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General Discussion: Noctenium Infusion Supply
View post on Tera forums#1 toufu06/19/2017, 06:21 AM
Is nobody having noctenium supply issue at the moment?

I've talked to a bunch of friends of mine who actively does end game content, all of us have come to an agreement that noctenium infusions are depleting very quickly. At the moment VSHM yields almost no profit and fights can get pretty long ,which uses up a lot of nocteniums.

Harrowhold is soon to come, and it will require lots of noctenium infusions.

I think we need an event similar to tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/mongos-raid-potion-shack-catalysts-missing EXCLUDING the catalysts but instead, drops noctenium,strong canephora,strong bravery,etc (i've known ppl who missed the chance to farm their strong bravery/canephora too)
to my memory this event was hardly abused, and it requires actual effort searching for mongo to earn your rewards.

View post on Tera forums#2 Partyblast06/19/2017, 06:39 AM
See: Multiple threads and posts about lack of Noctenium Infusions, VSHM's lack of profit and the few people who literally say on every post that has to do with endgame content that we all just want "hand-outs"
View post on Tera forums#3 canikizu06/19/2017, 06:54 AM
As lancer, I spent at least 150 noctenium on ONE boss using ONE skill Spring Attack in VSHM, let alone other skills. It's super normal right now that people spend up to 1k noct (which is around 2k gold) on top of other consumables (rootbeer, healthpot, manapot, etc). So right now, a VSHM run cost upward 3k gold per run, and we got nothing back to make money (designs are super rare to get, VM mats isn't bottleneck and are useless if you already have gear).

It's good if we can get an event to supply the players with more noctenium, such as mongo event. However I feel like there should be a more stable way to let player farm noctenium, such as normal drop in dungeon, or exchange from token (ace dungeon token, iod token, etc). To prevent the market abuse, the reward can just be untradable noctenium, such as Alliance Noctenium Infusion of Friendly Noctenium Infusion.
View post on Tera forums#4 ElinUsagi06/19/2017, 07:02 AM
@canikizu

Its good to see someone who ask for some ways to get nocteriums putting some effort to get enought supply for their demand.

Pit of Petax and some Mid tier dungeons gives few nocs but as you stated is needed more ways to get them without them being handed without effort at all.

Sound quite interesting to be able to use IoD tokens and ACE shop to obtain them (tradeable version), maybe even put nocs at vanguard merchants could be also an option.

But I don't think we need a mongo like event for nocs only because some players don't want to do anything but HM dungeons.
View post on Tera forums#5 toufu06/19/2017, 07:20 AM
I am aware that we've have more than enough "hand-out" events, its something i dislike as well.

I personally picked that event because it actually requires effort, players searching for the mongo itself,a break from dungeon spam and the loots arent shared via parcel in which i think it is something that is less likely to be exploited.

There was BAM event in it too but i hope that gets EXCLUDED because that is just exploitable with ppl afking and multiboxing and causing alot of lags to the servers with the BAM spam.

View post on Tera forums#6 Grimoir06/19/2017, 07:23 AM
There are several ways to obtain noctenium tho:

1. Vanguard quests
2. Pit of Petrax
3. Drops from Hard Dungeons (doesnt VSHM drop them?) i know HH20 will drop them.

In all honesty i dont spend as much of it since i do not use it for every little thing in the game. I dont use it for Vanguard bams, pit of petrax and the easy dungeons, since there is no point. Start saving them instead of mindlessly using them up and you will have more than needed.
View post on Tera forums#7 ElinUsagi06/19/2017, 07:33 AM
@toufu

I believe if given a good reason, Vanguard Credits could become the way to obtain lots of things for most players. If you look at the current state of the Vanguard Shops you will see many things that I am pretty sure no one buys from them. Those could be replaced for new items like nocteriums at a small amount (5 vg credits per noc sounds good to me).

If you take into account all the ways to get nocs and add a new way to obtain them you should keep thinking in ways to not overflow the market with them at a point were it would be most profitable to sell it to a merchant than trading them with another player.

I think EME and BHS could replace cruxes from mwa boxes and add nocs in stocks of 15-30-45.

I am sure that if people come togheter with a good way to get nocs in-game without relying in events EME could look into it and try to apeal for them.
View post on Tera forums#8 LesbianVi06/19/2017, 07:55 AM
You need more, then buy them with gold. That gold is not just there to buy pantsu.

I sold 30K Noct last 2 weeks, and I have around 10K right now. and I didn't include the bam event with Noct boxes. 3 players, which are dedicated hard core dg runners on CH each bought 10K each, 15-16K.
View post on Tera forums#9 toufu06/19/2017, 07:55 AM
*sigh* retyping this comment from scratch, because apparently i got a message of my post needs to be approved before it will be shown to public

@Grimoir
A average VSHM run would cost any player from 400-800nocteniums depending on class in a 20-30m run.
Each boss should be around 200-400 nocteniums not amounting resets and wipes and with everybody well geared with VM8 or 9

Noctenium Returns from Vanguard.
Pit of Petrax - 75-140 noct (35x2 non-elite) or (35x4 elite)
VSHM - 280 noct
VSNM - 170 noct
VHHM - 170 noct
DFHM - 170 noct
TSNM - 170 noct
VHNM - 70 noct
BRNM - 70 noct

So with this list in mind, i could run the low level dungeon without nocteniums in hope for farming nocteniums slowly, about 3-5 VSNM to make up for 1 VSHM run.

outside of VSHM( to make up for this non profit runs) i do runs like VSNM/TSNM/IoD/Ace on about 8 toons daily and i still think noctenium supply is and issue, and the only place i use it is in VSHM for now and we have a Harrowhold coming in soon.

@ElinUsagi
Yeah i really hope they would consider that as well.
View post on Tera forums#10 Akthanakos06/19/2017, 08:05 AM
LesbianVi wrote: »
You need more, then buy them with gold. That gold is not just there to buy pantsu.

I sold 30K Noct last 2 weeks, and I have around 10K right now. and I didn't include the bam event with Noct boxes. 3 players, which are dedicated hard core dg runners on CH each bought 10K each, 15-16K.

Do you even play this game? We dont want to waste more time doing OTHER dungs to resupply ourselves from the consumables spent on VSHM. We want VSHM to at least pay itself, is it that that hard to undertstand or that unreasonable to ask?
View post on Tera forums#11 ElinUsagi06/19/2017, 08:15 AM
Akthanakos wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
You need more, then buy them with gold. That gold is not just there to buy pantsu.

I sold 30K Noct last 2 weeks, and I have around 10K right now. and I didn't include the bam event with Noct boxes. 3 players, which are dedicated hard core dg runners on CH each bought 10K each, 15-16K.

Do you even play this game? We dont want to waste more time doing OTHER dungs to resupply ourselves from the consumables spent on VSHM. We want VSHM to at least pay itself, is it that that hard to undertstand? Is that unreasonable to ask taking into account IT IS the current top dungeon?

VSHM pay itself in a mid time term, you get the best mats to craft the best gear and that gear can be sold at 500k without etchings per piece.

How skillfull are you to get the mats and make profit from them is another matter.

Even if you don't acknowlege it, if you need more consumables to finish faster a run is quite logical to work for them from other dungeons or game content.

I agree with those people who wants more ways to get extra nocs but I don't agree with people that says VSHM is not profitable enought in the current state the game is.
View post on Tera forums#12 Ardire06/19/2017, 08:18 AM
tfw it costs you money outta your own pocket to even run content in this game O.o

i agree there is a shortage... and you can buy it but a) not enough reasonably priced supply, and b) why would i want to drop even more gold so i can run a dungeon that won't make me any sort of profit at all?

doesn't make any sense. for time + money + skill = ????

it's funny too cause it's because of things like that that you have people asking for events all the time and "hand-outs" because actually playing the game and running the hardest content gets you nothing! unless you're a lucky [filtered] with recipe drop rng. you just feel cheated and unfulfilled.
View post on Tera forums#13 Akthanakos06/19/2017, 08:27 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Akthanakos wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
You need more, then buy them with gold. That gold is not just there to buy pantsu.

I sold 30K Noct last 2 weeks, and I have around 10K right now. and I didn't include the bam event with Noct boxes. 3 players, which are dedicated hard core dg runners on CH each bought 10K each, 15-16K.

Do you even play this game? We dont want to waste more time doing OTHER dungs to resupply ourselves from the consumables spent on VSHM. We want VSHM to at least pay itself, is it that that hard to undertstand? Is that unreasonable to ask taking into account IT IS the current top dungeon?

VSHM pay itself in a mid time term, you get the best mats to craft the best gear and that gear can be sold at 500k without etchings per piece.

How skillfull are you to get the mats and make profit from them is another matter.

Even if you don't acknowlege it, if you need more consumables to finish faster a run is quite logical to work for them from other dungeons or game content.

I agree with those people who wants more ways to get extra nocs but I don't agree with people that says VSHM is not profitable enought in the current state the game is.

Funny you say that, you speak as if crafting the best gear and selling it afterwards is a thing when in reality nobody does that. They just want to gear for themself, so they can use it to clear the dungeons more effeciently( crazy right?). Now, lets see you claim that noctenium is "optional", then i ask you to you get in a party for vshm and tell the straightaway that«you won't use noctenium to save cash, try to guess what happens next? Even if they are dumb enough to no kick you from that party, i bet you and your party will be dying alot to "extra" mechanics that wouldn't happen if you had that extra burn.

So TLDR; we are talking out of experience and empirical testing, so if you want to contribute to this thread and community, dont come here spouting missinformation and nonsense, when you dont know or have proof for backing up what your talking about.
View post on Tera forums#14 Akthanakos06/19/2017, 08:31 AM
@ElinUsagi Funny you say that, you speak as if crafting the best gear and selling it afterwards is a thing when in reality nobody does that. They just want to gear for themself, so they can use it to clear the dungeons more effeciently( crazy right?). Now, lets see you claim that noctenium is "optional", then i ask you to you get in a party for vshm and tell the straightaway that you won't be using noctenium to save cash, try to guess what happens next? Even if they are dumb enough to no kick you from that party, i bet you and your party will be dying alot to "extra" mechanics that wouldn't happen if you had that extra burn.

So TLDR; we are talking out of experience and empirical testing, so if you want to contribute to this thread and community, dont come here spouting missinformation and nonsense, when you dont know or have proof for backing up what your talking about.
View post on Tera forums#15 ElinUsagi06/19/2017, 08:37 AM
Akthanakos wrote: »
@ElinUsagi Funny you say that, you speak as if crafting the best gear and selling it afterwards is a thing when in reality nobody does that. They just want to gear for themself, so they can use it to clear the dungeons more effeciently( crazy right?). Now, lets see you claim that noctenium is "optional", then i ask you to you get in a party for vshm and tell the straightaway that you won't be using noctenium to save cash, try to guess what happens next? Even if they are dumb enough to no kick you from that party, i bet you and your party will be dying alot to "extra" mechanics that wouldn't happen if you had that extra burn.

So TLDR; we are talking out of experience and empirical testing, so if you want to contribute to this thread and community, dont come here spouting missinformation and nonsense, when you dont know or have proof for backing up what you're talking about.

Is people like you who gets these kind of threads being useless as you only make it a rant and you are not even contibuting with ideas for nocs supply.

Funny right?
View post on Tera forums#16 toufu06/19/2017, 08:42 AM
@LesbianVi , here is my experience or insight.
I dont excessively spend on my toon and racechange/app change over some aethestic reason.

So before VSHM came, i have about 50,000 + noctenium infusion and 7k noctenium boxes
its barely week ONE or TWO since VSHM release, i am having about 90 total clears from all my toons, i 've already burnt at least 50k nocteniums that i've saved up, and i have never seen any weapon design. VSHM doesnt drop lakan boxes to re-sell.

got lucky with designs from TSNM ,but they go into my friends /guildies pocket. in hope to make runs smoother/faster for our VSHM runs; aka end game for now.

i have to run so much IoD/ace/other dungeon to make up the cost i've spent on VSHM, Designs are really rare and costly, a VM9 weapon atm would cost around 1m+ at the moment

I would assume HH is gonna come in a month or so, if i keep this VSHM farming up i would have NO nocteniums left, i have enough money to wipe the current broker but it will greatly raise the cost of noctenium infusion and it will STILL be a problem and making things worse.

atm i dont even feel like doing VSHM at all because the noctenium is getting scarce and expensive. its alot of time and grind just to make up the money i've lost. even if i do have full VM9 i probably wouldnt want to be bothered with running VSHM because it is so expensive already and no reason to run because i already all the mats i need minus the design.

tldr if some sort of steady or decent source of noctenium infusion can be implemented, it will keep player to be interested in playing and be ready until HH comes out.
View post on Tera forums#17 jongbae06/19/2017, 08:44 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »

Is people like you who gets these kind of threads being useless as you only make it a rant and you are not even contibuting with ideas for nocs supply.

Funny right?
Considering your comment about "crafting the gear and sell it for 500k" I don't think that's even an option.

I do agree there should be another way to get noctenium. As someone else said, maybe trade some boxes for IoD tokens or vanguard. The only reason why some players don't really say much it's because: 1. They don't do end game content, 2. We had some nocts from DSU farm before.

As Toufu said, we use more nocts than we get rewarded from a clear (not even 50% and I play slayer, a class that barely uses noct).

@Grimoir - They are saying, they only use noctenium for VSHM. I'm 100% sure no one uses noctenium in IoD or mid tier dungeons.
View post on Tera forums#18 Akthanakos06/19/2017, 08:47 AM
@ElinUsagi Consider this my last reply to you on this matter because i dont want to derail the thread, i gave my opinion based on experience while you just came here spreading missinformation, also the solution is increasing the amount of nocs given as reward from completing VSHM, that goes without saying.
View post on Tera forums#19 jongbae06/19/2017, 08:48 AM
canikizu wrote: »
However I feel like there should be a more stable way to let player farm noctenium, such as normal drop in dungeon, or exchange from token (ace dungeon token, iod token, etc). To prevent the market abuse, the reward can just be untradable noctenium, such as Alliance Noctenium Infusion of Friendly Noctenium Infusion.
THIS NEEDS A THUMBS UP PLEASE.
View post on Tera forums#20 ElinUsagi06/19/2017, 08:49 AM
Akthanakos wrote: »
@ElinUsagi Consider this my last reply to you on this matter because i dont want to derail the thread, i gave my opinion based on experience while you just came here spreading missinformation, also the solution is increasing the amount of nocs given as reward from completing VSHM, that goes without saying.

Nope, you came here to insult 2 forum users and even you didnt make a serious contribution.

Your posts haves been so far only a rant.
View post on Tera forums#21 Grimoir06/19/2017, 09:27 AM
@toufu @jongbae

Well i mean noct is nice and all and gives nice effects but imo people got too dependant on it. It was introduced with alliance. Before that people cleared dungeons fine without noct and i am pretty sure they can do it now aswel.

I see noct as a conveniance item honestly. Its good to have but the game wont break without it.

On a note: Maybe just add the noctenium effect to the Prime battle Solution. Thats should solve it, and change noct rewards for something else something usefull.
View post on Tera forums#22 LesbianVi06/19/2017, 09:59 AM
Akthanakos wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
You need more, then buy them with gold. That gold is not just there to buy pantsu.

I sold 30K Noct last 2 weeks, and I have around 10K right now. and I didn't include the bam event with Noct boxes. 3 players, which are dedicated hard core dg runners on CH each bought 10K each, 15-16K.

Do you even play this game? We dont want to waste more time doing OTHER dungs to resupply ourselves from the consumables spent on VSHM. We want VSHM to at least pay itself, is it that that hard to undertstand? Is that unreasonable to ask taking into account IT IS the current top dungeon? Have you ever heard of risk/reward?

do you even play this game? Can you make gold? Can you make 3K each day? that can be 1.5K Noct added to your daily Noct from broker.

Learn to play this game instead of making threads to get things. Play the game, earn stuff, you make threads to get stuff and then you say I even play the game? You can't supply yourself Noct and You tell me if I am even playing the game?
View post on Tera forums#23 LesbianVi06/19/2017, 10:07 AM
jongbae wrote: »
canikizu wrote: »
However I feel like there should be a more stable way to let player farm noctenium, such as normal drop in dungeon, or exchange from token (ace dungeon token, iod token, etc). To prevent the market abuse, the reward can just be untradable noctenium, such as Alliance Noctenium Infusion of Friendly Noctenium Infusion.
THIS NEEDS A THUMBS UP PLEASE.

