on DPS, choose your class depending on what you prefer, big numbers, a challenge, etc...

i guess you are totally right. that would be the most competitive aspect of the game. to out shine others with a class least used.
View post on Tera forums#29 Ves197810/02/2017, 09:41 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
Recently I am killing IOD bams to get to tier 6 lol

Slayers seems doing it slowly if I get unlucky. This might not say a lot but as I noticed Slayer and Sorc relies on Critical hits more than other classes and they do it less than others, on some bam it goes so fast and sometimes and many times no crits at all and I cry. I know Zerk requires much crit but at least I see some improvements if you don't crit the 1st time.

Again as other players that run things at high end, and they said before I don't get why Talent system stays in Ktera, this is about game play and other regions are effected by the lack of balance.

idk what's your gear and crit factor but my DW slayer clears IoD quests faster than my DW archer. since i have enough crit i use double energetic IV and have cdr roll on weapon so measured slice is ready every 7 seconds. all you have to do is make sure you're behind the bam at that moment :D
View post on Tera forums#30 ElinUsagi10/02/2017, 09:52 PM
Ves1978 wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
Recently I am killing IOD bams to get to tier 6 lol

Slayers seems doing it slowly if I get unlucky. This might not say a lot but as I noticed Slayer and Sorc relies on Critical hits more than other classes and they do it less than others, on some bam it goes so fast and sometimes and many times no crits at all and I cry. I know Zerk requires much crit but at least I see some improvements if you don't crit the 1st time.

Again as other players that run things at high end, and they said before I don't get why Talent system stays in Ktera, this is about game play and other regions are effected by the lack of balance.

idk what's your gear and crit factor but my DW slayer clears IoD quests faster than my DW archer. since i have enough crit i use double energetic IV and have cdr roll on weapon so measured slice is ready every 7 seconds. all you have to do is make sure you're behind the bam at that moment :D

Even in Misery gear an Slayer can take out 3 IoD bams (ie. Iron giants) in less than a minute when your criticals proceed.

But critical rate wont come from gear it self but most from Accesories. The only piece of gear you will get critical factor for your recomended settings are Gloves and, is about preference if you want to make it Energetic Etchings, Keen Etchings or Pumped etchings.

In my opinion Keen etchings will benefit Slayer the most on IoD because top tier bams have lots of critical resist factor, for dungeons Energetic Etchings should prove more useful because Slayers get to desinc a lot if you are a high ping player, and for PvP you could go with Energetic or Pumped.
View post on Tera forums#31 LesbianVi10/03/2017, 06:13 PM
Ves1978 wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
Recently I am killing IOD bams to get to tier 6 lol

Slayers seems doing it slowly if I get unlucky. This might not say a lot but as I noticed Slayer and Sorc relies on Critical hits more than other classes and they do it less than others, on some bam it goes so fast and sometimes and many times no crits at all and I cry. I know Zerk requires much crit but at least I see some improvements if you don't crit the 1st time.

Again as other players that run things at high end, and they said before I don't get why Talent system stays in Ktera, this is about game play and other regions are effected by the lack of balance.

idk what's your gear and crit factor but my DW slayer clears IoD quests faster than my DW archer. since i have enough crit i use double energetic IV and have cdr roll on weapon so measured slice is ready every 7 seconds. all you have to do is make sure you're behind the bam at that moment :D

well, that is actually the point, with same stats and stuff Slayers fall short but if you are reach and get so much crit they are better :D
View post on Tera forums#32 Ves197810/04/2017, 09:39 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
Ves1978 wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
Recently I am killing IOD bams to get to tier 6 lol

Slayers seems doing it slowly if I get unlucky. This might not say a lot but as I noticed Slayer and Sorc relies on Critical hits more than other classes and they do it less than others, on some bam it goes so fast and sometimes and many times no crits at all and I cry. I know Zerk requires much crit but at least I see some improvements if you don't crit the 1st time.

Again as other players that run things at high end, and they said before I don't get why Talent system stays in Ktera, this is about game play and other regions are effected by the lack of balance.

idk what's your gear and crit factor but my DW slayer clears IoD quests faster than my DW archer. since i have enough crit i use double energetic IV and have cdr roll on weapon so measured slice is ready every 7 seconds. all you have to do is make sure you're behind the bam at that moment :D

well, that is actually the point, with same stats and stuff Slayers fall short but if you are reach and get so much crit they are better :D

well, my crit is 56+274, that's kinda enough :D
View post on Tera forums#33 ImJustBad10/07/2017, 06:15 PM
Yoo guys, so i decided to go back to playing slayer.
I got motivation from this post to give it another shot.
I was crit quite often till i hit lvl 40 ish and i rarely see any crits.
Is this normal for Slayers? and will that change at 65 with gear?
View post on Tera forums#34 ElinUsagi10/07/2017, 06:22 PM
ImJustBad wrote: »
Yoo guys, so i decided to go back to playing slayer.
I got motivation from this post to give it another shot.
I was crit quite often till i hit lvl 40 ish and i rarely see any crits.
Is this normal for Slayers? and will that change at 65 with gear?

