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View post on Tera forums#3 Warr01/09/2017, 02:23 PM
I'm having a bored moment at work, so I'll throw in my suggestions:

1) Cool as it is, change the current elite mount to one with flight.
Seriously, once you have a flying mount you almost never want to use a ground mount again.

2) Give additional rewards for having elite over time.
Do something similar to FFXIV, in that once you hit certain milestones you get special items and bonuses. For example, having it for three months gets you a free character slot, 5 months a unique costume, 8 months bonus EMP, and so on.

3) Overhaul the daily rewards.
They're part of the service and decent as is, but they're also extremely dull. The feedstock bonus should be updated to include 11, and there should also be rare special items that can be jackpots, like a permanant fire halo or mount.

View post on Tera forums#4 voidy01/09/2017, 02:29 PM
With the elite canes/braveries, I'd really like it if they both lasted an hour since they each have hour long cooldowns.
View post on Tera forums#5 Dhrizzit01/09/2017, 04:03 PM
wanna elite great again?

change the skin of the bar for a wall skin
View post on Tera forums#6 JKPEDGXMA501/09/2017, 04:45 PM
Here's how to make elite great again:
STOP buying them and tell them with your wallets that it sucks.

FYI, I only buy elite scrolls using in-game gold so I shouldn't be complaining. LOL
View post on Tera forums#7 Meningitis01/09/2017, 05:25 PM
JKPEDGXMA5 wrote: »
Here's how to make elite great again:
STOP buying them and tell them with your wallets that it sucks.

FYI, I only buy elite scrolls using in-game gold so I shouldn't be complaining. LOL

Buying elite with in game gold still reinforces people buying it with real money since it's selling, encouraging them to buy more.

But since this thread is here and I have some ideas, here's my two cents:

1: Pretty much everything Warr said in their post. Especially the flying mount bit and some of the rewards over time. I know elite players get a bundle of credits every time they renew but it feels lackluster.

2: It's been a while since I've had elite, so I don't remember if they took the gold boost out. That was kinda worthless. Maybe replace it with reward points to claim every day? This wouldn't give you CREDITS to spend but it would reinforce logging in every day to claim the points, showing that you're serious about coming back every day. The issue with this is what happens when someone reaches tier 10...maybe give them credits daily if they're t10. That sounds hard to implement. Just letting ideas fly around.

Removed political reference from the post title.

Thanks for your ideas in this thread, guys! It will be good to see what people think as we discuss different ways to improve the Elite system.
View post on Tera forums#9 sanj6601/09/2017, 06:41 PM
a basic flying mount instead of the mp regen land mount and maybe something other than the gold boost and elite reset as lets be honest those are almost useless at this point in the game.
View post on Tera forums#10 thedaze01/09/2017, 06:55 PM
Warr wrote: »
I'm having a bored moment at work, so I'll throw in my suggestions:

1) Cool as it is, change the current elite mount to one with flight.
Seriously, once you have a flying mount you almost never want to use a ground mount again.

2) Give additional rewards for having elite over time.
Do something similar to FFXIV, in that once you hit certain milestones you get special items and bonuses. For example, having it for three months gets you a free character slot, 5 months a unique costume, 8 months bonus EMP, and so on.

3) Overhaul the daily rewards.
They're part of the service and decent as is, but they're also extremely dull. The feedstock bonus should be updated to include 11, and there should also be rare special items that can be jackpots, like a permanant fire halo or mount.

1. I like the flying mount idea, however it shouldn't be anything too nice otw people who buy boxes and proc mounts will rage, although this change alone might encourage more people to get elite.

2. not bad, but they kind of already did that when they introduced loyalties, you are saying add a continued monthly reward bonus. (has merit)

3. I like the t11 fs idea, dear god please no more fire halo's for the love of god I never want another one of those for the rest of my tera life, you can't discard them for some reason so you end up with dozens that you have to look at forever. Mount good, Halo very very bad, unless maybe blue one, not that fire one please.
View post on Tera forums#11 kubitoid01/09/2017, 07:02 PM
add 7-day rng costume to elite gift box with 0.02% chance to get it and make elite sub 7.99 usd per month
View post on Tera forums#12 Pamcake01/09/2017, 07:12 PM
I have like hundreds of reset scroll, because I physically unable to run that many dungeons. It's very useless. Gold boost... Idk, what purpose it is for endgame player or player who's leveling. I haven't seen a difference.

