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TERA PC - General Discussion: Pounding VS Forceful
Hi, I was wondering which one of these dyad I should use, i'm playing reaper with double crit set.
Imo anything over +250/60 Crit factor as a Reaper/Sorc/ W.e requires high '' + '' Crit factor
Should be Pounding, Anything under +250 Should be Forceful.

Lets say you're in HH, Forceful is useless due to the turning it may be useful late on in phases but Pounding is a garunteed dps increase since its just a DPS Increase on a monster, not a DPS Increase VIA Back crit.
xKalila wrote: »
Imo anything over +250/60 Crit factor as a Reaper/Sorc/ W.e requires high '' + '' Crit factor(Edit: Also Valkyries use pounding, though they are pure power build basically.)
Should be Pounding, Anything under +250 Should be Forceful.

Lets say you're in HH, Forceful is useless due to the turning it may be useful late on in phases but Pounding is a garunteed dps increase since its just a DPS Increase on a monster, not a DPS Increase VIA Back crit.

I think the higher crit factor you have means the less power you have, the less power you have means the more valuable the +20 power from forceful is. So if anything I think you got it backwards ;)
xKalila wrote: »
Imo anything over +250/60 Crit factor as a Reaper/Sorc/ W.e requires high '' + '' Crit factor(Edit: Also Valkyries use pounding, though they are pure power build basically.)
Should be Pounding, Anything under +250 Should be Forceful.

Lets say you're in HH, Forceful is useless due to the turning it may be useful late on in phases but Pounding is a garunteed dps increase since its just a DPS Increase on a monster, not a DPS Increase VIA Back crit.

forcelutness depend from crits for behind ( like biter and savage niveots ) and the crit factor and power dont afected in sames ways all clases,

in sorcer dont matters you have 50+290, sometimes you dont crit any shet, but is more usefull forceluntes ( pouding is for bosses who im cant hit for behind all time )

in berszeker forcefull is bad idea, same for valkirye and reapers ( since new class are no crit dependents )
XALKM7LAEA wrote: »
xKalila wrote: »
Imo anything over +250/60 Crit factor as a Reaper/Sorc/ W.e requires high '' + '' Crit factor(Edit: Also Valkyries use pounding, though they are pure power build basically.)
Should be Pounding, Anything under +250 Should be Forceful.

Lets say you're in HH, Forceful is useless due to the turning it may be useful late on in phases but Pounding is a garunteed dps increase since its just a DPS Increase on a monster, not a DPS Increase VIA Back crit.

I think the higher crit factor you have means the less power you have
That explains why most people say the more crit valk has the less effective it is :)
Tenshi1 wrote: »
XALKM7LAEA wrote: »
xKalila wrote: »
Imo anything over +250/60 Crit factor as a Reaper/Sorc/ W.e requires high '' + '' Crit factor(Edit: Also Valkyries use pounding, though they are pure power build basically.)
Should be Pounding, Anything under +250 Should be Forceful.

Lets say you're in HH, Forceful is useless due to the turning it may be useful late on in phases but Pounding is a garunteed dps increase since its just a DPS Increase on a monster, not a DPS Increase VIA Back crit.

I think the higher crit factor you have means the less power you have
That explains why most people say the more crit valk has the less effective it is :)

eseential mana guide say is base +60, but im use base +52 im dont cirt with a , moon skill ? xd
Tenshi1 wrote: »
XALKM7LAEA wrote: »
xKalila wrote: »
Imo anything over +250/60 Crit factor as a Reaper/Sorc/ W.e requires high '' + '' Crit factor(Edit: Also Valkyries use pounding, though they are pure power build basically.)
Should be Pounding, Anything under +250 Should be Forceful.

Lets say you're in HH, Forceful is useless due to the turning it may be useful late on in phases but Pounding is a garunteed dps increase since its just a DPS Increase on a monster, not a DPS Increase VIA Back crit.