Don't we have enough stable ways? Noct boxes from events, soon Sun Festival for example/bam events, POP which takes 5-8 mins to run (30-50 each run), VG quests reward them, BROKER and BROKER and BROKER.

people just don't wanna spend their golds, You know the meaning of Supply and Demand? I give you an example, There is 1 designs for VM9 warrior weapon and there are 20 warriors that needs it. They can't get the designs anymore, because 2 warriors just got them, so 18 players needs design, 2 things they can do, run and run till they get one or wait and wait till one of those 2 warriors make another VM weapon and sell it.

But when there are pages of Noct on broker and it is a lot, Does Supply and Demand and shortage apply here? Nope, just don't want to spend the gold. So lets make a thread and ask for it.
View post on Tera forums#24 66ECX7NAN706/19/2017, 10:28 AM
Using noctenium is optional. If you're trying to profit by doing VSHM, do it without noctenium. If you make consumables so abundant that they can be used all the time without problems, then there is no point in having consumables.
View post on Tera forums#25 Shishao06/19/2017, 10:29 AM
LesbianVi wrote: »
jongbae wrote: »
canikizu wrote: »
However I feel like there should be a more stable way to let player farm noctenium, such as normal drop in dungeon, or exchange from token (ace dungeon token, iod token, etc). To prevent the market abuse, the reward can just be untradable noctenium, such as Alliance Noctenium Infusion of Friendly Noctenium Infusion.
THIS NEEDS A THUMBS UP PLEASE.

Don't we have enough stable ways? Noct boxes from events, soon Sun Festival for example/bam events, POP which takes 5-8 mins to run (30-50 each run), VG quests reward them, BROKER and BROKER and BROKER.

people just don't wanna spend their golds, You know the meaning of Supply and Demand? I give you an example, There is 1 designs for VM9 warrior weapon and there are 20 warriors that needs it. They can't get the designs anymore, because 2 warriors just got them, so 18 players needs design, 2 things they can do, run and run till they get one or wait and wait till one of those 2 warriors make another VM weapon and sell it.

But when there are pages of Noct on broker and it is a lot, Does Supply and Demand and shortage apply here? Nope, just don't want to spend the gold. So lets make a thread and ask for it.

Uh yeah broker, but prices has been rising for a while now, where do they restock and sell in such quantities?
View post on Tera forums#26 toufu06/19/2017, 10:46 AM
@Grimoir
When i first join Tera, around TSHM patch noctenium was already an almost must-thing and it is understandable, because it boosts your damage, allows dungeon to be cleared faster and possibly skipping mechanics reduces time spent in dungeon. Which also means spending less time per boss meaning less room for mistakes and possibly wipes. VSHM 's imperator cage can one shot you even if you do it right, i am not sure if you are aware of that. ( if you get unlucky rng crits everybody who have 1-2 debuff stacks) prepare for reset, if your healer is outta self ress and if your total party have low dps, more cages are gonna happen.

If it is really gonna be going back to not using noctenium at all, then i think the implementation of noctenium should not even be here in the first place.

@LesbianVi Is it okay to answer these questions?

1.Have you cleared VSNM?
2. Have you cleared VSHM?
3. are the toons u use to do VSHM geared in misery, VM7,VM8, VM8.5 or VM9?
4. how many nocteniums do u use for VSHM per boss
5. what other consumables do u use during VSHM? (bulgogi, prime replenishment,recovery, 50% health pot, sarberry, divine infusion)
6. what other dungeons do u do besides VSHM, and long does it take for you to clear the dungeon or ?? minutes per boss , inclusive of maybe wipes and resets or clean runs
7. how many total runs do u have on VSHM from all of your toons
8. Do you use noctenium infusions at all?
9. Have you done any harrowhold?
10. Have you tried doing harrowhold without nocteniums?

And atm there is almost no incentive to grind VSHM after you are done with materials, which i already am. I love doing end game content and keep doing it to test my skills and improve myself.

@66ECX7NAN doing VSHM without noctenium is totally viable but at what cost?the mechanics can be punishing, runs wil be slower and you might end up spending more OTHER consumables than you trying to save noctenium ,more hp% pot used, goddes blessing, resets. Anybody would know that first 2bosses wants to be cleared as soon as possible thus we want to use nocteniums. Lakan is probably the easiest among the bosses in VSHM which i wouldn't want to be too worried about, but if a healer fails to sleep the boss at the wrong timing = party wipe.

If i want to farm or save nocteniums, i rather use my alts to do iod /ace and use those profits/tokens to sell to buy nocteniums off broker but it is still not gonna be enough.
View post on Tera forums#27 Grimoir06/19/2017, 11:21 AM
@toufu

Never has noctenium been a must in TSHM, not even SCHM, cause my parties did it perfectly fine without it. Even more of the HM dungeons were doable without it. So saying it is a absolute requirement is not true.

As for the clear times / mechanics - If your group is good they should have no problems with them, mistakes can happen and there is more room for error, but a DPS race to deal tons of damage to skip mechanics is not a thing to measure skill upon.
As for the imperator cage - arent they changing it to be iframable soon? At least thats what i recall from Ktera changes.

Noctenium was just a stupid way to level damage in the game for PVP and PVE, imo it shouldnt been implemented to begin with.
View post on Tera forums#28 NemisBrawler06/19/2017, 11:28 AM
if u need nocteniums and dont want to spend time farming gold / other dgs for it then just BUY it from broker.
is simple as that. if u can afford consumables like lamb / rootbeer i dont see why u cant afford nocteniums.
in the last month the anniversary event gave sht tons of stuffs which u could sell it for gold. and i dont think the noc is higher than 2g ea.
and as far as i know, in vshm drops etching boxes + goddess gemstones.. enough to refund the gold u've spent there.
i personally bought 50k noc in the last week cuz i didnt want to farm dgs for it. and if u say u dont have gold?
pls, u have a lot of ways to get gold. buy emp, play dg, play bg, do crafting, do rally. do CU..... pfff. if u're lazy af and dont do anything then ofc u will lack gold, but if u're doing it then why are u complaining about it. work done, gold got. 1 box from CU/Rally is enough for all the noc u need in this life... so. smh about ur post.
View post on Tera forums#29 Kanane06/19/2017, 11:29 AM
As for the imperator cage - arent they changing it to be iframable soon? At least thats what i recall from Ktera changes.
Already iframeable, but you can do that when you have debuff stacks which is when the bug happens.

Anyway I burned around 20k noct since this patch started (means I am -20k from where I started including the nocts I got since then) before VSHM used it in VSNM sometime in VHHM as well. Now only in VSHM.
View post on Tera forums#30 toufu06/19/2017, 11:35 AM
@Grimoir
That is true partially, but can that be said the same for harrowhold? and certain bosses has dps check, it is break or casualty, or more time spent per boss and other consumabels which will eventually cost more than one trying to save noctenium.

@NemisBrawler
I still have a good amount of noctenium in supply ,and i play a shittones of dungeon and doing alot of a DAI@Grimoir almost spending average 2-6 hours per day in Tera, you call that lazy? im earning around 32k gold per day not including the cost covered to spend on VSHM did you even read my previous posts on how many toons i do dungeons and solo vanguard? I can wipe the trade broker right now of nocteniums, but it wont even satisfy my entire month of VSHM spam, and you will need ALOT of nocteniums in Harrowhold. That is me alone and there are more people who are finding nocteniums supply a problem.
View post on Tera forums#31 feazeshero06/19/2017, 12:40 PM
I remember investing into about 100k noctenium when it was like 70 silver each at the time before alliance was removed but hek that wasn't enough at all. That price was so good but right now the prices are like 2G-3G each avg. When it was 70 Silver each, I should've bought a lot more. I thought it would last me at least 6-8 months but it went real low around the 3rd or 4th month lol.

As lancer main, this class uses a lot of nocts lol. Most times I find myself using around 500-1000 nocts per run depending on how long the runs are. I know we can play without noct, but I always need it as a tank, especially when I am maximizing my efficiency with skilled groups. People also use it so it's faster runs and sometimes it can be a difference between breaking or failing at a shield break or really close clear or wipe. When harrowhold comes back, noctenium is a super must since there are some real important shield checks and other things.

While there are ways to farm noctenium, you'd have to grind for weeks just to save up a decent amount. For most, that is actually not good and takes too long. What I have been doing is at times if I see a good deal on broker, I usually buy some in bulk. The problem is that by doing this I don't get anything back in return. I know we can make gold in other ways to combat that but I think what some don't understand is that there is no efficient way to farm noctenium effectively, which has caused prices for noctenium to be higher because of supply and demand. Recent temporary events help with noctenium but that's more like a bandaid.
View post on Tera forums#32 Palomina06/19/2017, 12:41 PM
toufu wrote: »
i can totally save up alot of money by constantly spamming solo/iod/or other low tier dungeon. But is this really what most players do? i dont think so.

But.. I have no other options :(
Would it be worth investing into those noct potions from the vanguard merchant?
View post on Tera forums#34 toufu06/19/2017, 12:52 PM
@KarmaTheAlligator
Are you talking about the Uncommon Noctenium refiner, 700vg?
that would be 400 nocteniums + 700vg (for the uncommon noctenium refiner) = 10minutes of Uncommon Noctenium (aka blue noc)

An average boss fight is, 5-7minutes iirc, so you would need at least 2 Refined noctenium to run a complete dungeon. (800noctenium+ 1400vg)
And effect stays while you are moving, cant turn it off. might be do-able if everybody have VM9 however. But normal Noctenium would stil be more cost effective.
@toufu Yeah, I thought as much. Pity.
View post on Tera forums#36 Grimoir06/19/2017, 01:06 PM
@toufu

Harrowhold if you make the party right and distribute the parties right you can pass any dps check without noctenium. (given gear plays a factor). I mean getting misery is easy, and there are a lot of proper guides there so everyone should be able to pull of at least good dps.(reality sometimes begs to differ tho).

View post on Tera forums#37 Pixelator06/19/2017, 01:11 PM
If you got VSHM on farm-mode, you shouldn't even need to use noctenium except for maybe parse runs. Noctenium is not very cost efficient of a power boost. It averages out to around a 5% boost for most skills. So you're burning all that gold to shave 1 minute off a 20 minute run.
View post on Tera forums#38 Shishao06/19/2017, 01:25 PM
Grimoir wrote: »
@toufu

Harrowhold if you make the party right and distribute the parties right you can pass any dps check without noctenium. (given gear plays a factor). I mean getting misery is easy, and there are a lot of proper guides there so everyone should be able to pull of at least good dps.(reality sometimes begs to differ tho).

I think you never ran HH on the NA servers or you wouldn't say that :mrgreen:

Reality:
Ktera got talents, every other region got consumables or even longer blue nocteniums handed out to them.
NA got lagging servers and bad consumables.

During HH even strong bravery wasn't a thing at the beginning. You couldn't clear with Guile at that time because noone would take you (except healers). And later we got a buff that applied in HH (power and endurance) so we can match the difficulty?

O.o you really live in a dream if you think anyone can even enter HH20 with misery equipment as a dps or even a tank in the first month
or worse misery using no noctenium
View post on Tera forums#39 Akthanakos06/19/2017, 01:39 PM
Shishao wrote: »
Grimoir wrote: »
@toufu

Harrowhold if you make the party right and distribute the parties right you can pass any dps check without noctenium. (given gear plays a factor). I mean getting misery is easy, and there are a lot of proper guides there so everyone should be able to pull of at least good dps.(reality sometimes begs to differ tho).

I think you never ran HH on the NA servers or you wouldn't say that :mrgreen:

Ikr, LOL. I wish there was some special subforum for hardcore players where people could only post if they had met a certain requirement like skilled in all dungeons for example, there is alot of games out there that do this. It might seem rude for casuals, but honestly they have no right to participate in a discussion where they aren't knowledgeable of. Like in real life, if you're not an expert on lets say sport/politicts then your opinion is pretty much useless. This is why BHS and alot of games devs out there seek the hardcore players opinion to discuss/test/decide aspects of the game, because they know if they listen to every casual they are doomed, simply because casuals doesnt have a full understanding of the game.
View post on Tera forums#40 Akthanakos06/19/2017, 01:48 PM
Ikr, LOL. I wish there was some special subforum for hardcore players where people could only post if they had met a certain requirement like skilled in all dungeons for example, there is alot of games out there that do this. It might seem rude for casuals, but honestly they have no right to participate in a discussion where they aren't knowledgeable of. Like in real life, if you're not an expert on lets say sport/politicts then your opinion is pretty much useless, hence why you only see experts or knowledgable people talking about such subjects on newpappers/television/magazines etc.

This is why BHS and alot of games devs out there seek the hardcore players opinion to discuss/test/decide aspects of the game, because they know if they were listen to casual they would be doomed, simply because casuals don't have a full understanding of the game.

So please, i ask kindly that people who havent cleared VSHM refrain from posting on this thread. We're here to simply rise this to the attention of EME because it is a real problem for people who actually run this dungeon, we're not here to seek your aproval or make pointless discussion/bickery with casuals.
View post on Tera forums#41 LesbianVi06/19/2017, 02:04 PM
Akthanakos wrote: »
Ikr, LOL. I wish there was some special subforum for hardcore players where people could only post if they had met a certain requirement like skilled in all dungeons for example, there is alot of games out there that do this. It might seem rude for casuals, but honestly they have no right to participate in a discussion where they aren't knowledgeable of. Like in real life, if you're not an expert on lets say sport/politicts then your opinion is pretty much useless, hence why you only see experts or knowledgable people talking about such subjects on newpappers/television/magazines etc.

This is why BHS and alot of games devs out there seek the hardcore players opinion to discuss/test/decide aspects of the game, because they know if they were listen to casual they would be doomed, simply because casuals doesnt have a full understanding of the game.

So please, i ask kindly that people who havent cleared VSHM refrain from posting on this thread. We're here to simply rise this to the attention of EME because it is a real problem for people who actually run this dungeon, we're not here to seek your aproval or make pointless discussion/bickery with casuals.

if you were so good at this game, you wouldn't be crying this hard over this. and also in like 10 days, you can salvage and have a lotta Noct boxes with Sun Festival. If you were really playing, you would know.

Also Noct is not necessary to run anything? You already have Bravery and battle, what that does Noct? Extra DPS, so it is not necessity but a luxury. Even during Alliance days it was sold around 1G each, now it is a bit higher not much. Real hard core players are buying their needed noct, they don't ask it on the forums.

If we weren't going to have Sun Festival which is a very easy and good source for Noct, I wouldn't oppose this much. But many gather around like 100K noct from Sun festival. Learn from them.
View post on Tera forums#42 toufu06/19/2017, 02:08 PM
@Grimoir .. sorry i cant reply to you, my brain hurts... and whomever who have over 30/50/100 + harrowhold clear runs is gonna .. feel my pain, thats just not gonna work. and 20man harrowhold is even more punishing , because it takes 1 death and its almost a guaranteed wipe.

@pixelator all the noct does not just cut 1minute from the dungeon, its way more than that, if you play the class right, burning through bosses at the right time and skipping mech it saves a hella lot of time. mechanic takes up time and

@LesbianIV
Can you answer my question in my previous post ,and yes @akthanakos is very good at this game. He has NO money issue and does lots of smart trade brokering and is constantly doing end game content. But as long as anybody who does end game content willl understand the point of my thread.
@LesbianVi Until you have skilled experience at the end game dungeons, you don't have an opinion about anything about them
View post on Tera forums#44 ElinUsagi06/19/2017, 04:23 PM
@toufu

One more thing that could help several players about their nocterium suplies issue would be for blue noc efects to last 5 more minutes.

I know I am dreaming but another way to make nocs easier to get would be to add the mats needed from a gathering source and make them from crafting profesions.

It's such a waste how BHS removed that source to repenish nocteriums from game.
View post on Tera forums#45 Haggard8606/19/2017, 04:33 PM
I would be ok with an option to spend iod tokens on noctenium. As of now, the only thing I spend them on is lakan scales, so if I had the option to get nocts I would, it's less gold income for me but it's less gold I have to spend so it would balance out. I would use the blue noctenium too if the refiner didn't cost as much vanguard creds.
View post on Tera forums#46 Jenieve06/19/2017, 04:39 PM
Lets make this clear everyone.