I would like to have even a basic flying mount. Especially now when I think all zones are enable flight.

The feedstock bonus should be updated to include 11 as @Warr said.

I would like to have more Journal entries not just 5.

I think long time subscribes needs some rewards. I think that would make people be interested in spending money.

Having jackpot an item would be better, because having 500 Tier whatever, can be easily obtained anyway.
View post on Tera forums#13 kubitoid01/09/2017, 08:29 PM
Pamcake wrote: »
I think long time subscribes needs some rewards. I think that would make people be interested in spending money.
long time supporters have their piece of cake called tera reward system already
View post on Tera forums#14 Warr01/09/2017, 08:49 PM
thedaze wrote: »
Mount good, Halo very very bad, unless maybe blue one, not that fire one please.

lol... yeah I guess I could see that on the halo, I used to have a ton of them myself. My reasoning on including it in my post is I've used most of mine up on alts and whatnot but none were permanent items.

With that said though, I'd love to see color variations of them too, and that would probably make a great milestone reward. (Maybe a white fire halo? Yes please!)
View post on Tera forums#15 Pixelator01/10/2017, 12:13 AM
How about instead of the consumable bundle (Reset scroll, craft cure, canephora, bravery), of which two are pretty much useless, we get unlimited (no cooldown) usage of Bravery potion? Kind of like the Everful Nostrum, but applies Bravery. It'll be a huge convenience boon, as Bravery potions are common enough.
View post on Tera forums#16 Ginjitsu01/10/2017, 12:44 AM
I made a thread about Elite in December...

https://forums.enmasse.com/tera/discussion/9382/decreasing-value-of-elite-status
Spacecats wrote: »
Removed political reference from the post title.

Thanks for your ideas in this thread, guys! It will be good to see what people think as we discuss different ways to improve the Elite system.

Only way to get a response is by breaking forum rules ¬.¬?

improvement? stop paying for elite then EME knows their weaknesses
View post on Tera forums#18 counterpoint01/10/2017, 01:34 AM
improvement? stop paying for elite then EME knows their weaknesses

I honestly don't think it's fundamentally weak. Could it be better? Yes, absolutely. I do think they should have a flying mount, for instance, and some of the various boxes need to be revamped. I've also said before they need much more frequent (and deeper) Elite discounts. But what makes Elite valuable is the lack of broker fees; controlling the market means you can get basically whatever else you need. The fact that everything else amounts to convenience items you can otherwise get in-game is part of gives it some sense of balance.

So yes, sure, people who don't see the benefit of Elite should not buy it (neither with money nor with gold), but I think the problem with Elite is really that its true value is not an easy sell to all different kinds of "play styles" -- namely, to people who don't play the broker.
View post on Tera forums#19 TheDarkWan01/10/2017, 06:36 AM
I Have to agree with previous post that the elite mount should be a flying mount
View post on Tera forums#20 TheDarkWan01/10/2017, 06:47 AM
I also would like to change the dungeon entry limit. The idea that elite offers gamers more dungeon entries means they can play the game more witch is P2W route. I recommend removing the entry limitation from the game as a whole, allow players to play the game as much as they want. Instead have elite gold and vanguard credits doubled from dungeons. I have an idea about the island of dawn too, it should be returned to if formal beauty and all the monsters moved to velika unrest and once the velika unrest starts the monsters disappear and gvg starts there and once it's done the monsters come back. It will be like the old alliance days.
Ginjitsu wrote: »
Only way to get a response is by breaking forum rules ¬.¬?
As you're long enough in the forums you will know that every single [beep] uses excessively atspacecats and so on because everybody thinks his question is super important ("when do we get pole dancer?").
To have everybodies question answered here on the forums, you'd need more than 3 full time forum-CMs I guess, given that they perhaps would need to work shift, too. That's financially not worth it.