I think the higher crit factor you have means the less power you have
That explains why most people say the more crit valk has the less effective it is :)

eseential mana guide say is base +60, but im use base +52 im dont cirt with a , moon skill ? xd

The only reason I ever have more crit than +31(Have no idea how I got that) is 'cause I always use battle solutions/bravery pots in dgs
Tenshi1 wrote: »
Tenshi1 wrote: »
XALKM7LAEA wrote: »
xKalila wrote: »
Imo anything over +250/60 Crit factor as a Reaper/Sorc/ W.e requires high '' + '' Crit factor(Edit: Also Valkyries use pounding, though they are pure power build basically.)
Should be Pounding, Anything under +250 Should be Forceful.

Lets say you're in HH, Forceful is useless due to the turning it may be useful late on in phases but Pounding is a garunteed dps increase since its just a DPS Increase on a monster, not a DPS Increase VIA Back crit.

I think the higher crit factor you have means the less power you have
That explains why most people say the more crit valk has the less effective it is :)

eseential mana guide say is base +60, but im use base +52 im dont cirt with a , moon skill ? xd

The only reason I ever have more crit than +31(Have no idea how I got that) is 'cause I always use battle solutions/bravery pots in dgs

is for rolls in jeweryes, gaunlets and if you use ken visrks , nostrum/potions dont gave crit stats, only power
TERA PC - General Discussion#9 Obs06/20/2017, 09:48 PM
DPS gain from Power change is:
(newtotalpower + 100)/(oldtotalpower + 100). Convert to %.

DPS gain from %damage change is:
(newtotal%dmg)/(oldtotal%dmg)

Forceful is 21-22 Power. GShout is 30% base power. Shakan is 25 Power. Estars is 48. Titanic Wrath is 40. Nostrum adds some too.

%damage comes from 6% lines, 6.9% behind lines, 9.3% enraged damage lines, 3% VM glove damage lines, and Pounding (8.1%-8.5%). Bravery/Canephora and Arush might also stack.

Do the math depending on your stats.

Your crit doesn't affect whether you use Pounding or Forceful.
TERA PC - General Discussion#10 Ves197806/20/2017, 10:49 PM
i tried both on my sorc and pounding was a better solution. honestly, imo, with your base power, rolls on jewlery and gear plus battle solution and buffs from healers i think that additional power you get from forceful crystal will mean less for your dps than 8.1% damage from pounding niveot (8.5% from dyad). again, this is just my opinion, not claiming that it's 100% true fact.
TERA PC - General Discussion#11 aeee9806/20/2017, 10:58 PM
With the powercreep in both gear and jewelry there is less reason to go Forceful over pounding to be really honest, at least in the PvE setting.
Obs wrote: »
DPS gain from Power change is:
(newtotalpower + 100)/(oldtotalpower + 100). Convert to %.

DPS gain from %damage change is:
(newtotal%dmg)/(oldtotal%dmg)

Forceful is 21-22 Power. GShout is 30% base power. Shakan is 25 Power. Estars is 48. Titanic Wrath is 40. Nostrum adds some too.

%damage comes from 6% lines, 6.9% behind lines, 9.3% enraged damage lines, 3% VM glove damage lines, and Pounding (8.1%-8.5%). Bravery/Canephora and Arush might also stack.

Do the math depending on your stats.

Your crit doesn't affect whether you use Pounding or Forceful.

you need hit crit behind for forcelutness aplyes .......................
Ves1978 wrote: »
i tried both on my sorc and pounding was a better solution. honestly, imo, with your base power, rolls on jewlery and gear plus battle solution and buffs from healers i think that additional power you get from forceful crystal will mean less for your dps than 8.1% damage from pounding niveot (8.5% from dyad). again, this is just my opinion, not claiming that it's 100% true fact.

in my case im see power is beter when you dont mixed crit/power

im have 50+288 crit factor and im tested doble broching tecnicque with quaterfoil + quickave + forcelutnes + pouding +nostrum ( because in dungeon you maybe have buff from priest or mistic auras )

the +30 power buff from quaterfoil broch gave you +500k damage for each shepere from arcane pulse ( under mana boost) and 1 m more from last hit in meteor strike

sad, crit glyp from meteor strike dont work like keen glyp in ligting strikes ( lighting strikes crits more often instead meteor )
pouding is more when you crit enough without craving niveot ( and you add buff power from priest and mistic )
TERA PC - General Discussion#14 Obs06/21/2017, 01:13 AM
Obs wrote: »
DPS gain from Power change is:
(newtotalpower + 100)/(oldtotalpower + 100). Convert to %.