If you do not use consumables in VSHM the runs are an hour long and if the runs are 40-60minutes you do not have time to run any other dungeons since youve spent 4 hours in 1 dungeon. Now lets say you are using consumables and your runs are 25minutes average 4 runs is about 1.5-2 hours and yove spent aprox 5k noc + misc consumables.

You would have to run another 12 + runs of TS to recover your losses (about *3 hours* assuming u go back to back as fast as possible) That is NOT REASONABLE.
View post on Tera forums#47 Lifegiver0006/19/2017, 04:47 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
Akthanakos wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
You need more, then buy them with gold. That gold is not just there to buy pantsu.

I sold 30K Noct last 2 weeks, and I have around 10K right now. and I didn't include the bam event with Noct boxes. 3 players, which are dedicated hard core dg runners on CH each bought 10K each, 15-16K.

Do you even play this game? We dont want to waste more time doing OTHER dungs to resupply ourselves from the consumables spent on VSHM. We want VSHM to at least pay itself, is it that that hard to undertstand? Is that unreasonable to ask taking into account IT IS the current top dungeon? Have you ever heard of risk/reward?

do you even play this game? Can you make gold? Can you make 3K each day? that can be 1.5K Noct added to your daily Noct from broker.

Learn to play this game instead of making threads to get things. Play the game, earn stuff, you make threads to get stuff and then you say I even play the game? You can't supply yourself Noct and You tell me if I am even playing the game?

You are literally one of the most disgusting people on these forums. Were you not the person who posted about more rewards for IoD when it was already a handout?
Since we are getting there and hunt them to have something extra, would be nice in this time we get more reward points, because we all know it is a long, boring process normally, would be nice to have x1.5 or x2 reward points during event while we do those bams, just suggestion, no pressure. thanks for the event anyway.

It's just so funny to me how you dance in your pool of ignorance and hypocrisy. Take a step back from the forums. You really offer nothing of use here.
View post on Tera forums#48 toufu06/19/2017, 04:55 PM
@Jenieve *SMASHING THE LIKE BUTTON*

@ElinUsagi they have something of similar but also comes with increase cost of nocteniums :<
http://dakotera.tumblr.com/post/158998251911/ktera-330-patch-note
Item
Increased Refined Noctenium [Uncommon] effect duration from 10 min to 15 min
Increased number of Noctenium needed for Noctenium Refiner [Uncommon] from 400 to 500.
I think noctenium was initially meant for PVP, alliance and all you know, and back then it wasn't hard at all to farm or even craft.
It gives mainly PVP buffs, the skill dmg increase is barely considerable, so I don't really know why you need such a small buff in PVE that much to run your content. Low confidence on your dps?
View post on Tera forums#50 canikizu06/19/2017, 05:21 PM
I think noctenium was initially meant for PVP, alliance and all you know, and back then it wasn't hard at all to farm or even craft.
It gives mainly PVP buffs, the skill dmg increase is barely considerable, so I don't really know why you need such a small buff in PVE that much to run your content. Low confidence on your dps?

Noctenium gives 5-10% more damage for PvE, same increase if you upgrade from VM8 to VM9. Why upgrade gears in PvE if it gives you such small damage buff imrite? You don't need noct to pvp either. Low confidence on your skill?
View post on Tera forums#51 LesbianVi06/19/2017, 05:28 PM
So, let me put this out.

MWA: 6-7G
SES:100-120G
Extensive: 10G
Premium: 10-12G
SB:15-20G
Crystals:500-1k G
Noct: 1-1.5 G
Feedstock also cheap as heck both t11, t12, had GF token event, had Lamb event, Noct event just now.

And now with these f..ed up economy and with all these being out there cheap as heck, and allows you to enchant, awaken gear way easier and I am DISGUSTING for not wanting more stuff and you guys are PRO?

Every circle that we get new gears prices go up, this event they went to the gutter and still every single day, people making threads and demand for more stuff to be handed over and anyone oppose that getting name called.

I remember years ago and compare to this gear patch and all these threads demanding stuff, makes me wonder about the purpose of the forums, is it here to ask for stuff?

PS: If you don't want farm Noct and only run VSHM whole day, it is not anyone's problem that you are running out of Noct, you can't get everything from just one dungeon. Is it so hard for you to understand? Also you know what Sun Festival is?

Stop asking for cheaper stuff, you people just ruined the game already, if it is too hard for you to get what you want, just leave. Thanks.

PS: you can name call me more, it won't make you a grown up.
View post on Tera forums#52 toufu06/19/2017, 05:38 PM
Stop dodging my questions, this is why people can't take you seriously, you dont even play the game, nor even do anys mid tier dungeon, do you?

We dont just farm VSHM, we do alot of other stuffs, and this isnt just about VSHM, it is gonna be a problem when harrowhold comes.
From what i can concluded you just do some irrelevant stuffs in Tera and AFK or probably play tradebroker and get salty when events overflow the market and you cant make profit from it. Otherwise proof me wrong, what do you even do in game.

You think we're not investing enough time on playing dungeon/grind? are you crazy? we're gonna sit around and spend 12hours to farm our stuffs? spend 1-2hr per end game dungeon? what is wrong with you man ,go do a VSHM once at least and you will know what I mean.

I hereby asking you to answer these questions again. Do you play the game? IF so please answer the stuffs below. So people can start taking you seriously.
@LesbianVi Is it okay to answer these questions?

1.Have you cleared VSNM?
2. Have you cleared VSHM?
3. are the toons u use to do VSHM geared in misery, VM7,VM8, VM8.5 or VM9?
4. how many nocteniums do u use for VSHM per boss
5. what other consumables do u use during VSHM? (bulgogi, prime replenishment,recovery, 50% health pot, sarberry, divine infusion)
6. what other dungeons do u do besides VSHM, and long does it take for you to clear the dungeon or ?? minutes per boss , inclusive of maybe wipes and resets or clean runs
7. how many total runs do u have on VSHM from all of your toons
8. Do you use noctenium infusions at all?
9. Have you done any harrowhold?
10. Have you tried doing harrowhold without nocteniums?

You dont understand the state of Supply and demand of Tera and you DONT even play the game.
View post on Tera forums#53 Lifegiver0006/19/2017, 05:43 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
So, let me put this out.

MWA: 6-7G
SES:100-120G
Extensive: 10G
Premium: 10-12G
SB:15-20G
Crystals:500-1k G
Noct: 1-1.5 G
Feedstock also cheap as heck both t11, t12, had GF token event, had Lamb event, Noct event just now.

And now with these f..ed up economy and with all these being out there cheap as heck, and allows you to enchant, awaken gear way easier and I am DISGUSTING for not wanting more stuff and you guys are PRO?

Every circle that we get new gears prices go up, this event they went to the gutter and still every single day, people making threads and demand for more stuff to be handed over and anyone oppose that getting name called.

I remember years ago and compare to this gear patch and all these threads demanding stuff, makes me wonder about the purpose of the forums, is it here to ask for stuff?

PS: If you don't want farm Noct and only run VSHM whole day, it is not anyone's problem that you are running out of Noct, you can't get everything from just one dungeon. Is it so hard for you to understand? Also you know what Sun Festival is?

Stop asking for cheaper stuff, you people just ruined the game already, if it is too hard for you to get what you want, just leave. Thanks.

PS: you can name call me more, it won't make you a grown up.

Sorry lovely, you seem to forget that these are "forums" where anything and everything can be subject to criticism. It's hilarious that when you want something you expect people to turn a blind eye yet when someone else does the same exact thing you throw your arms up in air about it. Be consistent. Stop giving yourself passes and bashing others for the same [filtered] thing.

And you seem to blame the community for ruining the economy which simply isn't correct. The mongo events and bam events that EME gave us ruined the economy. It still hasn't recovered to this day.
View post on Tera forums#54 kotorikisu06/19/2017, 05:52 PM
you guys fail to realize that you don't NEED noc to run a dungeon. It's a consumable! You don't see people demanding EME to pay them back for the food and other things they use...ex. Nostrums for people who are not Elite etc.
Want the boost in DPS? Then work for it. Runs dungeons that give you noc or find a way to make gold to buy it.
View post on Tera forums#55 toufu06/19/2017, 06:05 PM
@kotorikisu please re-read the entire thread about why we think noctenium is needed and why is it depleting so fast. spend average 4hours daily to farm end game and non-end game to recover the prices. money required for buying design, average 350-500k per weapon.

No noctenium VSHM run? sure, longer runs, Let me know how many average VSHM runs can you do everyday and how long can you keep that up. I hope you
you are willingly to spend 50% health pots,normal pots and goddess blessing when it is actually needed and i wish you the best for forever smooth, clean and non-tilt run in VSHM. In addition, i would want a video of you and your 20man raid clearing harrowhold without nocteniums.

View post on Tera forums#56 canikizu06/19/2017, 06:06 PM
kotorikisu wrote: »
you guys fail to realize that you don't NEED noc to run a dungeon. It's a consumable! You don't see people demanding EME to pay them back for the food and other things they use...ex. Nostrums for people who are not Elite etc.
Want the boost in DPS? Then work for it. Runs dungeons that give you noc or find a way to make gold to buy it.

And people do run other dungeons to get noctenium. But it's unrealistic to run 10 BRNM to get enough noct to do ONE VSHM run. Of course broker has always been the goto way to get noctenium currently, but there's a reason why noctenium has been rising from 70s since Alliance was removed to 2g currently. There is not enough supply out there to make up for the demand.

I only use Noct to run exclusive VSHM and still don't get enough to cover the cost. You can say that you don't need noct to run dungeon however you want. Are you also the type that not use Nostrum and Bravery and health potion in dungeons because they are consumables too?
View post on Tera forums#57 Tewii06/19/2017, 06:10 PM
I wouldn't listen to LesbianVi honestly. S/he uses HP 8% roll on her chest, as a brawler. Tut tut. No wonder they have zero issues being inefficient.

Vi, the supply of noctenium has dwindled, forcing top tier players to spend massive amounts of gold on their consumables that were only a few patches ago much easier to collect is criminal, especially given the dismal state of effort-vs-reward that comes from VSHM. VSNM, VHNM and VHHM are all easier, take less time, and are far more rewarding for the playerbase, let alone the fact those three are doable on alts.

Take a look at the market for noctenium and see for yourself. A 400% increase in price over the course of a year is staggering, far higher than any other consumable has risen in price.

Bring back DSU tbh. Only dungeon that's had a genuinely decent reward for the effort needed to complete it.
greedy people never farm and never paid gold for get nocteriums...........................
View post on Tera forums#59 toufu06/19/2017, 06:16 PM
@StevenAnthony
The people who are greedy are people who does not have a valid counter- comment on why we should find other options to obtain noctenium and understanding why it is depleting. Just soo they can AFK broker and sell them at 10g per noctenium for profit without having to run the dungeon

View post on Tera forums#60 DWDE6GFGWH06/19/2017, 06:21 PM
greedy people never farm and never paid gold for get nocteriums...........................

This dude is also from CH, he can't run VSHM or HH so nothing helps him here and decides to keep whiteknighting. Seriously guys, if you don't run harder dungeons can you just not post..
View post on Tera forums#61 kotorikisu06/19/2017, 06:23 PM
i have 100k noc...2g each? :O going to sell them now, thx!!
View post on Tera forums#62 ElinUsagi06/19/2017, 06:25 PM
@toufu

Then making avaliable crafting resources to get nocs that way could be one of the better choices, that way lowbies could join the gathering for mats and sell them on broker for a reasonable price if gathering gives you enought mats to make it worth for everyone.

I really don't understand why crafting is abandoned this way for BHS and players, crafting should be the way to get consumables of this kind.
View post on Tera forums#63 Kreuziger06/19/2017, 06:27 PM
Would be nice to get via bam drop the materials to make nocteniums and the recipe for them buying from a merchant. I believe is possible to craft them but we dont have materials right? Correct me if wrong.
Doing this we can revive the open world grind, open world pvp and maybe can revive the crafting too.
View post on Tera forums#64 kotorikisu06/19/2017, 06:27 PM
lololol EME can you please just mail these guys hand-outs? :3
View post on Tera forums#65 toufu06/19/2017, 06:29 PM
@kotorikisu we dont want hand outs, if you are gonna be a troll pls gtfo from this thread.
toufu wrote: »
@StevenAnthony
The people who are greedy are people who does not have a valid counter- comment on why we should find other options to obtain noctenium and understanding why it is depleting. Just soo they can AFK broker and sell them at 10g per noctenium for profit without having to run the dungeon
DWDE6GFGWH wrote: »
greedy people never farm and never paid gold for get nocteriums...........................

This dude is also from CH, he can't run VSHM or HH so nothing helps him here and decides to keep whiteknighting. Seriously guys, if you don't run harder dungeons can you just not post..

yea because im know nocterium make me more pro, im no greddy because when im get noctreiums im farm them or buy them, because im see is more value nocterium and no people who im spend them rite ?
View post on Tera forums#67 toufu06/19/2017, 06:30 PM
@StevenAnthony
yea because im know nocterium make me more pro, im no greddy because when im get noctreiums im farm them or buy them, because im see is more value nocterium and no people who im spend them rite ?
Do you mind rephrasing? thats pretty difficult to understand.
View post on Tera forums#68 kotorikisu06/19/2017, 06:33 PM
you guys keep crying about items that are a luxury, not a right. EME doesn't owe you anything. You keep complaining that you are spending gold/consumables in this game :O WOAH what a concept. I didn't realize EME has to give you back consumables you use in the game.
toufu wrote: »
@StevenAnthony
yea because im know nocterium make me more pro, im no greddy because when im get noctreiums im farm them or buy them, because im see is more value nocterium and no people who im spend them rite ?
Do you mind rephrasing? thats pretty difficult to understand.

dont worry, im no cryes because im dont get my nocteriums huehuehuehue
View post on Tera forums#70 LesbianVi06/19/2017, 06:33 PM
Kreuziger wrote: »
Would be nice to get via bam drop the materials to make nocteniums and the recipe for them buying from a merchant. I believe is possible to craft them but we dont have materials right? Correct me if wrong.
Doing this we can revive the open world grind, open world pvp and maybe can revive the crafting too.

We actually need the revamp alliance, for pvp and a source for other stuff such a Noct, but for now, in couple of days Sun festival starts and it easy and a great way to farm the heck outta Noct.

View post on Tera forums#71 ElinUsagi06/19/2017, 06:34 PM
Kreuziger wrote: »
Would be nice to get via bam drop the materials to make nocteniums and the recipe for them buying from a merchant. I believe is possible to craft them but we dont have materials right? Correct me if wrong.
Doing this we can revive the open world grind, open world pvp and maybe can revive the crafting too.

Yeah, exactly, mats to craft nocs were removed several months ago and I like the idea to get the mats for killing bams on open world, not only from IoD.

I think BHS should make nocs crafting an option for everyone in this game.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
Kreuziger wrote: »
Would be nice to get via bam drop the materials to make nocteniums and the recipe for them buying from a merchant. I believe is possible to craft them but we dont have materials right? Correct me if wrong.
Doing this we can revive the open world grind, open world pvp and maybe can revive the crafting too.

Yeah, exactly, mats to craft nocs were removed several months ago and I like the idea to get the mats for killing bams on open world, not only from IoD.

I think BHS should make nocs crafting an option for everyone in this game.

this no work, people still complaint and cry because they dont like farm......
View post on Tera forums#73 toufu06/19/2017, 06:39 PM
kotorikisu 2:33AM
you guys keep crying about items that are a luxury, not a right. EME doesn't owe you anything. You keep complaining that you are spending gold/consumables in this game :O WOAH what a concept. I didn't realize EME has to give you back consumables you use in the game.
Did i state that EME owes us items? Since you dont even want to read my posts i am just gonna ignore you until you come up with some constructive criticism.
StevenAnthony
this no work, people still complaint and cry because they dont like farm......
wait, completing vanguards on 8 different toons daily isnt farming and are deemed by bunch like you that we want "handouts" ?Please further elaborate the we-dont-like-farm part. Do you even read?