However, reading something and replying to something are two different things. So you can be sure that more things are read than being replied to as wrintig a replay takes much longer than read-scanning over a topic.
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As for elite, EME did rework Elite a lot of times. They listened to the community and once it went into chaos. Those who are long enough around should remember the monthly free cash shop cosmetic (free pirate costumes, free Ex-TRM, etc. -> "I cant sell my costume for much gold!") that went into the next chaos with the RNG gems bag. EME surely learned from this and will be very cautious what they put into Elite. The past has shown that putting undervalued things in it doesn't hurt as much as putting valuable things into it. Yes, that's sad that jealousy prevents us from having nice things.

Perhaps you even remember when Elite got the permanent triple charm and potion into the buff bar. People were screaming "P2W" all over the forums and acting like Elite got too much benefits at all.

I'd welcome to see a flying mount in the Elite bar, but still people will cry that this is "P2W". I can understand why EME is hesitant with Elite.
View post on Tera forums#22 aeee9801/10/2017, 09:24 AM
Ginjitsu wrote: »
Only way to get a response is by breaking forum rules ¬.¬?
As you're long enough in the forums you will know that every single [beep] uses excessively atspacecats and so on because everybody thinks his question is super important ("when do we get pole dancer?").
To have everybodies question answered here on the forums, you'd need more than 3 full time forum-CMs I guess, given that they perhaps would need to work shift, too. That's financially not worth it.

However, reading something and replying to something are two different things. So you can be sure that more things are read than being replied to as wrintig a replay takes much longer than read-scanning over a topic.
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As for elite, EME did rework Elite a lot of times. They listened to the community and once it went into chaos. Those who are long enough around should remember the monthly free cash shop cosmetic (free pirate costumes, free Ex-TRM, etc. -> "I cant sell my costume for much gold!") that went into the next chaos with the RNG gems bag. EME surely learned from this and will be very cautious what they put into Elite. The past has shown that putting undervalued things in it doesn't hurt as much as putting valuable things into it. Yes, that's sad that jealousy prevents us from having nice things.

Perhaps you even remember when Elite got the permanent triple charm and potion into the buff bar. People were screaming "P2W" all over the forums and acting like Elite got too much benefits at all.

I'd welcome to see a flying mount in the Elite bar, but still people will cry that this is "P2W". I can understand why EME is hesitant with Elite.

I can see why people are saying the triple charm and free onslaughts are bad. If there is an entire community farming alchemy just to earn money. (They really don't earn as much as normal), they lost a large portion of their revenue. Charms were cheap so they didn't really mind, but the pot, lol it dropped the prices of the scrolls.

Flying mount is seriously not p2w. If anyone actually dare say that is p2w I really don't know what to say. I can completely understand if they put a dragon in there, but come on its just a regular flying mount.
View post on Tera forums#23 ElinUsagi01/10/2017, 10:29 AM
kubitoid wrote: »
Pamcake wrote: »
I think long time subscribes needs some rewards. I think that would make people be interested in spending money.
long time supporters have their piece of cake called tera reward system already

People who plays get more Reward points that people who spend money.

You can spend 100 dls and get 12,000 rewards points, that can be obtained in less than a week for players who are on-line for 8 hours per week.

The reward system actually doesn't reward enought the people that spend money in this game.
View post on Tera forums#24 Yamazuki01/10/2017, 11:01 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
kubitoid wrote: »
Pamcake wrote: »
I think long time subscribes needs some rewards. I think that would make people be interested in spending money.
long time supporters have their piece of cake called tera reward system already

People who plays get more Reward points that people who spend money.

You can spend 100 dls and get 12,000 rewards points, that can be obtained in less than a week for players who are on-line for 8 hours per week.

The reward system actually doesn't reward enought the people that spend money in this game.