DPS gain from %damage change is:
(newtotal%dmg)/(oldtotal%dmg)

Forceful is 21-22 Power. GShout is 30% base power. Shakan is 25 Power. Estars is 48. Titanic Wrath is 40. Nostrum adds some too.

%damage comes from 6% lines, 6.9% behind lines, 9.3% enraged damage lines, 3% VM glove damage lines, and Pounding (8.1%-8.5%). Bravery/Canephora and Arush might also stack.

Do the math depending on your stats.

Your crit doesn't affect whether you use Pounding or Forceful.

you need hit crit behind for forcelutness aplyes .......................

Every class should easily crit once every 10s.
Obs wrote: »
Obs wrote: »
DPS gain from Power change is:
(newtotalpower + 100)/(oldtotalpower + 100). Convert to %.

DPS gain from %damage change is:
(newtotal%dmg)/(oldtotal%dmg)

Forceful is 21-22 Power. GShout is 30% base power. Shakan is 25 Power. Estars is 48. Titanic Wrath is 40. Nostrum adds some too.

%damage comes from 6% lines, 6.9% behind lines, 9.3% enraged damage lines, 3% VM glove damage lines, and Pounding (8.1%-8.5%). Bravery/Canephora and Arush might also stack.

Do the math depending on your stats.

Your crit doesn't affect whether you use Pounding or Forceful.

you need hit crit behind for forcelutness aplyes .......................

Every class should easily crit once every 10s.

no all time, in dungeons you need do mecanics , and sometimes you lose the buff because sometimes you dont hit crit behind after buff ends.....................
TERA PC - General Discussion#16 Obs06/21/2017, 02:37 AM
Obs wrote: »
Obs wrote: »
DPS gain from Power change is:
(newtotalpower + 100)/(oldtotalpower + 100). Convert to %.

DPS gain from %damage change is:
(newtotal%dmg)/(oldtotal%dmg)

Forceful is 21-22 Power. GShout is 30% base power. Shakan is 25 Power. Estars is 48. Titanic Wrath is 40. Nostrum adds some too.

%damage comes from 6% lines, 6.9% behind lines, 9.3% enraged damage lines, 3% VM glove damage lines, and Pounding (8.1%-8.5%). Bravery/Canephora and Arush might also stack.

Do the math depending on your stats.

Your crit doesn't affect whether you use Pounding or Forceful.

you need hit crit behind for forcelutness aplyes .......................

Every class should easily crit once every 10s.

no all time, in dungeons you need do mecanics , and sometimes you lose the buff because sometimes you dont hit crit behind after buff ends.....................

It is valid that Forceful doesn't apply to the hit that applies the buff, but if you're not critting it won't do any damage anyway so that doesn't matter.

Still, the DPS gain is assuming you're hitting a sandbag and theorycrafting things like gear should almost always be based around sandbags since bosses are always different.
TERA PC - General Discussion#17 Aryd07/11/2019, 02:47 AM
I've been having this internal debate about this very subject for forever. Pounding adds a flat 8.5% damage, while Forceful gives you 22 Power. Now, how does this stack with your other stats, because if what I've been led to believe about Power is true (1 power = 1% damage) then how is this a contest for DPS classes? Back critting isn't hard for any class, ever, regardless of your opinions, you simply hit the boss from behind like you're supposed to be doing in the first place. Now if there's some sort of wonky math behind this Power gain vs 8.5% damage, then please enlighten me.
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