@ElinUsagi @LesbianVi
It is truly sad that crafting system is gone. And i dont think that can be instantly brought back without going through BHS. However i am hoping EME staffs,@Spacecats and other admins is able to take into consideration of introducing another way to obtain noctenium
View post on Tera forums#74 kotorikisu06/19/2017, 06:40 PM
I wasnt just talking about you lollll
View post on Tera forums#75 LesbianVi06/19/2017, 06:40 PM
It is funny that everyone referring to me to prove their point, I just said nope, for NOW we don't need that, you all start pointing at me, if I don't play and I don't know why is important that I prove your points or I don't, is EME gonna listen to me and ignore your fact or you all don't have any logical facts? Or maybe you just know what @StevenAnthony said is true, you don't want to really farm for them or you want to keep your gold and don't spend it, so easy way is to make a thread about it right before Sun Festival which was always Noct farm event for those that need them.

Never ever we had events to give out enchanting mats and VM mats in this scale this close to gear release patch. I am not the problem if Tera is losing players, you are all asking for easy stuff, people get what they want in couple of weeks, we don't have real content after that and people just afk or find another game to play.

@seraphinush the master said, SPOILED :winky:
View post on Tera forums#76 kotorikisu06/19/2017, 06:42 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
It is funny that everyone referring to me to prove their point, I just said nope, for NOW we don't need that, you all start pointing at me, if I don't play and I don't know why is important that I prove your points or I don't, is EME gonna listen to me and ignore your fact or you all don't have any logical facts? Or maybe you just know what @StevenAnthony said is true, you don't want to really farm for them or you want to keep your gold and don't spend it, so easy way is to make a thread about it right before Sun Festival which was always Noct farm event for those that need them.

Never ever we had events to give out enchanting mats and VM mats in this scale this close to gear release patch. I am not the problem if Tera is losing players, you are all asking for easy stuff, people get what they want in couple of weeks, we don't have real content after that and people just afk or find another game to play.

@seraphinush the master said, SPOILED :winky:

exactly. People just want stuff given to them at this point.
View post on Tera forums#77 TWMagimay06/19/2017, 06:42 PM
I do think the noctenium supply is fine. Income for casual/low-mid tier players was shattered by recent events and nocts are a good income source. What's not fine is that VS HM is a pure money pit while simultaneously providing all the vm9 mats. It's a double whammy. You get no gold from it but if you want vm9, it's the place to be.
View post on Tera forums#78 toufu06/19/2017, 06:42 PM
@LesbianIV we are not trying to point at you, we are presenting you our point of view. but it is of course with all the points laid out clearly, you just think we are lazy and want hand outs
View post on Tera forums#79 Tewii06/19/2017, 06:44 PM
It's funny that people who are against this repeat the same rhetoric of "You don't want to farm" despite people willing to, and farming them currently, and bring up arguments that are easily shut down and then fall back onto the "I don't actually care, why do you keep talking to me" act.

Really makes you think.
View post on Tera forums#80 LesbianVi06/19/2017, 06:47 PM
@toufu as I said, I am referring to current situation and upcoming Sun Festival, as you saw I am not blind and I understand that crafting them is dead, but remember even when they were there, people needs to farm, you might not asking for hands out here, but look around the forums since the gear patch and you get why I am just really in a mood to stand these kinda posts. As I said, seriously look at the prices of mats and see what a messed economy we have now, gold sink doesn't exists, people are siting at large of piles of gold, asking for EMP, EMP ratio is gone to 1:40-45. In the other hand, casual can't make gold, because everything is just too cheap to sale or people don't even need to buy, so Noct is only profitable way to make gold for them now. And now we take that away from them, newbies, casual goes away and things get even nastier and servers emptier.

Am I really being wrong here?
View post on Tera forums#81 canikizu06/19/2017, 06:53 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
@toufu as I said, I am referring to current situation and upcoming Sun Festival, as you saw I am not blind and I understand that crafting them is dead, but remember even when they were there, people needs to farm, you might not asking for hands out here, but look around the forums since the gear patch and you get why I am just really in a mood to stand these kinda posts. As I said, seriously look at the prices of mats and see what a messed economy we have now, gold sink doesn't exists, people are siting at large of piles of gold, asking for EMP, EMP ratio is gone to 1:40-45. In the other hand, casual can't make gold, because everything is just too cheap to sale or people don't even need to buy, so Noct is only profitable way to make gold for them now. And now we take that away from them, newbies, casual goes away and things get even nastier and servers emptier.

Am I really being wrong here?

Event will never ever be a good and stable way to supply the player base, especially tradable consumables one. All it does is to enourage gouging and stockpiling and brokering them later (unless you are into those, since you don't run dungeons at all).

I farm all 8 vg quests on 4 main toons per days, do all 8 vg on other 6 alts toons, and only run and use noctenium in VSHM on 2 toons, and I still don't get enough noctenium to cover the cost. I think you SERVERLY underestimate how much goldsink VSHM is for people like us. If you are playing this game more than us, show proof and we will listen to your opinions, otherwise you are just arguing for the sake of argument. Sometimes it's better to shut up and pretend to be stupid, then open your mouth and confirm that you are one.
View post on Tera forums#82 toufu06/19/2017, 06:55 PM
@LesbianVi
Goldsink doesnt exist because ppl don't do end game dungeon. they just settle with mid tier gear and do not use consumables and takes 1h-2hr to do an end game dungeon.

An end game dungeon without consumables will results boss fights become long and more rooms for mistakes, and people, start to tilt from long runs. That is why ppl go all out on end game dungeon and also and use the other times to do solo vanguard or do mid tier dungeons to make up the for the consumables spent on dungeon. It is ver

And i disagree noct is the most profitable to make gold, It is better to spam low and mid tier dungeon, ace dungeon or iod and sell boxes,scales,ominous ore and herpvein powder. 50% health pot for profit atm. EMP ratio at my server is 1:35 btw.
View post on Tera forums#83 canikizu06/19/2017, 06:59 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
@toufu as I said, I am referring to current situation and upcoming Sun Festival, as you saw I am not blind and I understand that crafting them is dead, but remember even when they were there, people needs to farm, you might not asking for hands out here, but look around the forums since the gear patch and you get why I am just really in a mood to stand these kinda posts. As I said, seriously look at the prices of mats and see what a messed economy we have now, gold sink doesn't exists, people are siting at large of piles of gold, asking for EMP, EMP ratio is gone to 1:40-45. In the other hand, casual can't make gold, because everything is just too cheap to sale or people don't even need to buy, so Noct is only profitable way to make gold for them now. And now we take that away from them, newbies, casual goes away and things get even nastier and servers emptier.

Am I really being wrong here?
Yes you are the one being wrong. I'm shocked you consider it!!
Event will never ever be a good and stable way to supply the player base, especially tradable consumables one. All it does is to enourage gouging and stockpiling and brokering them later (unless you are into those, since you don't run dungeons at all).

I farm all 8 vg quests on 4 main toons per days, do all 8 vg on other 6 alts toons, and only run and use noctenium in VSHM on 2 toons, and I still don't get enough noctenium to cover the cost. I think you SEVERELY underestimate how much goldsink VSHM is for people like us. If you are playing this game more than us, show proof and we will listen to your opinions, otherwise you are just arguing for the sake of argument. Sometimes it's better to shut up and pretend to be stupid, then open your mouth and confirm that you are one.
StevenAnthony
this no work, people still complaint and cry because they dont like farm......
wait, completing vanguards on 8 different toons daily isnt farming and are deemed by bunch like you that we want "handouts" ?Please further elaborate the we-dont-like-farm part. Do you even read?

but
toufu wrote: »
Is nobody having noctenium supply issue at the moment?

I've talked to a bunch of friends of mine who actively does end game content, all of us have come to an agreement that noctenium infusions are depleting very quickly. At the moment VSHM yields almost no profit and fights can get pretty long ,which uses up a lot of nocteniums.

Harrowhold is soon to come, and it will require lots of noctenium infusions.

I think we need an event similar to tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/mongos-raid-potion-shack-catalysts-missing EXCLUDING the catalysts but instead, drops noctenium,strong canephora,strong bravery,etc (i've known ppl who missed the chance to farm their strong bravery/canephora too)
to my memory this event was hardly abused, and it requires actual effort searching for mongo to earn your rewards.

im agree with nocterium suply are more crappy ( no like alliance craft, when you can spend 3 hours kill mobs for get tisues).
but you still get from vanguards, dungeons etc. and and like im said in other post about same tread, average broker prices are around 1.5 2 g each, and somes bams events ( and summers event ) suplly somes nocteriums boxes

but if you and you friend do end game dungeons, alredy know if you runs the hardes conted, when you have enough supliess, and farm the most harder conted only for get enough consumables/nocteriums ........... pliss,
View post on Tera forums#85 toufu06/19/2017, 07:04 PM
@Stevenanthony
im agree with nocterium suply are more crappy
So you acknowledged noctenium supply is an issue ,thank you but i do not understand your 2nd paragraph.
@Stevenanthony
but if you and you friend do end game dungeons, alredy know if you runs the hardes conted, when you have enough supliess, and farm the most harder conted only for get enough consumables/nocteriums ........... pliss,
I am really sorry, do you mind rephrasing again?
toufu wrote: »
@Stevenanthony
im agree with nocterium suply are more crappy
So you acknowledged noctenium supply is an issue ,thank you but i do not understand your 2nd paragraph.
@Stevenanthony
but if you and you friend do end game dungeons, alredy know if you runs the hardes conted, when you have enough supliess, and farm the most harder conted only for get enough consumables/nocteriums ........... pliss,
I am really sorry, do you mind rephrasing again?

maybe you have, because you farm vshm for get nocteriums ............
View post on Tera forums#87 toufu06/19/2017, 07:09 PM
@Stevenanthony no i dont farm VSHM to get noctenium, you CANT farm VSHM for nocteniums, thats just crazy, even if you do it is super inefficient.

I do VSHM daily about 4-8 runs daily
then spend my remaining time doing vanguards for my alts to sell mats so that i can buy nocteniums from broker to cover the goldsink. This way is much faster.
View post on Tera forums#88 Shishao06/19/2017, 07:17 PM
@LesbianVi would you please or anyone enlighten me how the Sun Festival is a good source of noctenium.
As far as I know you can farm Sarberry Ice for the mp pot and sun tokens and some fun items.
Did they change the game rewards and instead of charms you get noctenium or .... ?
View post on Tera forums#89 TWMagimay06/19/2017, 07:21 PM
Shishao wrote: »
@LesbianVi would you please or anyone enlighten me how the Sun Festival is a good source of noctenium.
As far as I know you can farm Sarberry Ice for the mp pot and sun tokens and some fun items.
Did they change the game rewards and instead of charms you get noctenium or .... ?

Sun tokens can(or could) be exchanged for noctenium boxes, semi's, dyads, random stuff nobody cares about. Though, to be fair, last year the shop was briefly full of stupid(low-mid tier gear) before people cried on the forum for hand-outs and it was reverted to the worth-it stuff. Nobody really knows what will happen this year.
View post on Tera forums#90 Kreuziger06/19/2017, 07:23 PM
People need more nocteniums. We have plenty ways to make it possible.
*An empty open world with bams
*the crafting still works. Thanks god.
*we are able to gather for mats of any type.

Gathering, crafting, open world content. It makes me remember old days when the open world used to have ppl around.
Again..Eme or bh can make it possible? We already have most of the things needed.
View post on Tera forums#91 Shishao06/19/2017, 07:24 PM
TWMagimay wrote: »
Shishao wrote: »
@LesbianVi would you please or anyone enlighten me how the Sun Festival is a good source of noctenium.
As far as I know you can farm Sarberry Ice for the mp pot and sun tokens and some fun items.
Did they change the game rewards and instead of charms you get noctenium or .... ?

Sun tokens can(or could) be exchanged for noctenium boxes, semi's, dyads, random stuff nobody cares about. Though, to be fair, last year the shop was briefly full of stupid(low-mid tier gear) before people cried on the forum for hand-outs and it was reverted to the worth-it stuff. Nobody really knows what will happen this year.

So everyone attacking this thread is quoting something that they changed last year for the worse (just to change it again because forum outcry, the irony) and noone is sure what will be in the shop this year, will it even contain a noctenium box.
10/10
would assume HH is gonna come in a month or so, if i keep this VSHM farming up i would have NO nocteniums left, i have enough money to wipe the current broker but it will greatly raise the cost of noctenium infusion and it will STILL be a problem and making things worse.

atm i dont even feel like doing VSHM at all because the noctenium is getting scarce and expensive.

dont do x 8 vshm = fixed lack in nocterium , you said this ..................
View post on Tera forums#93 toufu06/19/2017, 07:30 PM
@StevenAnthony but i need materials to make VM9 so i can tank some hits from HH bosses and not be a burden my other 19 teammtes.

Also a stronger dps weapon ,because HH20man will be MUCH MORE PUNISHING, literally 1 death = raid wipe
View post on Tera forums#94 Akthanakos06/19/2017, 07:32 PM
@LesbianVi
would assume HH is gonna come in a month or so, if i keep this VSHM farming up i would have NO nocteniums left, i have enough money to wipe the current broker but it will greatly raise the cost of noctenium infusion and it will STILL be a problem and making things worse.

atm i dont even feel like doing VSHM at all because the noctenium is getting scarce and expensive.

dont do x 8 vshm = fixed lack in nocterium , you said this ..................

like seriously, just crawl back the cave you came from. You're just a pathetic troll that adds nothing to this thread or community for that matter.
toufu wrote: »
@StevenAnthony but i need materials to make VM9 so i can tank some hits from HH bosses and not be a burden my other 19 teammtes. There is no way to perfectly iframe every attack until maybe you 've done the dungeon 30-100times. Even then iframing everything with mid tier or low budget gear is not a good way to do HH

Also a stronger dps weapon ,because HH20man will be MUCH MORE PUNISHING, literally 1 death = raid wipe

you said, if you do vshm, you dont have nocteriums for do hh..............
View post on Tera forums#96 Shishao06/19/2017, 07:37 PM
would assume HH is gonna come in a month or so, if i keep this VSHM farming up i would have NO nocteniums left, i have enough money to wipe the current broker but it will greatly raise the cost of noctenium infusion and it will STILL be a problem and making things worse.

atm i dont even feel like doing VSHM at all because the noctenium is getting scarce and expensive.

dont do x 8 vshm = fixed lack in nocterium , you said this ..................

Everyone, stop playing the game in a rationale way, just faceplant for hours mid tier dungeons or farm alone in an MMORPG because that yields the best rewards B)
View post on Tera forums#97 toufu06/19/2017, 07:38 PM
@StevenAnthony The answer is everywhere in thie topic, I dont want to repeat the same thing 123091238i12093 times.

Adding ways to earn noctenium wont even make VSHM profitable atm, it just makes it less painful to run VSHM on a daily basis to prep us to be geared to do an upcoming Harrowhold. What part in this did you not get?
View post on Tera forums#98 LesbianVi06/19/2017, 07:57 PM
Shishao wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
Shishao wrote: »
@LesbianVi would you please or anyone enlighten me how the Sun Festival is a good source of noctenium.
As far as I know you can farm Sarberry Ice for the mp pot and sun tokens and some fun items.
Did they change the game rewards and instead of charms you get noctenium or .... ?

Sun tokens can(or could) be exchanged for noctenium boxes, semi's, dyads, random stuff nobody cares about. Though, to be fair, last year the shop was briefly full of stupid(low-mid tier gear) before people cried on the forum for hand-outs and it was reverted to the worth-it stuff. Nobody really knows what will happen this year.