Yes it is normal.

Yes it changes a lot with end-game gear, you will equipe critical factor jewellery, inners and brooches to get the most critical factor you need.

They dont have a critical factor cap, that means you can get +300 critical factor and still miss a critical hit in your core skills, but that critical factor amount almost make measured slice to crit above 90% so good luck with your class.
View post on Tera forums#35 WrongHole10/07/2017, 06:27 PM
You guys need to understand that EA class have a limit, so its doesnt matter how hard you try with slayer.
View post on Tera forums#36 SageWindu10/07/2017, 06:46 PM
WrongHole wrote: »
You guys need to understand that EA class have a limit, so its doesnt matter how hard you try with slayer.

Huh?

If you're saying what I think you are, then yes, slayers indeed don't have a limit and that's the problem. Every other class has more build options due to either an easy-to-achieve crit cap (i.e. warriors) or by having a high attack power baseline (i.e. zerks). Slayers don't have either, so you have to keep pouring resources into increasing the crit rate just be able to keep up.

And by all means, please correct me if I'm wrong.
View post on Tera forums#37 WrongHole10/07/2017, 07:33 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
WrongHole wrote: »
You guys need to understand that EA class have a limit, so its doesnt matter how hard you try with slayer.

Huh?

If you're saying what I think you are, then yes, slayers indeed don't have a limit and that's the problem. Every other class has more build options due to either an easy-to-achieve crit cap (i.e. warriors) or by having a high attack power baseline (i.e. zerks). Slayers don't have either, so you have to keep pouring resources into increasing the crit rate just be able to keep up.

And by all means, please correct me if I'm wrong.

You're not getting my point dude, ill only say this and stop this [filtered] right here, go watch the moongourd records of ea class. now you get it? what i mean by EA CLASS HAS A LIMIT?
View post on Tera forums#38 SageWindu10/07/2017, 07:51 PM
WrongHole wrote: »
You're not getting my point dude, ill only say this and stop this [filtered] right here, go watch the moongourd records of ea class. now you get it? what i mean by EA CLASS HAS A LIMIT?

Did an elin gank you while you were gathering or something? Why are you suddenly so hostile?
View post on Tera forums#39 WrongHole10/07/2017, 08:27 PM
SageWindu wrote: »
WrongHole wrote: »
You're not getting my point dude, ill only say this and stop this [filtered] right here, go watch the moongourd records of ea class. now you get it? what i mean by EA CLASS HAS A LIMIT?

Did an elin gank you while you were gathering or something? Why are you suddenly so hostile?

im a little too SAVAGE my bad.
View post on Tera forums#40 Ardire10/07/2017, 08:40 PM
Obs wrote: »
Gunner, at least before their big buffs, was one of the hardest classes to master. I'm not sure about after the buff, but it should be similar.

im sorry but this is one of the funniest things ive ever heard
View post on Tera forums#41 ImJustBad10/07/2017, 08:45 PM
Ardire wrote: »
Obs wrote: »
Gunner, at least before their big buffs, was one of the hardest classes to master. I'm not sure about after the buff, but it should be similar.

im sorry but this is one of the funniest things ive ever heard

Read* / FTFY
View post on Tera forums#42 Ardire10/07/2017, 11:38 PM
ImJustBad wrote: »
Ardire wrote: »
Obs wrote: »
Gunner, at least before their big buffs, was one of the hardest classes to master. I'm not sure about after the buff, but it should be similar.

im sorry but this is one of the funniest things ive ever heard

Read* / FTFY

sorry idk what you said i couldn't hear you
View post on Tera forums#43 Ves197810/07/2017, 11:50 PM
ImJustBad wrote: »
Yoo guys, so i decided to go back to playing slayer.
I got motivation from this post to give it another shot.
I was crit quite often till i hit lvl 40 ish and i rarely see any crits.
Is this normal for Slayers? and will that change at 65 with gear?

your crits while leveling very much depend of gear. if you're not using avatar or using avatar but 3+ levels away from mobs you're fighting, you won't see much crits. at max level you should try to build as much as crit factor as you can. just don't roll crit factor on weapon.
View post on Tera forums#44 ImJustBad10/08/2017, 08:53 AM
Ves1978 wrote: »
ImJustBad wrote: »
Yoo guys, so i decided to go back to playing slayer.
I got motivation from this post to give it another shot.
I was crit quite often till i hit lvl 40 ish and i rarely see any crits.
Is this normal for Slayers? and will that change at 65 with gear?

your crits while leveling very much depend of gear. if you're not using avatar or using avatar but 3+ levels away from mobs you're fighting, you won't see much crits. at max level you should try to build as much as crit factor as you can. just don't roll crit factor on weapon.

yeah i just realized i wasnt using the avatar weapon. that was the problem. lol
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