That isn't even close true. You can only earn a certain amount per character, and the only relevant content rewarding points is IOD Vanguards. Although, the time it takes to do IOD for an average person you could have earned 200$ or even more working a job. Also, keep in mind spending gives you points and credits. A free user gains no credits compared to one who spends, especially considering the daily amount for going online, or doing the instance, is based strictly on tiers with all the higher tiers being heavy spenders.
View post on Tera forums#25 ElinUsagi01/10/2017, 11:06 AM
Yamazuki wrote: »
ElinUsagi wrote: »
kubitoid wrote: »
Pamcake wrote: »
I think long time subscribes needs some rewards. I think that would make people be interested in spending money.
long time supporters have their piece of cake called tera reward system already

People who plays get more Reward points that people who spend money.

You can spend 100 dls and get 12,000 rewards points, that can be obtained in less than a week for players who are on-line for 8 hours per week.

The reward system actually doesn't reward enought the people that spend money in this game.

That isn't even close true. You can only earn a certain amount per character, and the only relevant content rewarding points is IOD Vanguards. Although, the time it takes to do IOD for an average person you could have earned 200$ or even more working a job. Also, keep in mind spending gives you points and credits. A free user gains no credits compared to one who spends, especially considering the daily amount for going online, or doing the instance, is based strictly on tiers with all the higher tiers being heavy spenders.

Did I said that I spend more than 500 dls when rewards systems were implemented?

I also was looking at the reward points I earned playing the game and i got 10k reward points on 1 weekend so you are doing something wrong with your time playing Tera.
ElinUsagi wrote: »
The reward system actually doesn't reward enought the people that spend money in this game.
Uuh.. were you here when the Emporium was announced? People were crying for weeks how Tera is P2W. They put down a calculation how much money one must spend to get from Tier 0 to Tier 10 in an instant with $ only. And then they tossed that amount through the forums for weeks with the assumption that every single player must have T10. Argueing that T10 is only meant for a small fraction of the whole player base it went crying "P2W" again. So, there are enough people who think that the reward system is unfair towards F2P players.

View post on Tera forums#27 ElinUsagi01/10/2017, 11:30 AM
ElinUsagi wrote: »
The reward system actually doesn't reward enought the people that spend money in this game.
Uuh.. were you here when the Emporium was announced? People were crying for weeks how Tera is P2W. They put down a calculation how much money one must spend to get from Tier 0 to Tier 10 in an instant with $ only. And then they tossed that amount through the forums for weeks with the assumption that every single player must have T10. Argueing that T10 is only meant for a small fraction of the whole player base it went crying "P2W" again. So, there are enough people who think that the reward system is unfair towards F2P players.

P2W for what?

You get the best gear only with real money?

You get best consumables only with real money?

Dragons buffs are a joke and signature inners are the only thing i could say that are P2W.

But to get more than 10k reward points in one weekend makes feels stupid to the people who spent money in this game, because 8 hours doing daylies and BGs are worth 8 hours working to get 100 dls and have the same amount of reward points.

F2P people have more rewards than anyone else in this game so why are You against the people who keeps this game alive?
Heh, perhaps my wording is a bit misleading. Acutally, I'm one of those who constantly has Elite and also buying EMP.

Those people who are fast to cry P2W dont think that a company needs any income at all. They think that everything's free ("generation free"), from music over movies to games. It's not easy to explain someone that music needs to be sung, games needs to be developed and servers/employees be paid.

Nevertheless EME surprisingly still is a company that sticks to F2P. I said "surprisingly" as the asians more tend to P2W, which is quite unpopular in the western hemisphere. So EME has to do some highrope dancing and try to roll in the most money with cosmetics.

The dragon was quite a huge chaos at intrudtion. "LFG BoL dragon users only" was made feared all over the forums. Some months later, no one is asking for the dragon.
View post on Tera forums#29 Enzott01/10/2017, 03:22 PM
Spacecats wrote: »
Removed political reference from the post title.

Thanks for your ideas in this thread, guys! It will be good to see what people think as we discuss different ways to improve the Elite system.

Oh my bad, didn't look at it that way, Thanks for changing it.
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