So everyone attacking this thread is quoting something that they changed last year for the worse (just to change it again because forum outcry, the irony) and noone is sure what will be in the shop this year, will it even contain a noctenium box.
10/10

Noct boxes were always there in token shop, plus fashion coupon loot boxes, I was getting Noct boxes always from there, you can farm and save up a lot. It was a routine, rest items were changing, but these 2 boxes were always there.
View post on Tera forums#99 LesbianVi06/19/2017, 08:02 PM
Akthanakos wrote: »
would assume HH is gonna come in a month or so, if i keep this VSHM farming up i would have NO nocteniums left, i have enough money to wipe the current broker but it will greatly raise the cost of noctenium infusion and it will STILL be a problem and making things worse.

atm i dont even feel like doing VSHM at all because the noctenium is getting scarce and expensive.

dont do x 8 vshm = fixed lack in nocterium , you said this ..................

like seriously, just crawl back the cave you came from. You're just a pathetic troll that adds nothing to this thread or community for that matter. All you do is trollfest every thread you post on, you're such a cancer on this forum. Just grow up dude, your attitude is simply disgusting.

like that you are acting like a grown up? You know he is an active AV player, which is also liked by AV players, since he is not toxic towards anyone. But it seems you little boy can't reply anyone without being rude.
View post on Tera forums#100 TWMagimay06/19/2017, 08:16 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
Shishao wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
Shishao wrote: »
@LesbianVi would you please or anyone enlighten me how the Sun Festival is a good source of noctenium.
As far as I know you can farm Sarberry Ice for the mp pot and sun tokens and some fun items.
Did they change the game rewards and instead of charms you get noctenium or .... ?

Sun tokens can(or could) be exchanged for noctenium boxes, semi's, dyads, random stuff nobody cares about. Though, to be fair, last year the shop was briefly full of stupid(low-mid tier gear) before people cried on the forum for hand-outs and it was reverted to the worth-it stuff. Nobody really knows what will happen this year.

So everyone attacking this thread is quoting something that they changed last year for the worse (just to change it again because forum outcry, the irony) and noone is sure what will be in the shop this year, will it even contain a noctenium box.
10/10

Noct boxes were always there in token shop, plus fashion coupon loot boxes, I was getting Noct boxes always from there, you can farm and save up a lot. It was a routine, rest items were changing, but these 2 boxes were always there.

Mno. For about a day last year the token shop contained only slaughter gear(and the related jewellery, I think). You can refer to this topic: https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/4241/sunmmer-festivities/p1 They had to actually get involved and revert the change.
View post on Tera forums#101 LesbianVi06/19/2017, 08:30 PM
TWMagimay wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
Shishao wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »
Shishao wrote: »
@LesbianVi would you please or anyone enlighten me how the Sun Festival is a good source of noctenium.
As far as I know you can farm Sarberry Ice for the mp pot and sun tokens and some fun items.
Did they change the game rewards and instead of charms you get noctenium or .... ?

Sun tokens can(or could) be exchanged for noctenium boxes, semi's, dyads, random stuff nobody cares about. Though, to be fair, last year the shop was briefly full of stupid(low-mid tier gear) before people cried on the forum for hand-outs and it was reverted to the worth-it stuff. Nobody really knows what will happen this year.

So everyone attacking this thread is quoting something that they changed last year for the worse (just to change it again because forum outcry, the irony) and noone is sure what will be in the shop this year, will it even contain a noctenium box.
10/10

Noct boxes were always there in token shop, plus fashion coupon loot boxes, I was getting Noct boxes always from there, you can farm and save up a lot. It was a routine, rest items were changing, but these 2 boxes were always there.

Mno. For about a day last year the token shop contained only slaughter gear(and the related jewellery, I think). You can refer to this topic: https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/4241/sunmmer-festivities/p1 They had to actually get involved and revert the change.

I remember that, they said it was messed up or something and then we got the usual shop items, so we had that vampire event too, might have that for different shop items. I like summer events, but my job gets heavier on summer lol damit
View post on Tera forums#102 Knightg06/19/2017, 08:32 PM
Alliance was good could have a pile of Noctenium just farming mobs now open world isn't the same and there isn't .................................... anything that makes up the difference and gold drops were ruined to the point half the game feels empty. Anyway good luck.The grind is real.
View post on Tera forums#103 5H96Y49G6D06/19/2017, 08:35 PM
U dont NEED to use nocs for vshm tho....
View post on Tera forums#104 Ardire06/19/2017, 08:45 PM
why do these threads that revolve around topics of the hardest content in the game always get overrun by players who've never set a foot in those dungeons in their life?
View post on Tera forums#105 jongbae06/19/2017, 08:54 PM
Ok. This post is full of so much non sense and lack of knowledge.

1. No one is saying "give us free noct" even if the thread started with a suggestion of an event, other people are bringing up options such as crafting (like old school noct) and open world bam farming. Also putting boxes in vanguard shop maybe, I don't know... we do all agree, the noctenium supply is low compared to what you usually use.

2. "You don't need to use noct for vshm tho" - So you are also free to not use prime battle solution, mana pots, health pots, etc... but that's pretty much up to you if you want to spend 20 mins per boss. This isn't about "you can do it without it" or not, it's about the lack of noctenium supply.

This is also another way for you, mid tier players, to farm noctenium to sell to those lazy end game players as you guys think we all are. No one is asking for free things, we are just putting out the issue with even numbers involved. Go read early posts where you see the average of noctenium used compared of the one earned.
View post on Tera forums#106 Fleett06/19/2017, 08:57 PM
jongbae wrote: »
Ok. This post is full of so much non sense and lack of knowledge.

1. No one is saying "give us free noct" even if the thread started with a suggestion of an event, other people are bringing up options such as crafting (like old school noct) and open world bam farming. Also putting boxes in vanguard shop maybe, I don't know... we do all agree, the noctenium supply is low compared to what you usually use.

2. "You don't need to use noct for vshm tho" - So you are also free to not use prime battle solution, mana pots, health pots, etc... but that's pretty much up to you if you want to spend 20 mins per boss. This isn't about "you can do it without it" or not, it's about the lack of noctenium supply.

This is also another way for you, mid tier players, to farm noctenium to sell to those lazy end game players as you guys think we all are. No one is asking for free things, we are just putting out the issue with even numbers involved. Go read early posts where you see the average of noctenium used compared of the one earned.

Bravo! Well said.
View post on Tera forums#107 66ECX7NAN706/19/2017, 09:09 PM
If you do VSHM 4-8 times a day, you can do it without noctenium.
View post on Tera forums#108 toufu06/19/2017, 09:24 PM
If you do VSHM 4-8 times a day, you can do it without noctenium.
can you?
View post on Tera forums#109 ElinUsagi06/19/2017, 09:57 PM
> @toufu said:
> If you do VSHM 4-8 times a day, you can do it without noctenium.
>
>
>
> can you?

Actually you can but this is not about that.

It got my interest if this thread could be taken seriously for EME to pass feedback to BHS or if they can come with a way to farm or craft enought nocs to make the time farming/crafting them worth.

I am not with the idea to make VSHM more rewarding but I like the idea to make nocs more common for players use thay they already are.

It was quite funny to se some people using nocs while farming IoD and doing low and mid tier dungeons, so I think that's one of the reasons you seee the nocs rising in price on broker. Right now even players demanding more nocs are increasing numbers mean while players farming them to sell are decreasing.

However you can agree that there are people in the thread that don't want to share ideas of how can we resupply nocs but only post to insult or troll others.

Let them be, ignore them and focus on those who are trying to contribute in your thread.
View post on Tera forums#110 Partyblast06/19/2017, 10:17 PM
66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
If you do VSHM 4-8 times a day, you can do it without noctenium.

I can also do it without using nostrum, I can also do it without using 2 of the skills I usually use, but I'm not playing VSHM Challenge mode I'm running the dungeon for clears. If you want to clear VSHM 4-8 times a day with a party that doesn't want to clear in a decent time then more power to you.

Fact is BHS decided to make all these dungeons have a super buffed endurance which is making noctenium even more of a requirement if you want to keep your sanity yet they aren't introducing a proper way to maintain a noctenium supply which is what we're asking for from EmE. They previously changed BRHM and SCHM to drop noctenium/bravery boxes (albeit a super overpowered buff which cause problems for them later from BHS) and perhaps they could change VSHM's current loot to give a little bit more, seeing as EU has done it maybe if they don't go super OP drops we could get a noct box or two for the party (as in everyone gets a box or two, not a box or two to be shared) to help ease the costs.
View post on Tera forums#111 TWMagimay06/19/2017, 10:45 PM
66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
If you do VSHM 4-8 times a day, you can do it without noctenium.

How many hours does a day in your universe have?
View post on Tera forums#112 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 12:09 AM
66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
If you do VSHM 4-8 times a day, you can do it without noctenium.

Yeah, that's true, but when you get higher dps, higher aggro and things get faster why not use it?

I mentioned why I am opposing this right now, because in the current situation economy is so fudged and Noct is the only possible gold sink for hard core players and income for casual and newbies. If you look at prices I mentioned, you understand.

Those players have the right to use noct, there is no denying that, but for now and with Sun Festival coming up, we don't need to do anything about it, just that we need that f..ing revamped alliance on NA, for pvp, for gold sink, for crafting noct, for GE, SE and more.
View post on Tera forums#113 StevenAnthony06/20/2017, 01:06 AM
Partyblast wrote: »
66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
If you do VSHM 4-8 times a day, you can do it without noctenium.

I can also do it without using nostrum, I can also do it without using 2 of the skills I usually use, but I'm not playing VSHM Challenge mode I'm running the dungeon for clears. If you want to clear VSHM 4-8 times a day with a party that doesn't want to clear in a decent time then more power to you.

Fact is BHS decided to make all these dungeons have a super buffed endurance which is making noctenium even more of a requirement if you want to keep your sanity yet they aren't introducing a proper way to maintain a noctenium supply which is what we're asking for from EmE. They previously changed BRHM and SCHM to drop noctenium/bravery boxes (albeit a super overpowered buff which caused problems for them later from BHS) and perhaps they could change VSHM's current loot to give a little bit more, seeing as EU has done it maybe if they don't go super OP drops we could get a noct box or two for the party (as in everyone gets a box or two, not a box or two to be shared) to help ease the costs.

nostrum dont are like nocterium,
View post on Tera forums#114 66ECX7NAN706/20/2017, 02:45 AM
Partyblast wrote: »
66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
If you do VSHM 4-8 times a day, you can do it without noctenium.

I can also do it without using nostrum, I can also do it without using 2 of the skills I usually use, but I'm not playing VSHM Challenge mode I'm running the dungeon for clears. If you want to clear VSHM 4-8 times a day with a party that doesn't want to clear in a decent time then more power to you.

Fact is BHS decided to make all these dungeons have a super buffed endurance which is making noctenium even more of a requirement if you want to keep your sanity yet they aren't introducing a proper way to maintain a noctenium supply which is what we're asking for from EmE. They previously changed BRHM and SCHM to drop noctenium/bravery boxes (albeit a super overpowered buff which caused problems for them later from BHS) and perhaps they could change VSHM's current loot to give a little bit more, seeing as EU has done it maybe if they don't go super OP drops we could get a noct box or two for the party (as in everyone gets a box or two, not a box or two to be shared) to help ease the costs.

Nostrums are intended to be a basic consumable that players can use all the time, which is why dungeons like KC have a tutorial system that tells players to use them. Noctenium just gives a small damage boost, one that experienced parties don't really need to clear content. What's next, complaining about the cost of lamb bulgogi?
View post on Tera forums#115 saltedcaramel06/20/2017, 02:45 AM
...

why are people who haven't cleared VSHM even talking? stop wasting my time reading through your irrelevant crap

on a serious note, yes there needs to be additional noctenium from vshm. lowbies already can earn gold from Follower's and Lakan's chests (that vshm DOESN'T DROP) so that point is moot.
View post on Tera forums#116 toufu06/20/2017, 03:07 AM
@66ECX7NAN7
Nostrums are intended to be a basic consumable that players can use all the time, which is why dungeons like KC have a tutorial system that tells players to use them. Noctenium just gives a small damage boost, one that experienced parties don't really need to clear content. What's next, complaining about the cost of lamb bulgogi?
What in arborea did you thinks kc and nostrum is a comparable issue to end game + nostrum + noctenium?

I dont even need nostrum to clear a dam kc dungeon.

i can do kc with slaughter on my solo mystic and you CANT do that on end game content? u can be fully geared in VM9 and have a party of 5 to know what they are doing and it would stil pack some sort of challenge.

And nobody here is complaining about bulgogi please stay relevant to the topic
View post on Tera forums#117 66ECX7NAN706/20/2017, 04:17 AM
toufu wrote: »
@66ECX7NAN7
Nostrums are intended to be a basic consumable that players can use all the time, which is why dungeons like KC have a tutorial system that tells players to use them. Noctenium just gives a small damage boost, one that experienced parties don't really need to clear content. What's next, complaining about the cost of lamb bulgogi?
What in arborea did you thinks kc and nostrum is a comparable matter to end game + nostrum + noctenium?

I dont even need a full party to do kc because it is a very easy dungeon?On the other hand, u can be fully geared in VM9 and have a party of 5 to know what they are doing and it would stil pack some sort of challenge. If you want to pick a comparison pick something closer like VHHM.

And nobody here is complaining about bulgogi please stay relevant to the topic

It's a reflection of what the developers had in mind when they designed consumables. They intended for nostrums to be standard for dungeons, and teach players this in low item level tutorial dungeons, while noctenium is just an optional bonus.
View post on Tera forums#118 toufu06/20/2017, 04:20 AM
@66ECX7NAN7
It's a reflection of what the developers had in mind when they designed consumables. They intended for nostrums to be standard for dungeons, and teach players this in low item level tutorial dungeons, while noctenium is just an optional bonus.

That is not true and you are taking a KC dungeon as a comparison, which is totally completely do-able with outdated mid tier gear, slaughter even. Attempting to do VSHM and Harrohold on a long term basis without noctenium would kill any sane person interest in playing the game. Have you done any of them on a daily basis without noctenium?
View post on Tera forums#119 ElinUsagi06/20/2017, 06:00 AM
toufu wrote: »
@66ECX7NAN7
It's a reflection of what the developers had in mind when they designed consumables. They intended for nostrums to be standard for dungeons, and teach players this in low item level tutorial dungeons, while noctenium is just an optional bonus.

That is not true and you are taking a KC dungeon as a comparison, which is totally completely do-able with outdated mid tier gear, slaughter even. Attempting to do VSHM and Harrohold on a long term basis without noctenium would kill any sane person interest in playing the game. Have you done any of them on a daily basis without noctenium?

A party in mid tier gear with average skill and tier 2 etchings without using nocs takes around 30 mins to do VSNM or even more (no wipes), obviously the same party could take double that time to clear VSHM and wipes could be something common for then making even longer the run.

A party with VM8 or VM8.5 with tier 4 etchings and using nocs could do it in 20 minutes if they made a perfect run, however perfect is not some thing that is garantued to happen and it is even rare to achieve.

I really agree that running the actual high tier dungeons can distress or even stress the players becuase the amount of time needed to do them becuase we came from a patch were we needed half the time to do the high tier dungeons.

Spending double the time for doing the "top tier dungeons" than the previous patch for the same kind of rewards in present time is obvious something that will upset anyone but I think nerfs will come in a point in this season to those dungeons as we had on SSHM and DFHM seasons. Lets see what happens in the future but for now this topic about ways to get nocs are quite interesting and I hope there would be enought feedback to CM take it into account for future changes.
View post on Tera forums#120 Partyblast06/20/2017, 06:08 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
toufu wrote: »
@66ECX7NAN7
Spending double the time for doing the "top tier dungeons" than the previous patch for the same kind of rewards in present time is obvious something that will upset anyone but I think nerfs will come in a point in this season to those dungeons as we had on SSHM and DFHM seasons. Lets see what happens in the future but for now this topic about ways to get nocs are quite interesting and I hope there would be enought feedback to CM take it into account for future changes.

The only nerf that happened was a HP nerf for the dungeons, including VSHM, which we may have already had seeing as we have the updated loot. There have been no other nerfs or changes on Ktera since and seeing how this patch over there has about ran it's course I don't see any changes coming until they're no longer considered end-game.
View post on Tera forums#121 Baldurdash06/20/2017, 06:55 AM
Generally in the past my noctenium supply would slowly dwindle but now it's burning fast with how long VSH takes.
View post on Tera forums#122 saltedcaramel06/20/2017, 06:56 AM
pretty sure the vshm we got is already nerfed (Lakan has 1.4bil hp) but I could be wrong
View post on Tera forums#123 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 09:11 AM
This about VSHM or Noct Infusion? You guys are confused as heck. We are not talking about VSHM, it is about Noct Infusion, and when we talk about consumable everyone can talk about it, we are not talking about VS mechs or specs, get your she together.

If running VSHM is too hard for you guys, don't jump on others, come to CH, run gold making stuff and RP :p
View post on Tera forums#124 TWMagimay06/20/2017, 10:26 AM
LesbianVi wrote: »
This about VSHM or Noct Infusion? You guys are confused as heck. We are not talking about VSHM, it is about Noct Infusion, and when we talk about consumable everyone can talk about it, we are not talking about VS mechs or specs, get your she together.

If running VSHM is too hard for you guys, don't jump on others, come to CH, run gold making stuff and RP :p

VS HM is a massive noct sink which is what makes it the most relevant aspect of the noct demand-supply conversation.
View post on Tera forums#125 Ardire06/20/2017, 10:55 AM
TWMagimay wrote: »

VS HM is a massive noct sink which is what makes it the most relevant aspect of the noct demand-supply conversation.


She ain't gonna understand that, no matter the 835793749 times it was mentioned in this thread, she's never been in there and we all know it.

Also to that other dude, comparing nocts to bulgogis doesn't make a lick of sense since all food are event based items, by their very nature they're timed and limited, nocts have been a constant since vm2 days.
View post on Tera forums#126 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 11:03 AM
Ardire wrote: »
TWMagimay wrote: »

VS HM is a massive noct sink which is what makes it the most relevant aspect of the noct demand-supply conversation.


She ain't gonna understand that, no matter the 835793749 times it was mentioned in this thread, she's never been in there and we all know it.

Also to that other dude, comparing nocts to bulgogis doesn't make a lick of sense since all food are event based items, by their very nature they're timed and limited, nocts have been a constant since vm2 days.

Do you understand that you people are crying too much too? Right, we mentioned a source for Noct should be there but I said, with Sun Festival coming and ofc fudged economy, we better spend gold on it, that will help economy.

Sigh, you people claim you are so good at this game, but keep demanding stuff that was never demanded before even when game was way more harder than this.
View post on Tera forums#127 saltedcaramel06/20/2017, 11:14 AM
LesbianVi wrote: »
This about VSHM or Noct Infusion? You guys are confused as heck. We are not talking about VSHM, it is about Noct Infusion, and when we talk about consumable everyone can talk about it, we are not talking about VS mechs or specs, get your she together.

If running VSHM is too hard for you guys, don't jump on others, come to CH, run gold making stuff and RP :p

Use the modest amount of intelligence you have and think about it. You might find your answer.

edit: didn't see twmagimay already replied. whoops, sorry :P
View post on Tera forums#128 Ardire06/20/2017, 11:27 AM
Never had to "Demand" noct in the past cause you could easily craft it and farm up a metric ton through alliance. The game was never "way more harder" either, MCHM wasn't challenging unless you were doing something off-kilter like three manning it to make the most profit off a quill sale or something. Stop talking like you can clear high-tier endgame content.

No one is even claiming VSHM is "hard" either? But it's still a noct sink cause the bosses are just flat out stupidly tanky 'cause that's the idea of difficulty now I guess, huge HP pools.
We shouldn't have to rely on events for noct, noct is a constant consumable in the game-- it's not like the rootstock food.

You say we're "crying" but so are you 'cause the only reason you want noct to be this sparse is cause it brings you a meager income as player who never has to use them since you don't do high-end content. If you wanna make actual money sell tier 12 feedstock, run the BGs during their power hours and sell what you get from boxes, sell semi-enigmatics, etc, there's plenty other ways-- people will buy these things happily because they bring forth a profitable, positive long-term outcome (better gear, better rolls, etc) but when you drop gold on noct only to burn it all in an instance (VSHM) that won't even help you break even for what you spent to run it? It's not right and leaves people unhappy. Do you understand this?

also can you open a thesaurus and stop using the word crying so much? like there's so many other words you can use. whining, complaining, lamenting, sobbling, the world is your verbal oyster.
View post on Tera forums#129 Ardire06/20/2017, 11:40 AM
Never had to demand nocts 'cause you could just craft them or farm up a metric ton in alliance (there was a time when noct was really low and it was necessary for pvp. those days were rough, but EME listened and stuck noct in the BG shops), also this game was never "much harder". MCHM wasn't challenging unless you were doing something off-kilter like three-manning it to make the most profit off a quill sale or something. You gotta stop talking like you run/ran the hardest content without any specifics, it's really transparent.

We shouldn't have to rely on events for nocts-- nocts are a constant consumable in-game. Not like rootstock food.

I get it though, you want noct to stay this sparse not cause you really care about this economy or anything, but 'cause you can make a meager income from it as as player who never needs to use it due to avoiding high end content. There's other things to sell you know, tier 12 feedstock, semi-enigs, undies, run the BGs during their power hours and sell what you get from the boxes (keybadges and scales), etc. These things players will buy happily cause it brings forth a positive, profitable long-term outcome (better gear, better roles on gear, etc). But then you drop a lot of gold on noct only to burn it all in once instance (VSHM) that doesn't even help you break even for what you spent to run it? That's not right, leaves people upset and bitter at the situation. Do you understand?

People just want an actual way to farm noct reasonable to the disgusting amount you use up during 1 VSHM run-- let alone the even more disgusting amount people are gonna use on 1 HH run in the future.
View post on Tera forums#130 Ardire06/20/2017, 11:46 AM
the alternative to fixing the noct situation would be making VSHM drops more profitable therefore players wouldn't feel so crummy dropping a fat dollar on all the noct to run it.

sorry to double post, don't wanna run the risk of editing a post in fear the forum will eat it.
View post on Tera forums#131 toufu06/20/2017, 12:50 PM
@LesbianVi @StevenAnthony @other_people_who_have_no_idea_what_they_are_talking
I really want to keep this thread healthy and relevant, if you dont even play end game content(VHHM,VSHM,Harrowhold), nor even do mid tier dungeons like VSNM VHNM TSNM and just afk erping brokering , please just get your hands off your keyboard and dont flame others when you are the one who dont even play the game.

Stop typing, and let people who actually have something contributing to say to type and not let the thread be filled with nonsensical stuffs. I want a thread with people coming in with healthy conversations, not bashing spouting nonsense.

Go earn your attention somewhere else.

@Halrath @Spacecats and other GMs
Is this issue being taken into consideration? What are your thoughts about this thread?

View post on Tera forums#132 ValiantCorvus06/20/2017, 12:55 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
This about VSHM or Noct Infusion? You guys are confused as heck. We are not talking about VSHM, it is about Noct Infusion, and when we talk about consumable everyone can talk about it, we are not talking about VS mechs or specs, get your she together.

If running VSHM is too hard for you guys, don't jump on others, come to CH, run gold making stuff and RP :p

Literally this entire thread was about the consumption of Noctenium in VSHM.
View post on Tera forums#133 66ECX7NAN706/20/2017, 02:33 PM
ITT: elitists get butthurt when they can't pop every consumable imaginable 4-8 times a day without breaking the bank.
View post on Tera forums#134 saltedcaramel06/20/2017, 02:40 PM
66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
ITT: elitists get butthurt when they can't pop every consumable imaginable 4-8 times a day without breaking the bank.

elitists LUL sit your [filtered] down non-factor
View post on Tera forums#135 66ECX7NAN706/20/2017, 02:46 PM
Don't worry, sooner or later there will be another event where you can farm over 9000 noctenium loot boxes. Keep begging for handouts (yes, getting more noctenium for the same amount of effort is a handout), it's working.
View post on Tera forums#136 toufu06/20/2017, 02:49 PM
@66ECX7NAN7 Your keyboard warrior skills is horrible, you dont even know what they mean dont you.

And to prevent any sort of implementation of your so called " 9000000 noctenium lootboxes" to overflow Tera could've been prevented with you suggesting something constructive. But instead you come and flame people, without any sort of legitimate reason, really? You guys are toxic.
View post on Tera forums#137 66ECX7NAN706/20/2017, 02:59 PM
I had a constructive suggestion: if noctenium is too expensive, don't use it. That's just supply and demand. I really don't care whether BHS or EME decide to increase the supply or not. Aside from saying some people are elitists, which is accurate if you're saying people who don't run VSHM multiple times a day shouldn't express their opinion, I haven't insulted or flamed anyone.
View post on Tera forums#138 Haggard8606/20/2017, 03:05 PM
> @66ECX7NAN7 said:
> I had a constructive suggestion: if noctenium is too expensive, don't use it. That's just supply and demand. I really don't care whether BHS or EME decide to increase the supply or not. Aside from saying some people are elitists, which is accurate if you're saying people who don't run VSHM multiple times a day shouldn't express their opinion, I haven't insulted or flamed anyone.

Your suggestion is already in use by me. Depending on party composition, in vshm darkan fight, I prob won't turn on nocts until he's at 50% so we can burn him faster to 25% so we don't have pillar issues. Beyond that, I won't turn them on unless lakan is giving us issues or another dps keeps dying.
View post on Tera forums#139 Xiaolin06/20/2017, 03:06 PM
I believe I saw a post about the games economy not having a good gold sink, perhaps put noctenium infusion in the specialty merchants inventory and there we go. Two birds, one stone. I believe noctentium is craftable? So put whatever it is that's required into the vendor inventory.
View post on Tera forums#140 toufu06/20/2017, 03:07 PM
Making a statement about running 4-8 VSHM is considered etilist? please elaborate.
Some of the players here DOES NOT even run mid tier or VSHM/VHHM/Harrowhold is trying to give a ton of comments about how noctenium is not needed when they DONT even play the game, I simply asked if they even run the dungeon itself, Look at how many of them have actually answered? It isnt even a difficult question to answer, They dont understand where we are coming from.

Why else do you think people who do end game is feeling frustrated when looking at people who DONT play the game making baseless comments?

Are you allergic to proper discussion or what?
View post on Tera forums#141 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 03:14 PM
66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
I had a constructive suggestion: if noctenium is too expensive, don't use it. That's just supply and demand. I really don't care whether BHS or EME decide to increase the supply or not. Aside from saying some people are elitists, which is accurate if you're saying people who don't run VSHM multiple times a day shouldn't express their opinion, I haven't insulted or flamed anyone.

Thank you, this is all about that. they still demand over mats, consumables, anything, and they claim they are so good at this game and everyone else so bad and don't understand the game.

Guess what you made your case, we made our case. If our case made you so angry that made you go on a attack mode for pages, then it proves you players don't care for discussion, you repeat yourself over and over, with name calling and stuff like that. At this point, I am pretty much sure, you players are demanding for hand outs. couple of you players are not representing the community, they are running the dungeons, they are not crying over anything, they can manage things without posting stuff against other players.

if it makes me bad for asking for extra reward point (which we got), then just check the forums and thread you make and check your posts and see since the gear release you players keep demanding almost everything and asking for stuff, and even if you got many, still you few players are still crying over something new.

If at this point, we had a shortage we could agree on that, but you have piles of feedstock, piles of MES, piles of SES, piles of SB, piles of BES, piles of VM mats, all came from events without doing the hard stuff or any hard farmings. And now only thing you got to pay to get is Noct infusion and for this alone you players are ranting so bad that not only shows you are not as good as you claim at this game but also shows you surely want hand outs at this point.

Keep ranting, keep pointing at me. You are not representing the game.
View post on Tera forums#142 saltedcaramel06/20/2017, 03:18 PM
so what do you represent then @LesbianVi ? the bunch of other nonfactors wasting our time ?
View post on Tera forums#143 saltedcaramel06/20/2017, 03:23 PM
I appeal to those who can't run vshm -- this problem is amplified by vshm. If vshm didn't exist noctenium supply/demand might not even have been an issue. If you can't run vshm just don't talk because honestly you are just wasting time. Go indulge yourselves in some erotic role play with your equally non-factor friends in Lumbertown and let those who are actually impacted by this talk.

Don't get me wrong though, if you consistently farm VSHM and you disagree with most of the rhetoric that's fine we can agree to disagree. I just don't like shitters talking out of place
View post on Tera forums#144 toufu06/20/2017, 03:25 PM
@saltedcaramel
Don't get me wrong though, if you consistently farm VSHM and you disagree with most of the rhetoric that's fine we can agree to disagree. I just don't like shitters talking out of place

Exactly this
View post on Tera forums#145 canikizu06/20/2017, 03:32 PM
so what do you represent then @LesbianVi ? the bunch of other nonfactors wasting our time ?

He "suggested" us to wait for Sun Festival, where you can farm like 6 tokens per day on one toon for 10 min, and the Noct Box is 10 tokens. Essentially you have to waste 1 hour on 10 alt toons to get enough noct boxes to supply for ONE VSHM run. But hey, according to him, Sun Festival will solve all the problem.

People like him are eager to wait for Sun Festival because it's like extra income for him, he don't care about the state of demand/supply at all. While people are trying to discuss about ways to stabilize the supply (by iod/ace token which require farm, vg credit which requires farm, npc shops which is a good goldsink for the game, etc), all he wants is events and events, and yet he talks about "hand-outs". How is farming a handout when Sun Festival isn't. Such hypocrite.
View post on Tera forums#146 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 03:43 PM
canikizu wrote: »
so what do you represent then @LesbianVi ? the bunch of other nonfactors wasting our time ?

He "suggested" us to wait for Sun Festival, where you can farm like 6 tokens per day on one toon for 10 min, and the Noct Box is 10 tokens. Essentially you have to waste 1 hour on 10 alt toons to get enough noct boxes to supply for ONE VSHM run. But hey, according to him, Sun Festival will solve all the problem.

People like him are eager to wait for Sun Festival because it's like extra income for him, he don't care about the state of demand/supply at all. While people are trying to discuss about ways to stabilize the supply (by iod/ace token which require farm, vg credit which requires farm, npc shops which is a good goldsink for the game, etc), all he wants is events and events, and yet he talks about "hand-outs". How is farming a handout when Sun Festival isn't. Such hypocrite.

yeah, thanks for pointing the obvious, you don't wanna pay for them, You don't wanna pay for anything, forums is your gold to spend.

You summed it up all for me.
View post on Tera forums#147 Akthanakos06/20/2017, 03:46 PM
@LesbianVi why dont you just admit that you're jealous of people that can run dungeons while you can only farm iod 24/7. All you want is for things that benefit YOU while keeping the good players down, all that so that you can some extra gold? Do you really think you can convince anyone that actually plays this game? I bet if EME decided to further boost IOD you would be applauding them because YOU would benefit from it. So just stop this facade, no one here cares about your opinion when all you do is afk/broker/iod 24/7.
View post on Tera forums#148 TWMagimay06/20/2017, 03:47 PM
canikizu wrote: »
He "suggested" us to wait for Sun Festival, where you can farm like 6 tokens per day on one toon for 10 min, and the Noct Box is 10 tokens. Essentially you have to waste 1 hour on 10 alt toons to get enough noct boxes to supply for ONE VSHM run. But hey, according to him, Sun Festival will solve all the problem.

That's factually incorrect. And considering the tone of this topic I feel compelled to tell you that if you don't farm Sun Festival, you shouldn't be talking about it. Also, Su festival has been known for crashing the prices of whatever item people flock to so while you, personally, might not be able to farm all the nocts you need, you'll be able to buy them at affordable prices.
People like him are eager to wait for Sun Festival because it's like extra income for him, he don't care about the state of demand/supply at all. While people are trying to discuss about ways to stabilize the supply (by iod/ace token which require farm, vg credit which requires farm, npc shops which is a good goldsink for the game, etc), all he wants is events and events, and yet he talks about "hand-outs". How is farming a handout when Sun Festival isn't. Such hypocrite.

Except "people" are not trying to stabilise the supply, it's already stable. This topic is literally about making endgame players completely self-sufficient and cutting off "casual" players in yet another way.
View post on Tera forums#149 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 03:52 PM
You are all saying pages over pages you can't make gold to buy Noct, I am the shitter? As I said, with this economy and with stuff you all got after gear patch by events so far, if you are asking for more stuff, also I remember in 1 hour bam event, 40 to 60 boxes were distributed to the participants, so even Noct were distributed, still asking and demanding stuff doesn't make you players good.
View post on Tera forums#150 DWDE6GFGWH06/20/2017, 03:55 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
canikizu wrote: »
so what do you represent then @LesbianVi ? the bunch of other nonfactors wasting our time ?

He "suggested" us to wait for Sun Festival, where you can farm like 6 tokens per day on one toon for 10 min, and the Noct Box is 10 tokens. Essentially you have to waste 1 hour on 10 alt toons to get enough noct boxes to supply for ONE VSHM run. But hey, according to him, Sun Festival will solve all the problem.

People like him are eager to wait for Sun Festival because it's like extra income for him, he don't care about the state of demand/supply at all. While people are trying to discuss about ways to stabilize the supply (by iod/ace token which require farm, vg credit which requires farm, npc shops which is a good goldsink for the game, etc), all he wants is events and events, and yet he talks about "hand-outs". How is farming a handout when Sun Festival isn't. Such hypocrite.

yeah, thanks for pointing the obvious, you don't wanna pay for them, You don't wanna pay for anything, forums is your gold to spend.

You summed it up all for me.

Please just stop Vi, this is why everyone dislikes you together with all the other people that don't run top tier dungeons and talk in topics like these. Whenever people come up with a legitimate concern, you just come in and start being a hypocrite. If it doesn't value you in any way you always go against the community that runs harder stuff even tho you don't run dungeons at all. If you can show atleast a skilled title on your VSH you wouldn't have all these people against you. You're only on tera to sit afk and do easy dungeons/abuse blue box events, of course you won't notice that noctenium is a problem right now.
View post on Tera forums#151 toufu06/20/2017, 03:57 PM
@TWMagimay Then why would we wanna do end game if it is not self-sustainable but only a steady lost of income? We know it is gonna be a lost at the start of the patch, but doing end game is more of an investment. noctenium is there to make our life tadbit easier.certain times we have low dps or another dps out of the game/dead and we need to use noct to make up for that DPS check or break shield to prevent tank from dying in VSHM . I know it is NOT a must to use noctenium in VSHM but it will still be a necessity eventually. It isnt easy to have a perfect party where everybody can clear the dungeon without noct or have people that can spend 2hours per dungeon.

I dont quite get the cutting off casual player part, i am pretty sure some sort of way can be implemented/suggested to allow casual players to farm noct as well to sell for end game players, when Harrowhold come, the usage of noctenium is gonna be way more and its 1000% a must.
View post on Tera forums#152 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 04:01 PM
Akthanakos wrote: »
@LesbianVi why dont you just admit that you're jealous of people that can run dungeons while you can only farm iod 24/7. All you want is for things that benefit YOU while keeping the good players down, all so you can get extra gold? Do you really think you can convince anyone that actually plays this game? I bet if EME decided to further boost IOD you would be applauding them because YOU would benefit from it. So just stop this facade, no one here cares about your opinion when all you do is afk/broker/iod 24/7.

I never did broker in my Tera life, I wouldn't be Tier 5 if I was doing IOD 24/7 with 17 chars I have on CH, plus I am working 8-10 hours a day, 6 days of a week, grow up and don't insult players which you have no idea how and what they are doing.

this facade of asking for stuff and ruining economy more than this needs to stop, so no, I won't shut up. go see EU and see how players are doing there. You guys are massively spoiled and wants to be spoiled more.

I blame EME here, gave way way too much mats, consumable, things that effect game plays and are not just luxuries and handing those stuff spoiled part of the community so much and not a day goes by without you same people demanding for more stuff.
View post on Tera forums#153 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 04:04 PM
DWDE6GFGWH wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
canikizu wrote: »
so what do you represent then @LesbianVi ? the bunch of other nonfactors wasting our time ?

He "suggested" us to wait for Sun Festival, where you can farm like 6 tokens per day on one toon for 10 min, and the Noct Box is 10 tokens. Essentially you have to waste 1 hour on 10 alt toons to get enough noct boxes to supply for ONE VSHM run. But hey, according to him, Sun Festival will solve all the problem.

People like him are eager to wait for Sun Festival because it's like extra income for him, he don't care about the state of demand/supply at all. While people are trying to discuss about ways to stabilize the supply (by iod/ace token which require farm, vg credit which requires farm, npc shops which is a good goldsink for the game, etc), all he wants is events and events, and yet he talks about "hand-outs". How is farming a handout when Sun Festival isn't. Such hypocrite.

yeah, thanks for pointing the obvious, you don't wanna pay for them, You don't wanna pay for anything, forums is your gold to spend.

You summed it up all for me.

Please just stop Vi, this is why everyone dislikes you together with all the other people that don't run top tier dungeons and talk in topics like these. Whenever people come up with a legitimate concern, you just come in and start being a hypocrite. If it doesn't value you in any way you always go against the community that runs harder stuff even tho you don't run dungeons at all. If you can show atleast a skilled title on your VSH you wouldn't have all these people against you. You're only on tera to sit afk and do easy dungeons/abuse blue box events, of course you won't notice that noctenium is a problem right now.

do you know how I play the game? I can't participate in most events, unless I am off of the work. Weekends for you which most events happens are work days for me, plus all PM events are AM events when I am sleeping, so your assumptions and conclusions are false.
View post on Tera forums#154 Obs06/20/2017, 04:06 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
You are all saying pages over pages you can't make gold to buy Noct, I am the shitter? As I said, with this economy and with stuff you all got after gear patch by events so far, if you are asking for more stuff, also I remember in 1 hour bam event, 40 to 60 boxes were distributed to the participants, so even Noct were distributed, still asking and demanding stuff doesn't make you players good.

Problem isn't the gold cost. I just want to not spend over 1k Noct per lancer run with 5~ minute bosses. There is no real in game source of Noct. I'm more than willing to farm for it, as long as it comes from harder content (like DS2/3) and not just spamming 64 vanguards a day.

The hardest content in the game SHOULD at least not cost people more to run it than it gives. VM mats are worthless once you get your pieces.
View post on Tera forums#155 DWDE6GFGWH06/20/2017, 04:07 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
DWDE6GFGWH wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
canikizu wrote: »
so what do you represent then @LesbianVi ? the bunch of other nonfactors wasting our time ?

He "suggested" us to wait for Sun Festival, where you can farm like 6 tokens per day on one toon for 10 min, and the Noct Box is 10 tokens. Essentially you have to waste 1 hour on 10 alt toons to get enough noct boxes to supply for ONE VSHM run. But hey, according to him, Sun Festival will solve all the problem.

People like him are eager to wait for Sun Festival because it's like extra income for him, he don't care about the state of demand/supply at all. While people are trying to discuss about ways to stabilize the supply (by iod/ace token which require farm, vg credit which requires farm, npc shops which is a good goldsink for the game, etc), all he wants is events and events, and yet he talks about "hand-outs". How is farming a handout when Sun Festival isn't. Such hypocrite.

yeah, thanks for pointing the obvious, you don't wanna pay for them, You don't wanna pay for anything, forums is your gold to spend.

You summed it up all for me.

Please just stop Vi, this is why everyone dislikes you together with all the other people that don't run top tier dungeons and talk in topics like these. Whenever people come up with a legitimate concern, you just come in and start being a hypocrite. If it doesn't value you in any way you always go against the community that runs harder stuff even tho you don't run dungeons at all. If you can show atleast a skilled title on your VSH you wouldn't have all these people against you. You're only on tera to sit afk and do easy dungeons/abuse blue box events, of course you won't notice that noctenium is a problem right now.

do you know how I play the game? I can't participate in most events, unless I am off of the work. Weekends for you which most events happens are work days for me, plus all PM events are AM events when I am sleeping, so your assumptions and conclusions are false.

You spammed the blue box event (which was another broken event). I remember you complaining about it somehow too at first, which makes you a huge hypocrite. You're not even a casual player, you just get on tera to afk and for events that even a lvl 1 can participate in.
View post on Tera forums#156 canikizu06/20/2017, 04:10 PM
TWMagimay wrote: »
canikizu wrote: »
He "suggested" us to wait for Sun Festival, where you can farm like 6 tokens per day on one toon for 10 min, and the Noct Box is 10 tokens. Essentially you have to waste 1 hour on 10 alt toons to get enough noct boxes to supply for ONE VSHM run. But hey, according to him, Sun Festival will solve all the problem.

That's factually incorrect. And considering the tone of this topic I feel compelled to tell you that if you don't farm Sun Festival, you shouldn't be talking about it. Also, Su festival has been known for crashing the prices of whatever item people flock to so while you, personally, might not be able to farm all the nocts you need, you'll be able to buy them at affordable prices.
People like him are eager to wait for Sun Festival because it's like extra income for him, he don't care about the state of demand/supply at all. While people are trying to discuss about ways to stabilize the supply (by iod/ace token which require farm, vg credit which requires farm, npc shops which is a good goldsink for the game, etc), all he wants is events and events, and yet he talks about "hand-outs". How is farming a handout when Sun Festival isn't. Such hypocrite.

Except "people" are not trying to stabilise the supply, it's already stable. This topic is literally about making endgame players completely self-sufficient and cutting off "casual" players in yet another way.
Detailed number might be incorrect, but point still stands. You do have to run Sun Festival on 10 toons to get enough noct boxes for one vshm, and after that you are left with no tokens for anything else. In the end, Sun Festival is jsut an event, it will for sure create a dip in price, but it solves nothing. People will just stockpile, gouge the market and price will back up in no time. Event is never a good way to steadily supply the market.

Noctenium price has been climbing up from 70silver to 2g ever since Alliance was gone. How was that stable? Price don't lie, especially price of the one consumables that never has really been touched by EME events which is noctenium. Endgame dungeons have always been a goldsink, even in fast dungeons like RMHM, it's just a matter of how big those hole is. RMHM cost is less than 500g-1k gold, while VSHM cost is easily over 2-3k gold per run. People who do 8 runs a day potentially sink 15-20k gold a day into consumables. Asking for an offset of the huge lost people usually have doing VSHM isn't bad. Noctenium price has always been rising, even during the weaker HM dungeons time like SSHM, RMHM.

@LesbianVi : It might come to a surprise for you, but not all people who are in demand topics are the same. Different people have different needs. The OP are not the same. It's just silly to group all people together. However, the only constant in all of those topics are you. I kept seeing your name popping up, either to bash people asking for hand-out, then turn around and ask for hand-out yourself. I'm amazed that you still don't see how two-face you are.
View post on Tera forums#157 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 04:14 PM
DWDE6GFGWH wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
DWDE6GFGWH wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
canikizu wrote: »
so what do you represent then @LesbianVi ? the bunch of other nonfactors wasting our time ?

He "suggested" us to wait for Sun Festival, where you can farm like 6 tokens per day on one toon for 10 min, and the Noct Box is 10 tokens. Essentially you have to waste 1 hour on 10 alt toons to get enough noct boxes to supply for ONE VSHM run. But hey, according to him, Sun Festival will solve all the problem.

People like him are eager to wait for Sun Festival because it's like extra income for him, he don't care about the state of demand/supply at all. While people are trying to discuss about ways to stabilize the supply (by iod/ace token which require farm, vg credit which requires farm, npc shops which is a good goldsink for the game, etc), all he wants is events and events, and yet he talks about "hand-outs". How is farming a handout when Sun Festival isn't. Such hypocrite.

yeah, thanks for pointing the obvious, you don't wanna pay for them, You don't wanna pay for anything, forums is your gold to spend.

You summed it up all for me.

Please just stop Vi, this is why everyone dislikes you together with all the other people that don't run top tier dungeons and talk in topics like these. Whenever people come up with a legitimate concern, you just come in and start being a hypocrite. If it doesn't value you in any way you always go against the community that runs harder stuff even tho you don't run dungeons at all. If you can show atleast a skilled title on your VSH you wouldn't have all these people against you. You're only on tera to sit afk and do easy dungeons/abuse blue box events, of course you won't notice that noctenium is a problem right now.

do you know how I play the game? I can't participate in most events, unless I am off of the work. Weekends for you which most events happens are work days for me, plus all PM events are AM events when I am sleeping, so your assumptions and conclusions are false.

You spammed the blue box event (which was another broken event). I remember you complaining about it somehow too at first, which makes you a huge hypocrite. You're not even a casual player, you just get on tera to afk and for events that even a lvl 1 can participate in.

See, you don't even read, I farmed blue boxes for 1-3 hour a day, like any other players. When there is free stuff we all farm it. I mean you players got nothing better to say lol?
View post on Tera forums#158 Akthanakos06/20/2017, 04:14 PM
@LesbianVi economy? Do you even know how it works? All you do is showing us that you're a hypocrite that doesnt know anything. Let me enlight you, in case you didnt know, the reason the economy is like this is mostly because there is no gold sink in this game. And no before you start spouting your nonsense again, buying nocs from other players isnt a goldsink, the money just moves from one person to another. Sure, poor planned events like mongos also hurt the economy. But then again, it was only amplified by the lack of a gold sink in this game.
View post on Tera forums#159 Haggard8606/20/2017, 04:14 PM
Then what do you do Vi. You don't run iod much, you don't run any challenging dungeons. If all you do is log in, and chat on global while occasionally running low tier content, then you have absolutely zero idea what it takes and costs to run end game content.
View post on Tera forums#160 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 04:16 PM
Obs wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
You are all saying pages over pages you can't make gold to buy Noct, I am the shitter? As I said, with this economy and with stuff you all got after gear patch by events so far, if you are asking for more stuff, also I remember in 1 hour bam event, 40 to 60 boxes were distributed to the participants, so even Noct were distributed, still asking and demanding stuff doesn't make you players good.

Problem isn't the gold cost. I just want to not spend over 1k Noct per lancer run with 5~ minute bosses. There is no real in game source of Noct. I'm more than willing to farm for it, as long as it comes from harder content (like DS2/3) and not just spamming 64 vanguards a day.

The hardest content in the game SHOULD at least not cost people more to run it than it gives. VM mats are worthless once you get your pieces.

I get you Obs, I said before I am not denying that, at all, I just say, we will have the Sun festival, it is a summer long event which feed noct boxes the whole summer, isn't that what people wants? You are right, but when even with that coming up, you can say they can't farm it and they don't wanna spend gold.

That is why I don't understand why these players keep going on and attacking me.
View post on Tera forums#161 StevenAnthony06/20/2017, 04:19 PM
toufu wrote: »
@LesbianVi @StevenAnthony @other_people_who_have_no_idea_what_they_are_talking
I really want to keep this thread healthy and relevant, if you dont even play end game content(VHHM,VSHM,Harrowhold), nor even do mid tier dungeons like VSNM VHNM TSNM and just afk erping brokering , please just get your hands off your keyboard and dont flame others when you are the one who dont even play the game.

Stop typing, and let people who actually have something contributing to say to type and not let the thread be filled with nonsensical stuffs. I want a thread with people coming in with healthy conversations, not bashing spouting nonsense.

Go earn your attention somewhere else.

@Halrath @Spacecats and other GMs
Is this issue being taken into consideration? What are your thoughts about this thread?

vhhm ? who used nocterium in this dungeon ? realy ?, this dungeons is no hard, more with more nerfed in next pachest, the problem is the lack in nocterium for people who dont care about farm/have or buy with gold enough "necesary" nocteriums for farm vshm x 8 times x 30 days, rite ? because other treats say same thing

uncomond nocterium get efect to 15 minutes and increase cost for 500 nocteriums for craft instead 10 minutes for 400 nocteriums since release. this change is because BHs dont increase nocterium suplyes/rewards from vanguard, and they think this fix somes isues with lack of suply,

always when im get wipe runs for vshm im use uncomond nocteriums, no nocteriums, and im no cryed because im waste them.
View post on Tera forums#162 toufu06/20/2017, 04:29 PM
@LesbianVi
And when exactly is that event coming? when Harrowhold is coming in a month, will it be here by then? do u know how long people will be spending in that dungeon?

@StevenAnthony
dont care about farm?, dont buy gold from tb? do i really have to tell everybody i spent 300k gold buying noctenium in 2 weeks time and farm 8toons solo dungeon to make up that gold sink?(because it is totally etilist to give a legitimate numbers about how much goldsink it is to do a certain end game dungeon based on one individual)

I also spending that extra much because it is to be expected the noctenium price will keep going up unless something is to be done about it, i can buy a dam vm9 design with that price. Just because you run lesser end game dungeon per day doesnt mean it is not affecting you, it just means you dont actually pay attention to your efficiency.

And who the [filtered] stil runs VHHM now, VSHM drops everything. And VHHM is easy for you doesnt mean its not hard for some other players who are stil not too good in the game yet. we cant always have 7 perfect players.

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View post on Tera forums#163 Xiaolin06/20/2017, 04:30 PM
Akthanakos wrote: »
@LesbianVi economy? Do you even know how it works? All you do is showing us that you're a hypocrite that doesnt know anything. Let me enlight you, in case you didnt know, the reason the economy is like this is mostly because there is no gold sink in this game. And no before you start spouting your nonsense again, buying nocs from other players isnt a goldsink, the money just moves from one person to another. Sure, poor planned events like mongos also hurt the economy. But then again, it was only amplified by the lack of a gold sink in this game.

I knew I read about needing a gold sink, see my previous comment. Somehow, I wouldn't be able to get specific as I have only just gotten to Misery gear, but find a proper implementation of noctenium and specialty merchant inventory. So we have both a gold sink and noct supply.
View post on Tera forums#164 ElinUsagi06/20/2017, 04:36 PM
TWMagimay wrote: »
Except "people" are not trying to stabilise the supply, it's already stable. This topic is literally about making endgame players completely self-sufficient and cutting off "casual" players in yet another way.

Those who ask for VSHM to drop more nocs or give more rewards than actually gives.

However you can see there are people suggesting ways to get nocs from other sources aside from dungeons, like gathering to crafthem, or spending vanguard credits to buy them, or even making them avaliable from merchants.

Is not like giving them without sacrificing another thing that they already have, those who have derailed this thread have been those who wants more rewards from dungeons and those who argue against any other suggestion.

I have noticed that use of nocs are more common than before even before for skilled, casual and new players (fresh lvl 65) and becuase of that less people are selling their nocs and more are buying or asking for more ways to obtain them.

This should be a thread for us to came to options to get nocs while not making them as cheap like a nostrum (that already drops from many sources and are craftable).

I.E. I think fine cruxes should be removed from MWA boxes (you can already farm fine cruxes from lvl 58 bams) and instead of them they should give 15-30-45 nocs if you are lucky. Or putting nocs at 5 VC each. This way they could choose from buying enchanting mats or another thing or maybe use them to buy some nocs. An end-game player would not be able to make more than 350 nocs per character per day that way.

Also if crafting nocs would come to be an option it will be like asking to people to gather resources from plants/essence/ores or even hunting and open world would have some relevance. BHS could make the crafting mats for nocs be droped in low level areas and that way new players could see more often more players (and high level players) when they are in their way to lvl 65.

There are lots of ways to make nocs avaliable throught diferent methods and I am sure there are some end-game players that will be willingly to spend time doing them to restock, I am also aware that there are always people that thinks "fack this, I already run the most harder stuff on this game and I should not be forced to spend my wealth on luxuries, they should be avaliable for me every run I do". Well, the last kind of people is just as toxic in this thread like people that denied every single option to get nocs.

Having read this thread, I just want to say that we will look for more avenues to acquire noctenium in-game. It was already set up for my next event, but we will still look for more ways.
View post on Tera forums#166 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 04:39 PM
@toufu usually the event starts from July and lasts for 2 months, each day you can get do all quests in 10 mins, and it is not a specific level 65 event, so many players attend and as @TWMagimay said things in that shop gets way cheap and easy to buy, in my years in Tera, Sun Festival was a great source for Fashion coupon box and Noct boxes, now no one needs FC box, so Noct boxes attracts more interests.

Also, keep that in mind, on Summers, we have bam events, hunting events, and usually these events provide the end year mats and consumables.
View post on Tera forums#167 toufu06/20/2017, 04:41 PM
@Halrath
Having read this thread, I just want to say that we will look for more avenues to acquire noctenium in-game. It was already set up for my next event, but we will still look for more ways.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH
View post on Tera forums#168 canikizu06/20/2017, 04:44 PM
LesbianVi wrote: »
@toufu usually the event starts from July and lasts for 2 months, each day you can get do all quests in 10 mins, and it is not a specific level 65 event, so many players attend and as @TWMagimay said things in that shop gets way cheap and easy to buy, in my years in Tera, Sun Festival was a great source for Fashion coupon box and Noct boxes, now no one needs FC box, so Noct boxes attracts more interests.

Also, keep that in mind, on Summers, we have bam events, hunting events, and usually these events provide the end year mats and consumables.

Sun Festival last for one month:
http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/summertime-is-party-time-in-tera
http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/summertime-means-party-time-in-tera

Can you not go on and on with Events? Stop asking for handout please.

@Halrath : Putting noctenium in Specialty NPC shop, or Ace dungeon tokens are decent solution. It creates goldsink and control the price. You guys recently put circlet fragment in ace dungeon and I think it works perfectly. People who need circlet can just spend a day or two in those solo dungeons and can get enough mats to craft their circlet/tandem
View post on Tera forums#169 StevenAnthony06/20/2017, 04:46 PM
toufu wrote: »
@LesbianVi
And when exactly is that event coming? when Harrowhold is coming in a month, will it be here by then? do u know how long people will be spending in that dungeon?

@StevenAnthony
dont care about farm?, dont buy gold from tb? do i really have to tell everybody i spent 300k gold buying noctenium in 2 weeks time and farm 8toons solo dungeon to make up that gold sink?(because it is totally etilist to give a legitimate numbers about how much goldsink it is to do a certain end game dungeon said by one individual)

I also spending that extra much because it is to be expected the noctenium price will keep going up unless something is to be done about it, i can buy a dam vm9 design with that price. Just because you run lesser end game dungeon per day doesnt mean it is not affecting you, it just means you dont actually pay attention to your efficiency.

And who the [filtered] stil runs VHHM now, VSHM drops everything. And VHHM is easy for you doesnt mean its not hard for some other players who are stil not too good in the game yet. we cant always have 7 perfect players.

yes, is true, for vshm too, for this reason they wait for get enough consumable for clear them ( or wipe here huehuehu).

I also spending that extra much because it is to be expected the noctenium price will keep going up unless something is to be done about it, i can buy a dam vm9 design with that price

why you dont get them ?
View post on Tera forums#170 toufu06/20/2017, 04:48 PM
@Stevenanthony i have 5 pieces of VM9 ,what are you on about? and can you stay on topic about nocteniums?
View post on Tera forums#171 StevenAnthony06/20/2017, 04:48 PM
canikizu wrote: »
LesbianVi wrote: »
@toufu usually the event starts from July and lasts for 2 months, each day you can get do all quests in 10 mins, and it is not a specific level 65 event, so many players attend and as @TWMagimay said things in that shop gets way cheap and easy to buy, in my years in Tera, Sun Festival was a great source for Fashion coupon box and Noct boxes, now no one needs FC box, so Noct boxes attracts more interests.

Also, keep that in mind, on Summers, we have bam events, hunting events, and usually these events provide the end year mats and consumables.

Sun Festival last for one month:
http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/summertime-is-party-time-in-tera
http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/summertime-means-party-time-in-tera

Can you not go on and on with Events? Stop asking for handout please.

Putting noctenium in Specialty NPC shop, or Ace dungeon tokens are decent solution. It creates goldsink and control the price. You guys recently put circlet fragment in ace dungeon and I think it works perfectly. People who need circlet can just spend a day or two in those solo dungeons and can get enough mats to craft their circlet/tandem

they complait because they cant farm x 8 somenting xd
View post on Tera forums#172 StevenAnthony06/20/2017, 04:53 PM
toufu wrote: »
@Stevenanthony i have 5 pieces of VM9 ,what are you on about? and can you stay on topic about nocteniums?

edit : ? where did your post dissapeared to

arg, my comments get to aprove, but im hope you read the vhhm part, same for vshm like you said this. nocteriums are no all problem, uf you dont like normals, use uncomond .......
View post on Tera forums#173 toufu06/20/2017, 04:56 PM
Uncommon noctenium just grow on trees?? u dont need normal nocteniums to make uncommon and that additional 700vg required to make uncommon?
View post on Tera forums#174 StevenAnthony06/20/2017, 04:57 PM
toufu wrote: »
Uncommon noctenium just grow on trees?? u dont need normal nocteniums to make uncommon and that additional 700vg required to make uncommon?

the only diference is 700 vg, for ones who have 5 vm9 parts is no expensive tested rites ?
View post on Tera forums#175 toufu06/20/2017, 04:59 PM
sigh.
can you complete VSHM in 1 uncommon noctenium?
2 VSHM completion wont even be enough to buy a uncommon refiner + 400/500 nocteniums
View post on Tera forums#176 StevenAnthony06/20/2017, 05:05 PM
toufu wrote: »
sigh.
can you complete VSHM in 1 uncommon noctenium?
2 VSHM completion wont even be enough to buy a uncommon refiner + 400/500 nocteniums

well no complaints whats is waste nocteriums rite ? huehuehuehuehu
View post on Tera forums#177 kotorikisu06/20/2017, 06:20 PM
66ECX7NAN7 wrote: »
ITT: elitists get butthurt when they can't pop every consumable imaginable 4-8 times a day without breaking the bank.

LOL right?! That is what this thread is about. People are mad that they are losing gold by running dungeons. lolololol

It's also funny how everyone is assuming a lot of these people can't do the hard dungeons.
View post on Tera forums#178 5H96Y49G6D06/20/2017, 06:38 PM
toufu wrote: »
If you do VSHM 4-8 times a day, you can do it without noctenium.
can you?

Actually u can and it isnt necessary can we all quit the BS plz?

Vm9 is OP comparitively speaking to previous generations and ambush misery can burn Darkan to 25% if they do mechanivs right then #Valk

THOSE who are complaining are elitists statics that play tera 24/7 posting runs on who cares moongourd w.e. its call and wants every run to be a speed clear. You ppl know after u relearn Darkan again this patch easier than the last 2-3 patches? Lakan is a joke and yes I'll say it considering many use a proxy for call outs. 2nd boss is craptastic due to lag and bugs and 1st is just learning the swipes but still recycled. Even if u mess up its called goddess grace walk out fire.

Crying about nocs for an irrelevant dungeon is the irony and joke behind all of this. Irrelevant since garuntee many of the elitist got full VM9 or close to it prior VSHM release due to all the hand outs so really no point to run it anymore once skilled.

This is literally a cry give me more stuff handout thread and not surprisingly EME delivers. You guys should cry about costumes so I can get some free hats
View post on Tera forums#179 Ardire06/20/2017, 06:47 PM
stop crying for hand outs just wait for events to.... hand us out nocts?






what?
View post on Tera forums#180 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 07:22 PM
Halrath wrote: »
Having read this thread, I just want to say that we will look for more avenues to acquire noctenium in-game. It was already set up for my next event, but we will still look for more ways.

I don't want it sound like I wanna teach you how to run stuff, you know the game better than me, but I know the community better than you. I spent years on NA, and some time on EU.

Giving up to the people that continuously asking for stuff on multiple occasions for multiple reasons, will not expand your community and will not keep your community active. Before Noct, they always have something to demand, check the forums since the start of VM9 patch, it didn't stop after fulfilling each demands, it won't stop by noct infusion and it won't stop with the next demand.

Fulfilling these demands, High reward events which shorten the time to get gears or achieving a goal in game, did not expand the community, it didn't help the real community, it will not help and won't help, on CH alone the past month, those who know me I give lots of mats, inners and stuff to new players, add them as friends on multiple characters, mostly do not reach 65, those reach 65 do not stay around much.

Now, I am asking you, This forum should not be a source for all changes, as I said and I am saying it, hands out, giving in to these demands did not do any good for the real community, it just aroused toxicity and spoiled community, you can see it around.

I can go on with the responses I get here, but that's reflection of what events, handing out of enchanting mats, crafting mats can do to this game. Now for the sake of community do not think about pleasing these certain people, 1st you can't please them, 2nd that will ruin economy, that will ruin experience for casual players, that is ruin the game that plays in a different matters.

My final stance on this, Please in order to please a few players on forums, do not ruin the game's nature for everyone else.
View post on Tera forums#181 Haggard8606/20/2017, 07:24 PM
View post on Tera forums#182 Fleett06/20/2017, 07:26 PM
Basically he doesn't do any high tier dungeon, so he has no use for nocts. So if there are more ways to get noct the price will go down since there won't be any more scarcity and he'll lose out on gold.

That's @LesbianVi always pretending to care, but only actually worries about himself.
View post on Tera forums#183 ElinUsagi06/20/2017, 07:35 PM
Fleett wrote: »
Basically he doesn't do any high tier dungeon, so he has no use for nocts. So if there are more ways to get noct the price will go down since there won't be any more scarcity and he'll lose out on gold.

That's @LesbianVi always pretending to care, but only actually worries about himself.

Doing or not doing high tier dungeons is not the issue here, there are people that use nocs even in mid and low tier dungeons. I have seen people using them even in IoD.

The actual issue with nocs is that they were meant to PvP but they also give PvE bonuses so when Alliance were removed this consumable became more hard to get for PvPers and PvEers and the amounts needed per run have increased lately.

The problem is not about who runs and who doesn't VSHM but that this consumable became popular when it was easy to get and now you need to invest 5 times the time you need to replenish the same amount you used in a dungeon.

When crafting nocs were killed it hurts many players who used to do their daily basis activities in a set time lenght, those who don't use them are not affected at all (me included) but not becuase I don't use them I won't deny the need from other players. However some players has twisted this thread from "Nocterium Infusion Supply" to "I don't want to waste any penny or time doing other content aside from VSHM and that dungeon need to refund me what I used to do it".
View post on Tera forums#184 Fleett06/20/2017, 07:39 PM
@ElinUsagi
My point is he doesn't use them at all, so he just has them for selling I would assume.
And right now we are very short on nocts, so the prices go up and he makes a lot of gold.

Basically he doesn't want a way to get more nocts, because it will increase the amount and in turn decrease the price for noct, so he'll lose out on possible gold.
View post on Tera forums#185 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 07:53 PM
Haggard86 wrote: »

Every single player gets that, and they gave 4 codes with each giving reward points to each player. I do care for myself, that is true, but when I also looked at my empty friend list which were all hard core players, makes me wonder why all the events, the things they gave out, couldn't keep them around, then I understand the thing, that actually handing things out, things that effect game plays and things that clear the line between hard core players that play the game to get what they need or ask to get what they need made them leave the game.

If Tera is not expanding as much as we want too, it does not just go to EME, BHS, goes to community. And with what we are seeing right now, clearly less players get interested to join and share a game with the community that can't understand, each argument has two sides, one agree, one disagrees, so the middle ground to be found.

I do care for community, I proved it many times on CH and here, and yet I really want to see an effective side of all threads that asks for more and how they helped. Never felt servers so empty when gear patches hit Tera, So, no you people don't care for community, you are showing it in every posts.
View post on Tera forums#186 Noctiv06/20/2017, 07:54 PM
In the past, there was a way to work for noctenium through alliance. It may have been pretty mindless farming, but you could get a decent amount in a short time period, and there was a consistent way to get it. With the removal of alliance, there was no alternative in place. (For those who say Pit of Petrax, 4 runs isn't even enough to cover healer costs in a set of vshm, let alone a dps.)
People are asking for a viable alternative.
Considering there are no tradeable loot drops from vshm, noctenium boxes seems fair in the least. Or idk, buff Pit of Petrax drops.
View post on Tera forums#187 LesbianVi06/20/2017, 07:57 PM
Fleett wrote: »
@ElinUsagi
My point is he doesn't use them at all, so he just has them for selling I would assume.
And right now we are very short on nocts, so the prices go up and he makes a lot of gold.

Basically he doesn't want a way to get more nocts, because it will increase the amount and in turn decrease the price for noct, so he'll lose out on possible gold.

Did you read what I said? Did you read what Halrath said? All assumptions from you people and it is really showing the nature of these kind of threads. You just demand, anyone gets in your way, gets to be attacked.
View post on Tera forums#188 Fleett06/20/2017, 07:58 PM
@LesbianVi
Unlike you we're not asking for "handouts" we just want a viable way to get a good amount of nocts.
I feel like this thread has reached the end of its usefulness. There's nothing wrong with wanting alternate ways to acquire things. Let's move on and let this discussion end.
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